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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with Ted Zangerly of

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Speaker 2: the hunting public about developing a blended scouting strategy that

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Speaker 2: takes into account all of the tools at our disposal. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought

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Speaker 2: to you by first Light. If you haven't heard, first

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Speaker 2: Light just released the Origin pant, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: like a little bit crazy when I first got my

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Speaker 2: hands on them. They're almost like wearing i don't know,

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Speaker 2: pajamas or sweatpants and could be a midlayer, but also

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Speaker 2: function pretty damn well as an outer layer. And I'm

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Speaker 2: being honest here when I say when I first saw him,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think I'm gonna like these,

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Speaker 2: but I gave him a good test run in South

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Speaker 2: Dakota last year, and then in Minnesota, then in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: and now I wear them all the time. When I'm scouting.

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Speaker 2: Check them out if you want a versatile piece of

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Speaker 2: hunting gear that you definitely don't currently have in your

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Speaker 2: camel arsenal. So that's right, mister Kenyon. He's off again

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Speaker 2: this week. He's actually out somewhere, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: where because he won't talk to me. Mark is a

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Speaker 2: little salty because we recently were in the Meat Eater

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Speaker 2: office out there in Bozeman and we got invited to

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Speaker 2: be on an episode of Meat Eater Trivia. Now, before

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Speaker 2: we got on the mics, Mark told me that he

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Speaker 2: had the whole thing in the bag and that, you know,

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Speaker 2: me and Cal and Chester and Seth and everybody who

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Speaker 2: was on the podcast. You know, we were all basically

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Speaker 2: fighting for second place. Those are his words, not mine. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but let's just

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Speaker 2: say this. It didn't quite go according to Mark's master plan.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, probably because he doesn't really read a

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Speaker 2: whole lot, so he's never learning very much. I don't know. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: give that a listen and keep listening here because I

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Speaker 2: have one of the unsung heroes of the hunting public,

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Speaker 2: Ted Zangerly. Ted is the quiet guy. Who just kind

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Speaker 2: of gets the job done. And while he's a young fellow,

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Speaker 2: he has a ton of experience hunting white tails in

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Speaker 2: multiple states. Throughout this episode, we dive into his strategy

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Speaker 2: for scouting at home and on the road, and we

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Speaker 2: get into the weeds on topics like trail cameras and

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Speaker 2: managing pressure and figuring out where bucks end up when

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Speaker 2: they aren't where you expect them to be. Basically, we

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Speaker 2: talk about scouting in a way that takes into account

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Speaker 2: the tools we have available to all of us, while

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Speaker 2: mixing in real world observations and boots on the groundwork.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna love listening to this one because

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Speaker 2: Ted is such a good source of real world info. Ted,

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Speaker 2: how you doing, buddy, No.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good man. I'm happy to catch you at home.

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Speaker 2: Finally we've been we've been playing uh, I guess phone

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Speaker 2: tag a little bit here because you, uh, you know

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Speaker 2: anybody who doesn't know you THHB boys sent you tend

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Speaker 2: to travel around quite a bit, and we got you

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Speaker 2: at home and I want to talk deer scouting with you,

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Speaker 2: but but you just said something to me off air

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Speaker 2: that we got to touch on a little bit. You

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Speaker 2: said you were going to go fishing with diddy poles. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I need you to explain that to me and the

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Speaker 2: rest of the audience.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, yeah, so I'm actually back home for

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Speaker 3: That's what we've always done during the summer is go

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Speaker 3: out and set diddy poles, which is just like a

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Speaker 2: Are you talking channel cats then? If you're using live bait.

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Speaker 2: And I'm assuming since this is the style that you're

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Speaker 3: Mean usually you'll catch some bigger ones. Maybe that wasn't

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Speaker 2: But all right, let me ask you this a different way, then,

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Speaker 2: what's the biggest one you've ever caught on a diddy pole.

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Speaker 2: So in your your hand line and these in. Then

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Speaker 3: So you'll be going along checking them and looking for

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Speaker 2: Dude, it sounds fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is fun, like some young kids in

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Speaker 2: Do you ever can ny turtles?

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've caught it on the diddy poles.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking my daughters over to Wisconsin later today and

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Speaker 2: explain that this process to them because I think they

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Speaker 2: the style of fishing we typically do.

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Speaker 2: So how long do you leave them out?

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Speaker 3: It just depends on how much time he got. But

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Speaker 2: It's that sounds fun. Is is this a situation because

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yeah, No, it's a lot of fun. It's

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Speaker 3: something I look forward to doing every year. I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: inter two. So the river should be coming up, which

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Speaker 2: Get a little bit more food washing down it and

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Speaker 2: getting those fish more active.

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Speaker 3: I suppose. Yeah. I don't know the science behind it.

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Speaker 3: I just seems like that's what when we have the

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Speaker 2: Man. That's I'm not often jealous of people going after catfish,

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Speaker 2: but I like the idea that we should probably talk

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Speaker 2: people who are fans of THHP would think that you

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Speaker 2: guys are are just scouting non stop, but you kind

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Speaker 2: of you kind of go do some other stuff after

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Speaker 2: Turkey season wraps up for a little while, and you

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Speaker 2: guys did some pig hunting, and you were just saying

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Speaker 2: kind of the midpoint of the summer passes by.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so after Turkey season, a lot of times we

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Speaker 3: And then, like you said, we've been down in Texas

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Speaker 3: We don't have anything planned, but I'm sure there'll be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that those pigs you were just hunting.

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Speaker 2: I should say this, I've seen him just crawling with

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Speaker 3: There wasn't any ticks. I've never actually seen any ticks

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we actually we didn't take any meat home

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Speaker 3: So that's like our main thing that we're looking at.

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Speaker 3: But I know, Jake took quite a bit of meat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're, you know, as gross as they

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Speaker 3: It's pretty consistent. Seems like the single bevels definitely work

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Speaker 3: But on those pigs, their's kill zone is so small,

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Speaker 3: It can be pretty tough. But the craziest one to

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Speaker 2: I hit it.

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Speaker 3: It was a really big pig and it came in

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Speaker 2: Man, That's something I think people who don't have a

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yeah. They've given me quite the headache. Last

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's that's a different deal. I've hunted him

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Speaker 2: they're like any other animal. Well then you know forty

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Speaker 2: it's a really cool experience, but it is something that

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, for sure. No, it's been It's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're you know when you say that, you

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Speaker 2: You know, they might only take a shot or two

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Speaker 2: just not you're not going to get that quantity, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a very It's a good place to

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Speaker 2: Do you so you said you guys are weighing them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at least this year, we were weighing them because

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Speaker 2: What were the weights, Like, we had.

