1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: After a gut punch to the family of Gabby Petito 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: when a judge blocked their lawsuit against cops they claimed 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: quote sent her to her death. A reversal the case 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: is now heading to the State Supreme Court. I'm Nancy Grace. 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: being with us. The parents of Gabby Petito, murder victim 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: just scrubbed in Sunshine, beautiful girl inside and outside, suffered 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: a horrific legal blow as their wrongful death lawsuit against 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Utah police was. 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Thrown out of court by a judge recalled. 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: Gabby vanished on a cross country road trip with her 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: then fiance, Brian Laundry, but her remains were found and 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: dispersed camp basically in the middle of nowhere on the 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: edge of Wyoming's Grand Teeton National Park. Laundry later confessed 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: to killing her, but this was weeks after Moai police 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: spoke with them about a domestic violence incident. Witnesses saw 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: Brian Laundry strike her in the face literally on main Street, 19 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: yet they treated Gabby as if she was the aggressor. 20 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Then Utah Seventh Court Judge John Torgerson dismissed their claim, 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: claiming that the police have governmental immunity. 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: From the lawsuit. 23 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: It's called the king can do no wrong or sovereign immunity. 24 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: You cannot sue the government. The Petito lawyer said the 25 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: parents relied on officers to help them, but their grossly 26 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: negligent investigation increased the likelihood their daughter would be harmed 27 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: and quote sent her to her death. But in the 28 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: last days his decision has been thrown out and the 29 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: case is making its way to the Utah Supreme Court. 30 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: If you will recall, Gabby and her killer slash fiance, 31 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: Brian Laundry, were pulled over by Moat police. Witnesses had 32 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: seen Brian Laundry hitting Gabby in the face. Yet, after 33 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: Brian Laundry takes off in the car and Gabby Potito's 34 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: for transit, almost leaving her behind, she had to try 35 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: and jump in the car window. He was leaving not 36 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: only in her for transit, but everything she owned in 37 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: the world. She had single handedly customized the transit for 38 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: a cross country trip in the. 39 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Heat of the moment. 40 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: After hitting her in the face, he tries to drive 41 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: off with her transit at all her worldly belongings. She 42 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: finally gets in and not too far out of the city, 43 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: she's pulled over along with Laundry, who's driving, and believe 44 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: it or not, the Moa police name her as the 45 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that 46 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiancee, Brian Laundry. 47 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: So bottom line, can her family sue the Moa Police department? 48 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: Well as of right now, believe it or not, the 49 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: answer is no. But let me guarantee you I predict 50 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: this case ain't over yet and that it will become 51 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: extremely complicated and contentious. Remember this happened in Moab, Utah. 52 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: The Utah seventh District Court Judge Don Torgerson agreed with 53 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: the city of Moab. They requested that the Gabby Potito 54 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: family motion be dismissed, and the judge went along with it. 55 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: He basically said, this is too big for a district 56 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: court to decide, and appeals courts will have to determine 57 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: if the Potitos had a case. Now, many people argue 58 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: that Judge Torgerson had no choice but grant the request 59 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: to dismiss the case based on something called governmental immunity. 60 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: It's also called sovereign immunity, which dates all the way 61 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: back to our common law from Great Britain. 62 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: The king can do no wrong. 63 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: In other words, you can't sue the king, and here 64 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: you can't sue the government. So one of the potatoes 65 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: are asking is for the judge to rule against sovereign immunity. 66 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think everybody else is wrong. 67 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: I think Torgerson could have gone along with the potatoes, 68 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: but he hid behind his robes and decided not to act. 69 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: Let's do a little reality check about what happened to 70 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: Gabby Potito. 71 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: Scary and nerve wrecking. We don't sleep. We're just actively 72 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: looking for her. At least three times a week. We 73 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: would FaceTime, called text frequently. She kept me updated on. 74 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: This whole trip. The first couple of days. 75 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: Though I wasn't getting responses. I believe she was in 76 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: a place with no service. It took I mean it 77 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: was like day eight and nine that I really became concerned. 78 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: I've been on that exact route before with the twins 79 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: in an RV, and the mom is right. There are 80 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: a lot of desk spots where you can't get a 81 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: sale to call out. 82 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: We're looking at behavioral evidence. 83 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: How many days had passed before mom realized something was wrong. 84 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at CBS two. 85 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 4: Police say she's believed to have last been in Wyoming's 86 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: Grand Teetown National Park. 87 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: Video of the trip was. 88 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 4: Uploaded to YouTube August nineteenth. Her mother says she left 89 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: New York early July for the trip, which was set 90 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 4: to end in Oregon next month. She was traveling in 91 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: this white van, which police say has been recovered. 92 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: I just believe she's in danger because she's not in 93 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: touch with us, and she could be alone somewhere. She 94 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: could be stranded somewhere in the wilderness. 