WEBVTT - Ep: 26 Slowdive

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the Loud and Quiet interview podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Midnight Chats. We're up to episode twenty six now, and

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<v Speaker 2>this week's interview is with early nineties Shuegas band Slowdie,

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<v Speaker 2>who returned this week with their first album in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two years. Their last record was pig Melian in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, which they managed to just about release before

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<v Speaker 2>calling it a day. Back then, the shoegay scene that

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<v Speaker 2>they were very much part of, along with bands My

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<v Speaker 2>Bloody Valentine and Ride Lush and Chapter House and all

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<v Speaker 2>of those early nineties bands were kind of pushed aside

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<v Speaker 2>by Britpop when Britpop went insane. Since then, all the

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<v Speaker 2>members of the band have continued to make music, but

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen they reformed for a reunion tour, which

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kicked off at Prima Era Sound with a

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<v Speaker 2>huge show, the biggest show the band will have ever

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<v Speaker 2>played until now. And they had always muted around that

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<v Speaker 2>time of like, maybe they're going to make some new music,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we are three years later, and indeed they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't fall out on that reunion tour. They got

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<v Speaker 2>on as well as they ever have done, and they

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<v Speaker 2>made a new record which they've chosen to call Slow

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<v Speaker 2>Dive and it's out this week on May or May

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth, if you're listening to this when it goes up.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an interview that I conducted with singer

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Goswell and drummer Simon Scott. They came past the

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<v Speaker 2>office about a month ago now. The day that this

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<v Speaker 2>was recorded, as you're here at the beginning of the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>was coincided with a show that they were playing, special gig,

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<v Speaker 2>a small show here in London at the Garage which

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<v Speaker 2>was being broadcast on live on Facebook, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>only announced it the day before, a very tiny venue

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<v Speaker 2>here in town, and it's the place where they played

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<v Speaker 2>the very last show, their last UK show in ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>So special thanks to them coming by on that day

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<v Speaker 2>because I think they were probably a little bit nervous

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<v Speaker 2>about this show because it was being broadcast and it

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<v Speaker 2>was quite a big thing, and that the album had

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<v Speaker 2>just been announced. But we had a great chat here

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<v Speaker 2>in our office about everything really, about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>how it all ended before, what it was actually like

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<v Speaker 2>being in a band in the early nineties and part

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<v Speaker 2>of that creation scene that was so kind of so

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<v Speaker 2>legendary for its partying and just madness and and other

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<v Speaker 2>things like what it's like to just suddenly release a

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<v Speaker 2>new record after twenty two years. Obviously a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot has changed in the music industry and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>you're back being in a again with the people that

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<v Speaker 2>you were in a band with in nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you enjoy this episode of the podcast if

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<v Speaker 2>you if you're new to what we do, please check

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<v Speaker 2>out our previous twenty five episodes. Last week's Mac DeMarco

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<v Speaker 2>one proved pretty popular. I think that might be our

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<v Speaker 2>most listened to one now, so yeah, check that out,

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<v Speaker 2>a comment, all of that kind of stuff that you're

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<v Speaker 2>meant to do online these days. And in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back in two more weeks with episode twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but for now, his number twenty six with Rachel Goswell

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<v Speaker 2>and Simon Scott from Slow Dive.

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<v Speaker 3>We all went to bed qu early last night. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought that was quite funny.

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<v Speaker 4>It was quite a civilized night.

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<v Speaker 2>What time did you sleep last night? What time did

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<v Speaker 2>you get to bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, it's probably two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Last the night before was like four, which was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of felt like, yeah, we're entering into that twilight world

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<v Speaker 5>of being on tour, where like one o'clock in the afternoons,

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<v Speaker 5>like six o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>How dare you woke me up?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah, so you set so you woke up

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<v Speaker 2>this morning? This morning you woke up on a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bus behind the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>On the garage at But was it by the shell

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<v Speaker 2>garage on Holloway Road?

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're down side straight down side by the venue.

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<v Speaker 5>Aren't sort of the road on the road behind the garage,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the venue by a little part. It was

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<v Speaker 5>quite sweet actually, a bit of cherry bossom. It's nice

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<v Speaker 5>and quiet, nice place to wake up. Yeah, yeah, right

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<v Speaker 5>by up the street for a nice little coffee and

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<v Speaker 5>a class or whatever it takes your fancy it one

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<v Speaker 5>o'clock in the morning or in the afternoon, which is new.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever get used to the bus life sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>on a bus?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I can't.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't really sleep very well on them at all.

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<v Speaker 6>I used to twenty years ago, probably because I was

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<v Speaker 6>very inebriated and I just passed out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can't sleep on them. Now. I struggle when

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<v Speaker 3>I go on tour.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's it's the movement of the bus that stops

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<v Speaker 6>me from sleeping.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't generally sleep until it stops, right, which can

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<v Speaker 3>be really unfortunate if you've got an eight hour drive

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<v Speaker 3>after a gig.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we have to look after Rachel on tour. Bless her,

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<v Speaker 5>she's the only one out of.

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<v Speaker 4>Nights sleep. We've all got children.

