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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome once again, did the Draft Show give you a
Speaker 1: little early draft show? We get two this week. Bossons
Speaker 1: are out of town, so they were nice enough to
Speaker 1: let us have some fun and uh do some shows
Speaker 1: back to back. Brian brought us here with Dane Burgler
Speaker 1: from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman
Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kent Garrison, Executive Producer. As always, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: we're getting close twenty two days until we get to
Speaker 1: do this for real. Who are very excited about that
Speaker 1: as we're still just kind of trying to put things together.
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point we have a good idea
Speaker 1: about these players who's in play where at this point
Speaker 1: I don't think we really expect too many shockers or
Speaker 1: you know, things we still have to learn or am
Speaker 1: I wrong? It is something that maybe you still I'm
Speaker 1: curious about that. Yeah, I'm curious about this medical stuff.
Speaker 1: Who in particular are you back McKinley, Moreau, those guys.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about some guys at twenty eight that are
Speaker 1: nicked up, right. I just want to I just want
Speaker 1: to know how the health of some of these guys
Speaker 1: is going forward. I think it's going to tell you
Speaker 1: which way this draft might go, especially early. If you
Speaker 1: talk about McKinley the shoulder, you know how far along
Speaker 1: is he is? He? You know, you're I've seen Dane,
Speaker 1: you've had him, and we'll get into your mock draft.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're gonna get into Dane. His last
Speaker 1: mock draft I thought was very interesting. Usually your first
Speaker 1: draft is really good, and your last draft is the
Speaker 1: one you want to hit in all the awards. I
Speaker 1: thought you did some interesting things. Some mock drafts for
Speaker 1: four is to examine scenarios, possibilities. You know, the last
Speaker 1: mock draft that's for accuracy. You're going for the award
Speaker 1: right there. You're going for the t You're going for
Speaker 1: the T shirt to beat Rick Goslin exactly. I have
Speaker 1: one already. Yeah, I'd like to get another, but yeah,
Speaker 1: for the but the mocks right now, there were still
Speaker 1: a few weeks out. Just look at different possibilities. What
Speaker 1: could happen. I think you did that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you did that in the second half the show. We're
Speaker 1: going to get into that first half the show here.
Speaker 1: I want to get into some draft news, some thoughts.
Speaker 1: We've got the thirty visits rolling. We'll get into that
Speaker 1: LSU Pro day. It's one safety running incredibly fast. I'll
Speaker 1: say thirty five. Yeah. I reached out to some people,
Speaker 1: hopefully they're at LSU's pro day. Some scout guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do he four three seven or three eight or
Speaker 1: three eight? Mal Adams? What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: That's media reported. It's also very different than what scouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I reached out. We'll wait and get what officially scouts said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you gonna hate on my guy Dan who Adams? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm with him. If if he ran a
Speaker 1: four four two at the combine, that's a significant difference
Speaker 1: to the point that I don't really Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: buying with there. I'll tell you what. It's like what
Speaker 1: I said last week. Boys, you like the player? Get
Speaker 1: him at thirty eight yards? Yeah, stand there and click
Speaker 1: that click that clock right there for thirty eight for Jamala, Like,
Speaker 1: did anybody need to see him run that? No? But
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: one of those things you're looking, you know, the measurables
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I expect him to run better
Speaker 1: than four or five six. I mean he said that
Speaker 1: that he tests a lot better than that, right, so
Speaker 1: he was looking forward to the pro day to show
Speaker 1: that he runs faster than a four or five six.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a four three athlete now.
Speaker 1: I think he could, you know, be a four four six,
Speaker 1: four four eight somewhere in there type of guy. And
Speaker 1: that's plenty good for a player we project as a
Speaker 1: strong safety. Yeah. See, And this is where I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting, though, Dave. It's gonna be too safety. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna go in the top ten in this draft,
Speaker 1: maybe the top eight, And who do you like better
Speaker 1: than two? We'll get to that five. Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. Well, I'll get into that a little bit
Speaker 1: because Dane's mock draft will kind of tell you what
Speaker 1: he thought that maybe some teams are thinking, Awesome, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have a really good opinion on that matter.
Speaker 1: So I look forward to that. Yeah, that's so proper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really wanted to cuss you out for that. Good
Speaker 1: about it. We're also going to get into some Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty as always, make sure you get your
Speaker 1: questions in at the draft show and Dave will be
Speaker 1: able to answer those for you. Get to Dane. Since
Speaker 1: we're doing the two back to back shows, we're gonna
Speaker 1: save our staple of tell me more till tomorrow. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I want to get into Dane's mock draft.
Speaker 1: But right now, these thirty visits that are going on
Speaker 1: with teams, you know, we're kind of getting an idea.
Speaker 1: It's it's with the Twitter world. You really can't protect
Speaker 1: your your visits too much. Kids will tweet they're visiting agents.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody seems to have an idea. And I
Speaker 1: want to focus a little bit because we are the
Speaker 1: Cowboys here, but you know, I'll take it to anywhere
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys specifically. It looks like just if you
Speaker 1: look at the lists, primarily it's defensive players, big time,
Speaker 1: big time defensive players, which is in a surprise now
Speaker 1: number of corners. We talked about it last week on
Speaker 1: the Draft show. I think we hit the number and
Speaker 1: just yeah, ten or eleven, Yeah, I think we're I
Speaker 1: think we hit that dead on defensive ends being another group,
Speaker 1: I think we expect that, you know, a third corners,
Speaker 1: a third pass rushers, then the last third a combination
Speaker 1: of safeties, maybe a few offensive players sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to get into. I want to
Speaker 1: get into the offensive players. You know, we talk about
Speaker 1: all these defensive players. We know the Cowboys need defense.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's clear that they need they need corners.
Speaker 1: They you know, could surely use a defensive end to
Speaker 1: the point where and safety. I see where you're going
Speaker 1: with this. But I mean, you look at the names
Speaker 1: that are out there, and it's and you can't predict
Speaker 1: it to a certainty always, but it's hard to sit
Speaker 1: there and say, I mean, it looks like their strategies
Speaker 1: that they know they got to get some starter caliber
Speaker 1: players with these first few picks. Yeah, like they know that,
Speaker 1: And that's what the list is. It's starter lubber players
Speaker 1: that you can find at twenty eight and sixty on
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. And I honestly, I
Speaker 1: think they're set up to where I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're backed into a corner, but that is what they
Speaker 1: need to the I mean, and I think that's when
Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of offensive players floating around there,
Speaker 1: because they have set themselves up to where I don't
Speaker 1: know how much they can afford to not address defense
Speaker 1: with at least one of these first two picks. I
Speaker 1: was thinking maybe the first three. I'm and noh, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but I mean, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: be stunned. I mean, that's what I've been preaching all along.
Speaker 1: But again, yeah, at least two. Okay, Well, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this then. Is there an office a player?