95 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: And she need help. 96 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: Well, is that what happened? Does she and her boyfriend 97 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: have an argument and he she stormed off? Did he 98 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: just leave hersranded? My question is why is he not 99 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: being forthcoming and telling the story as to what happened 100 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: to Gabrielle? As I told you, The van is found 101 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: in his parents' driveway back in Florida. But no Gabby, 102 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: how did it all start? Take a listen to April 103 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: Baker Fox thirteen. 104 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 5: Gabby is originally from New York, but she was living 105 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: in Florida with her fiance at the time. 106 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: They took off on the road trip back in July. 107 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: Her family tells Fox News that the couple was touring 108 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 5: national parks in a converted camper van before heading to 109 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 5: Salt Lake City. The couple actually documented most of their 110 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 5: trip on Instagram and YouTube. 111 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: You're seeing it here, some of it showing. 112 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 5: Them hanging out in a tent outside Capital Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole, 113 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 5: says she last spoke on the phone with her daughter 114 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 5: August twenty fifth. 115 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: That's very critical as a matter of fact, because that 116 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: travel on video, which I have watched over and over 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: and over. It's call nomadic Static with the K, Static 118 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: with the K, and it's very engrossing. It makes you 119 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: want to be with them on the camp or this beautiful, 120 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: wonderful trip. But it's critical to me because her last 121 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: Instagram posting linked to that video and that's really the 122 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: last day as I understand the timeline that we know 123 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: her to be safe and alive. About the video, Take 124 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: a listen to her video van live. 125 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: Take a tiny listen. 126 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I meane never goes outside. 127 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: You know. 128 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: You hear this beautiful whimsical music throughout and it shows 129 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: them traveling the country. A lot of the shots our 130 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: video as they're you know, looking out the window as 131 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: they're flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch, 132 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: they went to the Mystic Hot Springs, They covered everything 133 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: beautiful in the West. 134 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: How did it all go so horribly wrong? With me? 135 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: An all star panel to try to make some sense 136 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: of what we know right now? With me renowned trial attorney, 137 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: you know her well, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of 138 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: North Carolina. You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. 139 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: Karen Stark, you know her well. She is a psychologist 140 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: joining us out of Manhattan at karens dot com on Facebook. 141 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: Karen start. 142 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: That's with a c who has analyzed nearly every high 143 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: profile criminal case that I can think of. Joining me 144 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: Lisa M. Daddio, former police lieutenant. And you have a 145 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: police department lecturer and the director of the Center for 146 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: Advanced Policing in New Haven and Emmy Award winning investigative 147 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: reporter Christy Missourich. Christy, let's start at the beginning. Tell 148 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: me about how the road trip. With the inception of 149 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: the road trip. 150 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 6: They were living together in Florida and this boyfriend promotes 151 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 6: himself as a nature enthusiast. 152 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Stop, what do you mean? Promotes himself well on Facebook. 153 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 6: In all of his other social media, he promotes himself 154 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 6: as a nature enthusiast and believes that getting bug bites 155 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 6: out in the beauty of the world are better than 156 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 6: being brainwashed by the media his words. 157 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? You say it like there's something 158 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: wrong with being a nature enthusiast. And I want to 159 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: ask you, is nature enthusiasts? 160 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: Are those? Your words? Are his words? 161 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 6: His words? 162 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: His words and nature? Can I ask you this? 163 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: What does he do for a living other than be 164 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: enthusiastic about nature? 165 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 6: Working at a public's grocery store? 166 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, I'm glad you said that, because they both 167 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: worked at publics. 168 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: But that's not where they met. Okay, I'm interrupting you 169 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead? 170 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 6: Will They originally meet in New York State, and then 171 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 6: he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She 172 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 6: follows a few years later, so earlier this summer, they 173 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 6: decide that they are going to leave all of their 174 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 6: valuables behind and transform this van into a mini camper, 175 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 6: travel up to see her brother graduate in New York 176 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 6: State and then cross the country on this excursion. 177 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: Now, it's my understanding. Christy, Missouri. 178 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: They knew each other way back way back home in 179 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: Suffolk County. 180 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Then she goes. 181 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: Then they meet each other again years later. It's like 182 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: meeting an old high school friend and they fall in love. 183 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: He moves to Florida, she comes down with him. Her father, 184 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: her bio Dat, also moves to Florida to be near her. 185 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: The mom and her new husband stay in New York. 186 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: Is my understanding, and then they travel back to New 187 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: York for her little brother's high school graduation, and from 188 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: there they commence. 