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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode candad spoilers for Day Devil Born Again

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Speaker 1: season two, episode three. It's getting crazy.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jasonconcepcion and I'm Mersey Night and welcome

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Speaker 1: back to ext for reviews on the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep movies, comics of pop culture. Company from My

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Speaker 1: Heart Work k three episodes week past News.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are recapping episode three of Dad

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Speaker 2: Evil Born Again Season two. Now this was a double drop,

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Speaker 2: so if you missed our recap of episode two oh

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Speaker 2: two that came out yesterday, you can check it out. Now.

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Speaker 2: This is our recap of episode three, The Scales and

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Speaker 2: the Sword, And of course afterwards we were bringing into

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Speaker 2: We will bring in super producer Aaron to ask us

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Speaker 2: some heated Born Again questions.

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Speaker 1: Episode three, season two, The Scale and the Sword. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. New York City's is occupied territory. The task

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Speaker 1: Force is just marching through the streets with their armored

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Speaker 1: personnel carriers and rounding people up. Meanwhile, in Frank's basement, Karen, Karen,

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Speaker 1: did you get this? What's going on? Where Karen has

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Speaker 1: dreamed about things happening with Franks, many things. Karen is

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Speaker 1: trying to explain to Matt how it is that she

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Speaker 1: came to have a Task Force guy as her hostage.

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Speaker 1: I do it there and she goes and she says, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I know this looks crazy, but just talk to him

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Speaker 1: because I think there's something different about this task Force memory,

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Speaker 1: like he's a different guy. They take the hood off him,

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Speaker 1: and this task Force guy is like, I want to

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Speaker 1: join the Resistance. I think fiscus crazy. The task Force

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Speaker 1: is out of control, Like, I want to help you.

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Speaker 1: I can beat your guy on the inside. And Matt's like,

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Speaker 1: stop lying a bit, and then he turns. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: He's like, stop lying. You've bastered you Nazi faster than

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Speaker 1: he turned the character. He's telling the truth, the truth.

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Speaker 1: So the guy like just spills. He's like, I'm assigned

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Speaker 1: a red hook. The crews there are unloading all the

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Speaker 1: crates off the half sunken Northern Star. My name is Saunders.

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Speaker 1: Here is my task Force. I d this will get

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Speaker 1: you into the port, but just be aware they change

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Speaker 1: the code every day. And listen again, like, I want

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Speaker 1: to join the Resistance. I think this whole thing is crazy.

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Speaker 1: And Matt's like, well, I'm gonna have to beat the

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Speaker 2: Now to make it seem believable.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you go back to the are gonna have

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Speaker 1: to I'm gonna have to kick your ass a little bit. Okay,

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Speaker 1: give you some CTE. Just show you up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So sorry, sorry bro, and then just knocks him out,

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Speaker 1: and I guess that's fine. Can you just okay, black guy?

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't think I felt like it was a

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Speaker 2: bit excessive, but especially since you're just in a basement

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Speaker 2: of a school, like anyone can find you here like that,

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Speaker 2: it's not that deep.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Heather is at home bugging out.

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Speaker 2: Can somebody does she have a friend in the world?

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Speaker 2: Does she have a girl friend?

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Speaker 1: Chicken text? Does any woman in this show speak.

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Speaker 2: To another woman? Like without it being about a man?

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Speaker 2: The Bigdale Tale test fails, but it's fine. It's still fun.

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Speaker 2: But also, like, just call someone head though, like, do

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Speaker 2: you know even Hannibal Lecta had a psychiatrist?

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Speaker 1: Baby, right? How do you not have a therapist? So

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Speaker 1: she's hanging pictures in her apartment and she's failing, she's hearing,

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Speaker 1: she's hearing voices, she's feeling weird, and then she opens

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Speaker 1: got music's mask which she didn't have. Give that back.

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Speaker 1: That's evidence, the evidence locker and the triggering and she

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, We have had many conversations

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Speaker 2: with super producers like In and.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, But like they're leaning into Heather becoming a new muse.

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Speaker 2: That's very clearly like this kind of idea of like

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Speaker 2: she's staring at the mosque. She's gonna become a killer.

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Speaker 2: But is she gonna kill vigilantes? Is she gonna kill humans?

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Speaker 1: That's that's where I think she's gonna go. I think

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Speaker 2: Happens when Matt Murdo breaks up with you and you

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Speaker 1: Like, come on, guys, it is it is a problem.

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Speaker 1: The next thing, at the courthouse, she runs into McDuffie

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Speaker 1: and they chat about the Jacques Duquine trial. McDuffie is like,

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Speaker 1: Ultimately he's a good guy and Fisk, you know, is

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Speaker 1: You know, like what's going on? And Heather just basically

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen a massive apartment where she's

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Speaker 2: This specific moment because a lot of what American like

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Speaker 2: Like what if it happened to you, Like, don't worry

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Speaker 2: then surely you would hate everyone, every criminal, Like if

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Speaker 1: She is being escorted in by Agent Cole, Taskforce Officer Cole,

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Speaker 1: So they go down there and we see all the security.

