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Speaker 1: Always Unpluggers, Forgotten Scabs.

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Speaker 2: What is up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 2: Forgotten Seasons. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfus. Today we

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Speaker 2: really got a great one my guy, Booby Gibson on

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Eastern Conference champion Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 2: I know I said this week was gonna be Bonzie Wells,

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Speaker 2: but truth is he kind of ghosted, So we're still

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Speaker 2: trying to schedule that one out. Getting ghosted by Bonsie

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Speaker 2: Wells is just a part of life for me now,

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Speaker 2: and I guess I'll take it. But we'll get that

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Speaker 2: one done soon for you guys. But today Kaz talk

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Speaker 2: with Booby. Obviously, the main storyline of this season is Lebron.

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Speaker 2: He has the defining moment of his career to this point,

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Speaker 2: scores the last twenty five points for the Cavs in

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Speaker 2: Game five of the East Finals versus Detroit. But what

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Speaker 2: people forget is that in Game six, up three to

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Speaker 2: two at home, Lebron struggles and Booby steps up big time.

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Speaker 2: The rookie goes five for five from three and finishes

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Speaker 2: with thirty one points to send the Calves to their

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Speaker 2: first finals in franchise history supporting caves For this squad.

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Speaker 2: We got Anderson Vera, Jaw Bigs and Drew Nisse, Ilgawskis,

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Speaker 2: Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Eric Snow. Cleveland finishes with

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Speaker 2: fifty wins, Number two seed in the East, number four

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Speaker 2: defense in the entire league. A recurring topic by talking

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Speaker 2: heads even to this day surrounding those early Lebron Calves

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Speaker 2: teams was that the supporting cast sucked. Booby said they

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Speaker 2: heard this, but also gives his counter to that take,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was pretty fair. He walks us through

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Speaker 2: a postgame conversation with Lebron after Game five of that

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Speaker 2: Detroit series. Lebron tells them Booby, they're gonna double me.

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Speaker 2: I need you to be ready, and Booby was ready.

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Speaker 2: So we really got a great one today. I hope

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Speaker 2: you guys enjoy reminder dropped that rating in a review.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it now. Forgotten Seasons with Daniel Booby

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Speaker 2: Gibson on the two thousand and seven Calves begins right now.

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Speaker 2: We got Daniel Booby Gibson reliving his rookie year two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven East. You're Conference champion, Calves first of all, Booby,

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Speaker 2: how you doing to that?

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I've been following

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Speaker 1: your page for a little bit. Love what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Let it you shine a light on because it happens

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Speaker 1: a lot. Like guys have incredible seasons, and it's so

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Speaker 1: many guys coming in and out of the NBA that

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Speaker 1: just forget about so so I think it's dope. I'm

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Speaker 1: a basketball not you just like yourself, know about every player,

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Speaker 1: every team ever. So I'm excited to be on the show. Nah.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man, I appreciate it. Before we get

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Speaker 2: into the two thousand and seven season, we're almost ten

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Speaker 2: years removed from you kind of retiring from the league,

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Speaker 2: getting away from the Calves. But big news coming up.

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Speaker 2: You're actually going to be going back to the Calves.

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Speaker 2: I'll pitch it to you. Can you just talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about, you know what you got in sore

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Speaker 2: with Cleveland. You guys just got big superstar trade Donovan Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Tell the people a little bit about what we can

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Speaker 1: Man. So, like the opportunity is still in the works,

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Speaker 1: but for the last like since I retired playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: What I can say about Cleveland. I love them so much.

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Speaker 1: They've just taken care of me. Whether it was the

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Speaker 1: ambassador opportunity or whether it was the fiftieth anniversary they

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Speaker 1: had me come back for an All Star game and

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Speaker 1: playing a celebrity game. They just always kept me a

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Speaker 1: part of the circle. And so this summer I joined

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Speaker 1: the ACP program, which is the Assistant Coaches Program, just

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Speaker 1: and it kind of see like, Okay, how can I

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Speaker 1: He was like, Boob, I didn't know that you was

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Speaker 1: from there he invites me to Summer League. I go

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Speaker 1: And it's feeling like it's sounding a lot like Cavalier

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Speaker 2: That's dop main. Congratulations, man.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible feeling because you know, some guys play

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Speaker 1: it means the world to me, which is why I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to do anything you know, they need moving forward

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Speaker 1: for these young guys and just showing that like Cleveland

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Speaker 1: might not be a hot spot for free agents, but

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Speaker 1: it's a hot spot for guys that want to build

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Speaker 1: of the career and have longevity in our game for sure.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think the ceiling is for the

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Speaker 2: now they can contend in the East.

