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Speaker 1: Harper is going to join us a little bit later here,

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Speaker 1: But let's start today with a little what you got?

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Speaker 4: What's a good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little what you got? The games last night, Well,

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Speaker 1: the late games got interesting and we're gonna touch on those,

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Speaker 1: but the first ones, let's be honest, they were sort

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Speaker 1: of duds. So this caught my eye yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: was fascinated to get your take. Guys. Yesterday John Hollinger

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Speaker 1: of The Athletic and Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer shout

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Speaker 1: out to KOC. They made the case basically that Bradley

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Speaker 1: Beal maybe has more trade value around the league than

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Speaker 1: James Harden does. I think it's an interesting thought experiment,

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Speaker 1: and it is really a good, great question for you

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Speaker 1: two guys, especially the two stands here. We know TK

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Speaker 1: loves them some Harden. We know Lelly loves them some Beal.

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Speaker 1: So it's a what you got? It's a would you rather?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather trade for Bradley Beal or James Harden?

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Speaker 1: You know right now, TK, get a start at what

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Speaker 3: Come on, Skeetze, you want the real thing, er, you

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Speaker 3: want the imitation horse. You're trading for James Harden. You

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Speaker 3: in the Western Conference, the Western Conference, the good one.

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Speaker 3: Not so much for Bradley Beal. James Harden an MVP conversation.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna finish top five every single season. Bradley Beally.

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Speaker 3: Yet last year best year of his career, thirty six

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's maybe only two reasons why I

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Speaker 5: there's that to consider. It also their contract lengths as well.

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Speaker 1: He's averaging thirty nine, six and six in the month

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Speaker 5: But but you know James Hadden when he goes on

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Speaker 1: But but okay, let me ask you this then, if

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Speaker 1: here a first tray. Would you rather Harden or Bradley Beal?

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Speaker 1: And I know it depends on what you'd be giving

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Speaker 1: I giving up Ben Simmons?

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Speaker 4: That's the big question.

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Speaker 3: Probably If I'm giving up Ben Simmons, give me Harden

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Speaker 4: Gonna they're gonna need somebody to handle the ball. Somebody

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Speaker 4: didn't make all the plays. And you're rightly, he's.

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Speaker 3: He's not into the season, James Harden isn't. You're seeing

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Speaker 3: people in the stream team saying character matters. I agree,

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Speaker 3: but also scoring matters. Assists matter. James Harden has led

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Speaker 3: despite not really caring to play for the Rockets. If

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Speaker 3: completely rejuvenated playing for a championship contender. I think this

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Speaker 3: Beal would like to win more than fifty percent of

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Speaker 5: then absolutely no question the Sixers make that deal, and

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Speaker 5: so of the Rockets because they get a young star

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Speaker 1: To be there.

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Speaker 5: clearly he's not in even though he's a bigger guy

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Speaker 5: Harden and the sixth Doward in a heartbeat. But if

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But we think the reason for him hot dogging as

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that's the way to go about it.

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Speaker 1: Warriors game. I think that was sort of a bailout.

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Speaker 1: And you gets it in the back court and then

430
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Speaker 1: he tries to create obviously we already talked about that.

431
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Speaker 1: But he does his like, you know, a little up

432
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Speaker 1: and under spinner rus and kind of good. Look it's

433
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 1: played well, you know, it's that little Papa shot sort

434
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,199
Speaker 1: of little dink or dumper really from Siakam. And it

435
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Speaker 1: doesn't fall. And I just looked on my phone. I

436
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 1: went to Twitter. I put a you know, a frowny emoji,

437
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Speaker 1: and then put it down and just rolled over and

438
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,160
Speaker 1: went to sleep like instantaneously, and I woke up this

439
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 1: morning singing something along the lines of I still believe

440
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Speaker 1: in my besketball team.

441
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Speaker 4: I was singing that when I woke up this morning.

442
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Speaker 1: Because I was like the last thing I did right

443
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Speaker 1: where I fell asleep, I saw my team lose another

444
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: heartbreaker and sejak Im in a monster game, you had

445
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: the triple double. He played really really well, but they

446
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 1: come up short. So true, I guess it was a

447
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 1: long way to ask would you just rather your team

448
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 1: lose by twenty boys or lose the buzzer?

449
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, Skeets.

450
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Speaker 3: I felt very bad last night because it honestly reminds

451
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Speaker 3: me this season for the Raptors right now. Reminds me

452
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Speaker 3: at the start of the season for the Bulls last year,

453
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 3: where they would get these massive leads. They would go

454
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Speaker 3: into every fourth quarter with a ten point lead, and

455
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,959
Speaker 3: somehow they would figure out a way to blow it.

