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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zarah Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: How you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good, just sitting over here waiting for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you finally made it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just woke up. Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay. Pierce Brosnan, you like him?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 4: It was just his birthday a little while ago. He

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Speaker 4: was a street performer back in the day, like when

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Speaker 4: he was before, he was an actor, before he was James.

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Speaker 3: Bond like a break dancer, no better.

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Speaker 4: He ate fire. He was a fire. Brosnan was a

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Speaker 4: fire eater. Got another one for it? Yeah, wrap it around,

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Speaker 4: good luck? Now another one? Teenager Christopher Walking. You know

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Speaker 4: about him. He was also a circus performer. I didn't

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Speaker 4: know that he was a clown and a lion tamer.

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Speaker 4: Terrifying lion taming Christopher Walking bad.

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Speaker 3: I can see but a Christopher Walking as a clown.

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Speaker 4: And he always referred to his his lion as a dog.

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Speaker 4: So there's this quote of him where he says, like

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Speaker 4: when I said she was like a dog, she was.

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Speaker 4: You could pet it and she would shed rub your

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Speaker 4: head on you. I would come into a cage and

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Speaker 4: wave my whip and she kind of lazily get up

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Speaker 4: and so like a dog and maybe give a little

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Not really, it was the worst, kind of like Also,

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Speaker 3: there's a is it a cartoon bear?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't practice at all. I just did it cold.

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Speaker 3: That was so good, though. Yeah, there's way better than

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Speaker 3: I could have done.

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Speaker 4: She was like a dog. So there you go. He

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Speaker 4: had a dog cat that he lion tamed with.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, so you could just cuddle on the line.

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Speaker 4: I thought you'd like that, I do ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. Did you know his family own like a bakery?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I did, remember that.

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Speaker 3: You told me that and I made it up, So yeah.

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Speaker 4: Remember me more of your false facts.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, gangs of thieves?

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Speaker 4: Uh huh, I'm in, I'm listening. Check that's it.

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Speaker 3: No pretending to be fancy folk.

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Speaker 5: Oh ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous

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Speaker 3: capers heist cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: You damn right.

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Speaker 3: You remember the forty Elephants gag?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally London.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they would like pose a sort of upper middle

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Speaker 3: class ladies out on a shopping day, except they were

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Speaker 3: expert pickpockets, shoplifters.

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Speaker 4: And if you challenge, they come at you with the hat.

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Speaker 3: Pict Yeah, they'd steal things and be gone before anyone noticed.

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Speaker 4: They're so good.

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Speaker 3: And then there were ringleaders in the group. It kind

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Speaker 3: of rotated in and out like menudo and there. But

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Speaker 3: there was an extensive work. Yes, they had a.

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Speaker 4: Crew at least forty of them, at least.

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Speaker 3: Forty and they did not look like elephants. Sometimes they

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Speaker 3: had to be in elegant like pull a smash and grab.

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Speaker 3: Remember when they drove a car through the front window

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Speaker 3: of a shop, that was just desperation, amazing. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: for the most part they were sneaky and a lot

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Speaker 3: of women and their families benefited from their criminals. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did you know this seven to eleven by my house

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Speaker 4: Yeah for real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oakland, Yeah, Oakland, So that was a long tradition there.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course this is not a new crime.

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Speaker 3: These are the ancient arts. So anyway, what if I

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Speaker 3: were to tell you, okay about a couple of gangs.

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Speaker 3: I love gangs go on with a charismatic leader.

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Speaker 4: I love charismatic leaders who took.

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Speaker 3: It a step further up the social ladder.

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Speaker 4: I love a step too. You would like that one line, steppers, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: my people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me start by explaining a character an architects.

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Speaker 2: Right, please, Raffles.

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Speaker 4: Raffles. Raffles liken't like buy a ticket.

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Speaker 3: No as a name. Oh, I mean, Raffles sounds like

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Speaker 3: If I stumbled across this imaginary Raffles, I'd pick him up.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Now, I got my eye on a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of a shelter right now.

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Speaker 4: I noticed when I come by there's always a dog

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Speaker 3: I think, I think it's it's almost time for me

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Speaker 4: I'm happy for you, Yeah, so mine.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, Raffles isn't a shelter dog. It's a fictional character.

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Speaker 3: Arthur J. Raffles, commonly known as a J. Raffles, which

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Speaker 3: sounds like a character on an eighties teen after school sitcom,

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Speaker 3: Like AJ Raffles, he's the cool kids dadd to.

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Speaker 4: Corvette played by young George Clooney.

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Speaker 3: So this character, Arthur J. Raffles was created in eighteen

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Speaker 4: His name is Art Raffles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Art Raffles by E. W.

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Speaker 4: Hornung w Oh like Paul Horning, like the Golden Golden

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Speaker 3: H yeah, it was exactly eighty eight from the Green

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Speaker 3: Bay Packer.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, it's a name unfamiliar with the same guy

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Speaker 3: The yeah yeah so but this dude e w. He

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Speaker 3: was the brother in law of one Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,

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Speaker 4: Your man, Yeah, hit him up.

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Speaker 3: Raffles is pretty much dark Sherlock.

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Speaker 4: He married his sister and he's like I'm.

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Speaker 3: Lock exactly so like Raffles doesn't solve crimes and commits them.

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Speaker 4: Oh that dark shore.

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Speaker 3: But he's not some like low life. He's a gentleman's thief.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay.

