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Speaker 1: Marshall Falk what's going to rattle for Marshall Funker.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely legend and you just flew in just now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got in yeah, earlier today, earlier today.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in our south. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you're familiar with Festus or Farmington, Missouri.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're a legend, bro.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You are a legend.

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Speaker 3: And it was it's a it's a pleasure to have

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Speaker 3: you on our podcast right on man. Uh you right

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Speaker 3: before the show we were talking and you saw the

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Speaker 3: Nebraska shot out the Big Red. But you mentioned that

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Speaker 3: Osbourne coach Osbourne was the first coach that said you

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Speaker 3: couldn't play running.

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Speaker 2: Back coach, first coach and he was he was honest,

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Speaker 2: Like first day I was there, you sit in with

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Speaker 2: him and and this before you go to your position meeting,

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Speaker 2: and and he asked, he you know what, so so

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Speaker 2: what do you what position you think you can play

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Speaker 2: here on Nebraska and you know, like this this the

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Speaker 2: early nineties, Nebraka Roland. Yeah. And the only reason I

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Speaker 2: took I took a visit because Mickey Joseph, who's from

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Speaker 2: New Orleans as well, had just became the quarterback there

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Speaker 2: and I was and I thought, because I'm I'm right

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Speaker 2: in between Mickey and Vance advanced. Joseph is Mickey Joseph's

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Speaker 2: younger brother, so I'm in between them two. And I

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Speaker 2: was like, man, if I go, I get a year

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Speaker 2: to play with Mickey and then I'll play with Vans

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Speaker 2: because I thought Advance was coming there. But Vans ended

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Speaker 2: up ended up going to Colorado.

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Speaker 4: So did did Nebraska offer?

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Speaker 2: They did?

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Speaker 4: They did?

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Speaker 2: But I had to play corner?

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, I mean you were like, I mean you

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Speaker 4: were an athlete.

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Speaker 2: Listen man. Coach coach Osborne is a legend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They when he was at Nebraska, they turned out so

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Speaker 2: knew what he was talking about. I was pretty good corner,

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Speaker 2: but I had to love I had to love for

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Speaker 3: Was all your offers kind of split? Like your teams

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Speaker 3: wanting you to play corner? Teams wanted to play running back.

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Speaker 2: Most of them wanted me to play corner.

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Speaker 4: So that's is that a probably the biggest reason?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, because on offense, they were lazy

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna tell you what happened after all. Right,

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Speaker 2: So I played quarterback, receiver, running back, but on offense,

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Speaker 2: I was just a corner cover corner, so they couldn't

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Speaker 2: tell what I played on offense. And right after that

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Speaker 2: happened about I'm gonna say right around maybe ninety four

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Speaker 2: ninety five, they created the position called athlete. So when

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Speaker 2: you recruit a guy, you recruited him as you just

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Speaker 2: get an athlete, because they realized, damn, if we'd have

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Speaker 2: got him in here, found out he could play multiple positions.

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Speaker 2: But back then they had the recruited position. You had

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Speaker 2: to play a position. You couldn't just be an athlete.

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Speaker 1: If Tom Osborne would have came in and been like, listen,

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Speaker 2: It would have been easy. I mean it would have

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Speaker 2: been an easy decision. I mean, Nebraska was like cream

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: That's gotta feel good to hear, dude, It does feel

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Speaker 3: good to hear. It sucks that we didn't, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, like Osbourne it happened.

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Speaker 4: Quarner back, Yeah, it happens.

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Speaker 1: Was the University of Michigan. I have to ask Michigan

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Speaker 3: No, who's in your top who's in your top of?

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Speaker 2: Was Michigan wasn't recruiting and you know they weren't recruiting

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Speaker 4: Who's your top three? And why did you choose San

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Speaker 2: San Diego State wasn't even in the runnings it was

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Speaker 2: I took a trip out there. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: At the plain Land. You take the one sixty three

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Speaker 1: Diegoya, Laoya. So when I was training, I would be

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Speaker 4: It, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell in love with it my trip out there,

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Speaker 3: What was the process like going into the draft because

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Speaker 3: you were number two overall? Right, number two, number two overall?

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Speaker 3: Talk about that because obviously like running back, now you

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Speaker 4: You signed guys like you built the round the running back.

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Speaker 2: Guess what we didn't do in college? The running backs

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Speaker 2: that got drafted early that you see going one, two, three.

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Speaker 2: Guess what we didn't do in college. We didn't share

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it, the position has been devalued by the

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Speaker 1: Right, It's got to make you appreciate a guy like

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Speaker 2: Then, yeah, well, Derek Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Kristen don't come

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Speaker 4: I saw I actually read recently.

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Speaker 3: I think there's just an article on it about CMC

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Speaker 3: was like you and Ladanian Tomlinson taking care of your body,

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Speaker 4: Where you're you can do everything.

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Speaker 3: You can catch out of the backfield, you can line

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I could say I was a mentor.

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Speaker 2: The kid is such astute and obviously we know his

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Speaker 2: I got it, I know. And the fact that you

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Speaker 2: and he's like, how do I longevity? You played thirteen years?

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Speaker 2: How do I do this? How do I add? What

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Speaker 2: And and that's that's what he's doing. It's it's not

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Speaker 2: out there to be to play it. The best, the best,

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Speaker 2: the best, the best. When you have talent and you

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Speaker 2: see it, the best ability is your availability.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. With going back to San Diego, San Diego State,

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Speaker 4: Go to Miami, but to Miami in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: But listen, and I'm gonna be like, I'll be honest

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Speaker 2: four years, I probably won like six games. Like we

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing running back, receiver, quarterback, dB, kicker, punter,

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Speaker 2: I did everything And when the when the kicker was okay,

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Speaker 2: to see Diego State now it's just like that's all

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Speaker 2: I do is play running back. Oh my god, this

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: I get I get the rest while the defenses out there.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm way easier.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was like night and day.

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Speaker 1: So if you didn't know in high school, like for

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Speaker 1: for me, I I tell a story that I got

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Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna be an NFL football player second my

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Speaker 2: second game in college, literally first game didn't go well.

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Speaker 2: First game. First game, I didn't I didn't play much.

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Speaker 2: oh my god. And then the next the next game,

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Speaker 2: I don't play. The first quarter. First play, first play

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like going from uh, where'd you

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Speaker 2: All culture shocks, all culture shocks. Like I'm talking night

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Speaker 2: I was just like, That's all I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: like now you're twenty one years old and there's thirty

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Speaker 1: Like how difficult was that for you to kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you obviously like you've got to have the right

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Speaker 2: If you don't, if you don't do the things you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really quick.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel like your professionalism in like know,

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Speaker 2: That what I told him and the things that I

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a hard thing. Actually what what what is

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Speaker 2: the wife. The time that we get, those thirteen years

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Speaker 2: I want you to know that I did the things

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Speaker 1: How was it difficult for you to ask for that

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Speaker 2: No, uh huh, No, I'm so. I'm the youngest. I got,

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Speaker 2: I got, I got five older brothers. I'm the youngest

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Speaker 2: They paid the dummy tax. I didn't have to pay it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's fair of being the youngest. You kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both, we're both the oldest.