189 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: The road Trip Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 190 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: In the last days, the Utah Supreme Court scheduled oral 191 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: arguments in the Gabby petito family's case against the Moab 192 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: Police Department. Lawyers for the Potito family say police should 193 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: have recognized signs and symptoms of domestic violence. In fact, 194 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: a domestic violence crisis when you look at the video 195 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: of Gabby crying and describing what happened, and discover what 196 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: witnesses had to say about laundry slapping her and locking 197 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: her out of her own forward transit, threatening to leave 198 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: her there in the middle of nowhere, she had to 199 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: try to climb in the window to get back in 200 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: her own vehicle. Yes, that's domestic violence. But now Gabby's 201 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: family will have their day in court. Their case against 202 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: mo FPD will be heard in front of the Utah 203 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Now, Justin Burton, who is Gabby's family lawyer, argued, 204 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: the ability to file a suit like this is built 205 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: into the Utah Constitution and that the government immunity as 206 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: I was describing earlier, sovereign immunity is unconstitutional, completely unconstitutional. Now, 207 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: the judge, as I've seen so many times before, this 208 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: is Judge Don Torttersen, goes to great links to explain 209 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: before he dismissed it how he had to. 210 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: Follow the law. 211 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, if this is the law, then the law is 212 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: an ass okay, and Torgersen went along with it. 213 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: What happened, Sharon Stark? 214 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: It looks like something off HGTV where they have people 215 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: that live they do a little house or a house 216 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: on wheels or traveling campers and you're on the room 217 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: and it's so amazing and it's escapist. But this was 218 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: their real life. Gabby, Gabrielle and boyfriend Laundry go on 219 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: this what's in a lifetime fantastic trip, and they video 220 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: blog it and the blog is engrossing in one part, Karen, 221 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I watched the whole thing, which is rare 222 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: for me. 223 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: She's in her tent. 224 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: She says, we're going to hang out at the campsite today, 225 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: and it all looks so cozy and perfect, and you 226 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: can see this beautiful natural scenery that most of us 227 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: just dream of seeing one day in the background, and 228 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: then one day it's raining and she's holding the tent 229 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: up like that because she says the rain's coming in 230 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: and she's laughing. She's just so happy and it makes 231 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: you want to go along with them. She's got a 232 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: very inviting personnel. 233 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 7: She's totally engrossing, and the whole trip the only thing 234 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 7: that's what makes it so mysterious and upsetting to think 235 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 7: about how beautiful is coming across and she totally disappeared. 236 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you watch that, the only thing that 237 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 7: you can find is that she talks about how precarious 238 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 7: it is that they like to climb, and they really 239 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 7: like to climb things that are difficult. 240 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, that's so funny, funny. 241 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: Odd, I was up super early this morning studying about 242 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: Gabrielle Gabby and was discussing it with my friend Medea, 243 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: and she said, well, what if they were posting on 244 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: a cliff and Gabby fell off? And my response was 245 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,239 Speaker 2: that could possibly have happened. But why would. 246 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: He get in the van and come all the way 247 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: back home to Florida? 248 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: Is it Northport or North north Point, Christy Masurich. 249 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: Port Port Nancy? 250 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 6: To your point of all the cliff climbing on August 251 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 6: twenty third, ed Gebby didn't post on Instagram that the 252 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 6: pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes through some dangerous 253 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 6: terrain during their stay. That was one of her last posts. 254 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: You know, back to you, Karen with. 255 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: That knowledge, you know, Christy massourk is right the hiking 256 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: was very forcarious. As a matter of fact, if that happened, 257 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: why would he drive all the way back to north Port, Florida, 258 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: which I think is Sarasota County and not say a 259 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: word to anybody if she fell off a cliff, or 260 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: even if they had an argument Karen and she's like, 261 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going anymore, this is it and leaves number one? 262 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: Why would he leave or stranded if that's what happened, 263 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: But to come all the way back home and not 264 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: tell everybody what happened. 265 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 7: This is really a nefarious character and he planned something 266 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 7: all along, or he went into shock. Something really did 267 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 7: happen to her and he couldn't cope with it. 268 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Do not handle Karen Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen. 269 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: If he could drive across country and operate a van 270 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: having to stop, I guess for gas or food, that's 271 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: not a shock to me. 272 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: When you're in shock, you can't think straight. 273 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 7: Not necessarily, he could get himself home. He could have punished, 274 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 7: And that's the only thing I could think of that 275 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 7: would make. 276 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: Sense out of it. 277 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 7: Unless he actually had planned all along to do something. 278 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: I don't believe that there was a plan all along 279 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: to do something. I don't believe that. 280 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: Guys. Take a listen to our cut five. I love 281 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: the VN. 282 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 8: So we are right outside Capital Reef right now in 283 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 8: a free dispersed camp spot, and we've been lucky so 284 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 8: far at all the places you stayed, but I say 285 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 8: this is one of the best so far. 286 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: Since we left in New York. 287 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 8: I've only set up my hammock once and they were 288 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 8: all the way in Utah, and luckily enough, I was 289 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 8: able to set up my hammock in one of these trees. 