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Speaker 3: He lives in a Yes, yes, he lives in a

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Speaker 3: I think they did it really Yeah. And he's a

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Speaker 3: clever burglar of those in his social set, okay. And

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Speaker 3: And so just like Holmes with Doctor Watson, Raffles has

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Speaker 4: Bunny Yeah, Bunny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Bunny he's like a former schoolmate who tags

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Speaker 4: Saved it from disgrace.

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Speaker 3: Yea life now exactly. And the thing is is, like

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Speaker 3: based this friendship that Raffles that this this aristocrat had

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Speaker 4: Oh, so they made up a story of why they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like so I think that this was the

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Speaker 3: if he was like these two gentlemen are.

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Speaker 4: Just telling story. He has a life debt to him

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Speaker 4: because he saved his life back in India exactly.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, in the books.

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Speaker 4: Oh Wowfles, I mean, I feel terrible for the people

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Speaker 3: So Raffles and Bunny they they rob the rich and

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Speaker 3: then they have they gift to the poor themselves themselves.

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Speaker 3: They have gentlemen thief adventures all across Europe mass and

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Speaker 3: Raffles in the books has quote the subtle power of

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Speaker 3: making himself irresistible at will. Really that's a good power.

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Speaker 4: He can just turn it on like that. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Turn as to his victims, he says, quote, we can't

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Speaker 3: wrong anyway, so good, so good. He does have a code.

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Speaker 3: He won't steal from his host if he's staying somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Okay, pologies, and he won't kill also excellent, right now, He.

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Speaker 3: Uses burglary tools like hand drills. He has skeleton keys,

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Speaker 3: a small lantern. He has this thing that's very like

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Speaker 3: Batman Inspector Gadget esque. It's a rope ladder that can

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Speaker 4: So he's like a Victorian utility belt Batman.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So, like he scopes out his targets well

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Speaker 3: any situation that arises when he's on the job, like

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Speaker 3: he improves well. Yeah, And he's always talking about how

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Speaker 3: he's going to retire after one last high school next exactly,

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Speaker 3: the south of France. So the character was huge. When

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Speaker 3: fictional character at the time, behind Sherlock Holmes. So any

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Speaker 3: criminals in literature at the time were generally violent and charmless,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love this.

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Speaker 3: It was very appealing. People ate it up. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: Raffles became the archetype of the gentleman thief. And anytime

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Speaker 3: a real life criminal in any way resembled Raffles through

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Speaker 3: either their mo or their appearance, the papers would reference

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Speaker 3: the character, and so much so that Raffles became shorthand

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Speaker 3: for a gentleman thief. Okay, so they'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's a sort of raffles and or, in the case

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Speaker 4: Oh a twist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have two women to tell you about.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 3: They both operated under the raffles playbook. They were charming

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Speaker 3: and beautiful, they had sidekicks, and they stole from the

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Speaker 3: wealthy that they mingled with. Yes, so let's start with

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Speaker 3: Josephine o'dair.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh dare you?

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Speaker 3: She was born Teresa Agnes Skern. Yeah, ou in eighteen

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Speaker 3: ninety nine in Herefordshire, England.

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Speaker 4: Skirt says like something you would say if you dropped

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Speaker 4: like an iron on your foot. Skirt.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know now that I admit to watching television, Yes,

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Speaker 3: isn't it Michael Scarn the fake character that Michael Scott

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Speaker 3: has in Threat Level Midnight, the fake movie.

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Speaker 4: I have to admit I do not know the office

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Speaker 4: is that true? Producer deed, do you know anything about this?

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Speaker 4: It's ringing a strong bell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not positive. I just pulling it

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Speaker 4: Things are still a little dusty now that you're being honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly open. It's so stipid being stolen where I

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Speaker 3: So later the cops could find no such uncle, surprise,

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Speaker 3: History lost to history. No, but o'dair referred to him

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Speaker 3: He hit people in Scotland. Yard Detective Charles Leech said

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Speaker 3: so let's go back to Odare. Though she hung out

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Speaker 3: She would throw down one hundred pound bets like it

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Speaker 3: She became one of the bright young things, okay that

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Speaker 3: These bohemian young aristocrats and socialites. They threw flamboyant parties,

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Speaker 3: They would They had these weird, elaborate treasure hunts through London,

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Speaker 4: Yes, like rich people running around to find like that's fun, totally.

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Speaker 4: Sign me up, Anime Wong, how do we get in.

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Speaker 3: So she's to keep up. She has to move her

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Speaker 3: And you know, they're all delirious with drink and drugs

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Speaker 3: I want to be sick, And then the Captain save Odairs,

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Speaker 3: they would be chivalrous to this gorgeous young lady and

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Speaker 4: Did she get her initial seed money?

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Speaker 3: Well, Sarin, she forged the will of a Birmingham lawyer, okay,

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Speaker 3: But it was a forged will that started it all, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So Josephino dare yo Joey O'Dare Joey o'dared joe dare

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Speaker 4: De snitched.

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Speaker 3: She totally snitched. One of her former friends said that

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Speaker 4: There's two ways to interpret that, like, so a good

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Speaker 3: She crossed the line.

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Speaker 4: So she crossed the line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's now a lady.

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Speaker 3: Here's a quote from the letter. Okay, here, I should

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Speaker 3: it is somewhat painful to come in contact with them daily.

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Speaker 4: I need to start accusing my friends of having a

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Speaker 4: lewdness of conversation. I think, so you, guys, I'm not

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Speaker 3: That's what you'd say to me. So odare she asks?

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Speaker 3: She's suffering, she asked some quote if there could be

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Speaker 4: Yep, there it is. Yeah, you know, I like picturing

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Speaker 4: and use it as a pillow.

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Speaker 3: And so Yen Dell, He's like, too bad, so sad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So she did the rest of her time while

441
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: she was in prison. She wrote plays, worked on her autobiography.