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Speaker 4: No, did you have one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I was gonna say, was there ever like somebody

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Speaker 2: Nah, because I was selected. I was always selective. What

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Speaker 2: You just call somebody up and say hey. You don't

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Speaker 2: anything that motivates them, you know, you don't find out

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Speaker 2: that's kind of cheesy. Call somebody. You get to know them,

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Speaker 2: and that's what christ and they say, Hey, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: Like like we had a conversation about where I was

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Speaker 2: And I think there's just a respectful way to go

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Speaker 2: All of us, all of them, every every back that

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Speaker 3: Right, I was, I gonna ask it was so tasting

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Speaker 4: You have some turf toe that you're battling. A couple

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Speaker 2: You did your homework.

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Speaker 4: Hey listen, man, Marshall Fulk.

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Speaker 3: You're on the man cover, you know, seeing the jerseys

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Speaker 2: With Indianapolis, yeah, I was ready for change, and I

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Speaker 2: Like I was like, we sucked, but I had an

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Speaker 2: and they wanted it to be Peyton's team. So moving

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Speaker 2: And and I and you walk. You go from a

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Speaker 2: where you have to prove yourself and it puts you back,

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Speaker 2: like it gives you that edge back. I got that

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Speaker 2: deal with.

439
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Speaker 1: Gotcha, how long does it take you to earn that respect?

440
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 1: In your mind? I mean, it's extremely established. I'm sure

441
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:36,679
Speaker 1: it didn't take very.

442
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 4: Long, but.

443
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 2: It actually took I'm gonna tell I'll be honest, it

444
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,959
Speaker 2: took a few games. I'm gonna tell you. We so

445
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 2: we were, we were I think we were six and

446
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,360
Speaker 2: oh and I barely touched the ball. And I had

447
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 2: not one games in the NFL without touching the ball

448
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 2: that much. Like I think the first game I touched

449
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: the ball twelve times, and next game like thirteen, maybe fifteen.

450
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 2: But we go we're I think we were six and

451
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 2: oh five and oh six and oh, and we're in Tennessee.

452
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: We're playing the Titans, and they're giving us the business.

453
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: You know, they're giving us the business. I'm just telling you.

454
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Speaker 1: Uh.

455
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: We go into the locker room. I go to Mike Marsa.

456
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 2: I said, Mike, I understand you being judicious. Just come

457
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: to me. And so we come out. We come out.

458
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 2: The first like five or six plays, the ball goes

459
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: to me. We score, and so I kind of took

460
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: over the game. We're down like twenty one, twenty one,

461
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: maybe three, and we ended up tying it up twenty

462
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 2: four to twenty four. And they got the ball, drove

463
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: down and kicked the field goal in overtime, but they

464
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: had not seen like I literally took over the game.

465
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 2: And that's when they were like, okay, like all right,

466
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Speaker 2: we now we see who this guy is. Right before that,

467
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: you know, I was just like I was coasting. I

468
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: hadn't really taken over a game or played up to

469
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 2: my potential because I was just a part of the

470
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Speaker 2: offense I was doing. You know, I'm five eight, ten

471
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: yards twenty score a touchdown here. It didn't we didn't

472
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: need to dominate. But like I was like Mike feed

473
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: the boy, like, yeah.

474
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: Have you always been a guy that's like, hey, give

475
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: me the give me the ball or was that like

476
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: was that a new thing for you to do to

477
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Speaker 1: kind of.

478
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 2: Like that that was that was always my personality was

479
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: like if we're going to we're going to win. If

480
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: I have the ball, that's like if I'm getting the ball,

481
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: we are going to win. That's like that was always

482
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 2: by my personality.

483
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Speaker 1: That's like a standard textbook personality trait of a skill

484
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: position guy that you need probably so you need that

485
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: like aj Brown playing with him with the Titans, like

486
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: he was a guy that like he's not getting a

487
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: lot of catches, he's like do you all want to

488
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: win or not? Like you need to give me the football. Yeah,

489
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys who look at that as

490
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: like selfish guy, nothink about the team, but like you

491
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: want dudes to have that kind of confidence and that

492
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of like that ed have that edge of being

493
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: like I can truly make a difference any point in

494
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: the game at any time.

495
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I went about it a little different because, I mean,

496
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 2: should I play with ice Bruce Tory Holp? So I

497
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: was always like, Mike, look, no problem. Like we started

498
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: the game, you throw it, no problem. But when it

499
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: get real, when it gets real, like hey hey, like

500
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: like when you know when I started looking at him.

501
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 4: Like hey yeah, like let's get going score a little

502
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 4: too close?

503
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like playing with the Peyton just

504
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: coming into it?

505
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 2: Was fun? Man, it was fun. It was fun like

506
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: watching him learn the game because he had all the attributes.

507
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: But the speed of the game was just a little different,

508
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 2: like your first year for a quarterback. It's moving fast,

509
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: like faster than you ever thought. And he threw a

510
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 2: bunch of interceptions. And I mean I used to we

511
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: used to walk off and he used to. I just

512
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 2: didn't think the guy could get there. I didn't think

513
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: the guy could get there. And then one time I

514
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: was just like, hey, Peyton's the NFL. Everybody can get there. Yeah,

515
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: Like it's a little different, man. All these dudes, the dudes, man,

516
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: they were at some point in time, they were the

517
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: best person on a team, All of these dudes in

518
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: the league.

519
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Like the dudes with obviously that rookie year throwing all

520
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: those interceptions, did you expect him to have the career

521
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: that he ended up happing?

522
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you can see it, you know

523
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, because it was all like every mistake

524
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: was a new mistake, and he didn't make the same

525
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: mistake twice. Once he made that mistake, he fouled away,

526
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: never made the mistake again.

527
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Speaker 3: That Let's dive into the greatest show on turf. Talk

528
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: about that year. We have a Tennessee Titan, Nashville native.

529
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Speaker 4: You want to hug yard and a half.

530
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: You want to hug hey, Jack hugg.

531
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 4: It's okay, that newspaper shot reaching.

532
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hug.

533
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: No talk about talk about that year man and the

534
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: rise of the Saint Louis Rams.

535
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: It was literally I remember being in that locker room,

536
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, from the start of the season, and I

537
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: think it was like I think it was Keith Lole Todd,

538
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: like they say why not us? Like why not us?

539
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: Literally like why not us?

540
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: Why?