Speaker 1: Is there an offensive player in the first three rounds
Speaker 1: that would make you go away? You know? And and
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest. I mean, there's a ton of
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You know, there's some, there's some uh okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's look at the running backs. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: running I mean they're gonna need they They're gonna probably
Speaker 1: look at a running back. I would advise that they
Speaker 1: do sure with you know, Terrence Williams back in the fold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, how much of a need is wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but would one have would would a stack? Would a
Speaker 1: stack have a wide receiver? Would their stack have a
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Over maybe a defensive player is you get
Speaker 1: to a certain level of the defensive players and you
Speaker 1: stop thinking about Okay, now it's not worth it to
Speaker 1: take a defensive player at this spot because of the
Speaker 1: stack the way it is. I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know obviously, but in order to dig a little bit,
Speaker 1: I think we'd look at the top thirty visit and see, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe what offensive guys are they looking at? And Dad
Speaker 1: gives us a clue, and we know, I think it's
Speaker 1: been it's been reported. You just Smith Schuster is one
Speaker 1: of those names, uh, you know, a player who I
Speaker 1: don't I'm waiting till the third round to take him.
Speaker 1: This team might view him as a late too. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And that's and to Dane's point, you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about all the time. Mo Claiborne was the
Speaker 1: last first round pick who did not visit the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and that's because I mean he wasn't really even in
Speaker 1: their range. They didn't I mean at fourteen, which is
Speaker 1: where they were that year. He was not a very
Speaker 1: viable option, So why would you spend a visit on him?
Speaker 1: So now you're probably talking about you know, if an
Speaker 1: offensive player is going to be the guy at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: it's probably a guy that you're not even thinking about
Speaker 1: because it seems implaus See. I think I asked some
Speaker 1: people about Adams and Jamal Jamal Adams, Yeah, Adams and Hooker,
Speaker 1: you know, I asked him about I mean, their their
Speaker 1: thought was they're not in our range, right, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not in our range. There was Solomon Thomas any thing
Speaker 1: with you know a lot of these top ten guys, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm well, I'm thinking off so offensively. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, how far down the board can Corey Davis's
Speaker 1: foot push him? See Williams is another one, or Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: How yeah, that's that's now. Now you're starting to talk.
Speaker 1: And I like what you're saying about Smith Schuster. I
Speaker 1: like with it because he is a visit, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And and this team, David, you've covered this team now.
Speaker 1: They don't bring guys in unless they're thinking about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't just to get the kids from
Speaker 1: frequent flyer Miles a hat. It's about as good of
Speaker 1: a roadmap as you can ask for. I mean, the
Speaker 1: last four years have really proven that in terms of
Speaker 1: I mean getting an idea of what they're looking at,
Speaker 1: who they're who they're thinking about. You remember that the
Speaker 1: private workouts, the visits, those are unlimited. Teams can do
Speaker 1: as many as they want. But the top thirty, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are strict thirty. That's it. You know, you you
Speaker 1: better be bringing in players you're interested in. So if
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster's come in here, there's obviously an interest level.
Speaker 1: To what extent you know, we don't know. Could it
Speaker 1: be a you know, a player there possibly looking at
Speaker 1: in the late second round? Maybe I don't know where,
Speaker 1: I mean, where does he fit on it? So you
Speaker 1: you're talking about it, and I agree with you about
Speaker 1: the about the third round. But but we've we've we've
Speaker 1: tried to educate people that where you're picking in the
Speaker 1: back end of a round, you might have to go
Speaker 1: around early on a guy, right yeah. And so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that you're thinking, oh, well, we'll grab
Speaker 1: him in the third, No you're not, because somebody will
Speaker 1: take him early in the third and then you'll miss
Speaker 1: out on him. And I think we also have to
Speaker 1: consider possible trade back scenarios right where you know, they
Speaker 1: get out of the first round and they trade back
Speaker 1: and they get another Day two pick, or you know,
Speaker 1: and they pick up another third round or whatever the
Speaker 1: trade compensation is would be awesome. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you have a few more options, and ju just miss
Speaker 1: Schuster in the early third becomes much more of a
Speaker 1: viable option. I like with Dane's going here. Teams with
Speaker 1: multiple second round picks hit me, Carolina and Cleveland. Teams
Speaker 1: with multiple third round picks Baltimore, Denver, Kansas City, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: New England, New Orleans, Jets, Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Tennessee. A
Speaker 1: lot of teams I get that probably includes all the
Speaker 1: comp picks. Yeah yeah, and you can trade him now
Speaker 1: you trade those picks. Teams have multiple fourth round picks, Chicago, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: by the way, Cincinnati's got a lot of picks, and
Speaker 1: they won't do anything but sad there and pick you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't trade with Cincinnati. I've been trying to trade
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati since nineteen ninety two. They haven't returned my
Speaker 1: call yet. That's but people sit here and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's too many holes for them to fill with justin
Speaker 1: the draft. Not not quite so fast, my friend. Yes,
Speaker 1: fourth round, fourth round, multiple fourth round picks, Chicago, Cincinnati, Houston,
Speaker 1: Indianapolis to Los Angeles, Rams, Minnesota, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Washington.
Speaker 1: You want your fifth back, Dave? Yeah? I do you
Speaker 1: want your fifth back? Dane? Give me more seconds and
Speaker 1: third and I'm just saying, but you want your fifth back? Sure?
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. I want I want it all. Yeah, multiples, Arizona, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati again, Mike Brown, I gonna take your call. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna let you know that Cleveland's in the mix here,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Green bail trade, Kansas City will trade with you. Miami,
Speaker 1: New England and San Francisco, Ohio. Guy, where's Cleveland picking
Speaker 1: in the second round? Like thirty thirty three? I got
Speaker 1: that in front of me, Dave it get me, get
Speaker 1: me from twenty eight to thirty three, like Cleveland wants
Speaker 1: to Sean Kaiser, Get me gent let me drop back
Speaker 1: five spots and pick up the next get that, get
Speaker 1: that fifth year option for the quarterback. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Get rule that out. I love it all right. Well,
Speaker 1: I went through all that, But we'll get back into
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I love. I love when I want
Speaker 1: multiple that's trade back, get me some picks. Okay, but
Speaker 1: the let's talk about then we got the pick situation
Speaker 1: we're tom about. Okay, you go back, but is there
Speaker 1: any other in the other position I brought up running back?
Speaker 1: Is there an Is there any of those running backs
Speaker 1: that could do multiple things? Is there any running back
Speaker 1: that they could bring in here that they could walk
Speaker 1: through that door? That's that, but I'm worried you might
Speaker 1: have to do it a little earlier again than you
Speaker 1: want to do it. Two of them scream off the page,
Speaker 1: had me, and I think you can name them about
Speaker 1: the West Coast version, in the East coast version. Yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: the Midwest guy in the West Coast guy. I got you,
Speaker 1: And I think you tell everybody. Then you would have
Speaker 1: to make either a Christian McCaffrey or a Curtis Samuel
Speaker 1: a first round pick, if that's the way you wanted
Speaker 1: to go. I think the Curtis Samuel at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: I to me, he is a player I would consider
Speaker 1: in the first round. Now, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people other people share that sentiment, but I do think
Speaker 1: he's a top fifty player. Oh so I'm hoping it's sixty, right,
Speaker 1: it's sixty. I'm not getting him. You're not hoping he's gone.