442
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: Which Welcome to the Book close.

443
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: She wanted it was supposed to be a real corker,

444
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 3: and she wanted it to be published in the States.

445
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 4: Of course.

446
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: That's yeah exactly, and so not much is known of

447
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: her life after lock up. In nineteen thirty three, she

448
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: sued Reynold's Illustrated News for running a series of stories

449
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: called My Life and My Lovers by Josephine O'Dare.

450
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 4: It's so dare and.

451
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: So they were. They were scorchers. I met, everyone loved them.

452
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: The paper said that o'dair wrote the pieces and that

453
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: she'd been paid for them. She said, that's all fiction.

454
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: I never saw time. Yeah. So the jury eventually sided

455
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: with o'dair and awarded her one farthing in damages.

456
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: Oh man, so they're just laughing about that. But then

457
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: somebody thinks her name is worthwhile to just attach it

458
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: to this string of like erotica. Hey people, bottom wow,

459
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 4: they're like, her name's the paper.

460
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: Well, and at some point she changed her name to Brooks,

461
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: and she took up with an older gentleman. And it

462
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: looks like she had an okay life, although she was

463
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 3: plagued by insomnia, and she still liked the booze. And

464
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: it was that combo that brought about her end when

465
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: she accidentally overdosed on sleeping pills in nineteen fifty one

466
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: at the age of fifty two.

467
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah gone, yeah.

468
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: So that you know, that sums her up, That wraps

469
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: her up. Okay, an interesting story for you know, rags

470
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: to riches to rags to sadness, yeah.

471
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 4: To fabrications of one's life.

472
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: What struck me about her is the fact that she

473
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: fully believed at the end of her life that she was,

474
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, this person.

475
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: She'd done it long enough to now she was just crossed.

476
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: Over, Yeah, exactly. So that's that's Josephino Dare. Now let's

477
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: meet Amalie Conde mean ooh con de mean. She was

478
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: the daughter of a butcher in the Loire region of France,

479
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: wine country. Yes, and so she was born sometime in

480
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: the eighteen fifties, but it's unclear what year. And she

481
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: married Ulysses Portal when she was eighteen. Portal was a

482
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: wine merchant and he was thirty two. So they get married.

483
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 4: They moved to Paris, kind of a May October relationship, yes.

484
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: And so they fought a lot and the marriage lasted

485
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: a very difficult ten years, and then she picked up

486
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: stakes moved to America.

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: She didn't like un alive him as they said, I

488
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: know you hate it.

489
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: I hate that, just say it. And so it's not

490
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: a lot is known about what she did in America,

491
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: but it was fantastic.

492
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: Oh really, what is known is fantastic.

493
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: She had pictures of herself with all these members of

494
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: New York society, and there's one where she's even like

495
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: up in a hot air balloon.

496
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 4: You're talking like the astors the Vanderbilt House, and.

497
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: So she's in this hot air balloon, waving with like

498
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: all the other swells. Yes. In eighteen eighty eight, though

499
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 3: France called, she went back. Oh she missed it and

500
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: shed But this time she arrives. She has a new name,

501
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: Comtesse de Montaie.

502
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a nice little switch. She's now a contest,

503
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: She's a comtest.

504
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: Another photo that she had on her was a man

505
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: in uniform, and she told people that was her dad,

506
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: Count de Montoy. Of course, yeah, there was no count

507
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: or comtest des Montoy.

508
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: You think they would have records of that. You think

509
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: you're pretty easy to check.

510
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like whatever, it sounds great for the uninitiated anyway.

511
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: So she lives in Paris, but she worked in Monte Carlo, Geneva, Alexandria,

512
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: and the towns of the French Riviera.

513
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 4: That's all the tourist spots of the Mediterranean, essentially wealthy. Yeah.

514
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: And when I say she worked, I mean she crimed.

515
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: She worked them.

516
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: She worked them like what happens in Monte Carlo stays

517
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: in Monte Carlo are in.

518
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: The pockets of those who worked.

519
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: Exactly much like Vegas by offering gambling where everywhere else

520
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: has banned it. People went there to cut loose, and

521
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: the ones who could afford to do so did so

522
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: in style. Monte Carlo is wealthy. There's this guy, Mark Broad,

523
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: a historian. He wrote a book called Making Monte Carlo,

524
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: a History of Speculation and Spectacle. He said, Monte Carlo

525
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: created quote this ethos for elite people to aspire to,

526
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: which is, not only are you able to move freely,

527
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: but doing so, you are able to flout the laws

528
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: of your home country. And that's not seen as dishonorable.

529
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: It's seen as enviable and glamorous. So there's this like

530
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: sense of danger and edge. Yeah. So the cops there,

531
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, they got their eyes peeled. They first noticed

532
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: her in eighteen ninety two when there were a bunch

533
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: of thefts at a hotel where she was staying, and

534
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: she slipped away and then spent the next sixteen years

535
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: as a gentlewoman thief. Wow, she got away with it

536
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: for a long time.

537
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: Sixteen years.

538
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: Sixteen years. She ran a gang.

539
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: She was good.