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Speaker 1: Ducaine is going to be the very first trial, the

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Speaker 1: opening trial in the upcoming Vigilante Tribunals tribunal meaning no jury.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be like a panel of judges aka fass bitches.

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Speaker 1: In this case, it's not this is not legal under

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Speaker 1: And then Jacques is like, well does he even need

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Speaker 1: the Task Force have been rounding in the cages that

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Speaker 2: When these are not These are like what we've seen

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Speaker 2: of Duquaine so far as he's in like what you

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Speaker 2: Even if it's they've got a giant vice next to

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Speaker 2: And there's no way all those people have superpowers either,

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Speaker 2: Like there's just no that would be.

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Speaker 1: A huge, huge, Oh, it's like kind of exupension of

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Speaker 2: It's basically Fisk's way of, you know, cleaning up the

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like Angela's aunt, it's like somebody who

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Speaker 1: Karen is in Frank's basement and she is put pictures

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna go to like a movie premiere, you

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Speaker 2: You're gonna wait a lot. And then it's like you

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Speaker 1: Dan, I love you.

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Speaker 1: But he's like, why don't you have this other? Well

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Speaker 1: And Dan is like she's cleaning, she's cleaning the little

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Speaker 2: You're in the sass right He drops it, like, listen,

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Speaker 1: I know you're in special Forces in England. And Buck

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Speaker 1: Why don't you use your intel ability to figure out

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Speaker 2: And then Buck was like, well, fucking do it, like

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Speaker 1: But what we need? So we get another mayor kingpin

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Speaker 2: Ways like that. He's rich, you know, that's just like

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Speaker 1: But you know what, good him. That's a that's kind

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Speaker 2: A distraction but it like it is, but it's also

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Speaker 1: I thought that was great.

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Speaker 1: Because of McDuffie talking about her meeting with Ducane at

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Speaker 1: The judge is absolutely crooked. This whole tribunal is crooked.

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Speaker 1: So eventually the verdict comes down and of course it's guilty,

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like the same reason that the jurors

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Speaker 1: It's like they were at the premier because they've both

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Speaker 1: and Vanessa's like, congratulations on your one werful to Cane report.

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Speaker 1: Shila is Iago from now we're mixing metaphors. Shila is

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Speaker 1: Iago from Shakespeare, you know, ready to turn coats. And

431
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Speaker 1: Buck is the loyal knight who will do anything. Sir.

432
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: The governor gets up, makes a toast of Fisk, and

433
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Vanessa says it basically a toast to Fisk and his

434
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: staff in a way that is clearly pointed as a

435
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Speaker 1: way to say, like, hey, good job with winning the election,

436
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: but I'm keeping an eye on you. And Vanessa says,

437
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Speaker 1: I'm here now, Yeah, I'm here now the big dog

438
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: is here, and Vanessa turns to Wilson, is like the

439
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Speaker 1: governor's testing. Meanwhile, Ma goes to Red Hook where more

440
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Speaker 1: crates are being unloaded. Powell is overseeing it all, and

441
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: he tells the Steve Adors who are unloading the shit

442
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Speaker 1: to go back to the area where like the of

443
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Speaker 1: the dock where they hang out and just go wait there.

444
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: They're all like we want to go home, Like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

445
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: go wait there's nothing this yeah, nothing ominous about that,

446
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: but just go wait Over there, mcduffee is drowning her

447
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: sorrows of the loss in the bar. She warns the

448
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: bartender not to cut her off because she's she needs this.

449
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Someone bumps into her and she finds a note in

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00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: her pocket and it's She goes to the office to

451
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: meet Matt, and Matt is like, I need help, I

452
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: need please help me. He's got it on open. Yes.

453
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: Mcduvy's like, I can't get into this resistance shit with

454
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: you because it's exactly what Fisk is waiting for to

455
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: take us down. And Matt says, listen, not that tell

456
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: me everything you sensed and heard and smelled when you

457
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: went into Red Hook to meet Choca Kine. So this

458
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: is how Matt knows where like all the doors and

459
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: all the stuff is when he goes to Red Hook.

460
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Speaker 1: He goes over there with Saunder's key card. He's he

461
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: beats up the task force. Guys, it's fucking great, And

462
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: when he breaks in, he hears ticking explosives in like

463
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: a cargo container and realizes this place is set to blow.

464
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: He finds the room with the cages and is like,

465
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Speaker 1: I got to evacuate all these people before this whole

466
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Speaker 1: place blows up. Ducaine is there, of course, in a cage.

467
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: He lets the k it out, as like, Jock, help

468
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: me get these people out, and I.

469
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Think Angela is I'm like, is Angela there? Well, yeah,

470
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: let's talk about because Matt's fucking people up in this

471
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: scene right, like we're seeing a lot of fighting.

472
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Wait and then knives and then knives start flying out right?

473
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: Is this dead evil? And also like his it seems

474
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Speaker 2: like someone has sort of like a.

475
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Speaker 1: Scorpion esque like knife.

476
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: Chain that you can pull back, and we're like, is

477
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: mac killing people? Because there is this really great moment

478
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Speaker 2: where he says, oh my god, like there's normal people

479
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: in here.