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Speaker 3: One that was one hundred and twenty pounds, one that

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Speaker 2: And forty Okay, yeah, I mean the pig thing's weird, right,

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Speaker 2: them and you're like, they're just pigs and they're not

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Speaker 2: very big in most places. Uh huh, yeah, but they're

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Speaker 2: pretty fun. We should probably talk about some deer scouting.

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Speaker 2: Huh buddy, Yeah, let's do it. So you know, you

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Speaker 2: But then you know, all right, we're gonna show up

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, like this next week, we're

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Speaker 3: As far as managing, you know, our time here and

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Speaker 2: Are you finding that it's a little bit harder to

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Speaker 3: depend on who's got an ELK tag. Okay, they're going there,

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Speaker 3: and then this person's got an elk tag, they're going

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, that makes me tired of just thinking

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Speaker 2: It's it's a lot to plan, and it's it's getting

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00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, obviously you guys are in a

435
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: unique situation and so am I. Where it's you know,

436
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: you're thinking about multiple states and multiple critters, and it's

437
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: it's a dumb thing to bitch about. I guess, like

438
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: when you're like, oh, I got a hunt so much,

439
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: it's hard to organize my schedule. But it's it's a

440
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: changing landscape out there, man. We and we've been talking

441
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: about this a lot with the license availability, and I

442
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: just I just had a conversation with my elk hunting

443
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 2: partner who lives in Colorado, and he said he's been

444
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: at some of the you know, Division Wildlife meetings or

445
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: stakeholder meetings or whatever they are, and it sounds like

446
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty five, I've uh, Colorado's over the counter

447
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: opportunities are going to be gone and everything is going

448
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: to be a draw. I don't I don't know if

449
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: that's official yet, but you know, kind of the last

450
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: domino to fall there in the elk world is going

451
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: to be Colorado and it's coming. And so you know,

452
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: anybody listening to this who's like, I want to go

453
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: out and you know, chase an elk before I'm too

454
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: old to do it. You get in the game now,

455
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: somehow figure it, figure out how to get some points

456
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: or do something, because this is going to get a

457
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: lot harder real soon.

458
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, which that is. That's unfortunate, man, because I I

459
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: love el cutting and I I put in for Wyoming

460
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: the last few years and I haven't got Wyoming yet.

461
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: I was really hoping I would get it the last

462
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: actually last year I put in for like a specific

463
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: unit and I was looking at go hunting. It said,

464
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: all right, you got one hundred percent draw odds for this,

465
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: so I'm like, all right, I'm probably going elk cutting

466
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: if I put in for this unit. So I put

467
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: in for it, didn't get it. This year, I did

468
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 3: the same thing, not the same unit. I put in

469
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: for the general out there, and it said I had

470
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: real good odds of getting it.

471
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: I didn't get it.

472
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: Again, me and Zach both didn't get it.

473
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's tough, dude. And this year, you know,

474
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: I was just out in Bozeman for some medi eater

475
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: stuff and a lot of the First Light people who

476
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: are from Idaho were there, and a lot of them

477
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: were talking about how hard it is for them as

478
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: residents to get some of the tags that they just

479
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: kind of take for granted, you know, like a rifle

480
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: cow tag and a certain unit or whatever. And when

481
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: I was talking to my buddy the other day, he's like, man,

482
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: you know, we had winter kill in certain parts of

483
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: the West, just weird some weird weather events, fires and stuff,

484
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: and he's like, it's really concentrating people in places where

485
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: they could potentially get tags. So I think there are

486
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there this year who are

487
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: surprised that they didn't draw tags that they probably would

488
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: have last year and every other year before that. But

489
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 2: it's just it's tough out there, man.

490
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it seems like it's just getting tougher, like

491
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: you said, which is unfortunate, but that's just the way

492
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: it goes. So I'm sure there's there'll be opportunities somewhere.

493
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be definitely a lot tougher.

494
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's just changing. Uh, you know,

495
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it'll level off. I kind of doubt it,

496
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. When you guys are

497
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: making that run through Iowa and you're scouting public land

498
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: down there, and yet you know you have the chance,

499
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: like you said, to sneak into a corner here and

500
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: look at this, or go back into a spot you

501
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: hunted the last couple of years. Do you see a

502
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: lot of consistency in your in your good spots or

503
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: or are you often like, man, we got to go

504
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: check this ore because they were on there last year

505
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: and you go in and it's just it's just different

506
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. Yeah.

507
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: I mean there's some spots that seem like they're good

508
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: every year. A lot of times it seems like we'll

509
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: be hunting a spot and if it's good and we

510
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, are filming everything and doing all that. A

511
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: lot of times people will figure it out and move

512
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: in there. So that is one thing that we have

513
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: to think about every year, is if you know, if

514
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: we have some luck in an area, a lot of

515
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: times people will figure it out and then they'll move

516
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: in there. So then we kind of shift and we'll

517
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: try and figure other stuff out, you know, close to

518
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: there maybe but just something a little bit different. But

519
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: a lot of times there something that we're doing is

520
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: if we're always looking for like new chunks that might

521
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: pop up each year, new chunks that might pop up

522
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 3: into public. So that's one thing that we try and

523
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: focus on, like this time year is like really looking

524
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: at the maps, trying to find new pieces of public

525
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: that might open up, and then we'll dive into those

526
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: areas a lot and uh scout those if you know,

527
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: we try and focus on stuff that we have never

528
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: been into if we can, if that's available. But you

529
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: know that's not always the case.

530
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because does IWA have a you know, private land

531
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: open to the public type of program. Do they have

532
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: some kind of walk in program or anything down there?

533
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

534
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: Oh you do.

535
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So we're looking at that a lot because those

536
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: are just like real small chunks a lot of the time.

537
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: So we look at those quite a bit because those

538
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: are the ones that seem to pop up the most.

539
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: Like a spot that you maybe wasn't public last year,

540
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: you'll find a little chunk of walk in that you

541
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: haven't seen before on the map. So then we'll if

542
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: we find a spot like that, we'll go to it

543
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: as soon as we can and scout it.

544
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh. I do that in Minnesota here we

545
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: have a walk in program, and then I do that

546
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin a lot, not not only for deer, but

547
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: you know, some upland opportunities and stuff as well. And

548
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: those those kind of programs, you know, even though you

549
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: know in the Midwest and the East they feel different,

550
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: like you said, because they're they're often you know, a

551
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: forty acre chunk versus you know, a thousand acre parcel

552
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: or whatever that you might get out west. But man,

553
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: that they can be so good, especially when they're brand new.