540
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Everyone in her gang took on noble titles

541
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: and like aristocratic identities. Some would be Swiss, others were

542
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: Greek shipping airs, some were just Italians. Just in from

543
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: their luxurious palazzo. She was an expert observer of character

544
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: and behavior, and she took copious notes. Well it's helpful

545
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: for her, but like not for her downfall. She wrote

546
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: all this stuff about like everything she saw and observe

547
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 3: the people, the places. She would break in. I'll give

548
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: you a little bit more on that later. She'd break

549
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: into her target's hotel room early in the morning, lift

550
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: anything of worth, and then slip out undetected. A newspaper

551
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: article described her methods quote. With persons who slept soundly,

552
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: she relied on her own light step to escape observation

553
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: while she searched through chests and jewel cases. But with

554
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: light sleepers, she invariably found it necessary to use chloroform

555
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: to ensure herself against possible discovery stay asleep. So she'd

556
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: chloroform people to knock them all the way out while sleep.

557
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: I mean, she was really good at this because she'd

558
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: get all low and like really closely monitor their breathing

559
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: and their heart rate, like lifting the breathing. Yeah, and

560
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: so she took them to unconsciousness but not death.

561
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, she didn't alive, And I figure you can.

562
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: You're pretty good at that.

563
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little ether, just kinda gently do it. So

564
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: later in the morning, when.

565
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: It says she looked through jewel cases, I like to

566
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: imagine that she was looking through CDs.

567
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: And CD tool cases. Yeah, exactly, and various like ps

568
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: two games. All right. So later in the morning she

569
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: would overhear hotel staff talking about the burglary, and then

570
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: she'd act all freaked out like m yeah, she'd be like,

571
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: I have to change hotels. She'd put on this show

572
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: about how she didn't feel safe. She went up to

573
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: one property manager and said, quote, my jewels are extremely valuable,

574
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: worth over three hundred thousand francs. I cannot dream of

575
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: staying in a hotel where a man can steal into

576
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: my bedroom at night without being seen and Robbie of

577
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: my jewels. It is outrageous, horrible, and it means gross

578
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: carelessness on your part, monsieur.

579
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: I love that she drops then sneak in like subtly.

580
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: Suddenly change things. Yeah, oh, I thought that was so smart.

581
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: So she throws this hissy fit and then she says

582
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: that's it, I'm leaving, and she goes to pay your

583
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: bill and leave in a huff. But most of the time,

584
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: the manager will be like, no, no, no, it's on the house.

585
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: You don't have to pay your bill. I refuse to

586
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: take your money. Yes, because they feel horrible losing this

587
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: honored guest, they want to make it up.

588
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: I don't want her to spread word amongst her friends.

589
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: Exactly, So she winds up with stolen goods and free lodgings. Okay, amazing.

590
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: She would have the jewelry that she stole, refashioned and

591
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: reset and it looked like her amazing collection, this three

592
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: hundred thousand franc collection. Like even if the victims saw them,

593
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: they couldn't recognize their gems.

594
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: No, but is she going into these She's in money Carlo,

595
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: which is not that big. So was there a worry

596
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: that she herb pulling like an anti Jessica Fletcher, Like

597
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: every time she's there, there's a robbery.

598
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna see Okay, I just wondering.

599
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, she's working a small pool.

600
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's working. She's fishing a very small pod. Yeah,

601
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: but she's brazen.

602
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: She's very brazen.

603
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: One time she robbed the same Swiss banker three times.

604
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

605
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: On the third time he woke up and called for help,

606
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: but she quickly made her way back to her room.

607
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: She hopped in bed and pretended to be asleep. She's

608
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: like one, two three sleep, just faked it. No one's

609
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: the wiser.

610
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: The next day sannama, thank you letter, thanks for being

611
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: a punk.

612
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: Except the cops were the wiser. Oh so, one day

613
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: there's this clever detective Renee Cassillari. He was looking over

614
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: the guest registries at the hotels. All the ones had

615
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: been hit, and he noticed a pattern, the Jessica Fletcher.

616
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: At each of these scenes, a fellow guest appeared, Conteste Montai. Yes, yeah,

617
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: so detectives started quietly looking into her.

618
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: You think she could get some dupe guy to put

619
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: his name on the hotel and then always use a

620
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: different one, so that way you would get around this.

621
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: She needed the reputation of fabulous.

622
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: Would she just sworn around it and make her name

623
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: known but then put on the records so that way,

624
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: when the cops are going, it's always like barcel whatever.

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: So they but they're trying to figure out where did

626
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: she come from? Who is oh yeah, totally, And so

627
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: they learned that she was once a high class coquette.

628
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: So she's she's like a pretty flirt, but only for

629
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: those with funds.

630
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: Yes.

631
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: The Birmingham Evening Dispatch reported that she found she had

632
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: quote allied herself with expert burglars, versed in the latest

633
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: forms of burglar science and in the use of novel

634
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: forms of burglar instruments such as the World to be

635
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: robbed had never seen or even heard of.

636
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: I tried to get a major in burglar innovators.

637
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were disruptors.

638
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: They didn't offer it ever at the school I was out.

639
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: You had to go overseas. One of her tools was

640
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: able to lock or unlock a door from either side. Okay,

641
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: I think that's called the skeleton. When she got she

642
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: got wind in the bar exactly. It's called she gets

643
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: wind of the investigations. And so she goes to Alexandria, Egypt,

644
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: and she stays there with this dude named Marius Flandren. No,

645
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: he tells everyone he's the son of a wealthy shipbuilder.

646
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: Of course he was not.

647
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: He was.

648
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, she and Flandrene they broke into a rich Americans

649
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: hotel room and they took forty thousand francs.

650
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: If I was in Europe, that's all I would steal

651
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: from is rich Americans. That wo, the Europeans would applaud behind.

652
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Love that That's how it went. So the hotel manager

653
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: accused Flandren. Flandren accused the hotel manager of slander. Oh

654
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: and took him to court and he won in court

655
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: and got five hundred francs.

656
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: I would have accused him of theft and then like

657
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: you know, planted the stuff in his place.