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Speaker 1: It's not just vigilantes, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I felt like in that moment, I was like, fuck,

482
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: like is he is this like his breaking point?

483
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that is what it is.

484
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Speaker 2: I think like we're meant to think it's decks or

485
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Speaker 2: we're meant to think it's someone else.

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Speaker 1: And then I guess, well, as they get outside, yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: what happens makes me wonder. So everybody heads for the

488
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Speaker 1: exits and by the way just to peek behind the curtain.

489
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: We have screeners for like a week, so we have

490
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Speaker 1: to watch everything before the show debuts. We're not able

491
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: to watch in real time, and so you have and

492
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: our screeners, by the way, have our have our email

493
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: addresses printed very huge across the middle. And his ability

494
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: can be an issue sometimes like it's not, you know,

495
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: like sometimes they're in in broadcast resolution, other times they aren't.

496
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: So if you have any better information, if you have insight,

497
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll let us know, and let us know

498
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: in the discord or wherever correc anyway. Outside, Karen is

499
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: realizing from the inside reaction inside the port that it's

500
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: all going to shit. Matt's fighting people, there's guns going off.

501
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: She arms herself. She heads over to the noise, and

502
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: then she like, all of a sudden, here's something in

503
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: this like pile of junk near her, and it's Angela

504
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: and the White Tiger get up with the amulet and everything.

505
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: But I just want to say now that I didn't.

506
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. This is all comics accurate, and I've you know,

507
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the White Tiger going back a long

508
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: time in the comics. It never really dawned on me

509
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: until the live action depiction of the White Tiger and

510
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: Angela that the White Tiger, a uh, a Puerto Rican superhero,

511
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: has their superpowers through a huge medallion gold because I

512
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: like the gold, like fucking tiger piece. It would be like,

513
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: you know, like if Dominica guys like had their like

514
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Cuban link chades and like superpower. It's something incredible about this.

515
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I never picked up on this, but it's like incredible. Anyway,

516
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: It's Angela and she's in the White Tiger get up

517
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Speaker 1: with the Amulan and everything, and she's with some Yeah,

518
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: so that's where I'm like, that's where I'm like, was

519
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: that Angela just now? But killing people? Not to mention,

520
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: Angela is like, well, my aunt is in there. I'm

521
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: trying to rescue her, and here's like a task Force

522
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: guy walkie talkie and a gun. Then I got off

523
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: a right, So that's giving she was actively like this

524
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: little like four foot eleven like murdering teskports guys, which listen,

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00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, but still, uh, it was a

526
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: little murky what happened anyway, So Karen makes contact with

527
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Matt and he's like, I'm getting all these people out.

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00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Powell and the goons show up, and he immediately is like,

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Speaker 1: just shoot everybody, just kill everybody's killing Yeah, we were

530
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna blow him up anyway, just like shoot everybody over.

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Speaker 1: So they just like open fire. Like Karen drives a

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00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Task Force Bradley fighting vehicle over extremely yeah, Mat and

533
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Matt and Jack are beating up guys while Karen is

534
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Speaker 1: shooting Task Force guys in the legs and Matt is like,

535
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: get him out of here, to du Kane. So Kine's like, Okay,

536
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how to drive this thing. We'll figure

537
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: it out. He drives them out of the port while

538
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Karen and Matt run for it and Karen's fucking land

539
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Rover defender. I didn't know Karen was making money like that.

540
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: That's an expensive coll I'm saying.

541
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Speaker 2: Like doing I'm like, did frankly that the huss.

542
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: He said some money, Frank, I'm sure has money, but

543
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: he just doesn't spend. Do you think, like Frank that

544
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: hardware is expensive? So I don't know. He must be

545
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: like like vigilante in the Peacemaker universe. I think he's

546
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: killing mob guys and just taking the cookie, taking that money.

547
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Speaker 1: That's why I had definitely So, Angela is in the

548
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: back of the Bradley fighting vehicle with all the evacuated prisoners,

549
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: and she's got these knives that she's like toying with,

550
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: which again leads us to believe that it was her

551
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: that was killing Task Force people. I'm like, I would

552
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: love to see an Angela Dex knife team up. Let's

553
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: see it. The child the child matter to them with

554
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: the child matter, I would love to see it. Well,

555
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Rosie. It's giving reshoots, right, Like,

556
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: I think that originally it was supposed to be Decks

557
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: and then something.

558
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Happening to do something different. I agree, I do think so.

559
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: I do think that White Tiger, Angela's White Tiger was

560
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: always meant to be in this and I do think

561
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: that the show feels way more coherent than the first

562
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: season where it was chopped.

563
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Up by reshoots.

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Speaker 2: But yes, after everything, the like the Tea's that they've

565
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: had with Decks and everything, I do feel like maybe

566
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: this was meant to be a Dex appearance, maybe ended

567
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: up coming in a different time than they wanted, But

568
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: either way, nice.

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Speaker 1: To see these guys get the shit kicked out of them. Yes,

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: then the explosives blow up. All the stevedors who are

571
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: told to go wait over by the cargo are fucking dead.