554
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: Like you said that, it's it's always worth paying attention to,

555
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, whatever state you live in or whatever state

556
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: you're traveling to, what kind of programs do they have

557
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: to incentivize private landowners to open up their open up

558
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: their stuff to the public. It's that's it's pretty cool

559
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: that we have that option in so many different states.

560
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I like hunting those pieces because it seems

561
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: like they're a little bit more obscure, a little bit smaller,

562
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: a little bit harder to find on the map. So

563
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: those are always exciting to go check those out, I think.

564
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: And we've had some some pieces that pop up for

565
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: a couple of years. We'll go in there and scout

566
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: them and hunt them and maybe even have some luck,

567
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: and then the next year they're back out of it,

568
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: so they're back private, which is always unfortunate, but that's

569
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: all right because it keeps us bouncing around and you know,

570
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: tries to we try, and it's easier for us to

571
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: keep you know, other people that might be watching the

572
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: videos off our tail a little bit, I guess.

573
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: I mean, how much of an issue is that for

574
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: you guys, because I mean it has to be I mean,

575
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: it has to be like front and center in your

576
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: mind often that when you go to a place, people

577
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: are just gonna figure it out and they're gonna go

578
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: hunt it.

579
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I wouldn't say, it's a huge issue. We

580
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: try and do as good a job as we can,

581
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: like hiding like landmarks and whatever as best we can,

582
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: especially when we go to New States, Like, we don't

583
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: want to go in there and be making it real

584
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: obvious where we're at, because then people that are local

585
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: there have been hunting that spot for years or whatever,

586
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: and then we bomb in there and and then a

587
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: bunch of people if people are able to figure it

588
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: out from the videos, then we don't want to do

589
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: that at all. So we try our best to keep

590
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: it as obscure as possible and harder to figure out

591
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: for people as possible.

592
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the dance, right, I mean, we mark

593
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: and I we go back and forth on this a lot,

594
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: because you know, for a long time, the audience was like,

595
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: we want to see you go hunt public land, and

596
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: you know that that sort of created the opportunity for

597
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: you guys, and you know, guys like me did you know,

598
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: do pretty well for a while. But now people are like,

599
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 2: don't we don't want to see you there, you know,

600
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: like we don't, we don't want you to blow up

601
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 2: our stuff. But there's still enough people out there who

602
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: love the public land thing that you know, We're always like, man,

603
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: if we if we do this haunt on public land

604
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: and we film it, how do we shoot it in

605
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: a way where you just can't tell, and how do

606
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: we talk about it in a way where it's like

607
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: not very specific, Because I feel that way, like, I

608
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to blow up anybody's spot. I

609
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: don't want to, you know, be that guy just to

610
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: show up and scorch earth something and then get out.

611
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: But I do want to, you know, I love the

612
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: challenge of it. I love hunting public land, and there

613
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: is a segment of the audience that really wants that,

614
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: and so it's sort of a the eternal dance there is.

615
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: How do you do that and keep as many people

616
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: as possible happy and still get that product. It's tough.

617
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be tough at times. We're trying. We're

618
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: I think we're doing a better job of keeping it

619
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: hidden a little bit better now. But yeah, and I don't.

620
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: I don't. I can't blame people for doing that at all.

621
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: So no, I know, And but you know, it's kind

622
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: of weird. I always think about this. We It's easy

623
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: to look at it from the perspective of, you know,

624
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: an audience member and be like those THHP guys blew

625
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: up my spot, and now all these people are in there.

626
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 2: But there's an undeniable component to the hunting population that

627
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: wants to not do any work and find a spot

628
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: that's just banging. And I mean, sure you, I'm sure

629
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: you guys deal with this all the time where people

630
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: are like, hey, when you go to North Dakota, are

631
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: you you know north of ninety four or south of

632
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: ninety four, Like, are what river are you along? And

633
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: there are people that are always trying to find spots.

634
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a little bit of

635
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: blame to go around there, you know. And I always

636
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: tell people, I'm like, man, the part of the fun

637
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: of all of this, if you're gonna, you know, try

638
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: that lifestyle a little bit or try a hunt like

639
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: that is just doing the eat scouting and finding a spot.

640
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's pretty satisfying to do that

641
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: and then go out there and actually be on some

642
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 2: deer and have a good hunt or beyond whatever critter.

643
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: But it's it's sort of a complicated thing.

644
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can't be at times. That's I like to

645
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: I like figuring a spot out, finding a spot and

646
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: then going in there and being like, Yep, this is

647
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: what I thought it was going to be like. And

648
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: then you get into a bunch of deer, getting into

649
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: a bunch of turkeys or whatever it may be, that's

650
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: always a very rewarding feeling.

651
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, And I think, you know, kind

652
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: of like what you said, where you're you know, looking

653
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: for something new, get in maybe it's going to be

654
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: small or whatever, and you know it hasn't been hunted yet,

655
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: you know publicly. Anyway, that whole process of just finding

656
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: finding those spots every year and just kind of being

657
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: forced to almost is it's sort of a pain in

658
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: the ass because it'd be nice to have an easy

659
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: one once in a while. But it's also just really

660
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: rewarding to go. You know what, it's Nebraska September one.

661
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to go do something in this part of

662
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: the state I've never been to, and just just figuring

663
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: out the deer is it's pretty sweet, man.

664
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's a lot of fun. Like last year,

665
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: I went to Kansas and and me and Keith went

666
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: out there right before pronghorn season, so it had been

667
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: like beginning of August, I think, and we went out

668
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: there and scouted a bunch of places, which was mostly

669
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: just driving around. We did a lot of driving and

670
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: glassing and whatever, and then I didn't kill a deer

671
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: there until like November thirteenth. I think I went back

672
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: early September. Then I went back late October into the

673
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: first week in November, and then went back again like

674
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: on November tenth maybe, and then ended up killing a

675
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: deer November thirteenth. But that was a long process of

676
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of hunting out there all year and

677
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: then finally getting one. That was a lot of fun.

678
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: It's fun to it's fun to know you have a

679
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: full season and you might be able to get back

680
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: to a spot like that a couple different times. If

681
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen right away, there's there's a different level

682
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: of pressure, like an easier level of pressure to deal

683
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: with in that situation.

684
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And we're obviously very lucky to be able

685
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: to go out there all year and be hunting all year.

686
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: So it's you know, pretty awesome to be able to

687
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: go out there for a week and then come back,

688
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: and then go back out there different week and then

689
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: come back and go back out there again. So but yeah,

690
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: it's a lot of fun once it all works out,

691
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: very rewarding for sure.

