Speaker 1: Court Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic
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Speaker 1: Welcome to part two of our Jesse Johnson review.
Speaker 2: No pun attended.
Speaker 3: This is QLs.
Speaker 1: Classic from August eighth, twenty eighteen, Part two of our
Speaker 1: interview with Jesse Johnson on Course Love Supreme.
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy.
Speaker 4: Previously on Court Love Supreme, we talked to the great
Speaker 4: Jesse Johnson about his beginnings in Rock Island, Illinois, music
Speaker 4: scene in Davenport, Iowa, of all places, and arriving in
Speaker 4: Minneapolis as the Formation of the Time was just starting.
Speaker 3: We also talked.
Speaker 1: About who fights and vanity, and also we might have
Speaker 1: a surprise guest by the name of Angership as Popin
Speaker 1: First Boss Bill has a question that may be familiar
Speaker 1: to those who heard the Jimmy jam Miner.
Speaker 2: Here it is.
Speaker 3: I got a question. Yes, who broke the titty lamp?
Speaker 2: Oh God, I glued I know, I glued the ship.
Speaker 2: I glued the ship. The juice glued that and one
Speaker 2: day and arm deep in the juice machine. We didn't
Speaker 2: suck that up too. And that dude that owned that
Speaker 2: was mister weaver. He was no joke and his brother
Speaker 2: had clogs on. You remember him shoes clogs and so
Speaker 2: when you a brother straight and you wearing clogs, you
Speaker 2: really are no nonsense kind of. But we were like
Speaker 2: we were moving something a table and the teddy lamp
Speaker 2: fell on.
Speaker 5: For anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about, go
Speaker 5: back and listen to the jet one of the seven
Speaker 5: hours of the Jimmy jim.
Speaker 1: The first the first two hours I was there, I forgot,
Speaker 1: brought me way back.
Speaker 3: We got.
Speaker 2: I came with some Elmer's glue man and had that
Speaker 2: ship rigged up, and that dude still knew it. He
Speaker 2: man who broke the titty lap.
Speaker 6: I was like, what what are.
Speaker 2: You talking about? We glued. I glued that ship so
Speaker 2: well that you know when you have fine pieces and
Speaker 2: still fit. And he somehow still saw that shit. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just need to know who broke the titty. Like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: ease up to my car right about fighting. No old
Speaker 2: dude in here.
Speaker 1: They used to shooting and choking people. Well, since we're
Speaker 1: asking who. Eventually, let Prince know what jam and Lewis
Speaker 1: were really doing in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think he knew. I don't think
Speaker 2: he knew for a long time. But something about them
Speaker 2: missing that because the next day we were in San Antonio.
Speaker 3: But I thought they got away with it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, they they were in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: And it's weird, hard work because it hadn't snowed during
Speaker 2: fifty years, literally fifty years, and we were in here.
Speaker 2: We're here in New York. We were here in New York,
Speaker 2: and we played the place Radio City. Yeah, radio what
Speaker 2: was the place before Radio City? Where no where? The
Speaker 2: stage was real short because the first time we played it,
Speaker 2: David Boy tell of everybody was in Frank Zappa, Grace Jones,
Speaker 2: it was God, it was before the it was before
Speaker 2: Radio Ladium maybe, yeah, ladium, that's what. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it might have been that place. But I but I
Speaker 2: think what you but shore you're talking about was it
Speaker 2: played him because he kicked us off of a lot
Speaker 2: of the major kicked us off of New York Radio City.
Speaker 2: He kicked us off of the l a day. And
Speaker 2: I never knew until you get there. You get there
Speaker 2: for sound checking out and yeah, y'all ain't on this,
Speaker 2: but we're playing behind the curtain for I'm like, it
Speaker 2: just bought a bit. Yeah, I said, just heartbreaking because
Speaker 2: you never played those places and so your whole dream
Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, you would, and so it would
Speaker 2: just break my heart for me. It was just like
Speaker 2: like like it was one time for the Vanity six
Speaker 2: year in La I didn't show up to half the set.
Speaker 2: I did like the brother on a David Letterman, you know,
Speaker 2: showed me gone and he came on there with no
Speaker 2: shoes on the middle of it. I was doing now like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I ain't even trying to be here for that fuck
Speaker 2: around kill somebody or but yeah he was.
Speaker 1: When when you left, officially, I guess at one point
Speaker 1: you were deciding whether or not to No, I never
Speaker 1: know when I left. I left, so there wasn't an increation.
Speaker 1: There was no before you left the Reserve. You need
Speaker 1: to talk of you taking over for Morris in the time.
Speaker 2: Never never never, because the time was his thing, it
Speaker 2: was his baby, it was his I respected that one thing.
Speaker 2: I to this day, He'll tell you, I have major
Speaker 2: respect for hierarchy. I don't like when I'm with d
Speaker 2: I'm when I'm a D, I'm D's guitar player, and
Speaker 2: D's my boss, and so there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that have made If I don't agree with something, but
Speaker 2: because he's my boss, when we're on tour, I don't
Speaker 2: say anything. But when we're home, there's been plenty of
Speaker 2: times when I call him the fucker you can fire me.
Speaker 2: I'm at home now, blah blah blah. But you know,
Speaker 2: he he but I respect him greatly. It's his thing.
Speaker 2: And I never step on anybody's toes during that thing.
Speaker 5: After Jimmy and Terry and Monty left, What did it
Speaker 5: feel like for you have to take over the leads
Speaker 5: for rehearsals like.
Speaker 2: I always you were always yes, I was always kind
Speaker 2: of in that when Morris wasn't around. He I was
Speaker 2: like the guy that he didn't have to come to
Speaker 2: rehearsals if he knew what I did, so how arrangements
Speaker 2: he wanted to add or whatever or not. I was
Speaker 2: the guy that I hired all the other new people
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah blah. I was like really
Speaker 2: kind of that that thing. And I was never officially
Speaker 2: the guy that runs this and I was never that
Speaker 2: never had that title.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you're rehearsing though, and each album is
Speaker 1: six songs each, like, I mean, at what point are
Speaker 1: you just doing the stuff it's just add nausea, You're not.
Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was something that worked. It
Speaker 2: was it was kind of a busy work plan, but
Speaker 2: it worked against the boss because it was a busy
Speaker 2: work plan. To hear. You know, I didn't know it's busy,
Speaker 2: but you guys got making it sixty dollars a week
Speaker 2: for the longest and so but we ended up getting
Speaker 2: because you know, when you go on stage like that,
Speaker 2: you're you're not only good, but you're pissed. You don't
Speaker 2: want to It's just like when a fighter says a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff about it. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw that last Triple G fight this past weekend
Speaker 2: and I got hit him good one time and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: you got to really and then he came back and
Speaker 2: beat that guy like he owe the money or something.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like when we would people see
Speaker 2: it say, y'all.
Speaker 6: Man, y'all were amazing, and y'all man, y'all attitude.
Speaker 2: They don't know long this was mad for real, and
Speaker 2: it was the one way and time where you could
Speaker 2: get it out and it wasn't but it was like
Speaker 2: he was out there playing ship through grit teeth and
Speaker 2: meaning it.
Speaker 3: How did it feel when he publicly said that The
Speaker 3: Time was the only band he was ever afraid of?
Speaker 2: You know, honestly, it didn't mean shit to me. It's
Speaker 2: just like when people just like when all this stuff
Speaker 2: comes out now where he says all this great stuff
Speaker 2: about me, you know, it's just like it's like a
Speaker 2: child talking about a parent that passed away. It's like,
Speaker 2: why couldn't you say that to me when you're here?
Speaker 2: You know, when I'm here you're talking. Why couldn't you say, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's you know, Jesse's amazing guitarist. And he couldn't say
Speaker 2: that to me? And I got one compliment.
Speaker 3: For E to say? Did he ever compliment?
Speaker 2: One time? Partly because it was when I dropped crazy
Speaker 2: And if y'all don't even notice, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you go back and listen to Housequake. That's why
Speaker 2: he went and cut house with you here crazy in there?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay? That my next question?
Speaker 2: Yes, you called me this is tramps. This is tramps.
Speaker 2: I mean and Prince would go out and we're not drinkers,
Speaker 2: so we would we where we we we we have
Speaker 2: like a kind of a punk drink, like we would
Speaker 2: get a clue and cream be more cream because we
Speaker 2: don't drink.
Speaker 7: So so that ship we would be Disney. We would
Speaker 7: be dizzy as hell off of that, like we would
Speaker 7: drink five you know, like you know, drunk off.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I turned him onto. I said, you
Speaker 2: never heard of this, and y'all gonna laugh when I
Speaker 2: tell you what. But it's like Prince, he's a multi millionaire,
Speaker 2: but he got a cabinet for Astin's Bumonti because that's
Speaker 2: for people that don't drink. Because it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: y'all drink that ship real drink and sink that they
Speaker 2: head hurting because of sugar content. But we didn't drink
Speaker 2: like you. We didn't drink like Mors could drink. But
Speaker 2: you know, Morris wanted to fight everybody up in the
Speaker 2: mon one beer. He didn't really drink, you know, So
Speaker 2: so he's just like I just love to this day
Speaker 2: he like my cousin. No, it is like major love
Speaker 2: between Morris and I because that was the three amigos
Speaker 2: right there, Morris, Prince and I. It's like you, it
Speaker 2: was you. You saw one, you saw the three of us.
Speaker 2: There was a period where you never saw and there
Speaker 2: was other reasons, personal reasons where it was just ended
Speaker 2: up being just printing eye all the time.
Speaker 3: But wait, are you on tricky? Is it you on tricky? Laughing? No? No,
Speaker 3: I hear three people though.
Speaker 2: That's just overdubbing. But I ain't. Oh okay, I thought
Speaker 2: you were there. I love the songs because the two
Speaker 2: of That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'll talk
Speaker 2: to you about after this, about the things that are
Speaker 2: coming up. But you go, you want to grab these
Speaker 2: there's some marking my line to them. He there's yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I did twenty seven hours, twenty thirty two
Speaker 2: hours of music that you never heard before, and on cassettes,
Speaker 2: what remastered of not. But I'm just trying to tell
Speaker 2: you there's the whole entire for you album right right.
Speaker 2: But the demo I played a little bit of effort
Speaker 2: D on the phone. You almost died, I said, you
Speaker 2: because what you hear like, I don't want people like
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to go a market and people just, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, go to some collector and they buy it.
