WEBVTT - A Seismic Shift 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ookate F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.520 me your girl Danny al Moody, recording from the home 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:22.200 bunker of folks. I am recording this prior to the 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.880 President speaking addressing the nation, so you will have to 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.800 follow my social media for my reactions to that. But 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.400 I'm very happy to welcome back to the show. After 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.680 his travel abroad, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:44.199 has returned. He has spent some time in London, he 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.480 has spent some time back in Israel and comes back 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.680 to join us and give us some insight into how 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.840 people are feeling and talking about the US, talking about 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.800 gun control, talking about a lot of different issues that 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.560 overlap with what is happening here, folks. I'm getting ready 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.400 to take a couple of days off, I know, shocking, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.240 but leaving you with some really great interviews that I 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.600 have done over the past couple of days. I will 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.640 be back live, you know, as it's a podcast, but 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.600 you know what I mean, in a couple of days. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.759 But for all of the good things, you know, follow 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.600 me on social because I never truly take off. So 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.160 coming up next, our conversation with our in house doctor, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:40.720 doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, it has been weeks, weeks I think, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.120 since we have had our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.160 Metzel on with us. He left the country to go 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.760 and travel and talk about racial justice, to go talk 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:57.360 about gun reform, hop in from continent to continent. Jonathan, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.760 welcome back. Hey, it is so it is so great 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.160 to see you. Tell us about your trip and tell 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.640 us about where you were, what the vibe was, the conversation, etc. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.440 Well, it was a crazy time to be away. I mean, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.120 it's always crazy, So it was interesting. I mean, so 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.640 I'll give you the three main components of the trip 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:24.760 because they're also fascinating. So first I was in the 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.000 UK and I was in Durham, which is up up 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.720 in the north. It was freaking forty degrees in July, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.520 but beautiful. And then I was in London and I 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:41.360 gave a number of talks in museums about guns in 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.480 America and what the lessons are for the world about 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.960 guns and democracy, and of course that happened while that 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.600 assassination happened, a time to happen on Trump and so 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.680 I was giving all these talks and people it's just 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.280 interesting how people around the world like They're like, isn't 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:00.720 this a wake up call? And people are going to 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:01.239 come together? 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.480 And I was like, and did you laugh at them? 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.000 Well, I said, I said, actually, that is the premise 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.240 of my entire book is why doesn't that happen? Is 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.160 actually that these moments of polarizing crisis split people into 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.800 two totally different camps. They actually see two different realities. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.679 And so the talks were interesting, but they were you know, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.400 there's like a little NR chapter in London, and by 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.280 the time I finished my talk, everybody's like, we're going 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.160 to shut that thing down. We don't let that coming here, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.920 and so it just, you know, it was it was 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.960 interesting what you could see when you're talking about the 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.640 United States about guns. People's mouths just drop open. They're like, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.040 what is what is going on there? So that was 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.960 the UK part, and I have to say, go to London. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.320 It is really adorable right now. This is the city 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.880 was really nice. And then I flew to the Middle 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.000 East and so the second part of the trip I've 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.640 done Physicians for Human Rights Israel Palestine for I think 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:04.600 fifty teen years now, and it's an incredible coalition and 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.600 I had a number of just like honestly life changing experiences, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.200 even though I am in that region all the time 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.479 that it's just you can't really tell from here how 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.400 complicated and nuanced and intermixed things are. I started in Beersheva, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.279 in this kind of Southernish part of Israel, but I 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.440 spoke to a group of Jewish and Bedouin Arab doctors 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.920 who were part of this coalition for Social Justice, and 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.200 I said, what do you guys want me to talk about? 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.040 And they were really interested in how can we learn 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.800 about structural racism and address it? Which is just crazy 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.240 that there's like a war going on the whole world 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.240 is it's such an intense time. But they were really 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:52.000 concerned about social justice and health equity. So just incredible 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.599 testimonials about you know, really it's not even part of 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:56.960 the story here, but what does it mean to be 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.520 Bedouin in Israel right now? What kind of clu operations 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.200 are happening, what kind of injustices are happening? And it 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.680 was really really honest, And there are a number of 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.720 places I toured and interviewed people and things like that. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.760 You know, there are companies that are half Jewish, half 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.360 Bedouin across that area, and so that part was just 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.719 incredibly powerful. That I was in the West Bank interviewing 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.159 people for a while, and then I was in Tel 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.320 Aviv as part of one of the huge anti Nittanya 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.400 Who protests, which was I'll send you the pictures and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.839 the views. It was just just the bravery of people. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.640 People were speaking out, people whose families are still hostages. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.760 And another thing we don't hear here very often is 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:49.480 that there are a number of Bedouin hostages also being 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.520 held at Arab hostages being held by Hamas, and so 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.160 their families spoke also, and it's just I don't know, 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.800 it's crazy to go from there to like Nittanya Who 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.479 speaking in Washington today, But I think, you know, it's 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.040 just interesting. I mean, part of my frustration always when 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.599 I do that work is there are such strong natural 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.640 alliances between many parts of the American left and the 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:20.000 broadly speaking Israeli left. I was on a panel on Sunday. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.960 The panel was about guns and gun violence because Israel's 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.479 having like an NRA deal kind of peop they're handing 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.320 out guns and so my panel was myself, someone who 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.720 was a conservative who was very pro gun, and then 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:38.039 two guns safety people, one of whom was Palestinian Israeli, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.880 and really took the state to task for colonialism and 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.240 apartheid and all these things. And so I don't know, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.800 it's interesting that there are these kind of conversations in depth, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.960 in nuance, in ways that have been happening for a 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.599 while there. But I don't know. It's just as you know, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.560 as I've said a million times here, my frustration is 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.520 that the American left and the Israeli left have much 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.800 more and then they realized, but not if the premise 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.520 is we have nothing to say to each other. And 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.200 so I don't know hopefully that we work backward from that. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.920 But it was really a powerful trip and it left me. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.080 I mean, there were some terrifying parts. So this is 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.200 the last thing I'll say, which is I was fast 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:22.480 asleep in my hotel and then a drone strike happened 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.920 five blocks for me in Tel Aviv. The Houti drone 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.600 strike from Yemen obliterated a building. And it was four am, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.480 and my entire bed shook and I fell out of bed, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.760 and I called the front desk of the hotel and 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.200 I said, you got to fix this air conditioner, man, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.160 This thing is like so loud. I didn't know what 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.280 it was when it turned out it was a massive 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.800 building flattening wow thing. So I got a little taste 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.640 of everything on this trip. And I'm sorry to ramble on, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.480 but it was just it was so powerful to see 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:55.400 what was happening. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.760 You go to the Middle East fairly frequently, and war 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.640 has been going on and I don't like to call 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.960 it a war for the last you know, nine months. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:13.080 How are the sentiments obviously, like in this one strip 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.840 of area there is nothing standing, there are no buildings, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.920 there is no nothing but devastation, hunger, and then just 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.480 a short way away, like you're in a hotel, Like, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.840 what is the sentiment the energy that you experience while 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:27.280 you're there. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.960 People are traumatized, they're exhausted. I met many people who 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.400 were very directly affected by October seventh. I mean one 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.640 woman I spoke with, she was the cultural out of 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:45.040 Shaded Japan, and then she had six family members taken 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.240 hostage or killed on October seventh. So people, if the 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.200 hostage issue is very real for people, and the desire 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.840 for a two state solution and ending the occupation, and 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:01.120 what's happening in Gaza I think what akin to is, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.120 let's say Trump wins here and Project twenty twenty five 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.120 takes over. You're protesting against the kind of government monolith 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.560 that you feel doesn't represent you, even if that's your identity. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.920 And I think that's the case. People have been literally 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:21.719 protesting every week for over a year now, and this 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.920 protest was still massive, and so people are just trying 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.840 to figure out what they can do. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.960 What they can do inside of a system where the 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.920 government is non responsive to them. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.800 And that it's the similar thing to what could happen 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.040 here and what's happened in other places is fascists learned 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.480 how to hijack democracy basically, and so popular opinion and 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.239 the will of the people was the idea of democracy 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.839 as I understand it. But when you have people who 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.120 are holding on to coalitions or power and creating true 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:59.480 minority rule, which is true across a lot of the 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.640 Middle East, like these radical groups take over and it 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.080 happened in Israel. So I mean the hutis, you could argue, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.840 are not representative of all the people in Yemen. Iron 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.920 is a huge player all these things. So I don't know, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.280 it feels like something's coming to a head to me. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.080 But I would just say people are exhausted and demoralized. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.800 I think if there was a viable piece plan that 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:28.360 promised security, it would transform everything. And so hopefully that's 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.480 where we're heading. But you know, I don't know, I 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.760 don't want to. There's many, many, many, as I was saying, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.240 many different opinions in Israel. But I think ultimately people 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.920 are traumatized and exhausted and looking for some kind of hope. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.280 Yeah, I'm so grateful that you are back safe. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.120 There was a moment. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.679 Yeah, I'm just I'm glad to see that you're back safe. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.960 I think that the work that you do Jonathan, obviously 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:00.160 inside of the States is incredibly impactful and necessary. And 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.640 we're very fortunate on wokay app that you share your 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.200 giant brain with us every week. Oh my got But 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.720 the work that you do abroad we don't get to see, right, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.440 So I love the fact that you can come back 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.880 here and kind of give us an overview of that work. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.559 So switching gears. As you had mentioned at the top, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:29.079 Netanyahu is on American soil right now, and Biden is 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.240 not going to see him. As a matter of fact, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.280 Biden has decided to pretty much not give a fuck 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.760 that he is speaking and is addressing the nation tonight 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.880 at eight o'clock. Kamala Harris, who you know is now 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.280 our Democratic nominee after I mean, I cannot believe that 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.240 it's only been a couple of days since Sunday when 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.200 this seismic shift happened. So first, let me ask you 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.679 about the seismic shift and your reaction to that, and 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.600 then the fact that the Vice President is not going 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.800 to be overseeing this session, she will meet with Netan 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.400 Yahoo in private and your reactions to that. But first, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:14.400 this seismic shift in our politics while you were still gone, I. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.839 Was following it, and I'm not trying to tease you 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:23.160 except maybe a little bit through your tweets at through 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.240 your instagrams, and I'm going to make like a like 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:36.560 an interactive art exhibit from your tweets. Yeah and so, yeah, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.720 and so it was awesome, man, because like two weeks ago, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.160 I think you were saying, like two weeks ago with 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.559 you were on fire. But I think you know, I 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.440 think for a lot of us, we just didn't believe 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.520 this kind of transformation should happen. I have to say 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.160 that what this means is TVD still. I mean, the 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.360 ship has not hit yet, but it's incredible, this kind 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.640 of energy that I think we were kind of looking 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.280 for in a week. So I just think that that 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:12.079 shift where change is terrifying. And there was a sad 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.880 story of Biden who had done many good things, some 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.360 not good things, and so that was hard. But I 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.800 just think that I do think that there was a 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.720 narrative of the people who are pushing out Biden are 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.000 the ones who have the least to lose, and I 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.400 have to say I don't think that was the case 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.920 in retrospect. I think it was a really brave decision. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.120 I think, you know, I just think that we had 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.040 we had to change the channel. We were going to 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:40.679 get our ask kicked, and I feel like now we 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.920 have a fighting chance. You know, a lot of things 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.760 are going to happen, and the gates of wrath have 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.280 not happened. But I yet, but I would say that 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.480 in a way, this is I think for me, I 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.720 just agree that we're in a much stronger position now 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.200 than we were a week ago. And and so for me, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.679 there are a lot of questions about how she runs 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.400 the campaign, about all the decisions she makes about how 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:09.240 they respond to the Montel Williams montage that's coming and 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.000 all these other things, and so but I think that 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.880 in a way, you're kind of feeling energy and optimism, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.960 which I think we weren't feeling a week ago. So 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.600 in general, I think this is great. I think I 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.480 wish it would have happened weeks earlier to even cement 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.800 it more. I'm curious to see what Biden says tonight, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.600 But in general, I'm inspired by other places. Right there 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.160 were other countries like France and England that were looking 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.320 into the real Abyss and then said, screw it, we're 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.560 gonna do something brave. And I didn't know we had 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.800 it in us, And now I think we did something brave, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.280 and so you know, let's keep it going. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.040 Yeah, I would say that one. It's hard for me 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.560 to kind of wrap my head around the fact that 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.520 we are just at the time of this recording, three 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.080 days removed from the announcement from the seismic shift, because 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:07.280 it feels like it happened months ago. Do you know 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.120 what I'm saying, Meaning that like so much has happened 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.920 in the last three days that it has been so 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.120 energizing and I'll say, you know, to the comment about 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:24.080 you know, my social media before before Sunday, I was happing, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.000 and everybody that listens to the show knows that, like 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.480 I had pretty much bottomed out. There was zero hope, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.080 there was zero faith, there was zero anything. And I 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.560 was in a very like depressed state, and you know, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.360 my friends and my family and folks are just like, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.240 we'll get through this, and I was just like, I 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.000 don't think that you understand what is like what is 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.160 in front of us, Like we're not going to get 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.440 through this like I was. It was really bad. I 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:57.360 didn't realize Jonathan, how powerful hope is. And I think 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:02.400 that because it is something that literally was the engine 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.080 of the Obama campaign, and that feels like it was 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.560 so many decades ago that when you and I would 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.640 have these conversations and we'd keep saying like, people need 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.360 to feel energized, people need to feel x Y and Z, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.360 I was just like, well, isn't fear energizing enough, right, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:25.560 and recognizing that it's not. It really is not that hopelessness, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:31.080 that anxiety, that fear was making people feel despondent, disconnected 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.040 and just none of this matters. And to see the 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.640 way that so many I mean, the organizing that I 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.720 am seeing happen, that I am being pulled into in 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:49.640 just three days is nothing short of extraordinary. And I 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.720 think that people are so in this in a way 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.760 that it took them a long time to get invested 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:02.040 in Obama. This is a completely different and energy shift, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.560 seismic shift. And because the stakes are so high that 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.960 you're seeing people organize in a way that they have 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.439 not organized before. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.639 I mean, I completely agree, and it's just shocking because 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.600 I don't know, four months ago, Kamala Harris was not 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.640 the perfect candidate. Right now, you know, she's no matter 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.560 what side of you're on, you could figure out something 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.280 you didn't agree with. And now, I think for the 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.240 most part, at least right now, people are realizing that 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.960 the fact that she is many things, including as interest, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.240 kind of lets us pitch a tent that is pretty broad. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.719 And so somehow the circumstances, you know, everything is timing, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.879 and the timing among other things could not have been better. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.480 And I'm really encouraged also that her message so far. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.560 I just think that people were starting to tune out 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.919 about the We're ending democracy. It was way too abstract, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.480 and it's true for people who are already going to vote, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.040 who would have voted for Job of the Hut as 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.800 a Democrat or anybody. So I think the fact that 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.399 she's concretely saying here's what my vision of the future 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.160 looks like and being really material about it, I think 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.800 is a really good move because it's not just demonizing 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.240 Donald Trump. I mean, you're trying to also appeal to 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.120 some people who were thinking they were going to vote 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.440 for Donald Trump. And so I think the more of 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.320 that she can do, which is tied to what you're 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.000 saying about Hope, I think it's important. I'll tell you 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.560 and we can talk about this more. I wish I 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.480 could talk to people about her messaging about guns, you know, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.560 as one issue. I don't know what role it's going 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.040 to play, maybe not a huge one. But I do 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.360 think that the message of my work repeatedly is that 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.000 if you're trying to appeal to like centrist voters who 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.159 are gun owners, just saying I'm going to regulate guns 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.879 without talking about why people own guns. You know, the 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.160 people who believe in gun control already do so they're 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.320 already voting Democrat. But if you're trying to appeal to 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.600 like Purple state undecided voters. I just I wish I 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.760 could help with the messaging about guns, because that's the 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.840 one area where just coming in and saying we're going 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.679 to do background checks and rifle bands and all these 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.520 kind of things. I want all that stuff, but it 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.119 just it doesn't speak to the reality of kind of 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.840 acknowledging why people own guns, which I feel like is 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.400 such an easy message shift that she could also make. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.600 So we'll see about that. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.159 But we'll go call on the campaign. Jo Yi and. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:33.800 Ya. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:39.320 You know, I know some people. Let me ask you 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.639 this before I let you go to in. You know, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.400 probably it's possible at the end of this week. It's 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.240 possible at the beginning of next that we will know 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.719 who her vice presidential pick is. Do you have any 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.560 thoughts on the names that have been floating, like who 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.919 you would like to see or who you think it 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:57.280 would be. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.000 Well, I've been tweeting that a Harris Whitmer ticket would 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:03.359 be awesome. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.240 Oh okay for months. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.040 I've been treating that and nobody. Everybody told me I 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.200 was insane. It's not gonna happen. But I don't think. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.160 No, it's not, but I think. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.879 This conventional wisdom that has to be somebody boring. I 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.600 don't know, she just had a white guy as a 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.400 you know whatever, So I don't really totally buy that, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.280 you know, and and now's the time to like be bold, right, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.240 I mean, nobody thought this past week could happen in 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.960 a certain kind of way. So I just think the 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.760 idea that she needs a white guy to balance her out, 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.600 I just have a problem with that, with that narrative, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.639 And so I hope they make the right choice. I 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.359 hope they choose you know, the Mona Lisa. You feel 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.440 like she's looking at you no matter where in the 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.199 room you're you're standing, somebody who can like kind of 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.320 appeal broadly. I don't know. I have been a fan 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.879 of Shapiro. I think he's terrific on that, but I think, again, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.720 just to be clear, I want to pick whoever is 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.720 going to help us win the allection. So yeah, but 0:20:58.240 --> 0:20:59.400 what I was going to say is, I can see 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.959 how Shapiro would be a non starter for many younger people. 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.359 So I think it'll probably be Mark Kelly. That would 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.720 be my guest as to who they're gonna choose, because 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:14.320 he kind of doesn't piss anybody off. But I don't know, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.720 So I didn't answer who I want. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.159 I answered, well, you said Whitmer, Well, yeah, but. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.359 That's not gonna happen. But yeah, I bet it'll be 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:24.479 I bet it'll be Kelly. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.280 Yeah. The only reason I was interrupting in to say 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.359 Shapiro is that, like, I think there are certain people 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.040 that I think need to hold down their states. Yeah, 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.399 and so in looking at the larger picture and looking 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.200 at how we believe that this election is going to 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.000 be as contentious as twenty twenty, I think that there 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.800 are people that need to stay in their governor roles 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.639 to hold down their states, right, And so that's the 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.840 only reason and Andrew just text and said, you know, 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:57.639 Shapiro is not even popular in Pennsylvania, like wildly, wildly 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.639 in terms of like you know, oh, this would be 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.840 a progressive and this would be like a rocking type 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.840 of ticket. A lot of people have talked about Andy Basheer. 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.960 I like Andy Basheer a lot, but I also think 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.080 that you don't really get anything. You're not gonna necessarily 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.879 you're not turning the state of Kentucky, Like Kentucky's not 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.760 going to turn blue. So I like him as a 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:20.600 person though. 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.200 Yeah, I mean how many times have I said Andy 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.240 Basheer in our conversation. It's like a million, right, because 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.520 I think he's really effective, he's great. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.879 But again I think that he should hold down this 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:34.720 state of conducted state of Kentuck. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.040 Well, me, if people become the nominee, do they have 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.600 to give up their governorship or do they just put 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:40.719 it on hold? What do they do? 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.800 Honestly, I think that you just I would assume that 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.720 your deputy comes in so that you can campaign. But obviously, 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.800 if they were to be elected, then what's the possibility 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.360 that there's going to be another Democratic governor of Kentucky. 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.199 Probably not going to happen, and he was just reelected. 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.240 So to me, I think that the calculus is looking 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.600 like Mark Kelly, and I think that for a number 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.920 of reasons, I think that that could be a very 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:14.680 good move to combat the veteran astronaut husband of Gabby Giffords, 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.639