692
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: When you talk about you know, I want to go

693
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: back to those those smaller spots in Iowa when you

694
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: when you talk about that, do you find that that

695
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: people kind of they overlook some of those small parcels,

696
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: and you know, if you get in on something like that,

697
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, if I if I had, you know,

698
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: a little forty acre piece of walk in and I

699
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: pulled up there and there was another truck there, I

700
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't go in there. And I think a lot of

701
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: people are like that, you know, I mean, some people

702
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: will come in on you no matter what. But do

703
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: you find that you sort of get like a little

704
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: margin of safety on those smaller properties because people might

705
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: kind of ignore them, and if you know, you're the

706
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: first truck there in the morning, you might not have

707
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: people walk in on you.

708
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it, especially on those smaller chunks.

709
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: And and I well, there's obviously not a ton of

710
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: hunting pressure, so most of the spots we go to

711
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: there's not a ton of people lurking around, but definitely

712
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: on those smaller chunks you know, a lot of times

713
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: they're out in the middle of not a lot of

714
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: times are out away from like a big chunk of

715
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: public or something. I would say, So it seems like

716
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: people aren't going to those nearly as much as maybe

717
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: a giant chunk of public.

718
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've started to really kind of hone in on

719
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: those smaller properties too. I mean, I feel like my

720
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: sweet spot is either you know, I want fifty thousand

721
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: acres to work with, because you can you're gonna get

722
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: away from people if you have just enough land, or

723
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: you get that really you know, pretty small chunk that

724
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: people just kind of are going to overlook or they

725
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: might not go in there on you, and you can

726
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: really work it at certain times of the season. And man,

727
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: I feel like, at least for me and my style,

728
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: that that's that's such a good opportunity to just drill

729
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: down on a spot and figure out what they're doing

730
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: and work them without having kind of that you know,

731
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: like nagging feeling that at any moment there's going to

732
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: be you know, five extra trucks in the parking lot

733
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: and people are gonna be going through there. Uh huh.

734
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's fun to hunt the different types,

735
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: like you were saying, like either a small chunk or

736
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: a big chunk, because you've got to tackle it so

737
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: much differently. I feel like, just like with a small chunk,

738
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: you gotta be real careful where you go. Maybe you're

739
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: glassing from the truck, and then you'll go in and

740
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 3: make a sick and then you'll try and get back

741
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: out without disturbing anything. Where like a big chunk, maybe

742
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: you're going in and you're just scouting your way through

743
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: trying to find a spot, and it's fun to It's

744
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 3: it's cool to hunt those different pieces in different ways,

745
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, Like with a smaller chunk you gotta be

746
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: real strategic, and then with a bigger chunk, maybe you

747
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: can get a little bit more aggressive and dive in

748
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: and walk around until you find something that you like

749
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: and then hunt it that way.

750
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think the I think when you deal

751
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: with small chunks, which is you know, so common, you know,

752
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 2: private and public for Midwest and Eastern whitetail hunters, you

753
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: really learn how to manage your presence and you know

754
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: you're you should be hyper aware of it on any

755
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: kind of ground you're on, But if you're on public land,

756
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: you really are aware that, Like, man, I can't. I

757
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: can't just go blow through here and be sloppy because

758
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: I don't know who else is going in there. I mean,

759
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: you don't, you don't want to anyway, but to me

760
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: it feels like it just Man, it sharpens the blade

761
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: a lot when you're working little properties like that, because

762
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: you can't. There's only so many mistakes you can make

763
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: before it's going to really suck to hunt there.

764
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. One example of that is when a couple of year,

765
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: I think it was twenty nineteen, WARB and I were

766
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: hunting and it was during the rut and we were

767
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: hunting like one of those real small chunks, and we

768
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: had scouted it during the summer, and I don't even

769
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: think we went back over there until it was like

770
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: the first week in November. I believe. We just drove

771
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: by there just to see what was going on and

772
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: spotted a buck out there, and it wasn't much. It

773
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: was just it was like a hayfield on top I think,

774
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: or maybe it was a crop field. I don't remember,

775
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: but it was whatever it was, it was cut so

776
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: there wasn't anything any cover except for like two little

777
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: draws with trees in them, and then there was a

778
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: pond in one of the draws, and me and him

779
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: hunted that spot I think three three days. I think

780
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: we went in there that afternoon when we drove by,

781
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: spotted that buck. So we slid up a fence line

782
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: a little ways and sat down, and we're seeing some

783
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: bucks and just some quite a few deer out there.

784
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: So then we went back in the next morning on

785
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: a different side and jumped in there and ended up

786
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: seeing two bucks that morning, didn't kill either one of them,

787
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: and then we went back in that night, didn't kill

788
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: anything that night, and then the next morning we ended

789
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: up killing one. The next morning we dove straight into

790
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: the middle of it and ended up killing that killing

791
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: a buck there that was actually decoy buck in twenty nineteen.

792
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: But that was fun because it was like, you're just

793
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: we were just trying to be so careful, all right,

794
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: we can slide up this fence line. Now we're gonna,

795
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: you know, slide up this little draw. And we weren't

796
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 3: going very far from the road because I mean, there

797
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: wasn't an opportunity to go very far from the road really, yep.

798
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: So it was just it was fun to go in

799
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: and all right, we're going to go in and set

800
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: up here, and then you'd see some have some action.

801
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: And then but we kept seeing these deer. All these

802
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: bucks were cruising and they kept going by this pond,

803
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: and they were going like right by this damn and

804
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: they were coming into it from two different directions, like

805
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: making an X and coming into that one pond in

806
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: the middle of the piece. And so finally we were

807
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: we got good conditions for it, and we dove in

808
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: there well before daylight and just said all right, we're

809
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: just going to go for it now and just went

810
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: straight to that spot and ended up killing that one

811
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: that morning.

812
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: So you guys took a little property, scouted it, some

813
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: showed up there to hunt, played the edge game till

814
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: you saw for sure where you're like, that's the spot,

815
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: and then you dove in and killed once you moved

816
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: into you know, so like several layers of observation, you know,

817
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: observing an hunting at some point, and then you're like

818
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: that that's where we have to be, and moved in

819
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: that next level and killed him.

