1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not? Twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and we here at Breaking Points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: it means the absolute world to have your support. What 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: are you waiting for? Become a premium subscriber today at 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. When do we have Christal? Indeed, 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: we do so many things to get to this morning. 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: We've got the big Twitter file release and the reaction 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: to that release, which in many ways was as interesting 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: as the info in the release itself. We also have 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: to weigh in on the Kanye West Alex Jones interview. 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: I know you guys have seen this at this point, 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: but there are some new developments and we all felt 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: compelled to give our own take on it. Democrats are 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: positioning themselves to rig the primaries even harder for Joe Biden. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: Have the details of that the states that they are 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: putting in what order and what the timing of that 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: is likely to look like. We also have some new information, 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: not that this will surprise anyone, but that Sam bekman 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Fried was lying out of his ass when he was 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: talking to the New York Times and other contexts as well. 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: And we have an interesting media fail. I mean, it's 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: an interesting story to start with. There were some indications 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: from the Iranian regime that they may be getting rid 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: of their morality police. But the way that news outlets 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: ran with this without any of the sort of mitigating 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: language and possibility that this is just a faint or 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: that it's not happening Villia at all, is also an 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: interesting story. We have Rokana here listed in the chiron 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: you can see there at the bottom. He's going to 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: be coming into the studio a little bit later. Though 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: he was named in the Twitter files, actually comes off 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: looking quite good. Of everybody in the Twitter files, he 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: comes off looking the best. We're going to talk to 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: him about what they reveal, but that will be sort 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of separate. We'll post that later separately from the show 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: because we're talking to him a little bit later. But 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: before we get to any of that live show, put 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: it up there on the screen last time that you 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: will hear it from me, folks, December sixth and December seventh. 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: We have a great show planned for everybody. What did 46 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: you call it, Crystal, The year End Spectacular Spectacular. Yeah, 47 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: we've got Yeah, we've been working on some like year 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: end superlatives that we're gonna unveil, which I'm actually kind 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: of excited about once I started jumping in. It's going 50 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: to be fun. We've been building the graphics and coming 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: up with some even more new stuff, so I think 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna have a great time. Boston and New York 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: City December sixth, December seventh, Tomorrow, Counterpoints will be sitting 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: in for us here at the Breaking Points tests, so 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: don't worry. You'll still have full shows and premium subs 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: will have access of course to the full shows that 57 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: we do at our live shows. We're looking forward to 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: meeting everybody there in person, in New York and in Boston. 59 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: I'm excited Christmas in New York. It's a magical time. Yeah, 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be super fun. A little bit different from 61 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: our other shows too, since we're gonna and by the way, 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, when we're in New York. We should be 63 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: getting Georgia rop results and live on the stake, live 64 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: on the stage, so that could be breaking while we're 65 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: there with you. And like I said, we've got a 66 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: bunch of like sort of special urend activities planned that 67 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, we sort of dragged Kyle and Marshall reluctantly, 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: but they're gonna be good sports. Well they're gonna, Yes, 69 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: they better put a smile on their face after all 70 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: the hard work we put into to the show. Twitter, 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: so of course you guys want to know what's going 72 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: on with Twitter counterpoints to a fantastic job of breaking 73 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: this all down initially. But for those of you who 74 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: haven't paid attention just yet, let's put this up there 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: on the screen. We've basically pulled four different tweets from 76 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: Matt himself. He put out this tweet thread late on 77 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: Friday night, saying, thread the Twitter files. Now we pulled 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: what we thought were some of the most important ones 79 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: from these Twitter files, he said. By twenty twenty, requests 80 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: from connected actors to delete tweets for routine, one executive 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: would write to another more to review from the Biden team. 82 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: The reply would come back handled Furthermore, both parties had 83 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: access to these censorship tools. For instance, in twenty twenty, 84 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: requests from the Trump White House and the Biden campaign 85 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: were received and honored. However, any points to this led 86 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: public policy executives to send out polite WTF queries. Several 87 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: employees noted that there was tension between the comms and 88 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the policy teams who had quote little or less control 89 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: over moderation, and the safety and trust teams. And I 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: think really what comes through on the email so far 91 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: of what Matt has released here is just a complete 92 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: and total cluster, a inability to be grounded in principle 93 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: of clearly being scared off by the Wiki league's emails, 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: hair on fire, just paranoia without any grounding, crystal in 95 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: any sense of free speech, of the First Amendment, of 96 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: any consistent application of content moderation, and in both cases 97 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: are really gross, just like caving to both requests from 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: the Trump and the Biden team, which show you that 99 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: people at the top really can work the refs in 100 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: this way, which I don't think is appropriate. Now we 101 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: can talk about the Hunter stuff aside, like what exactly 102 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: what they were censoring, But yeah, you know, I do 103 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: also want to say on that front, though the Biden 104 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: team refuses to address the Hunter Biden laptop. Then they're like, oh, 105 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, it could be fake, and they're planting all 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: the stories. Meanwhile, though Hunter's dick pics, they're flagging for 107 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: the actual Twitter. Yeah, cont so is it real? Then? 108 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? Are you admitting that laptop is real? 109 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean the whole way they handled this with, you know, 110 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: just to give the backstory as a reminder here, The 111 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: reason that this is so significant is because they took 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: this just heavy handed, overt approach to censoring the New 113 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: York Posts reporting on this Hunter laptop information which the 114 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: Biden team never denied and which now long after the fact, 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: has been confirmed as real by multiple news outlets. And 116 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: yet you had this over the top effort by multiple 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: actors to portray this as this is Russian misinformation, has 118 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. We know, and I'll 119 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: get to this in a minute, but we know from 120 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: other reporting that you know there was and from what 121 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: Marcus Kerberg himself said that this was sort of flagged 122 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: by the FBI that's something like this might be coming out, 123 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: So we know there was some sort of government involvement there, 124 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: but you know, ultimately, yeah, I think, listen, it is 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: totally appropriate for dick pics of the candidate's son to 126 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: be taken down. But what this really reveals is the 127 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: fact that they didn't actually need the government telling them 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: what and how to censor, right. This is more a 129 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: story of corporate power, and that's that's why I think 130 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: these revelations are interesting. They add some texture and some 131 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: color to some things that we already knew about how 132 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: this process ultimately unfolded. But one of the most noteworthy 133 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: things that Tayebee found here is that there wasn't actually 134 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: that he could find in any of these files direct 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: government instruction or pressure to you know, handle the New 136 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: York Post story in the way that they did so. Instead, 137 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: as you said, Sager, the picture emerges more of a 138 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: total corporate cluster. It seems like the people who made 139 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the initial decision to label this as unsafe, to suspend 140 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: accounts that were sharing the information, to keep people even 141 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: from dming it to each other, which is a measure 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: that they normally only reserve for extreme circumstances, things like 143 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: child pornography. That decision seems to have been made by 144 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: people who potentially didn't really get that this was going 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: to be a political firestorm with far reaching implications. Jack Dorsey, 146 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: who was you know, head of Twitter at the time 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: but kind of an absentee owner, really wasn't read into 148 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: this whole situation as it unfolded. Then once they've already 149 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: taken these incredibly heavy handed approaches, then they start going, 150 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, what have we done? How do we 151 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: walk this bad? I'm not sure we can justify this, 152 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately ends with Jack himself posting a thread and 153 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: saying basically like, we fucked this up. So that's what 154 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: comes out here. I mean, you know, they talk about 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: both campaigns had access to these tools. I think that 156 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: the tool exist in that political candidates of either party 157 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: are given any sort of like special access to this 158 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: is not appropriate. There's clearly, like very little concern within 159 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Twitter about First Amendment implications. They're thinking more about like 160 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: their terms of service. And clearly, you know, you have 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: more Democrats than Republicans at Twitter, so they're more amenable 162 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: to like arguments coming from the left of center and 163 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party team, and you know, ultimately you 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: end up with this sort of catastrophic situation that they 165 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: more or less bumbled into. And that's kind of you know, 166 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: you have ideological actors, people like Vijayagotti, who clearly has 167 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: like an ideological view, and so she because everybody else 168 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: is just like chaos and sort of like flying by 169 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: the seat of their pants, it seems like she's able 170 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: to assert her will here. So the last thing I'll say, 171 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: because I do think this is really interesting, is you 172 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: have conservatives now who are sort of beginning to recognize 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: the problem with corporate power. You now have corporate boardrooms 174 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: that in certain instances you know culturally certainly are allied 175 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: against them. You know, some of these are just because 176 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: that's where the dollars are. That's like what the business 177 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: decision makes sense. And so you have this beginning of 178 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: a reckoning of oh my god, maybe these actors are 179 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: too powerful, but you don't have a fully fleshed out 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: critique of corporate power. So you end up with situations 181 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: like this where the reaction is more about these particular individuals, 182 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: like this is a good guy, this is a bad guy. 183 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: Elon's a good guy, if a Jayagad is a bad guy, 184 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: rather than looking over all the structure and saying like, 185 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: this is really bad for everyone to have these social 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: media companies having so much power, so much control, and 187 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: subject to the whims of one or two are a 188 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: handful of executive Well, it's so capricious, especially what comes 189 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: through on that yeah that they just have, They just 190 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: decided on a whim and you know, let's throw the 191 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: next one up there on the screen. Because this is 192 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: where it all becomes important. From Ken Klippenstein and Leif 193 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Bong's great reporting about the truth Cops and the specific 194 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 1: coordination at least at the subgovernmental agency level of the 195 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,359 Speaker 1: DHS and of social media companies flagging what is misinformation, 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: what's not misinformation? At one point even flagging like Afghan 197 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: withdrawal stories is potential misinformation. I think I think this 198 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: actually shows you, which is that the FBI the DHS 199 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: can shape the environment under a bipartisan administration, as they 200 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: did under the Trump administration by coming to Facebook and 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: coming to Twitter and saying, hey, we know that there's 202 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: going to be some hack operation, possibly in the waning 203 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: days of the election, and that's what puts Facebook and 204 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Twitter on hair trigger alert, which effectively leads Facebook. You know, 205 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: Facebook doesn't get enough scrutiny. They basically made it unfindable 206 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: on their platform, so they may not abandon, but that's 207 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: still pretty bad. Well, I mean that's straight to data too. Frankly, 208 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: a much more intelligent approach from a like PR perspective, 209 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: because what Twitter did was so brazen and so undeniable 210 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: and so heavy handed. It would have been much more 211 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: intelligent for them just to suppress the news, which is 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: something that you know they do all the time, and 213 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: that Elon himself is floated actually doing more something that 214 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: YouTube does, something clearly that Facebook does as well. So 215 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: it's like, we're just gonna make it so that this 216 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: doesn't get shared all that much. But you're going to 217 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: sound like a conspiracy theorist if you're out there talking 218 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: about like shadow bands and algorithmic suppression, and you're never 219 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: going to be able to really prove it because none 220 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: of this is transparent. WHAT'SOAP and that is the gateway 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: into the apparatus which is only being built more so 222 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty onward. A flagging quote misinformation. Who knows 223 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: what these people are down ranking and explicitly shadow banning 224 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I do hope it should be some 225 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: sort of catalysts towards taking the power out of these 226 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: people's hands and just saying, look, clearly this is not working. 