541
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: Why why can't we dominate the league? And everybody was

542
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: like huh. And like that literally started. You could see

543
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: guys because the Rams had a lot of good draft picks,

544
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: but they just couldn't put the pieces together. And it

545
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: was all because they had drapped with Orlando Pace, gwyn Renstrom,

546
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: Isaac Bruce toddl like like all of these dudes are

547
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: first rounders. Like they had guys that was still on

548
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: the team that that that could play, and you know,

549
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: it just it just hadn't happened for them. But the

550
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: the willingness to just buy in and and and we

551
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: started this. We started this thing with celebrating as a team,

552
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: Like it started in practice. It didn't matter who caught

553
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: the touchdown, we were gonna celebrate as a team. It

554
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: didn't matter who got the sack, they were gonna we

555
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: were gonna celebrate as a team. And and that started

556
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: to feed into the identity. And then we had this

557
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: special teams coach that was like he was the best

558
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: I had ever heard get people ready to play. I mean,

559
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: and he used to use a lot of war analogies

560
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: and and and and ask guys to go and and

561
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: and tell him what to do. And it used to

562
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: get people so fired up. I mean, I didn't even

563
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: play Special teams. I sat in the Special teams meetings

564
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: just to hear him talk shit. And and he man,

565
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Frank Ganz was like he was. He was one of

566
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: the best special teams coaches to ever played. And in

567
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: that mantra of us, everybody was like, we gotta go

568
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: to work if we want to do this, and that

569
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: became our whole thing. Gotta go to work, Gotta go

570
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 2: to work, Gotta go to work, Gotta go to work.

571
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: When you guys, so you guys are feeling the juice yourself? Yeah,

572
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: team and everything like when did that? Like, all right,

573
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: the momentum is in our favor right now. When did

574
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: it turn into old legit? We can win a Super

575
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: Bowl this year?

576
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: After after we lost to Tennessee, the next week of practice,

577
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: how we showed up. I had been a part of

578
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: teams that lost games and showed up like it was nothing.

579
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: Guys showed up, hissed mad like working hard. You could

580
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: see that the linemen like O line, D line, they

581
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: were in fights with each other. It wasn't the it

582
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: wasn't the I'm I'm I'm doing defensive scout team a

583
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: offensive scout team, and I'm just getting in your way.

584
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: It was like they were trying to kick each other's butt.

585
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: And and I was like, man, these dudes, these dudes

586
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: hungry man, and and you could you could start to

587
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: see it. And we I think right after that, we

588
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: played the Niners and the Rams hadn't beat the Niners

589
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: in like eleven times, and we blew them out, like

590
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: literally blew them out. And that's when it was like

591
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: there's something here. There's literally something here.

592
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: And having that pissed off team after losing the Titans,

593
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: how hungry were you guys to play him again in

594
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: the in the Super Bowl.

595
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: We couldn't have had a better opponent, literally, could not

596
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: have had a better opponent.

597
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: Came down the last place, could.

598
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: Not have had a better opponent.

599
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: Man.

600
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: It was like if you go back and watch the

601
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: game that we played them, uh in Tennessee, like that

602
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: game was hard, was just as hard fought as the

603
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And and to watch the effort of Eddie

604
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: George and the late Steve McNair, like the effort. Like

605
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: I watched the last drive. Steve McNair is leaving it

606
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: all out there. I'm talking dog tired and just finding

607
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: a way to stay up, fight guys off, complete passes

608
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: and you know.

609
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 4: What was your vibe like on the sideline seeing him

610
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: drive down.

611
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, man, I was like, I was

612
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: so calm because I just didn't think this is I

613
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: was like, I knew a little bit about Fisher. I

614
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: was like, there's no way he goes for two because

615
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: if they scored, they were tie. But there was no

616
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: way he was going for two.

617
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, that route was ran wrong. That route at

618
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: that depth was just a little bit more.

619
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but that that that's it though. The discipline

620
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: of the game is sometimes what cause what all the

621
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: times is when you while you win or lose the

622
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: discipline and how you do stuff.

623
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: Mike Jones, Yeah, he's the one who had that final tackle.

624
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: You also play with I got to play with him.

625
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: Oh stay in the Super Bowl. Stand in the Super

626
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: Bowl because I was so tenty. I played for the

627
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Titans twenty nineteen were two quarters away from going to

628
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: a super Tell me that feeling of running out of

629
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: the tunnel for a Super Bowl to literally achieve a

630
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: world championship, that that moment is it because you like

631
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: obviously extremely successful, like you've literally done everything you can

632
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: possibly do as a football player, but like the opportunity

633
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: to achieve like the holy grail of a team sport,

634
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Like what is that? Was it moment massive? Or was it?

635
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Like how hard was it to stay like kind of

636
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: composed just running out of the tunnel knowing win or

637
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: lose is the last game of the year and this

638
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: is a legacy deal.

639
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: I didn't even try to stay composed smart, Like what

640
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: I did was I allow whatever was going to happen

641
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: to happen, and that you know, I was going to

642
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: be able to gather myself and play the game. That's

643
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: literally when I ran out of that out of the tunnel,

644
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: I was so hyped, Like I started hyper ventilating. I

645
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: had to go to the sideline and get some oxygen.

646
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: I was like so excited because as a kid, like

647
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: my friends and I'm I'm I'm from New Orleans. We're

648
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: playing in Atlanta. I got so many people at the game,

649
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: like people that spent their last to get there because

650
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: they grew up, you know, everybody, And I'm thinking about

651
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: my boys when we you know, as kids. Every time,

652
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: it didn't matter what the score was. Oh ship, the

653
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: street light's coming on. We got to get home. This

654
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: play is to win the Super Bowl. I'm like, I

655
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: get a chance. Man, You're crazy, Like I was not

656
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: going to hold anything back. And you know, by the

657
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: time when I ran out, I'm I'm like, I'm amped,

658
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: and I time I wore myself out, I'm sitting on

659
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: the bench, I'm like, I gotta catch my breath.

660
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

661
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: Literally, I started the game off tired and it took

662
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: like I had to catch my second win just to

663
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: go out and play. That's that's how much adrenaline is

664
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: going through your body to play that game.

665
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: What a moment that would be. They're the MVP that

666
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: year too, right now, that was Kurt's that was Kurt.

667
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: You were second to Kurt, right, that's wild? Like Kurt

668
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: was the Kurt Warners number one.

669
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: So three years in a row two So Kurt one,

670
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: I was second. I won, he was second, Kurt one.

671
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: I was second three years in a row.

672
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 4: A guy who was filling grocery bags.

673
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: The best grocery bagger in the business.

674
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Details bags were never on the bottom, Like he knew

675
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: what the hell he was doing.

676
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was he like playing with him?

677
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: Hey? Best man? I know man, I tell people all

678
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: the time, like I'm talking not just football player, but

679
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: like person you meet him, like so authentic, so authentic, uh,

680
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: and just just enjoyed playing with him. He only got

681
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: upset with himself. It didn't matter who was yelling at him.