658
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: He took it even further. So he gets he.

659
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: Gets him to court like five hundred francs.

660
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: That's plus an apology that had to run for three

661
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: straight days in the newspaper. What yeah, amazing, So I

662
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: want to see it in print. Condemen she found a

663
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: new partnering crime.

664
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like two fla guys.

665
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: Amazing. So April first, nineteen oh eight, the papers reported

666
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: that Condomine had been caught by nice police. The nice police.

667
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: She was described as being the police, they're so nice,

668
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: you guys. She was described as being quote very successful

669
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: as a female raffles there it is, and that her

670
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: record showed her operating in America in nineteen oh one. Yeah.

671
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: Her trail took them to the Riviera, London, Brussels, Atlantic

672
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: Transatlantic liners, just like Josepino Dar's associates. And we've had

673
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: that a couple other times on the show of like,

674
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that was right for the Pickin March third,

675
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight, Condemen checked into a hotel under the

676
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: name Contesse de Manda. M Yeah, now South American, think

677
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: about that. I want you to dwell on. We're going

678
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: to take a break and we come back. We're going

679
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: to find out about this contest demand.

680
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to Demanda answer, yeah.

681
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, welcome back, brother sister.

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: So, uh, contest Demanda. Yes, she's Demanda a room. Yeah,

683
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: that's her new name. In nineteen oh eight, she this

684
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: is a nice She thinks she might be under surveillance

685
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: by the cops.

686
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: And she was, yeah, a good instinct. You'll just wonder that.

687
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: You just come up.

688
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. So she came up with the plan.

689
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: She sent her luggage off to the train station to

690
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: make it look like she's about to leave town, but

691
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: instead she checked into another hotel under the name Madame

692
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: de Montague. Okay, detectives work fooled. They tailed her to

693
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: her to the hotel exactly. Yeah, she's not I don't

694
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: think she was raffles enough with a master of disguise. Yeah,

695
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: so they tailed her to the new hotel Zarin. Close

696
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: your eyes, I want you to picture it. It's two

697
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: in the morning on May third, nineteen oh eight. You

698
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: are a police detective with France's Police Judiciier, the equivalent

699
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: of Britain's Scotland Yard. You are a niece at a

700
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: very fancy hotel with the objective of catching a notorious

701
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: gentlewoman thief, a raffles. You've been watching this fake comtest

702
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: for three days now. You are decked out in a

703
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: sharp suit, your hair slicked and cologne on point. You've

704
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: spent the evening following her at a distance, doing your

705
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: best blend in with all the rich folks she chums

706
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: up to. You sat several tables away at dinner, watching

707
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 3: as she supped on delicacies and cozied up to other

708
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: hotel guests. You followed her to the swanky lounge, where

709
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: she sipped champagne and laughed with the bright of a

710
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: beautiful Now, you and a couple other detectives have retreated

711
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: to the end of a hallway. Her room is one

712
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: floor down, but the door you're watching is down the

713
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: hall you saw her chatting up the occupants, an older couple.

714
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: The wife was drenched in diamonds. You knew the phony

715
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: contest wouldn't be able to resist relieving this lady of

716
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: her jewels. So you wait, the hallways quiet. You and

717
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 3: your colleagues sit in the dark. Suddenly you hear light,

718
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: padded footsteps. A figure appears. It's the comtesse. She has

719
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: a black silk veil over her face, but you'd recognize

720
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: her anywhere. You've been watching her like a hawk. She's

721
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: wearing black tights and a short skirt. H boo, hoo boo.

722
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: The dress she had on earlier had yards of fabric

723
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: down to her ankles, making a grand swishing sound everywhere

724
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: she went, But now she's in a little number that

725
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: makes no noise at all in her stocking feet. Her

726
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: footfall is muffled on the carpet, just a soft pat

727
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: and the occasional creak of a floorboard beneath the pile

728
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: at her feet. She has on a tight jacket and

729
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: you see a bulge on the side of it. You

730
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: know she doesn't have any visible tumors, although you've been

731
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: tempted to start a rumor that she has a parasitic twin.

732
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: The papers would love that. She reaches inside her jacket

733
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: and pulls out a set of keys. They lightly jangle,

734
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: and she quickly grabs at them to muffle the sound

735
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: with her hand. She reaches out and goes to turn

736
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: the door handle to the couple's room. When it squeaks

737
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: and barely moves. She lifts one of the keys to

738
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: the lock in front of her. Ahet, you yell, let's stop,

739
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: do not zimoove detennae stop in mate zogs. That last

740
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: one was Mongolian, like you have your language bases covered.

741
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: So you and the other detectives run to her. She

742
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: looks left, looks right like she's gonna run in said.

743
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: She raises her hands in defeat. You reach into her

744
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: jacket and pull out a small electric lamp, a priye bar,

745
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: and a small sand bag a gill. You yell, eel,

746
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: what's an eel? Well, it's a French bad guy tool,

747
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: A small sandbag used to bunk victims over the head

748
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: to render them helpless. Yeah, and there you are. So

749
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: her arrest led to the discovery of a gang of

750
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: thieves known as Spiders. Spiders, Yeah, they silently crept around

751
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: in corners of elite society, trapping what they wanted. They

752
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: found letters the cop sound letters about this band of

753
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: titled thieves who were you know, sent around by Conde

754
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: mean in like a systematic robbery campaign. She had this

755
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: all plotted out.

756
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not quite understanding the letters were sent

757
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: between her and her confederates, or her letters as she

758
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: was planning to send other people to kind of like

759
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: line up jobs, like, oh, all be coming into town.