227 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: The Trump team can work the refs. The Biden team 228 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: can work the refs, I mean the Biden stuff. You know, 229 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: clearly doxing actually is illegal, and posting private communications and 230 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: private photos and all of that. Okay, fine, so under 231 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: a very consistent standard uncontroversial content moderation, and should that 232 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: be taken down immediately? That said, out of that, like 233 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: where's the line come from? You know, with emails from 234 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: the laptop which were immediately blocked. Also, the White House 235 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: Press Secretary's account was literally locked by Twitter, which they 236 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: point to in the Twitter files. This is outrageous. We 237 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: have got to come to some form of decision making 238 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: tree where they don't even have the ability to work 239 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: on this. And because absent that, in the vacuum, you 240 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: have everybody, people in power, celebrities, even Tayebi says, working 241 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And you also clearly have Vijayagatte and 242 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: this other fellow Eoel Roth who's given an interview yesterday 243 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: to Kara Swisher at the Times. And it's amazing to 244 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: me unrepentant. This man is continues to defend taking down 245 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the babylon b account. Could he wanted to ban the 246 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: libs of TikTok account defends booting Trump off the platform, 247 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: basically reveals one to take Trump off the platform one 248 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: hundred days previously to January sixth, when he was an 249 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: active candidate for president of the United States. All again, 250 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: these such people, they should not have the power to 251 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: make this decision at a global level, and I think 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: that perhaps this could be a catalyst for that, I hope. 253 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: So let me just say one thing, one more thing 254 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: about what was revealed in these threads, and what I 255 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: think the most important takeaway is it's that it didn't 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: actually require the government getting involved for this to be 257 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: an issue. And that's really, to me, the crux of 258 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: the problem here is corporate power. It's monopoly. It's the 259 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: fact that whether it's Elon Musk or Jack Dorsey or 260 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: Vijayagatti or Mark Zuckerberger, whoever it is, you can't just 261 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: have all of these decisions which are really important in 262 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: terms of having a functioning democracy. I mean, ultimately, that 263 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: is the reality. It mattered that this New York Post 264 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: story was censored. God only knows what else they were 265 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: doing behind the scenes, and what information was being suppressed 266 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: and what was being elevated and all of that. You 267 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: should not have these really critical and sometimes truly very 268 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: difficult and very borderline decisions being made in secret by 269 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: a handful of individuals. At the very least, we should 270 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: have transparency and so you know, there we're going to 271 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: get to the reaction to this, which was revealing it 272 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: and of itself. I think, elon, you know, I don't 273 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: know that he had like pure motives and releasing all 274 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: of this. I think he was trying to distract from 275 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: some other stuff. But what does it matter? I mean, 276 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: I think it is important to have as much information 277 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: about how all of this works and how it all 278 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: went down at that time, in real time as possible, 279 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: so that we can think more clearly about what the 280 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: best solutions are to dealing with what is an issue 281 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: of corporate power? What is an issue of you know, 282 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: when you have total lack of transparency and back channeling 283 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: from the federal government, which, as we put up the 284 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: report from Ken Clippenstein, we do know from other reporting 285 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: was happening in other instances as well. How do we 286 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: actually deal with that in a democratic society, so that 287 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: we can all have a say and how these lines 288 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: are drawn, and you know what falls on which side 289 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: of the line. Revenge porn of Hunter Biden that should 290 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: be taken down. I don't think anyone serious would argue 291 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: that that should ultimately be left up. The question is 292 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: should any of these candidates have special access, special ability 293 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: to work the refs at a company is important as Twitter. 294 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I would say that the answer to that is now, yeah, 295 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: I completely agree. Okay, let's go to the next part here, 296 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: which is that you are not going to see nuanced 297 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: discussion of this from many figures on the left and 298 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: right wing media, So we aggregated some of the absolute 299 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: worst reactions from both sides. One of our favorite segments, 300 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: always to do this slips up there on the screen. 301 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Here are five of the worst reactions from most embarrassing 302 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: reactions to the Tayibi Twitter thread from Ben Collins. Imagine 303 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: throwing it all away to do pr work for the 304 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: richest person in the world. Humiliating shit wjat Ali Matt Tayibi. 305 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: What sad, disgraceful downfall. I swear kids, he did good 306 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: work back in the day should be a cautionary tale 307 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: for everyone selling your soul to the richest white nationalists 308 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: on earth. That's an interesting one. What he'll eat well 309 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: for the well, he'll eat ail for the rest of 310 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: his life. I guess is it worth it? Mehdi imagine 311 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: volunteering to do online pr works for the which world's 312 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: riches person on Friday night in service of a nakedly 313 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: cynical right wing narrative pretending you're speaking truth to power. 314 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Chris Hayes Watching some of the most famous, most powerful, 315 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: and richest men red pill themselves into disaster pretty wild. 316 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: And then finally, what is that? Watching Matt's unbelievable fall 317 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: into lazy reaction or a commentator and now pr hand 318 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: for the Raal Sturgis man is depressing. Did they all 319 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: get the same note or something? Yeah, Money tweeted something 320 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: out and then every just ran with it. I mean, 321 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: what this is dise This is one of the things 322 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: that bothered me about this reaction is you can feel 323 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: any way that you want to feel about Matt Tayibe, 324 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: But first of all, I didn't really I just genuinely 325 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,479 Speaker 1: don't understand. If you look at this from a principled perspective, 326 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: how this is quote feeding right wing narratives. I think 327 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: it's a story about corporate power and abuse that seems 328 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: to me like an American problem. Frankly, I mean, it 329 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: really shouldn't be left or right issue. It's something that 330 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: the Republican base is increasingly concerned about. As we've tracked 331 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: on this show, a few Republican elites have at least 332 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: verbally and rhetorically made some sort of feint towards concern 333 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: over this as well. You do have a little bit 334 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: of bipartisan action on antitrust, even though that's still you know, 335 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: predominantly on the left. But if you just look at 336 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: this from the principles of it, I don't understand why 337 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: this is a quote unquote right wing narrative. In fact, Rokana, 338 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: who we're going to talk to you later today, pops 339 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: up in this chain of files to say, hey, there's 340 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's real free speech concerns here, and I'm 341 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: concerned about the First Amendment how this is being applied. 342 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, like the way that you're 343 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: censoring this, I think that you're drawing a lot of 344 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: attention to something. Have the exact opposite intended effect, and 345 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: I think that's true. I mean, the way they handled 346 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: this made this story so much more famous and so 347 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: much bigger than it ultimately would have been had they 348 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: handled it in like a normal rational type of way. Yeah. 349 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: And let me also stay on the journal front. This 350 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: is just called journalism, folks. Listen, you know, as Matt 351 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: also put it. You know, are these the same people, 352 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: their mouthpieces for the CIA and the FBI accusing somebody 353 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: of doing PR. It's ludicrous and I don't even think 354 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: Matt did PR in any way. Yes, Look, Elon clearly 355 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: is a fan of Matt Tayibi first perspective of being 356 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: anti stablishment. That's fine, Okay, So what does Matt do. 357 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: He takes the files, He doesn't immediately release them, takes 358 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: ninety six hours, calls several sources, doesn't release all the 359 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: files and mass like a publisher. He actually aggregates and 360 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: puts out reporting on each individual slide, including information contextualizes 361 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: it within a broader narrative. That's called journalism. I mean, 362 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: what are we pretending that they wouldn't take files from 363 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Apple or whomever. Sources always have ideological motivations. You're not 364 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: doing pr for them. Whenever you take newsworthy information, add 365 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: context to it, and put it out into the discourse. 366 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: As you also say, it's not like it is selectively 367 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: cherry picked or edited files. And if it is, then 368 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: we should be revealed as such to everybody. Look, we 369 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: will find out more soon and said he's also given 370 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: him over to Barry Weiss. I'm looking forward to reading 371 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: and to seeing anything newsworthy of these people put out. 372 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: There's also a new narrative going on right now, Crystal, 373 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: that these Twitter employees are quote being doxed because their 374 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: names are out there. Give me a break, Like you 375 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: people were some of the most powerful in American politics 376 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: for a three month period at the center of a story. 377 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: You're a public figure. Now I'm sorry that your name 378 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: is out there. However, accountability responsibility exists, like your name 379 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: was already publicly known, especially Vijayagadael Roth, many of these 380 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: other figures, and any executive who had anything to say 381 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: in this decision, well, welcome to politics. Like I don't 382 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: know what to tell you should have gotten a different job. 383 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: Like the idea that we are quote endangering their lives 384 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: by talking publicly about who these people are you made 385 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: a decision that was in the public interests. I personally 386 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: would make it so that you never were in the 387 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: You were never in that sphere in the first place, 388 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: but we are in it now. So I don't know 389 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: what to tell you. Yeah, you accepted these positions of 390 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: power and responsibility, and I'm sure the you know, compensation 391 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: that came with it, and so now you're afraid of 392 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: like any public scrutiny of your decision making. I want 393 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: to underscore because I think what you said soccer is 394 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: really important about the fact that, you know, reporters take 395 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: information from sources who have an ax to grind and 396 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: ideological motivation all the time. Yes, all the time. Yeah, 397 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean the number of stories that reporters are being 398 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: fed from the Biden team, from the Trump team, from whoever, 399 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: trying to get out there their narrative and their you know, 400 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: ideological mirror. I mean, obviously the deep state is doing 401 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: this all the time, trying to mold and shape the discourse. 402 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: And what a good journalist does is they take that information, 403 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: they consider the source and the acts they have to 404 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: grind or whatever their ideological inclination is. They balance that 405 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: against whatever is out there and then they release it 406 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: to the public in a way that you know, provides 407 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: the facts and isn't landed towards once the other. But 408 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: to say, like, if your source has some sort of 409 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, as to grind or ideological inclination or some 410 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: reason motivation to get this information out there, that you 411 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: should just ignore it and not put it out there, 412 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: that's just counter to what journalism ultimately is. So I 413 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: think there was a real uh. I also, I don't 414 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: understand why there's a freak out about just having an 415 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: information out there to me understanding more seeing in real time, 416 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, Ultimately, it looks like what happened with the 417 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden thing was more a story of like corporate 418 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: incompetence and failing to understand the impact of this decision 419 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: a few ideological actors who sort of like grabbed the 420 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: reins an absentee owner. So oftentimes what looks like more 421 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: of a grand conspiracy ends up just being like incompetence 422 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: and a cluster. And that's what I really got out 423 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: of these files ultimately, And I think it's useful to 424 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: have that information again if we're going to think seriously 425 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: about how to deal with these problems. At this point, 426 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: don't I have seen very few people who are still 427 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: willing to defend the actions that Twitter took with regards 428 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: to this New York Post story. Everybody acknowledges like this 429 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: was a total disaster, So why wouldn't you want to 430 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: get under the hood of like how did this happen? 