572
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Matt hears them like being evaporated and their bones like

573
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: turning into dust from Karen's car, and he is sickened,

574
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: of course by this as the Northern Star finally kill them,

575
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: kill the ball. He killed them all.

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00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Let's this is so, this is just so funny to

577
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: me because like this is just exactly what mister Charles

578
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: told him to do. So now it's also like, is

579
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Speaker 2: like is the kingpin now at the behest of the

580
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: American government? Like is he doing it to avoid the issues?

581
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Like it's a very interesting choice.

582
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I think that's clearly what mister Charles's presence says is like, listen,

583
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: don't forget you're the contractor, You're not the boss. Anyway,

584
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, Let's have Aaron come in,

585
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: and let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Every hour.

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Speaker 1: And we're back. Welcome super producer, Aaron, Aaron, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. What were you confused by the Angela thing?

589
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: It's Angela, right, who's throwing the knives and killing the guys?

590
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was Matt fast, Aaron, who did you think?

591
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: I thought it was Matt solo and just like utilizing

592
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: a new form of the Billy Club or something, but

593
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: then Angela coming in later.

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Speaker 1: It does make me think, you know, and.

595
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: They do a lot of close ups on a little

596
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: flicky knives flick knives.

597
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: It is like I would have hoped if our first

598
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: real action with her was going to be a little clearer,

599
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: And I would love it if we aren't like questioning

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00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: whether or not it's her.

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00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: She deserves like a nice hero moment. I think.

602
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: So, I'm hoping, like my head canon is it wasn't her,

603
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: so that we get a better intro later, but it

604
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: definitely could have been.

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: It's a very weird. It's a weird way to deploy her,

606
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: which leads me to believe that it is some sort

607
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: of reshoot, just because like from a purely storytelling angle,

608
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, you you you wouldn't have two characters use

609
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: knives throwing knives. You just wouldn't do that.

610
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like, as well we before, we've whenever

611
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: we've seen her, she's very she's like a very proactive character,

612
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: Like she broke into McDuffie and she broke and then like,

613
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: here we see that she's there, So it's kind of

614
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: funny to not see that she would have like met

615
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: up with dead Evil inside and been like, hey, I'm

616
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: taking on the White Tiger mantle. So it does feel

617
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: like there's a little something missing there for sure, or

618
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Matt would have told her little clarity.

619
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt would have if she had been in there

620
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: and they interacted, and he would have been like, hey,

621
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: go get Karen, she's outside.

622
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, would have been like stop killing people, don't do that,

623
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: which you know he loves to say. But I am

624
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: loving tiny, tiny white Tiger. She's so funny, she's so smooth.

625
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: I just support her so much.

626
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: I do think Matt is kind of like Matt's the

627
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: new Street level Nick Fury. Like I think it was

628
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: episode one when we talked about has Matt had the

629
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: most romantic entaglements in the MCU. He's also interacted with

630
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: the most people. I feel like he's Yeah, He's fought

631
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: Shee Hulk, he fought Echo, He's dealing with everybody in Defenders.

632
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: He hung out with Spider Man for a little bit.

633
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: Like Matt has seen everyone.

634
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: Matt he met, he met even Happy in that sequence,

635
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 2: like he met May, So I do think you're right.

636
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: He maybe is the biggest connector of this phase since

637
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: they reintroduced him.

638
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: Back your thoughts on the episode, Erin in general, I

639
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: love this one.

640
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: I thought that one was really good, and I thought

641
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: two was good, but this one really brought a lot

642
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: of things home, and like, this was a great if

643
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: you were gonna double up on episodes, this was a

644
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 3: great one.

645
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: I I was gonna.

646
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about this scene a little bit, but

647
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: like I loved Heather and Buck at the dinner table,

648
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: like breaking down the political court. It felt like that

649
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: was the I think the show has always tried to

650
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: have really compelling action, really compelling legal scenes, and now

651
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: they're trying to do the politics, and that was the

652
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: first time I felt like that's really worked.

653
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole.

654
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: Dinner scene very uncomfortable, you know, with with like the

655
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: toast and the rush toast to get in and like

656
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: anticipate this moment and Vanessa like revealing to Fisk, you know,

657
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: she's scared of you.

658
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: This is like, this is a whole game about this.

659
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 3: And I thought that that dinner scene was a great

660
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: point of tension in an episode that also had a

661
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: boat full of people blown up and killed, and yet

662
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: like the dinner table was one of the most exciting things.

663
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: I actually think you're right, and I'm interested.

664
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we know now that the reason that

665
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: they changed the release schedule, or at least later revealed

666
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: the true release schedule is because of this Punisher One

667
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: Last Kill special. But I really did think like a

668
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: lot of the early feedback from some of the bigger

669
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: kind of influencers in the space was like, oh, maybe

670
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: the first couple of episodes are a little slow, but

671
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: I did.

672
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: Not feel that at all. But I do think that.