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<v Speaker 5>So actually, to get on a tour bus, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>have a little little kind of nightcap and go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 5>You get a great night sleep. Apart from Rachel, she's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 5>You've got to sing and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't sleep well at home, or I don't sleep well

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<v Speaker 3>on buses either.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just on stage while she's singing.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as I can get through that moments.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so other than the sleep patterns and back on

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<v Speaker 2>their oad. How does it? How does it feel to

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<v Speaker 2>be back on on slow dive duty after twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>odd years?

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<v Speaker 4>It feels good, it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it feel that it was that long ago? It does?

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like a lifetime?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I think it does.

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<v Speaker 5>It does a long time ago. Yeah, everything's changed. We've changed.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole music industry has changed massively. Yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the songs are still there and the songs still sound fresh.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's the kind of really crazy thing. And obviously

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<v Speaker 5>we never expected people, you know, twenty years from you know,

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety three for or whatever to kind of be even.

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<v Speaker 4>More into it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, most bands they released a few records and

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<v Speaker 5>they fade away and you know, they just live in

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<v Speaker 5>aurocal collection.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was different for us. So that's really.

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<v Speaker 5>Amazing, you know, and it's super super exciting to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to get together and have those same creative sparks

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<v Speaker 5>flowing writing new trails.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's fantastic, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're lucky. I think the fact that you're still

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping on a bus that's actually quite old school. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one of that. That's one thing that in this whole

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of you promoting another album you probably did last

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<v Speaker 2>time that most a lot of bands, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>have many bands get buses now these days? We do.

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<v Speaker 6>It depends logistically where you've got to go, because it's

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<v Speaker 6>kind of the lesser.

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<v Speaker 3>Of two evils.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, if.

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<v Speaker 6>You do festivals generally you tend to fly in and

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<v Speaker 6>out and just take guitars and bare minimum ped awards,

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<v Speaker 6>which is just a logistical thing that actually works and

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<v Speaker 6>actually what makes more financial sense.

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<v Speaker 5>It does well, there's an element of it where we're

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<v Speaker 5>going on. So we haven't played for eight months and

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<v Speaker 5>actually for us all to get sort of sit around

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<v Speaker 5>the table in the in the lounge.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know, I prefer a hotel in personally.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can be one.

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<v Speaker 5>But the rest of us, like you know, and with

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<v Speaker 5>our crew as well, we've got the same crew we

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<v Speaker 5>had back in the early nineties, so they went off

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<v Speaker 5>and spiritualized and well we've got a few new people,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, one off and did the kill and spiritualized

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff. But they've come back to Slow Dive. So

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<v Speaker 5>we kind of have that. We've kind of got a

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<v Speaker 5>family around us, which is really great. And so actually

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<v Speaker 5>you know, to get your bag and throw it on

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<v Speaker 5>the bus and sit and chat and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>really sociable and that's part of being in a band.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, even though we're now well in our

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<v Speaker 5>mid forties, that that's still a very kind of essential

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<v Speaker 5>part of the group. And I guess, you know, because

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<v Speaker 5>we're all really good friends and that helps in music

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<v Speaker 5>and the vibe. Let's go on stage and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you kind of tighten up and you have that kind

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<v Speaker 5>of rolling tour relationship with one another, and it's a

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<v Speaker 5>really nice thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But we do that when we're when we're.

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<v Speaker 5>In hotels, we all kind of go, right, we'll meet

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<v Speaker 5>down in the bar in five minutes, or go and

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<v Speaker 5>have dinner together. And you know, so it's even though

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<v Speaker 5>we take it very seriously and we are a professional band,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera, we're still a bunch of you know, dibucks

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<v Speaker 5>having a here and a chat and talking nonsense with

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<v Speaker 5>one another and having a laugh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about things like obviously in nineteen ninety four whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no social media. How's that going.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, online presence they call it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's great.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I think, oh God, on multiple levels. The

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<v Speaker 6>Internet is an amazing invention, isn't it. I think it's

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's a good thing for bands personally. It's

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<v Speaker 6>a great way to be able.

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<v Speaker 4>To connect.

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<v Speaker 6>To connect with people and you know, and just listen

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<v Speaker 6>to music and know what's going on in the world

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, like everything, so instance, sometimes I kind

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<v Speaker 6>of would like to turn everything off and just sit

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<v Speaker 6>in a room with nothing, just because you get you

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<v Speaker 6>get so bombarded, don't you get bombarded everywhere? You know,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's very hard to I think, turn your phone

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<v Speaker 6>off and just not read anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Or not check something.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think it's harder for young people having the

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<v Speaker 6>internet in some ways, growing up and having their sort

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<v Speaker 6>of there must be bigger pressure, don't you. Yeah, then

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<v Speaker 6>you were just in a school playground.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was bad enough when I was at

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<v Speaker 2>schools around the time that everyone started getting phones well okay,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fifteen sixteen pay as you go phones. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad enough texting a girl and then they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Not getting to reply.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine what it must be like. I know they've got

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<v Speaker 2>to check all of that. Oh, I've only got ten

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<v Speaker 2>likes on that photo, I know, yeah, across everything. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they've probably got you know, maybe five different digital platforms

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<v Speaker 2>to basically not get replies from girls.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel even more crap about yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we've we've all got we've got children, and

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<v Speaker 5>a few of us have got daughters, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>when you know, yeah, trying to kind of get confidence

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<v Speaker 5>and self validation as young teenagers and you know, as

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<v Speaker 5>she said, not get enough likes. What's wrong with me?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's kind of dangerous.