682
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: He he maintained who he was and he always stayed

683
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: in his person and who he wanted to be, like

684
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: a man of faith, always.

685
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: Not going back to back Spygate, Patriots taking it from

686
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: from us, from the Rams, from US seas Rams. You

687
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: were a Cowboys fan. I was a Cowboys fan. But

688
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: you're still like you know when the when the city

689
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: team wins. As a kid, you're on that bandwagon, you

690
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like Marshall Fulk was on the

691
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: cover of Madden. You pretended to be guys like Marshall Falk,

692
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: Trail Davis, Eddie Georgia out in the front yard. But

693
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: back to the question of not getting that back to

694
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: back Super Bowl against the Patriots.

695
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Talk about that Yeah, that was a tough one.

696
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: Man.

697
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: You know, for for a while, I hung on that

698
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: loss more than I did the win, you know, and

699
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: and and you just you just you know, you gotta

700
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: let it go. You literally let it go. And and

701
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: that's that's easy to do when you play sports. You know,

702
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: you you don't you don't really know how to really

703
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: maintain what you need in order to enjoy the wins.

704
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: It's so much easier to go down and be pissed

705
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: off about the loss. That's so much easier, you know,

706
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: because it it becomes few to your fire. You know,

707
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: you use it to like get stuff done. You know. Really,

708
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: when you're the best, you're like, oh, I'm gonna work

709
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: out harder.

710
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: You know.

711
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's harder to work out harder when you're

712
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: the best. It's easy to work out harder when when

713
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: there's some adversity or something's up against you. And so

714
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, I had to I really had to like

715
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 2: work on like, man, I gotta let this go. Like

716
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: I enjoyed winning the super Bowl more than I did

717
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: losing the Super Bowl? Why am I not talking about

718
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: this as much?

719
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you feel like there's any truth to the spygate.

720
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: And man, look, I mean let's let's just let's just

721
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: say this. It's it's it's not one spy gate, it's

722
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: two spy gates. There's all kinds of stuff that you

723
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: know it's but but in this, in this, in this

724
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: business of professional sports. You know, Al Davis used to

725
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: say it, if you ain't cheating, you't try.

726
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: Man.

727
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: And some people, some people you know you you find it,

728
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: You find a way to get it done. And in

729
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: the game in between the lines. It ain't holding if

730
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: they don't call it.

731
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but spying.

732
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: If they don't. If they don't call it, they gotta

733
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: call it. The league has to throw the challenge flag

734
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: on itself. Yeah, and they ain't never doing that. We're

735
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: not gonna be baseball. Remember that baseball got some teint it.

736
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: He ain't doing that. You're not gonna see no asteris

737
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: buy any super Bowl? Trust that when do you when

738
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: you come back to it.

739
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Obviously you didn't play in Las Vegas for a Super Bowl,

740
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: but you're during super Bowl Week? Like, is there a

741
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: piece of nostalgia every time you come back and do

742
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff?

743
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: Always always, yeah, always, just just the memory the memories

744
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: of because because when you're actually when you're like so

745
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: when I was in the league, I would not come

746
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl until I played one or until

747
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: I won one. So I never came until until until

748
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: then I came to and then I didn't come again

749
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: until until after ninety nine, until after the two thousand season.

750
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: So you're always wondering when you're playing, like what's happening?

751
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: What's going on out there?

752
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: What?

753
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: What's what?

754
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: Like?

755
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: What what's what's what's happening? And now being on this

756
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: side of it, I'm always thinking about, like, man, what

757
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: are they talking about? Like what are they what are

758
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: they game planning? What's the scheme? Like? Like the guys

759
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: what what? What are what are they planning on? Because

760
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: you you talk about how much you're going to man

761
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: after we win this, after we win this, here's what

762
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna do after we win. Oh, I can't wait.

763
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: I can't. Like you're you're manifesting your destiny and so

764
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: you're talking about it. You can see it, and that's

765
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 2: why when you lose it hurts so much.

766
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of passion in your voice, like

767
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: where did you get this championship? Mindset? Has it always

768
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: been since your young child, or did it have to

769
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: develop over process of elimination of trying new things and

770
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: kind of having to pay it if it okay? This mindset,

771
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: this way, this body of work is not working for

772
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: me right now, Like where did you get to where?

773
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: What we're seeing right now?

774
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: When you're the youngest and because of age, size or whatever,

775
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: you don't get to win, it burns in you. Like

776
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: I I so I basketball is my first sport. And

777
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: my brothers they all played basketball, and my two brothers

778
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: that were really good. When I got big enough, they

779
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't play me, so they didn't want to lose to me.

780
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's literally just it's just competitive in me. Yeah,

781
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, I compete at everything. Everything that I do,

782
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I compete and I'm always competing against myself. I'm just

783
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: trying to get better, just trying to get better. I'm

784
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: trying to live life better, trying to be a better

785
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 2: human every day.

786
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: There's got to be like a with football players or

787
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: anybody who plays a sport in general, there's got to

788
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: be like this insane competitiveness like about you in every

789
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: fast I feel like it doesn't leave any part of

790
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: your life, Like, what about it? What now? Are you

791
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: like the most competitive.

792
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: In probably golf?

793
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, big golfer.

794
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: I love golf. I love golf. It's it's the most

795
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: mentally challenging thing that I've ever done in my life.

796
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, I've never been so mad and

797
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: disappointed in myself for not being able to mentally focus

798
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: at something that doesn't hit back. You know, It's like,

799
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: it's crazy if you.

800
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Could play somebody want a celebrity in golf, just to

801
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: know that you could beat them? Who to be to

802
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: know that I can be, not know that you would

803
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: beat that, but if you want to prove yourself like

804
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Jordan, we know he.

805
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: Plays all Tiger, Like I would like to play Tiger

806
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: in the match and think you'd be Tiger. I'm saying

807
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: I would like to play Tiger.

808
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: Tiger.

809
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Come on, man, Like, really, have.

810
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: You seen the clip? There's a there's a barstool podcast

811
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: called for Play and they did a long drive competition

812
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: with Tiger. Have you seen that clip? Yeah, he's on

813
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: his knees. Yeah, incredible drives him? How drives him? That

814
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: is just crazy?

815
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 4: Do you got any good? Uh?

816
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: I got to play with London Fletcher, like his last year.

817
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: But did do you have any good London Fletcher stories?

818
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: Because you was U was with him when he was young,

819
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: like undrafted, like he always had this look at his

820
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: eye he kept at the end his entire career.

821
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: But do you have any good London Fletcher stories?

822
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: So the best this is my best. I don't know

823
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: if we named him dot com dot com Fletcher dot com,

824
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: so we started calling him dot com. But here's how

825
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: I met London. I was on the coats and we

826
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: had a joint practice because Jim Moore he he and

827
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Dick Vermill they coached together at U c.

828
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: L A.