456
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Speaker 3: I don't know what is going on with the Raptors

457
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 3: because Saka had a great game last night. He was

458
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Speaker 3: really giving it to him in the post.

459
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Speaker 4: He was scoring.

460
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Speaker 3: You know, there was definitely times when Robert Covington was

461
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Speaker 3: coming out on top in that matchup, But in general,

462
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Speaker 3: Siakam looked like he was in control, looked like he

463
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 3: was getting the shots he wanted, and he got a

464
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Speaker 3: pretty nice look there at the end as well. I'm

465
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Speaker 3: posting up, I think is a tough look for any player, regardless,

466
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Speaker 3: Like you don't see a lot of ISOs for a

467
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 3: post up all around the league, even for a big guy.

468
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 3: You know, that's definitely a nineties thing. But he made

469
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: a nice move, he got a nice shot, just wouldn't drop,

470
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: similar to the Jonas Valancunis versus Lebron not too long ago,

471
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 3: where the ball was just on the rim so many

472
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 3: times couldn't drop. But I don't know, I would try

473
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Speaker 3: something else at the end of the game. I mean,

474
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Speaker 3: I know they didn't try to get Siakam the ball

475
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: against the Warriors. Draymond really blew things up and it

476
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: had to be a create situation for Siakam. But he's

477
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Speaker 3: so much better when he's on the move, when he

478
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Speaker 3: has somebody setting screen for him and tilting the defense

479
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: so that he can attack.

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Speaker 4: Maybe give it to Fred van Vliet, Maybe give it

481
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Speaker 4: to Kyle Lowry.

482
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Speaker 3: I know they're shorter guys, so it can be tougher

483
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: for them to get some shots off, but I would

484
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Speaker 3: try something different. Siakam is a great scorer for forty

485
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Speaker 3: seven minutes, but when you give him the ball and

486
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Speaker 3: say go against the set defense, it's tough times.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he scores, he scores in the flow of a game.

488
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 1: And this is where, like I mean to make a

489
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: weird baseball comparison. It's like he just pitched like eight

490
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Speaker 1: great innings and they still have him going, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: to close it out in the ninth in a close game,

492
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Speaker 1: and you know he gives up the dinger as the pitcher.

493
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: He just can't close it. And that's sort of what

494
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: he struggled again last night. He couldn't close it despite

495
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: having an amazing game. That's all you're gonna remember, or

496
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: people that didn't watch the game and go, oh, well

497
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Speaker 1: there's your star player. He's not clutch. And I wonder

498
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Speaker 1: if it's true, because you're right, Trey, I'm with you,

499
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Speaker 1: and this was always the worry. He's not like a

500
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Speaker 1: give him the ball and go create some space and

501
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: get us a bucket, because it's it's not really who

502
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Speaker 1: he is. It's not I don't know if he'll at it.

503
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he'll ever be that because

504
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: they and like both these shots fall and we're saying, oh, okay,

505
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: you know the Raptors are back on your way and

506
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: they're winning these games. Like he had their looks he

507
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 1: can make. That's the thing. They weren't like insane, like

508
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: just like falling out of bounds and tripping over himself

509
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: and like fumbling in a way like they're there makes

510
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: he They're they're shots he can make. But he is

511
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Speaker 1: not that guy though you said do something else. I

512
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Speaker 1: don't know the Raptors have that guys as much as

513
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Speaker 1: I love Lowry and Van Vliet, Like you said, the size,

514
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: it it's a it's a limitation in that moment, right

515
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Speaker 1: when when the defense is focused on a particular player

516
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Speaker 1: because there's you know, less than ten seconds and you

517
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Speaker 1: sort of have an idea where it's gonna go. Can

518
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Speaker 1: they create the space? So what do you what do

519
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: you think Lee? Like, I mean, are Raptors fans or

520
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: not even like casual Abia fans. Are they being too

521
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: hard on siakam here has played really well over his

522
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Speaker 1: last five games, but has obviously come up short.

523
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's right, the right the story when the balls

524
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: in the end, if he hits these last two shots

525
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 5: in the last two knots, then yeah, see see comes back.

526
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 5: He's clatch, he can finish games. He's the guy that

527
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Speaker 5: got to at the end of the game. That's just

528
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Speaker 5: how fine the line is between being a goat for

529
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Speaker 5: the right reasons and a go for the wrong reasons.