Speaker 2: And it's just that it's like if you hear say,
Speaker 2: for instance, I want to be your lover, the genius,
Speaker 2: but it's all with a rhythm ace hole out wow,
Speaker 2: and then you hear sexy dancer, you hear sexy dancer
Speaker 2: and it's sexy dancer is uh, but the rhythmce goes
Speaker 2: boom god d b B. The fact that he heard
Speaker 2: all of that ship and I when I went into
Speaker 2: the studio with him, I would ask him, how did
Speaker 2: you do all those drums? And then he would show
Speaker 2: me how he did the drums and he would have
Speaker 2: the machine played double time, so the machine he's going
Speaker 2: take then he's a exactly And I just was like
Speaker 2: wondering how he got the drums so super tight like
Speaker 2: that and he And so when I hear people go
Speaker 2: I played everything, I'm like, you didn't play everything. You
Speaker 2: sequence some ship and turn on you do what I'm saying, No,
Speaker 2: but you got it. I'm just telling you. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: marry you hear this, it's it's it changes you because
Speaker 2: you hear the genius. They hear like, because I have
Speaker 2: stuff like that, of Hendrix, Dylan, everybody that I own,
Speaker 2: because everybody that I admire, I want to see what
Speaker 2: they were, how they got there, or were they because
Speaker 2: one of the most one of the only people that
Speaker 2: walks the planet Earth that was one of the most
Speaker 2: perfect writers out of the gate was Curtis Mayfield. The
Speaker 2: first thing he ever did, going back to Jerry Butler, Oh,
Speaker 2: this shit was immaculate. And then all of that impression
Speaker 2: stuff that's you don't they don't, they don't make that
Speaker 2: to be that is And so I'm I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was like that or not. But when I
Speaker 2: first like, there's four or five versions ahead before he
Speaker 2: got to the one that's like the one, and so
Speaker 2: when you hear it, you go, this is w this
Speaker 2: is but and then the same thing with do Me Baby.
Speaker 2: There's like three or four versions before he finally got
Speaker 2: and I mean, the drums are different, the beat is different,
Speaker 2: the ten. When he finally got to the one, it's
Speaker 2: like and then there's a version of get it Up,
Speaker 2: No Guitar that when the guitar solo happens to hear
Speaker 2: what he actually does on the bass, fucking mind blowing man,
Speaker 2: and it's like dude was no joke on the keys Man.
Speaker 2: But you know that's why I'm always telling D. I'm like, Dude,
Speaker 2: when I put you up there, I'm putting you up there.
Speaker 2: And I've been around some really talented people, and so
Speaker 2: when I tell D he try to tell him you
Speaker 2: ain't no running the meal Man.
Speaker 8: Because how did he even get you? Like how because
Speaker 8: it's not like you could just call up just D.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have this. It's really freaky how this happened.
Speaker 2: Because I always said to myself, I'd only played for
Speaker 2: two people. I only play with two people in the world,
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson because of he fucking Michael Jackson, D because
Speaker 2: they're the album they did to this day. Sonically, you
Speaker 2: never heard acoustic. You never heard a kick drama and
Speaker 2: a snare sound like that ever on any record ever now.
Speaker 2: I mean people might do it now, but it was
Speaker 2: that record that you heard a four string bass that low,
Speaker 2: You heard a kick drama with that much bottom of
Speaker 2: you know, a real kick drum. And I try to
Speaker 2: tell tell D the Angel all the time how revolutionary
Speaker 2: that album was sonically, not just musically, but sonically. You
Speaker 2: know the sonny you come in real and I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're playing light or they're fading, but it's
Speaker 2: just like man running. I can run off the roll
Speaker 2: off a cliff listening to that because it's that hypnotic.
Speaker 2: But people don't understand it's not just the vy. These
Speaker 2: cats are bad quests on his game Pino D. It's sonically,
Speaker 2: it's it's not of this earth. It's like and and
Speaker 2: to think it's real instruments and nobody had ever heard.
Speaker 5: Of I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but listening to
Speaker 5: verbal penetration that your last that was the last time.
Speaker 5: So I'm not crazy in hearing like a voodoo influence
Speaker 5: all over that.
Speaker 2: You you could say that or say not, but but
Speaker 2: as a blues player you play behind all the time.
Speaker 2: But what I don't know is when I did, like
Speaker 2: say if I did, when I did be your man
Speaker 2: and I delivered it, be your man is like but
Speaker 2: if Quest was playing and I'd be behind him, but
Speaker 2: la cats would be like man, that's not you know,
Speaker 2: because a lot of is a discreption. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a discrepancy in the beat Leonard Albert Kravitz discrepancy. But
Speaker 2: what people don't know is when voodoo came out, a
Speaker 2: lot of people didn't and I tried to tell d
Speaker 2: I said, see you on all of the Marvin Gaye
Speaker 2: stuff and that, this and that. But what you don't
Speaker 2: know when what's the album with the leather? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Look at the reviews, Go back and look at the reviews.
Speaker 2: What happened that people were like, who what is this?
Speaker 2: What happened? But people make it sound like they had
Speaker 2: open arms, And was like, so when you do music
Speaker 2: that people don't get? The albums are albums that constantly
Speaker 2: do this over a period of time. And I kept
Speaker 2: and I've always told D'Angelo, we make music they ain't
Speaker 2: on the trend. So we're doing shit that's ahead all
Speaker 2: the time of what everybody's thinking. We're bored with that.
Speaker 2: So we're trying to do something that it's not so
Speaker 2: much ahead or but just isn't on a trend. It's
Speaker 2: just something we're pulling out of the sky. Something that
Speaker 2: you know, uh, that's you got your influences in it,
Speaker 2: but it's not what anybody knows. But it's on another level.
Speaker 2: And I think musicianship wise, what they did on Voodoo Requests,
Speaker 2: d you know, what they did on Voodoo was so
Speaker 2: that only I remember riding in the car with John McClain.
Speaker 2: He had just did the deal with the what's the
Speaker 2: girls say? Yes, he just did all of that stuff
Speaker 2: because that was all a lot of hitting beach right. So
Speaker 2: he was playing me that stuff all day. He was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: We're riding around for eight hours in the car around LA.
Speaker 2: He's playing me all this different stuff and I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: that's cool. Check this out. And I put in voodoo
Speaker 2: and he's like you like that, Like, man, this is
Speaker 2: you know, because you know what that was. That was
Speaker 2: D's there's a riot going on because there's a riote
Speaker 2: going on with slies. Fuck you to the music industry,
Speaker 2: which I don't know about. There's a riot going on.
Speaker 2: When he delivered it, he was the two biggest artists
Speaker 2: on Epic at the time. On the black side was Sly,
Speaker 2: the white side was Johnny Winter. When he delivered there's
Speaker 2: a ride going on. The record companies like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: What is this bullshit? This is garbage?
Speaker 3: Dah da da da.
Speaker 2: So it was one of those records that captured what
Speaker 2: was going on at the time, but it didn't just
Speaker 2: capture verbally. It captured the vibe, the burning.
Speaker 3: The heat, the.
Speaker 2: Tension, and Voodoo did the same thing.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Can I can I assume.
Speaker 9: He's not a good receiver of complimens.
Speaker 3: It's not me because.
Speaker 1: Twice I met Sly and you know he's going so
Speaker 1: I know, I can't get the answer I went out
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 3: But assuming that during.
Speaker 1: The Shachadelica period that you spoke to him about Riot
Speaker 1: and his recollection.
Speaker 3: Is there, what was what was just his mind state
Speaker 3: to making.
Speaker 2: That record, throwing everybody out the studio and just doing
Speaker 2: He he was at the record plane in Salcelito, and
Speaker 2: he was there so much. They made him. They took
Speaker 2: the one of the rooms and they made him a
Speaker 2: bed in it and it was a big old mouth
Speaker 2: and the mattress was the tongue and they had a
Speaker 2: they had you know, the mic thing on the wall
Speaker 2: that plugs in that thing. Yeah, was in the bed.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the vocals he's doing and he
Speaker 2: laying down, so just like he's never ever done a
Speaker 2: vocal and a headphone. So d D not knowing that
Speaker 2: does the same thing. You know, d don't wear cans.
Speaker 2: He has to have them speakers and he and he
Speaker 2: didn't know that Marvin Gaye did that. Marvin, we you'd
Speaker 2: walk in the studio like Leon Silvers talks about walking
Speaker 2: in the studio and hey, Marvin and Marl Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: sitting at the border going hey. But the old consoles
Speaker 2: had where you can knock one of the speakers out
Speaker 2: of face, so they wouldn't they wouldn't come in and
Speaker 2: Marvin would be sitting there and Marvin, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't see no handwritten Marvin lyrics around because he he
Speaker 2: never wrote anything down. Same thing with James, same thing
Speaker 2: with sly It was all up here. So he and
Speaker 2: so Slye. It was just on that straight, just crazy
Speaker 2: genius shit. And he really didn't need his family or
Speaker 2: anybody on a record. It's like, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people that did they do that, but I
Speaker 2: was playing Mark never released you know, the these Summertime thing,
Speaker 2: which is a beast and he's like and any and
Speaker 2: he's for one person will always go look my basse,
Speaker 2: pa like he'll put somebody onse on bab and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: he's killing the bass. But going back to your question,
Speaker 2: it's more of a Curtis Mayfield thing. My my thing
Speaker 2: is Curtis May Eddie Kendricks, and I'm like, it's not
Speaker 2: like uh D and Prince were into like the stylistics.
Speaker 2: But D's a real He's a real uh Eddie Kendricks
Speaker 2: fanatic too. That's why he's got the bigger falsettobo where
Speaker 2: Prince was really into that. Dude said, that's you buy
Speaker 2: ally whoever that.
Speaker 5: I never really heard you use your falsetto much until
Speaker 5: verbal penetration.
Speaker 2: That's because I wrote all the A lot of the
Speaker 2: music I didn't write for me. I wrote for another
Speaker 2: guy that was supposed to sing it, and then he
Speaker 2: passed away when it was time to do this stuff,
Speaker 2: so I didn't. I kind of wanted to step away
Speaker 2: from the mic and just play and not be straddled
Speaker 2: with all that. I really enjoy it more when it's
Speaker 2: a rock rock thing, but I know the R and
Speaker 2: B stuff. But I just like sometimes it's like to
Speaker 2: just like even being in D's band, it's just like
Speaker 2: not nice to just the other thing we did today
Speaker 2: with Chromeo. Uh just nice to just play guitar, not
Speaker 2: be Oh, give me a mic. I got a da
Speaker 2: da da da. I don't never want a mic. I
Speaker 2: just kind of have them put one on me and
Speaker 2: we're on TV, so you get paid more. But I
Speaker 2: don't want that shit.
Speaker 3: I want to jump back again. I'm sorry for you. Good.
Speaker 5: Do you remember the nineteen eighty four Minnesota Black Music Awards.
Speaker 2: For me with me Plan?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was a time.
Speaker 2: It was a time a time.
Speaker 5: I think somebody told me that you were supposed to
Speaker 5: be singing lead on the on Jungle Love.
Speaker 3: I guess Morris had already left the group or whatever.
Speaker 5: No, no, but then Prince ran out on stage and
Speaker 5: did leads for the entire set.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. I think that's a rumor, okay,
Speaker 2: because I ain't never remember that shit. He didn't do
Speaker 2: that that I know. But Jungle of No he if
Speaker 2: you ever hear his version, I mean it was the
Speaker 2: same song, but if you're here, his vocal, he put
Speaker 2: his foot in it, and Morris did a great job.
Speaker 2: But Prince, if you heard, Prince wrote that melody and
Speaker 2: the lyrics not. But it's just the whole twist. He
Speaker 2: dude could sing when he wanted to. And if you
Speaker 2: ever heard that, I was was always hoping because I
Speaker 2: don't I had that on a cassette and that froze
Speaker 2: up like you know, A Land nine thousand a long
Speaker 2: time ago, and so you know, I don't have a
Speaker 2: copy of that.