820
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: Yep, pretty much exactly we went because that was a

821
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: small chunk that had just popped up that year. Like

822
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: we were talking about with those little walking chunks, and

823
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: it had just popped up. So we went in and

824
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: scouted it sometime in July or early August, and it

825
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: was me and Warb and Jake and Zach I think,

826
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: And there's actually a video of Zach and we were

827
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: out there on that piece and we jumped like a

828
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: few different bucks out there, and all of a sudden,

829
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: Zach just takes off running and like chases this after

830
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: this buck. Where he was chasing that buck at is

831
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: actually pretty close to where we ended up killing the

832
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: one that year. And so we went in there in

833
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: the summer, scouted it. A lot of deer in there,

834
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: found a lot of sign from the previous fall. So

835
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: then but then, like I said, we didn't go back

836
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: over there until November, at least that's what I'm pretty

837
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: sure somebody else might have gone over there at some point,

838
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: but me and war didn't go over there until that

839
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: first week in November, and then that's when we ended

840
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: up seeing a bunch of bucks out there during the rut.

841
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, we were just sliding up fence lines in

842
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: little draws and getting in spots where we could hunt

843
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: but still see like the whole piece. And then just

844
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: from doing that and observing seeing bucks go into that

845
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: one spot by that pond from two different directions, they

846
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: would always seem to end up right there, and then

847
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: we just dove in there and ended up killing the one.

848
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: So was that a situation where there was pretty limited

849
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: cover in that area. So that was kind of I mean,

850
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: if they were going to move and stay hidden, they

851
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 2: were going to have to use that pretty much.

852
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: Like I said, it was like a crop field or

853
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: a hayfield, I don't remember, but it was cut so

854
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: it was like ankle high grass out there. So the

855
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: only cover there was really was these two little draws

856
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: and it was just a small drawl probably maybe one

857
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: hundred yards wide, and then it would run up into

858
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: the piece a little ways and then it would just

859
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: go back into that open field. So those bucks, they

860
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: were cruising the top of the ridge and dropping down

861
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: into that by that pond. From two different ridges, they

862
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: would come along there cruising and then they would drop

863
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: down into that pond, it seemed like every time. So

864
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: that's what we were seeing, and then that's when we

865
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: were like, all right, we got to get right in there.

866
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good lesson there because I think I

867
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: think it's so easy for people, you know, especially people

868
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: who maybe don't have a ton of experience, to go, Okay, well,

869
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: you know this dude to hunts water all the time,

870
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to find water. And it's like,

871
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: you know, in your region, in your area, on your

872
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: property or the public you're hunting, if there's a whole

873
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: bunch of water around, that's that's a bad plan. Like

874
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a big woods hunter, finding cover

875
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: isn't your problem. You have to find what is what

876
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: is more rare that the deer wants. So in that

877
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: situation you're talking about, there's pretty limited cover, you know,

878
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: those deer are going to use it. So now your

879
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: job isn't you know, isn't to call the obvious shot

880
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: and be like, well they're going to go through the cover,

881
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: But how are they going to go through there? And

882
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: how are you going to hunt it where you don't

883
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: just absolutely blow it out because you're just working with

884
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: that little gift of a draw. And I think that

885
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: we look at scouting and go, well, I just got

886
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: to find the thing that the deer going to use,

887
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: the food source or the travel route or whatever. But

888
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: that's like just the beginning, because you have to figure

889
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: out how you're going to get there and how you're

890
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: going to hunt it and preserve that movement. And that's

891
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: way harder than just figuring out where deer like to walk.

892
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like, you know, you go out

893
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: and do your summer scouting and whatever, and you get

894
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 3: some spots that you're excited about, but then really once

895
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: you get in there, everything starts to change throughout the year,

896
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: so you're just constantly looking for like fresh sign over here. Okay,

897
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: now we're gonna just over here. You know, you might

898
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: not be right on that spot that you scouted during

899
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: the summer. You might be close to it, but you

900
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: know you got to just go in there and then

901
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: adjust accordingly to whatever the deer doing at that time.

902
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 3: And that, to me is the funnest. I love that because,

903
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: like in season, you get in there in a spot

904
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: and then you're just you know, you have somewhat of

905
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: an idea based on the scouting that you did, but

906
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: then little things pop up and your little light bulbs

907
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: start going off, and then you're like, all right, we

908
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 3: got to just over here. Now we're gonna pop over

909
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 3: this way. That to me is a lot of fun

910
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: because it's just always changing throughout the year and eventually

911
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: you get it right and then you get an opportunity.

912
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think that's the thing. You know that

913
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: you guys have shown a lot of whitetail hunters that

914
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: we didn't really get from a lot of traditional hunting

915
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: media because it was it was created on places with

916
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: a high level of deer consistency. You know, like a

917
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: lot of the traditional you know, magazine articles and then

918
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: TV shows and now YouTube uh, you know, episodes are

919
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: like they're filmed on places where the deer are consistent.

920
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: Let me put it that way, like they're going to

921
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: end up in that food plot or they're going to

922
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: use the same ridge every year because there's nobody messing

923
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: with them. And it's a very kind of controlled, curated setting.

924
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: But most people don't have that. I mean some people do,

925
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: but most people don't. And so it is that game

926
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: of you know, not maybe continuous year long scouting, but

927
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: definitely hitting those real important points the winter scouting and

928
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: then the mid to late summer glassing and trail camera

929
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: work and whatever and building sort of building that database.

930
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: But it only takes you like seventy five percent of

931
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: the way there maybe, and the rest is just kind

932
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: of what you're talking about, like what are you finding

933
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: in season that you can kind of backfill and go, Okay, well,

934
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: I saw these bucks up here down there in the summer.

935
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: I know they're around here, but now what I'm seeing

936
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: is like the most current information you have to plug

937
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: in and it's going to lead you places you probably

938
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: didn't expect back in August. But that's like that's the game,

939
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: Like that's how it works.

940
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, like we'll do all kinds

941
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: of scouting and whatever during the summer, and then by

942
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: the time it's mid October, a lot of that's just

943
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: out the window, and you're just going wherever you're getting

944
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: little clues, you know, and you just base it off

945
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: of that, and it's just an ever evolving process until

946
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 3: you finally finally get one.

947
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: I guess well, and you don't have to wait till

948
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 2: October a lot of times for that stuff to change.

949
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, exactly. And I know you guys have

950
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: done this quite a bit and I have too. Where

951
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, if you hunt a state that's got like

952
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: a September one opener, and you're like, man, I'm going

953
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: to pattern those velvet bucks. If you spend you know,

954
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: some portion of maybe the first ten days of September hunting,

955
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: you will see those bucks go from velvet to hard antlered.

956
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: And you will see some of them that don't seem

957
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: like it's influenced by pressure change. I mean, they're going

958
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: to do things a little bit differently, and you'll see

959
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: movement a little bit later. And just it's so much

960
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: of that stuff's happening regardless of whether we pressure them

961
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: or somebody else does. And then you think about all

962
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: those situations where now they are getting real pressure on

963
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: public land in spots and the leaves are coming down

964
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: and the food sources are changing, and it almost always

965
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: is a game of plugging in what you find right

966
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: now and what you observe right now to make a

967
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: plan for tomorrow.