530
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 5: That's what it comes down to. Siakam. I like the

531
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Speaker 5: fact that Nick Nurse is like, you're our star. We're

532
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: going to you. Don't worry about what happened last night.

533
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Speaker 5: You're going back to you. We're going back to you

534
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 5: again tonight and just see what happens. And again that

535
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 5: ball drops in at or if he switches out one

536
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: the night before against the Warriors, it's like, see, so

537
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 5: you can trust this guy at the end of the game.

538
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 5: Then he just had to shake off that bad start

539
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 5: to the season. So I still think again that the

540
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 5: Raptors will be fine. I believe in their continuity. They've

541
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Speaker 5: been obviously competing a lot better these last couple of games,

542
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Speaker 5: and they did have a big blowout victory against the

543
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Speaker 5: Sacramento Kings. It's just when things aren't going your way,

544
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 5: that's what happens sometimes. And again, you've got to give

545
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: credit to the Portland Traiblaze last night because they seem

546
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: to be down this entire game. But as we know

547
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: in the NBA, you just go on a little bit

548
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 5: of a run there and then you get the right

549
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: break at the end. And cee J McCollum afterwards, he said, listen,

550
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Speaker 5: I work on this. This is not an accident for me.

551
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 5: That sort of shot is really in his bag. Yeah,

552
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 5: how he likes to get to his spot.

553
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Speaker 1: The Raptors could use a guy like that that could

554
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: get that shot we're.

555
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: Getting, and he got a good shot. But the Raptors

556
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 5: had a chance to win. They've had a chance to

557
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 5: win the last two games against two good teams playing

558
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 5: good basketball. Just can't do it. I still think is

559
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: going to be fine, and I certainly wouldn't be trading

560
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 5: him or anything like that right now, right out this

561
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 5: rough patch. And hopefully the Raptors get back on track soon,

562
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: because I think they will.

563
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah what are they too and eight now?

564
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

565
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: And greatest two and eight team in NBA history. I'm

566
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: talking two bounces away from being.

567
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 5: Four and four and back of five hundred. You know

568
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 5: that's just how fine the line is. So yeah, I

569
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Speaker 5: just I just feel that the Raptors, if they keep

570
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 5: playing the way they're playing, these things are going to

571
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 5: turn their way soon and all of a sudden you'll

572
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 5: see him rattle off five in a row and.

573
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Speaker 6: Back in town get beazy on the court. They come on, man,

574
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 6: give me the defense is bad enough already. They don't

575
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Speaker 6: need to play bands anymore. They gave up thirty six

576
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter. I mean, we do talk a

577
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 6: lot about Saka Man because he's the star player and

578
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 6: he's taking these clutch shots. But this is a team

579
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Speaker 6: that's defense hasn't been good enough to win, especially in

580
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 6: fourth quarters. If you're coming in with a fifteen point

581
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Speaker 6: lead and you're a team that has a championship, you

582
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 6: gotta win one of them.

583
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was the Raptor's m O. They had

584
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: a lead last year. They almost never gave it up.

585
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: It was like, always win those games with their defense.

586
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: You're right, tray and they can't look. Alex Lean got

587
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: the start, okay that you know, didn't last all that long.

588
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: He got he got embarrassed sort of in the second quarter.

589
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: Bouchet needs the most minutes at the Raptors center position.

590
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: He's he's earned it at the playing vastly o, playing

591
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: beans and lean and you know, and it was his

592
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: birthday and he had a good game, like he's actually contributed,

593
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: but it was his birthday. Yeah, man, Well Devilin told

594
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: us it was his birthday about eight times.

595
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: Crazy three from the corner. That was a hilarious one

596
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: because at that point, like you're saying, he'd been yelling

597
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: it's his birthday quite a bit. Yeah, this one, he

598
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: just tossed it over to Leo.

599
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: What day is it?

600
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Speaker 4: It's birthday? That was a gift of a shot. That

601
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 4: was nice.

602
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I love what Devlin tries to get Leo to like

603
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: do something that Jack would do, because he was trying

604
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: to get Leo to sing Happy Birthday with him, Buddy,

605
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Leo's like, I'm not doing I don't have a great voice.

606
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, Jack would have been of course, take it away.

607
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: I love that. The chemistry is hilarious. So good win

608
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: for the Kings, good win for the Blazers. You're a

609
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: mellow man, holy, you know, always nice to get a

610
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: little even I'm a Raptors fan, always nice to see

611
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: like a little mellow flashback there he catches fire as

612
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: an impact trash.