Speaker 3: Oh there's a rapid fire, because yeah, we got to
Speaker 3: stop eventually. Was there ever talk of the time going
Speaker 3: on tour, on the Purple Raine tour?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no no. But that's what's really sad.
Speaker 2: We I just originally talked to my manager about that.
Speaker 2: We we we never reaped the Purple Raine thing. And
Speaker 2: because we were supposed to go on tour, and when
Speaker 2: I signed my record deal, very few, if anybody, only
Speaker 2: John McClean knows, and to know this in Prince, But
Speaker 2: when I signed the A and M Records, I signed
Speaker 2: the deal, but I wasn't I didn't have to do
Speaker 2: a record for a year because I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go. Yeah, I wanted to go. And it was
Speaker 2: gonna be our first time out without Prince. As was
Speaker 2: to be on our own merit and you guys are
Speaker 2: going to do your own thing. Yeah, well that was
Speaker 2: that was the whole thing. We were never ever ever planning. Prince,
Speaker 2: was you kidding me? Prince was so sick of us
Speaker 2: putting our foot in his ass after the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: nine tour. He wasn't taking us in a back yard.
Speaker 5: I figured because the Purple Range to itself is like
Speaker 5: basically the movie. So I figured, you know, why wasn't
Speaker 5: Appolonia six there and why wasn't the time there?
Speaker 2: And it would have been because there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: bullshit all connected with that ship, and I get tired
Speaker 2: of listening to people lives and about it. First of all,
Speaker 2: the first Shila album was Vanity six is album, and
Speaker 2: Vanity kept saying I'm not going to be there. I'm
Speaker 2: not doing you know, she kept saying, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: Purple Rain. She was before she moved on Minneapolis, and
Speaker 2: he just thought she was joking. She wouldn't fucking jo.
Speaker 3: That's why all the songs were done by the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and Chilo showed up to do some sessions stuff,
Speaker 2: and then and then some of the songs from the
Speaker 2: Vanity sixth album that album went to like the Mannic
Speaker 2: Monday that was a Vanity six It was like I
Speaker 2: was there for all of that stuff. I was there
Speaker 2: recording and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So that second time would have yeah, it would have
Speaker 3: had like Vibrator and.
Speaker 2: No whatever the Chile, the Glamorous Life that was Vanity's record, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody trying to tell me. I
Speaker 2: was there cutting it. I was there cutting the sugar
Speaker 2: walls and all that ship when she and Easton came
Speaker 2: in and blah blah blah, oh sh I was there
Speaker 2: for all of that ship. I was. I was there
Speaker 2: for though, just it was really just Prince and I
Speaker 2: because Morris had like ducked out then, so so all
Speaker 2: of that stuff was and we were. He was still
Speaker 2: going back and forth trying to get Denise to do that,
Speaker 2: and she was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And
Speaker 2: that's how she ended up being Vanity because he would
Speaker 2: never let her use the name Vanity six, and her lawyer,
Speaker 2: I forget his name, Abe something, but he knew a shit.
Speaker 2: He said, we don't have to use Vanity six. We
Speaker 2: used Vanity, and that's how she got to still be
Speaker 2: van Uh.
Speaker 1: The Tomorrow Maringie Cox project, The Tomorrow and the Scene album.
Speaker 1: Do you have any disappointment that didn't blow up even more?
Speaker 1: Or was it across.
Speaker 2: The boards mash No? No, because that I was just
Speaker 2: telling telling Bill earlier that that everybody danced It is
Speaker 2: one of the best sounding records I've ever made. It's
Speaker 2: like it was mastered here at by George Marino. Got
Speaker 2: what studio would, wouldn't I want to say, sterling sound?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sterling? Yeah he did. He mastered that, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I never could get that sound again. But it was
Speaker 2: like something I kind of did, like, you know, like
Speaker 2: not really thinking that much about it. And then when
Speaker 2: it came out here and he mastered it because I
Speaker 2: never really go to masterings. I just let him do
Speaker 2: that thing, and and he was mastered out here, and
Speaker 2: I remember getting back the acetate of the toelesions, like, God,
Speaker 2: this sh it is on fire when it comes on
Speaker 2: You're not here, but I could never but no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you know what it.
Speaker 3: Was the bottle.
Speaker 2: I think the big thing, the biggest thing to turn
Speaker 2: me off is she didn't want it. Damn she didn't
Speaker 2: want it. So when you don't want it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do? If you don't want it,
Speaker 2: then I didn't I'd have did records on you and
Speaker 2: I had, And so the what was I think Blueberry
Speaker 2: Gossip might have been the second round. I did a
Speaker 2: lot of those tracks, but I didn't do any of
Speaker 2: them stupid ass lyrics. I didn't do none of that.
Speaker 2: I just did the tracks. But so that song Blueberry
Speaker 2: Gossip and all that stuff, that's all me, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the tracks are all me but lyrics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: her and the Southern Cat David Cochrane finished all the record.
Speaker 2: I wasn't on any of that. I was like on
Speaker 2: tour at the time, and I wasn't even investing in
Speaker 2: any of my time in it.
Speaker 5: No more say I made you sign that one. Then
Speaker 5: I said, I'm sorry I made you sign that record then.
Speaker 2: Because I I love that means on Blueberry Gossip it's humping.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what the hell blueberry gossip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that out, Jesse.
Speaker 1: Okay, since at the bottom of the barrel, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out everything. But I gotta know you opened for
Speaker 1: Luther Vandross. I believe on the Night fl and Love tour.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember because all my aunts were to
Speaker 1: that show. Luther is world famous for micromanaging his opening acts.
Speaker 2: Let me explain some to you. Just talking, I was
Speaker 2: talking about that one of the most beautiful human beings
Speaker 2: ever walked the planet. And let me let me tell you, seriously,
Speaker 2: let me tell you, let me tell you about Luther.
Speaker 2: So Luther, he brought me on and I'm in the
Speaker 2: middle slot and he was so accommodating, so absolutely just
Speaker 2: wonderful and being that because my shit is louder and
Speaker 2: they their stuff is more stereo. His his band was
Speaker 2: a may you know how ridiculous his band, so it
Speaker 2: was like shade. It sounded like a giant stereo. It's
Speaker 2: just amazing. But my stuff was a little bit more raunching.
Speaker 2: But he upgraded the monitoring system so that I would
Speaker 2: be He really wanted me on that tour with him,
Speaker 2: but his audience for the most part. Once we did
Speaker 2: a week spectrum, right, it is no longer there. We
Speaker 2: did a week at that's the one year. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: one we did a week there was us. It was
Speaker 2: Luther headlining, me in the middle ready for the world
Speaker 2: and ready for the world, a lot of ready for
Speaker 2: the world stuff. People were kind of a thrown back
Speaker 2: by them because they a lot of people thought that
Speaker 2: was prevent or me and so when they would open,
Speaker 2: they would just get like, no, Love and and Philly
Speaker 2: was death on them when they were open. This is
Speaker 2: a spectrum, this is sold out the hits, but people listen,
Speaker 2: you never want your life they were, but you never
Speaker 2: want your music to be bigger than you, because if
Speaker 2: your music's bigger than you in the beginning, then your
Speaker 2: music it's just a lot of shit. Like people would
Speaker 2: would tell my girlfriend all the time, oh, like she'd
Speaker 2: pick up my mail and they go, oh, ye're Sheila.
Speaker 6: Oh he wrote, oh Sheila about.
Speaker 2: You and they said that they would to this day.
Speaker 2: That's not me. And I remember being at home on
Speaker 2: a break on tour and hearing that whatever that beat
Speaker 2: was for that and thought it was me. I thought
Speaker 2: it was like a remix, I swear to God, for
Speaker 2: you know, when you have that half a second thing,
Speaker 2: you go, that's a remix of it, and then and
Speaker 2: then that the music and you know like that ain't
Speaker 2: you know? But it was like, how.
Speaker 3: Did you guys feel about? I mean, because coming.
Speaker 2: Out Melvin singer, Yeah he was. I was always really encouraging, said,
Speaker 2: don't let these folks get you down. You just got
Speaker 2: to keep pushing because trust me, I was because once
Speaker 2: we left they loved me. Philly and your time. They
Speaker 2: loved us, they loved me, They showed me a lot.
Speaker 2: That's why Luther was like, But we went to Baltimore next,
Speaker 2: motherfuckers was wooden Statue.
Speaker 3: It was buppies.
Speaker 2: You know, that was a whole bumpy Luther drew like
Speaker 2: and that's what he was trying to get away from
Speaker 2: because we don't understand that Luther was so amazing as
Speaker 2: an artist. He's one of the few black artists that
Speaker 2: went platinum every time, just on the black charts every time.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that you guys were there for the edge.
Speaker 2: To bring a different audience in, to bring in a
Speaker 2: younger audiences. But that's why we murdered because he did
Speaker 2: some ship in Philly I ever seen before my life Philly.
Speaker 2: That that week was the most amazing. I was in
Speaker 2: the dressing room, sitting there, uh, sitting there getting dressed
Speaker 2: or something. I was sitting in and my back is
Speaker 2: to the door, and I'm sitting in front of the
Speaker 2: mirror and I hear you and my town I motherfucking yay, mister,
Speaker 2: And I look up and it's doctor j and you know,
Speaker 2: and that's that's like, you know, that's fantasy ship for
Speaker 2: us and our air and so for So that was
Speaker 2: one thing. The other thing is that Luther was he
Speaker 2: was a prankster, and so Luther would do always play
Speaker 2: jokes and ship like you. You'd walk in the door
Speaker 2: like he He'd be in a dressing room few doors down.
Speaker 2: And I remember walking in one time and the lights
Speaker 2: were off, and I turned the lights on as a
Speaker 2: mannequin with fucked up mask and ship on. You know,
Speaker 2: your ship drop motherfuckers and drop glasses, and you hear
Speaker 2: Luther crying. But I heard that when he's he was
Speaker 2: on tour with other female artists that he would But
Speaker 2: let me do before you jump to that, this is
Speaker 2: what it was. I my belief. That's a singing. So
Speaker 2: when you're famous for being a singer and you ain't
Speaker 2: really a singer, singer, you did what I'm saying. You
Speaker 2: know how we snooty with that ship. It's like you go, oh,
Speaker 2: come and jam, oh, jam with you all day? Who
Speaker 2: else is playing?
Speaker 3: Oh? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't gonna beat it because you you. I
Speaker 2: just can't play with anybody. I just can't. I can't
Speaker 2: do it like you can't. Rehearsal and twenty twelve. I
Speaker 2: played and jammed at rehearsal, and I was just like
Speaker 2: I was, you know, from the Voodoo record. And so
Speaker 2: we finally met and I'm trying to compliment him. He
Speaker 2: walking the door, he's trying to compliment me. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to compliment, But I was really meant that he's id.
Speaker 2: I just think he's one of the dopest cats around
Speaker 2: and he and it's a mentality in a movement. Oh no,
Speaker 2: he really. Where you really know he a bad cat
Speaker 2: is when you watch that. It was a Dave Chappelle thing.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker is the main stay. He's up. That's when I
Speaker 2: really knew how bad he was because he's up there.