290 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: And they're kind of like in the desert. I heard 291 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: a few trees. It just sounds so beautiful. 292 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: And I also noticed, straight out to you, Kathleen Murphy, 293 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: North Carolina trial lawyer, Kathleen, I noticed throughout he spoke 294 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: very little. It's mostly her shooting the video and speaking. 295 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: He did occasionally speak, But I want to know what 296 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: you make of it, Kathleen. 297 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 9: Well, first, Nancy, I went and tried to do a 298 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 9: deep dive on who this guy is. In all of 299 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 9: his social media accounts, there's nothing prior to meeting this 300 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 9: young lady. I knew nothing about him. 301 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: Except what he is like with this young lady. I did, and. 302 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 10: It's concerning to me that we don't know much. 303 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 9: And you know, I have a daughter about the same 304 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 9: age and I know her boyfriend pretty well. And I 305 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 9: went and be dived on his social media account. I 306 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 9: can't find anything about this young guy before he met 307 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 9: this girl. 308 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: How old is he? 309 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: Well, from what we understand, he is a twenty three 310 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: year old young man. That's my understanding of his age. 311 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: Kathleen twenty three. 312 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 9: He looks a lot older on his pictures, but it 313 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 9: seems to me that he would have high school pictures 314 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 9: and work pictures and family pictures out there. 315 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: But I didn't find anything. 316 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 9: And so I don't really know if the family knows 317 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 9: much about him. 318 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: Well, I would think that they do Christy, Missouri, because 319 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: my understanding of how the. 320 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Two knew each other is they knew. 321 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Each other previously, and there's not much previously. She's only 322 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 2: twenty two, so she had to know him in high 323 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: school or college. She had to know him at that point. 324 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: Then they reconnect and then fall in love. That's my understanding. 325 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 2: So the family had to know him if she knew 326 00:19:59,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: him in her past. 327 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 11: It's only twenty two, correct, They did go to high 328 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 11: school together and they knew Brian in passing, and when 329 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 11: they reconnected, they kind of gave the duel their blessing. 330 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: That's why her biological father moved down to Florida to 331 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 6: be close to them. 332 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: Listen to Nicole Schmidt is Gabby's mother and Jim Schmidt 333 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: her stepfather. 334 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: At their most recent press conference, when she. 335 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: Left, what did she say like Cima? 336 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: He said, on my height? 337 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 12: What did she What was it like? 338 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 13: We hid? 339 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: We gave them some money, so you know they needed 340 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: it because they're kids, you know, they were excited. 341 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: About the truth. They left on July second from New 342 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: York was. 343 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 14: The first of the trip on the what are they 344 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 14: trying to do? 345 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: Camping, hiking, seeing the country? 346 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 15: What we're sure bout truth? 347 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: The trip was was the end in October. 348 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: And Shortland, Oregon, And most of the last conversation had 349 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: with her on video chat. 350 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: What did she's a I. 351 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: Believe it was around the twenty third and or the 352 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: twenty fourth, I can't recall, but she was having a 353 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: great time. She said she was headed up to Wyoming. 354 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: So the last time that we see her, they were 355 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: facetiming to my understanding, was around let's give it the 356 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt August twenty four. She was not 357 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: reported missing by her family until September eleven. Why well, 358 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: you heard the mother stating that she thought Gabby had 359 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: gone into a remote area where there's no cell phone coverage, 360 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: so she chalked it off. Now, they were speaking every 361 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: three days or so by FaceTime, and her bio dad 362 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: was also speaking to her. So the first three days 363 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: past and she thinks, well, she's in a bad cell area. 364 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: Then we get to the next three days as she 365 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: still does not hear from her. So you go August 366 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: twenty four, you pass six days, you're now in August thirty. 367 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: Then she finds out, to my understanding, that the boyfriend 368 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: comes back home on September. 369 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Eleven in the van with no Gabby. 370 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: That is when she not the boyfriend reports Gabby missing. 371 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. 372 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: A judge has granted the defense motion to dismiss the 373 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: family of Gabby Potito's lawsuit against Moab Police Department. It 374 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: was a virtual hearing in the last hours. The state 375 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: argued a lawsuit like this should not be filed against 376 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: the Moab PD because of sovereign immunity. 377 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: The King can do no wrong. 378 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: It's a holdover from Anglo Saxon common law that we 379 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: brought with us when we settled America from Great Britain. 380 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, I got a curve ball for you, Jude. 381 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: If this is the law, then the laws ass Do 382 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: I need to jog your memory, Judge Jorgerson, about what 383 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: happened to Gabby Potito? Okay, I will I want you 384 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: to Take a listen to what we know about the 385 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: van showing up. Take a listen to our cut twenty four. 386 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: It's Evan Exelbank. Our friends at Fox thirteen. 