431 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: So we can make sure that things are handled in 432 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: a more intelligent, rational and balanced way going forward. Absolutely so, 433 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: we also have aggregated some humiliating right wing rants put 434 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. We got some really 435 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: good ones that our producers put together. The Twitter files 436 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: prove how radical leftis manipulate policy to silence conservatives. The 437 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: traders must need to be investigated immediately. It doesn't take 438 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: a rocket scientist just realize that the Hunter Biden laptop 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: was suppressed by Twitter in order to help Biden. But 440 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: it did take a rocket engineer to buy Twitter and 441 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: to get the files released. So Eric bulla great stuff 442 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: so far, Elon, they're powerful, evil people who don't want 443 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: this to see the light of day. People watchful eye 444 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: on or six. I cannot wait for tomorrow's drop and 445 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: then finally, truth will ultimately prevail where pain is taken 446 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: to bring it. I mean, I saw people calling people 447 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: be impeached over this. I saw people saying this was 448 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: the greatest presidential scandal in the history of the country. 449 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean literally literally, they're saying, even though Trump was president, 450 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: Biden wasn't even president then, guys. I mean, by the way, 451 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign, they may have had less of their 452 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: request honored, but they were doing the same shit. So 453 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with that? I mean, the 454 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: attempt to paint this as like the greatest, most bombshell 455 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: revelation in the history of the earth was sort of absurd. 456 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: A lot of this, like I said, was sort of 457 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: a little more texture on things that we kind of 458 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: already knew. The biggest original bombshell was just the handling 459 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: of this laptop material to start with. In some ways, 460 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: what comes out of these is I would say, significantly 461 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: less of a bombshell than some of the reporting that 462 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: say Ken Klippenstein has ultimately done. So the attempt to 463 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this is like public ending 464 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: and Biden needs to be impeached over it, and also, 465 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: by the way, to totally ignore that the Trump campaign 466 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: is doing the same thing on the other side, was 467 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: incredibly silly. And then we also have my personal favorite, 468 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: Yes this is really next level, a GOP rep calling 469 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: for violent or candidate openly calling for violent revolution over 470 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop. Now he says, quote, it is 471 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: only by bullets now, So no longer get rid of 472 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: tyranny by the ballots. It's only by bullets now. Everybody 473 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: just calmed down. Yes we think it's bad, Yes we 474 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: are looking at a much deeper conversation around corporate power, etc. 475 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think that any of that is necessary. 476 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: And then finally, you can always leave it to Donald 477 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: Trump to have the absolute worst reaction to all of this, 478 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: and he certainly fulfilled everybody's expectations. So let's put this 479 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: up there on the screen from Truth Social quote. So, 480 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: with the revelation of massive and widespread fraud in deception 481 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: and working closed with big tech companies, the DNC and 482 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, do you throw the presidential election results 483 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty out and declare the rightful winner or 484 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: do you have a new election? A massive fraud of 485 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, 486 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our Great 487 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: founders in quotes, did not want and would not condone 488 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: false and fraudulent elections. Just absolute peak cream from Trump there. 489 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: I really don't even know what to say. I mean, 490 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: I've seen it quite a bit of a media freak 491 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: out on this. You know what the deeper story is 492 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: to me? Couldn't even keep his mouth shut for what 493 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: two weeks on his insanity? Yeah, it is amazing. I 494 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: remember actually saying that during his live stream. I was like, man, 495 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: this was a boring and a muted speech by Trump. 496 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: He feels defeated because the midterm results and clear rejection 497 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: of MAGA. However, trump idiocy you can always bet to 498 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: surface on a like it's like the fight end quote. 499 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: On a long enough timeline, Trump's idiocy will surface and 500 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: become the predominant story. What is the first major story 501 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: after his election? Nickquentez and the Kanye West dinner and 502 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: then now calling for a suspension of the constitution to 503 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: hold a quote new election result. I do think it's 504 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: important he does believe the shit people. I mean, I 505 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: think we need to take that away. Is overtly calling 506 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: for overturning the constitution, and I mean the most embarrassed 507 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: like I don't think anyone's surprised that he will just 508 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: casually be like, yeah, let's get rid of the Constitution, 509 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: because you know, Twitter censored an article in a way 510 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: I didn't like and took down Hunter's dick pics. But 511 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: it also really exposes that for all this talk of 512 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: like all Republicans are moving beyond Trump and you know 513 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: DeSantis has a real shot and all this stuff, they 514 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to say about this. But even as 515 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: people are supposed to be moderate, it's this dude Republican 516 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: Ohio represent of Dave Joyce, who's like the head of 517 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: some like problem solvers type caucus that's called something different 518 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: on the Republican side, but anyway, that type of centrist group, 519 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: Republican Governance Group, that's what it's called. He got asked 520 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: about this on the Sunday shows and he's like, that's 521 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: not a deal breaker that he said he wants to 522 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: overturn the Constitution. None of them wanted to say anything 523 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: about it, And it just shows you, like the Trump 524 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: pull is still everything in the GOP. He is still 525 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: the center of gravity. So even when he says the 526 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: most unhinged, like overtly authoritarian things, they don't have anything 527 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: to say about it. It's the same people who are 528 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: like Biden should be impeached over asking for a hunter 529 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: dicktics to be taken down when he wasn't even president, 530 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: are silent on the form of president, being like, let's 531 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 1: overturn the Constitution. I also look at it and more 532 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: met at political which is A has no discipline and 533 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: B it's like have fun with that. You know. One 534 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: of the things I think everybody underestimated in this election 535 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: was voter's complete and total abhorrence of election denialism and 536 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: specifically trump craziness and on this good luck Trump. You know, 537 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: for a while it did genuinely seem as if you 538 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: were teflon. But Americans seemed finally to just say, like, no, 539 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: we've actually had enough. Personally, I think it's because people 540 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: took it seriously. You know, previously Trump would say crazy stuff, 541 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: but it was you know, the actual impact of it. 542 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: Nobody knew. Everybody watched January sixth. More importantly, I think 543 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: everybody saw that if he had the ability to return 544 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: the election yet, he would have done done it. And 545 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: so then people are like, Okay, I have no choice 546 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: but to take this seriously, because it's backed up by action. 547 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: It's backed up by a concerted political movement to set 548 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: up the infrastructure to try and deny the results of 549 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, twenty twenty two elections, should it 550 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: are twenty twenty four, should it go against the desired result? 551 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: And so voters acted accordingly. Now you're out there talking 552 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: about suspending the constitution. I just simply have no choice 553 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: but to conclude, based on the election results that people 554 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: think this one hits differently than stuff that he used 555 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: to say in twenty sixteen and even before January sixth 556 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty. I think that's a great point. Yeah, 557 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. And you could see 558 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: the more that candidates snuggled up to him and embraced 559 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: that kind of rhetoric, the more they were punished at 560 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: the polls in state after state, but they still won 561 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Republican primaries. I mean's and that's the problem the Republican 562 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: Party is dealing with right now. Is I think for 563 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: a general electorate deal killer right. I mean, even if 564 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: Biden is in a stronger position at this point, but 565 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: even if he is like significantly weak and going into 566 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: the next round, people are going to look at this 567 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: kind of insanity, and he is significantly more unhinged, like 568 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: by the week too, like you know, posting Q and 569 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: on crap and just very disconnected like in this Echochain 570 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: hard fringe echo chamber where you end up having dinner 571 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes. I think it's a 572 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: problem for the general election, for the you know, for 573 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: the primaries. Clearly you can see in the lack of 574 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: response to this type of rhetoric and the lack of 575 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: response to the the Kanye Nick Fuents dinner, there are 576 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: attempts to continue the same strategy of like, let's just 577 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: try not to talk about this dude that they have 578 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: not He is not. His hold on the party is 579 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: far from broken. So interesting how all of this has unfolded. 580 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, another story that we felt we needed 581 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: to weigh in on related to all of this, because ultimately, 582 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's a theory out there which I think 583 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: has some merit that part of why Elon wanted to 584 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: release these Twitter files now just from the fact that 585 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: he had banned Kanye West, which seems kind of anti 586 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: free speech. Although you know, we'll get into that piece 587 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: in a moment. But the reason this all came about 588 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: right now is because Kanye West now Yay, went on 589 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: Alex Jones's show along with his new buddy Nick Fuentes, 590 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: and there was no beating around the bush, there was 591 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: no plausible deniability, there was no anything. He just literally 592 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: goes full Nazi repeatedly says how much she loves Hitler, 593 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: why he loves Hitler, why he loves Nazis. Let's take 594 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: a listen to a little bit of that. I don't 595 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: want to study. I think Hitler was a really bad guy, 596 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: and I repudiate what Hitler did. Understand that the British 597 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: intelligence setting up and him. I like Hitler. I don't 598 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: like Hitler. I know you're trying to be shocking with that. 599 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be shocking. I like Hitler. I 600 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: do that the Holocaust is not what happened. Let's look 601 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: at the facts of that, and Hitler has a lot 602 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: of redeeming quality. It's the poison idiot. Well see, and 603 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: it says why people are evil Nazi. So I mean, 604 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I disagree with those statements, but I get those I 605 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: don't like to worry evil next to Nazis. I think 606 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: we need to look at and the Nazis might be 607 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: wor sugs, it should people down to a lot of 608 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: really bad things, but they did good things too. We're 609 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: gonna stop dissing the Nazis all the time. Okay, y, 610 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: I ain't never had a supermodel, yeah, cooktail. The Jewish 611 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: media has made us feel like the Nazis and Hitler 612 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: have never offered anything of value to the world. Okay, Well, 613 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: why would the Zionists be killing Jews in mass in 614 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: Israel with the boys and shot because they work for Satan. 615 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: They don't work for God exactly. And uh, you've got 616 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of the Hitler fetish going on. It's 617 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: not a fetish. It's not a fetish. That's a term 618 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: like I. I just love information. Can we just kind 619 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: of say, like, you like the you like the uniforms. 620 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: But that's about it. We we know there's a lot 621 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: of things that I love about Hitler, a lot of things. 622 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: Hey Nehon, what did you think about that? Netton? This 623 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: is insane. You are an insane person. That's a good 624 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: T shirt. I love Hitler. Bar, that's bar. Germans had 625 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: a really cool leader of one time, Oh my god, 626 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: and he didn't kill six million Jews. That's just like 627 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 1: factually incorrect. But for the ADL, I want to say, 628 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good Nazis that were just fighting 629 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: for their country and for them all by George Soros 630 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: are doing for them all to get put in a box. 631 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: They're all in a box. Every Nazi is bad. Well, 632 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 1: could some of the Nazis have just been fighting for 633 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: their country? Oh they're all, Oh, we can't, we can't 634 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: put them all in a box. Benjamin Yahoo, Blake, Danye 635 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: watch today, Hey man, what do you want? Hey Yay 636 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Wow goes when I'm saying, this is disgusting, it's deplorable, 637 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: it's historically wrong. I mean, the Nazism is perhaps the 638 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: most evil ideology that human beings have ever come up with. 639 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: Hitler was a depraved killer. The Holocaust was real. Yes, 640 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust. It's and 641 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: it's also patently insane. For those of you who are 642 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: just listening to this. Just to paint the picture here, 643 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Yay is sitting there with a full black hood over 644 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: his face so you can't even see his face. By 645 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: the way, the weird like voice that he's doing, he 646 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: brought a net and a bottle that a fish bowl 647 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: net like what is that? Yes, something like that? And 648 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: a bottle of you Who chocolate milk. And he's saying 649 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 1: that this is a former and about to be future 650 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettin net In Yahoo you who insane? 