Speaker 1: I think there's a yeah, a very good chance that
Speaker 1: he's gone. But maybe, you know, because this team needs
Speaker 1: defense obviously, but maybe it's just one of those things
Speaker 1: where if he's still there somehow there's a chance, then okay,
Speaker 1: then we take them there. But I'd be very surprised
Speaker 1: they took him at twenty eight. Either one of them
Speaker 1: could fill for would you take Samuel over a corner?
Speaker 1: Is say you took say you got what what at
Speaker 1: twenty eight? And we're and here I am preaching about
Speaker 1: taking a defensive players and all that, I wouldn't whatever
Speaker 1: you're about to say, I wouldn't do. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: find many people who are bigger fans of Credit Samuel
Speaker 1: than me. He's twenty fifth overall on my board, so
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick on my board. But I
Speaker 1: still feel good that there will be another player on
Speaker 1: defense that's rated right there in that group available that
Speaker 1: and I you know, and I'm jumping off the track
Speaker 1: of the running back a little bit, but I was
Speaker 1: gonna say this. Another guy that really intrigues me, who
Speaker 1: I could see falling is I never say his name, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like you, but Ramshick, Ram check check, I
Speaker 1: never say it right. That one I do get right.
Speaker 1: He's got the hip problem, right, I could conceivably see
Speaker 1: him falling. And you know, maybe if you have a chance,
Speaker 1: Oh we'll get into that, if you have a chance
Speaker 1: to take a guy that good at twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: know you know, offensive line is not a big need,
Speaker 1: but you could talk me into that. But going back
Speaker 1: to Dane's point, I just think there's gonna be enough
Speaker 1: defensive firepower in this draft that you'd be hard pressed there,
Speaker 1: like there will be a guy there that you want
Speaker 1: on defense, and maybe really feel that this is another
Speaker 1: trade back scenario where if you trade back into the
Speaker 1: middle of the second round, Curtis Samuel becomes much more
Speaker 1: of an option possibly. And okay, let's look at the
Speaker 1: running back that chart right now. Zeke obviously in America
Speaker 1: and McFadden's back on what a one year deal, right
Speaker 1: and then in one year? Yeah, got benched last year, right?
Speaker 1: And I think Alfred Morris, most people you know, believe
Speaker 1: that it could be a possible cut, could be a trade.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no guarantee he's on the roster in July,
Speaker 1: so you know running back is a possibility. It's a
Speaker 1: bigger boy. Would that dry people nuts that they took
Speaker 1: Samuel though it's sixty, It would drive people nuts. I
Speaker 1: couldn't he's your twenty fifth best player. Eight. Yes, it
Speaker 1: would be the initial The initial reaction would be anger
Speaker 1: and shock. And then I don't think it would take
Speaker 1: long to talk people into it though, because first of all,
Speaker 1: your number one running back has been acting like a knucklehead.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's a thing to keep in mind. And
Speaker 1: then you're we just no job security for your number
Speaker 1: two or number three. And so if you were to
Speaker 1: draft Curtis Samuel or Christian McCaffrey for that matter, he
Speaker 1: can play running back, receiver, punt returner, and kick returner,
Speaker 1: all of which are things that you need. Curtis Samuel
Speaker 1: had seventy four catches last year. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: got a great route runner, but you hand him the
Speaker 1: football and he'll have some drops, be like Lance Dunbar
Speaker 1: if he actually got involved, right, And that's it was
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel some people want to move him on to
Speaker 1: wide receiver for no. No, but he averaged seven point
Speaker 1: nine yards per rush last Yes, keep him in, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean you can do. I don't know. This team
Speaker 1: on offense isn't the most creative with theirs. That's fair.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to draft to Curtis Samuel, I
Speaker 1: think you you need to be so the two offensive
Speaker 1: players that we would like, and neither one of them could.
Speaker 1: It is possible really at sixty, which would be Smith
Speaker 1: Schuster and Samuel. You don't think miss Schuster wud be
Speaker 1: possible at sixty. It's more likely than Samuel. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree it there, Okay, okay, but here's again, here's the point, though,
Speaker 1: Is he going to be better than is? You pick
Speaker 1: your position, like I said, maybe it's tackle, maybe it's
Speaker 1: running back, maybe it's receiver. Whatever, is the number one
Speaker 1: player available at that position better than the third or
Speaker 1: fourth option. Oh that's why you argued about OJ Howard
Speaker 1: when he was Yeah, it's the same conversation. Maybe it is, David. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's the same argument you make. You take the first
Speaker 1: best tied in right or the fourth best defensive in
Speaker 1: Although theoretic I mean, Curtis Samuel wouldn't be the best
Speaker 1: running back, no button cooking for an at are gone
Speaker 1: and probably McCaffrey whatever. But I get your point. I'd
Speaker 1: argue that in the first round, you just listen your
Speaker 1: top twenty eight players and you're guaranteed at one of them.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of how you know, I mean, whether
Speaker 1: that if it happens to be offense, if it happens
Speaker 1: to be defense, you know, he would be shocked though,
Speaker 1: if they took an offensive player at twenty eight. Here's
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones said this at the combine, and it
Speaker 1: really stuck with me, which is that obviously you don't
Speaker 1: want to reach for need. You want to take the
Speaker 1: best player available, but when it's close, the guy that
Speaker 1: you need looks a lot more interesting when it's a
Speaker 1: close call. And that's what you know, all right, you're
Speaker 1: a moros, a bad example because he's hurt right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: a guy that I really like a lot as an
Speaker 1: option at twenty eight right now, Kevin King. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: Kevin King is sitting there at twenty eight and like
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel's your next I mean, you're gonna take the
Speaker 1: corner or you should yea, yeah, the stack will probably
Speaker 1: show that well. And it's different when you're picking, by
Speaker 1: the way, a visit to Kevin last year when tricking
Speaker 1: top ten and the goals should be to find impact players.