387 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 16: Police found the van that they were potentially by the 388 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 16: boyfriend's parents. They're now processing that they've toted it away 389 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 16: and are looking through it for any evidence they can find. 390 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 16: Family in New York say that Gabrielle Pateto was on 391 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 16: a cross country trip, leaving Long Island on July second. 392 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 16: They were headed to Oregon, but stoppering numerous places along 393 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 16: the way, documenting their journey in their van on YouTube. 394 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 16: Family last spoke with her August twenty fourth or twenty fifth. 395 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: And last texted with her August thirtieth. 396 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 16: She was reported missing this weekend September eleventh, and they 397 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 16: may have reached as far as Grand Teton National Park. 398 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: What happened that fateful moment when Moab police ignored all 399 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: the signs that Gabby Brittito was a domestic violence victim, 400 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: named her the aggressor, and sent her along her way 401 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: with her killer body cam video. Let's go, Tyler if 402 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: you could play cut to zero eight. 403 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: This is Adrian Banker. Muse Nation Now Biddy. 404 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 17: Camera video has been released from Gabby Batito and Brian 405 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 17: Laundry's heated exchange in Utah back in August, and it 406 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 17: Patito admits she hit Laundry first, but that then he 407 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 17: grabbed her face after and dug his nails into her face. 408 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 17: The officer is heard on this camera footage this video 409 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 17: footage telling Laundry that he is the victim of domestic assault. 410 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 18: The police chief has taken a sudden leave of absence 411 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 18: and now the city is looking into how the police 412 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 18: officers involved handled the situation when they were called to 413 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 18: stop there with Gabby and with Brian, and many people 414 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 18: criticizing this incident because the police called Brian the victim 415 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 18: in this situation. 416 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to Massa Society joining us 417 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: WFLA TV. How come we didn't see that bodycam video? 418 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 19: To start with, great question, A great question, a question 419 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 19: that we're asking, and another question, is there any other 420 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 19: bodycam video that we haven't seen yet. There's a female 421 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 19: law enforcement officer on that scene and she is according 422 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 19: to the two bodycam videos that we have seen already, 423 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 19: she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while 424 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 19: Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. You know, 425 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 19: sometimes a girl might reveal more information to another to 426 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 19: another woman, So it'd be very interesting to see if 427 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 19: there's any other bodycam video and feel free to chime in. 428 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 19: But I did think I saw possibly a camera on 429 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 19: her uniform, so that's one big question. But really the 430 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 19: new thing that happened when this video was released. The 431 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 19: officer says, quote, did he hit you though? And she says, 432 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 19: I guess yeah, but I had him first, and she 433 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 19: kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed my face. 434 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 19: He didn't punch me, but he grabbed me with his nail. 435 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 19: I definitely have a cut. I can feel it when 436 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 19: I touch it. 437 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 20: It burns. 438 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 19: So this is what was new, Gabby saying very clearly 439 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 19: that he also assaulted her in this way. This is 440 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 19: something that we did not hear as clearly. 441 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 2: Let's try to play the entirety of cut to eleven, 442 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: the Moa Police Department second body cam footage that we 443 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: didn't see initially. 444 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 10: After you lock you out, he walked away to go 445 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 10: take a breather. But I wanted to sit in the 446 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 10: car because there was all myself in. 447 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 21: The car on my back. 448 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 14: I was working on something at the moment in the 449 00:26:44,880 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 14: car and I don't want to relax, so I got. 450 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 21: Wow, there's something cheek here. It's like, did you did 451 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 21: you get hit in the face? Hitting you in the 452 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 21: face over on your arm shoulders? 453 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 7: This new? 454 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 22: Huh new Mark, I don't. 455 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 21: Know the other side of your face. So what happened here? 456 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 22: And here? 457 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 14: I'm I'm sure. 458 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: So the back gotcha? 459 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 2: So she has a bruise and a cut on her face, 460 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: a bruise on her left arm, Yet she was dan 461 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: the aggressor. If Laundry had been arrested right then and 462 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: there for domestic violence in mo Ab, would Gabby be alive? 463 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 15: I'm doctor brinblu Teton County, Wyoming Corner. After the detailed 464 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 15: investigation by our forensic pathologists or anthropologists and local law 465 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 15: enforcement with assistance from the FBI, the Teton County Corner's 466 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 15: Office is following the following verdict in the manner of 467 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 15: death of Gabrielle Remora Patito. We find the cause and 468 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 15: manner of the cause death by strangulation and manner is homicide. 469 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: To investigate a reporter with w FLA TV joining me 470 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: right now, Massa's Society on the case from the very beginning. 471 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: Were you surprised at all with what the coroner said 472 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: strangulation death. 