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<v Speaker 5>But as long as you know, as long as they're

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<v Speaker 5>made aware that not to take you know, snapchat or

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<v Speaker 5>whatever too seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think.

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<v Speaker 6>It's hard when you're that age because everything's bill and

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<v Speaker 6>end all when you're a teenager. Absolutely, I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 6>I knew everything when I was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, just being really self right to someone you

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<v Speaker 3>know you really know nothing about it, didn't have any doing,

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean with the internet.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I think one of the reasons why Slow Dive

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<v Speaker 5>are playing the sold that show tonight because the internet

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<v Speaker 5>is because yeah, and because you know, we released those

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<v Speaker 5>songs and they went off into you know, the ether

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<v Speaker 5>for a while, and they were put online and somebody

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned slow Dive, somebody typed in Slowdive, google it or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're on Spotify or we're on bleep or iTunes

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever and YouTube and just thought, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 5>really good music, you know, and that just spread.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's because of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've kind of got the Internet to be thankful

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<v Speaker 5>for for kind of reforming and getting sighted at oceans

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<v Speaker 5>and being able to play live shows today seventeen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So tonight you're playing at the garage. Yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>talking of social media. It's going on. It's live streaming

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, yes, but that's quite you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You were saying before we started that there's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crew and it's quite down there at the venue

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, there's lots of Stewart.

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<v Speaker 5>You're making me feel very nervous now butterflies ago seriously, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but becafully. Actually, you know, we give a damn about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We care.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean we've got feel right at the moment.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll give it, give it about well a few hours

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm sure i'll be a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll be fine. We'll leanrus, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and at least you're going to be there playing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if you if you notice, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you do a Facebook live video and you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it and it's in front of you, the computers in

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<v Speaker 2>front of you, it shows you in real time how

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<v Speaker 2>many people are watching at that moment. So at least

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to have that because you're you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>blissfully unaware of because it's never a good size. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's a million people, that's frightening as hell, and if

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<v Speaker 2>it's two, you think, well, why are you here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So it could start with a million people if

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<v Speaker 5>we were extremely lucky.

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<v Speaker 4>Halfway through there's yeah, there's one per level gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Loads of light cor mads, right, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big What I was going to say, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>so you were saying there's lots of people meaning around,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a big I didn't realize that when something

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<v Speaker 2>like that happens, when a show is streamed, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a big kind of production value to it because.

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<v Speaker 6>We haven't done it before apart from festivals. Obviously some

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<v Speaker 6>festivals live stream stuff. But then that's different, isn't it,

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<v Speaker 6>because it's kind of generally quite big plays with you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the boom camera and.

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<v Speaker 4>Cameras. It's a stage but at the garage, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>the time really small.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's going to be quite.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to be great because we only announced it yesterday,

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<v Speaker 5>didn't we We just we kind of announced it with

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<v Speaker 5>the album news in the video and stuff, and to

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<v Speaker 5>know it's sold out. You know, it's sold out the

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<v Speaker 5>day the tickets went on sale. It will be really vibey.

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<v Speaker 5>Once we get up there and plug in and start playing,

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<v Speaker 5>it will be like, okay, you know, we'll just forget

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<v Speaker 5>about that. We'll be playing to the audience and really

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<v Speaker 5>kind of starting to get into them exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's that's all you can do, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's all I'm going to do. Yeah, it's live

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<v Speaker 5>music as well. So if it's not, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>no perfect. It's live music.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it never is. No perfect, never is.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's the beauty you've been seeing a well. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean some bands are immaculate, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It were not bad, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always for improvements, like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a feel life of course.

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<v Speaker 3>That was of course. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But the garage where you played your last London show

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<v Speaker 2>as your fall lineup, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>In ninety four, I think ninety three, December nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we went on and did We did an American

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<v Speaker 6>tour after that in ninety four. So the last, the

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<v Speaker 6>final show completely was actually in Toronto, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 6>know that at the time. We didn't know that was

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<v Speaker 6>the final show. But the last u K show was

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<v Speaker 6>of the garage.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember much about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I do it was empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was really strange, said.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 5>That whole tour was when the press had kind of said,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Shoe Gaze is awful and it's all about

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<v Speaker 5>Nirvana and Jimmy Roquai and God. Yeah, and I remember

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<v Speaker 5>it's it was seven hundred capacity back then. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>bit smaller now because I've referbed it, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>much much nicer, with much better pa and I remember

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there. Yeah, they've done a good job inside.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's recently reopened. Yeah, pretty new refurb Ye.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, looks it looks squeaky clean, but it definitely doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>look like it used to. But yeah, that was it

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<v Speaker 5>was half empty. I think there was about two hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and fifty people there and people were just chatting at

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<v Speaker 5>the bar.

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<v Speaker 4>So it wasn't It wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 2>He's hoping for us slightly better kind of, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a good sign.

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<v Speaker 5>It's sold out in a day, so at least there'll

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<v Speaker 5>be a few more people in there.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be full, It'll be full.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you don't remember Rech you don't remember much

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<v Speaker 2>of the show.