Speaker 2: Everybody else is shifting, everybody's bringing, but he's standing there
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you everything. They throwing it and he
Speaker 2: pulling it out and he's not pulling uh back, killing it.
Speaker 2: And that's when I knew it was bad. Even this
Speaker 2: is after the Voodoo, right just after Voodoo, but I
Speaker 2: knew That's what I knew. You know, when people you
Speaker 2: kind of see them cut their teen, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like when you probably he's like, oh, Jesse's he ain't
Speaker 2: did an autu and such and such, so let me
Speaker 2: listen to verbal and then and I kept telling people, no,
Speaker 2: I need to. I was like working with other you know,
Speaker 2: guitar instructors of a cat named Mark Hammond that wrote
Speaker 2: the intro to Really Love Yeah, played wrote and played that.
Speaker 2: But I was taking listens to him because I was like,
Speaker 2: I can come out all this time and be playing
Speaker 2: a little you know, I better come and be moving
Speaker 2: and with some chords and some melody and show some
Speaker 2: serious growth and all that time. But you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But I think I more than sufficed on
Speaker 2: verbal Lyrically. It's one of my favorite records because I'm
Speaker 2: I do poetry and so to take poetry and try
Speaker 2: to put it to song lyrics that sing. And I
Speaker 2: keep looking at her because I saw I admire about her.
Speaker 2: She's like her. Her poetry is Ingrid. You forgot yeah, Ingrid.
Speaker 2: This is the greatest hand buship on life. And my daughter,
Speaker 2: my my biggest thing of My daughter loves her. She
Speaker 2: says face, I tricked her in the sand face today
Speaker 2: and my daughter loves the way she says faith.
Speaker 10: Face are you from?
Speaker 2: I grew up in Georgia?
Speaker 10: But you didn't know that I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that I was in the presence
Speaker 1: of greatness for the first hour of this interview bill,
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else.
Speaker 3: I wanted?
Speaker 1: I wanted a Roger Trouting story about the Larry one.
Speaker 3: I've I knew that.
Speaker 1: You guys, Morris and Jerome used to get into it
Speaker 1: with Larry all the time.
Speaker 2: And then Larry's girl came out and she was like,
Speaker 2: super super bad.
Speaker 3: Way out of our league.
Speaker 2: Way, yeah, way, she's a woman, not a girl. She's
Speaker 2: a woman. She's absolutely just breathtaking. But she stood at
Speaker 2: the side of the stage and we were standing behind her,
Speaker 2: and whatever her dress she had on. You when the
Speaker 2: lights came on, you see, everything's like, oh, we're just crying.
Speaker 2: So we just like he just really well. Roger used
Speaker 2: to say a lot of stuff to us, like, you
Speaker 2: go to those white people working for your you think
Speaker 2: Wonder Brothers is two niggas from over on we work
Speaker 2: for the same people. Fuck out here with that ship.
Speaker 2: But he would say all that stuff, like he would
Speaker 2: always say that stuff. Then he went up to Prince
Speaker 2: one day. We were walking Prince walking the stage and
Speaker 2: he said, you know, we have the same name. Roger
Speaker 2: because a lot of people don't believe Prince's name is Prince.
Speaker 2: It looks like he's named himself that, but that ain't
Speaker 2: his name, and that's his real name. So Princess looks
Speaker 2: at him crazy and keeps walking like not even says anything.
Speaker 2: So they just really kind of didn't didn't like us,
Speaker 2: and so we would always be messing with Larry. And
Speaker 2: so Larry, Morris and Jerome tell you that's told yes,
Speaker 2: and they'll verify. But Larry said, I want to talk
Speaker 2: to y'all. We went to the dressing room. It was me, Morris, Jerome,
Speaker 2: we will go to his dressing room with him, and
Speaker 2: he said, pull out a gun. He said, you.
Speaker 6: Motherfucker, you know what this is. So I'm forty two years.
Speaker 2: Old, motherfucker, and I'm behind. I'm the last one in
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: I might get the fuck.
Speaker 6: That's how ignorant. I was, like, get the fuck out
Speaker 6: of here with that ship and.
Speaker 2: Laughed and they were still there listening to him. But
Speaker 2: Morrison tell you, but he pulled the car. He said,
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you. We like three fools
Speaker 2: went in there, like the three stooges, and.
Speaker 6: So you know what this is you know what man
Speaker 6: forty two years old?
Speaker 3: So was it just that you guys were prince, No,
Speaker 3: we were just.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he said, say Tony, you had
Speaker 2: a bunch of hair shooting out of his nose and.
Speaker 3: Just disrespectful.
Speaker 2: No, but he would say they would say a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff to us, and then we would throw bullets back.
Speaker 2: And then he didn't. He just didn't like that. And
Speaker 2: then I think the last straw and it's that's your girl.
Speaker 2: Oh man, she bad, And it was something we didn't say.
Speaker 2: We didn't get more disrespectful than that, which was disrespectful,
Speaker 2: but we didn't. We just oh, that's your oh man,
Speaker 2: she bad. And then I think I said something stupid
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, man, when the lights come on, I
Speaker 2: really like her. And he's like, yeah, I need to
Speaker 2: hollow chut you know, do that finger? Yeah, I need
Speaker 2: to hollow chiut?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 2: Can you say?
Speaker 6: Can I talk to y'all for me?
Speaker 2: You just you thinking? You on tour now? And I
Speaker 2: always telling I'm always telling the Cats and D's band,
Speaker 2: the young Dudes. It's like, don't play with nobody, and
Speaker 2: he said, you'll be casting guy shot on stage performing
Speaker 2: It's like keep on messing with these these women. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm like, keep on. But I remember that Larry. Can
Speaker 2: I talk to y'all for a few minutes on normal ship,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was a really tall dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: He was older than everybody. He's talk to y'all brothers
Speaker 2: a minute, and followed him in his dressing room.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, I pulled out a nickel plated with a pearl,
Speaker 2: handling ooh.
Speaker 6: About forty two years old.
Speaker 2: You think I'm mother fucker to play with And I'm
Speaker 2: just ignorant. I'm just young. You know, when you're young
Speaker 2: and you ain't scared, and you in the streets and
Speaker 2: you got a gun at eight or nine of them
Speaker 2: to you to get the fuck out with that punk ass.
Speaker 2: And I swear to God and just to this. And
Speaker 2: then when so when I got woke up and said
Speaker 2: he shot, you know, Roger got shot, I was like,
Speaker 2: he's probably about Larry. And I was in la at
Speaker 2: Tommy Jenkins cameo and woke me up and told me that,
Speaker 2: and I said that sais probably by Larry and went
Speaker 2: to sleep. And it was like I knew that ship I.
Speaker 5: Was supposed to be in dating that weekend when that happened.
Speaker 5: But really I have more questions. Speaking of Young and Ignorant,
Speaker 5: can you tell us about Old and Ignorant? The song
Speaker 5: that became.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a song that Morris did and uh we
Speaker 2: we we were. It was one of the during that
Speaker 2: period when Prince was like, yeah, yeah, you can recorded.
Speaker 2: The whole wasn't shipped there so it ain't no reverb
Speaker 2: and you know, everything just dry date and speakers and
Speaker 2: so it was one of the songs that Morrison I cut.
Speaker 2: But I did this thing on where I'm going to
Speaker 2: where the beatings like boot boot instead of it like
Speaker 2: Prince would always go, do do do.
Speaker 3: Do do do do do do do.
Speaker 2: He just thought that was like the most genius thing.
Speaker 2: He was playing the baseline in the studio and boom
Speaker 2: ball and he just kept going while he's recording it
Speaker 2: where the sunset sound. But we brought out that two
Speaker 2: inch I mean a half inch, which I still have
Speaker 2: the two track tape of that, and that's what that's
Speaker 2: why ice Cream Hustle came from this song that we
Speaker 2: did call Old and Ignorant, But we would we cut
Speaker 2: about we.
Speaker 1: Are young and we are funky, we are young, we
Speaker 1: are they did that in rehearsals.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you craft that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm playing all that ship on there. He he
Speaker 2: uh was he was playing. I came up with that baseline.
Speaker 2: All that was that tracked in the warehouse. No sunset sound.
Speaker 2: We did that sunset So because.
Speaker 1: I can hear at the towards the end of ice Cream,
Speaker 1: I just hear so much.
Speaker 2: No a sunset time.
Speaker 1: But even with you guys tracking in the studio, I
Speaker 1: can hear like feet rattling papers.
Speaker 2: On the like, because Prince used to take the forty
Speaker 2: seven and pointed, you know, he would use it properly,
Speaker 2: like I never use it that way because of you
Speaker 2: could hear him. He always never worked with an engineer.
Speaker 2: He always punched himself in and out every vocal you
Speaker 2: ever heard. Like when I was telling D'Angelo that, I
Speaker 2: was like, man, pick a song, pick a song, and
Speaker 2: this is just to pick a song. He go controversy, wrote, recorded, written,
Speaker 2: all finished, mixed one day, everything right, recorded, mixed, finished,
Speaker 2: one day. You know, he never spent more than one day.
Speaker 2: It was done. We would go out to the club,
Speaker 2: I think many of the club clothes at one and
Speaker 2: we go back out to the crib and I'd go
Speaker 2: to sleep on the couch and he walk up at
Speaker 2: almost like clockwork, two thirty the next day, like nothing happened,
Speaker 2: like just after being out all night?
Speaker 3: Were you were you impressed with what he was playing you?
Speaker 3: Or was it weird?
Speaker 1: Like if he's playing you, like if he's coming up,
Speaker 1: like here's a song called do Me Baby and you're
Speaker 1: listening all seven minutes, like is it weird you guys
Speaker 1: listening to this or is it I.
Speaker 2: Didn't listen to songs like that? They I didn't. I
Speaker 2: felt weird listening to song like say a dude saying
Speaker 2: like that, That's what I'm saying, Like, no, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I listened to song like he came. I
Speaker 2: remember physically we went out club clothes. We came home
Speaker 2: and I was like at this sectional thing in the
Speaker 2: in the in the living room because he had this
Speaker 2: gas fireplace that I hated it because you'd be freezing.
Speaker 2: Then you turn that shit on, now you're a thousand degrees,
Speaker 2: then you turn it off night cold. So he we down,
Speaker 2: came up with the Lets's Pretend were married song finished
Speaker 2: and in the cap, but Morris went down first. He said,
Speaker 2: Marris come here this, and Morris went down there and
Speaker 2: he's like, doom do that's and Morse much we're the
Speaker 2: hand club said, you know Morrison, you know hand clups.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, get train music. And then he comes
Speaker 2: out and wakes me up and does Jess so you
Speaker 2: come here this And I was like, oh, yeah, that's nice,
Speaker 2: that's cool. I like that because I because I was
Speaker 2: there when the Darling. I was there for when we
Speaker 2: did all that purple and stuff. But it was like
Speaker 2: I went upstairs and Darling Nikki was done, and then
Speaker 2: he went down. I went upstairs and went to sleep
Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, and he would go wakes me up
Speaker 2: and go cause I'm here this and I don't know
Speaker 2: how he did that, but you know that double bass.