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Speaker 1: I can't be biased and put them all the way

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, my basketball cap on, because the East is loaded.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got your Milwaukee's, you got your Phillies,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we'll finally get over that hump and

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Speaker 1: get in the playoffs this year. You know, we got

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Speaker 1: a moby, I mean, in my opinion, I feel like

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Speaker 1: he was Rookie of the Year last year. No, no

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Speaker 1: it all works out, But I do think I think

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Speaker 1: the ceiling for them is four five in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and we get a taste of it, and then who

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Speaker 1: knows what the future house. It might add a small forward.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I saw, I saw he was just at Ohio

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Speaker 1: That'd be hey, hey, one thing about it, It is

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Speaker 1: what I mean with with him potentially bringing Bronnie too

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Speaker 1: and Bryce too. That's you just never know what the

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Speaker 1: but I think we'll be in a position of participately

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll be looking out for the Calves. And it's

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Speaker 2: so dope that you're going full circle today's purposes. We're

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Speaker 2: going back to the beginning of your Cleveland, Jersey journey

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six oh seven, your rookie year. You

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Speaker 2: go forty second overall, second round to the Calves. You're

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Speaker 2: year before they lose in seven in round two to Detroit.

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Speaker 2: This is your four for Lebron. Surrounding you and him,

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Speaker 2: you got Larry Hughes, Verajaulgauskas, Eric Snow. Do you just

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Speaker 2: kind of paint the picture like what what are those

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Speaker 2: first memories of whether it's like summer ball, training camp practices,

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Speaker 2: your rookie year with Cleveland before the season starts?

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Speaker 1: So I actually I got an exclusive for you. So okay,

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Speaker 1: it's because my first workout was for the Rockets, which

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Speaker 1: I wouldin asked me, and no draft from that workout.

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Speaker 1: got you got that work out out, the jitters, the nerves,

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Speaker 1: all that you got it out. You was the home

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Speaker 1: all your other workouts, you know you're gonna do better

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Speaker 1: than that, right, So my next workout is the cave.

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Speaker 1: Go to the cave. You got lebron in the in

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Speaker 2: They Yeah, it was. That squad was actually stack They lost,

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Speaker 1: So coming in Broun is like he had been playing,

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Speaker 1: but he was still in the gym, right, and so

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Speaker 1: I can and a lot of guys in in that

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Speaker 1: And he was like that's a great question. We actually

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Speaker 1: feel like you would be a great fit by a team,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way you shoot the fire, the what

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Speaker 1: you call it X y Z. So I'm like, cool,

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Speaker 1: you know, we had a great meeting. So I leave

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Speaker 1: there and my agents he called, I'm talking about I

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Speaker 1: growing up. He's like, man, what did you do? In there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I just just did my I did, I

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Speaker 1: did Boobie. I wasn't there just this board out and

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Speaker 1: be at the four, but basically play him as the one,

430
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then we would have Andy Andy set

431
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: the screen. But then you would have me out there,

432
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you have Damon Jones out there, and you have Danielle

433
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: Marshall out there, who get about who was who was

434
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: who was ahead of his time in terms of being

435
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: able to shoot the basketball. So if you got when

436
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: you had that crew on the floor, that's why when

437
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: you go back to Game five when Brown goes off

438
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: for forty nine or the twenty nine straight when he

439
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: does that, think go look at the guys that are

440
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: spacing the floor for him. You got down Yell in

441
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: the corner, You got me on the wing, and I

442
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: forget you might have had I forget who's on it

443
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: maybe Sasha, like you said, on the other side. But

444
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: it depends on those lineups. Yeah, there's really nowhere that

445
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: you can help on the floor. So we kind of

446
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: we kind of created our own space, had our own

447
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: shooting lineup before it was even a thing. So I

448
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: feel like that would have been the lineup that I

449
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: would go with, but it would have just been I

450
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: felt like we would felt more comfortable just letting threes fly,

451
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We were still a little

452
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: a little hesitant to just let him fly the way

453
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: that they do now. But with a team like that

454
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: with Brin at the point, we could have we could

455
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: have made some shots, some high numbers. I believe if

456
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: we would have had the opportunity too.

457
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that, like like planning out young Lebron

458
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: in that and like yourself, even in the modern league,

459
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 2: like if teams know and coaches knew, like maybe it's

460
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: not a good idea to have two big men that

461
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: can't shoot on the floor with Lebron together, Like can

462
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: you imagine just how how tough and really because you

463
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: said in Detroit will get there later, Like they literally

464
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: could not touch him because if you do help, you

465
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: have shooters in the corner and they're old at that point.

466
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 2: I mean, can you just imagine like a young Lebron

467
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: in this modern free flowing offense.

