1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast today. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I am excited because we have the US Secretary for 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: the Department of Education, Linda McMahon with US Madam Secretary, 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: thank you for joining me. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 3: Tudor, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this. 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, I am excited too. 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: I wanted you to know that we have people here 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: in the state of Michigan who are wondering exactly what 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: it means what you're doing. They have heard that the 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: Department of Ed is going to shut down, and they're 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: concerned what does that mean for my kids' education? And 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: that's why I thought you can explain this better than anybody, 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: that this is not something to be afraid of, but 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: there is a lot of fear mongering from Democrats. So 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: give us the lowdown on what that means. 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 4: Well, thanks Tudor for asking. And it's not an uncommon question. 17 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 4: But clearly the President believes, as do I, that the 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 4: best education is that it's one closest to the child. 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: And so. 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: His reference is let's give education back to the States. 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 4: What that means is let's get rid of the bureaucracy 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: that is in Washington. That does not mean get rid 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: of Title I funding that will come to the states. 24 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 4: It does not mean get rid of IDA funding, which 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 4: is for our handicapped or special needs children. 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: So that is not the. 27 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 4: Goal or the mission of getting rid of the bureaucracy 28 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: and education. 29 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: But it puts education more. 30 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: Squarely in the state's hands, working with parents, working with teachers, 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: working with local superintendents, and that's where it ought to be. 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: I think that's the confusion. 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: I think people don't understand that the Department of Ed 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: on your state level is really what is managing all 35 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: of the decisions statewide, like those decisions that come from 36 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: the federal level. The funding that comes from the federal 37 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: level is much smaller compared to the state level. 38 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: We are on a state level funding our own schools. 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: You fund about ninety percent and about ten percent comes 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: from the federal government. And that you know that funding 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: often comes with strengths attached. 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: So a lot of the states will say to. 43 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: Us, you know, we really love to get the funding, 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: but we would like to have the ability to spend 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: that money in the way that we see fit. Because 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: one superintendent might say, I'd like to take that money 47 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 4: and spend it in District X, because I know that 48 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 4: that's where that funding is needed. So at that point 49 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: there would be more flexibility to utilize the funding, you. 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: Know, for the states. And I think that's I think 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: that's a big goal. 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: If the Department of d is no longer there, where 53 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: does the funding come from? Does it go through a 54 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: different agency? And is the reason behind that that you 55 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: don't really need an entire four thousand person department to 56 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: decide where these funds go because you already have Treasury 57 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: and other departments that could easily decide where funds go. 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: Well, that's correct, and there are other agencies that I 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 4: think the entire programs could be managed through. But you know, 60 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 4: the Department of Education does not educate one child. We 61 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: don't decide on curriculum, we don't hire teachers, we don't 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: decide what books to buy. We really are a funding 63 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 4: channel and helping to develop policy. That is, you know, 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: if it's approved by Congress or you know, it's passed 65 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: through to the states. But that's the function of the 66 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 4: Department of Education and it really hopefully would be improved 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: at the state level because you would have eliminated the 68 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: bureaucracy of it. 69 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: And that's really the goal. 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: And when you talk about bureaucracy, I think some people 71 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: don't necessarily know what that means. I mean, there are 72 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people that are in Washington, these these 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: big agencies, they've become overbearing, they become hard to take 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: care of in and of themselves because the cost is 75 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: so great to have four thousand or forty six hundred 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: whatever it is at the Department of d or whatever 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: was when you took over at the Department of ED 78 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: that are really just making decisions that don't affect the 79 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: individual child. 80 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's correct. 81 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, when I did take over 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: as the secretary, we did have about forty one forty 83 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: two hundred people. We're down about half of that now 84 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: because we've gone through a restructuring process here as was 85 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: the goal and it is the goal across all of 86 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 4: government at this point too, look at where we might 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: cut expenses without you know, cutting services, and that every 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 4: agency in government has been involved in doing that. So 89 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: we're dealing right now with many fewer people. 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: Than we had when I first began. 