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<v Speaker 6>No, but I don't remember a lot of the early

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<v Speaker 6>nineties anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because I think that means you were there.

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<v Speaker 4>I was there, I was there present.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's a big nostalgia at the moment for

0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the nineties. Everything about it was. It as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>crazy as people imagine, if from the point of view

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<v Speaker 2>of being in a band at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I guess the early we were really young.

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<v Speaker 4>So you were you giving.

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<v Speaker 3>Signed to Creation? Yeah, I think initially the first year

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<v Speaker 3>or two it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was Creation were rowdy.

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<v Speaker 5>They were, Yeah, they were That was party HQ and

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<v Speaker 5>it was the rave culture thing had blown up in

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<v Speaker 5>the eighties, so that kind of there were there were

0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.760
<v Speaker 5>a lot of drugs knocking knocking around, not necessarily in

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<v Speaker 5>the band, but that whole thing was quite hedonistic and

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<v Speaker 5>like trance was a big thing, and it was sort

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<v Speaker 5>of influencing bands like Primal, Scream, Screaming Delica, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there's lots of sort of indulgence and a Creation. They

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<v Speaker 5>had a dance label which was part of part of Creation,

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<v Speaker 5>and but we kind of stayed away from that, we

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<v Speaker 5>had our own thing going on. We didn't live in London,

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<v Speaker 5>so we were really young.

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<v Speaker 6>Just kind of pop up for meetings and there would

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<v Speaker 6>still be people there high on drugs that had been

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<v Speaker 6>up all night.

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<v Speaker 3>We kind of observed they're all a bit older than us.

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<v Speaker 4>We weren't straight by any Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>It, just a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 2>The Creation office around here here, Yeah, it was above.

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<v Speaker 5>It was above, Yeah, just at the top of the

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<v Speaker 5>road to left and it was a walk up there,

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<v Speaker 5>just by the railway bridge on the left hand side. Yeah,

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.440
<v Speaker 5>and you go up there and people will be knocking

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<v Speaker 5>white powder off the table.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it really was what people kind of imagine

0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Creation.

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<v Speaker 5>People lying up the stairs with their pupils dilated, shaking,

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.919
<v Speaker 5>staring at you like, you know, because they're hallucinating. It

0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 5>was like that, and we'd be walking in the cans

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<v Speaker 5>of Coca cola.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it must be quite especially like as eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year olds, that's probably quite. That must have been

0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 2>quite an overwhelming experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we were just really excited to be excited.

0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, excited.

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<v Speaker 6>Records were they were the best indie label at that time.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so many good bands and you'd go in, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>be Bobby Gillespie and Kevin Shields and you know, stopping

0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:14.520
<v Speaker 5>the current. Yeah, just fantastic, really great label, great heritage.

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Speaker 5>And Alan McGee was was is a really nice man.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Creation were your favorite, they were your favorite label.

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<v Speaker 2>They would label that you wanted to sign to, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then managed to sign to them. And at such

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<v Speaker 2>a young age, at like nineteen or whatever. Did it

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<v Speaker 2>feel at the time that everything was just balling into

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<v Speaker 2>place and it was all did it feel kind of easy?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it kind of?

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<v Speaker 6>Did?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it?

0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:38.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, we did that.

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<v Speaker 6>We got signed because we'd supported five thirteen Reading and

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<v Speaker 6>they they're publishing guy Steve Waters from me and I

0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.320
<v Speaker 6>was there to see them, who was a friend of Alan's,

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<v Speaker 6>and he caught arset and then and I had I remember,

0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 6>we got there to do our sound check and we

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 6>hadn't brought any demo tapes and so I had to

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.440
<v Speaker 6>run home lived in Ready at that point, and sort

0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 6>of ran home and got a demo tape just in

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 6>case to give to anyone. And then Steve was like,

0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, loved it, gave that to him, and then

0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.880
<v Speaker 6>McGee phoned up that's Neil and I were living together

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 6>that point. He phoned us like three days later and

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.119
<v Speaker 6>you said, I love I love the CP. You're going

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<v Speaker 6>to put it out. And it just kind of snowballed.

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 6>And for about a year or so, it really, it

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.440
<v Speaker 6>did really snowball.

0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 3>And you just kind of just riding on it.

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<v Speaker 6>Really won't mean we had really positive press and all

0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:34.720
<v Speaker 6>that sort of stuff for a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>He just kind of went with a flow.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I think by the time we got to

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<v Speaker 6>Demo and Sue Flarky, it was it was already going

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit more difficult at creation because I don't

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 6>think they weren't as interested. Alan was wasn't well, you know,

0:20:54.040 --> 0:21:00.320
<v Speaker 6>he was in rehab and different people came in and

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.320
<v Speaker 6>all the Sony staff.

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<v Speaker 3>And who were palmed off to s b K in America.

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<v Speaker 5>Who were pretty terrible, and the press that that were

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 5>terrible for us, and the press were on down or

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.440
<v Speaker 5>about us completely. And you had Richie from the mannisk

0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 5>of saying slow Diver worse than Hitler. You know, really

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.480
<v Speaker 5>he said that we hate slow Dive more than we

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.880
<v Speaker 5>hate Hitler. I mean, what a stupid thing to say,

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.000
<v Speaker 5>but we kind of laughed at that it was pathetic

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.360
<v Speaker 5>talk about your band, not about us.