673
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: Momentum and motion wise, this is very clever to do

674
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: the first episode, which is such a banger, have these

675
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: two that workers are really good, Like here's the world

676
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: building and then here's the action and the peak of

677
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: what you need to know when you're going into the

678
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: rest of the season. And also as well, I really

679
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: like the way that they still work to make the

680
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: people within Fisks Camp empathetic at least as characters that

681
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: you want to keep watching. That doesn't mean you have

682
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: to love them or condone all their behaviors, but like,

683
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: it's not a lot of shows would have an interaction

684
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: like that between Buck and Heather, like two side character

685
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: essentially like sociopaths, but you get this such an interesting way,

686
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: even the way that Buck sees himself is so far

687
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: removed from reality.

688
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I think they do a good job to your point

689
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: of obviously like simplifying but depicting the kind of dynamic

690
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: that happens to characters like institutionally where it's like, you know,

691
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: this is like Hackmann kind of like understands this is wrong,

692
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: even though he's totally like bought in. But the judge

693
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: on the the middle judge on the tribunal, Sheila, there

694
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: are various characters who like, no, this is fucked up.

695
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: But I think they're making various rationalizations to themselves, like hey,

696
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Fisk on the rails, or I'm just would

697
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: be worse and I wasn't here. I would be worse

698
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: if I wasn't. The people did vote for this, therefore,

699
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: like I am serving the like the people, despite the

700
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: fact that I disagree with you with the administration. So

701
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I think that they do a good job of that

702
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: of showing of humanizing people to your point, in Fisk's office,

703
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: who for different reasons are just kind of like going

704
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: along with it. Like, I think Dan is an interesting

705
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: case because he understands that he understands that this is

706
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: fucked up, but also he's like the glamour of power

707
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: and and the being close to like where decisions are made,

708
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: being you know, like to to that Hamiltonian the room

709
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: where it happens. He's like intoxicated by that, despite the

710
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: fact that he knows it's fucked up.

711
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: And I think that's very human. You know that Blake

712
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: was like fucking so excited. He was like hard when

713
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: he researched Buck and had this information that he was

714
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: going to swing back at Buck and be like, hey,

715
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: I know a little bit about you. Can you teach

716
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: me make me better too? Because I found out a

717
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: little bit about your history, which I love their little

718
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: romance and I'm sorry to call it a romance. So

719
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: soon after saying that he was hard, after learning he.

720
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: Got there, he got I'm a little sandwich. You know,

721
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: he did his thing. I would also say.

722
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: As well, like what I really like about you know,

723
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: We've always been talking about the Daniel character and it

724
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: felt very real in season one with everything going on.

725
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: With Dodge, and then now it feels like.

726
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: So interesting to see a character who is both completely

727
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: aware of what is going on, but also I think

728
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: has a very realistic mindset of a young person, which

729
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: is like, well, on, all of these people corrupt, so like,

730
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me making some money off this corrupt guy?

731
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: R like?

732
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: And I think that is like such a uniquely like

733
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: gen Z kind of mindset that they put across to

734
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: where it's like, you can still enjoy Daniel because like,

735
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: we know, he.

736
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Must know that it's beep yes right.

737
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Now, but he's fucking protecting her even when his head

738
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: could get squashed, so that brings his like there's an

739
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: element there that ends up coming back around to almost

740
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: like a heroism, which I think is so interesting and

741
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: complex when we saw the kind of terrible.

742
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Shit he's done in the name of a Fisk, and

743
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I think.

744
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Those are the choices they make in this show that

745
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: makes it really stand out from a lot of the

746
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: kind of black and gray lack of moral complexity that

747
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: a lot of superhero stories have.

748
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: And even in the MCU.

749
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: It's often like, well, Tony Stark used to be a

750
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: bad guy, but now he's just a hero, you know.

751
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I kind of love how messy all of this is

752
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: because also Matt can, as we joke about all the time,

753
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: you know, he can complain all he wants. He can

754
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: claim that he doesn't kill people, blah blah blah, but

755
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: that motherfucker's injuring people. He's ruining people's lives. He's giving

756
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: them hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical debt.

757
00:41:52,040 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: Like everyone here, I I have begun to wonder about Matt.

758
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: I do think that we're going to a good place

759
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: where the show is going to like grapple with these

760
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: issues head on. And I think so sort of grappling

761
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: with the fact that, like is Matt like actually effective,

762
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Like is anything he does effective at all? He's not

763
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: lawyering anymore. He's been fighting the same villain for six seasons.

764
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, he is getting fucking nowhere, Like I have

765
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: now he's the man. He's like this might be a

766
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: step too far, but I think of Matt. I've been

767
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: thinking of Matt this season so far as like a

768
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: mainstream democrat. He's he's like fighting the fight from ten

769
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: years ago. Every all of his super villains, all of

770
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: his foes are only getting stronger and only winning more.

771
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: And corrupt and following rules that not following rules that

772
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: he claims to follow, which rules he's he's.

773
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Following the rules to a degree that hurts him and

774
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: breaking them to a degree that doesn't help him. It's likely,

775
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: so what are we really like actually accomplishing. Meanwhile, everybody

776
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: around him is like, I don't know, Matt. I mean,

777
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Karen is fucking him and is like, I wish you

778
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: were more like the punisher exactly.

779
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: Like also as well, I do think that there is

780
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: like I love that comparison, Jason, because I do think

781
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: that you're right.