Speaker 1: Then this year when you're picking twenty eight, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're it's more about helping your football team. You know,
Speaker 1: right away with you know you could you could move
Speaker 1: around a little bit with need you know it, taking
Speaker 1: a need player over maybe someone you have a little
Speaker 1: bit higher. You can do that at twenty eight. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that at four. Let me ask you this
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have had terrible luck taken tight ends
Speaker 1: in the second round. Yes, with Samuel be like the
Speaker 1: tight end being taken and they don't use it the
Speaker 1: right way. I'm much more confident that they would use
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel the right way because, good by Lucky Whitehead,
Speaker 1: he's so well, he's so versatile. Yeah, even if he's
Speaker 1: just a return guy. But even I mean they have
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson's another visit here. They have shown I will
Speaker 1: talk about him. Yeah, Samuel's more interests. Good point, just
Speaker 1: for the reason that they have shown a willingness to
Speaker 1: take Zeke off the field before they use They used
Speaker 1: dunbar in two minutes and yeah, block situations. But much
Speaker 1: to everybody's just okashing of teeth, I think it would
Speaker 1: be a little bit different with this guy. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit better, I think, yeah, and then better. They
Speaker 1: rotated more McFadden in every third series or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: so they have shown a willingness to take Zeke off
Speaker 1: the field, and I think with a guy as dynamic
Speaker 1: as him, I think it could pay off. One thing
Speaker 1: to remember was Samuel is he wasn't a return Gattlehouse State,
Speaker 1: so I think he can do it, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: asked to do that on a consistent basis, mostly because
Speaker 1: he was their best offensive threat and they right to
Speaker 1: keep him healthy. So I think he only had six
Speaker 1: career punt returns at Ohio State. So it's something I
Speaker 1: think he can do and we'll get better at. But
Speaker 1: not a guy that is a proven commodity at doing
Speaker 1: that type of thing. I go out on a lemon
Speaker 1: say he could do it just as good as the
Speaker 1: guy who's got the job right now, like right away, Lucky. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd agree. There, there we go. That's all. That's all
Speaker 1: you need to know. Okay, so we agree there there
Speaker 1: are a couple of offensive players that would you know,
Speaker 1: it's a in a thirty visit group that's full of
Speaker 1: defensive players you could potentially see. I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: about Smith Schuster being here. We have to find out
Speaker 1: about Samuel and stuff. But that's that's a great name
Speaker 1: you brought up, by the way. I just I still
Speaker 1: and I've been saying this for most of the time
Speaker 1: we've been doing the show, but I think it will
Speaker 1: take some seriously shocking developments for this to not be
Speaker 1: a defender at twenty eight. Yeah, I think I agree.
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Speaker 1: start this off. We pat ourselves on the back a
Speaker 1: little bit because Hunter wants to know and we sort
Speaker 1: of just touched on this. But is there anybody left?
Speaker 1: And I don't think so because we have been so thorough,
Speaker 1: But is there anybody left at twenty eight that would
Speaker 1: utterly surprise you for this team that you think is
Speaker 1: a realistic option surprise pick? Maybe somebody falls or maybe
Speaker 1: they just do something. We talked about those receivers would
Speaker 1: would would Williams? Well, yeah, we would have to have
Speaker 1: Davis one of those guys. I mean I talked about
Speaker 1: the medical recheck, yeah, with Davis. Davis yet that ankle
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out yet. Yeah, hopes too before the draft.
Speaker 1: So that's still you know what. Who I've seen fall
Speaker 1: that's funny and I know you haven't done it in
Speaker 1: your mock draft is Alan from Alabama. He has kind
Speaker 1: of slipped. I've still see him. I feel like I
Speaker 1: see him in the top twelve more than more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's just funny to see guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know what's going on with the shoulders,
Speaker 1: right that's something that we need to Every team's gonna
Speaker 1: look out a little differently. It's something that Alan has
Speaker 1: said is not an issue right now. He doesn't anticipate
Speaker 1: it being an issue in terms of during his playing days.
Speaker 1: That maybe down the road when he's retired, his shoulders
Speaker 1: will be something that he has to deal with, But
Speaker 1: right now it's not too much of an issue, which
Speaker 1: is why I still think we're gonna see Alan in
Speaker 1: top ten, but you know, he probably won't go as
Speaker 1: high as Maybe it's like Solomon tom everybody kind of
Speaker 1: had him in that then maybe in the in the
Speaker 1: two hole, yeah, San Francisco. But now it's Salomon Thomas
Speaker 1: seems to be the guy that everody falls in love
Speaker 1: with there. I think realist like, I could see a
Speaker 1: receiver or a tackle falling to them, but it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me, though, Ram Chick, that would be fun. What
Speaker 1: about John Ross? See, that's that's another one. I mean
Speaker 1: the medicals all that's scary a little bit obviously. That's
Speaker 1: the knee thing after what the owner general manager said
Speaker 1: about he read shirting players and all that. You know,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they would go that route. But
Speaker 1: he's not hurt, No, he's just has the possibility and
Speaker 1: you had to go with the odds. And there's the
Speaker 1: odds are said, will say that he will at some
Speaker 1: point get hurt again. Yeah, but that's the last thing
Speaker 1: they need, thank you, whether first round pick getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Paul wants to know if a pass rusher is your
Speaker 1: pick at twenty eight, whoever, doesn't matter which dB would
Speaker 1: you love the most at sixty. Realistically speaking, i'd like
Speaker 1: really like tankerously at that point, I think I think
Speaker 1: you're onto something there Clumson corner. Yeah, legit four four athlete.
Speaker 1: When you put them up and press nose to nose
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver, I'll take my chances of Tankersly
Speaker 1: every time. Well, he's a physical son of a gun man.
Speaker 1: Like I say, cover your eyes on some of that
Speaker 1: off coverage stuff. I don't know that you can't play
Speaker 1: him in off coverage. I mean that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He needs to get a lot better. But if you were,
Speaker 1: you would like his toughness. Oh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think every Yeah, the physicality of him as a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks to make wide receivers uncomfortable just from the snap.
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna get in their face, look to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, disrobe them and get them off
Speaker 1: their game, disrupt the timing of the route. Give me
Speaker 1: give me him. If I'm going to be pressing, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to commit to that as a defense,
Speaker 1: then I'll take Tankrously all day long. I think your
Speaker 1: boy Moreau, we'll hang around till sixty with them, just
Speaker 1: kind of I'm just kind of thinking with the peck.
Speaker 1: You know, there's another visit and that's not well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what if he's there at sixty. That's like
Speaker 1: my situation last year with Miles Jack in the second round,
Speaker 1: and Moreau wasn't a lock first rounder. No healthy, I'm
Speaker 1: cheerleading for him. He's probably people are jumping on my
Speaker 1: back about that that's not and that, but that's not
Speaker 1: a red shirt. I mean they're bringing him in, so
Speaker 1: that's at least I feel good about that. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a torn muscle. It's supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I don't look at that. That's not a Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith or a job, but it is a John Ross.
Speaker 1: Thing is this is a player Faby Moreau missed all
Speaker 1: of two and fifteen with an injury, with a foot injury,
Speaker 1: so you know it's something where is a player with
Speaker 1: a history of injuries. But we're talking about sixty and
Speaker 1: not twenty eight, So I think you can take a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a chance. When we're talking about
Speaker 1: the sixtieth overall pick in this draft, Moreau very possibly
Speaker 1: could be there. With people, this is gonna sound nuts.