829
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: So we meet at Champagne, Illinois, and we have a

830
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: joint practice, all right, and we get ready to do

831
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: one on ones and uh, like, the starting linebacker comes up.

832
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember who it was. And I

833
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: came up and I come out the backfield, I run around,

834
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: catch the ball. Then we moved to the other side.

835
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: I come up. The other starting linebacker came up, caught

836
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: the ball on him, and then it's time for me

837
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: to go again. And the linebacker that's up is like

838
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: wearing number sixty six, and I turned around. I'm like,

839
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: can y'all get somebody else in here? And it was London.

840
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: It was Loundon because it was his rookie year, and

841
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: he was like, he was like, you don't want to

842
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: go against me, You don't want to go against me.

843
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, man, I ain't trying to get hurt

844
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: messing with no rookie, right, all right? And two years

845
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: later I'm playing with him and we line up and

846
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: he and he reminded me. He was like, hey, I

847
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: know you don't notice, but I was number sixty six

848
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: when we were in camp.

849
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: I said, okay, did he ever do have your strap you?

850
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: One on ones? Oh?

851
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: No, not never. No, he could not. No. But you know,

852
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: pass past linebacker, passed right, pass pro, you know, pass pro,

853
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: meet him in the egg gap, catching him off the edge.

854
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: He won his battles there. You know, I put up

855
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: a good fight and I'm supposed to lose that. I'm

856
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: just supposed to occupy your time, right, I supposed to win.

857
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to get in your way death.

858
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

859
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but one on one he no chance. I

860
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: told him. I say, listen, here's the reality. Ain't whether

861
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to catch the ball. The reality is you're

862
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: not gonna touch me. Like in this drill me. Winning

863
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: is whether you touch me or not.

864
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: Has there been a linebacker to strap you, whether it's

865
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: in a game.

866
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's it's listen, it's going to happen, right,

867
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, it's happened many a times. But

868
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: but like we're talking situation. You know what I'm saying.

869
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: If it's if it's third and I gotta win, whatever

870
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: that is, it ain't happening. Now. You can catch me

871
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: on second down. You can probably catch me, you know.

872
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: But if if if we're calling the play and this

873
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: play is it's third in this and we're going to

874
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: they're calling they're calling my route or a play to me.

875
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: Unless they double team me, like and take me out

876
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: and make the quarterback not throw it to me, I'm winning.

877
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: That's that's just that was like guarantee.

878
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: I mean you essentially, I mean you were like known

879
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: for the folk route coming out of the backfield running vertical.

880
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: I know that was absolute hell for any linebacker to

881
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: have to do just cover Marshall out of the best.

882
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about, You're like, Okay, it's gonna

883
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: break in, You're gonna break.

884
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: Out right, and Amity.

885
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: Runs by you, You're like, oh.

886
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: Are you strapping down?

887
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: Marshall? Yeah, I mean you know, I'll get him every

888
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: now and then, do you think? So? Yeah, Man, I'm

889
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 4: gonna ge I'm gonna have my day.

890
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have that out of ten times, I'm gonna win.

891
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess right at some point, I'm.

892
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: Gonna point the other time I fell down.

893
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get I'll have to guess, but I'll guess

894
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: right at some point, and then that's when I'll.

895
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: Stop playing, you know what I mean.

896
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: Now I'm shall, you know, get somebody else say, I'm

897
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: not trying to get hurt against somebody like you.

898
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: Uh, dude.

899
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: You were talking earlier about always wanting to be the

900
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: running back, like never leave the field, be that guy

901
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: at all times. Talk about like when Steven Jackson was

902
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: coming in and you start splitting characters and splitting reps

903
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: in the later part of your career, Like how was

904
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: that for you?

905
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: So the story is different than that. When they drafted,

906
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Steve and I had a conversation because Steven and I

907
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 2: we had the same agent, and I said to Steve

908
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: and I say, look, here's the reality. And I told Mike,

909
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: I said, here's the reality. If you want the job,

910
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: you got to beat me out. I'm not giving it

911
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: to you like I'm not. You have to take this job.

912
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: And I told him, I said, the only reason why

913
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: that's the case is in this huddle, the best guy

914
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: gonna be here for these dudes. And so if you

915
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: beat me up, you're the best guy. That's it. But

916
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: I knew I was, you know, I was. I think

917
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: I was like thirty two, you know, and I was like,

918
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't play whole games anymore. I needed, you know,

919
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: I needed to kind of split time a little bit,

920
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: you know. I just I wasn't the back I was right,

921
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: I once was. So it was it was good. He

922
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: learned a lot, you know. I sat down with him

923
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: and went over film and talked about here's what I see,

924
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: here's what I'm thinking, this is my prestat read you

925
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: know whatever. Whatever I could teach him, I taught him,

926
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, just just in not like taking him under

927
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: my wing. Just I want when he's in there, I

928
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: want him.

929
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: To have.

930
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: What I have and how I see things for the

931
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: other team guys in there, so and he was he

932
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: was he was awesome, man, he he never. I mean,

933
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: you're you're your early pick. You know, you're you're playing

934
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: behind you know, guys in his eleven twelfth year, right,

935
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like ship, you can't win the job.

936
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: That could mess with your confidence, you know, that started

937
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: to Yeah, that started to mess with your confidence. And

938
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: the only thing that kept me in the game was

939
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: because you know, like the mentals out of the game,

940
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, mentally mentally, I just I didn't make many mistakes.

941
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: And when you can, when you can, when your mind

942
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: is sharp and you cannot make mistakes, and you could

943
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: be efficient with carries, always get positive yards. Although you

944
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: don't hit the home run the way you used to,

945
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: and you're not you can't do all the things that

946
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: you used to do, you could still be effective.

947
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: How was how was that process when you start to

948
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, I can't hit the home run, I

949
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: am losing a step, Like father time is starting to

950
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: catch up with you.

951
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: Right, oh, yeah, you're in.

952
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: When did the denial turn into acceptance?

953
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: Maybe the season before my last So my the twelfth year,

954
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: I had a series of games that I mean, like

955
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: I never got tackled by the first guy. And and

956
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: so it happened probably three or four games where single

957
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: guy ran up on me. I put a move on

958
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: him and he got me, and I was and I

959
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: was like, and I was like, man, you know, hmm,

960
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: you just you're thinking like, oh, oh, that was a

961
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: good type. He barely got my leg. Oh he barely.

962
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: Oh he hit my leg and it hit my other foot.

963
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: And those are things that that first guy wouldn't even

964
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: touch me right now and now yeah, and now I'm

965
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: getting tackled by the first guy. To me, that was like,

966
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: you know, that's like a wounded animal out there. I'm like, listen,

967
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: there's blood in the water. There's no way I talk

968
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: too much smack when I play, like, there's no way

969
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be out here. And I can't. I got

970
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: I can't make the first guy miss. I'm in trouble.

971
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: Who's some of the best ship talkers you went against.