651 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: He's who? He says, by the way, is trying to 652 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: murder him. And I mean, part of what I think 653 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: is worth saying at this point is number one, please stop, 654 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: please stop having this man on this. I mean, this 655 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: is all that you're gonna get, right. Lex Friedman tried 656 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: to talk him off the let can we talk about 657 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: individual people? Can we talk about like the facts of 658 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: what happened to you, rather than broadbrush demonizing an entire 659 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: group of people, which is absolutely deplorable and disgusting. He 660 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: complained about that in this interview. He is given every 661 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: chance by Alex Jones, who's really trying to give him 662 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: away out of this. He's you just like the uniforms, right, No, 663 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: I love Hitler, he says, right, you you know, I 664 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: don't like al Shin tries it. I don't like Nazis. 665 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: I think the mainstream media blah blah blah, goes in 666 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: his own conspiracy theories. No, I love Nazis. I mean, okay, 667 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: so we know what he's going to say at this point. 668 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: Please stop having this man on because he's also and 669 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: this doesn't excuse the behavior or the hatred or the 670 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: disgusting views. He is clearly in the middle of a 671 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: manic episode. He has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and 672 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: soccer just to read to you a few of the 673 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: hallmarks of bipolar disorder, of which he is clearly having 674 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: a textbook media episode on. You know all of these interviews. 675 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: Feeling unusually important, talented, or powerful is one indication feeling 676 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: able to do many things at once without getting tired, 677 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: racing thoughts, talking fast about a lot of different things, 678 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: so called flight of ideas. Okay, this is a man 679 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: who is mentally ill. If you you saw him on 680 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: the street, you would know that if he was anything 681 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: other than this sort of like celebrity god who we've 682 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: been taught to look up to, like they're so special, 683 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: and like, oh, they won the meritocracy race, so they 684 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: must be a genius. If it was anything other than that, 685 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: we would see this so clearly for ultimately what it 686 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: is again, that does not excuse the deplorable, disgusting views. 687 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: But what are we going to get at this point 688 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: from doing another interview with Jay West? This is who 689 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, No, it's clearly added like a massive 690 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: psychotic break. And I was going to say thank you 691 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: to the person who put that compilation clip together, and 692 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: just to underscore it, I mean to the crazy posting, 693 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: he continues, you know, on Instagram. Just late last night 694 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: he posted this quote. Am I the only one who 695 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: thinks Elon could be half Chinese? Have you ever seen 696 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: his picks as a child. Take a Chinese genius and 697 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: make them with the South African supermodel. We have Elon. 698 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: I say Elon because they probably made ten to thirty Elons. 699 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: He's the genetic hybrid that's stuck. Well, let's not forget 700 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: about Obama. I'm sorry for using curse words in church. 701 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't have another word for Obama yet, ya twenty four. 702 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: Let's unify and find out l U a fo. I mean, look, 703 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: as you said, like, it's almost difficult to be outraged 704 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: at hearing such thing, just because you can see how 705 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: much in the midst of like a genuine psychotic break 706 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: that the man is like, you know, disgusting and deplorable 707 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: views aside, and I honestly just felt like watching him 708 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: actually be used by the cynical grifting actors like Fuentes 709 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: and Milo, that is a level of you know, of 710 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: deplorable that is just far out racing almost even Kanye himself. 711 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: Candae as well effectively like stealing his money, right, getting 712 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: her husband's company, like bailed out by Kanye West, Yeah, 713 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: to purchase parlor. By the way, that deal fell apart 714 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: at this point, I mean attempted stealing his money and 715 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: grifting onto him. Also, Milo, it turns out either somebody 716 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: has had enough. We'll see put this up there on 717 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: the screen. He is officially leaving the campaign. He says, 718 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeay and I have come to the mutual conclusion I 719 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: should step away from his political team. Yeah is a 720 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: genius who I have come to love and respect. We 721 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: remain friends. I will continue to pray for ye and 722 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: all of his endeavors. Yes, he certainly will. I mean 723 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing is, if your whole business model is provocation, 724 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: someone is always going to be able to out provoke Youse. 725 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: And I mean that's part of what comes through in 726 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: these clips too. With Alex Jones, because I mean to 727 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: make Alex Jones squirm in his chair and try to 728 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: like and be the moderate and try to get you 729 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: to walk back from the ledge of the total insanity 730 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: that you're viewing is really something. But ultimately there's always 731 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: going to be someone who's willing to go full Nazi. 732 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: Apparently that person is Yay West and more appointedly Nick Fuentes, 733 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: who you don't hear from him in that compilation, but 734 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: he's just sitting there smiling and nodding the whole time, 735 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: the whole time, and so apparently, I mean, I guess 736 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: this was even too far for Milo Unopolis, who, again 737 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: his whole thing has always been being the concern to provocateur. 738 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, if that's your whole business model, is just 739 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: shocking people. There's always going to be someone who's willing 740 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: to push the envelope a little bit further than you are, 741 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, the gig is going to be up. 742 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: So disgraceful for Milo, disgraceful for Nick Fuentes. Not that 743 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: they had any shame to start with, No, yeah, of 744 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: course they have zero shame. In fact, this is their 745 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: only last chance of getting anybody to even say their 746 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: name on television. So good luck, folks. I think your 747 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: dig will be up in what two weeks or so, 748 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: eventually before the psychotic break it continues and they get fired, 749 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: disgraced in public. As for Kanye himself, the man needs help. 750 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: He's not going to reach it, you know, at this point, 751 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: I doubt it's even possible unless it's genuinely forced upon him, 752 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: as I understand that the laws on that are actually 753 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: quite difficult. And of course he has a ton of 754 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: money at his disposal. So he's his own worst enemy. 755 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: He's the person, as you said, you said this for 756 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: You're like, look, the man says, I refuse to take 757 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: my met so what are you supposed to do right 758 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: in a situation. I personally think, as you said, after 759 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: the lextreaman interview, and especially after walking off the Timpool 760 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: interview with Tim, it was like the slightest pushback, right 761 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: and he walks off the set. I'm like, look, what's 762 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: the point at this point? You know, let them let 763 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: him languish in his psychotic, you know, manic episode. He 764 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: can continue to post his way to idiocy. Now that said, 765 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: on a content moderation scheme, there is more to be discussed. Yes, 766 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: so let's go ahead and put this next part up 767 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: on the screen. So it is after this interview, Kanye 768 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: tweeted a symbol that included a swastika, and his account 769 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: was suspended by Elon Musk on Twitter. Now, the backstory 770 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: here is that Elon had just brought him back and 771 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: has you know, had this sort of blanket amnesty for people, 772 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: and so Kanye had just been brought back on to 773 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: the platform and then he tweets us out and there 774 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: was also some sort of back and forth between them 775 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: that was also released their text messages where Elon's basically like, Okay, 776 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: you went too far. And my understanding, I don't know 777 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: if this is still the case, is that this was 778 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: a temporary suspension because of the tweeting of the swastika. Now, 779 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: obviously everybody here finds the use of this hate symbol 780 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: to be utterly abhorrent. It is not something that you 781 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: should share. It is disgusting, you know, it is something 782 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: that is just completely deplorable. It is a hate symbol 783 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: in the way that he used it in specific, yes, 784 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: like he didn't use it as the Hindu symbol. Okay, 785 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: for the folks who were out there trying to be contrariant. 786 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: He put it inside of a Jewish star. I think 787 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: it was pretty damn clear what he was trying to 788 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: get to. However, Elon has portrayed himself as a free 789 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: speech absolutist, So what does that actually mean. Well, we'll 790 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: get to this in a minute. But as abhorrent and 791 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: hateful as the sharing of a swastika is, it has 792 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: actually been ruled by the Supreme Court as protected free speech. 793 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: So we'll get to that in a minute. Musk was 794 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: asked to justify Kanye's suspension. He says he did it 795 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: because the swastika image was an incitement of violence and 796 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: suggests it was a violation of US law. And the 797 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: commentary here is that swastikas are obviously problematic symbols, but 798 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm not aware that sharing them is a violation of 799 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: any US law, and in fact that it is not. 800 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: If we put up this next piece, I mean, this 801 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: is the most famous ACLU case of all time, where 802 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: you had lawyers at the ACLU, many of whom were Jewish, 803 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: by the way, who defended the right of the American 804 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: Nazi Party to march and display the swastika in Skokie, Illinois. 805 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, this was a town that had many Jewish 806 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: people in it, so this was obviously a disgusting and 807 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: inflammatory display by the American Nazi Party, an abhorrent, disgusting 808 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: group of people. But ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled on 809 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: the side of the American Nazi Party and their right 810 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: to march and to display the swastika, even though these 811 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: are hate symbols, even though it is hate speech, and 812 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: even though it is disgusting. Let me just read you 813 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: some of the specifics here they say the ACL you 814 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: famously defended the America Nazi Party's ability to protest in Skokie, Illinois, 815 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 1: including the display of swastikas. The Supreme Court has struck 816 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: down laws that have restricted offensive speech, such as the 817 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: wearing of swastikas in Village of skoky versus National Socialist 818 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: Party of America, but in a separate case Virginia versus Black, 819 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court declined to rule that crossburning was protected 820 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: expressive speech under the First Amendment when such an activity 821 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: was intended to intimidate, reasoning that sometimes it can constitute 822 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: a true threat. So that just gives you a little 823 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: bit more background of where the Supreme Court has drawn 824 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: the line. So, if you are a free speech absolutist, 825 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: if you're saying I am going to run this platform 826 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: consistent with the First Amendment and protection of free speech, 827 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: this action against Kanye, even though what he tweeted is 828 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: disgusting and deplorable, not something that anyone should defend, is 829 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: not consistent with those principles. Yeah, exactly, and I think 830 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: that's why it was important that we both set it 831 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: up with talking about how abhorrent, ridiculous, and disgusting his 832 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: views are. However, if Elon does say is a free 833 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: speech absolute udhist, this does violate a free speech absolutist policy, 834 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: and it highlights exactly what we were talking about in 835 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: the Twitter files, because when Elon was asked why this 836 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: was an incitement to violence, he said, well, I felt 837 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: incited to violence when I saw his tweet. It's like, well, 838 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 1: now you're actually just saying that everything is up to you. Look, 839 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to see widespread crying about this, and 840 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: that's why, you know, it feels somewhat uncomfortable even to 841 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: have to point this out, But it does show you 842 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: that principles matter for a reason, as the ACLU showed 843 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: us in the Skokie case in the first place, which 844 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: is trying to strike down and set a broad based 845 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 1: standard that can never be used against any dissenting group 846 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: in the future. Often happens in the edge cases in 847 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: areas where everybody can almost universally agree that it shouldn't exist. 848 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: And yet that does not mean that the government itself 849 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: can use those policies to quash speech that it just 850 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't like, even when it is abhorrent, as the 851 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: American Nazi Party. So it's a complicated situation, but I 852 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: think it highlights again even with Elon buying it, like 853 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: it's still up to him, he says, because he felt 854 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: inside it to violence, Like what does that even mean? 855 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything. He said something similar about his 856 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: decision to keep Alex Jones band. He also based it 857 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: on what was a tragic personal experience for Elon of 858 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 1: losing his first child as a baby, And so he said, 859 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, anyone I'm paraphrasing here, but basically like anyone 860 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: who would you know have anything to say about children 861 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: and cover this up like that's just I can't go there. 862 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: So again it was like his own personal view of 863 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: what crossed the line. And that's why listen, guys, you're 864 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: not going to find your answers in any particular person 865 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 1: or billionaire, even ones that claim to be free speech 866 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: out salutist. I do think because he did, you know, 867 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: it is not a comfortable thing to defend, you know, 868 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: Kanye West posting freaking swastika on Twitter. But Elon was 869 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: taking some heat and criticism over this from some of 870 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: the people who have been allies of his, and so 871 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: I do think that might have been one of the 872 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: reasons why he decides to ultimately put out these Twitter files. 