782
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: Because also it's like the fucking philosophy, you know.

783
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: One oh one questions like would you go back in

784
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: time and kill baby Hitler? And Karen's like, baby Hitler

785
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: is here and he's a huge old man that you've

786
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: been buying. Just kill him, like like please, like, And

787
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: also I think that you're right because I actually, hilariously,

788
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: speaking of screen equality, I had to go back and

789
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: listen to that moment where Matt says he killed them,

790
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: he killed them all, because I thought Matt said, we

791
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: killed them, We killed them all by doing this mission,

792
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: by the fact that Matt is the reason they fucking

793
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: blew up the ship in the first place. Like in

794
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: that way, it reminds me of Democrats who are like, oh, no,

795
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: people are dying in this war. But it's like, but

796
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: you're actively voting for more war, You're actively voting.

797
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: For more money.

798
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: Like Matt, he loves to distance himself, but he doesn't

799
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: love to actually like critically look at how his own

800
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: actions have played into the situation.

801
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: And obviously that is not us saying like, oh, Matt's

802
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: such a bad hero. It's just this is why I

803
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: love this stuff. It's very interesting because and you know,

804
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's like Matt is adhering to a system that

805
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: like is not applicable currently anymore. The state of New

806
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: York City. There's tribunals happening with no juries. The task

807
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Force is just like snatching people. Fiscus has a literally.

808
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: Just saw people in case fret. He loves he loves

809
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: saving rich people. So he's like, oh, Jack, you're there.

810
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: He loves when he can he can get someone from

811
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: the other side and he can have them join his party.

812
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 3: That he loves that. Yeah, this is a good comparison.

813
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: I like this a lot. He's always reaching and so

814
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, you just like I I think that the

815
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: show is grappling with that, like how effective, Matt, How

816
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: effective are you by the fact that like everybody is

817
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: on his ass about doing do something different, either show

818
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: up for work as a fucking lawyer or kill people.

819
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: But do something fun. But pick a lane because like

820
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: this middle of the road kind of stuff. And listen,

821
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, we love it when you when

822
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: you fucking break a task force guy's arm in three places,

823
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: that's cool, But is it really having an effect? Is

824
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: it having any kind of effect at all? And I

825
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: think that that is an and and and further, like

826
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: you're a symbol of the resistance, so to speak, but

827
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: you're not, like there's no This is another criticism that

828
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: I think is there maybe consciously or subconsciously, you know,

829
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I think like modern progressive left politics is like this

830
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of leaderless grassroots thing where like no one steps

831
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: up to be the leader. I think part of that

832
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: is like consciously like a just a distrust of leadership

833
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: and also like a reaction to people getting assassinated, you know,

834
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies. But I but I personally

835
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: would argue that leaderless structures are like not effective. And

836
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: it's like Matt so like, why don't you lead this

837
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: thing that people imagine want you to.

838
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: Resistance needs a lead to, like fucking step up. Catnus

839
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: Ebandeene could step up. She was like fifteen, bro, like,

840
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: just become the fucking dead evil of you know. I

841
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: loved earlier when somebody it was the I think it

842
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: was Ariana, the lady from the Greek restaurant, and she

843
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: said him, oh, you know, the lawyer of Hell's Kitchen.

844
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I love that, Druale. I think it's like, that's who

845
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: you can be.

846
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: You can be. Are you cases your cases anymore? But

847
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: it's like you can be That's what you need to be.

848
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: You need to be the lawyer that scatoff because look,

849
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: if you can't get them in call maybe at night,

850
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna come and slit your throat. Sorry, but that's

851
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: what New York needs right now. Okay, call it Angela,

852
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: call it Decks.

853
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: Get rid of the Nazis and then and then reseat Matthew.

854
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: He would arguably he'd be a more effective symbol as

855
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: the lawyer who risked his life to save Fisk, his

856
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: hated opponent now public the people who were kidnapped, Like yeah,

857
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: obviously there's.

858
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: He like, has this weird that's the other Like the

859
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: undercurrent of this is that Fisk and matt have a

860
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: weird thing. Oh very joke, a batman, Get over it, guys.

861
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: They're protecting each other in weird ways that no one

862
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: can fucking truly explain the fact that Fisk is it

863
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: like Matthew burdog is gerdo put that all over the

864
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: fucking newspapers. That would be like literally for his thing,

865
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: and he just like.

866
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: But then everyone would be like he'd be like, then

867
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: he'd be in a situation where it's like, well, how

868
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: can I be going after the men who saved my life?

869
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: But he could make.

870
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: The same argument because even though he saved my life,

871
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: which is a great personal honor to me, I still

872
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: believe he's a vigilanity.

873
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: It needs to be stopped.

874
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: Both of them would gain more from being honest about

875
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: their situations, but instead they do have this kind of

876
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: limerence with each other almost where they just they can't

877
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: really imagine what it would look like to not have

878
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: the other one around. And I think that that is

879
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: really the big issue that they have to grapple with

880
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: moving forward, because also as mister Charles has said multiple times,

881
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: like Kingpin is just like a baby's fish in a

882
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 2: baby pond that is essentially irrelevant outside of fucking New York.