473 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 19: I mean, it has been just an absolutely heartbreaking day. 474 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 20: We know that the Potito family knew this was coming, 475 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 20: that officials were in. 476 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 7: Touch with them. 477 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 20: But as you said, we just learned from the Teton 478 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 20: County Corner that Gabby Petito was strangled. It's unclear if 479 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 20: it was manual or with an object. We also learned 480 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 20: that her body had been outside in the wilderness, likely 481 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 20: for three to four weeks before it was discovered. We 482 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 20: had no other information about her remains, as you mentioned 483 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 20: right off the top, Nancy, about any potential prior injuries, 484 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 20: if the body had been moved, none of that. The 485 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 20: Chutung County Corner doctor Brent Blue kept saying that his 486 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 20: job was only to determine the cause of death and 487 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 20: the manner of death. Reporters were peppering him with tons 488 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 20: of questions. Everyone was asking him about Brian Laundry, about 489 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 20: the potential suspect, and he kept saying that he could 490 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 20: reveal nothing about the success. But then he made a 491 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 20: statement that to me was stunning. He said, unfortunately, and 492 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 20: I'm quoting here, he said, this is only one of 493 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 20: many deaths around the country of people who are involved 494 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 20: and domestic violent. And when he said that, that just 495 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 20: struck me because he said he couldn't reveal anything about 496 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 20: the suspects. But then he made that statement to. 497 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: Doctor angel Arnold, psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta at 498 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: ANGELA Arnold. 499 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: MD dot com. What do you think we have finally 500 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: learned the cause of death? 501 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Not matter because she was strangled and I guarantee you 502 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: it was manual. 503 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: When I say manual v ligature, I mean ligature is with. 504 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: A pair of pantiose or stocking or a scar. Manual 505 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: is with your hands. 506 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: Yes, go ahead, dodger Nancy. 507 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 23: This is what I have been saying all along. True, 508 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 23: the domestic violence, the intimate partner violence that was going on. 509 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 23: He slapped her, that was the last thing we saw. 510 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: We have it on. 511 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 23: They have him admitting to that strangulation. Strangulation happens over time, Okay, 512 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 23: the violence becomes more severe. This is what was going 513 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 23: on in this situation. My thought is, I don't know, 514 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 23: maybe they had another altercation in the van. Y think 515 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 23: you think they got out of the. 516 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: Band Warden and he female warden that said, hey, you 517 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: need to rethink whether you want to go forward this guy. 518 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: It's toxic. Do you remember that, Cheryl? 519 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 13: I remember, And that's one of the things that makes 520 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 13: me so hartful. 521 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean, now you've got complete strangers coming up to 522 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 2: her and saying, hey, little girl, this is bad. You 523 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: need to get out of this. And now she's dead 524 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: by manual strangulation. 525 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 13: There's two things that happened in that instant. That female 526 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 13: officer saying to her, your relationship being toxic, and during 527 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 13: that event, right there on the side of the road, 528 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 13: her calling her parents. 529 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: Let's look back at that Moab August twelfth incident as 530 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: it's been being called. 531 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: When finally she revealed that Ryan Laundry grabbed her by 532 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: the face and I can just see. 533 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: That hand going down to her neck. I mean, can 534 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: anybody but me visualize this happening to her. I mean, 535 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: she's basically told us what happened. 536 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 13: And you know what Laundry said. Nancy Laundry said that 537 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 13: she lost her balance but was able to scratch his face, 538 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 13: just what we were talking about before. 539 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 23: So both of them some sent to give. 540 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 9: Us some of the clues that we're looking for now. 541 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 542 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: There was a legal challenge when the Potito family's wrongful 543 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: death case against Moa Police was thrown out of court, 544 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: but the Potito family would not give up and they 545 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: appealed that decision. Now their case is headed to the 546 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: Utah Supreme Court. Legalities aside. I will never forget Gabby Potito. 547 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: Her parents are amazing people. I spent time with them 548 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: recently and I was overwhelmed and how they are working 549 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: to change the world for the better. In a fifty 550 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit against the mo IPD, noting that before 551 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: she died, a police were called to a domestic violence 552 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: complaint involving the pair, Gabby's family insists responding officers did 553 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: not take the complaint seriously. The MOA Police insists that 554 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: Gabby Petito this waif weighs about one hundred and five 555 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: pounds versus Brian laundry approaching two hundred pounds, she was 556 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: the aggressor. 557 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: Did they miss every classic symptom. 558 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: Of battering, That she was abused, The denial, the hysterical crying, 559 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: the desire not to be separated, the taking the blame herself, 560 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: explaining away her own injuries, ignoring the nine one one 561 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: call that had just happened. For a witness outside, I 562 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: believe the Moonflower co Op cafe saw Brian Laundry hitting 563 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: her in the face on the street and. 564 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Ron daylight, and still even with. 565 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 2: That knowledge, called her the aggressor. Okay, you know what 566 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to is very 567 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: very disturbing to me. It's our cup four twenty eight. 568 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: It's Nate Carlile at Fox thirteen. 