760
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: Two were confederates, okay. And so when she got to

761
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: the cop shop, when they hauled her in, she denied everything.

762
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, yeah, she had no intentions of robbing anyone.

763
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: And then they're like, well, what about these keys and

764
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: the stuff we found in your room? Let me read

765
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: you the.

766
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: List from the room, okay please.

767
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: Fourteen crowbars, thirty eight files of various sizes, twenty five

768
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: false keys, twenty seven instruments especially designed for opening hotel doors,

769
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: twenty thousand francs worth of jewels, four thousand francs in cash,

770
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: six revolvers of various makes and sizes, including one that

771
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: was small enough to be held concealed in the palm

772
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: of the hand and fired between the fingers, but that

773
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: sounds dangerous. Twelve knives and fifteen eels.

774
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: I have an officer. You won't believe this, but this

775
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: is a mobile exhibition of a small time crux. Yes, armament.

776
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: It's amazing, isn't it.

777
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: It's very amazing.

778
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 4: You learned so much from it.

779
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: Well, so they confront her with this, like please to explain,

780
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: and she's she clammed up, refused to cooperate in interviewing

781
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: past victims. It seems that she wasn't just big into

782
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: the chloroform. She used that eel a lot.

783
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: Oh really, she kept.

784
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So here we have Amelie Condeman, the contest

785
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: de Monte uh Cat, burglaring around, you know, and we

786
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: knew that it had to catch up to her head.

787
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: Be the sand woman like the Sandman sleep tonight exactly.

788
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: So when they go through her stuff and they find

789
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: all her burglary tools, they also found those photos of

790
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: her in New York Society balloon and all the notebooks,

791
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: and in those notebooks where she took these these absolutely

792
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: detailed notes, she talked about her time on transatlantic ocean liners.

793
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: She wrote about the best methods for robbing passengers on board.

794
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: She was basically just like you know, doing how to

795
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, it was just like raffling for dummies.

796
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: That was so.

797
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: One particular note was about a guy referred to as

798
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: mister B. Mister B his lady friend was a writer

799
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: with a column called Sex and the City and the

800
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: New York Observers. She had a shoe fetish and three

801
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: wacky galpals. Uh no no. Mister B was described as

802
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: very rich and very strong. Okay strong, yeah, very rich,

803
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: very strong. Well, no, he had there are other things.

804
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: The strong part led her to note that she had

805
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: to use chloroform. This is what the actual note said.

806
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: Mister B bag on the right hand contains his pocketbook.

807
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: Very rich, eats little, very strong chloroform.

808
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: Oh I got it, Yeah, very strong.

809
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: Gonna need to knock I need to knock him out,

810
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: and the eel ink and do it. So on the

811
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: two voyages that she wrote about, the police found out

812
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: that they were like tons of thefts. They traced it.

813
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, everybody got robbed on this boat.

814
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: They found a list of hotels that she wanted to

815
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: hit and the positions of the rooms and like what

816
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: kind of locks the doors had. She wrote all this

817
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: down another note read mister and missus a cabin number,

818
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: and then the cabin leaves keys in lock at night,

819
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: press hard. Really she's just watching them. She became really

820
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: close friends with the same families that she robbed, and

821
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: she robbed them just like relentless.

822
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: It was so bad the family and.

823
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: Then like the next day she'd be so upset for

824
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: them and offer to help them catch the robbers, like she.

825
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: Just she's commiserating on dinner.

826
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: The arsonist at the scene of the fire, like that's

827
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: where she is. When she got busted, all of her

828
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: friends were shocked, like, no, not the she is the

829
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: comte yeah, like and they're like, what do you mean?

830
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: She was nothing more than the sexy daughter of a

831
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: bacon slicer. Just shocked, shocked, I tell you. One of

832
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: her acquaintances was Guillon Souvet. He was one of the

833
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: leading lawyers in Paris and his father was a bonapartist deputy.

834
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

835
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: He took offense at the quote suggestion that she was

836
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: in fact not a genuine countess, Like that, what an insult.

837
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 4: I dare say, Yeah, I know from royalty.

838
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: The lies we tell ourselves. Please May fifteenth, nineteen oh eight,

839
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: the Great Falls Tribune ran a blurb that had come

840
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: across the wires from.

841
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: Paris, Okay.

842
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: It got deep man quote. Countess de Montai, who is

843
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: posed as a member of nobility, and it is alleged

844
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: plied her vocation as a hotel thief, has at last

845
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: been run to Earth by Continental detectives after a two

846
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: years chase. The countess's real name is Madame Portal. By

847
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: marriage she was Amalie. I mean she traveled in style

848
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: and no one disputed her claims of nobility. She is

849
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 3: an expert thief. The police claim, Wow, I love run

850
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: to Earth by Continental. Such a good turn of phrase.

851
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: She made it all the way to the States in

852
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: wire reports. So you gotta wonder if, like the New

853
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: York Society folks peeped this in one of their papers

854
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: they had they had to have. December of nineteen oh eight,

855
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: she stood trial in Nice. Prosecutors told the court that

856
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: she had long been known as a member of this

857
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: gang that you know, robbed guests at fashionable hotels. They

858
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: said that she'd been caught twice before but was released

859
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: due to incomplete evidence, and then that just made the

860
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: police want a tracker even closer. But here's the thing.

861
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: She gets arrested and she became a media folk hero. Well,

862
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: she conned the wealthy, and backlash against obscene wealth was

863
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: a French tradition. Yeah, and so like they're like, okay,

864
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 3: we're down with that. But then she was also seen

865
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: as a woman of the people. Oh so, because all

866
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: these different news articles were pointing out that like her

867
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: maid really liked and respected her, and then they all

868
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: talked about what a generous tipper she was spread the wealth.