468
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: I cannot. I cannot, because even Lebron that we have now,

469
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: yeah you know what I mean, Yeah, still twenty years

470
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: later doing the same thing, and man, he just had

471
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: this bion what has but even greater then this is

472
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: just bionic left leg.

473
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: Man.

474
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: They like whenever he whenever he wanted to take off,

475
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: or whenever he wanted to like whenever they would double

476
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: up he Man, he took me just the greatest basketball

477
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: player that I've ever been on the floor with. Man,

478
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: it's just his i Q. His physical size and his

479
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: abilities at that level just made it's so hard to stop.

480
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: Man.

481
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: They like the the I saw a teams stroke everything

482
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: at this at this guy, from from the big to

483
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: the to the double teams, small forwards, and it was

484
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: just nothing that you could do with him. So I

485
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: can just all imagine as the game continued to expand,

486
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: if if they caught him a little bit earlier, just

487
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: just how much damage he would have been able to

488
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: do on the floor. I mean, he's still killing everybody,

489
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's hard to say with

490
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: somebody that that that that it was the game at

491
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: this level that he would have done better. But yeah,

492
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: it would have been a crazy thing to see.

493
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say. So I want to

494
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: just get right into the Piston series So finishing out

495
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: the regular season, you go fifteen and thirty two, two

496
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: seeds in the East, number four defense in the league,

497
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: number eighteen offense in the league. You mentioned you take

498
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: care of the Wizards, sweep them in the first round. No,

499
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: Gilbert Arenas, you have passed the tough net squad with

500
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: j Kid and Vince Carter in the second round.

501
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Say, don't act that. Don't sleep on that squad because.

502
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: What do you speak? Talk on it? Talk on it.

503
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: No, because a lot of people just act like we

504
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: just had this cake walk, you know what I mean?

505
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt it. Like the what people always say

506
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: now is the East was weak.

507
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean that you can no way do y'all know

508
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: that the starting back whipt that was you know that?

509
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: Do you know that was Kid, Jefferson and Carter? Right, Yeah,

510
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: they're just gonna just skip over them three like them.

511
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm just relaying information.

512
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: We gonna act like they didn't go to the Fighters

513
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: and play against when they had Katemore Shaq and Kobe.

514
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: You know, God, we go act like that didn't happen.

515
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: But nah, Like that's Braun having a deal with Vince

516
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Carter and and Jefferson for an entire series and killing it,

517
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: like basically killing it, you know what I mean. And

518
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: then the next one, the next, the next level we

519
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: go to. We see this Pisson team that did the

520
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: same thing. Like they've been to the finals, They've been

521
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: that battle tested. They got pretty much the same the

522
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: same exact crew. They know how to play together, and

523
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: we basically just getting our introduction to that that level

524
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: of basketball like brun hadn't. That was just second time

525
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: really experiencing that that level of intensity. So yeah, I

526
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: just don't be I just be trying to make sure

527
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: people don't get away with the idea that that it

528
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: was just easy for him to get it done, like

529
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: he he ran through a couple of walls to get

530
00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: to that.

531
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: So Eastern Conference Finals. The Pistons, you said, they have

532
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: the same core. They don't have Ben Wallace, but to

533
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: feel his spot is Chris Webber, So you're basically swapping

534
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: out one Hall of famer for the other. Series is

535
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: tied to two on the road, Game five, and this

536
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: is when the defining moment of his career to that point,

537
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: scores twenty five straight to close the game out, finishes

538
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: with forty eight. I mean, giving it every way you

539
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: mentioned they're throwing everybody at him. I was watching, like

540
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: they put billups on him, they tried prints, nothing's working.

541
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Mag What do you everybody? What do you?

542
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you remember? What are the

543
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, the images or plays in your mind that

544
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: that when you think of that game. Just what comes

545
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: to your mind?

546
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Man, I said to mus And you know what, when

547
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: you in that moment, I didn't know he had twenty

548
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: five or twenty nine straight. I just knew that, Like

549
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, Michael Jordan is alway being

550
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: like like my my goat, Like he's been like my

551
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: the guy for me. But what I'm watching right now,

552
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: when I'm witnessing right now, I'm like, it's Jordan's gonna happen.

553
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: Jordan days is to go. His numbers, His days are number.

554
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, like, because I'm like, there's just

555
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: no way, like God, try to guard him. When I

556
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: knew it was a problem when he started making that

557
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: three and making that jump shot, like right at the

558
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: top of that left when they were when they would

559
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: bag up a little bit and he would knock that down.