613
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, contrast to the Raptor's bench there, and he said,

614
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: that's what you live for those moments. You know, there's

615
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 5: no fans say you hear that noise a little bit

616
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 5: more hit size shots, talks.

617
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: A little trash.

618
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 5: He's yeah, it's good to have a little bit of

619
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 5: rejuveni at Melowy out there. Yeah.

620
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: And my final thought on the Raptors because their defense

621
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: is not like carrying them to the carrying them to

622
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: these victories. It feels like they need their star players,

623
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: you know really in Siakam, Van Vleet, and Lowry to

624
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: all have good games, all on the same night, and

625
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: they're struggling to find that. Like Van Vliet was a

626
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you know the one last night that was sort of like,

627
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, missing an action a little bit. He's probably

628
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: exhausted from chasing around Steph Curry you know, the night

629
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: before for forty plus minutes and then he's got to

630
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: get low Lillard. He's doing his best on that end,

631
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: it's like the def is just not He's playing great defense,

632
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but it's just not taking them

633
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: through to the finish line. So that that's a that

634
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: is a gut punch of a loss. The Raptors are

635
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: just getting like kicked in the nuts by Chun Lee

636
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: right now or like e slaps just not stop night

637
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: after night after Nate. It's brutal. All right. I know

638
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: we got Zach carp but we got to get him

639
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: on here. But just quickly, a couple more questions for

640
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: you guys, who's having this sneakier good season. That's how

641
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm asking it. Gordon Heward or Chris Middleton? What you

642
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: got who you got? Lee?

643
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if Gordon Hayward's sneaky anymore. He's

644
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Speaker 5: since he's had that career high night with the forty

645
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Speaker 5: four points four games go. The Hornets are on a tear.

646
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Speaker 5: They've won four in a row and he's been really,

647
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Speaker 5: really good. So I think it's kind of blown him

648
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Speaker 5: up a little bit more where than Milwaukee Bucks and

649
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Speaker 5: especially Chris Middleton, I think they're sort of flying under

650
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Speaker 5: the raid. I think teams everyone's kind of like we've

651
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: been talking about the Bucks the last couple of seasons.

652
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 5: They've flamed out in the playoffs. We're not really keeping

653
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 5: our eye on them right now. We know they're a

654
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: good team. We know Middleton's a good player, but it's

655
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Speaker 5: like the Bucks haven't sort of lit the world on

656
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 5: fire either. Right now, we're the Hornets are a good story,

657
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 5: they're a fun watch, They've got lamellow ball, they're playing

658
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: good basketball, and they're winning games. And Hayward is averaging

659
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Speaker 5: a career high. So I think the answer is Middleton.

660
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Speaker 5: But it's just great to see Gordon Hayward coming in here.

661
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 5: When he signed that big contract, that was kind of like, ah, man,

662
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: is he really going to make that much of a difference.

663
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 5: Right now, the Hornets are starting to figure out like, Okay,

664
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Speaker 5: he is our guy, he's our go to guy to

665
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Speaker 5: score the ball, and let's go through him. Let's go

666
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Speaker 5: through him and see what he can do. And again,

667
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: it's not just him, there's some other factors there for Charlotte.

668
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Speaker 5: But I think Gordon Hayward's having a very good season.

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Speaker 5: So I think I think the answer is Chris Middleton.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tough one, Tray, because let me

671
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Speaker 1: just give you the stats for both of these guys.

672
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Speaker 1: Gordon Heward twenty two and a half points for Game

673
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: five and four. He's currently in the fifty fourteen ninety club.

674
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Speaker 1: I know it's incredibly early, but his usage percentage back

675
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Speaker 1: to his Jazz DA's. You know, he's signed that big

676
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Speaker 1: four year, one hundred and twenty million dollars deal and

677
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Speaker 1: he's delivering, especially in these victories. Middleton twenty two and

678
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: a half points per game seven and six. He hasn't

679
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Speaker 1: missed a shot. I don't dick. His shooting splits are

680
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Speaker 1: fifty five from the floor forty nine from three to

681
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: ninety four Lely, I know that gives you a boner.

682
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: From the line, he's hitting over four to three is

683
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Speaker 1: a game. He's got the same pr as like Luka Doncic,

684
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Speaker 1: and I think both of these guys a little bit

685
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Speaker 1: under the radar. So who do you have in this question?

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Speaker 1: The sneak You're a good season right now, Trey.