0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 4>So there was this big kind of backlash.

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.199
<v Speaker 2>And was that that backlash was even though sometimes you

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 2>were kind of on the end of it, was it

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.680
<v Speaker 2>was it not more that kind of the shoegaze thing, And.

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 3>I think it was. Yeah. I mean like grungeur coming,

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 3>isn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>And then you had bit pop and what we were

0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:49.240
<v Speaker 6>doing wasn't also wasn't fashionable. But I remember going into

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.720
<v Speaker 6>Creation when Sue Flaky was coming out, and I remember

0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.479
<v Speaker 6>just feeling that pretty much most people work and they

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 6>just weren't interested, and I was, you know, I found

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.120
<v Speaker 6>that quite depressing. I still remember that, Yeah, are still

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:02.639
<v Speaker 6>kind of going in there to do press stuff. I'm

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 6>just thinking nobody cares.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 6>By pig Malion, credit to them for putting it out

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 6>because that record is so far removed from everything else

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 6>at that time that was that was coming out, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, kind of got I've got mixed memories. But

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's probably saying for any band on you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think all bands go through that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that your youth at that time kind

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<v Speaker 2>of protected you from that kind of criticism or I

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe it could have gone either way, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think when you're when you're really young and you go

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>through that kind of you know, someone in a band

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>saying your band worse than Hitler, you can when you're

0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a certain age, when you're young, I think you can

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.359
<v Speaker 2>either more easily laugh it off or more easily be

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>absolutely destroyed by a comment like that and kind of

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 2>bad press.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, yeah, we weren't destroyed by it. We kind

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 5>of laughed it often and just sort you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I think the I think the bad press did affect.

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<v Speaker 6>The eventually, did I think now for me, I don't

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 6>care what people write, and I haven't thought the last

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 6>twenty years.

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Just don't care.

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 6>From that experience, you know, O care less. As you

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 6>get older, I think I think you have to. You

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 6>prioritize your life more and you you kind of understand.

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 6>I think a lot more about life and what's important.

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, how everything's subjective to you know, someone's going to

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 5>love it, someone's going to hate it. You know, we

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.639
<v Speaker 5>don't all order the same dish off the menu. Do

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.399
<v Speaker 5>we we like different things? But I think we we

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 5>definitely kind of thought for a while, we'll just be

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.679
<v Speaker 5>over here and do our own thing and write our music.

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, eventually, just when everything seemed to be saying,

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's nobody turning up, the press hate it,

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 5>people have stopped sort of wearing a slowed eyed t shirts,

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.360
<v Speaker 5>and we're now very unfashionable.

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 6>It was like, hang on a minute, But we were

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 6>still really proud of the records that we've made at

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 6>the time. At the times, we were like, you know,

0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 6>we loved what we'd done, and that was I think

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.679
<v Speaker 6>that's the aim of any musician, is that you have

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 6>to love what you do and.

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 3>And be proud of what you put out. And we were,

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, and we stood by that. We still stand

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 3>by that.

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 6>Now clearly a lot of other people have cottoned onto it,

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 6>which is fantastic, and.

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.880
<v Speaker 2>That's probably why that's probably why you sold out tonight's

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 2>show in a day, and essentially why you're more popular now.

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Like the records stand up.

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Now, Yeah, I think we are definitely is the.

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Key to it. And you're playing are you playing bigger

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.919
<v Speaker 2>shows now than you would have played back there?

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 6>Not in this particular one, because these are all small

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 6>club shows and that was for the reason of making

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 6>them a bit different. But I mean yeah, I mean

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 6>we you know, the American Tour we did a couple

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 6>of years ago Terminal five in your three thousand capacity.

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 3>That's way more than we would have done. We always

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 3>did okay out there, but not nowhere near that.

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, so it's we are definitely playing bigger venues than

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 6>we would have done then, and I think we only did.

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 6>We did Slough Festival in the nineties, legendary nineteen ninety one,

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 6>thousand yards stare.

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I would love a Slough Festival t shirt. I bet

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 2>that's probably wasn't quite a bit of money, was there?

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 2>What was there? One? Was there just one day once?

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:23.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 3>It was only that one time, wasn't it. I don't

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 3>think they.

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 5>Repeated just that one time and someone lost an awful

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 5>lot of money.

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it was anyone at slow Fest.

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of people there. I was really drunk.

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 6>I can't remember, but by two o'clock I was really drunk,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.400
<v Speaker 6>and by the time we went on, I was.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Really really drunk.

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit of a theme here. Children.

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 3>Well that's what I don't remember much year from that time. Yeah,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 3>I was young and enjoying myself.

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You're having a good time.

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 3>I was having a great time.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 2>You're at slow Fest. What do you expect exactly?

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, we got there early in the morning. What

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 3>else is there to do. I don't know what time

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 3>we went on, but it was a few hours drinking.

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 5>It certainly wasn't Primavera, okay, which we played in fourteen.

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I don't think we did any other festival's

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 3>apart from Sloud.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 5>Well, we got off to Glastonbury and their manager said, yeah,

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 5>I would love to play Glastonbury, which we obviously would.

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 5>The thing was, he said, but Slide I want their

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 5>own stage.