560
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: At that point, It's really literally nothing you could do

561
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: because when they tried to come up, we saw what

562
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: happened in and out and that's one of the images

563
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I remember when uh, he comes off the pick and

564
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: roll and I believe it's Max Field somebody for the

565
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: in and out and that right hand, I tell you,

566
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: that left, that bionic left leg took over. And when

567
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: he when he dunk that one, it was just like

568
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: the whole air went out of the whole building. Because

569
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: I think every player on the other team knew like

570
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: it's literally it's nothing we can do. And they I

571
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: think they were hoping that like, Okay, we might have

572
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: lost this one, but if we can get out, we

573
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: can get one in Cleveland, like we've gotten one there before.

574
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Like I think they still felt like after that game

575
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: they would get one. But the defining moment for me

576
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: was after the game I fouled out. I followed out

577
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: that game, you good fo. I foled out that game

578
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: trying to guard you know, tay Shine and rimping all

579
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: those guys. They posted me up every chance they got,

580
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: so I fill out. But after the game, Braun came

581
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: up to me and he goes, he said, be ready

582
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: to shoot, right, be ready to shoot this game? Like

583
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna double. I know I already know

584
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: what to expect. Be ready to shoot, don't don't think

585
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: about it, nothing else, let it fly. And so like

586
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh like bid like bud,

587
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: just like this is my moment. Like you know. So

588
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: I come to the game, and even before the game,

589
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: because I wasn't playing like a whole lot of minutes,

590
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: we would like get up and down before the game,

591
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: get going five on five, and I was shooting the

592
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: ball pretty well before the game, were playing a serious game.

593
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: And so by the time the game started, man once,

594
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: once one of them, one of them dropped for me.

595
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was a game where

596
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: I was like I got and one or something. I'm

597
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: like being on my chest on the floor at that point,

598
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: as loud as that arena was, I heard nothing. I

599
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: ain't here, and I was so like locked in to

600
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: the moment. And he just like he caught it. Every

601
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: time he touched the ball, I saw everybody turned towards him.

602
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: Two guys. All I did was the slide, slide to

603
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: the open spot, fly to the open spot. He would

604
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: either hit the guy and they would hockey assisted, or

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: he would just come straight to me with it, and

606
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: yeah once once, I once, I had a couple of

607
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: them go in. It was just it was just one

608
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: of those nice I don't think I missed the three

609
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: pointer that night, And yeah, I think my hearings started

610
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: back working at the end when I was at the

611
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: free throw line and everybody was like oo oo we

612
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: like that moment. I still get ghostbumps when I think

613
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: about it because I think that was that was just

614
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: the moment where like Cleveland hadn't been to the final.

615
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I want to say, since what sixty five? I believe

616
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: it was like never, right, never? Yeah, So that's I

617
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: think that's why where me and like the Cleveland Lure

618
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: where we just we got locked in for life. Leaving

619
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: that game, I'm trying to coach Brown hit the infamous

620
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: saying if you better watch out, if you better not

621
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: leave them open because it's booby for three. I try

622
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: to leave the game. I'm being I'm I'm just I'm

623
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: a rookie. I'm excited. I stick my head out the

624
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: car like yeah yeah, like when we get ready to leave,

625
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: and so like a mob, but just Cleveland fans like

626
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: comes to the truck, they got they about to flip

627
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: my truck over outside. It was like it was like

628
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: one of those nights like we had just want to finance,

629
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: but to that defense, we had never experienced anything like

630
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: that before in Cleveland, and uh, I'm just glad that

631
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like that was one. That was the night that I

632
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: that I had my best professional game in the close

633
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: out game. I felt like that was it was destined,

634
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: and it was destined.

635
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: There got to be like surreal almost.

636
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I still live. I still when I go to the

637
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: games and they play it back. When I think about

638
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: it right now, the feeling, the feeling of that moment,

639
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: it don't really leave. It don't really leave because you

640
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: don't you believe that it happened. But it's still unbelievable

641
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: that it happened, you know what I mean. Like it

642
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: was his first time going to the tip and nobody

643
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: expected us to beat those guys. Nobody expected us to

644
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: win and get to that and get to that championship,

645
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: but we did. We felt like we weren't we weren't

646
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: afraid of them. We had played them before, we had

647
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: been in our close games with everybody all year long,

648
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: so we felt like we can compete with any team

649
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: in the league. So yeah, that was one night to remember.

650
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Sure, So yeah, then talk about it. You get past

651
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: the Pistons, you get that done, and then waiting for

652
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: you is you know, the season, multiple time champions Spurs

653
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: and you get swept. But to be fair, those last

654
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: two games were super close. Game three, Lebron, this is

655
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: the three you lose by one in game four, But

656
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what was it?