869
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

870
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: According to this historian Elouise Moss quote, it seems like

871
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: every time society is in a state of economic crisis

872
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: and flux, the burglar suddenly becomes this iconic, glamorous villain character.

873
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: I think it acts as a really important political commentary

874
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: a dissatisfaction with economic inequality and also a way of

875
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: imagining yourself into a different, more illicit, adventurous lifestyle.

876
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: Hmm. To like a barometer for like the culture right

877
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 4: before the war.

878
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: That hit close because I was like, maybe this is

879
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: why I love these stories, you know what I mean,

880
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: Like we're in this weird time and there's this great

881
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, disparity in wealth and economic inequality everything's chaotic,

882
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: and it's like, I like these crazy I get to

883
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: see like things that I would never do, because you

884
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: know anyway, I thought that was an interesting insight. So

885
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: what about Portal? Her ex husband?

886
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 4: What about mister Portole?

887
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. He also got arrested for what Well.

888
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: They they found out that he would visit her all

889
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: the time, okay, and when his rooms were searched, they

890
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: found a trunk that had crowbars, false keys, and other

891
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: and that her name was on the trunk.

892
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 4: Property.

893
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: The record keeping and the ideas are fantastic. It's top like.

894
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: I feel like she had a label.

895
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: Makers all about it.

896
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely so Portal. He said that she gave him

897
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: the trunk to look after just years ago and hadn't

898
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: told him what was in it, of course, And he's

899
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: a smart man.

900
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: I've been hearing around for years. I never opened it.

901
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: Didn't ask. I don't want to know. He did admit

902
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: to occasionally like going out to dinner with her because

903
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: he wanted to rekindle their romance. And I mean, she's

904
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: beautiful from the reaction, and she's apparently very rich. She

905
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: had no interest in him because he was just but

906
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: a commoner I'm not kidding you. So three accomplices were

907
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: also arrested. Hyacinth Canessa.

908
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 4: What.

909
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, she would pose as a Russian diplomat.

910
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: A Russian diplomat.

911
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: Jeon he posed as a retired secretary of embassy in

912
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 3: the French Diplomatic Service.

913
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: That makes sense. She's going to be attached to something

914
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: or another.

915
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: Do you remember her Alexandria acquaintance, Marius Flatt. What about

916
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: mister he he got busted to he was still they

917
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: were still working. Yeah, so they picked him up. Some

918
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: of the details of her crimes came out in court.

919
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: She made these new rich friends at luxury locations, but

920
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: she didn't want to cat burgle him right away, so

921
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: she'd get one of the crew to do it on

922
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: a really small scale, something just like they'd pop in

923
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: they covered, you know, grab something that would just cover expenses,

924
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: no profit, but also scope.

925
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: The scene and also see the reaction.

926
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And once she felt confident about her relationship with

927
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: the intended victim and from the gang's scopings had figured

928
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: out what kind of major loot was to be had totally,

929
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: she herself would then go in Big Boss. Big Boss

930
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 3: took over the final boss. They asked her to explain

931
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: all the gems and the jewelry and the cash. She

932
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: said they were gifts from a Spanish grandee and an

933
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: Egyptian pasha. Okay, all right, that's fine.

934
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: Do have pashuas I thought there was India that has probably,

935
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: but you know whatever.

936
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 3: But like, what about the burglary tools?

937
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 4: What about the crowbar corection?

938
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: She's like, not not mine, I like metal officer, these

939
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: aren't my pants.

940
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 4: I don't know how these got in my room, all

941
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: twenty four of them.

942
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: I will never ever stop referencing Lindsay Lohan getting pulled over.

943
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 3: The cops find cocaine in her pants, and she tells

944
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: them these aren't my pants.

945
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: You've never worn someone else's pants? No? Oh, I totally you.

946
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: That made me hundred percent believe that as a reasonable lie. No,

947
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: I have. I know how many times I've worn someone

948
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: else's pants, Like, I don't even know.

949
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: Are hands in the pockets? First?

950
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 4: Why would I someone else's pants.

951
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: Because you don't know what's in there? What if there's

952
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: like a banana peel that they left in there? You're

953
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: walking around smoke it? Well, apparently so she had a

954
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: baggy of coke Lindsay Lohane had a baggy coke officer,

955
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: these aren't my pants.

956
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: The first time you told this story, I imagined it

957
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: as Lindsay Graham got pulled over and he told the officer,

958
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 4: these are not my pants.

959
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

960
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how I got cocaine and Lindsay Lohan's pants.

961
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they well, Lindsay wear Lindsey Graham pants. There you go,

962
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: there it is, that's all, you know what, it's all.

963
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: Interconnection went in, They just said Lindsay she thought there

964
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: were exactly like my mom puts my name in my

965
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: underwear too.

966
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: So the contest, she said that the tools belonged to

967
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: a friend, and they're like, who is this friend? Well,

968
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: I can't tell you who. Well, where do they live?

969
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: I can't tell you do they exist?

970
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know that. I don't.

971
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: So she wouldn't. The fact that she wouldn't own up

972
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: to anything did not win her friends on the jury.

973
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what, like, where's the honor, Like, where's

974
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: the pride in sticking it to the fat cats?

975
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: Come on, ye're a cute Yeah.

976
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: So the jury finds her guilty and she gets sentenced

977
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: to ten years hard labor. Oh. She responds to the

978
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: sentence by standing up and yelling, only ten years, thank you,

979
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: mister judge. I shall still be young and beautiful. Fla

980
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: fla la la la.