Speaker 1: Well I'm even asking this. They won't ding tabor that bad? Well,
Speaker 1: they oh, I think it's possible. Sure, I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this. I think it depends a lot on
Speaker 1: his visits and how they feel about him, more so
Speaker 1: than his forty times in my opinion. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a good point. And remember this corn Well,
Speaker 1: you watch the tape, that's it's deep, it's up. But
Speaker 1: then when this corner class, we talked about the jumble
Speaker 1: of players in that in that mix. So if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about Tabor Kevin King, well, we know what King
Speaker 1: can run. Oh no, absolutely King instead, and then you
Speaker 1: do that with you know, Tabor and all the rest
Speaker 1: of these guys, and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: Tabor keeps moving down farther and farther and farther, And
Speaker 1: that's a deep it's deep it is we're about Humphrey. No,
Speaker 1: I there's just too much there to me. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. Sure, I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: see him last into sixty. Um. That's so funny that
Speaker 1: because people would have thought Tabor was better than Humphrey.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, now he runs four six
Speaker 1: one that's from the combine. I know it's for seven
Speaker 1: at the pro day. About a woozy A. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good that's a good name there at six. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: woozy gosh, I don't know. That's that's rich for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for mentioning with school. Yeah, that's rich. Where do
Speaker 1: I have them? I have them high? Um do you
Speaker 1: miss a two three two two forty three overall? See,
Speaker 1: then he's he's okay with that. About Marcus Williams Utah safety,
Speaker 1: Oh now say I mean safety? Yeah? Safety, safety is
Speaker 1: the spot. Yeah. I was thinking of corners, but Marcus,
Speaker 1: he's on the top thirty visit. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a true single high center field type. You know, the
Speaker 1: ball skills, the range, if you if you're gonna invest
Speaker 1: in that, you know, I don't know. Okay, Then what
Speaker 1: do you do with Byron Jones? If can he play?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna leave my corn you can put in
Speaker 1: my corner if you're gonna No, No, I keep him,
Speaker 1: I keep him, I keep him playing. I Playim's, I
Speaker 1: play the other guy, I play the I play Williams
Speaker 1: in center field and put Jones down more as a
Speaker 1: strong Yeah, that's where he's better. No, I agree, Dylan
Speaker 1: makes a really astute up. It's amazing here, what Tabor
Speaker 1: I mean? I thought you guys were gonna just laugh
Speaker 1: me out. No, not the reason they do these tests.
Speaker 1: Nothing has gone right for that guy since the draft process.
Speaker 1: And remember it's not just point, it's not just the
Speaker 1: forty yard dashes, you know, it's it's the rest of
Speaker 1: his testing numbers and his interviews. You know, he just yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who failed drug tests in college.
Speaker 1: He refused to take drug tests in college. At one
Speaker 1: point he compared, you're throwing a lot of dirt on
Speaker 1: the kid right now. It's their facts. I mean, he
Speaker 1: brought him in. What did he compare college too. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever heard that slavery dern version of slavery. Y.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a he's a young, immature kid,
Speaker 1: and he's not talking about Tabor, right, Yeah, most most
Speaker 1: of these guys are. And I mean, I'm I was
Speaker 1: two at twenty one years old, So if you weren't
Speaker 1: talking about slavery in college, though, I'm no. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure who knows what I would have said if
Speaker 1: you had to ask me. Then if I was in
Speaker 1: the public eye at twenty one, I would be in
Speaker 1: some deep crap probably, But yeah, Okay, it's interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Dany that the show, we could go back and find
Speaker 1: like those mock drafts that they do during college football,
Speaker 1: no doubt, where he's a top eight pick, doubt. And
Speaker 1: now you're talking about maybe he's there at sixth. Real quick.
Speaker 1: Building off of that social media I check every single
Speaker 1: social media for every one of these players, and his
Speaker 1: is crazy. Every year every team does, Okay, oh sure
Speaker 1: they do. You can learn a lot about these players
Speaker 1: by just looking at their Twitter feed, their Facebook. What
Speaker 1: did they post, what did they retweet? Who? You know,
Speaker 1: what kind of things are they saying? It's it is
Speaker 1: something scary, it's fascinating. Uh No, I mean most of
Speaker 1: his stuff his agent must have got to him because
Speaker 1: it was deleted already. Um, but some of these guys
Speaker 1: don't do that, don't day, idiot. That's that's the least
Speaker 1: of my worries. Really a stude observation from Dylan. He's
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are off. He said the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have taken a linebacker in twelve straight drafts. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's completely right, but they have taken a linebacker
Speaker 1: in every draft going back to at least like OZ nine.
Speaker 1: So we don't talk a lot about linebacker for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty happy with Wilson and Sacha. They
Speaker 1: want to see what they and that. So he's in
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith if he can play. He's saying, if if
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster were to fall to yeh, there you go.
Speaker 1: Or if Duke Riley was there at sixty, like really
Speaker 1: some of your more top tier linebackers, do you do
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger on that value anyway? Even though
Speaker 1: I agree, I think linebacker is a position you can
Speaker 1: afford to ignore for at least this year. Duke Riley,
Speaker 1: though I have him better than Anderson, I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Duke Riley's in that second round. He's a good player,
Speaker 1: Duke Riley, and he would I know it's LSU and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't like to talk about it. I
Speaker 1: don't either, I really don'te But man, he when you
Speaker 1: watch him play, he gets to the ball in my
Speaker 1: forty two forty two round over YEA take him as sixties.
Speaker 1: So would you do it? Yeah? I mean I at
Speaker 1: that point, I mean, depends who else on the board,
Speaker 1: but he looks like you're I mean, he'd be an
Speaker 1: excellent value pick. He's worth that pick at twenty I
Speaker 1: mean would be playing at Will right right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. You have to keep keep Sean where he
Speaker 1: can play. He's played thirty three games that will fans
Speaker 1: don't want to hear this with a second round pick
Speaker 1: due Riley on special teams. It's just nuts how good
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, you don't want to suppose the
Speaker 1: Dory Jackson can he could? Riley? Could Riley play Mike?
Speaker 1: I know, I feel Foster could. I don't know. Yah,
Speaker 1: Foster could for sure, Yeah, Foster could, for sure. I
Speaker 1: think Foster's a better Will probably, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1: I haven't an outside of background my board. If Foster
Speaker 1: falls to twenty eight, that scares you. You know, why
Speaker 1: why did twenty seven teams just pass on this guy?
Speaker 1: You know? Did it on ray Lewis too? That's true.
Speaker 1: I mean I was in Green Bay when that one
Speaker 1: can fly down the boarder? Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: mean no, I'm just saying, though, you wonder, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: do with with players start sliding. You're absolutely right. You're
Speaker 1: sitting there and you're you're you're thinking, what is going on?
Speaker 1: What do we miss? Then your general manager looks at you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on brought us what's going on? That's exactly Burglar,
Speaker 1: that's your area. What the hell? Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Boss, I don't know when you can sign.
Speaker 1: I'm just as surprised as you are. The four linebackers
Speaker 1: that are healthy and available to play for this team
Speaker 1: right now, and then the Jalen Smith situation. I just
Speaker 1: feel like you can afford to wait a year on that.
Speaker 1: That's you hope about Jalen Smith. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: maybe he plays and plays great, maybe he doesn't. But
Speaker 1: either way, even without him, you still have Leeve Hitchens, Wilson,
Speaker 1: and they do like they do like Wilson and Sacha.
Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. Um Jared with another
Speaker 1: question about this roster. Charles. He says, Charles Tapper's coming back,
Speaker 1: and he says this is his words, not He says
Speaker 1: there's no war daddies to be had at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I feel like y'all would disagree with that possibly. But
Speaker 1: if that's the case, if well, I'll alter the question.
Speaker 1: I'll what your guy, Yeah, would what be a war daddy?
Speaker 1: It's very loose definition. Yeah, war daddy to me was
Speaker 1: always the under size inside play war daddy is my
Speaker 1: guy at at Ohio line, the linebacker Brown Brown. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: you're no. War Daddy just means badass. That's all it means.
Speaker 1: He's a badass. But you're like you're talking about undersize
Speaker 1: like war daddy. Just war daddy means Von Miller. That's
Speaker 1: what it means. Well, of course you're picking at twenty eight, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I guess that's his That's Jared's point is if
Speaker 1: that guy's thank you, Jared. If that guy's not there
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, maybe are we may He's wants to know,
Speaker 1: are we making too much of the need at defensive end?
Speaker 1: Maybe they Maybe it's not something you do. You just hope.
Speaker 1: I think we've we've talked about we have safety. There
Speaker 1: are plenty of bodies at defensive end, Warner bodies on
Speaker 1: the defensive line on this team. So I'm sorry, Joe,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to get kind of snippy with you there.
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at your current roster
Speaker 1: and say, okay, Charles Harris, where would he fall in
Speaker 1: the pecking order on your depth chart? Is he an
Speaker 1: instant starter? Is he a guy who's gonna have to
Speaker 1: start as a backup? And then maybe here it's a
Speaker 1: starting job at some point in his rookie year. How
Speaker 1: does the how do these guys compare to what you
Speaker 1: have on the roster already? That's peak speaking from the cow.
Speaker 1: Harris is different than what they have Because I always
Speaker 1: talk about the left ends. He's a right end. He's
Speaker 1: a right end. He's a right end. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: him or what I have? What right higher? I like
Speaker 1: what I've seen from What more than what I've seen
Speaker 1: from Harris. I mean I'm not the experts like y'all,
Speaker 1: but I like both both the first round players. Pick
Speaker 1: one what Okay, you're gonna pick what. I would take
Speaker 1: what over Harris. One thing with what I don't think
Speaker 1: we've talked enough about is don't say try hard and
Speaker 1: I think about that enough. Yeah, we know who he is.
Speaker 1: You know that's his identity. But is that multiple knee injuries.
Speaker 1: It's something that needs to be talked about. He's here visiting.
Speaker 1: They're gonna push him, pull on him. Remember what, he
Speaker 1: was a guy who didn't play defense until two fifteen.
Speaker 1: I mean he's still raw in several areas. I mean,
Speaker 1: he needs to get better. He's a quarterback in high
Speaker 1: school tight end at Wisconsin when he got there, didn't
Speaker 1: move to defense until two fifteen, So they're still gets
Speaker 1: a pretty good skill for not really knowing how to play. Then, well,
Speaker 1: when you watch and yeah, it's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I like him so much because this last year is
Speaker 1: his first year as a starter. Yeah, and he going
Speaker 1: up what he did as a starter, you expect him
Speaker 1: to get better and better. So, but it is and
Speaker 1: that's something that needs to be talked about with what
Speaker 1: who's got the chance to have the career that's the
Speaker 1: most steady watt or Harris? I mean, if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at twenty eight and it's not a
Speaker 1: war daddy situation, who's got the chance to have the career?
Speaker 1: You know, the guy that's just gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: down after down, He's gonna be what you wanted. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a tough guy. He's gonna play the run,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get pass rush. You think it's what over Harris? Yeah,
Speaker 1: problem of the two. Yeah, the guy that probably is
Speaker 1: gonna have the career of the better rusher is Harris.
Speaker 1: The guy that's going to be the most complete player,
Speaker 1: better all around guy, it's probably gonna be what probably?
Speaker 1: I mean it. I don't think it's a huge gap
Speaker 1: in terms of pass rush ability. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think what can give you enough juice? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think Harris is head and shoulder is the better
Speaker 1: pass rush right, And given that guy's taking at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: don't usually turn into Von Miller. You can hope. I
Speaker 1: can dream lots off the board a Pro Bowl quarterback
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a chance at pick at one, nine, nine.
Speaker 1: Every freaking week I bring this up. But at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: I'm cool with the guy with a high floor, which
Speaker 1: is why I don't have a problem with Charlton. Give
Speaker 1: me the high floor, give me the guy that give
Speaker 1: me the guy that's not going to disappoint me. I'm
Speaker 1: a problem with try. We don't have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I know we don't have an example. I know I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Quick, we got time for one more, sure,
Speaker 1: with one more friend of the show, Bobby Belt. He says, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's seen reports about Justin Evans playing corner and do
Speaker 1: you think that's possible? Yeah, I think that that makes
Speaker 1: some sense because he's a bad tackler and he's a
Speaker 1: very good athlete. So I mean, if you you can't
Speaker 1: be a bad role, you can't be a bad tackler
Speaker 1: and play safety from my team, this you just can't.
Speaker 1: This justin Evans out of A and M. Sorry, right, So,
Speaker 1: but he's a very good athlete straight line speed, he's
Speaker 1: more he's a four or five guy, but he's explosive.
Speaker 1: Um and you know what he can do in coverage
Speaker 1: is why you like him. He's kind of the poor
Speaker 1: man's Millie Cooker where there's some questions in run support,
Speaker 1: a lot more questions with Evans, but I see Hooker
Speaker 1: tackle better than Evans. Yeah, he's a better tackle, but
Speaker 1: Hooker still has his questions and run support. I did
Speaker 1: say this though about Evans, and this is this is
Speaker 1: from my notes. If he could tackle, you might consider
Speaker 1: him in the first round. Yeah, yeah, I put that
Speaker 1: in my notes because I went back and we're doing
Speaker 1: it for the magazine. I went back and read every
Speaker 1: he's one of the top ten guys I have at
Speaker 1: that position, and I and I he is one of
Speaker 1: those guys that the coverage part of it is I
Speaker 1: think is really good. I really don't want to safety
Speaker 1: who can't tackle, but he would make me. Really he's
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty tackler at best. That's awful. And he's
Speaker 1: he's a no, he's a faster. JJ Wilcox is what
Speaker 1: he is. JJ was better than fifty fifty. I think
Speaker 1: it at times in twenty sixteen, at least, see this
Speaker 1: guy didn't take terrible angles. This guy will take some
Speaker 1: bad angles, not terrible ones. I don't know if to
Speaker 1: do it justin Evans because I think he can't get
Speaker 1: better and run support, but how much better? And that
Speaker 1: basically dictates how how you draft them. If you think
Speaker 1: he can get it markedly better and run support, than
Speaker 1: you consider them in the second round. But I worry.
Speaker 1: That's why I game A three to four on my board.