91 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 4: But you know, the bureaucracy is if you've got people 92 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: sitting in Washington trying to make decisions about what's happening 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: in the state. 94 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: I'll give you a perfect example. 95 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 4: I was asked by one parent in a state or 96 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: a teacher, I don't remember which it was, relative to 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: special needs funding, and I said, well, let me ask 98 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: you something. 99 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: I said, who better to determine that? Would it be 100 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: at the. 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: State level or at the local level where the teacher 102 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 4: is working with that child with special needs and understands 103 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: what kind of programming how they should adjust through their 104 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: individual you know, learning program for that student. Or is 105 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: it someone sitting in Washington, DC that has absolutely no 106 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: connection with that child. So I think the answer is 107 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: absolutely obvious. So the bureaucracy in between the money that 108 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: has been appropriated in coming through Congress and the state 109 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 4: level of execution and employment of those dollars is I 110 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: think a better path if we don't have the bureaucracy 111 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 4: of the Department of Education in between. 112 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the fear that parents have as well, 113 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: if it's not there, then that money can't come to us. Anyway, 114 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: the money will still come, it's going to be decided 115 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: on the state level. Everybody has a state superintendent, you 116 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: have a state Department of Ed that this is one 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: of those states rights issues where we really want to 118 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: do it locally, and there should be nothing more local 119 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: than education, because your community is different than the community 120 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: next to you, and that's how the state decides what 121 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: each area needs for funding and what they need when 122 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: it comes to specialists and teachers and all of that 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: that should go to the state level. Now, there is 124 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: a big controversy right now over protecting women in sports. 125 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: We know that the president that's one of his top 126 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: issues is to protect women in sports. I know that 127 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: you obviously have a sports background. You are our very 128 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 2: top of mind for protecting women in sports. 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. 130 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: Like in Michigan, we have the MHSAA, the Michigan High 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: School Athletic Association, and they are saying they're not going 132 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: to comply with what the President has said. They oversee 133 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: Michigan sports. They're an association, but they are actually funded 134 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: by the school district. So how do you manage that situation. 135 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 4: Well, they're in the finance of the law because Title 136 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: nine was clearly established to protect women in sports and 137 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 4: to make sure that they were not discriminated against, and 138 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 4: so it's simply following the law at this point. 139 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: So they're breaking the law. 140 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 4: So if that case was referred to the Department of Justice, 141 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: there could be an investigation there, or there should there 142 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 4: could be some defunding mechanisms that put in place relative 143 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 4: to you know, the state or the districts which are 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: not complying. 145 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: I'd love to say that, I would think that there's 146 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: a chance on the state level that someone would do something. 147 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: But in this state, we have an Attorney general that 148 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't think would side with Trump on this. In fact, 149 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: she's come out and she's been pretty hostile. So that 150 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: is what I mean. That is the situation. And I 151 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: think for some conservatives, they say, we still need that 152 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: protection from Washington, d C. Because we don't have if 153 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: we are in a blue state or a purple state 154 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: that has blue leaders, we don't have that protection. 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I would say 199 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: it goes beyond activism. We're talking about harassment on these 200 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: college campuses that is being allowed. So can you explain 201 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: a little bit to us about the mindset behind freezing 202 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: those funds. 203 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 4: Well, it actually started with Columbia University, and I think 204 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: it was it was very evident when we saw last 205 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: year and then again just a few months ago, students 206 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: on campus that not only were just being harassed, I 207 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: mean locked in libraries, other students pounding on glass walls 208 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: saying death Israel, Death to USA faculty was attacked. I mean, 209 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 4: this was a safety issue. Not only was it, you know, 210 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: a civil rights issue, but it was a safety issue 211 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: as well. Not to be confused, it was definitely not 212 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 4: a First Amendment issue because the president and this administration 213 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 4: certainly does not disagree with anyone to have the right 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: to peaceful protests or differences of opinion or on campuses, 215 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: you know, having public and open debate. But when you 216 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 4: start impacting the safety and welfare of members of you know, 217 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: the campus community, that can't be tolerated. And so we 218 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: brought those issues forward to the President of Columbia and 219 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: our work continuing to work you know, with them. So 220 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: other universities now have come under that same review, a 221 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: Harvard being one, and so we'll continue to make sure 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: as the president promised during his campaign that he will 223 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 4: not tolerate discrimination of any kind on campus, but especially 224 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: you know, anti semitism, because it was just so flagrant. 