Speaker 2: Then he's on the toms. It's a real drum set,
Speaker 2: but he's on the I don't know how he did that,
Speaker 2: but I was just amazed. But I'm like he knew that.
Speaker 2: I would just be like fucked up behind that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how did you do it? Because he just had a
Speaker 2: little drum set out in the patio ors and.
Speaker 3: Like even you were still impressed.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I but I never like I'm singing on
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, you know when you go Dan the
Speaker 2: basic wan on them, I'm playing that, but he ain't.
Speaker 2: I ain't credited. And then on the end of the song,
Speaker 2: Jill Jones to tell you it's me, Jill Jones and
Speaker 2: prints on one mic and we're just going PD and
Speaker 2: clapping and singing all that shit, and I ain't credited.
Speaker 2: I'm on a lot of shit like that. And I
Speaker 2: was like, the one time I was so happy because
Speaker 2: when nineteen ninety came, he had the depressing of it
Speaker 2: and the you know, the for the twelve inch or something,
Speaker 2: and it said I was but you understand, man, y'all laughing.
Speaker 2: But that ship I was in First Avenue and he's
Speaker 2: playing it and I'm like, yeah, and I see the
Speaker 2: thing and I'm like, finally credited me and that ship
Speaker 2: wasn't me, it was Jill Jones. And I was just like,
Speaker 2: once again, I was just heartbroken. Be I was like
Speaker 2: totally crack, like, you know, but you feel that's how
Speaker 2: you feel. You don't feel like fucking you feel like
Speaker 2: really really.
Speaker 10: You know that feeling.
Speaker 2: Really, but really that's how you felt. And so that's
Speaker 2: why I so then I stopped like we were jammed
Speaker 2: and we would do that that ship right there right.
Speaker 2: So then I came up on the album as a
Speaker 2: song and I was like, wow, and I'm not cy
Speaker 2: so I stopped after that. I didn't just I was done.
Speaker 2: Was done?
Speaker 3: Was that? How did you get bella Saint mark?
Speaker 2: Because that was because I played a fort I played
Speaker 2: as something I did on the four track or a
Speaker 2: track around the same thing out of the jungle of
Speaker 2: thing with the ah track, So I'm going and that's
Speaker 2: one of the main things I saw and I had
Speaker 2: played him that a few days before and then he
Speaker 2: I heard that song and I was like, dude, really
Speaker 2: and he was like, what what tell me? And I
Speaker 2: was like, I just can't explain it. When you in
Speaker 2: that space and you can't really tell him. You can't
Speaker 2: really tell him because you feel like a punk if
Speaker 2: you tell him, I can't explain it. I can explain
Speaker 2: it to today. I can go, hey man, that's my
Speaker 2: but put my name in.
Speaker 3: Greg filling Games was talking talking to.
Speaker 2: I said, if I got to tell you fuck you know,
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. Because he walked into the
Speaker 2: where we rehearsing, because where we rehearsed. He had bought
Speaker 2: this building, and we when you walked in the front door,
Speaker 2: the time was there. Then you walked through this door,
Speaker 2: and then his band was We would yeah, we would play.
Speaker 2: We would rehearse all day first and then when he finished,
Speaker 2: we finished, then his band would be coming in.
Speaker 9: But didn't don't you think he knew that you would
Speaker 9: never really say anything.
Speaker 2: He just to do weird shit like that, like he'd see.
Speaker 10: Me with he ain't gonna check me on it.
Speaker 2: So no, he I don't know if he really just
Speaker 2: you know, sublimely didn't know. But I would write some
Speaker 2: stuff that was sticking to your craw because that whole
Speaker 2: jungle of that h trac thing you see, that's all there.
Speaker 2: It's actually funkier to me, but it's all there. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like, oh did he really do? It's all there.
Speaker 2: And so when I walk in with just like with
Speaker 2: the time when we did, I walked in with those
Speaker 2: songs on two inch, I already finished those.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I walked in with that ship finished. And so the
Speaker 2: same thing with Blondie, I walked in with those finished.
Speaker 2: Nobody else is on those songs. I didn't walk in
Speaker 2: the loose words. I walked in with a two inch
Speaker 2: tape with those here.
Speaker 3: It is, Hey, go ahead, I know.
Speaker 2: What sweet what you gonna say?
Speaker 3: Baby?
Speaker 2: Let that girl get it out there around.
Speaker 10: Just gonna say this, Like I heard a small rumor
Speaker 10: in the mirror.
Speaker 8: I didn't even ask you about this, but I heard
Speaker 8: there's a small rumor that like d'angelo's making music again.
Speaker 2: If it's true, no, trust me, if you, Amir, can
Speaker 2: tell you more about it.
Speaker 10: I didn't even ask what he's.
Speaker 2: Saiding on fifty or sixty things to make you never
Speaker 2: want to play music again. You don't even understand.
Speaker 10: Are you involved in anything that he's sitting on because.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, I'm on on some stuff, but it's
Speaker 2: mostly but he's the one that's on everything. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he played me you know the song he did for
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill?
Speaker 6: He played this ship for me.
Speaker 2: I had to leave. We were what's the one Henson?
Speaker 2: And he said, I did this for Lauren?
Speaker 9: Here is that what was supposed to be for Voodoo?
Speaker 9: That that she never did?
Speaker 2: No, that was just he and it's it's it's done.
Speaker 2: It's you don't understand, it's the horns, it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: he he. I can't even put in a where he's
Speaker 2: got to me and I ain't talking about five or ten.
Speaker 1: No, we talking like fifty at least. Just he's the
Speaker 1: same way as we have, like we're up to two
Speaker 1: hundred songs. But you just got to stop and be
Speaker 1: like here.
Speaker 8: But when you tell him stories about Prince making songs
Speaker 8: in twenty minutes and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That, why I was telling him that because I because
Speaker 2: the day, because I don't get that going in and
Speaker 2: you know, like Fleetwood Mac would go they made great albums,
Speaker 2: but they would be in there for a year, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like that forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I didn't come from that.
Speaker 2: We coming in whatever you got, get, churn it till
Speaker 2: it you burn it, don't go in there. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go to sleep now forget you ain't thinking about
Speaker 2: none of that. I'm still like that.
Speaker 1: Wait, I swear you guys, this is my last question.
Speaker 1: Then I'll stop it. Can you please explain the last
Speaker 1: thirty seconds I don't want to He's going to know
Speaker 1: the answer to this. Yes, I feel like you do.
Speaker 1: The last thirty seconds of I don't want to leave you,
Speaker 1: which is just abruptly good, weird edit and to.
Speaker 3: A jam in you can play it please, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I don't. I didn't know when Mark played that
Speaker 2: not long for me. I didn't even remember that even
Speaker 2: being on the record.
Speaker 1: Okay, so basically, I don't want to think the last
Speaker 1: you want me to pull it up because I'm playing
Speaker 1: I got that, So basically, here we go.
Speaker 2: I remember that that was That was I think that
Speaker 2: was from a version of this song makeup. You know,
Speaker 2: the song makeup, yeah, smoking. It was like there was
Speaker 2: different versions of that because there there's a before the
Speaker 2: time had a deal. There was a you you know
Speaker 2: about the what was it called was Jamie Susan exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's part of the stuff that I evaluated and
Speaker 2: remastered and all that stuff, all of their stuff is
Speaker 2: in there, and there was an actual deal in place
Speaker 2: for that. There was a deal in place for that.
Speaker 2: But that's Jamie's singing all that stuff. I can breathe,
Speaker 2: But that was a part of the It was part
Speaker 2: of because there was a different That's that's what I'm
Speaker 2: telling you. That some of the stuff that's in there,
Speaker 2: it's like it's got the Vanity six stuff, but Princes
Speaker 2: singing it. Oh god, it's got It's like there's a
Speaker 2: whole different version of makeup. And but what blew my
Speaker 2: mind really was a was the the Prince album the
Speaker 2: Wanna Be Your Lover? Why? Why all this shit in
Speaker 2: demo mode? But he and the vocals ain't really the
Speaker 2: real vocal yet. So he's on. I ain't got no money,
Speaker 2: but he can tell it. He's figuring out how he's on.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you for anybody that's in the music
Speaker 2: and to hear how he's putting this shit together. To me,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, priceless. I don't I don't want it to
Speaker 2: go to some collector that got the actual cassette, because
Speaker 2: you know, he writes on all the stuff, because I
Speaker 2: have a ton of stuff. I actually was listening. I
Speaker 2: was because I'm moving in the process of moving to
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, so I was opening up a box and
Speaker 2: it's got these cassettes. You know, when the answer machine
Speaker 2: had cassetts and if you and if they came on
Speaker 2: and you picked up the phone, a lot of times
Speaker 2: they depending on all your ship. So there's conversations with something.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, uh, come out to the thing man
Speaker 2: that you know, come out to the house man, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, why man, it's like one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: degrees below zero nuts and you hear these conversations to us.
Speaker 2: He's like, bad, just come on out. And you always
Speaker 2: you heard that tape where we're planning to walk and
Speaker 2: rehearsal and it's like, really, I mean we kicking it
Speaker 2: boom boom the Prince and I relationship. All of a
Speaker 2: sudden the song stops. Rehearsal. You hear Prince Jesse, you
Speaker 2: should and you can't. I've tried everything to see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, but you hear Boris, you hear Mars, You
Speaker 2: hear me go, Man, did you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: You hear me go? Get the fuck fucking doing that?
Speaker 2: You hear Brsel you're laughing, And it's like, that's our relationship.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I tried everything to have
Speaker 2: the mastering to figure out what he said to me
Speaker 2: what was because it's like, bat, we got you need
Speaker 2: to dance more. Right, We're kicking that ship, is won't you.
Speaker 11: Dad?
Speaker 2: Thing right, We're kicking that you And all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it's just abruptly Jesse because he's in He's over
Speaker 2: here and you, Jesse, you need to.
Speaker 3: And you hear me.
Speaker 2: It's just so typical because then you would think I
Speaker 2: was like here and you have it right, Mark, you
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 3: Fucking ship go up about four or five octors.
Speaker 2: Ain't doing that.
Speaker 6: You're more like these two motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: You just laughing. And we were just always like, but
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. I'm not Jesse, what the okay?
Speaker 3: Have we exhausted all our questions? I have one last question.
Speaker 5: Did the bill okay? You'll ask question Bill. This is
Speaker 5: a quick yes or no answer. The song jungle Love
Speaker 5: was it originally called Dreamer?
Speaker 2: No okay? The Jungle Love was written, the music was
Speaker 2: written for I said that in the demo when I
Speaker 2: posted it's written for Lenny Williams. Wait what the music?
Speaker 2: I did the music for Lenny Williams.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Lenny Williams.
Speaker 2: Lenny was going to do it.
Speaker 3: What's going to do with that?
Speaker 2: And that's why I said it in the in the
Speaker 2: thing and then I said it, and then when I
Speaker 2: posted to demo and then Lenny say, hey, Jesse, what's
Speaker 2: up man? Because On was working with Lenny and that's
Speaker 2: who hooked that up. And that's how I wrote that
Speaker 2: for him and before, but before I played it for him,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, it's in these acting classes with
Speaker 2: ballet shoes and ship. Get this feeling vulnerable right now.