883
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: So when you expand this to a multiversal situation, like

884
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: where is Matt, how does Matt deal with that? Like

885
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: what happens to Kingpin when he is in a situation

886
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: where he no longer is the big fish? Like, those

887
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: are things we need to think about as we head

888
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: into the wider MCU these characters. But the show is

889
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: just like so freaking good that I'm just excited to

890
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: see where.

891
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: No, I think it's it's like we said in season one,

892
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: which I think was a choppier show. Definitely the it

893
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: is a complete like all the ridiculous things even are

894
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: so comic bookie, like if you if you came straight

895
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: from a Daredevil comic. This show makes a lot of

896
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: sense in the choice. Yes, anxiety depicts things, and I

897
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: love that about it, specifically with how they've melded that

898
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: feel with a commentary on current events, like a very

899
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: cutting and obvious, not subtext commentary on current events. I

900
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: think it's great. Also, should we talk about Who's gonna die? Yeah?

901
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we get to that, I do think that

902
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: this episode in particular serves a lot of characters really well.

903
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: And the one character I think who's getting left out

904
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: is Vanessa. I think in season one this show hasn't

905
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 3: this season hasn't been Vanessa. In season one, like it's

906
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: revealed she took over the operations, she was a queen pin.

907
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: She was like almost a rival to Fisk. There was

908
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: this weird, which I love, sexual interplay of them competing

909
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 3: for control and who's going to have like the upper

910
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: hand within family.

911
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: He kept her secret lover in the basement and they

912
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: were like getting off on it together. Like that shit

913
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: was good, that psycho sexual weirdness.

914
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Now I don't know what she wants.

915
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 3: Well, now she's arranging the seating, that's her big thing.

916
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Like it definitely feels like she had a large part

917
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: to play in season one, and she's always been, you know,

918
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: a character who is based around Fisk.

919
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: But it just feels like right now she has nothing

920
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: to do. She seems bored. No, I do agree.

921
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: I think the one thing I think they touched on

922
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: her that could keep working is the way you said, like,

923
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, she's placed she was arranging seats. That's true,

924
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: but in its own way to kind of the same

925
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: way she's whispering and Fisk spear and causing those problems.

926
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: I feel like her machinations and control of Wilson could

927
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: be a really interesting way to take this. But I'm

928
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: getting weird vibes, Like from the last episode where she

929
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: was having the visions and everything, I was like, is

930
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: she gonna be sick? Does she have a brain tumor? Like,

931
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure where they're taking it, but I

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: am missing that Vanessa Fisk relation psycho sexual relationship. But

933
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: I do think that's also partially because they've kind of

934
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: switched that over to the relationship between her and Dead

935
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: like him and Dead Evil.

936
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: Now, I wonder if I wonder if they just it

937
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: seems like they didn't have her for it feels like

938
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you could have filmed all her scenes in like four days.

939
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: I did wonder that too.

940
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: It's a It's an intriguing issue because she is usually

941
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: one of the best things about the show. So I

942
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: do think it's an underutilization and that actually leads perfectly

943
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: into Deadpool because she is high on my list now, baby,

944
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: I think after this episode, they they don't they don't

945
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: know what to do.

946
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: With her like they just I think very easily with her. Okay,

947
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: so let's talk about it. Let's Rosie. You're so, you've

948
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: got Vanessa.

949
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So so mine before from last week was Daniel,

950
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: Bbi and Cherry. Cherry.

951
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking about you this episode. You're off.

952
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: You've survive because I'm not thinking about he might be dead.

953
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: We don't know Vanessa.

954
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: She's out. I'm keeping Daniel.

955
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: I think I think that sadly, I've watched enough incredible

956
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: uh Italian American crime drama, gangster type programming and movies

957
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: to know that any kind of food, if you share

958
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: food with someone, there's like a weird symbolistic moment. I

959
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: just feel like that's sharing between him and Buck and

960
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: him trying to show Buck that he had one over

961
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: on him and stuff that was just like you're you're

962
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: seeling your fate there. But I will say I'm gonna

963
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm not putting him in, but I do think there's

964
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: a minor version that it could be switched and know

965
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: what I'm putt Daniel. Putting Daniel, I do think there's

966
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: a version where Daniel could kill Bob. I do think that,

967
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: So I'll leave Buck.

968
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Buck there this time. I'm going to

969
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: mix it up a bit. BB.

970
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: You're surviving today because I've been thinking about you. But

971
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: I do think there's a version where Daniel could kill

972
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Buck or Buck will kill Daniel.

973
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: I will say I I'm gonna I'm gonna put Vanessa in.

974
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: I said last week that it was Karen or Vanessa,

975
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: but I'm leaning Vanessa and I think it's clearly going

976
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: to be Vanessa again. The the the Frank Matt Karen

977
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: Love triangle is to just us up and they got

978
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: to lean into that next season. I do think it's

979
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: BB or Dan still, and I'm gonna leave it BB

980
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: or Dan because there's also you know, they've they've been

981
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: foreshadowing that it's Bebe as well. Yeah, yeah, they have.