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 4>And this is exactly.

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous thing ever, and.

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 5>They sort of went, Okay, we'll probably someone else. And

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.479
<v Speaker 5>we found out about that a few months later.

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:36.880
<v Speaker 4>We were.

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>A great demand.

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 6>So that is so mortified. Even now, I think that's

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 6>really more.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 4>Really embarrassing for us because it makes us.

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Whatever because they would have they would have thought that

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 2>would have been your demand.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 4>Do they think they are?

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Is Sting?

0:26:58.960 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Who does that?

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 4>Even Sting wouldn't ask for his own stage.

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 5>At maybe like a tent like him and truly could yoga?

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah tent yet stuff the Sting?

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Yet it makes me it so the new album was

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 2>announced yesterday. Yes, how was the Has the reaction been?

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 3>I think it's been good.

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 4>Great.

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 2>We've come back to the internet again, haven't we. Where

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 2>the reaction?

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's been good.

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 6>It's nice to actually have the news out there because

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 6>we've we've known the release dates since last year December January.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 5>Bish mixing in November and there was a schedule we

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 5>were we signed the Dead Oceans and stuff.

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 6>And it's been that kind of floating interim period where

0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 6>you're not allowed to say.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Things, but you really want to tell people but you can't.

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 6>Then you want people to hear the record, but I

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 6>can't or some can, you know, but it's quite strict.

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>So it's been funny. But I'm glad it's I'm glad

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>the news is out. So it's exciting.

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 5>It's nice that it's Yeah, in the same way, it's

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 5>been brilliant to do these two shows we did Monday

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 5>and Tuesday, Glasgow and Liverpool to play the new songs

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 5>for the first time ever live.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 5>It's like we want to get them out there, you know,

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 5>because we really care about the songs and obviously we

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't put out a new record. If we thought it

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 5>was pretty good or quite good. We believe in it

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 5>and we think it's brilliant. So it's really exciting for.

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>The Premiverse show that you mentioned. I was at that

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>show actually were you, And that was like the first

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>big one back, wasn't it. I think maybe you've done

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>like a couple of small huge Yeah.

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Twenty five thousand people the promoted told us came to

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 5>see us, which was unbelievable because as you were there,

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 5>you know about the rain Yeah, until about twenty minutes before, Yeah, I.

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Felt so sorry.

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 6>Cool, Yeah, well I felt Yeah, I felt really sorry

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 6>for oursel.

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 3>It's just really ship.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 4>That came in the rainbow, and.

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 6>It was I still look back on that and it

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 6>was still a very magical experience for me that I

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 6>just was amazing.

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we really we didn't really know what

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 3>to expect, and they were like, you know, you've been

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 3>off with this.

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe there'll be one hundred people there to see us,

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 5>something we genuinely saw.

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>And you probably thought, did you Maybe you also think

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd be honest because you're like one of the main stages.

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 4>We were really high.

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 5>We were like they've made a mistake, seriously going to

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 5>regret that.

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 6>But right, But the penny didn't really trot. I didn't

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 6>even drop it because we sound checked at nine o'clock

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 6>in the morning there, it didn't even drop. Then, my

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 6>penny didn't drop in my brain. Then it was only

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 6>when the backdrop went down just before we went on stage.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 6>And then you know, the audience were cheering, and then

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 6>I kind of poked my head out and went, oh

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 6>my god, non swearing that this is huge, and I felt,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 6>you know.

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 4>Quite emotional, teary. It was kind of strange.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 6>And then but then and also that was the first

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 6>experience of having the cameras and all, because that was

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 6>all films. We'd never had that before either. So it

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 6>was like a double whammy of there's a massive audience,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 6>it's a huge stage, and you've got cameras everywhere.

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>The sun was going down. You started on sunset and

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 2>it didn't That's the perfect.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Sense, absolutely, Yeah, of course.

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was just like this between some selfie taking,

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:41.239
<v Speaker 5>I was I'm glad you took photographs qundreds of them

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 5>and all those different kind of color.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 4>Changes in the sky.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was amazing at that point in time, obviously,

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>So that's twenty fourteen, and you'd got back together with

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>the intention of playing some shows that summer and kind

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>of seeing where you were at at the end of

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that and make some new music if it felt like

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you should do that when you first met, just to

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of get in a room and start perhapicing the

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>old music, and made that decision to like, let's do

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>some reunions just to do some shows with the oldster.

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Can you remember what was that that was like? And

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>had you all remained in contact and were you was there?

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Is everything cool in that situation?

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 6>I think being in contact pretty much with everyone apart

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 6>from Simon, But also I did my Harvey three with

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 6>Neil for ten years after that, and we kept in

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 6>touch when that finished as well, just occasionally, and he

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 6>asked me to do some singing with him Accessful Sharp

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 6>Pass in twenty thirteen, so I.

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Went and did that, and the idea.

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 6>Was floated then because Premium of everything had come up then,

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 6>and Nick and Christian came to that as well, and

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 6>because we said, you know, coming up, they came to

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 6>the show and then we got in contact with Simon,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.479
<v Speaker 6>Nick and Christian and I'd not been in touch with

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 6>massively and occasionally dip in and out of contact with

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 6>some simon. We'd lost contact over the years, hadn't we.