Speaker 2: But the reason why they make you really went to
Speaker 2: ballet class. The reason I was like, why am I
Speaker 2: in ballet and doing all this ship with leotard on?
Speaker 2: Some pins? Yeah, but not the kind that you would
Speaker 2: see like that, like you know, not the you know
Speaker 2: but you got but you got your no, but you
Speaker 2: got regular pain. You got them pants somewhere you got
Speaker 2: you got those. They're made out of some kind, but
Speaker 2: they're not that clingy type. But you got to have
Speaker 2: uh lit when you're doing that ship, because otherwise you
Speaker 2: will crush your franks and beings.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 2: That's why when you see a ballet dance, you go,
Speaker 2: why does this dude got a cup on? Who's going
Speaker 2: to tackle him? Because you got because ballet was really
Speaker 2: written for women and and and design for women. So
Speaker 2: you got to take all of your ship and go
Speaker 2: up here like it doesn't exist. So you can because
Speaker 2: I always wondered why somebody's dude playing football after hours
Speaker 2: or something? You got a cup on? So that wasn't
Speaker 2: what the ballet Whenever you do acting for real and
Speaker 2: you do true acting, what the ballet is for Like,
Speaker 2: they never said anything to you. Just okay, ballet class.
Speaker 2: I don't know, seen me leaving this month, but you're
Speaker 2: in ballet class. But what it is, they sheot, They
Speaker 2: teach a routine, and they teach a whole entire movement,
Speaker 2: all the way to the end. And what they what
Speaker 2: it's doing is doing memory for lines. Okay, So if
Speaker 2: you can remember that whole routine and you know, and
Speaker 2: they and ballets all in it, one, two, four and
Speaker 2: all that crazy ship. But just if you can remember
Speaker 2: that whole routine from the beginning, all the way this movement,
Speaker 2: all the way to the end and around and back
Speaker 2: again somewhere else, then it helps you remember your lines.
Speaker 2: So develops memory, muscle memory, they call it.
Speaker 3: I never knew that.
Speaker 10: I didn't know that, Ingrid, did you have to do
Speaker 10: that too?
Speaker 3: For that was before she wasn't.
Speaker 10: No, I knew. I just figured it was an acting period.
Speaker 2: We had to do that. The whole summer was acting
Speaker 2: and ballet. Acting in ballet, because.
Speaker 3: Even if you didn't have lines in the film, you
Speaker 3: still want to.
Speaker 2: Be in there doing some routine. That crazy ass in
Speaker 2: there too. Yeah, yeah, everybody was in.
Speaker 5: Did you have any lines that were cut from the film,
Speaker 5: because I know Jellybean have to scene where him and
Speaker 5: the kid get in a fight.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of when you do a movie,
Speaker 2: they they go to LA and they have these special screenings.
Speaker 2: Because I remember editing being out there editing, uh and
Speaker 2: talking to Clint Eastwood and he was there screening the Rookie.
Speaker 2: And so that's why a lot of Purple Rain was
Speaker 2: reshot because there's a part scene in Purple Range editing,
Speaker 2: and there were he prince goes up the mors and
Speaker 2: slaps the spit out of his mouth. But when all
Speaker 2: this shit what happened. There's a lot of things in
Speaker 2: Purple Range that when the testing audience watch is supposed
Speaker 2: to be like, oh my god, they were Karyan. You
Speaker 2: know black folks, man, you know black folks. They ain't
Speaker 2: gonna sit there. They're gonna beat that ship, get the
Speaker 2: and so a lot of scenes there were supposed to
Speaker 2: be like, oh man, he wentn't slapped. They had to
Speaker 2: take that ship out because it was like it's like
Speaker 2: Kevin Hart slap up in the rock. It's like, dude,
Speaker 2: we not ain't believable, and that's why there's so much.
Speaker 2: There's so much. Okay, okay, okay, No, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful about everything in my career. I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: about all the ignorant shit we did. There was no
Speaker 2: self there was no cell phone cameras because we used
Speaker 2: to do the time like we would be on stage.
Speaker 3: This is true.
Speaker 2: Ship was on stage and and this is the nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine tour. So the time we'd go up there
Speaker 2: and play and then dudes will be there with their
Speaker 2: girls and Ship and the girl would be like you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe in front of me and I. One time I
Speaker 2: turned my back and Jerome was on this platform with
Speaker 2: Monty and Jerome would be up on the platform doing
Speaker 2: that clap thing, and Jerome was and as I'm turned
Speaker 2: facing my back to artist, Jerome goes and I turned
Speaker 2: like what you know, like you're looking at somebody face
Speaker 2: and you're like what what wasn't you turn on nothing?
Speaker 2: Some As you watch the video, dude took a magnum.
Speaker 2: It was bad before when they would let people bring
Speaker 2: shit in the Constabody took a magnum bottle and threw
Speaker 2: it at me. What and it went and it missed me,
Speaker 2: but it slid under the Rise of Jerome was on.
Speaker 2: So but let me how ignorant we were. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you ignorant we were. We would come off of stage,
Speaker 2: go put on, go change, come out and start pointing,
Speaker 2: get that motherfucker and tell you get his punk ass
Speaker 2: to it, and the dudes would come backstage. It would
Speaker 2: be me and Jerome, Yeah, bring that ship back here,
Speaker 2: and the guy would be talking mad that. The dudes
Speaker 2: would be talking mad shit to me, he's scaring you, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: But they didn't know Terry was back there with no
Speaker 2: shirt on, some church shoes, church pants. Yeah, bring them motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: They would one guy start crying. And we were so
Speaker 2: ignorant that we would go back out after turning it out.
Speaker 2: Get this motherfucker, Yeah you want to throw bring your
Speaker 2: punkt and they would be talking shit because would just
Speaker 2: be me a Jerome walking them back and it would
Speaker 2: be everybody back there way, Yeah, bring the motherfuckers. And
Speaker 2: and and when we were on that.
Speaker 6: Were like bring people are going lok is the time.
Speaker 2: Imagine if there was camera phones back then man, I'm
Speaker 2: so glad there was none of that ship existed video cameras.
Speaker 10: Because I'm I want to see it.
Speaker 1: This is going to be the final question, because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask the question that like wraps up the thing.
Speaker 9: Are you because I want to you know, we got
Speaker 9: three hours?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, even Jimmy.
Speaker 10: Jam after he didn't put you know, put the record out.
Speaker 8: Okay, that's fine after Freedy Bridge, but that's fine. I
Speaker 8: just all right, he put on after Graffiti Bridge and
Speaker 8: was like her album never.
Speaker 9: Didn't come out.
Speaker 2: Because you can't leave.
Speaker 10: I'm an electra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was dollars and nobody still cares spent a
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, and then that's my question.
Speaker 9: So as you as we sit here.
Speaker 2: Were you on the set when I was had to
Speaker 2: grab him and all that stuff? And were you in
Speaker 2: the set when something happened and everybody clear set and
Speaker 2: Prince was sitting on the floor and they made everybody
Speaker 2: clear the set. Were you in the set when that happened?
Speaker 2: What happened, I had to grab him and like man
Speaker 2: handle him or something, and I didn't wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't really doing that much. But I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened. And he sat on the floor and everybody
Speaker 2: and then they were like every Craig Rice, everybody cleared.
Speaker 2: Everybody cleared the rice, everybody clear the room. Everybody. They
Speaker 2: made us. I'm thinking something we part of this ship came. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm like really, but I thought something bad because no, no,
Speaker 2: he There was a lot of times. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: to remember, I'm talking about doing that my hair as
Speaker 2: long as hell, but I'm talking about doing that when
Speaker 2: I go out because it's too much work.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2: I'm like going, No, I'm gonna get there's a place
Speaker 2: in la that does it, because I want my hair
Speaker 2: blonde or red or whatever I wanted to be. I
Speaker 2: don't want it to do that to my own hair,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be somewhere in the middle
Speaker 2: of this place is in Europe. I mean, it's up
Speaker 2: to date now. But if you went into London and
Speaker 2: Paris and especially Paris and all that stuff like in
Speaker 2: the eighties and with no black hair, not ship nowhere,
Speaker 2: Yeah you ain't. Still ain't a lot of places. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and I remember going and trying to find that shit
Speaker 2: was at a specialty like perfume store. And it was
Speaker 2: that old remember that mom type ship? Remember Mom? Y'all
Speaker 2: don't remember Mom. That ship was a yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was that kind of ship. And it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah Mom, like yeah, I'm Mom all right?
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, no, I get it with the because
Speaker 2: he had what he was going from. I don't know
Speaker 2: his actual hair was always long, but he made it
Speaker 2: longer for the movie or something, but.
Speaker 10: It was perfect. It was late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who gives a ship? I mean, I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: what you're supposed to when you start.
Speaker 10: Nobody gives a shit.
Speaker 8: But that whole sentence that you said about putting the
Speaker 8: extra stuff in your hair and dying and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That right on the floor. But my hair can't take
Speaker 2: it to be right on the floor.
Speaker 10: No, I get it.
Speaker 2: I should have fallen out so faced so fast it
Speaker 2: ain't even funny. Man. So now I don't I'm putting
Speaker 2: some other ship in my hair. So I ain't even
Speaker 2: got a comb it. I just wanted, can y'all make
Speaker 2: it where I can just wake up and it still
Speaker 2: looks cool?
Speaker 3: That ship.
Speaker 2: That's what I am not lying, dude. I never seen
Speaker 2: dude's hair messed up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and especially when he went through the fingerway.
Speaker 2: No, no, I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: three of the nineteen ninety nine Purple Rank perfectly quaffed.
Speaker 3: Fucker will walk out.
Speaker 2: Of the bedroom and I just say you, I hate you.
Speaker 2: He would watch his ship would be I was like,
Speaker 2: how do you are you sleeping?
Speaker 8: Like what do you which makes me think about Purple
Speaker 8: Ringin and Graffiti Bridge and like, was there ever scenes
Speaker 8: where the woman got to put her hair?
Speaker 2: No, but trust me as a friend, as we were
Speaker 2: just like we never washed our hair. That's why hair
Speaker 2: looks so good. You don't know, No, it's the hair
Speaker 2: ain't funky, but you know, black hair, when you wash it,
Speaker 2: it takes a long time to get brinks back to it,
Speaker 2: like when it was looking real cool. Devil should take weeks.
Speaker 2: So we like so Prince was would have this really
Speaker 2: back when I really skinny, curling iron and he would
Speaker 2: be for hours be talking to him. Yeah, man, we
Speaker 2: all did. We didn't never have a hairdresser on us.
Speaker 9: You just I mean, those sons don't really know.
Speaker 2: But we got we got long ass hair. We out
Speaker 2: there trying to be pretty and ship too. We don't
Speaker 2: care about what dudes think we did. I always tell
Speaker 2: dudes all the time. Who was I talking to? I
Speaker 2: think I was in was Maxwell? I was like, you
Speaker 2: care about what the dude thinks? Dudes don't buy ship
Speaker 2: women the one to go buy it. Women to go.