873 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: That was one of the things that Glenn Greenwald suggested, 874 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: among others, But that could have been the motivation for 875 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: the timing right now, because it gets you talking about, Okay, well, 876 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: what was really revealed and what happened with the Hunter 877 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: Biden stuff. That doesn't mean that, you know, Tybe shouldn't 878 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: have covered it or put it out into the information ecosystem, 879 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: But I do think that might have been part of 880 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: the motivation for why right now they release these files. 881 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,479 Speaker 1: I think that's right. I just want to say again, 882 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: like it's not comfortable to sit here and talk about 883 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: how this violates like First Amendment speech. But yeah, that 884 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's not important. And I don't think 885 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: anyone could strue it as a defense of the Swasti 886 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: or the empirical Pazi Party or Kanye West, but simply 887 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: to say that there's much larger principle here that is involved. 888 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: And that's exactly I want to take an out of 889 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: the hands of these people for an individual decision. And 890 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: it's when the principle is uncomfortable that it matters the most. 891 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: That's when it actually matters in clear cut cases. Then 892 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,399 Speaker 1: you know it's easy and you know the public will 893 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent behind you. I have no doubt 894 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: that if you pull the American public about like you 895 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: know it should Bete westby Bando Riswaska. Probably we were 896 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: very much on the minority side of that view. But again, 897 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: that's when ultimately, like having the bedrock principles and having 898 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: them consistently adjudicated and having some sort of a democratic 899 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: process involved, matters the most. Yep, enough talking about Nazis. 900 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: I think for today, let's talk about the moves made 901 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: by the DNC and the Biden team to make it 902 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: easier for him to win a nomination potentially set things 903 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: up for Kama Hairs, although I continue to be a 904 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: little bit skeptical of that one. Let's go and put 905 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: this New York Times tear sheet up on the screen. 906 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: Democrats move a step closer to making South Carolina their 907 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: first primary so ever since the iowould disaster of the 908 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: last primer, which I'm sure you all probably remember, well, 909 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: they screwed up the counting. It was a total cluster, 910 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: just a mess all the way around. And then you 911 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: layer on top of that that Iowa is this very 912 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: white state and small populations. The state Democrats don't really 913 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: win anymore, even though you know in theory they should 914 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: be able to. There's been discussion about changing the order 915 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: of the primary states and about demoting Iowa in particular. 916 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: So what the Biden team has been pushing for is 917 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: a calendar that they think will be the absolute best 918 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: for them and for Joe Biden getting the Democratic nomination again, 919 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: which side note I think should tell you everything you 920 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: need to know about his intentions to run again. The 921 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: man is clearly going to run for president again. So 922 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: where it looks like things are landing After a day 923 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: long gathering of the DN Z's Rules and Bylaws Committee 924 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: is that South Carolina will replace Iowa as the very 925 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: first voting location. That would happen on February third, Then 926 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: very quickly afterwards you would have New Hampshire and Nevada. 927 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: So South Carolina's on February third, New Hampshire and Nevada 928 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: would be on February sixth, Then again very quickly after 929 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: that on February thirteen, you would have Georgia, and then 930 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: Michigan on February twenty seventh. So just so you know, 931 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: if you've forgotten the Democratic primary results from last time, 932 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: which you know are unfortunately burned into my head for 933 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: the end of time. Joe Biden did horrifically in Iowa, 934 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: did horrifically in New Hampshire, he did a little bit 935 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: better in Nevada, and then he absolutely romps in South Carolina, 936 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: and then he's off to the races for Super Tuesday. 937 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: So very clear why he would want to have South 938 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 1: Carolina first. It is the state in the country where 939 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: he feels like he has the strongest base of support, 940 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: so he could start off there. New Hampshire has in 941 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: their constitution that they have to go early and be 942 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 1: like the first caucas state, so I think they felt 943 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,919 Speaker 1: like they kind of had to keep New Hampshire up 944 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: early in the process, even though he did very poorly there. 945 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,919 Speaker 1: But he matches it with Nevada, which is another state 946 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: that he felt like he did pretty well in and 947 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: has strong Union support there, et cetera. Then you go 948 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: to Georgia, another southern state where he feels he'll do well, 949 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,919 Speaker 1: and Michigan, you know, russ Belt state, where he also 950 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: feels like he's pretty confident. So it's just blatant rigging. 951 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what There's really no other way 952 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: to put it. Ultimately, they are setting up the states 953 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: in exactly precisely the order and the pace that he 954 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: thinks will be best for him personally. Yeah, and you 955 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 1: found this. Let's put this next one up there on 956 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: the screen, which is actually also gives Kamala Harris an 957 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: edge in a future White House bid with putting South 958 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: Carolina up first. And we're not even making this a 959 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,439 Speaker 1: race thing. And part of the reason why is that 960 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: the South Carolina primary by and large over time has 961 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,240 Speaker 1: heavily favored establishment candidates. Now why do I say that, Well, 962 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: let's go to C three and this is why it 963 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: was important Barack Obama actually trailed Hillary Clinton in South 964 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: Carolina until he won the Iowa caucuses, meaning that a 965 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: lot of voters there felt that they could not back 966 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: Obama until he legitimized himself. In another context, if the 967 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: South Carolina primary had gone first into that thousand and eight, 968 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton would clearly have been the nominee in two 969 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. It is blatant and always has much 970 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: more of an establishment lean in the beginning, although they 971 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: have changed their mind after results in Iena in New Hampshire, 972 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: as we also saw in the twenty twenty primary for 973 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,359 Speaker 1: the Democrats. Given Pete Budajege's actually general overperformance, even though 974 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: he did terrible in South Carolina, he did better than 975 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: he probably would have if he hadn't had a better 976 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: showing in Iowa. The point is is that I'm not 977 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: saying Iowa New Hampshire are perfect, but that the South 978 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: Carolina being first effectively is a world where Barack Obama 979 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: is never president of the United States? Should we not 980 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: consider that? And with Kamala the reason why it benefits 981 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: her is not because of her race, but because of 982 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: her establishment status. Because people like Jim Clyburn and whoever 983 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: his political errors in the state are would go to 984 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: run up and back her, would give her a major 985 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: edge in that primary and in the future momentum. And 986 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: you can just imagine the headlines like when you win 987 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: your first contest, it gives you major momentum. It makes 988 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: it feels if windows ear back, when in reality the 989 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: race could go totally differently by putting a different state 990 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: at the very top. It is crazy to think about 991 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: how much the ordering of states ultimately so much really matters. 992 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: And I think your point about the establishment, you know, 993 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: benefit for candidates in South Carolina is really important because 994 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: it's not like Kamala did was doing well in South 995 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: Carolina before she dropped down this race last time. I 996 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: went back and looked at the real clear politics averages 997 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: of the polls in the different states. The highest she 998 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: ever notched in South Carolina was eight points. But again 999 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: that's because she wasn't like Joe Biden was there. He 1000 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: was the establishment candidate. He had been Barack Obama's bestie 1001 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: and vice president and all of that, so he was 1002 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: just unshakable in terms of the South Carolina electorate. Jim 1003 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: Clyburn obviously had a lot of sway and a lot 1004 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: of poll in the state. So when he decides our 1005 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: item with Joe at all the chips sort of, you know, 1006 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: all the pieces sort of fall into place there. And 1007 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,839 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there's there's a few other things 1008 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, number one, not good for Pete Boota. 1009 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,399 Speaker 1: It has clearly even start of positioning himself and trying 1010 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: to angle himself into his next White House bid. Starting 1011 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: with South Carolina, Pete famously could not get any significant 1012 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: percentage of any minority vote and so starting with South 1013 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: Carolina and Nevada is you know, kind of a disaster 1014 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: for him. The other thing that you can say about 1015 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,720 Speaker 1: it is it's not just the order of the states 1016 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: that matter, it's also the pace. So one of the 1017 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: things about Iowa that has been i mean, this is 1018 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: like bedrock political tradition, whether you like it or not, 1019 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: like this has been the way we've done politics is 1020 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,400 Speaker 1: it's a relatively small state. You know, it's a pretty 1021 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: rural state. Candidates would make a show of going to 1022 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,720 Speaker 1: all the different counties, showing up at all the different 1023 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: like Democratic Party meet and greets and functions and what 1024 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,359 Speaker 1: used to be called Jefferson Jackson Dinners, I don't remember 1025 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: what they call him now. And you could be a 1026 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 1: candidate that didn't have a lot of money and didn't 1027 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: you know, have a gigantic national profile to start with, 1028 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: and you could gain some ground just you shoeleather, you know, 1029 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: with your shoe leather, like getting around the state and 1030 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: showing up at all the things and talking to the 1031 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: voters and like building a thing for yourself. And so 1032 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,759 Speaker 1: when you have four states here going really quickly in succession, 1033 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: within basically a week, if you're a candidate that doesn't 1034 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of money in the bank, it makes 1035 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: it very difficult for you ultimately to compete. So you're 1036 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: not going to have time to prove yourself in Iowa, 1037 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: build a war chest and go onto the other states. 1038 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: It really benefits candidates who already have big national profile, 1039 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: big war chests, and are able to come out and 1040 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: have a ground operation in all of these states at 1041 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 1: once from the get go. So that's the other piece 1042 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: of this. I mean, it really is quite a sea 1043 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: change in terms of democratic politics. This isn't said in stone. 1044 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: There may be some changes still, but it looks like 1045 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: this is the direction they're going in and it is 1046 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: a quite extraordinary change from the past. Well, it's a 1047 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: genius ploy. You'd be like, what you're against black voters. 1048 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's not what anybody's saying. What somebody's 1049 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: saying is that clearly it has an establishment bias, always 1050 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 1: has in the future, and that if you want upstar 1051 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: candidates to have a chance having a smaller state, maybe 1052 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to necessarily. I always could be Nevada. 1053 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,719 Speaker 1: You know, Nevada's not that big. Really, it's just a 1054 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: it's a lot of campaigning in Las Vegas and then 1055 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: in Reno. Sounds like actually could give you more of 1056 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: a benefit. Also, it's got Hispanic voters. It's swing demographic 1057 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: right now, heavy union presence. I could make just as 1058 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 1: good of an argument for the Democrats to hold it 1059 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: there than South Carolina. But there's a reason why they 1060 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: want South Carolina to go first. I see it as 1061 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,760 Speaker 1: nothing but a rigging for Joe Biden and for kamalaw 1062 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: and really establishment from here on out. And you're not 1063 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: going to hear any dissent in the media on this 1064 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: going forward. Yes, very very true. There was one more 1065 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: piece of this that we found interesting. Charla Mina God 1066 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 1: always has interesting political commentary, sometimes cringe, sometimes great, goes 1067 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: against the grain oftentimes. And he had some comments about, 1068 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, there's an assumption, I guess in this ordering 1069 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: of states from the DNC and the Biden campaign that 1070 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: black voters are going to continue to be just a 1071 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: rock solid demographic for Joe Biden. And you know, first 1072 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 1: he said you might want to He's sort of saying 1073 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: you might want to rethink that. He says, personally, damn 1074 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 1: near everything they promised black people, I haven't seen come 1075 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: to fruition. And I still think they could have gone 1076 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: way further on the marijuana thing. Hey, it's cool to 1077 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: pardon everybody that's in prison on a federal level for 1078 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: simple possession, but indicating they could have done a lot more. 1079 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: And he went on to express that he's not too 1080 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 1: impressed with Joe Biden and it's apparently even less impressed 1081 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris, but continues to think Biden is the 1082 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: best bet the Democrats have. Let's take a listener what 1083 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,879 Speaker 1: he had to say. Sad that you know, you're talking 1084 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: about a potential rematch with no an individual who was 1085 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:54,319 Speaker 1: facing multiple federal and local investigation. A person who they 1086 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: say inspired and attempted cool in his country on January sixth, 1087 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, a person who tried to you know, basically 1088 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: change you know, still change the results of an election, 1089 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,840 Speaker 1: Like just what would acknowledge the results of an election? 