982
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: As much as I love Bibe, she's got the I

983
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: love the fervor. She's not the smallest chat. She's not

984
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: doing this in the best way, and she needs a

985
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: signal grape Chat. The Buck thing is interesting because it's

986
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: a little Vanessa ish in that we don't know anything

987
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: about him. This is it struck me in that great

988
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: scene with the meat with the two meatball subs, which

989
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out, like, where are these

990
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: meatball subs from? I guess just probably the deli, right,

991
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: I think they're hot dogs, Jason. I think it's like,

992
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: are they hot? I feel like hot dog is Uh,

993
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: they were too big to be hot.

994
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: They're big. They're big New York street hot dogs.

995
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: I think. I think twelve.

996
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like a much more New York thing. I

997
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: in my head, No, but like the.

998
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: Length, okay with around they were too wise. He's got

999
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: he's got like all the things you need. You need

1000
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: a sub pole, guys, I'm putting it. Okay, maybe they

1001
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: hate it. I just saw a lot of bread. That

1002
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: was my man.

1003
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: They didn't look like it didn't look like something to

1004
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: be sitting out on the desk and leaving it.

1005
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: This is I don't know, Dan. Yeah, they had like

1006
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: the white it seems like they the white paper with

1007
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: the foil on the outside. Like I'm it feels like

1008
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Daniel also is a meatball sub guy. Anyway, it struck

1009
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: me in that scene that that was the first time

1010
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: we really got anything about like where the fuck buck go?

1011
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of the comix where we know he's an assassin.

1012
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: Like that really was off us like in universe explanation.

1013
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: So you're right, Jason, that does make him a good

1014
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: contender for.

1015
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: Death, and so I'm gonna put him down as a contender.

1016
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: It's so I'm gonna go Vanessa, b B or Dan,

1017
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Slash and Buck, Yeah, as potentials, all potential. Vanessa, I'm

1018
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: sure b B or Dan, I know it's gonna be

1019
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: one of them, I think. And then Buck. It just

1020
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: feels like it's a Vanessa assue where we're not getting

1021
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot about him and it would be an easy

1022
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: cord to cut. I mean, the Vanessa choice is because frankly,

1023
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense, like it would activate

1024
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: Kingpin's character too much, and also is very powerful. Fridging

1025
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: is extremely powerful. And also she's got no ties to

1026
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: this plot whatsoever.

1027
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: No, And that's the other thing is I will say, Man,

1028
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, me and Jason have talked about this quite

1029
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: a lot, but this is like a pretty close adaptation

1030
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: to like some of the kind of big fisk oks

1031
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: in the comic.

1032
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: So in that way, I do think that you added good.

1033
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they send her to the Sewer to go live

1034
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: secretly as the sewer. Remember that, Oh my god, could

1035
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: you imagine she lived, Aaron, she lived like secretly deep

1036
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: in the sewers. Knew where she It's like a different

1037
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: area of the sewers, and he like knew where and

1038
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: would go and get like and talk to her sometimes.

1039
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: But like she was like hiding out from Fisk, like

1040
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: deep in the sewers. Anyway, No, I agree. What do

1041
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, Aaron, who's your death? So I'm I'm

1042
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: a little torn.

1043
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: I think regardless of whether Daniel was eating two hot

1044
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: dogs or two meatball subs, that's that's not good for

1045
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: your cholesterol. I think Daniel's like that. But more seriously,

1046
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: I started to like Daniel in this scene, and I

1047
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: think that's a bad sign. I think that's like, that's

1048
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: a bad So I think that I think Daniel's days

1049
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: are are numbered. I think Governor McCaffrey, I think that

1050
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: she is a true threats. And I could see, you know,

1051
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: I could see the task force, or I could see Heather,

1052
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: or I could see Vanessa. Maybe Vanessa does get something. Yeah,

1053
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: So I think McCaffrey, I think Daniel, and wow, I

1054
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: think Vanessa is the.

1055
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: Third Sorry Vanessa and Daniel looking bad, looking bad for

1056
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: you guys on on that pool. I would say that, Aaron,

1057
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: I love your governor pick because I also do think.

1058
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Clearly yeah. The rule too, which is like, if you

1059
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: watch a lot of murder.

1060
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: Mysteries like I do, or slasher movies or whatever, like

1061
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: a lot of times the most famous person is either

1062
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: the killer or the victim.

1063
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that they just pulled out Lily Tomlin like, hey,

1064
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: she's a governor. I was like, oh, Lily Taylor. Sorry, yeah,

1065
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: I was like, this is I was like, this is

1066
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: giving you.

1067
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: May get killed, Like that's a guest star appearance, you know,

1068
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: and Lily Taylor kind of credit.

1069
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 1: So I think that's a good call. On the next

1070
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: episodes of X ray Vision, there's gonna be more news.

1071
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: We're covering more shadow Lord and of course teen coverage

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Speaker 1: of Ardo Warner. Again, that's it for this episode, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks for an x Ray Vision is hosted

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Speaker 1: by Jason SEPs Young and Rosie Knight and is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. Our producers are Common Laurent,

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Speaker 1: Dean Johnson, and Bay wack A. Theme song is by

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Speaker 1: Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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