657
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Go for it now, you're good. We thought we could

658
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: beat them too. Let's just start with that. We but

659
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: at that point we just I don't think we knew

660
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: just how talented the West was to you know what

661
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we had played some had a couple

662
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: of games on the West, but you go back to

663
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: start looking at some of that that that Western Conference,

664
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: they were pretty pretty talented to Like you said, you

665
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: get to the Spurs and you you really going up

666
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: against a well oil machine. Like they've been there before.

667
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: They understand it all. Larry Hughes. Now, even in the

668
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: game against Detroit, what I left I was Larry Hughes

669
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: playing that with uh a torn I believe planner fasciitis

670
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: the whole time.

671
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: So I heard that's like one of the most painful

672
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: injuries you could have.

673
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be in the game as a decoy,

674
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of like Chris Paul was that when he heard

675
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: the should glad couldn't give us nothing. But they respected

676
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: him enough to, you know what I mean, stay away

677
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: from him and not and give us something on the floor.

678
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: But he didn't have nothing nothing for us. And I

679
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: want to say, a few other guys with her. So

680
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: we left into into that finals. And again for me,

681
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I still feel like for Lebron necessary growing plays. Right,

682
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: you go up against the team like that and then

683
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: you understand then like, Okay, it's one thing to get

684
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: to this level, but it's a it takes a whole

685
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: another level if I want to win an NBA championship.

686
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: And so in his story, I felt like it was

687
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: necessary because I remember Tim Donzan said to him. He

688
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: was like, thank you, thank you for giving us this

689
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: one because we know it's early in your career.

690
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: That's what he said. That that picture after you, That's

691
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: what he said to him.

692
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said to him. He was like,

693
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: thank you for giving us one. Like we we this

694
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be your league for a long long time.

695
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: We just we just happened to catch you. You know

696
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Early on, so he knew, we all knew,

697
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: and I was, like I said, I was just thank

698
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: for to be a part of it. Even some of

699
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: those press conference moments that I had with him, it

700
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: was just it was just surreal as a rookie. And

701
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: he always had me right under his wing, always hype

702
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: hyping me up, always telling me how good I could show,

703
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: how much I was ready for the moment. Even if

704
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for the moment, he was psyched me out,

705
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to believe that, like it

706
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: was my time and that's my brother till this day,

707
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, for that reason, Like he definitely took care

708
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: of me. I mean, the reason I got my bag.

709
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say it. I wouldn't get a

710
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: bag without the King. Hey.

711
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: He he got a lot of players in the bag. Bro,

712
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: you're not You're not the only one. But that's hey,

713
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 2: that's that's that's that's dope. Well that finds me. You

714
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: you played big minutes, you go up against the Parker

715
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Genobli back or are you mostly guarding Tony or Manu

716
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: or both.

717
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: That was my introduction, my introduction.

718
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: To you're you're welcome, Welcome to the NBA.

719
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: To the real, to the next level. You know, like

720
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I have played, I played against us, you know I have.

721
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I have played against him in the summer, so it

722
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal. He posts you up, make shot

723
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: in there. But Tony Parker at this time so shiitty,

724
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: so so much quicker than you. We and then you

725
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: think he is with the little crossover spinm move that

726
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: he'd hit you with in the paint and he's not

727
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: bigger than you, so you thinking like you got to cover.

728
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: But as in the paint score, floaters lay dishes one

729
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: of the best, one of the best to ever do it,

730
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: being able to get I think he might have been

731
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: the guy that really introduced the floater to the game,

732
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: the way that the way that it is shot now.

733
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was just a lesson for me, just

734
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: a lesson in point guard ability and a lesson in

735
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: the hierarchy and that it's levels to this game. Like

736
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: you might have had you your fun in that last round,

737
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: but they didn't know how well. They didn't respect how

738
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: well I shot the ball in the Detroit series. I'm

739
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: just a rookie. They're not thinking that he's going to

740
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: be able to do this in game six, And I

741
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: think that's what Chouncy said. He was like, we asked

742
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: for somebody to beat us, and the kid, the kid

743
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: did it. Like they didn't they didn't expect that from me.

744
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: But I go into sad tell me, they're like, hell no,

745
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: we're not give you nothing for free anything. You know,

746
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: they didn't give me many uping shots and we switched

747
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: our rotation. They had me starting because Larry was hurt,

748
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: so they started me a couple of those games and

749
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm people don't understand I would get a

750
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: lot of my shots because in the second group, when

751
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Braun and those guys will go out, they would just

752
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: give me the ball like here, come off, pick and

753
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Roll's gonna run this place for you, run the screen

754
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: for you. So by the time Lebron then came back in,

755
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: I had I had already got my shot stuff that

756
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: got my got everything going. But when you start, now,

757
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: y'all said with Lebron d Drew, now I gotta be

758
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of get them shots and kind

759
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: of way from mind. So like the rhythm, rhythm was off,

760
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: rhythm was different, so it was just you know, it

761
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: was a tough series for us overall, but I think

762
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: we were happy that we got there, happy that we

763
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: put put Cleveland on the map to get started.