972
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: Johnny Randall, Rodney Harrison straight hand talked all day. Oh Sap,

973
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sap wouldn't shut up, would not shut up.

974
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: It's impressive to see a big guy that doesn't shut up. Yeah,

975
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of motor around that much

976
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: and keep the Josh sets going the whole time.

977
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: Sad was Sad was Sad was the one, and he

978
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: had an issue with this guard that we had, uh,

979
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: Frankie Garcia. And he talks back to him the whole game,

980
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: called his name out the whole every time. He was

981
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: Frankie coming to get you, Frankie, look.

982
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 4: At me anything you're saying to Frankie.

983
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Hey, FRANKI, it's okay, brother, We're here for you.

984
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well the first the first time it happened,

985
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: he was like Frankie, Frankie and Frankie Frankie and and

986
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: I'm looking this way. Frankie's back as to Sad, and

987
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: I say, Frankie talking to you.

988
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: O ship, frank you gotta do something, frank stand up

989
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: for yourself. Frankie an offensive lineman. And a lot of

990
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: those dudes are South spoken cats. Was he was he

991
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: a talker? Was Frankie talker?

992
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Was he kind of keeping nothing to say?

993
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Frankie killing with kindness kind of guy.

994
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: Something happened, Frankie was playing somewhere else in him and

995
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: sap something something happened and they had issues. And when

996
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: that's when anytime sat played him regardless of he was

997
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: playing on it. He got after him.

998
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: Damn.

999
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: How's a bad guy of on your back?

1000
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: How do you?

1001
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Uh?

1002
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: How do you feel like the game has gotten softer

1003
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: since you, since your guys era.

1004
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say softer, They just they're they're they're playing

1005
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: smarter now. In playing smarter, what they've done is unfair

1006
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: to defense. You know, guys are running across the middle

1007
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: like their Bambi. They can't be touched. They trying to

1008
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: play brave like like you know what I'm saying, like, dude,

1009
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: stop running across the middle and you're gonna get up

1010
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: talking smack to somebody because they can't hit you unless

1011
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: you look at them like if if if if I IF.

1012
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: I always say if I duck, that means I saw you. Yeah,

1013
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: So that creates helmet to helmet. More helmet to helmet

1014
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: contact happens when the guy ducks your linebacker. You're going

1015
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: in he duck, bam, helme with the helmet flag on you.

1016
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: They've putt they put too much of his responsibility on

1017
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: the defensive guy. The core back throwing the ball, not

1018
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: protecting his receiver. The offensive coordinator calling these plays putting

1019
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: these guys in these kamakazi situations, none of them are responsible.

1020
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: And giving a lot of interpretation up to the referee. Yeah,

1021
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: putting them in a difficult position.

1022
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: And listen, any hit that looks bad, they got to

1023
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: throw a flag, got to they have to.

1024
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, what were your guys' off seasons?

1025
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to remember because we had all start

1026
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: on and he was talking about, you know, how.

1027
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: The Union, how it shifted. We asked for all this

1028
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: off time and stuff like that, Like what.

1029
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: Were your guys? How long were your guys' off seasons?

1030
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: Like when did you have to report when? So your

1031
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: last game is in January?

1032
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so last game in January. Let's say February. We

1033
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: started off season conditioning and right after the draft. Off

1034
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: season conditioning would be from February until the beginning of April,

1035
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: and then you would leave after April. You'd come back

1036
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: right after the draft and do the first mini camp.

1037
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: They'd have a you know, if you were first or

1038
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: second your guy with the rookies, you do that mini camp,

1039
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: and then the next week they'd have the Bets would

1040
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: come and you do another mini camp with the Bets

1041
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: and the Rooks yeah, and and camp was six weeks long.

1042
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Damn man, we do that?

1043
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and now I even talking about two days.

1044
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a practice two days, not for real,

1045
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: real days, not like not like it's only too like

1046
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: my rookie year of two day would be like practice

1047
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: in the morning with pads, little jogged through in the afternoon.

1048
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1049
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: No, we we were.

1050
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: We were full strap ten days, full tackle too. Oh yeah,

1051
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: tackle to the ground goal line like live.

1052
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: Now when you when you were Marshall Fulk m v

1053
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: p Martia Fulk, were you having to participate in the

1054
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: other two days?

1055
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: I still did it? Yeah, I still did it, ye

1056
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: because like that was I always my conditioning was how

1057
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: I beat people. I was like you when we got

1058
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: to the fourth quarter. I know you didn't work as

1059
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: hard as me.

1060
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: I knew it.

1061
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: There's no way you worked as hard as me, No way.

1062
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: What was what was it like? You had?

1063
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: You know, you had to scale positions like yourself. You

1064
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: mentioned Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce. Was all your guys' work

1065
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: ethics just sickening like you're explaining.

1066
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we pushed each other like in conditioning, like we

1067
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: were all we raced, We pushed each other. Like some

1068
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: of the stuff you saw in games wasn't even close

1069
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 2: to what we did in practice. Like if you if

1070
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: you thought the greatest show on Turfin, if you watch

1071
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: some of the practices, unbelievable, just unbelievable.

1072
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: The joint practice is today like the worst. It's let's

1073
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: take a war. I can't imagine what they were like

1074
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: when you played.

1075
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Well now in today's in today's game, that's all they

1076
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: have to They understand that they getting to fight practice over.

1077
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it's also there's not a whole hour

1078
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: at the same time, like there's not you know, if

1079
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: you get like a little scuffle that there's not you

1080
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about penalties. Guys are playing a

1081
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: lot harder and a lot dirty. I feel like joint

1082
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: practices are actually more difficult than games to an extent.

1083
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I don't know, Like for for us,

1084
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: a joint practice was easier than our practice solo. Yeah,

1085
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: because a joint practice, I'm going against somebody who don't

1086
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: know me. When you're going against somebody, when you practice

1087
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: against somebody who know what you do every damn day,

1088
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: you know how hard that is to defeat him every day?

1089
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: It's like to learn everything.

1090
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: When the team you got to play in your division,

1091
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: you gotta play him twice. That second time you play him,

1092
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: it's hard. If you play him a third time, you're like,

1093
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: we beat him twice, can we beat him again? It's hard.

1094
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: But now you get to go up against another team

1095
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: that's like, oh man, this this is cake this this

1096
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 2: guy don't know my tricks playing.

1097
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: Uh, make a lot of relationships in football, obviously, who

1098
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: is give me your three teammates of all time? Doesn't

1099
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: have to be best players, just the boys like hanging

1100
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: out with the.

1101
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: Most Todd Light, Uh, Tory Holt and who else? Oh

1102
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: a guy that so so this is funny. So my

1103
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: backup in college was my backup in the pros for real? Yeah,

1104
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: a guy named Justin Watson.

1105
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: How to get to the NFL playing behind you? If

1106
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you said you never come off the field, it just happened.