569 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 24: Here on what's labeled page two, the captain takes a 570 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 24: moment to ponder, would Gaby be alive today if this 571 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 24: case was handled differently? That is an impossible question to answer. 572 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 24: For his part, Pratt told the captain, who worried taking 573 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 24: Potito to jail would in Bold and Laundry. So if 574 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 24: he's going to go bail her out, is he not 575 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 24: going to have more control over her? 576 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: Now? 577 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 24: Pratt's quoted as saying, no, I've said it would adopt 578 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 24: the recommendations to improve training and add a domestic violence 579 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 24: specialist to oversee incidents investigated by its officers. 580 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: So they're still sticking with They're going down with the ship. 581 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: They were fee used to admit they screwed up they had, 582 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: they did nothing, and they let them go and now 583 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: she's dead. 584 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: Jump in dew. 585 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 22: When I used to teach domestic violence at police academies 586 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 22: in Florida, one of the things that's mandated, certainly in 587 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 22: Florida and is now mandated everywhere is to arrest one 588 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 22: of the parties. And there's even legislation that prohibits individuals 589 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 22: from suing the police if they arrest the wrong person. 590 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 22: So back at that time that this happened, they should 591 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 22: have arrested either one or both of these individuals and 592 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 22: that would have resolved the problem at least for the moment. 593 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: Tell me about the Moai police and the investigation by 594 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: the neighboring county. 595 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: I believe it was Price County. 596 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 12: Yeah, it was Price delicicing to the investigation. The Mohai 597 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 12: Police department is very small, and then the chief takeaways 598 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 12: from the investigation into their handling of the traffic stop 599 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 12: or the domestic violence stop was that these officers involved 600 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 12: need more training and they should go back on pro 601 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 12: And you know, if a's small department, they're probably not 602 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 12: trained as a lot of the big city departments were 603 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 12: used to dealing with. So they're saying hindsight is twenty twenty, 604 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 12: we had no idea that Brian was a killer. And 605 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 12: that's the point that they're sticking to. 606 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that. I agree with them on that. 607 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: But in this day and age, I mean, women are 608 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: beaten all across the world. It doesn't matter if you're 609 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: in a small town or a big city like New 610 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: York City. It doesn't matter if you dropped out of 611 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: school in the sixth grader, if you've got your PHID. 612 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you make two hundred thousand dollars 613 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: a year or you make thirty thousand dollars a year, 614 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: or if you have one child, no children, or six children. 615 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Women are abused, beaten, senseless across the board. 616 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: None of that socio economic distinctions, none of them matter period. 617 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: That has been proven statistically. So the fact that Moapple 618 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: it's a small jurisdiction, does that mean the women there 619 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: aren't getting beaten behind closed doors? 620 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: No, it does not. 621 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 2: And right there on the main street, Michael Luise, we 622 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: have a witness calling nine one one that Gabby is 623 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: getting beaten basically on main street in broad daylight. What 624 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 2: they couldn't check that out? And figure out this is Gabby. 625 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 22: Oh. 626 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 12: I spoke with quite a few experts on the legal side, 627 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 12: in the law enforcement side, and you know, they found 628 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 12: the report a little bit lacking. They thought the findings 629 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 12: might not have been as as severe as they could be. 630 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: Okay, let let us talk about what you just said, 631 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: Michael Ruise. Okay, okay, let me get to my notes. 632 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: I never saw any photos that they took of Gabby's 633 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: injury to her face. They mentioned it in their body cam, 634 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 2: but I didn't see any video, did you. 635 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 12: So they talked about them. Yeah, you're right, they talk 636 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 12: about him in the body camp, but there's no documentation 637 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 12: of them. 638 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: So they take pictures of Brian Laundry and his injury 639 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 2: but not Gabby is yes, no, right, Okay. Did they 640 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 2: contact the nine one one caller who reported the Brian 641 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: Laundry attack on Gabby? 642 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: Did they call him? Michael Ruiz? 643 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 12: So we found out from this report they went, they 644 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 12: circled back with one witness, but that witness was not 645 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 12: the nine one one caller. 646 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: So that would be a no. They did not contact 647 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: the nine one one. 648 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 12: Caller, not the one who said he saw the I 649 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 12: think the quote with I saw the gentleman slapping the lady, 650 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 12: is what the nine one one caller said. 651 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 2: Did they mention Gabby's injuries in their written report? 652 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 12: The best of my memory, I didn't see anything about it. 653 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: I heard is no, they did not. 654 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: Did they understand state law requirements for a claim of 655 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 2: domestic assault? 656 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: Michael Ruiz would. 657 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 12: I would think so, because Officer Pratt even said so 658 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 12: in his own body cam He said, you know, the 659 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 12: reason this law is on the books that we have 660 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 12: to arrest one is because down the line, someone's going 661 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 12: to get killed. 