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we bumped into each other occasion.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, it wasn't like we all fell out or

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 5>anything like that. But you know, twenty years is a

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 5>long time and you go off and get married and

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 5>have kids and then get divorced and you know, all

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 5>that stuff happens.

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 6>But that first came into the rehearse the first time,

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 6>the first time we did with Slow Dive, and it

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 6>was just like.

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just felt really easy and very comfortable.

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 4>We went for lunch and had a beer and hung

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 4>out and it was just like that.

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 5>Twenty years went really quickly because it was exactly like

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 5>it was before, you know, yeah, but we were really better,

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 5>but much more quite exactly before, not exactly a.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Few things under the bridge, yeah yeah.

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>And how about at the end of so, at the

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>end of that kind of run of shows, that original

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>run from Premium Are onwards, that what was it? When

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>was that moment when you thought we should make we

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>should go and make some music.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 6>Now, well, we discussed it at the beginning, because we

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 6>didn't we did, I remember we did sit down and

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 6>discuss it right at the beginning, and we were a

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 6>bit like didn't want to come back. We didn't want

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 6>to come back just to be a nostalgia band and

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 6>just to play old songs. It was kind of like,

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 6>and see why, you know, why brands do it, you know,

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 6>and that's fine, but I think for all of us

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 6>it needed to be something a little bit more. But

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 6>of course we acted really see how we got on

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 6>that year as well, and things really just snowboard with

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 6>the amount of shows we ended up doing was way more,

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<v Speaker 6>I think than anyone could have anticipated. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>by the end of you I mean, it was a

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<v Speaker 6>great year. It was a great year, but it really

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 6>just just it was. It was a roller coat snowball,

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<v Speaker 6>didn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Because we really did one point like we've got Premavera

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<v Speaker 5>and like the warm up show and we're doing Premia

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 5>in Porto and maybe one other thing, and we were like,

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 5>there's not a lot of gigs coming in, there's not

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 5>a lot of excitement.

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Is anybody going to show up?

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 5>And then as soon as we did like Village Underground

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 5>and then Premifera, it was like there was a couple

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 5>more and then a couple more and then do you

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 5>want to go to Asia?

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 4>You should go to America. There's all these offers and

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 4>its good. Yeah. Great.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that at the end of that year, it

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 6>was kind of you know, we all took a couple

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 6>of months off, have a breather, you know, reconnect with

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 6>your home life, and and.

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 3>Then we started checking checking our Google calendar, like when

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 3>can we all get together to try and do some stuff.

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 6>So we just we had like little weekends here and

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 6>there and going into studios and just recording stuff to

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 6>see what.

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Comeing out of it. And it was quite a slow

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>process over twenty fifteen.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.720
<v Speaker 5>It took a a while for the songs to come together,

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 5>but then it kind of really flowed once we went

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 5>back to Courtyard where we did recorded the other albums.

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 5>Funnily enough, we had a great engineer that we worked

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 5>really kind of quickly and creatively with and that's how

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 5>the album came together.

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 4>So it was kind of last year, wasn't it.

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>I Mean I remember going in in July.

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 6>Last year and I bashed out about seven vocals in

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 6>two days. Because everything else was finished. It was kind

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 6>of was relying on everyone else doing music just coming and.

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Which is which is historically what I've always done.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 5>And Neil produced it, and I mean Neil's the core

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 5>songwriter and even though we've all co written other bits

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 5>on the album, he was in the driving scene produced it,

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 5>and yeah, it took him a little while to kind

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 5>of find the flavor, but once we got.

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<v Speaker 7>It, it was sweet. We had the record on yesterday.

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<v Speaker 7>We've heard it. You've heard it, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds to me more vocally a bit just a

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 2>bit clearer, a bit less cloudy.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 3>That word, yes, and.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a bit more up tempo as well, the first

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>two things that I kind of.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 4>Took from you.

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's definitely more up tempo there. They are definitely

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 6>more up tempo.

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 4>On their poppy album in a way, not all of it.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:27.240
<v Speaker 4>Fallen Ash is very.

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 3>Ambient spy in a slow dive way.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 4>In a slow diveway, yeah, more like soup Flerky than

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 4>pig Melian.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 3>But there are nods to Pygmalion.

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there's nods to the future.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 5>There's a track that I wrote with Neil called fall

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 5>and Ashes right at the end of the song, and

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 5>that's me. I use this signal process in software called

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 5>max MSP and Neil was struggling with this piano piece,

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 5>so I was just like looping him and in real time,

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 5>and then he kind of was like, I don't know

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 5>what to do, and I played him and he was like,

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 5>that's it exactly that, you know, and that is something

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 5>we kind of want to do more. You know, there's

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 5>so much great music technology we want to kind of

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 5>like kind of use those sort of more experimental sounds.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Perhaps in the future.

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I think new was very excited by that,

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 5>but it's a very sort of as you said, it's

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 5>a very sort of poppy kind of up or recording places.

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like all this time on and having

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>a really dedicated following and new followers obviously, but having

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 2>people who have kind of been waiting for more solid

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>dive music, especially since twenty and fourteen, now it's finally hit.