Speaker 2: Dudes be his dudes. Oh man, you got that copy.
Speaker 2: That's what dude women. I want the picture. I want
Speaker 2: to read all the shit in it. I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I'm like Dan, and I'm not thinking about what No, dude,
Speaker 2: thanks Wait, I forgot the most important question that we
Speaker 2: would have killed ourselves for asking for not.
Speaker 3: Asking you, we didn't mention we're pink at all? And
Speaker 3: there were how many suits pink suits? How many pink
Speaker 3: suits did you own?
Speaker 2: And like, no that it's a story behind it though,
Speaker 2: Jamie shut. We were rehearsing on a Sunday the time,
Speaker 2: and Jamie Hue came out with Uh. She met us
Speaker 2: out with Prince because Andre's my own sister up until
Speaker 2: UH from the nineteen ninety nine tour, and she made
Speaker 2: all of the clothes Andre's older sister or older sister, Sylvia,
Speaker 2: Sylvia Anderson. She made all our clothes and so the
Speaker 2: day that they brought out the swatches, to look at
Speaker 2: the swatches, and so if you've ever seen any video
Speaker 2: of the time, we used to call it the Shrek light.
Speaker 2: We used to call it because what we used to
Speaker 2: call it the Hulk because it wasn't no Shrek then.
Speaker 2: But well, he's knew when we was kicking ass because
Speaker 2: that green all the lights will go off and to
Speaker 2: just be this green light and motherfuckers be looking like Martians, right,
Speaker 2: you think it's just tossing now. So if you watch
Speaker 2: videos from the very first tour, you never see me
Speaker 2: because I was like, I'm cool. I got around black little.
Speaker 2: I know, my black ass wasn't saying either. So when
Speaker 2: they brought into swatches, uh, they're Jamie showing us his
Speaker 2: watches and it's like this real cool swatch of this
Speaker 2: fusia mohair, you know it like changes colors. And I said, Prince,
Speaker 2: you should wear that, and he, honestly the stack of bibles,
Speaker 2: he said, oh man, I wouldn't wear that. People already
Speaker 2: say enough stuff about me, And I said, fuck that,
Speaker 2: I'll wear it. And that's how that came to be,
Speaker 2: and that's how I wore it. And then it worked
Speaker 2: out perfectly because no matter how much dark he put
Speaker 2: me in, you saw my ass. You saw my ass
Speaker 2: in the dark. When I walked on stage in the dark,
Speaker 2: you could hear him. On the day, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you see, mom, you can't put the light out on
Speaker 2: my black ass. Now I got on this pink white
Speaker 2: and a white shirt. Yeah, yeah, before I didn't consider
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, he really beat the shit out of
Speaker 2: our assets on the first tour because we didn't know
Speaker 2: anything yet. We was like getting he was you know,
Speaker 2: he was on the top of the speaker doing all
Speaker 2: of that and jacking off the guitar and this and
Speaker 2: that and that, and we were just like getting our
Speaker 2: ass handed to us. You know, anybody only knew a
Speaker 2: couple of songs on the record. And second tour, shit
Speaker 2: fuckers came out clean, ready, came out with some step
Speaker 2: and had it hard, and so then he was like
Speaker 2: and it was weird. And then we saw the tide
Speaker 2: turn where I was telling Inger today how we would
Speaker 2: outsell him on merchandise because a dude ain't gonna wear
Speaker 2: no shirt I belonged to Prince, you know, ain't gonna
Speaker 2: you know, unless he you know, different and wanted to
Speaker 2: belong to prints. But most dudes ain't gonna wear that.
Speaker 2: But our shit said, ain't nobody bad like me? I'm
Speaker 2: so cool, and so so we would. Midway through the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine too, we'd always sold over a million
Speaker 2: dollars at merchandise because I should appeal to both men
Speaker 2: and women.
Speaker 3: Well how did you up keep it?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: Because the thing is is that the pink thing? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you do a show, you're sweaty as hell. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I don't for some reason, on sweat
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: He's too cool.
Speaker 2: I never I never have.
Speaker 3: I don't drinks.
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeahs D sweats more than D sweats before
Speaker 2: he even starts the seriously as an athlete, because he
Speaker 2: just I mean, I never seen anybody sweat like that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, but no, I know what you
Speaker 2: say that you have to take care of it every night. Yes,
Speaker 2: on the time tour because you got it. But you
Speaker 2: gotta watch the beginning of the tour if you see
Speaker 2: the things, because I got cuffs and everything that's you know,
Speaker 2: before we had professional clothing makers, like the clothing makers
Speaker 2: that take the material throw it in a vat of
Speaker 2: water pre shrinking and all that didn't make the clothes.
Speaker 2: But see, we didn't have that. We just had somebody's
Speaker 2: sister making us some stuff. And she wasn't didn't know
Speaker 2: all about that. Then, like these people that may close,
Speaker 2: you can be completely wet, you won't see it. You
Speaker 2: like the cat that made all the clothes for Purple
Speaker 2: Raine and stuff. He grew up in the same we
Speaker 2: were from the same hometown Rock Louis. Lewis Wells for
Speaker 2: Louis and Vaughan that made all the ship for Purple
Speaker 2: Rain and num was princes those was Lewis Wells patterns
Speaker 2: Prince War to the end of his life. That's all
Speaker 2: Lewis Wells. He designed and cut all that ship. But
Speaker 2: they knew their ship like they would know. They have
Speaker 2: them the wash, the silk, and so you know how
Speaker 2: when you sweat you won't see it. I don't They're
Speaker 2: just magicians that the ship or something like how your
Speaker 2: counts be on stage three four? Hey, what y'all got
Speaker 2: invisible counts? And breaking in the bad ship. Don't tell
Speaker 2: nobody no keys doing this ship all. Now, I'm like
Speaker 2: y'all don't breaking the bad ship. Don't even you ain't
Speaker 2: gonna okay, yeah, job I went.
Speaker 3: That was the key.
Speaker 2: They was killing ship. And y'all got invisible keys like
Speaker 2: the count Okay, got you your classics are flat, We
Speaker 2: went to your Jesse keys. Those were more I wrote
Speaker 2: those for Morris Case. I can't sing you. But if
Speaker 2: you look at the very first videos, my pants are nice, cool,
Speaker 2: got the pleats, got cuffs. But look as a tour,
Speaker 2: going up is higher, not a cuff is gone, is
Speaker 2: shrinking higher. And yeah, that's that. So that was one suit.
Speaker 2: But when I did the first album, then there was
Speaker 2: like three or four of those.
Speaker 3: But I would have.
Speaker 2: Like twelve shoes, and then I would always have my
Speaker 2: door open to my room and so girls would come
Speaker 2: in the room, my door would try and be wide open,
Speaker 2: like and no, they just would be chilling, but they
Speaker 2: were ninja's. I would go on tour like twelve pair
Speaker 2: of white boots, right, come home with three because they
Speaker 2: were taking a ship.
Speaker 6: How do you I just saw you, yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: and you're like, how did you do that?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But once again going back to you know, the camera
Speaker 2: phone thing, it's like scary to do a self with
Speaker 2: somebody because even now, because the era come from, if
Speaker 2: somebody got a selfie with you, you were somewhere selfie
Speaker 2: with them, and it's like meaning somebody can you know,
Speaker 2: like say, if you go to court somebody said he
Speaker 2: did this to me, I don't even know her. Why
Speaker 2: y'all on this like that while y'all you know, dollars
Speaker 2: just scares me. I he never went through that. But
Speaker 2: I'm watched enough enough crime shows, like when Patrisa O'Neil
Speaker 2: said he he would go buy a stick or com
Speaker 2: and go okay, okay, so he won't be because because
Speaker 2: I'm lazy, you don't want to throw the pepsicn the
Speaker 2: PEPs can't rapist and ship.
Speaker 6: I'm like you, just you.
Speaker 2: I love him to death so much. I miss him.
Speaker 2: So he Jesus a great guy. Absolutely. That's why when
Speaker 2: I think it's Faison Love said that Dave Chappelle is
Speaker 2: and funny, and I'm like, he might not be funny
Speaker 2: if you're not intellectual. Dave Chappelle is genius. Dave Chappelle
Speaker 2: is from the George Carlin. He's from that even you know,
Speaker 2: not to be whatever. But his comedy is very very
Speaker 2: brilliant Bill Cosby back in the day, and he's Dave
Speaker 2: has all of that and more. He's like, he's scary Wallace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because George Wallace said something that to me. He said,
Speaker 2: you ever noticed when you move? He say, my wife
Speaker 2: is darker than me. And he said, we were moving,
Speaker 2: found a bottle of sun tann locean. We looking at
Speaker 2: each other like, you know what that type of humor
Speaker 2: that I you know, And then I saw I men
Speaker 2: we played Vegas. He would come on after us, and
Speaker 2: I saw him cut some kids out and everything, and
Speaker 2: he said he was allowing people in the joke in
Speaker 2: the audience to say some jokes and his kids, the
Speaker 2: little kids to them.
Speaker 12: Saying, yo, mam is so fat that blah blah blah.
Speaker 12: And he said, well, what are you doing down there?
Speaker 12: You have your ass and it so wout.
Speaker 6: Your fat ass.
Speaker 12: Mama, your mama, your mama so ugly. The birds fly
Speaker 12: upside down so you have the ship.
Speaker 11: On it like because.
Speaker 6: Right, I loved George.
Speaker 2: I fucking loved Georgia, who was all in the memories
Speaker 2: on the same floor in the dressing room, and that's
Speaker 2: where I ran into Regina King when she was doing
Speaker 2: that Southland and she was killing that pixie she had
Speaker 2: that I was, she was killing that ship. I was like, girl,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like when I saw Gabrielle Union tonight.
Speaker 2: I was telling question no, but she.
Speaker 3: Was having a heart attack and she's like she's I was.
Speaker 2: Wondering, I wonder if she remembers me, because I met
Speaker 2: them all they were like, you know, they're right on
Speaker 2: that Cus twelve thirteen, and so you're like it was her, Kim,
Speaker 2: Phil's and Janet they were all like best of friends.
Speaker 2: And so I met her way back then when they
Speaker 2: were the little kids, and they were like, ohs a
Speaker 2: crush and I was just wondering to know. I was
Speaker 2: like it was like this big and I'm like ah
Speaker 2: and then I no, no, I.
Speaker 3: Just her back with Stuarts. But she was looking at
Speaker 3: me like she's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. But whenever you how you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: how you know where I'm coming from. Elsa is a
Speaker 2: beautiful kid, you know, like I say to her, her young,
Speaker 2: beautiful kid, her too, it's a beautiful kid. And then
Speaker 2: that means you know that I'm looking at her like
Speaker 2: that and not as like some perverted.
Speaker 10: Oh you a area too, you know.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm telling you because I had girls so young,
Speaker 2: I just good for you daughter. I have enough of them,
Speaker 2: that's damn sure. I feel like in some way, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: because I'm they they He'll tell you they're they're they're
Speaker 2: together girls.
Speaker 8: They're having a daughter means that he needs to learn
Speaker 8: some lessons about his life before he.