968
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: Yep, for sure. That's that's what makes it so fun,

969
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: is just it's always something, always is changing, and you're

970
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: just constantly playing cat and mouse with them, and uh yeah,

971
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: it's a lot of fun. Like last year, me and

972
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: Keith were hunting a piece where we'd found a bunch

973
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: of like real fresh scrapes. We'd actually hadn't scouted this

974
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: piece during the summer. We just dove in there, and

975
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: I think Jake actually went in there the week before

976
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 3: and found some fresh sign and then he was going

977
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: to a different state. So me and Keith dove in there,

978
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: and you know, we would we were hunting this ridge

979
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: system on top, but then it would drop into this

980
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: river bottom and tons of like thick cover where there

981
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: was a bunch of good bedding and stuff, and we

982
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: kept thinking, you know, this is probably the spot down

983
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: here off this ridge, but we kept running into freshtine

984
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: up on these ridges, so we'd just stop and then

985
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 3: we'd hunt that, and you know, we'd find a scrape

986
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: and we'd stop and we'd hunt it, or we might

987
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: bump a dough or something, and we're like, all right,

988
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: we better hold up here and hunt this for tonight.

989
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Even though we kept thinking the spot deeper in there

990
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: was the spot to be, we just kept like stage

991
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: hunting our way in there, and eventually we got good

992
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: conditions to really dive all the way into the piece

993
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: where we thought maybe the bucks were actually moving around

994
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: in the daylight. And when we got those good conditions,

995
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: we dove all the way in there, and I mean

996
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: we blew out I think we probably blew out fifteen

997
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: dos on our way in there. And it was always

998
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: like you'd see something. You'd see a deer get up,

999
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: and your gut would just getting a knock because you're like,

1000
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: oh God, I hope that wasn't the buck. But then

1001
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: you could see it and it was a dough and

1002
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, we got to just keep going

1003
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: a little bit, keep going, and we just kept bumping

1004
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: doe and eventually we got to the spot where we

1005
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: wanted to be and then ended up killing a buck there.

1006
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: But it's like that's the end season scouting. I guess,

1007
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: like we hadn't we hadn't scouted that spot during the summer.

1008
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: We had been in there years past and knew that

1009
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: it was a good spot. So then when Jake went

1010
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: in there and found some fresh sign, then me and

1011
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: Keith dove in there, and you know, we just slowly

1012
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 3: picked our way at it, but we weren't going off

1013
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: of any sort of summer scout, and then we were

1014
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: just going off of the sign that we were finding

1015
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: from you know, probably that the night before.

1016
00:52:50,760 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: Basically one thing that I haven't heard you say, is

1017
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: anything about trail cameras are they? Like, to what level

1018
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: do you rely on trail cameras for summer scouting?

1019
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: It depends, I mean sometimes. I mean we always put

1020
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: them out there. Every year. We put trail cameras up

1021
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: in the summer, and then we'll put them up and

1022
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: we'll be adjusting them throughout the fall. I guess wherever

1023
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: we're finding the best stuff.

1024
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: So hold on. So if you go, let's just say hypothetically, uh,

1025
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: you find a new chunk of walking land and you

1026
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: want to You're like, man, that's that's brand new on

1027
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: you know, e scouting. It looks pretty bad ass. When

1028
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: you go in there the first time in the summer,

1029
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: you're you're definitely going to bring some cameras with you.

1030
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: Most times, Yeah, we're really bringing cameras with us and

1031
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: setting one up. We have a ton of trail camera

1032
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: so we're able to do that where we can just

1033
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: kind of spread a wide net of them wherever we're

1034
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: scouting at. I would say that the best example of

1035
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: using a trail camera to kill a buck that I

1036
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: have is it was I think it was August, Me

1037
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: and Warb and Goots went into a spot and scouted

1038
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: and we found a bunch of real heavy trails and

1039
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 3: like old rubs from the year before, all coming out

1040
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: of this real thick creek bottom and it was coming

1041
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: up through these hardwoods out to these agfields. So we

1042
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: set up a trail camera right there, and it wasn't

1043
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: a cell camera. So we went in there like the

1044
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: week before season opened and checked the camera and there

1045
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: was a bunch of bucks on it. But there was

1046
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 3: a bunch of bucks. It was interesting because there was

1047
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: a bunch of bucks in velvet coming up through that

1048
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: trail until like the last week is said, September, and

1049
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: they had and then they weren't on there from like

1050
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: the last week of September to the first week of

1051
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: October or to the first the day before October, I guess.

1052
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: So we saw that and we were like, okay, so

1053
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 3: they were coming out this trail coming out of that

1054
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: bedding area that we had kind of found in the summer.

1055
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: But now they're not coming out there, so where are

1056
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: they going now? And we had scouted this ridge that

1057
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: was just a little ways to the oh what would

1058
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: that have been west of there, west of the camera,

1059
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 3: and we knew there was a bunch of red oaks

1060
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: up there, and that's what was dropping the most that

1061
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: year was red oaks. So after seeing that they're all

1062
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: those bucks were coming out of that bedding area and

1063
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 3: then that like it was like a hard switch where

1064
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: they weren't coming by the camera, We're like, all right, well,

1065
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're going up that ridge now and

1066
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: feeding on those acorns. So me and Goot went in

1067
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: there opening day, which was October first, and instead of

1068
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: going by that trail camera, we ducked off into the

1069
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: woods and started scouting away through these ridges and it

1070
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: only took like two ridges, and it was like straight

1071
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: west of the camera, and we found a real big

1072
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: buck track in one of the ravines. And then we

1073
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: popped up on this ridge and it was just like

1074
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: tore up. It looked like not with buck sign, but

1075
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: just tore up with feeding sign, Like you could see

1076
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: where the deer had been in there and palling at

1077
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: the ground and trying to get to the acorns and everything.

1078
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 3: And there was one little rub up there that looked

1079
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 3: to be pretty fresh. It didn't look it wasn't anything crazy.

1080
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: It was just right by all that crazy feeding sign

1081
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: that we had found. And we just set up right

1082
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 3: there and ended up killing a buck that night.

1083
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: And how far was that from the camera where he

1084
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: killed him?

1085
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: It was probably two hundred yards. It was like the

1086
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: camera was in a spot upon like right on the

1087
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 3: edge of this agfield, and then it dropped down into

1088
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: a ravine and then popped back up on this ridge,

1089
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: and that was where we ended up killing the buck.