Speaker 1: I have him the fourth myself. Yeah, all right, but
Speaker 1: this thing about it is, if they took him at sixty,
Speaker 1: what conversation we're gonna have that night. Brian's gonna throw
Speaker 1: something against the studio wall. I'll try would be nice,
Speaker 1: That would be a reach a little bit. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you very much, day, thank everybody out
Speaker 1: there for the questions on Twitter. On the twenty. When
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Speaker 1: Just a reminder, we're gonna do the skin tomorrow, same time,
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Speaker 1: with the partnership that we have with one oh five three,
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Speaker 1: picks in the NFL Draft. I'm really love that this
Speaker 1: time of year that war Room Cam as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: calendar year. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But and again,
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Speaker 1: about the whole National Football League. So if you're you know,
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Speaker 1: But we're gonna we're gonna talk about all your picks.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna talk about, Hey, Atlanta, did this
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Speaker 1: about three weeks twenty two days, So looking forward to that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler put up a mock draft this week. I
Speaker 1: always think the first one is your best one, in
Speaker 1: your last one is the one that you try and
Speaker 1: win an award on to be the right one. So
Speaker 1: and remember, mock drafts are not what we think should happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not what I would do. They're just make people think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you try to guess what could happen, and remember they're
Speaker 1: always surprises on draft day, so you kind of try
Speaker 1: and read the tea leaves and figure out connect the dots,
Speaker 1: figure out what those surprises might be. First three picks
Speaker 1: really no surprise, Scott Miles Garrett going to the Browns
Speaker 1: forty nine ers taken Solomon Thomas. Real quick about Salomon
Speaker 1: Thomas maybe the safest player in the draft. As long
Speaker 1: as you feel comfortable with this scheme fit, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's the biggest question. Would you like to fit
Speaker 1: in San Francisco there with a three to four team?
Speaker 1: They're playing for three now. They moved back, and that's
Speaker 1: the big issue because they have Buckner and Armstead. That's okay,
Speaker 1: they switched it back then this way well, in the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers are a true wild card with a
Speaker 1: brand new head coach, John Lynch, first year general manager,
Speaker 1: who knows if it doesn't matter who's on the roster
Speaker 1: right now, the players on the roster are not tied
Speaker 1: to this current regime. So forty nine Ers could go
Speaker 1: and any single direction. But I do think to your point,
Speaker 1: Salmon Thomas being more of a safer pick, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he'd be a great place to start building the
Speaker 1: new forty nine ers. H I'm hearing some whispers that
Speaker 1: Carolina could come to that pick at two that means
Speaker 1: they would go from eight to two, and I've heard
Speaker 1: that too, and I just don't get it. When you can,
Speaker 1: like all we've talked about this whole draft cycle is like, man,
Speaker 1: San Francisco is in a tough spot because who do
Speaker 1: you There's nobody that you really feel great about it too,
Speaker 1: So why would you give up assets to go up
Speaker 1: to a spot you don't feel great about. I think
Speaker 1: the problem is is there's the top six players and
Speaker 1: there's a drop off, and the Panthers at eight are
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, we're on the outside looking end.
Speaker 1: We want to get one of those top six guys,
Speaker 1: and so but to get up that high, it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna take a future one, and that's you just can't
Speaker 1: do that. I love Salmon Thomas, but you can't trade
Speaker 1: a future one. A guy that will chart right here,
Speaker 1: the guy that'll be there for you at eight is
Speaker 1: better than getting rid of a future one on the
Speaker 1: Cowboy chart three thousand excuse me, a twenty six hundred
Speaker 1: four through the math here, guys, twenty six hundred for
Speaker 1: that second all pick. To get there, you're at sitting
Speaker 1: at the Carolina, you're at the fourteen hundred. It's twelve
Speaker 1: hundred points. Yeah. So yeah, that's probably I mean, that's equal,
Speaker 1: that's basically equal the twelfth overall pick. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it would cost you. Yeah to go and the Panthers
Speaker 1: you expect them to be picking not in the top
Speaker 1: ten next year, Yeah, exactly. Uh, I've got Lattimore going
Speaker 1: to Cleveland at three, Chicago at three. Excuse me, Jacksonville
Speaker 1: takes Jonathan Allen at four, Tennessee the pick Jacksonville. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with them because their roster,
Speaker 1: they have a good roster, like you, but you keep
Speaker 1: adding defensive players too, a position by position. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't have like a glaring need except just that quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, Blake Bortles is the guy right now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they because they addressed they do so much in free
Speaker 1: agency and they've had a lot of hot, lofty draft picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah they should be better than they are. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't do it, But a lot of people pencil
Speaker 1: in Leonard Fournette at four, and I'm just like, don't
Speaker 1: they have Yelden and Ivory? Like what, why do they
Speaker 1: need a running back that badly that they would spend
Speaker 1: a top five pick on one. Well, you could argue
Speaker 1: that's maybe the biggest need, just because they're so they're
Speaker 1: they're steady at every other position. I mean, they addressed
Speaker 1: corner and that that's gross that they gave Chris Ivory
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars and they drafted t J. Yelden in
Speaker 1: the top fifty, so he was a top fifty pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: second rounder, ross early second rounder. You get to wonder
Speaker 1: with Tom Coughlin coming in, how that might affect their draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thinking so Jaguars, I mean, all these guys are wild card,
Speaker 1: all these teams are wild cards. But another one we'll
Speaker 1: get through this Tennessee, Tennessee. It takes Adam Smillis, Shoe
Speaker 1: Jets take Trubisky from North Carolina quarterbacks. Who knows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: bleek Hooker goes to the Los Angeles Chargers. So you've
Speaker 1: got a sepisode of going before Hooker. Yeah? Is that
Speaker 1: just because that can't because of his injury? Just thinking
Speaker 1: because with Adams you have a safer player Hooker because
Speaker 1: it hasn't been able to work out. And I That's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say earlier. I do. I agree
Speaker 1: with it, Like I think Malie Hooker has the higher potential,
Speaker 1: but Adams is the more surefire, steady player. Yeah, no question.
Speaker 1: I got Hooker over Adams myself. I think so why Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think everybody that drafts the safety wants him to
Speaker 1: be Ed Reid and have like seventy career intersevens. Sure,
Speaker 1: Malie Hooker has a better potential to turn into that
Speaker 1: guy than Jamal Adams. But Jamal, But Jamal Adams is
Speaker 1: a ready made beast who will be able to do
Speaker 1: everything from day one. I just don't he'll be a
Speaker 1: leader in your locker room from yeah one. But I
Speaker 1: just I don't think he'll be that. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he'll reach that Earl Thomas level. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. But he's very well rounded. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he he's not gonna hurt you out there. But I
Speaker 1: think I and this is and I went to LSU,
Speaker 1: but I think I'd rather have the guy with the
Speaker 1: higher potential. I agree, So give me Hooker even though
Speaker 1: he hasn't be able to work out he's been injured
Speaker 1: one year. Guy, Yeah, I still take Cooker. Okay, sorry
Speaker 1: about there's checking to see if we get any pro
Speaker 1: dam page. I'm gonna get to these. I do want
Speaker 1: to get to the boys. Ye five minutes ago, just
Speaker 1: if you let me, I got a fournette to Carolina
Speaker 1: at eight. Cincinnati takes Derek Barnett from Tennessee. Boy, that's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt the Cowboys right there. But that's what you
Speaker 1: thought all along. Top twelve type guy number ten, Buffalo
Speaker 1: takes Corey Davis. New Orleans at eleven takes Ruben Foster.