1090 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 1: I feel like there have to be some type of 1091 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: qualifications for president. I think when you're facing you know 1092 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 1: that much, I don't even think you should be qualified 1093 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: to run. And so it's sad that we're saying, you know, 1094 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 1: it's still a toss up between him president Biden. I 1095 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: think that's more indicative of what you know, Democrats aren't doing. 1096 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: And for me, I just don't don't. I don't see 1097 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: the bench that the Democrats had, Like I don't I 1098 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: personally don't see the person that they could put up 1099 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that could like really galvanize and 1100 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: energize people. I mean, the fact that Biden is still 1101 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: their safety bet. I think that's sad too. So he's 1102 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: not too impressed, No, not at all. I mean, look again, 1103 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: with Charlemagne, he both was like what a fan of 1104 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, but then he also did rightfully critique her 1105 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: whenever she tried to skip out on his interview. I've 1106 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: always appreciated him. What was it P Diddy in our 1107 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: previous in the previous twenty twenty when he would came 1108 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: out and he was like, we're not just going to 1109 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, the black vote is in monol ethic, like 1110 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: we're not just going to show up on Biden as 1111 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,799 Speaker 1: it relates to South Carolina and more. I'm just not 1112 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: so sure. I mean, I would wish that Charlamyne's view 1113 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: were the mainstream that said, like, look how they voted 1114 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: for Biden in twenty twenty on the word of Jim 1115 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: Jim clyburn endorsement. It was like Clyburn's word alone was 1116 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,000 Speaker 1: enough for a major landslide victory for Biden, enough to 1117 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: clinch denomination, especially going into Super Tuesday. Yeah, he also 1118 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: made some comments about he was asking this was Fox 1119 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: News Digital interview, by the way, It was asking again 1120 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: about Biden's famous you wain't black comment, and he said 1121 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: basically that he had said the quiet part out loud. 1122 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: Whether he said it in jest or not, I'm sure 1123 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: that's how a large part of the Democratic Party feels. 1124 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 1: They feel like, hey, black men, black women there are 1125 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: most loyal voting block, and they show up for us 1126 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: no matter what. So some pointed critiques there of Charlotmagne, 1127 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think anytime you take voters for 1128 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: granted and just assume that they're going to have your 1129 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,479 Speaker 1: back without ultimately delivering for them, I think ultimately there's 1130 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: going to be a price to pay. And I do 1131 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: think Democrats are seeing that with working class voters, black 1132 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 1: and brown voters in particular. The place where Republicans have 1133 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,880 Speaker 1: actually gained the most ground across the country are in 1134 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 1: cities with black and brown working class voters. I don't 1135 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: think that it's because Republicans have been so awesome. I 1136 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: think it's because Democrats have routinely failed these groups and 1137 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 1: working class in general. So, you know, bit of a 1138 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: warning there. I agree with you. In the short term, 1139 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: probably South Carolina will continue to be a solid place 1140 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 1: for establishment candidates. But bigger picture, it is just so 1141 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: brazen how the Democratic Party is trying to shore up 1142 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: the wall, make sure Biden has a glide path to 1143 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: the nomination, make sure that they can even lay out 1144 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: the path for their next terrible lackluster candidate, Kamala Harris, 1145 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: and continue their sort of like status quo dominance in purpose. Yes, absolutely, Okay, 1146 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 1: let's go to the next part. This is an SBF 1147 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: update which is very important. Is going really unnoticed by 1148 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: the mainstream media. The cryptomedia is actually the one who 1149 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: picked up on it. So let's give credit where due. 1150 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on screen so they show 1151 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: that SBF actually had detailed information on Alameda Research's finances 1152 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: as recently as marchs according to Forbes. Now, why does 1153 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: this matter? Because SBF was such a narcissist that he 1154 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: actually compiled a Google doc with his own net worth 1155 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: calculated by his own basically analysis that was sent over 1156 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 1: to Forbes. Now that Google doc, which had a sum 1157 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 1: of some thirty some billion dollars according to his net worth, 1158 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: then for the total market listed in detail the balance 1159 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: sheet and more, both of FTX of his own personal 1160 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: wealth and Alameda Research funds directly under management. Why does 1161 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: that matter because the co mingling of FTX and Alameda 1162 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: assets are exact factly what led to the downfall of 1163 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 1: FTX in the first place after a run on the 1164 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: FTT token. Now, let's remember in the New York Times 1165 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: interview with SBF, the insane interview which we covered here. 1166 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: He said, quote, it is not a company I run 1167 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: about Alameda. Quote it's not a company I've run for 1168 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Quote. And Alameda's finances I 1169 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: was not deeply aware of. I was only surface level 1170 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: aware of Alameda's finances. Now here's the thing, when you 1171 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: actually look at his ownership stake of ninety percent of 1172 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Alameda Research and the fifty percent of FTX, he actually 1173 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 1: had that Google sheet which listed directly the assets and 1174 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: the specific coins on the FTX equity, in addition to 1175 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Alameda and its total net work that he ascribed to himself. 1176 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 1: He said, the Alameda funds under management approximately down to 1177 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,440 Speaker 1: the scent level of what they have. Now, how can 1178 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,680 Speaker 1: you have down to the scent level unless you know 1179 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: what the underlying assets are there? He could claim that 1180 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: he got it from Alameda. I guess that's certainly possible. 1181 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: But again, like that is when you have a number 1182 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 1: that is in front of you about the total worth. 1183 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 1: And clearly, as he has also compiled his own FTX equity, 1184 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: he listed out Solana FTT token, the Serum ecosystem toke, 1185 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that one is. Apparently it 1186 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 1: was worth three billion dollars in March is amazing at 1187 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 1: TX Equity. But when you have the thirty seven billion 1188 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: dollars that he listed on Alameda funds that were totally 1189 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: under management and then putting your net worth at sixteen billion, 1190 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: you clearly had a view, at least somewhere on some 1191 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 1: spreadsheet of what exact assets under management that Alameda actually had. 1192 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: And also there's a question here as to is this 1193 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 1: really all it takes to get on the Forbes list. 1194 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about a Google sheet with six columns and 1195 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 1: it just comes out and spits out like and Forbes 1196 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: just prints like we have on the Forbest. It's like, 1197 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: what that's all it takes. It's also very revealing the 1198 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: type of person who would be like trying to get 1199 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 1: on the Forbes Billionaire List and like work in the 1200 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,800 Speaker 1: numbers and work in the red and spending sending them 1201 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: like wasting your time when you could have been figuring 1202 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: out that your company was about to collapse, instead going 1203 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 1: back and forth with Forbes about what your theoretical net 1204 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: worth was, which ended up being less than nothing. But yeah, 1205 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: in that interview we played with Andrew Russerk and the 1206 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 1: New York times it was very His classic defense over 1207 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and over again was like, oh, I just didn't know, 1208 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 1: no idea. I didn't even know we gave you know, 1209 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: we bought this multi multimillion dollar how beach house for 1210 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: my parents. I had no idea what happened to the 1211 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: money after the collapse, when like assets were being basically, 1212 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, ripped out of FTI, I have no idea 1213 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,320 Speaker 1: what happened to that. I didn't even know we had 1214 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,919 Speaker 1: this kind of exposure with al of me. I didn't 1215 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 1: really know what Alameda was doing. This just shows you 1216 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: proof positive in case there was any doubt that he 1217 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent full of shit. I mean, we 1218 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 1: can go back to some very basic and old concepts 1219 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: here when it comes to SBF. He is a comment 1220 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: that's it, Like you don't really need to understand anything 1221 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 1: deeper than this. All of this. There's some people still 1222 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 1: after that interview, there's Kenny. We're like, I think he's 1223 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,080 Speaker 1: telling the truth. I believed what he said. I think 1224 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: he just you know, got in over got in over 1225 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: his head and he was out over his skis and 1226 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the whole thing crumpled, and he just made a couple 1227 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: of basic mistakes and didn't pay attention to the risk 1228 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the way that he should. But it was an honest mistake. 1229 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,440 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. In case you needed any proof, 1230 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: you've got to get yes. And Forbes actually even says 1231 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: the level of detail that bankmin Freed has begmun Freed 1232 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: has provided to Forbes over the years shows he had 1233 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 1: detailed knowledge of some Alameda holdings and at least some 1234 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: knowledge of the transactions it was making, especially in twenty 1235 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: twenty one, despite stepping back from running the hedge fund 1236 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: after co founding FTX in twenty nineteen. So it is 1237 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 1: weird ast day, baby. I mean, it was where the 1238 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: bulk of his net worth, you know, our huge portion 1239 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: of his NetWars was coming from, you know, ninety percent 1240 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: total ownership. Like the idea that you would own ninety 1241 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,320 Speaker 1: percent of something and not have a quote detailed understanding 1242 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: of what's going on. Is run by his girlfriend or 1243 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,960 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend or whatever. I mean, we're not talking about 1244 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: like a huge group of people that were running these things. 1245 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: He was clearly very deep into the day to day 1246 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: details of what exactly they're doing. There was also reporting 1247 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,560 Speaker 1: that there was like a back door between FDx and 1248 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Alameda that basically only he had access to So so 1249 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: anyway he knew what was going on. He knew what 1250 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,040 Speaker 1: was going on, and this also may end up being 1251 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: relevant in a court case in terms of his timeline 1252 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,960 Speaker 1: and some of the things that he has been saying 1253 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,880 Speaker 1: which appear to be patently untrue. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, 1254 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,200 Speaker 1: he's been granting interviews all over the place. He had 1255 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: one with a editor at large at The Block, a 1256 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,400 Speaker 1: two hour interview Frank Chaparro, which apparently just posted unusual 1257 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Whales apparently is doing an interview with him today. The 1258 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal has doing an interview. I mean, really all, 1259 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: he continued, The Wall Street Journal just dropped one from yesterday. Oh. Interesting. 1260 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,600 Speaker 1: The headline was FDx founder says he can't account for 1261 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: the billions that were sent to Alameda. He said, quote, 1262 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I have little insight into the workings of the trading firm, 1263 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 1: even though he owned ninety percent of So his new 1264 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,840 Speaker 1: line is, I had no idea FDx was, you know, 1265 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: sending all these customer funds over to Alameda, when I 1266 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,120 Speaker 1: just I simply don't believe that based upon the fact 1267 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,160 Speaker 1: that he is able to provide an accounting of that. 1268 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: When Forbes wants to put him on the billionaire list. 1269 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, and now, actually I know exactly how 1270 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,680 Speaker 1: much money they have because now I own fifty percent 1271 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: of it or ninety percent of it, and you know 1272 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,520 Speaker 1: you should use that in my net worth calculation. Very interesting, Yes, 1273 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: that all happens. Indeed, all right, we have an interesting 1274 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: story for you, just an interesting story. But also the 1275 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,040 Speaker 1: way the media covered it is also very interesting. So 1276 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: let's actually put the third element here up on the screen. First, guys. Three, 1277 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 1: So I got all these alerts, Sager News alerts yesterday 1278 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,920 Speaker 1: saying that a was shutting down the morality police, it 1279 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:07,320 Speaker 1: was being disbanded. And the headlines were incredibly unequivocal. So 1280 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,600 Speaker 1: we have a few of them up on the screen. 1281 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,320 Speaker 1: We say, one says Iran has abolished the morality police. 1282 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,040 Speaker 1: An official suggests that the New York Times, Fox News 1283 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: says Iran shuts down morality police. In response to protests, 1284 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,520 Speaker 1: cold report Auran shutting down morality police. So the way 1285 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 1: the headlines made it sound very clear, and in fact, 1286 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,200 Speaker 1: put the second second element now up on the screen. 1287 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: This is from Yashar Ali, who the first headline from 1288 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the New York Times is even more unequivocal. It says 1289 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Iran abolishes morality Police after months of reports. Doesn't say 1290 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,000 Speaker 1: an official said they did that, they might have done it, 1291 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,680 Speaker 1: they could potentially be doing none of that. Just totally unequivocal. 