764
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, I imagine you're a young team, you

765
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: make the finals. You're not a super young team, but

766
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: you got Lebron. He's only getting better. You probably expect, Okay,

767
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: you know we'll be back. You know, this is the

768
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, this is just the first one. But then

769
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: the summer after that, the East, which you know, which

770
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: you know you were pretty much set to be on top.

771
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: The landscape of the league completely changes. The Celtics big

772
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: three forms, KG and Ray Allen come in and now

773
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: you're saying, all right, you know shit, like you know

774
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: that this is what we have now. So you're with

775
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: the Cavs with Lebron for three more years. After that,

776
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: you don't make it. You don't make it to the

777
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: finals again. What do you think kind of held you

778
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: guys back from not allowing you to get to get

779
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: to that point? Was it just, you know, you guys

780
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: were still developing, and now you have these three Hall

781
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: of famers. Orlando is also coming up. What kind of

782
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: what held you guys back those next three years.

783
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean kind of like kind of like what you

784
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of handed to it. We handed

785
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: to or I feel like we had we had a

786
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: good core of players. We had a great role players

787
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: if you will, on the team. But as you can see,

788
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: the league at that point was starting to turn towards

789
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: dynamic duos and having guys that like, if Lebron's not

790
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: doing his thing, having having somebody else that can pick

791
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: up that slatform, and teams not be able to just

792
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: key in on one guy. And you know, for Lebron,

793
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: I just felt like we made we made deals to

794
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: try to h to play, I mean, to make sure

795
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: that he still had guys around him that could compete.

796
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: But we never really got that other guy that could

797
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: stand next to him. You know, we had Mo, who

798
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: was an All Star that Bron made, Bron made all start. Uh.

799
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: We tried to get Wally, we tried to get We

800
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: even added Ben Yea. We tried, we tried a few

801
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: different things, but we never that That's just in my opinion,

802
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: we never added another guy that could take the pressure

803
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: off of him and create for other people as well.

804
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: And so I honestly felt like that was after he

805
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: dealt with Boston and then dealt with the Magic, and

806
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: he was just like, you know what, Like, I gotta

807
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: I gotta figure this thing out because I don't think

808
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna come to Cold Cleveland with me, So I'm

809
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: gonna go out here to Miami, you know what I'm saying.

810
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: With some guys that, again, that can compete at that level,

811
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: with teams that are kind of putting teams together to

812
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: beat him, right, they put that team together for him,

813
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't knock him for it. I was

814
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: mad about it initially, just as a competitor. You don't

815
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: want you know what I'm saying. Guys felt like they

816
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: gotta lead to win. But overall, we know that the

817
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: NBA is a business and any one of us can

818
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: get shipped out to another team like that, and you know,

819
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: they don't ask you if you want to go, you

820
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So he didn't have to tell

821
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: us that that's what he was doing. But him being

822
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: my brother and him being the guy they always is,

823
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: the love never changed, you know what I'm saying. He

824
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: still was, He's still he's still my brother. And even

825
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: in that game we played against him, when he came back.

826
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: We had like a couple of moments that we shared

827
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: our on the floor that was like I like he

828
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: left me, but you know, you know, I'm still come

829
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: at so hey.

830
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: That was I think people forget when when he left

831
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: from the owner down, Yo, that was crazy though.

832
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: It was ugly man and and stemming from what we're

833
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: talking about that season, think about that, like we felt

834
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: like we didn't got it out the mud. We'dne fought

835
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: together in the trenches and then you know, all of

836
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: a sudden, like I'm out. And then he said when

837
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: he said it wasn't just that he left. He left

838
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: later in free agency, so we weren't able to get nothing.

839
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: We didn't even add up. We didn't even it wasn't

840
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: just that he left. We didn't even add a small forward.

841
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: We like got a small like I don't know, I

842
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: want no disrespect to I want to say my brother

843
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Joey Braham, I think might have been who we who

844
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: we had to like replace him with at that time.

845
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And it was just like, yeah, we went from here

846
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: to here pretty fast, and that was just what the

847
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: what the what the the anger was because like Cleveland

848
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: is like a true sports town and all it has

849
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: is is is sports and they grab onto you type

850
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: like the Indians. I think they just changed the name

851
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: the the Cavs and the brown like if you, if you,

852
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: if they love you, they love me. But if they

853
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: don't like you, you're gonna know it they hate you.