Speaker 1: Cleveland at twelve takes Oj Howard. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have quarterback kind of thrown into that mix. But we'll
Speaker 1: see Arizona Deshaun Watson. That's thirteen. Philadelphia takes Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: at fourteen. That's an interesting addition, right thought. If I'm
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan, I hate that. That's that's not good.
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts take Hassan Riddick at fifteen. Baltimore takes Mike
Speaker 1: Williams at sixteen. Washington at seventeen takes Malik McDowell. Kind
Speaker 1: of a player. They kind of do that, they take,
Speaker 1: They take those guys, and you know these defensive ends
Speaker 1: nobody kind of. I mean you kind of some questions
Speaker 1: out ability he would play in for them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he could play both. I think yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he plays the appeal with him. Yeah. Tennessee with their
Speaker 1: second first round pick at eighteen, take In Joku tied
Speaker 1: in from Miami. Here's where he gets interesting. Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: at nineteen takes Mellofagu. Wow, damn there, and you don't
Speaker 1: like him? No, I mean, who saw Kean O'Neill and
Speaker 1: Karl Joseph both going top twenty last year. Good point,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think Obi Melonfonimo was a prime
Speaker 1: candidate to be overdrafted. Uh And I mean you guys.
Speaker 1: I saw you guys gushing about how he just looked
Speaker 1: in Oh, we saw him. You know, he's Kirk kurb
Speaker 1: Street gives out the awards for like who looks best
Speaker 1: in their uniform? Yeah, that guy, he does. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That would be that. I think that would catch Dallas
Speaker 1: a little bit. By surprise, twenty eight feels high for Obie.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine if he goes top twenty. Ram
Speaker 1: Chick goes at twenty Detroit at twenty one takes t J. Watt.
Speaker 1: That's another one where Dallas kind of goes, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: is that a real pen drop or a fake penn No,
Speaker 1: that's a real one. That's a real mad. That's real mad.
Speaker 1: You know. Now you're now you're starting to panic a
Speaker 1: little bit because you're seven picks away, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're you're sitting there and you're you're starting to lose players.
Speaker 1: Read off the rest because I've I've got an idea here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're going to rest. Get ready, and then
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Bowser Taias Bowser from UH from Miami
Speaker 1: takes him at twenty two the Giants Patrick Mahomes quarterback
Speaker 1: Texas techt twenty three, Oakland takes Dalvin Cook. Holy smokes,
Speaker 1: if Dalvin Cook makes it all the way to Oakland.
Speaker 1: At twenty four, a man Reggie McKenzie, big hogshead cheese,
Speaker 1: is gonna be going nuts if that happens. Houston at
Speaker 1: twenty five takes Garrett. I always missed that one up
Speaker 1: bowls Utah tackle. Here's Seattle. Here's another one. Kevin King.
Speaker 1: Dave helm now is upset. Dave throws his highlights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is at one. Twenty six Kevin Kelvin King goes
Speaker 1: to Seattle, Kansas City takes a Gerard Davis linebacker from Florida.
Speaker 1: And now it's Dallas is on the clock. Okay, And
Speaker 1: here's what I was gonna say. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: he's left on the board. Yeah, tell me who's left
Speaker 1: on the board. Yeah, if Charles Harris is on the board,
Speaker 1: Tack McKinley is on the board, Fabian Moreau's on the board,
Speaker 1: Tabor's on the board, and Dane Burgler takes a Dorry Jackson.
Speaker 1: Explain yourself there, mister Burgler. This team likes him. This
Speaker 1: team likes a Dorry Jackson quite a bit. And I
Speaker 1: drop in knowledge, just dropping knowledge. I think at Dorry
Speaker 1: Jackson to me, I gave a second third round grade.
Speaker 1: I really worry about him in coverage. And that's that's
Speaker 1: what you want to hear. Yeah, exactly. But he's an
Speaker 1: elite athlete, and like, this is a player who had
Speaker 1: eight special teams touchdowns and we talked about it earlier,
Speaker 1: four on punts, four returns on kicks. H So he
Speaker 1: immediately helps you on special teams as a return man.
Speaker 1: And then at Dory Jackson's one of the top thirty visits.
Speaker 1: You know they're bringing them in. They're gonna do their
Speaker 1: research on him. I don't know. I think I think
Speaker 1: at Dorriy Jackson's gonna end up in the first Does
Speaker 1: you have the link that they like? I mean the length,
Speaker 1: the arm Lenk we've talked just I think it just enough.
Speaker 1: I mean not he doesn't have Kevin King. Are you
Speaker 1: hoping here right now? It's it's not selling me on this.
Speaker 1: He's he's got what thirty thirty one and three eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just over thirty one. That's what you want as a corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's and that's true. He doesn't that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the height. But Will McClay tells
Speaker 1: you that he likes a corner with it has some reach.
Speaker 1: So here's what I was gonna say. I'll make my
Speaker 1: point quickly, and it works out perfectly. Dane has three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going off the board. Deshan Kaiser still there when
Speaker 1: they pick. He's got him going thirty two to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: We also talked about Cleveland at thirty three. I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be my dream scenario in this instance,
Speaker 1: is to try to get out of twenty eight and
Speaker 1: get somebody to come up and get Kaiser. If I
Speaker 1: couldn't do that, I would draft either. So you're not
Speaker 1: liking the names. You're not liking Harris, I couldn't McKinley.
Speaker 1: If I couldn't do that, I would draft probably Tack, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I never thought. I know. We've come full circle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've come What just happened? Yeah, I read a report
Speaker 1: because I had to write a story. I read a
Speaker 1: report that he thinks he can be ready by the
Speaker 1: end of camp. So I'm not that scared about the Labram,
Speaker 1: and I think he's the best possible option. Look at
Speaker 1: the smile on this guy's face. Hey, you investigated. They
Speaker 1: read the last stuff. Few picks before we get out
Speaker 1: of here. You got twenty nine Green Bay taking Gary
Speaker 1: on Conley, Pittsburgh taking a gamble on Jabril Pepper's Taco,
Speaker 1: Charlton to Atlanta, and Deshaun Kaiser rounding it out. Going
Speaker 1: to the same all right, David Hellman wants to go back.
Speaker 1: Dane Burglar thinks the Cowboys ought to take a look
Speaker 1: at a Dory Jackson. Not that they should, but they
Speaker 1: will and they have. It's not about what they should do,
Speaker 1: it now what he thinks they will do? Yeah, no, no, hey,
Speaker 1: and he's right. He's here for one of the thirty visits,
Speaker 1: which is going on right now. So okay, well, hey,
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