1107
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: Was he younger than you? And then like you leave,

1108
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 4: he has a year he's doing it?

1109
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah I left. So he was my backup.

1110
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: I left. He had two years. He was in camp

1111
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: with the Chargers. He was in camp with the Chargers.

1112
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: Was was was was on their practice squad for two

1113
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: years and then got picked up when I got traded

1114
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: to the Rams.

1115
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 4: You got any good?

1116
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: Uh?

1117
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: Your best post Super Bowl memory in that next week

1118
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: two span after you guys win the title?

1119
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, just every every everywhere I went, I think

1120
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: I spent. I spent the week down in Miami South Beach,

1121
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: rented a yacht like just just yeah, I mean I was.

1122
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta remember I never won anything in football, Like,

1123
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: I never wanted anything. I never wanted to football.

1124
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1125
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: You never like I never I won a championship in basketball, baseball,

1126
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: I won state running track. I never won a championship

1127
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: in football, and my the first championship I went in

1128
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: football is in the NFL. I lost my damn mind.

1129
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: Going crazy too.

1130
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: Most money you spent in the night, So I was.

1131
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: I was a smart part of you. You know, I

1132
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: didn't always take it on. I always had teammates with me,

1133
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: so we split the bill, so always we always split

1134
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: the bill.

1135
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: So credit card roulette, nothing like that.

1136
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: I mean that happened a couple of times.

1137
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you didn't get gone.

1138
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you don't make sure you know I've

1139
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: I've yeah, I mean it's happened. It's happened.

1140
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: What's the heaviest bill you've seen?

1141
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Uh? One of the trips we took to Vegas?

1142
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Uh what.

1143
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 4: Man? I have to come to you, man, Yeah, Flavor man,

1144
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: because we saw so.

1145
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm in Michigan, right, yeah, Michigan Michigan vers Nebraska a

1146
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I had to come.

1147
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: I had to come in here to call my own

1148
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: version of how you doing. I'm good, man, I'm good,

1149
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 2: no complaints with no complaints, no interruption.

1150
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 4: I gotta break out, man, I just wanted to come

1151
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 4: to love man.

1152
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Probably see probably tonight. Let's do that, okay, man, my man.

1153
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 4: Ah, excuse you're good. Welcome to busting with the boys.

1154
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: Many yeah, Marshalls right on.

1155
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, I did see him. The fact that I

1156
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: saw that chain, I was like, is that he did?

1157
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Flave just jumping in.

1158
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Hey what a water in the show.

1159
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you know, Flavor? Flave? Oh?

1160
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: Man, you super Bowl when you can see Yeah, he

1161
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: was on the yacht.

1162
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: Is him popping in? Yeah?

1163
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: Hey man, me and Flavor we go back by that

1164
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: dude's a pioneer, man. Yeah, you gotta love some flave.

1165
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 4: Who's the first dude you were starstruck by him?

1166
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Flavor of love?

1167
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: Probably I was in college. I just like burst it

1168
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: onto the scene my freshman year the next year, and

1169
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 2: I went up to LA to watch uh, to watch

1170
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: Martin and to get to get to meet Martin Lawrence,

1171
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: you know, like in the time when he was doing Martin.

1172
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: Oh man, I was just like, you know, I wasn't

1173
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: into the whole Hollywood thing, but to see, like, you know,

1174
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: most actors play somebody else, but Martin is Martin. Like

1175
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: Martin is Martin Lawrence, so like you're getting to see

1176
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: the dude be himself. It was just like, damn, this

1177
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: is this dude, this is Martin.

1178
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1179
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: He was like the first star star that I met.

1180
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: How about a flippant who was the first dude who

1181
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: you weren't necessarily a starstruke by, but you're surprised that

1182
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: they were super like knew who you were or were

1183
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: starstruck by you.

1184
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, oh man, this dude he knows

1185
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: who I am.

1186
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: Someone comes up there, I'm a big fan of you, Like, bro,

1187
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: you're you right?

1188
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Charles Woodson in here early, He's like oh yeah,

1189
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: busting with the boys on night, Charles.

1190
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to like, we got a call. I'm

1191
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: trying to think. I think it was I think it

1192
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: was jay Z. We got a call because he went

1193
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: to Jersey. He wore it in the in the video

1194
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: he's in a he's in there, like he wearing a

1195
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: bunch of videos. This was like, you know, late nineties, Jay,

1196
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: maybe early two thousand and j one of my one

1197
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: of one of my jerseys is.

1198
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: In his video.

1199
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

1200
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: Like I was like me, like my jersey. You know cats,

1201
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: cats from New York. They don't want to Yeah, they

1202
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: don't want to outside of Jersey when you're from New

1203
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: York there wearing all New York and stuff.

1204
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: That is sick. Anthony. Should we ask him anything before

1205
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: we leave? Before we head out? Is he still in there?

1206
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, question.

1207
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like so many of these texts, Okay, all right,

1208
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: we have uh before we let you go talk about

1209
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: a drug free world.

1210
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I know we've been having some good times here,

1211
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: but as you guys see, like uh, I literally I

1212
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: went to talk to some high schoolers and and these

1213
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: kids man there, they have no idea, they have no

1214
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: idea fitting all in drugs, what's going on? And they're curious.

1215
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: And a lot of the times, as you know, we

1216
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: were kids, the many, the many of your parents or

1217
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: somebody said say, don't do what do you do?

1218
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: You do?

1219
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: Curious And we've just taken a different approach. I tell people,

1220
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: go to drug freeworld dot org. We're not gonna tell

1221
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: you to say. We're not gonna We're not gonna tell you.

1222
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: We're not gonna tell you that don't do. We're gonna

1223
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: tell you educate yourself. Like just like you use Google,

1224
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: go to our site, get the information. Don't let your

1225
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: friend tell you this drug made me feel like this

1226
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: and then you try it and you die or something

1227
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: crazy happens. Literally, we have educator kids information, anything and

1228
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: everything under the sun that you would need just to

1229
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: understand before you try it. What's out there for you?

1230
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 4: But what uh, what got you into that?

1231
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: I just I grew up around drugs and listen, I

1232
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: made it to the Hall of Fame. And I wasn't

1233
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: the best player on my team in high school. There's

1234
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: I wasn't the best player at my community.

1235
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you seem like you played every position. I

1236
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: would almost assume that you were probably the best player.

1237
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't.

1238
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: Here's six games.

1239
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: The best. The best guy sometimes didn't show up. You know,

1240
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: he was cool, he was smoking weed, he was cool,

1241
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: he was you know, and then eventually you know that

1242
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: guy was the guy. You know, after my rookie year,

1243
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: I go back home. He's the guy on drugs.

1244
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 4: You know.

1245
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: It's like, so, you know, what do you do? What

1246
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: do you do? How you let people know? I believe

1247
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: the best way to let people know is by educating

1248
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: him and giving him the opportunities to, like, Hey, at

1249
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: your own liberties. Go to the site drug freeworld dot org.