225 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting the way that you present that, 226 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: because it's so important for people to understand because the 227 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: other side actually agrees with you, even though they're not 228 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: going to I just mentioned our radical attorney general, but 229 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: let me be very clear that a few months back, 230 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: when this was happening on the University of Michigan's campus, 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: she did arrest these people that were harassing students. 232 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: She arrested them, and she's coming down pretty hard on them. 233 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: There has been a lot of pushback from Democrats in 234 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: the state of Michigan, some Democrats, more of the progressive side, 235 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: saying this is ridiculous. She shouldn't have They were peacefully protesting. 236 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: That's the difference. They weren't peaceful, and that's what you're saying. 237 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: You have to be peaceful. 238 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: It does have to be peaceful. 239 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 4: And when you jeopardize, you know, the safety and welfare 240 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: of other students, that is. 241 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: An infringement on their civil rights. 242 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 4: And so we just we just absolutely cannot allow that. 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: And I think that college professors have to take very 244 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 4: I'm not professors, college presidents have to take pretty swift 245 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: action to make sure that those kinds of protests don't 246 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: get out of hand, because we you know, we have 247 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: seen that there can be more and more injuries if 248 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,239 Speaker 4: it's not dealt with right away. 249 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: And even preventing students from getting an education. You should 250 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: not be able to borrow students from going to their classes. 251 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: That should not the university should not be accepting that 252 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: there are students who are paying for an education that 253 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: can't actually get into their classroom because a protester is 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: stopping them. Yeah. 255 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 4: Absolutely, there again, that's a civil rights issue, there is. 256 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: You know. 257 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: It's just like you said, the students, or scholarship payments, 258 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: or parents who are expecting to be able to send 259 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 4: their children to a safe environment and get the education 260 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 4: that they're paying for. And that's not an unrealistic expectation. 261 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: Right exactly. 262 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more with Secretary Linda McMahon, But first, 263 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: let me tell you about a great story from my 264 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: partners at Genusel. It's heartwarming and refreshingly true. 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Can 298 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what it's like 299 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: when the president comes to you and says I need 300 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: you to. 301 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: Serve Well, it was very interesting because when the President 302 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: and I did have this discussion and he talked to 303 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 4: me about serving as the Secretary of Education. I told you, 304 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: I said, you know, mister President, and I'm I don't 305 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: come from the world of education. 306 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: I've been in the business world. 307 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, the SBA seemed to be, 308 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: you know, such a good fit for me. And he said, 309 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: but here's the thing, he said, I really do want 310 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: to close the Department of Education. He said, I want 311 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: to get rid of the bureaucracy of it. He said, 312 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: I don't need an educator, he said, I need a 313 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: business executive leader, a manager, someone who. 314 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: Knows how to do that. He said, you're a perfect 315 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: for this job. And so I agreed. 316 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: To take on this role and to serve him in 317 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: the country to the best of my ability. 318 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: And I think it's meaningful that you did agree to 319 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: serve twice because there have been a lot of criticisms 320 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. And I was actually just talking to 321 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: someone about this over the weekend. I said, how many 322 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: people who have worked with him in his businesses or 323 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: even in the White House have really come out and 324 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: ever said anything negative about him? 325 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: People love him. 326 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: Well, he's he's a great boss. And I'll tell you what, 327 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: it's really good. He understands so much what he is 328 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: asking you to do, and he's very probative in his questions. 329 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: I expect you to fully know and understand what it 330 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: is that you're doing. He listens very well when when 331 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: you're with him, but you know he expects action, and 332 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: so we do work very well together. And plus I've 333 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: known him for almost thirty years now. 334 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: Well, we have been impressed with what the administration has 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: done so far, and very impressed with what you've done. 336 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful you were here today to talk to 337 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: us today. US Secretary Linda McMahon, thank you, Thank you, Tutor, 338 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor 339 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor 340 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: dixonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 341 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts and join us next time. 342 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: Have a blessed day.