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 2>When you're making that your first record in twenty two years,

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 2>do you feel any kind of pressure to sound like

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>slow dive.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't that considered. Really. It wasn't like we need

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 4>to make a record that sounds like slow dive.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 6>I think there was a little there was a small

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 6>element of some things we did return that that's not quite.

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 3>I think there were small elements of keeping because we

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 3>were all.

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 6>Right, and we've all written in different bands, and stuff

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 6>I do is very different.

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Stuff you do is very different. Outside Neil stuff is

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 3>sing a song like acoustics, so quite a lot of different.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 6>Dynamics within the band. But I don't think there was

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't think there was a pressure to make it

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 6>a certain way.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 5>No, it wasn't like, let's make a record that sounds

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 5>like slow because side is like the five of us

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 5>and Neil and Rachel's vocals are very sort of distinguishable always.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean, there is a classic sound to the band

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 6>and that's that's the guitars, and there is definitely a

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 6>certain classic element to it. I think that we have

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 6>retained on this record to a certain extent.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 4>The rhythmically as well. Knicks, baslines and stuff are very important.

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.919
<v Speaker 3>I think drumming wise, it's quite different something exactly, which

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 3>is good.

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 4>It's good.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 6>It's good that it's not the same. It shouldn't be

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 6>the same. Every record should be different, and I think

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 6>that I think just for a days, Flaking Pigmarlin are

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 6>all quite different records. And I like to think that

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 6>this eponymous album is different again. I like to think,

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 6>you know, it's different again, and I'm really pleased with it.

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>When you made the first record, I read that you

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>told Ana McGee that you were ready to make a record,

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>but you did actually have any songs.

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 2>And then they so you've got fooked into.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Six week courtyard.

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, panic, loads of Chinese food and smokes, cigarettes

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 5>and went.

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Lots of weed. So I don't remember much of it.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 5>And our managers said, don't put your singles on it, like,

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 5>don't put.

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 2>A manager that demanded their own state it is.

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 4>It is no longer managing. But yeah, that was hard.

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 4>That was hard work.

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 3>That was it was Yeah, it was it was yeah.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you know we were we were nineteen, and

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 6>they just kind of, yeah, we've got a record.

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.320
<v Speaker 2>It's worth We had nothing?

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 4>Was it?

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Because you were worried that if you didn't, if they

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>would have wait around, and you just say no.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I think maybe we were a little bit scared.

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 5>I think it's a bit like your parents want to say, yeah,

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:23.320
<v Speaker 5>finished it finished.

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>It was exactly.

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 6>I think I think exactly that it was like yeah,

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 6>your dad, but quite a fiery, feisty off all dad going.

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Was it lucky where you worked with Brian? How was

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>that expensive?

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:50.399
<v Speaker 5>Well? Frustratingly for the four of us that didn't meet him.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he didn't.

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 5>He basically said, I just want like the songwriter, main

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.800
<v Speaker 5>songwriter to come on down. He plays guitar, right, and

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 5>intend to bring a guitar. I'm really busy. I think

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:56.760
<v Speaker 5>it was like three days.

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Come to my studio.

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 4>You've got like four hours. So they just recorded all

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 4>this stuff really sort of free form, no metronome, click track.

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 3>It's just I just told Neil just plug in him.

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 6>Plug He put a clock on the mixing desk as

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 6>well because he was timing stuff.

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 4>You've got to leave and pick my kids up sort

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 4>of thing. So he was.

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>And it kind of takes a bit of the mystica.

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 5>At that time, like Neil had no idea. He was

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 5>like the kind of godfather of ambient and then form

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 5>DG did music for airports and all that stuff, and

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, Neil basically came back with all these cassettes

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 5>because used to kind of put stuff in cassette, didn't you.

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 4>And we went into.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 5>Protocol in on just behind Holloway Road, and it was

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.439
<v Speaker 5>it was all a mess, but just yeah, just loads

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 5>of it.

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 4>Was just yeah, it was all quite quite New age

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 4>a lot.

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there was some beautiful ambient stuff and we

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.720
<v Speaker 5>found some loops and wrote sing.

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 6>I do remember that recording session, and I remember doing

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 6>the vocals on that one, and I remember you doing

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.320
<v Speaker 6>the drums on that one because I wrote.

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 3>That, so I do. I do remember all that.

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 6>I remember staying in a flat in a high rise

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 6>somewhere Swiss cottage. We had massive beds. Remember that separately obviously,

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, it was like.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 2>This weird guys called Brian.

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 4>Think it was the idea, wasn't it.

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:35.280
<v Speaker 5>I think he's we reckoned with Brian.

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 6>Didn't We We sent with our manager Faxes manager the

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 6>same big fans producing our album, and he sent a

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 6>fax back saying I don't want to produce it, but

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 6>but you know, like I'd be happy to write some

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:55.800
<v Speaker 6>stuff with you.

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 3>And then then it was Neil that went in and

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 3>then we yeah, I'll just say, got the stuff back

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 3>and then jigged them around and then sing and if

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 3>she comes.

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 6>Come out of those those sessions.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 5>There's a load of really good stuff actually that I've

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 5>still got on tape.

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 4>That I still listened to. There's some really beautiful stuff

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 4>we have to We're big fans. We've got these tapes

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 4>from those sessions. Can we use somebody you never know?

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we would have. Is a legendary well, yeah, clearly

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 3>is a massive legend.

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