1250
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: Get the information, make the right decision.

1251
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: Was it just like an area that just touched you

1252
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 4: to be like, I want to like get in the

1253
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 4: space or was there anything?

1254
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: I was always in the space. I grew up around it.

1255
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: I grew up around it.

1256
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: You know it.

1257
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: It has touched me deeply. You know, I've lost many

1258
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: of friends. I've had family members partake and have issues,

1259
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, and and recover, you know, to live a

1260
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: better life. But everybody don't make it. Everybody don't know

1261
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: how you.

1262
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: Know in your experience, do you approach conversations like that

1263
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: with somebody close to you that you would you know,

1264
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: it's like you want to immerse yourself into their world

1265
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: and try to help them out, but you struggle like

1266
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: bridging that gap.

1267
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 4: For people that are like watching right now.

1268
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: I know, I think of a couple of situations in

1269
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: my circles where you're like, you're just trying to find

1270
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: the lane of like getting them the help they getting

1271
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: them the help they need, I guess without like being

1272
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: like forcing yourself onto them, like in your experience, Like

1273
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: what advice would you.

1274
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 4: Have with that?

1275
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: What I what I, what I say is and what

1276
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to do is anything anything that we

1277
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: we find ourselves needing in life. You gotta find out why,

1278
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: like well why do I like that? Why why do

1279
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: I need to do this? What? What is this masking?

1280
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: Because it's masking something, And if you can get down

1281
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: to the core, then you can solve the problem. And

1282
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: the reality is they might not want to. They might

1283
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: not want the problems solve. They might like how they live,

1284
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: how they live their life. And when that's when that's

1285
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: the case, then you you got to back off because

1286
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: until they are ready, it's not gonna happen. You can't

1287
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: make it happen for them. I can't make it happen

1288
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: for them. They have to be ready.

1289
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the hardest part, right it is.

1290
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to get somebody to get another their

1291
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: own way.

1292
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 4: And like backing up when you're just like, you know,

1293
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: you care about somebody and you're you.

1294
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, because anytime that type of situation where you're

1295
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: dealing with somebody that's using or abusing, it's like you

1296
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: want to help them. But usually with people that are

1297
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: abusing something, when you go in approach them with that situation,

1298
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: it's usually met with resistance and it ends up and

1299
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: it killed the messenger type of situation.

1300
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you go around and speak a lot?

1301
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. And you know, the the idea is

1302
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: that it's it's just street drugs. It's not just street drugs.

1303
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's some prescription drugs that's that's out here.

1304
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, prescription drugs are a whole another ballgame, like

1305
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: they're i mean playing. Obviously, you get in there, they

1306
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: give you a couple of pills, right, Hey, this is

1307
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna make it feel ahole better. You take it and

1308
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I get it. I understand why people

1309
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: get addicted to these things and their lives easily end

1310
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: up getting ruined because it is I mean, it's a deal.

1311
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a deal.

1312
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 4: It's awesome that you're going to do that too.

1313
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Like you were obviously pivotal and influence on the field

1314
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: first bout Hall of Famer, and so you have influence

1315
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: beyond that, And it's really cool to hear that you

1316
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: go around and speak and and try to you know,

1317
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: advise and mentor and speak to kids because you're you know,

1318
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: you're Marshall fuk bro, you are Marshall fulk.

1319
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: Got to use the platform for you know, others, just

1320
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: other than just making money. Yeah, yeah, you gotta make

1321
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: a difference to in this world, no question.

1322
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: Last one, hang on, hang on, right before he goes

1323
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer, What was it like that

1324
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: knock on your door? However it happened? Were you expecting

1325
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: or in your head or you like, I am a

1326
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer. So let's see how this

1327
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: shakes up.

1328
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell you the story, all right, It's

1329
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: just a true story. But this was before the knock.

1330
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 2: This is like you gathered with your with your family

1331
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: and friends. They announced it, they brought you to the

1332
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: super Bowl and then you would you would go meet

1333
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: somewhere and they would do like a press conference wherever

1334
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: that wherever that was for the people that was that

1335
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: decided to come.

1336
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 4: And I was.

1337
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: Like, I was so sure, Like I was like, there's

1338
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: no way that I'm not getting in, no way, you know.

1339
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: That's all I kept thinking. And my my agent did

1340
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: a deal with Anheuser Bush being out. It was in

1341
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: Saint Louis at the time, the headquarters and at the

1342
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: butt Light Hotel when the butt Light when when when

1343
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: Bud used to be when an Bush was the when

1344
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: but was the beer, but Light was the beer. At

1345
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 2: the NFL, they had a hotel like the bottom floor.

1346
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we packed it with two three hundred people

1347
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: that's there, you know, and we're watching and I'm and

1348
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm standing and as they come on and they getting

1349
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: ready to call the names the first time ever, I thought,

1350
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name? I'm standing there, like,

1351
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name?

1352
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 4: Like we just got all these people here at the

1353
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 4: boy here.

1354
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, and when I think back, I'm like, man,

1355
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: that's like somebody saying no running away at the altar.

1356
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, oh my god,

1357
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name?

1358
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: You start living tactically like at all the exits, like

1359
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: where's the easiest way out of here if they don't

1360
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: call my name? Try to figure out.

1361
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then man, like three names in they said

1362
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: my name.

1363
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, Yeah, I got in

1364
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 4: your head too much, oh man.

1365
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: And from there, from there, literally they wherever you're at

1366
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 2: because you tell you got to tell them where you're

1367
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: gonna be. Car pulled up, takes me to the place,

1368
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: take me to the place where they're doing the interview,

1369
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: and on the ride, like your football life is literally

1370
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: playing in your head from your literally coach, your high

1371
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: school coach. Things that people taught you, things like how

1372
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: many people had been on this journey with you to

1373
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: end up, you know, in this place like like hold

1374
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: on wait, like there's at the time, like there's only

1375
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: two hundred and like sixteen, like two hundred and seventy

1376
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: five of these got and I'm one of them. Like

1377
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: are you kidding me?

1378
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? Man?

1379
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: Like that that like it starts to dawn on you.

1380
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: Regardless of how confident you are, you look at it

1381
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: like damn like that's you know that, that's that's pretty

1382
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: damn neat.

1383
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 4: It's forever, I mean.

1384
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's it. Like in reality,

1385
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: that's all we want to do is be remembered, like

1386
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: right and now to know that, now, to know forever

1387
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: generations can go identify with me as their relative or

1388
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: you know, like like that's then there's a place.

1389
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah in Ohio. Man, thank you so much.

1390
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: It's a good fellow.

1391
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a man sometimes appreciate you making the time.

1392
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: Man, this is right on. Thank man. That was awesome. Anthony.

1393
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: All thanking Anthony.

1394
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 4: We have