981
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: I am betting when she comes out of that prison

982
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 4: she will not be nearly the same person as she

983
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: was when she went in.

984
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: No, that's the sound of the man working on the chain.

985
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that attitude is not gonna go

986
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 4: well with her fellow cell name.

987
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: No, yeah, Lady Dandy Treyha not going to go for that.

988
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: So records show that she got out of prison in

989
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: nineteen eighteen, but it's unknown what became of her after that.

990
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: Don't she missed the first world.

991
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: I've poured over everything I could find, and I came

992
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: up empty. And I'm guessing she changed her name. She

993
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: never on a newspaper, oh bit, which basically erases her

994
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: from history. So either she you know, either she changed

995
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: her name and like figured out how to do it

996
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: and not get caught.

997
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: She went to Louisiana.

998
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: Well, no, imagine that. I mean we talk about all

999
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 3: these people know they're idiots and they get caught.

1000
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: You don't hear about it? Yeah, there's a lot of

1001
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: people that are not getting caught.

1002
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: She either hit it over the fence or she gave

1003
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: it up and is basically erased from history, but not

1004
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: really because I'm talking about her.

1005
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: Or she changed her name maybe.

1006
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: Oh, she definitely. I'm sure she changed and.

1007
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 4: Then never got caught it under that name.

1008
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those are her options. Change

1009
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: my name, never get caught, change my name, die in obscurity. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1010
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: those are your only choice.

1011
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 4: What doesn't change her name, moves to America, does so well,

1012
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 4: she becomes wealthy. No one writes about her because she

1013
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: avoids the press.

1014
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: No one writes about the wealthy coming she.

1015
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: Avoids the press because she gets so wealthy. She's now possible,

1016
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: not that time, you don't think so, it's totally possible.

1017
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: Some of the wealthiest people you never hear about them

1018
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: because they are able to insulate themselves with layers. Layers

1019
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: like that one.

1020
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter anyway, Zaren. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1021
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 4: Layers of insulation, Elizabeth, that's what are required about my

1022
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: ridiculous takeaway? I would say I really kind of prefer

1023
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: how the lady robbers do it. I mean sixteen years solid.

1024
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: We never hear that with the guys as a cat burglar.

1025
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: That is a good run.

1026
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: We really should give like there should be. I'm learning

1027
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 4: more criminal appellations and names associated with lady criminals, right,

1028
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean your girls have been doing it right. They

1029
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 4: don't have any There's no like, oh the Robin not

1030
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: of such and such. You know, the William heart of

1031
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 4: this all right? You know it's always sudden rather willly hart.

1032
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: I always wanted to do the Willy.

1033
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: Which is the will unfortunately so bad.

1034
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Willy Sunda this like talking about the the

1035
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 4: of this or the Joey Adara that a lot of

1036
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: some of these women to get some forty elephants of this. Yeah,

1037
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 4: these are some iconic performances. Really are what's your ridiculous take?

1038
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you guys for asking. I just

1039
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: I know I've been on this run of Lady Criminals,

1040
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: and I guess it's part because like every time someone

1041
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: calls me the lady host, it's like they book the

1042
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: bear you Yeah, And but also it's like when I

1043
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: look up these criminals, That's what I'm thinking too. I

1044
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: find these really fascinating characters, and I hate the fact

1045
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: that I have to put two in this episode, but

1046
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: it's because the materials really thin.

1047
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 4: I did the same thing with the Highway Woman Daniella, right, sorry,

1048
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 4: Barbara Daniella, and then Dora Hawks.

1049
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Issue, they're just as ridiculous, and there's they're just

1050
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: as much of a commentary on the human condition and

1051
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: the ridiculous stuff we do, and what I always like

1052
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: to say, we're all two three bad decisions from winding

1053
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: up on this show exactly, man, woman.

1054
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 4: Whatever, some of us only one.

1055
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know. I just I wish there

1056
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: was more known, but I savor the ones that I can.

1057
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1058
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: You're so welcome. Hey, you know what I need right now? Abandoned,

1059
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: I need to talk back, Dave, can you help me?

1060
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: I got you? Oh my god, I love you.

1061
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: I left a message earlier saying Zaron was very smart. Elizabeth,

1062
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 6: I'm sorry I missed. I screwed up. You are a

1063
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 6: genius as well. It's probably smarter than Zaron. But I

1064
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 6: love your podcast.

1065
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: You guys are great.

1066
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 6: Thank you for putting it out, thank you for everything

1067
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 6: I agree with.

1068
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

1069
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: No, I'm always like Zaren's the smart one.

1070
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 4: Because that's what a smart person would say.

1071
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: No, I got the wind whistling when it was between

1072
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: these years. Wow. All right, So dude, whoever left that,

1073
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 3: I'll pay you back later. I'll give you your tip

1074
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: for luck. Thank you. That's us for today. You can

1075
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com. That is

1076
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: made in the laboratory at MIT. That website they make

1077
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: it fresh every morning. We're at Ridiculous Crime on Twitter

1078
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Speaker 3: and Instagram. You can email ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

1079
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: No one will answer you, and you can leave a

1080
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: talk back, as just heard on the iHeart app reach out.

1081
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett,

1082
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: produced and edited by King David Kustin of the Grand

1083
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Speaker 3: Nation of Millions intent on holding Chuck d back, which

1084
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: he should maybe rethink, Starring Anna Lese Rutger as Judith.

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Speaker 3: Research is by Vidame Marissa Brown, commander of the Forces

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Speaker 3: of the Bishop of Zealand in Grand Panetier Andrea song

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