1292 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,480 Speaker 1: They are abolishing the morality police. And clearly, I mean, 1293 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,600 Speaker 1: this is a huge story. We have covered here, incredible 1294 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: protests across the country, you know, really persistent, massive crackdown 1295 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,600 Speaker 1: with protesters being killed. All of this happening within Iran. 1296 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: So this shows that, you know, oh they're getting some traction. 1297 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 1: The government is being forced to respond, and I still 1298 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: think that the kernel of that is likely true. But 1299 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,520 Speaker 1: the way this was covered was incredibly irresponsible. It's gone 1300 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. So we have 1301 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 1: a journalist here who is saying, here's a thread about 1302 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 1: responsible journalism, which is based on responsible sourcing. The comments 1303 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: on the alleged abolishment of the morality Police stem from 1304 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,240 Speaker 1: the Iranian regime's Attorney General, Mohammad Jafar MONTZERI let's break 1305 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,640 Speaker 1: down what he actually said in official Iranian state media, 1306 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go ahead and read this whole thread 1307 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that she ultimately put out. So this official said the following, 1308 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,520 Speaker 1: The morality police has nothing to do with the judiciary system, 1309 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the same source that created in the past from the 1310 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,520 Speaker 1: same place it has shut down. Of course, the judiciary 1311 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,520 Speaker 1: system will continue its surveillance of social behaviors across society. 1312 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,960 Speaker 1: So even the official who's saying we're getting rid of 1313 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,760 Speaker 1: the morality police is saying, we're still we're still going 1314 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,120 Speaker 1: to enforce the law and nothing is really going to change. 1315 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 1: We're just basically changing the name of it in the 1316 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: way that the enforcement happens. Then she links to a 1317 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,440 Speaker 1: source here from BBC Persian. Then she says, given the above, 1318 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,919 Speaker 1: we know Monteseri is not in charge by the way 1319 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,280 Speaker 1: of the regime's morality police. Monteseri does not specify who 1320 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: allegedly shut down the morality Police and when and how 1321 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Monteseri promises to continue enforcement of the country's Islamic Sharia laws. Editorially, 1322 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,680 Speaker 1: it is not clear why New York Times and other 1323 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: media outlets have chosen to draw definitive conclusions for monteserii's words, 1324 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,519 Speaker 1: who admits he's not in a physician to do so, 1325 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: characterize it as a victory for feminists. When MONTESII says 1326 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,680 Speaker 1: social surveillance would continue. In conclusion, it is lazy journalism 1327 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,240 Speaker 1: at best and camouflaged lobbying at worst. So, you know 1328 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,920 Speaker 1: New York Times in particular, but a bunch of outlets 1329 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 1: declaring is fact that the morality Police has been abolished, 1330 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,280 Speaker 1: showing that you know, the government is under pressure, that 1331 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,799 Speaker 1: they're caving to demands, that this is a clear victory 1332 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: for the feminists who've been protesting in Iran, when the 1333 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,360 Speaker 1: reality is much more opaque and much less clear. Well 1334 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: here's even better. So last night they had that same 1335 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,479 Speaker 1: Attorney general whose comments they ran. He says, quote, no 1336 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,599 Speaker 1: official authority in the Islamic Republic has confirmed the closure 1337 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of the morality police. So ellik, I wish it were true. 1338 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, I see stuff like this all the time. 1339 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,960 Speaker 1: It's a good example of how the Western media gets 1340 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,040 Speaker 1: totally played by a lot of these Right now, there's 1341 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of stories like China possibly loosening COVID zero. 1342 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,160 Speaker 1: We'll see, all right, maybe, or maybe they're leaking it 1343 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 1: to get the Western press off their backs and portray 1344 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 1: it as some sort of victory, and then they come 1345 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,160 Speaker 1: in and sweep in whenever that media doesn't pay attention 1346 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,720 Speaker 1: as much anymore. Ever seen that happen in China, I 1347 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: certainly have with the Hong Kong protests, and now here 1348 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,479 Speaker 1: I think is the exact same thing. Whenever, look, if 1349 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 1: it's actually true, we will find out. Will the hijab 1350 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 1: las in Iran actually be enforced or will they be 1351 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,639 Speaker 1: changed again? We will see, and then will be changed 1352 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,519 Speaker 1: on paper and then enforced differently in the streets again 1353 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 1: we will see. To go ahead and to report this 1354 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,879 Speaker 1: as statement, as total fact, without any of the context 1355 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 1: of how the Iranian regime itself works, who this person is. 1356 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: The fact is BBC Persia seems to be the only 1357 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,040 Speaker 1: outlet that actually nailed this from the beginning. Yes, yeah, 1358 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,840 Speaker 1: in the West they failed. Now after pushback, I have 1359 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,680 Speaker 1: seen outlets like I was reading an Economist story this 1360 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: morning that provided more of the context and more of 1361 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,360 Speaker 1: the nuance, more of the uncertainty about what this actually 1362 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: means and whether it's real or not, because clearly the 1363 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 1: initial like it's done, congratulations, way to go, guys, was 1364 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: met with massive pushback from this journalist and from I'm 1365 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,200 Speaker 1: sure others, including Iranian protesters who are there on the ground. 1366 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: One thing we do know, according to the protesters is 1367 01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,040 Speaker 1: that the morality police have been much less visible and 1368 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: present over the past few weeks. I think it is 1369 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 1: safe to say, based on them even claiming that they're 1370 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,519 Speaker 1: going to get rid of the morality police, that they are. 1371 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,559 Speaker 1: I mean, they're definitely feeling pressure, there's no doubt about that. 1372 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,880 Speaker 1: But whether this amounts to any sort of a substantive 1373 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,040 Speaker 1: victory is highly in doubt at best. And again, this 1374 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,679 Speaker 1: official by his own words, I mean, they're not planning 1375 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 1: on getting rid of the hijab law. They're not even 1376 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: that that's what they're doing. They're just saying we're going 1377 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,040 Speaker 1: to still enforce it, but through a different mechanism. Ultimately, 1378 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,320 Speaker 1: so even in the best case scenario of they are 1379 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,759 Speaker 1: actually getting rid of the morality police, they're just saying, 1380 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,519 Speaker 1: we're going to do the same thing, We're just going 1381 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,200 Speaker 1: to do it in a little bit of a different 1382 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: way and try to claim this as oh, congratulations you 1383 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,519 Speaker 1: want when it's not in fact a substantive victory. Yeah, 1384 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,760 Speaker 1: I think that's correct, all right, Zaga, what are you 1385 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: looking at? Well? A consistent theme that I've attempted to 1386 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,880 Speaker 1: hammer home here on the show is that the so 1387 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,200 Speaker 1: called highest institutions of learning in the US have long 1388 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: departed their mission statements. They are effectively recession proof industries 1389 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,679 Speaker 1: set up to builk the federal government and students while 1390 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,639 Speaker 1: funding a pernicious ideology that is spreading across our higher 1391 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 1: elite like cancer. At the root of it is a 1392 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,920 Speaker 1: rigged financial system. These industries beclown themselves because they can. 1393 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,320 Speaker 1: They can because students pay, But more so, they don't 1394 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,000 Speaker 1: even really need the students to pay anymore. It has 1395 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,240 Speaker 1: become increasingly clear in the size of university endowments, which 1396 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,920 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell recently revealed as a scam of epic proportions, 1397 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,080 Speaker 1: focusing his laser on Princeton University, Princeton is the world's 1398 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: first perpetual motion machine. Gladwell writes, at the heart of 1399 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,240 Speaker 1: his argument is this quote. After estellary year in twenty 1400 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,559 Speaker 1: twenty one, Princeton University has an endowment of thirty seven 1401 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,639 Speaker 1: point seven billion. Over the past twenty years, the average 1402 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,400 Speaker 1: annual return for the endowment has been eleven point two percent, 1403 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,920 Speaker 1: which Prince puts Princeton's return next year at roughly three 1404 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: point seven seven billion. He continues, Now, what is Princeton's 1405 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,360 Speaker 1: annual operating budget that would be one point eighty six billion. 1406 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 1: The arithmetic is not hard. Three point seven billion in 1407 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: investment minus one point eighty six in operating still leaves 1408 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 1: you with one point nine to one billion, leading him 1409 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,760 Speaker 1: to conclude, what quote, Princeton could let every student in 1410 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,280 Speaker 1: for free. The university administrators could tell the US government 1411 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,240 Speaker 1: and all of its agencies, it's cool, we got this. 1412 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,200 Speaker 1: They could take out the cash registers in their cafeteria. 1413 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,479 Speaker 1: They could hand out free parking to all visitors. They 1414 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,320 Speaker 1: could give away Princeton sweatshirts on Nasau Street. They could 1415 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 1: fire their entire accounts receivable staff and their entire fronting 1416 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,400 Speaker 1: staff tomorrow. In fact, his team even put together this 1417 01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 1: handy little chart. Princeton has been not just doing this recently, 1418 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: but for nearly two decades. On a year by year basis, 1419 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,600 Speaker 1: their endowment return just the return nearly exactly equals or 1420 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,839 Speaker 1: surpasses the entire operating budget of the whole school, meaning 1421 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,479 Speaker 1: no student would ever need to be charged tuition again. 1422 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Or you could imagine a world where students pay much 1423 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,559 Speaker 1: much less. Also, as you can guess, this is not 1424 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,400 Speaker 1: just the case with Princeton University It's the case with 1425 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,599 Speaker 1: almost every Ivy League institution in this entire country, whose 1426 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,559 Speaker 1: endowments in some cases surpass And I'm not kidding the 1427 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,759 Speaker 1: GDP of small African nations with this mountain of wealth, 1428 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,320 Speaker 1: don't Why are they not doing what they were supposed 1429 01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: to do. They were supposed to spend it on students. Instead, 1430 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,040 Speaker 1: they simply reinvest the returns, build an ever growing pile 1431 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,960 Speaker 1: of cash, giving fees to money managers, all while continuing 1432 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: to raise tuition precipitously even when you're all giving them 1433 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,240 Speaker 1: is freaking zoom. School tuition at Princeton right now is 1434 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,640 Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars a year. Let it sink in that 1435 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,200 Speaker 1: is ten grand more than the average US household income annually, 1436 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,800 Speaker 1: Which brings us to the tax code. And now look, 1437 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,760 Speaker 1: I have long been critical of the twenty seventeen tax 1438 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,680 Speaker 1: cuts instituted by Trump and the Republicans. Mostly it was 1439 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,360 Speaker 1: a giveaway to the largest corporations in the US stock 1440 01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,799 Speaker 1: buybacks that served that came back to us, buyed us hard. 1441 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,559 Speaker 1: When the COVID pandemic showed that it turned out we 1442 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 1: don't make anything in our country here anymore. But there 1443 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,240 Speaker 1: was one good part to it, and it was called 1444 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 1: the University endowment Tax. The TCJA, as it was known, 1445 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,599 Speaker 1: imposed a one point four percent tax on net investment 1446 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 1: income of private university endowments which enroll at least five 1447 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,240 Speaker 1: hundred students and have endowment assets eating five hundred thousand 1448 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 1: dollars per student. Only forty universities in the entire country 1449 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 1: even met that criteria at the time. Now it's about 1450 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,639 Speaker 1: one hundred. The thinking was this, if you exceed half 1451 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,879 Speaker 1: a million dollars per student, you clearly are not spending 1452 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 1: the money on actual students. You are just earning a 1453 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,400 Speaker 1: ton of money. Hence you have to pay a tiny 1454 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,679 Speaker 1: a measly one point four percent. If you admit more students, 1455 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,639 Speaker 1: or if you spend more money, voila, you pay no tax. 1456 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,360 Speaker 1: If you don't, well, now you pay only one point 1457 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 1: four percent, which, considering their average return is eleven percent. 1458 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: You do the math. They are still coming out billions 1459 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,799 Speaker 1: of dollars on top, but even this tax they cannot stomach. 1460 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,479 Speaker 1: With an all at war begun right now by the 1461 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 1: major Ivy League institutions. Harvard, Princeton and other tax entities 1462 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,599 Speaker 1: are heavily lobbying democrats in Congress to relieve them of 1463 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,360 Speaker 1: what they say is an unfair tax burden, and their 1464 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 1: corrupt bargain actually almost won. A relief to the tax 1465 01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,920 Speaker 1: was actually included in the original Build Back Better Bill, 1466 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,320 Speaker 1: but eventually died in the Senate. Their ongoing lobbying effort 1467 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 1: in Congress continues with sympathetic ears amongst the Democratic Party elite, 1468 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,360 Speaker 1: which increasingly is driven by the concerns of the university educated. 1469 01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,040 Speaker 1: And this brings me back to my original opposition to 1470 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: student loan debt relief in the first place. These universities 1471 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,680 Speaker 1: have become fantastically wealthy on the backs of students and 1472 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,920 Speaker 1: government backed programs which require nothing on their part. They 1473 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,040 Speaker 1: increase tuition, they use the money to fund their endowments. 