1090
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: We just instead of going to that camera and then

1091
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: moving around from there, we dove in before we got

1092
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: to the camera and started scouting away through those ridges.

1093
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: And then that ridge that was just straight west of

1094
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: the camera is where we found all that feeding sign

1095
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: and then we ended up killing that buck. But it's

1096
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 3: that's the best example I've out of, you know, using

1097
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: a trail camera to try and figure out where the

1098
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: deer are. You know, he wasn't. It's interesting because a

1099
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: lot of times, like even I think of, you know,

1100
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: there's this buck, all right, he came by the trail

1101
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: camera the night before. Now we're gonna go set up

1102
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: like right by the camera. It seems like every time

1103
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: I've done that, Ye, there's nothing ever shows up like

1104
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: you see, all right, buck came by there the night before.

1105
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go sit up there and then you see nothing.

1106
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: And so that was kind of a cool one because

1107
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: we saw that they were on their a bunch coming

1108
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: out of the coming from the direction where we found

1109
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: all that betting sign and uh, and then they had

1110
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: shifted a little bit, but we didn't know where exactly.

1111
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: And then we went in there and found all that

1112
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: tore up. That ridge was all tore up, and that's

1113
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: where we ended up killing them. They had just shifted

1114
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: over just a little bit, And so that was that

1115
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: was a pretty cool one.

1116
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: Do you know. Do you know what I love about

1117
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: that story? What's that that most people would probably just

1118
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: assume one of two things that somebody went in there

1119
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: and blew that river bottom out and those bucks were gone,

1120
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: or because it was getting close to October, they went

1121
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 2: nocturnal and the lull came in early and those deer

1122
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: weren't moving, you know. I mean, if you hear that

1123
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: a lot, you know that that's the danger of trail

1124
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: camera usage. I think, you know, one of the dangers

1125
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: is you're gonna fill in the blanks, you know, So

1126
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: like what you're talking about there, if you have that

1127
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: camera up and you've got consistent buck movement up that trail,

1128
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: up that ridge, and then all of a sudden it

1129
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: dies off. If you're not in a place where you're like,

1130
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go figure out why that, like you guys did,

1131
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: like there has to be a reason why, and you're

1132
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: not just assuming the worst. You're just like, okay, well

1133
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: something changed, you know, like something something took those bucks

1134
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: off of this specific pattern. I think a lot of

1135
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: hunters would look at that and stop with with you know,

1136
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: checking the pictures and go all right, these deer are

1137
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: not killable or I'm gonna set up here anyway, because

1138
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: they were coming through here like crazy, and maybe maybe

1139
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: you'll pick one up. But it's such a simple explanation that,

1140
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, what you guys had going on was, you know,

1141
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: it's late September, and then all of a sudden it

1142
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: gets into right at the beginning of October, and that's

1143
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: when a lot of that mask has fallen down. So

1144
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: those bucks never left, they didn't go nocturnal, they just

1145
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: shifted a little bit. And if they're off by twenty feet,

1146
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: your trail camera suddenly becomes something that could work against

1147
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: you if you don't go figure out why did dry up?

1148
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: Why did those sighting or you know, why did the

1149
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: images dry up? It's such a good lesson in that hunt.

1150
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was eye opening to me too.

1151
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 3: It was like because I mean, there could have been

1152
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 3: somebody that went in there and blew them out of there.

1153
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: We didn't really know, but we just decided, well, there

1154
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: was i mean a good amount of different bucks coming

1155
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: through there, so they got to be and they were

1156
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: all coming from that same direction that we had scouted,

1157
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: so where we found all the good bedding, and we

1158
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: were like, they got to be still in here somewhere,

1159
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: just a matter of finding them, and it just happened

1160
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: to work out on the very first time it went

1161
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: in there. But yeah, it's trail cameras are. They can

1162
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: be your friend or they can be your worst enemy sometimes.

1163
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that that example there is so

1164
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: poignant because it shows how to use them correctly. We

1165
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 2: if you put them out there, and they gave you

1166
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: so much proof of life, so much proof that those

1167
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: bucks were living there, and then they gave you proof

1168
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: that those bucks had changed their pattern. So everything, if

1169
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: you use that correctly, everything those trail cameras did was

1170
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: was a net benefit to you. Even when they showed

1171
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: you now they're not here, But you have to use

1172
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: it that way, and you have to use them as

1173
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: like a complimentary tool to that boots on the ground

1174
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: scouting and that end season scouting. But many can. They

1175
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: can be a badass tool is long as you don't

1176
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: use them to tell you things that aren't true. And

1177
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: that's that's where we get into a lot of trouble

1178
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: with a nocturnal bucks or things like that. It's like, man,

1179
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: just because they didn't walk in front of this camera

1180
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're not killable. They just something changed. And

1181
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, you you you mentioned this and I did

1182
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: too with you know, well, maybe they blew up. You know,

1183
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 2: maybe somebody blew out that river bottom. You know, those

1184
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: bucks aren't elk, They're not going four miles away, you know,

1185
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: so if somebody went through there and did blow them out,

1186
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, And that's like the conclusion you come to

1187
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: with your with your camera usage, that's fine, but do

1188
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: you know that? And like if somebody walks through there,

1189
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 2: you know, public land, those bucks get bumped a lot,

1190
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: Like how much how much does it really matter if

1191
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: you're doing your work? You know, Like I think it's

1192
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: I think it's dangerous just to assume the worst every

1193
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: time something happens that you kind of don't expect.

1194
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah, no it it can be very

1195
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: helpful and most I mean, it always is helpful. It's

1196
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: just sometimes they can be frustrating. I guess like last year,

1197
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: Warbur and I hunted a we had a trail camera up,

1198
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: a cell camera during the rut, and there was bucks

1199
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: going by it like crazy in the daylight, and we

1200
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 3: just kept going in there and setting up close to

1201
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: it and never never once even saw a buck in there,

1202
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: but they just kept coming by the camera and we

1203
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: could not quite figure out where or how exactly to

1204
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: kill one of them. And it was that was one

1205
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: where it was like, all right, this is really frustrating

1206
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 3: because they're coming by this camera. We just can't seem

1207
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: to get ourselves quite in the right position.

1208
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, did they know you were going in there?

1209
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: They might have, I don't really know. It was it

1210
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: was a weird deal because we just kept picking a

1211
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: way around there, and you know, like every every day

1212
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 3: we'd get a picture of a really nice bucket on there,

1213
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: and we just cannot quite get one in bow range.