Speaker 2: Had no because I had him so young, I was
Speaker 2: didn't know anything about life when I was a young father,
Speaker 2: like at fifteen sixteen, married and all that shit. So
Speaker 2: I had girls early, and so they just you learn
Speaker 2: a lot of things. Like I hear guys say they
Speaker 2: might only have one to have a boy and say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know the best thing for man a it's a son.
Speaker 2: And that's bullshit because a father and son it's a
Speaker 2: yin yang. So if the son and mothers like insuperable
Speaker 2: and and my father is like, the daughter can come in.
Speaker 2: So I killed eight people, they must have been fucking
Speaker 2: you know, And and that's a that's an amazing and
Speaker 2: important relationship.
Speaker 1: Well we uh initially thought we were just getting an hour.
Speaker 3: And a half. Well y'all got to know and now
Speaker 3: we have a double episode. So, uh, I'm sorry, Steve.
Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm good, I'm good. How many episodes
Speaker 3: did you do? Doing these two episodes?
Speaker 13: One a nice tour of Electric Lady for the for
Speaker 13: the Sugar Network. But you never asked a question that
Speaker 13: you said was going to wrap up the whole cause
Speaker 13: like you interrupted you so you had some larger you
Speaker 13: had some question that was that was gonna everything up?
Speaker 3: Well it was.
Speaker 1: He kind of mentioned his kids, which was based on
Speaker 1: It's true, I've never I've never been in prison.
Speaker 2: I've never I've never been a heroin autics. There's so
Speaker 2: much bullshit out there about me, but no, there's never
Speaker 2: been in prison, never been a heroin addict, never did drugs,
Speaker 2: never drank, never did none of that.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 2: That's all a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Well, my wrap up question was what do you want
Speaker 1: your legacy to be?
Speaker 2: Just what James Brown and West Montgomery, you Hendrix, You
Speaker 2: you leave great music because that should all outlive everybody
Speaker 2: Like I would get to upset when people say, James,
Speaker 2: but no, we're all gonna fucking eat it. You just
Speaker 2: hope that you live. You leave something that's a mark
Speaker 2: for your children to get their train, because as songwriters
Speaker 2: and artists, that is your that is your your land,
Speaker 2: you know, because think about it how the land thing
Speaker 2: really works. You pay taxes on it the money you
Speaker 2: buy it with, and then you pay tax on the
Speaker 2: rest of your life. This ship that you're leaving them,
Speaker 2: this music and every that intellectual property is like to me,
Speaker 2: the real deal ship. So it's just like, even even
Speaker 2: as tragically as losing uh somebody like like Prince, but
Speaker 2: at least what that catalog like when pep wan to
Speaker 2: hear people go, I don't like that, want to help
Speaker 2: me do that? I'm like, yeah, but if I got
Speaker 2: a catalog, he can't play for three hours and you
Speaker 2: know the B sides because he got a catalog like
Speaker 2: it's Lasi brothers can go play a four hour show
Speaker 2: and it's all hits.
Speaker 9: You know, are you making sure yours is protected?
Speaker 8: Because I wonder, in the American idol sense of things,
Speaker 8: even though you.
Speaker 2: Know, I choke somebody to death isn't even about you
Speaker 2: no more. It's about the It's about your your children
Speaker 2: and and and so you do make sure. That's why
Speaker 2: I stopped making records like the verbal record was supposed
Speaker 2: to be on Universal, was supposed to be on Where's
Speaker 2: Angie Said label? Angie Stone was on uh J Records.
Speaker 2: You No, it was when she did the baby record
Speaker 2: that label. It was supposed to be on that label,
Speaker 2: but they want to it's It wasn't Jay. It was
Speaker 2: out of like We're Laila Hathaways on.
Speaker 3: That label Concord exactly, and.
Speaker 2: They wanted to own the masters and ship and all that,
Speaker 2: and I ain't doing it no more, I said, So
Speaker 2: I said, anything I do, I'm going to own it
Speaker 2: from here on out, going back to bear my nekeds own.
Speaker 2: So that was my first foray into independent. I think
Speaker 2: I printed one hundred thousand through BMG. They sold them all.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm on eBay right now watching a
Speaker 2: copy unopened and it's one hundred and twelve dollars and
Speaker 2: I'm like me, I ain't paying that for that, but
Speaker 2: I just want to see how crazy there's even an
Speaker 2: unopened copy on Amazon for like two hundred and some dollars.
Speaker 2: But I would admit I had to go buy and
Speaker 2: I had to pay forty dollars apiece for that shit
Speaker 2: because I burnt. I sold every copy I made.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I tend to lose records too. Yeah, have
Speaker 5: you ever thought about putting those two albums out digitally?
Speaker 5: Because they're not the the I couldn't find they are.
Speaker 5: I couldn't find Bear my nakeds Home.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's on purpose, but I am it's part of
Speaker 2: the there's a whole thing that I'm going to do
Speaker 2: that I'm actually that's why I'm moving to Vegas. I'm
Speaker 2: not moving to Vegas because I'm moving to Vegas because
Speaker 2: I'm just getting away from everybody and everything and I'm
Speaker 2: ringing the crib. Nobody's gonna Vegas. No, no, no, but
Speaker 2: not that I know. I don't know anybody that I'm
Speaker 2: moving in. No, he lives Miami and things, but I'm moving.
Speaker 2: I'm moving there. Farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, studio,
Speaker 2: no furniture, just the gear, the guitars. The studio are bad,
Speaker 2: and a TV. And I have these three records that
Speaker 2: you don't even know about. He'll tell you that they're
Speaker 2: all new ship and they're just crazy shit and and
Speaker 2: I'm having this campaign behind them. And then after those
Speaker 2: are all done in the campaign's moving, then that's when
Speaker 2: I'll finish the audio book. Because there's so much ship
Speaker 2: that y'all don't know.
Speaker 6: The ugly shit. It's like he really choked the line.
Speaker 5: When can we expect the first of these three projects
Speaker 5: to come out? The first of the first of the
Speaker 5: three projects. They're all coming out the same time. It's
Speaker 5: gonna be a three tier thing, and it's not it's
Speaker 5: not a kickstarter or something to finance.
Speaker 2: Everything will be done. It's a pre sale thing because
Speaker 2: now the way records are now, you know, folks renting
Speaker 2: music and shit, so you and and and they're negative
Speaker 2: not gonna be CDs. That's the all antiquated thing. So
Speaker 2: it's going to be a twenty four bit ninety six
Speaker 2: k every version and saying then and also the same
Speaker 2: versions and you know, wax if I the part of
Speaker 2: the campaign if it reaches a certain number most death
Speaker 2: out of doubt. Yes, So it's got the it's it's
Speaker 2: three album and it's a three tier thing, but it's
Speaker 2: more involved in it. It's like each there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a photo booklet, a colorful lit book booklet that you
Speaker 2: will have in person and the poster. But the color
Speaker 2: booklet will detail everything about the records, like what pedals
Speaker 2: with me playing what I'm doing, what the chords are
Speaker 2: a whole shot like that and I and I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to decide if I want to do it physically
Speaker 2: or if But I know I'm never making a CD
Speaker 2: again because I can't even listen to Verbal on CD.
Speaker 2: It sounds if you hear it in the studio on
Speaker 2: you know ninety six twenty you know twenty forbid ninety
Speaker 2: six K, it's a totally different record. I can't even
Speaker 2: listen to the CD. It sounds so garbage. And so
Speaker 2: what is you spend all these tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars that come up with this bad ship and then
Speaker 2: diither it down to some antiquated bullshit. I'm done. That
Speaker 2: ain't never happening. Then when people like you know I
Speaker 2: see people we want the CD way, you know what,
Speaker 2: get an a track while you at that shit too,
Speaker 2: because I'm not making that, but you will have the
Speaker 2: ability when you get your card you can burn all
Speaker 2: you want. But I ain't making that ship no more
Speaker 2: because I can't hear it. I'm telling you it's terrible sounding.
Speaker 2: It's like I didn't know it would be that bad.
Speaker 2: But because Verbal was cut high deaf and I should
Speaker 2: have put out a high deaf as well as a
Speaker 2: and I think I'm still going to do a vinyl
Speaker 2: of it, but I'm just gonna pick certain things and
Speaker 2: do it on the vinyl.
Speaker 1: There you go, Well, Sarah Johnson, I thank you very
Speaker 1: much for your conscience long over there.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys too for being dreaming so wonderfuhy, I
Speaker 2: answered all the bad questions.
Speaker 3: You answered everything to Shout out to my uncle Jesse
Speaker 3: rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh that's the one you. Oh yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to think you know how. I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out to and and well wishes to his mothers.
Speaker 2: Mike Mike Garcia. Oh really yes, he's a Baltimore might
Speaker 2: love to you man. He's always been just really really
Speaker 2: wonderful and ever you put in the paper regarding all
Speaker 2: of us, he's just been like really okay, shout out
Speaker 2: well Deanna, love you baby.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 9: She was gonna come and she got tired, so she
Speaker 9: went back to Philly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Now I'm just gonna thank Inger for coming and thank
Speaker 8: you all for bringing it.
Speaker 10: That cheesecake.
Speaker 3: That cheesecake was great.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Fanicolot's countertops right now in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and uh, there's there's two other members of this team
Speaker 1: missing today.
Speaker 8: Later, I want to talk to ingri Off, like about
Speaker 8: what it's like to be a woman in this environment
Speaker 8: and not be able to really talk too much? Or
Speaker 8: can you because I don't know because we didn't get
Speaker 8: to talked about her about.
Speaker 5: That questions, But yeah, I mean I can come up.
Speaker 2: With fool year. She's a boss.
Speaker 10: I know she is. That's why I wanted her to
Speaker 10: be able to over.
Speaker 14: How about I come back?
Speaker 10: Okay, where do you live?
Speaker 9: I live in New Hampshire.
Speaker 10: I live a few hours.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you come back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime now that we know you're here.
Speaker 9: Yeah that I'm still alive.
Speaker 3: Yes we are. I do have a new record coming out,
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 10: Yes, I do?
Speaker 3: You do?
Speaker 9: I'm coming out, should be out by the end of summer, okay.
Speaker 3: And then you have like, what three albums already?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you calling it? January twenty first?
Speaker 9: It's going to be called Memories of Flying.
Speaker 3: So what was May nineteen, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 14: It was just a date that we picked that was
Speaker 14: around the time that we were, you know, creating the
Speaker 14: album artwork and stuff. But it was just meant to
Speaker 14: be like a lot of my records are are like journal,
Speaker 14: you know, entries, and that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, all my songs, so it's like journal. We will
Speaker 3: do a proper ingroage.
Speaker 1: And now that we know you're here, all right, y'all,
Speaker 1: that that makes for another exciting conclusion. Quest Love sagree
Speaker 1: with Jess Johnson, would also like to think of vez
Speaker 1: we were stopping them, Drew dropping a lot of duels, uh,
Speaker 1: the Apple Sugar, Steve and Boston Hill and Laia and
Speaker 1: the rest of the QLs family. And thank you for listening,
Speaker 1: and we will see you the next episode on the
Speaker 1: next Goverram all right, see you later. Quest Love Supreme
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