854
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: And so uh yeah, that was that was a pretty

855
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: pretty tough time, the transition. I went from winning the

856
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: finals to plan on. I think we lost like twenty

857
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: games in a row, twenty five games in a row.

858
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Uh, it got it, got it, got it got ugly fast.

859
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: That's how that's how life works though.

860
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: Right yeah. And also that but that's why the fans

861
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: love me, you know what I mean, That's why we

862
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: share that bond because I never waivered. I never still

863
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: came out played every game, still less of it, all

864
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: on the all, out there on the floor, in every situation.

865
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: And I think that that's why we still share what

866
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: we share because I was we went through all of it,

867
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: all of it together and then full circle. I wasn't

868
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: on the team when they won the finals, but I

869
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: was there. I was, I was at the game, I

870
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: was in the suite. I was there when they when

871
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: they when it, when it came full circle, so I

872
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: got to feel that too, which was fun.

873
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: That's dope. Kind of just closing out. I mean a

874
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: few years ago you opened up kind of about the

875
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: the end of your NBA career and everything you went

876
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: through with the death of your grandmother, going through a divorce.

877
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: I think just you, myself and a lot of people

878
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: are wondering. You seem great right now, but just talk

879
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: about kind of maybe the mental health side of the

880
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: game that we don't see. John Wall I don't know

881
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: if you saw a few weeks ago.

882
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Kind of opened up about.

883
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: His situation, which wasn't very different than yours, Like you know,

884
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: uh first off, just like you know, how's your headspace

885
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: right now? But uh yeah, talk about that that mental

886
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: health side that we as fans have no idea what's

887
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: going on there.

888
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to command you got me a little. I

889
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: had completely I was in the happy zone. No not

890
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: so not not in a bad way at all. But

891
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to say I commanded John Wall for it.

892
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Ain't even commanded Kevin Love for it, because as I

893
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: was going through it, it was it was. It wasn't

894
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: as talked about. It was more you know what I'm

895
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: saying kind of tatboot when you mentioned that sort of thing,

896
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, kind of like with John wall experience

897
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: when you get injured. I broke my foot. I tore

898
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I tore it the tendon that connects the bone to

899
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: the ankor on the left side on my foot, and

900
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: so they had to like fuse it together. So it's

901
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: like a three months, tax month process. But I was

902
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: going into my contract year when I broke it, and

903
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: so I broke it paanning on coming back talking to

904
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: my agent about that, and then in the comeback, I

905
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: had tored my miniskus, so it's like shit, so you

906
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: do that one. And then, like you said, at the

907
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: same time, I'm going through my divorce, finalizing my divorce,

908
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how often I'm gonna be able

909
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: to see my son, but I can't really move because

910
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm beat up at the time, right. And

911
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: then on top of it, my grandmother, who actually had

912
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: mental health issues before, I wasn't able to get back

913
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: home to see her do to everything that I was

914
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: going through, and then she passed away. She was one

915
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: of the women who helped raise me. So it was

916
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: just like just like an Orange slaugh of life, just

917
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: negativity and I just didn't have an outlet. So I

918
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: just it just kept sinking, kept sinking, kept sinking, and

919
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: just mentally like I was just out of it. And

920
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: so after like a year year and a half of

921
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: trying to get back, trying to hope, I just like

922
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: my body's not responding the right way. I'm not, so

923
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I just had to take a step back. And a

924
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: lot of people tried to try to throw me under

925
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: the bus and say like I quit basketball to like

926
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: make music or something weird like that, when in actuality,

927
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I was able to create music and write songs that

928
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of changed my mentality as far as what I

929
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: thought about my life and who I was, what I

930
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: was capable of, and it really shifted me back into

931
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: the person that you see now, the confident, the smiling person,

932
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: the person that lights up that room. It was all

933
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: because I was just able to get in my music

934
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: and in my writing, and so that's kind of what

935
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: shifted it back. And that kind of led to, you know,

936
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: some some TV stuff that allowed me to stay active

937
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: and I did the Challenge, I did some love and

938
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: hip hop stuff and I did you know, some entertainment

939
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: stuff to kind of continue along and find ways to

940
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: stay a part of the game. But a lot of

941
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: people it really hurt me that a lot of people

942
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 1: thought that, like I just didn't care about basketball no more,

943
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's kind of what

944
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: I was able to show the Cavs and just show

945
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: everybody now that it's come for circled it. They had

946
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me not want me quitting basketball

947
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: for something else. It's just life, just said basketball, it's

948
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: just the physical part of it. You just might not

949
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: be able to do no more. But it took a

950
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: minute for me to accept and understand that. And I'm