1214
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: We never I mean we saw one one time I guess,

1215
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: didn't kill him. But and like I say, this was

1216
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 3: during the rut, so it's a little bit harder to

1217
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: predict buck movement, I would say. But we just kept

1218
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: going in there and picking away around that camera in

1219
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: different spots wherever the conditions were good for it, and

1220
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 3: never could quite get one killed. So that's where I

1221
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: guess I say, sometimes they can be frustrating where you're like,

1222
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 3: all right, they're going by this thing every single day

1223
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 3: and we just can't quite get ourselves in the right

1224
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: position to kill one for whatever reason. And they make

1225
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 3: every hunt exciting because you know there's a bunch of

1226
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 3: bucks in there for sure.

1227
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, that's another good lesson there that

1228
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, we kind of take for granted a lot

1229
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: of times, is if you're getting consistent pictures of a buck,

1230
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: especially with cell cameras, I mean, you're not there, and

1231
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: when you are there, everything changes. And so some situations

1232
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: like a you know, the right field edge type of hunt,

1233
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, you could really dial in to killing a

1234
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: buck that way with a cell camera or you know,

1235
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: maybe a food plot or whatever that you have just

1236
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: like totally badass like airtight access. But you know, when

1237
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: you're talking public land or you know, some private land

1238
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: just just permission based and other people might be in there,

1239
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: and you know, just the whims of mother nature. It's

1240
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: just a really good starting point a lot of times

1241
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: is getting those pictures. But you have to accept that

1242
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: reality that it doesn't matter if he's if he's coming

1243
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: through at six o'clock every day and working a scrape

1244
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: and it's broad daylight and whatever, you're not there, and

1245
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: that changes so much. I mean, where you park and

1246
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: how you walk in and probably a lot of things

1247
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: that we're not even aware of. You know, maybe you know,

1248
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: maybe you jump to deer around the way in that

1249
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: you didn't even know was there and it ran past

1250
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: his betting area or whatever. But you have to listen

1251
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: to you have to pay attention to what the deer

1252
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: show you in that situation, because the trail camera is

1253
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: giving you a view of that world that doesn't involve

1254
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: your presence, and then your presence there kind of trumps

1255
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: everything because you have to be there to kill them.

1256
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: And so you know, those trail camera images are awesome,

1257
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: and like you said, they pump you up, but what

1258
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: are you actually seeing when you go in there, because

1259
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: if if the deer aren't coming through, then something's going

1260
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: on that you're gonna have to adapt to.

1261
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it's it's a fun game to play

1262
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: most times. It's just sometimes you get it right and

1263
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: sometimes you don't.

1264
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: I guess it is fun. What's what state are you

1265
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: most excited to hunt this year? Don't say Iowa?

1266
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 3: This year? I actually don't have any hunts playing. I

1267
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: don't think other than Iowa. I think I guess I

1268
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: got a Mississippi tag, which I'll hunt at some point,

1269
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: But other than that, I actually don't have any hunts

1270
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: planned for my that I'm actually gonna be carrying a

1271
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: bow at the moment, really, So.

1272
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: That's a little disappointing to me. If I'm gonna be

1273
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: honest with you.

1274
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: I know, I'm sure it is last year I had.

1275
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: Last year I had Kansas and Iowa. I think that's it.

1276
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 3: But uh, this year, I don't have anything planned really.

1277
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly where where I'm gonna end up.

1278
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: I know we're going. I think we're going out to

1279
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: Wyoming to start. Greg's got a tag out there, and

1280
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: then possibly North Dakota again. Early I think Jake's got

1281
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: a Kansas tag Kansas muzzloader. That's about all I know

1282
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: as far as that goes. And then Warb's cousin has

1283
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: an elk tag and Zach's dad has an elk tag

1284
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: out in Wyoming, so they'll be doing that, and I'm

1285
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: not sure where will be the rest of us. I

1286
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 3: guess all.

1287
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: Right, how about this, then, what is your favorite state

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Speaker 2: to hunt public land whitetails in? That's not Iowa.

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Speaker 3: H'm trying to think of. We're all of hunted. I

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Speaker 3: really liked hunting Kansas last year. That was a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun. I haven't actually been up to North Dakota.

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Speaker 3: I'd really like to go up there and hunt.

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Speaker 2: You never hunted North Dakota, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: I've never even been up there in film. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to go up there.

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Speaker 2: North Dakota's pretty good, That's all I'm gonna say about that.

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Speaker 2: Pretty fun state, pretty cool, pretty diverse. I think in

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who've never been up there, I

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Speaker 2: think would assume, you know, And we do the same

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Speaker 2: thing with South Dakota and Kansas and Nebraska, right is like,

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Speaker 2: if you've never been there, you kind of think, oh, there,

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Speaker 2: you know there's not much going on there, but you know,

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Speaker 2: North Dakota. One of the things I love about it is,

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Speaker 2: you know, I can be on the east side of

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Speaker 2: the state and have kind of a very typical type

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Speaker 2: of white tail hunt, and I can go to the

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Speaker 2: west side of the state and you know, you're you're

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Speaker 2: in the middle of elk and mule deer an antelope

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: while you're hunting white tails, and you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: in air that smells like sage, and it's just a

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Speaker 2: different experience. It's that's that's a badass state. I like

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Speaker 2: North Dakota a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to going up there at some point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when I'll make it up there exactly,

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Speaker 3: but maybe this year.

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Speaker 2: I know when I'm gonna make it up there. This year.

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Speaker 2: I have that one on the books already. Well, we

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Speaker 2: better wrap this up, buddy. Uh, it was you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a pleasure to talk to you as always.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on here. I hope you guys

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Speaker 2: go catch the crap out of the catfish on your

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Speaker 2: diddy poles. Uh. Where can everybody find all your guys' stuff?

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Speaker 3: You can find all of our hunting videos on the

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Speaker 3: Hunting Public YouTube channel, and then we've got Instagram and

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Speaker 3: Facebook and TikTok all under the Hunting Public and I

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Speaker 3: think think that's about it. I think we have some

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Speaker 3: videos on Amazon Prime as well, so those are the

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Speaker 3: main sources to find our videos.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, buddy, thanks so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to tune in next week for some more

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Speaker 2: whitetail goodness. Has been the Wire to Hunt podcast, which

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Speaker 2: is brought to you by First Light, and I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. As I always, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: You'll see when we drop a new series, like we

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Speaker 2: just dropped that buck Truck series by those Element Boys.

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Speaker 2: All kinds of great hunting content over there. Go over there,

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Speaker 2: check it out. And as always, I just want to

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Speaker 2: thank you again for your support. It really means the

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Speaker 2: world to us that you guys come here and listen

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Speaker 2: to this every week and my Foundations podcast, we truly

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Speaker 2: appreciate it so thank you for that