1474 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:32,760 Speaker 1: They are printing untold billions. Relief without targeting these criminals 1475 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,640 Speaker 1: is effectively a bailout of higher ed with zero consequences 1476 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,600 Speaker 1: for the actual bad actor in this situation. Now that 1477 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is poised to strike down debt relief 1478 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,720 Speaker 1: as unconstitutional, it is time to actually deal with this. 1479 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Students desperately need help. They should get it properly through 1480 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,600 Speaker 1: the legislative process. Congress should not only reject the overtures 1481 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,519 Speaker 1: of these greedy criminals to provide them tax relief. They 1482 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,760 Speaker 1: should increase that tax to one hundred percent from here 1483 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,080 Speaker 1: on out. That way, we never have to be back 1484 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: here again. We can force universities to spend the money 1485 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,160 Speaker 1: they earn on students, and we should consider an even 1486 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,800 Speaker 1: more strong excise tax to fund student loan relief for 1487 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,559 Speaker 1: all time, not just once forever. That's a fair solution, 1488 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,120 Speaker 1: but given currently the Democratic Party control by these universities, 1489 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,720 Speaker 1: don't anticipate it anytime soon. They will just let the 1490 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,920 Speaker 1: problem fester for even longer, and they're going to let 1491 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,640 Speaker 1: these criminals off the hook. I mean, how crazy is 1492 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 1: that that they can't even pay a one point And 1493 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, 1494 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:39,599 Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Crystal, 1495 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,200 Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well, you voted 1496 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,880 Speaker 1: for President Biden, but now you say you feel like 1497 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:49,120 Speaker 1: he's turned he's back on you. Why. Well, what we've 1498 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,640 Speaker 1: seen with this great rail strike of twenty two that 1499 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,920 Speaker 1: has ended very undramatically, is we've seen unionized workers right 1500 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,000 Speaker 1: to bargain collectively get trampled on their voice has not 1501 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,599 Speaker 1: been heard. They've voted against the contract. We have a 1502 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,240 Speaker 1: pro labor president who loves to pat himself on the 1503 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,880 Speaker 1: back for that, and when the jobing got tough, he 1504 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,559 Speaker 1: turned his back on the people he's supposed to be 1505 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,120 Speaker 1: looking out for, the leaders we vote in who are 1506 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,559 Speaker 1: supposed to support us, you know, turn our back on us. Yeah, 1507 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,799 Speaker 1: the system's broken. Back In nineteen eighty one, Ronald Reagan, 1508 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: a former union leader himself, intervened in a strike of 1509 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,760 Speaker 1: air traffic controllers and forced them back to work. It 1510 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,400 Speaker 1: was a seminal moment in labor history and mark the 1511 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,600 Speaker 1: official launch of decades of labor movement decline and a 1512 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,640 Speaker 1: bipartisan project of union busting which is continued more or 1513 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 1: less unbroken up until this very year now. Reagan's decision 1514 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,599 Speaker 1: to break the pat Coast strike helped jumpstart the era 1515 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,800 Speaker 1: of neoliberal market fundamentalism that we have been suffering through 1516 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,760 Speaker 1: ever since. But now we're at a different moment with 1517 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,360 Speaker 1: the president who has promised to be a break from 1518 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,440 Speaker 1: all of that. Neoliberalism, of course, as a political philosophy 1519 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,360 Speaker 1: and as a paradigm, has been rejected by the public, 1520 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,280 Speaker 1: is actually receding by some measures process which has been accelerated, 1521 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,080 Speaker 1: like many things, by the pandemic. We see some reshoring 1522 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,479 Speaker 1: of jobs. We see a new dabbling in industrial policy, 1523 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,840 Speaker 1: supported by both parties. And we see historic grassroots energy 1524 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,200 Speaker 1: in the labor movement, a rising militancy across the workforce 1525 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 1: that I have not seen outside of the wave of 1526 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: teacher strikes, which were a prelude to this new surge 1527 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,639 Speaker 1: of organizing and action. So this wave of action, it's 1528 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: been enabled by the worker friendly officials that the Biden 1529 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,000 Speaker 1: administration is appointed to the National Labor Relations Board. But 1530 01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,640 Speaker 1: the truth is well President Biden claims to be a 1531 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,960 Speaker 1: great friend to labor, he has personally been nothing but 1532 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,839 Speaker 1: a disappointment. He campaigned on the pro Act but immediately 1533 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,400 Speaker 1: dropped it. He promised to block union busters from receiving 1534 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,920 Speaker 1: federal contracts, but he hasn't sid a peep about that 1535 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,040 Speaker 1: pledge since he's been elected, even as Amazon, which gets 1536 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,840 Speaker 1: billions from the federal government, engages in brazenly lawless union 1537 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:52,520 Speaker 1: busting across the entire country. And now the final gutting disappointment, 1538 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: when push came to shove, Biden did exactly what Reagan 1539 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,000 Speaker 1: did before him, he sided with capital and he broke 1540 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,479 Speaker 1: the strike. Now there's a lot of Democratic cope right 1541 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,839 Speaker 1: now about this undeniable reality. Yeah, but the dumb partisans 1542 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,759 Speaker 1: would say more Democrats voted for worker six days than Republicans. Sure, 1543 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,920 Speaker 1: Republicans are no friend to labor. And even the ones 1544 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: who voted for the paid sick leave mostly wanted to 1545 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,360 Speaker 1: jam and embarrassed Biden. But let's be clear about who 1546 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,200 Speaker 1: was in the driver's seat here the whole time. It 1547 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,160 Speaker 1: was Biden, and it was the Democrats driving this train 1548 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,120 Speaker 1: the entire way. It was Biden's Presidential Emergency Board that 1549 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,960 Speaker 1: pushed the first horrendous deal. It was Biden's team who 1550 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,679 Speaker 1: led the negotiations that led to another merely bad deal, 1551 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,000 Speaker 1: the so called Tentative Agreement. It was Biden's labor secretary 1552 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,120 Speaker 1: who destroyed worker leverage when he immediately called on Congress 1553 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,679 Speaker 1: to block a strike and crammed down that tentative agreement 1554 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,160 Speaker 1: if workers did not agree to it. It was Biden 1555 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,320 Speaker 1: himself who then ultimately called on Congress, who crammed down 1556 01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,800 Speaker 1: the agreement, and a Democratic Congress which obliged allowing a 1557 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,400 Speaker 1: show vote on seven days of paidsick leave. That they 1558 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:56,280 Speaker 1: knew was destined to fail, and the administration's rhetoric was 1559 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,479 Speaker 1: exclusively focused on the pain that a rail strike would 1560 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,400 Speaker 1: cause it the a economy. They never took the rail 1561 01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,320 Speaker 1: barons to task for denying a basic benefit to their workers. 1562 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,960 Speaker 1: After Democrats in the House actually passed seven days of 1563 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,840 Speaker 1: paid sick leave, Biden issued a statement that didn't even 1564 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,000 Speaker 1: bother to ask the Senate to vote the same way. 1565 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,000 Speaker 1: There was no public pressure campaign. There was nothing but 1566 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,720 Speaker 1: fear mongering about how devastating a strike would be, a 1567 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,080 Speaker 1: talking point that plays right into the hands of Warren 1568 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,080 Speaker 1: Buffett and the other rail bosses. The only silver lining 1569 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,440 Speaker 1: of this whole catastrophe was watching Transportation Secretary Pete Budaget 1570 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,360 Speaker 1: squirm as CNNs Jake Tapper absolutely raked him across the coals, 1571 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,600 Speaker 1: because in this moment, the utter vacuousness of the neoliberal 1572 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 1: approach to labor politics was on full display. And Pete 1573 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,240 Speaker 1: is nothing if not the Mackenzie trained, living, breathing embodiment 1574 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: of the failures of technocratic market fundamentalism. They're happy to 1575 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,720 Speaker 1: support workers. They believe in paid sick leaven worker protections, 1576 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,440 Speaker 1: so long as it doesn't come into even the tiniest 1577 01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,679 Speaker 1: bit of conflict with the oligarchs who they have put 1578 01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 1: in charge of the country. Take a look, why are 1579 01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,880 Speaker 1: you ok asking a deal that does not guarantee paid 1580 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:08,200 Speaker 1: sickly for these union workers. First of all, the importance 1581 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: of this deal is that a rail shutdown is being avoided. 1582 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,320 Speaker 1: If that were to happen, we would have seen hundreds 1583 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,800 Speaker 1: of thousands of American workers laid off, Energy prices shooting up, 1584 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,559 Speaker 1: once refineries where I'm able to continue operating issues getting 1585 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,639 Speaker 1: chlorine to water treatment plants, auto industry factories shutting down 1586 01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,200 Speaker 1: within hours, if not days, of that happening. So what 1587 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:36,639 Speaker 1: we've been able to avoid is a major blow to workers, farms, 1588 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,519 Speaker 1: families across the country. So Tapper's initial question here basically 1589 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,200 Speaker 1: amounts to, hey, asshole, aren't you all supposed to be 1590 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,479 Speaker 1: the party of the supports paid silicly, to which Pete 1591 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,160 Speaker 1: barfs up their corporate back talking points about the economic 1592 01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,960 Speaker 1: perils which had to be avert, as if there were 1593 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,879 Speaker 1: no other choices available to them to both give workers 1594 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,759 Speaker 1: a better deal and to avert that economic catastrophe. Worth 1595 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,120 Speaker 1: remembering too, that Pete self righteously defended his own lengthy 1596 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,360 Speaker 1: time off after he and Chaston became fathers, even though 1597 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,880 Speaker 1: he was Transportation Secretary and the entire supply chain at 1598 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,320 Speaker 1: that time was totally efft also worth noting that I 1599 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,680 Speaker 1: saw a level of outrage when Pete's time off was 1600 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,639 Speaker 1: attacked that I have not seen matched by a level 1601 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,000 Speaker 1: of outrage when the time off of over one hundred 1602 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 1: thousand blue collar workers is now decimated. But wait with 1603 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,599 Speaker 1: the Tapper interview. There is so much more. The question 1604 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 1: is these rail lines, they're making billions of dollars. Profits 1605 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 1: are up for all of them, quite a lot. In 1606 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,760 Speaker 1: some cases, you and I have paid sick leave, My 1607 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,240 Speaker 1: crew has paid sick leave. Why don't these railway workers 1608 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,120 Speaker 1: deserve paid sickly? Let me remind you the position of 1609 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,240 Speaker 1: our administration is that every American worker ought to have 1610 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,960 Speaker 1: paid LEAF. Whether you're a railroad worker, a journalist, a 1611 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,559 Speaker 1: federal government employee, or whether you work at Burger King, 1612 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,360 Speaker 1: we believe that every American worker, certainly every full time 1613 01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 1: American worker, ought to have paid LEAD. The President has 1614 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,280 Speaker 1: proposed that. The President has advanced that in proposed legislation, 1615 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,280 Speaker 1: and so far it has been unable to get past 1616 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,720 Speaker 1: what has been unified Senate Republican opposition. We are going 1617 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,840 Speaker 1: to continue to press for that again, not just picking 1618 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,120 Speaker 1: and choosing one sector over another, but based on the 1619 01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,720 Speaker 1: basic idea that every single American worker oughtap paid leave, 1620 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,559 Speaker 1: just like you have in pretty much every country in 1621 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,799 Speaker 1: the world. But that's for now, right now, A tenative 1622 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,920 Speaker 1: agreement that was reached at the bargaining table between union 1623 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,360 Speaker 1: leaders and companies contains provisions like this pay raise and 1624 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,439 Speaker 1: other improvements. Right, I get it. But saying that they 1625 01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,720 Speaker 1: ought to have paid sick leave and then getting in 1626 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,880 Speaker 1: there and saying to the Warren Buffets of the world, 1627 01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,400 Speaker 1: give these guys paid sickly, or the White House is 1628 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:32,920 Speaker 1: going to make you guys out to be the bad guys, 1629 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,240 Speaker 1: and you're going to be the ones that are forced 1630 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,000 Speaker 1: to blink after your reputations take a number of hits. 1631 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,559 Speaker 1: That's a different matter. We've heard from multiple union workers 1632 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,479 Speaker 1: who feel like the Biden administration has let them down. 1633 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Gabe Christiansen or a freight railroad brakeman who lives in 1634 01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,000 Speaker 1: the battle he told ce an end quote. Here we 1635 01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,160 Speaker 1: have someone meaning Biden, who totted themselves as the most 1636 01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: labor friendly president for many decades, and he basically just 1637 01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,479 Speaker 1: betrayed us. There really is no difference between Democrats and 1638 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Republicans anymore. They're just feeding corporate greed unquote. What do 1639 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,360 Speaker 1: you say to Gabe Christensen? Pikas onto a bunch of 1640 01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah about how great the Biden administration has 1641 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,439 Speaker 1: actually been, But Taper has him dead to rights here. 1642 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,840 Speaker 1: It is one thing to theoretically support paidsick leave, it 1643 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,080 Speaker 1: is quite another to have to stand up to the 1644 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,479 Speaker 1: billionaire class. Tapper finishes him off with that devastating quote 1645 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,920 Speaker 1: from Christiansen, which should be the nail in Pete's political coffin. 1646 01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,320 Speaker 1: This moment exemplifies why while Biden has actually been a 1647 01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,360 Speaker 1: little better as president than I thought he would be, 1648 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,320 Speaker 1: he and his way of politics are fundamentally inadequate to 1649 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 1: the moment. At a time when the labor movement is 1650 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,759 Speaker 1: scraping and struggling to be reborn, when they needed a champion, 1651 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,599 Speaker 1: he instead morphed into frickin' Ronald Reagan. Occasionally with Biden, 1652 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,799 Speaker 1: if you squint just right, you can catch a glimpse 1653 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,320 Speaker 1: of what a post neoliberal era might look like. It 1654 01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:46,040 Speaker 1: have reshoring, it have infrastructure, debt relief, antitrust enforcement. But ultimately, 1655 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,960 Speaker 1: when the full measure is taken, he will always always disappoint. 1656 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 1: My only hope is that while Reagan's strike breaking signal 1657 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,479 Speaker 1: the beginning of an era, Biden's strike breaking will be 1658 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,280 Speaker 1: seen as the last gasp of a zombie era that 1659 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,839 Speaker 1: should have been long ago left for dead. And listen, 1660 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,960 Speaker 1: say all you want about the Republican and if you 1661 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,720 Speaker 1: want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a 1662 01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:14,840 Speaker 1: premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, guys, 1663 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,959 Speaker 1: we are going to post our interview with Congressman Rocana 1664 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,880 Speaker 1: about the Twitter Files and his surprise appearance in them later, 1665 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,360 Speaker 1: but as always, thank you guys so much for watching. 1666 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,960 Speaker 1: If you're able to come to our year end spectacular 1667 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,120 Speaker 1: shows in New York and Boston this week, please do so. 1668 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,960 Speaker 1: We would love to have you guys in attendance. It's 1669 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,280 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, I can't 1670 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,360 Speaker 1: wait live show, last time I get to shout that 1671 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,559 Speaker 1: at everybody. It's been a fantastic experience. 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