951
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: always open to having these type of conversations because it's

952
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys to deal with that. And a

953
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: lot of people look at us like just because we

954
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: got a lot of money, that we're not human, that

955
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: like the money's supposed to like fix all of those issues,

956
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: and like, how can you be sad when you got

957
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: millions in the bank. It's like yeah, but like when

958
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: you losing everything that you love, when everything that you

959
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: love is like literally being taken away from you, you

960
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with that. And most men,

961
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: we just go on to a corner and try to

962
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: hide until it goes away. And so I share it

963
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: because I just want anybody that could be dealing with it,

964
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: that might be struggling with feeling so negative, to know

965
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: that like, it's just a matter of you changing your

966
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: perspective and finding ways to bring that joy back out

967
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: and it's still possible for you to smile and have

968
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a great life. And so I try to be the

969
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: postal boy for that. So I wasn't saying that you

970
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: shift the energy to self negative, but I want. I

971
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: love having that conversation just so that if anybody that's

972
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: watching this can feel like, Okay, if he did it,

973
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: it's possible me to do it too. And that's megan

974
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: to the NBA or making it out of out of

975
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: a dark space, because yeah, I'm not the biggest guy,

976
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: even I made. I made some things happen in my life.

977
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: Absolute bro. I think that kind of puts a ball

978
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: on it better than I could ever do it.

979
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

980
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's super important to talk about

981
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,959
Speaker 2: that stuff. And John Wall you mentioned Kevin Love, uh,

982
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's also what this kind of media

983
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: stuff allows. My hope is for fans and people that

984
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: watch you play, you know, watch you light up the

985
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: pistons for thirty one. You know that's that's a part

986
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: of you, but that's not nowhere near like the whole story.

987
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: So just hopefully like trying to give people a chance

988
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: to see you and other players like just as regular people,

989
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: because hey, you know, we're all humans that were really

990
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: not not very different when you when you boord.

991
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: It down absolutely absolutely, and sometimes you just need to

992
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: know that it's not just you. It's not just you

993
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: is going through it like, there's a lot of us

994
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: going through it. We might be able to put on

995
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: a happy space. You might think that like, oh yeah,

996
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: life's is great, but he's probably going through the same

997
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: thing as you are, So don't feel like you alone. Man.

998
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of love.

999
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: I hear.

1000
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people that love me, So I

1001
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: defin any time I can spread that word, I will.

1002
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having me. I love, love, love

1003
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: what you're doing with the page. Man. I feel like

1004
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot of players and a lot of NBA

1005
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: moments that could shoot could use a little light. So

1006
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: thank you for having.

1007
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: For sure, thank you for your time man and again

1008
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, uh special season, say you it changed your life?

1009
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: Is this kind of was six o seven? Like when

1010
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: you look back on your whole basketball career, is that

1011
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: like moment number one?

1012
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: That is that is the moment d moment that changed

1013
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: that that changed my life? Was that that game six

1014
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: I was that I was in Cleveland for it for

1015
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: some of league. Literally I went to outback steakhouse. I believe,

1016
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the bar and a kid and a

1017
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: guy comes up. He's like, man, I used to watch you.

1018
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: And in my head, I'm like, damn, I'm only thirty five.

1019
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: What do you mean I used to watch it? Well,

1020
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: I see it when I was little. But when I

1021
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: think about like the timeline of like the kids that

1022
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: was like eight, nine, ten, now fifteen years from now

1023
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: that are twenty five, twenty two, those are the little

1024
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: kids that I inspired. So I was like, you know,

1025
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: it's just dope to see like that I had such

1026
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a big impact on the city of Cleveland because I

1027
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: was so young. I was such a baby, so I

1028
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of them gravitated towards me. So I'm

1029
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: still humble by every single time I go down there.

1030
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: But the love is real.

1031
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: For sure. The love's always real again. Congrats on this

1032
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: new Calves gig. Will definitely be looking out for news

1033
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: on that. And you know, hey, if the Calves three

1034
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: point percentage creeps up this year, I think I think

1035
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: we know, I think we know why.

1036
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: It's safe to say, man, if you want to put

1037
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Booby in man, it's that easy, man, it's safe to stay.

1038
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: If the the cities goes up, they made the right choice.

1039
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Man. I definitely

1040
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: want to make Cleveland of my home for life.

1041
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Salute bro again, appreciate your time. Be easy man, absolutely

1042
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: fam of you. That's a wrap for this week Forgotten

1043
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: Seasons with Daniel Booby Gibson on the two thousand and

1044
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: seven Calves. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfust, signing off reminder,

1045
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: drop a rating and a review. I'll catch you next week.

1046
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 2: Until then, be easy in peace,