662 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 2: The domestic violence domestic assault law in that jurisdiction, it 663 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 2: seems like they had skimmed. 664 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: It but didn't really know what they were doing. 665 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: In fact, in the final findings, they stay the officers 666 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 2: misunderstood state law requirements for domestic assault. Did they ever 667 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 2: consider or write in their report that Brian Laundry could 668 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: be considered the potential suspect or was it always. 669 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 12: Gabby in the initial police report it was Gabby? In 670 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 12: the review from Price, the captain who wrote that report 671 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 12: said that there was evidence that Gabby was a long 672 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 12: term victim of domestic abuse. 673 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 2: So in the officer's initial report, at the moment they 674 00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 2: could have stopped Brian Laundry and maybe prevented Gabby's murder. 675 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 2: They never consider Brian Laundry as a potential suspect. 676 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 22: Is that correct? 677 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 12: From the initial reports? 678 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 22: That's how it seems. 679 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 2: Did they ever connect either of them with mental health 680 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 2: caregivers such as even a volunteer like me at the 681 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: Battered Women's Center it's a toll free number. I manned 682 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: the hotline for nine years. Did they ever do that? 683 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: Michael Ruis? 684 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 12: They did. They did bring Brian to a hotel through 685 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 12: a charity for domestic victims, that they checked them into 686 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 12: the hotel through that charity. But in the report from Price, 687 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 12: we see that they didn't connect them with professionals. They 688 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 12: didn't give them documentations. 689 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: So the answer would be no, would it not? I 690 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: guess not? 691 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 2: Dodger Bethany Marshall, What are the classic symptoms of a 692 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: domestic violence victim? 693 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I know that there are 694 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: some men that are battered and abused, but they are 695 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: about one and a half percent the entire partner battering universe. 696 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 2: So let's just get real. Women are the victims. What 697 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: are the symptoms that Gabby Patito displayed doctor Bethany. 698 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 10: Well, everything she displayed, I mean, protecting the abuser, minimizing 699 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 10: the harm done for her self, blame not tailor telling 700 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 10: a cohesive history about what had been done to her. 701 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 10: The fact is that she owns her part in the 702 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 10: in the things in the conflict. She says she's punched 703 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 10: them in the arm, but she minimizes that she punched 704 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 10: him in the arm because she was so frustrated and 705 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 10: he was driving erratically. 706 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 2: He was taking her van and her cell phone. 707 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 10: Exactly, and that you you put it more beautifully that 708 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 10: I was trying to collect my thoughts on I know 709 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 10: he had taken the van. I know he had taken 710 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 10: the cell phone. Well, that was That would be the 711 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 10: final sign, Nile. 712 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 2: That she as a domestic violence victim. Her injuries, the 713 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: fact that she tried to minimize, as you said, doctor Bethany, 714 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: the damage to her. 715 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on and on. 716 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 2: The classic signs that she is a domestic violence and victim. 717 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 2: Saying would it have stopped Gabby's murder is like reading 718 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 2: the teelus. 719 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: But I know this, that would have been a much 720 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: better chance that. 721 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 2: She survived if she had gotten batter women's counseling, even 722 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 2: over the phone with a volunteer at the shelter, even 723 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 2: that could have saved her life. But the officers to 724 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 2: make themselves feel better, I guess, keep saying, well, you know, 725 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 2: we don't think it would have made a difference. Really, Well, 726 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: you'll never know because you screwed it up. Take a 727 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 2: listen to our cup four two seven eight Carlile Fox thirteen. 728 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 21: If I had any discretion of this, I would separate 729 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 21: you guys from the day and just give you warnings 730 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 21: we stopped at each other. 731 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 22: Well, I lawfully don't. 732 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 20: Have discretion here. 733 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 24: You veteran moeb police officer Eric Pratt and the new 734 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 24: officer he was trained by Daniel Robbins dead let Gabby 735 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 24: Battito and Brian Laundry go. The report maya Price, Utah 736 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 24: police captain says that by law, Patito should have been 737 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 24: cited or arrested once officers determined she was the aggressor. 738 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 24: The captain sustained or confirmed multiple complaints where Prad and 739 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 24: Robbins failed to follow the law and moabs own policies, 740 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 24: including failing to obtain witness statements and properly documenting the 741 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 24: roadside investigation. 742 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: So give me your finals. 743 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 22: Go ahead, Dell, there's a fifty percent reduction in homicides 744 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 22: in domestic violence stations if one of the parties is arrested. 745 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 22: That's the statistic that led to all this legislation. 746 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: Bethany and I. 747 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 10: Would say, if one of the classic signs of abuse 748 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 10: is leaving the woman alone in a deserted place without resources, 749 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 10: then all three men abused her. 750 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: In the last hours, a judge has ruled in the 751 00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: favor of MOAP Police Department. Listen, I'm from LA law enforcement. 752 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 2: I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However, 753 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 2: what happened that day was wrong. Gabby's case will never 754 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: be forgotten. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, 755 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: goodbye friend.