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Speaker 4: I'm with Lee on this one.

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Speaker 3: I think that Middleton is having a more sneaky season

689
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Speaker 3: because he's an underrated player to begin with. He's an

690
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: under the radar player and he's playing on a Bucks

691
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Speaker 3: team that we've seen now in this incarnation for what

692
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is maybe the fourth season, and

693
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Speaker 3: this is at least the third season that they're gonna

694
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Speaker 3: be a championship contender. It's gonna be tough for people

695
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: to care about the Bucks the way that their playoffs

696
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: have gone the past couple of seasons. Until you know,

697
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: they string together eighteen straight wins or whatever it was

698
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: last year, they'll have a streak where they look like

699
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: the best team in the league, and then we'll start

700
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Speaker 3: talking about Chris Middleton having a fifty to fifty ninety season.

701
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: Because Lee's right, if you go on a House of

702
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: Highlights page, if you go on an MLG highlights you're

703
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: seeing a whole bunch of Gord Hayward clips. That guy

704
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 3: dunked on Nerlin's Noel last night, that guy caught a

705
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: full court pass and somehow shot a twelve foot jumper.

706
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. But the Bucks, it's like, yeah, we expect

707
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: you to win. We expect Giannis to put up huge numbers.

708
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: Chris Middleton, you're probably gonna be an All Star average

709
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: in twenty dude, a twenty five a game.

710
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Speaker 4: We know what we're seeing.

711
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Speaker 3: Whereas Gordon Hayward's a little bit shinier, a little Neward there,

712
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: and Charlotte putting the team on the map again. Whereas

713
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Speaker 3: Middleton is just doing the same incredible stuff that he

714
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Speaker 3: has been doing, and he's slept on to begin with,

715
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Speaker 3: and we're sleeping harder on him right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you guys got the right answer here.

717
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I think also a part of it too is, of

718
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: course Middleton is not the best player on his team

719
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Speaker 1: that's going to gianness despite putting up those amazing numbers,

720
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: like I said, Whereas Hayward is the face right now

721
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Speaker 1: of the franchise. And that's even with Lamello getting some

722
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Speaker 1: love and buzz and some of their other young talent

723
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Speaker 1: coming through and Terry Rozier having his moments, it's it's

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Speaker 1: Hayward when you're putting up like you know, those thirty

725
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Speaker 1: point nights and getting victories. That's the other part, like

726
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Speaker 1: they did last night. That's uh, you know, you're not

727
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: as quiet maybe, but it's still a sneaky good season

728
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: if you ask me right now. Those those numbers for

729
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: both those guys, especially the efficiency is just lights out.

730
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Speaker 1: Final one here, you brought up that a twelve foot

731
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: baseline jumper there from Hayward. Now that was led by

732
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Speaker 1: a Lamello full court pass. I think Ley was a

733
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: mister worldwide WOB last night tweeting that one out. Yeah yeah,

734
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that's right, that's how you captioned it, and then I

735
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: think it was u TK correct me if I'm wrong,

736
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Speaker 1: sort of asking the question on our Twitter page, who

737
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: would be like the other teammate with LaMelo in NBA

738
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Speaker 1: Jam because he's a no brainer just with the highlights

739
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: there would it be Hayward, Bridges or Terry Rozier? Who

740
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: would be LaMelo Ball's you know, current day NBA JAM teammate?

741
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Speaker 1: What's the answer? Tray? You asked the question. I think

742
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: I think it was you. Was it you or was

743
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: it Taskard? I don't know.

744
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: When it comes from the factory, you never know, you

745
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: never know, you never know. It's a Union factory, so

746
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: it's all the same.

747
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: But that's a tough question.

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Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward clearly the best player on the Hornets, the

749
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: most important player. He's their best scorer, he's probably their

750
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: second best passer, he's their best player. He's an All

751
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Star candidate, no doubt about it. Terry Rozier, though, has

752
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: been having a very very solid season. He's shooting forty

753
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: three percent from three, averaging nineteen and a half a game.

754
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: He's not having to do as much assisting now, so

755
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: he's only down to three. He's not quite the lead

756
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: ball handler. I can see him sitting next to LaMelo

757
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: having fun, played a fast game on NBA JAM But

758
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: give me Sky Miles Bridges.

759
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: The numbers aren't crazy. They're not going to allow you.

760
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: He's only at about what nine points per game right now,

761
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: but he is an instrumental part of this team. I

762
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: feel like playing defense, getting up and down the court,

763
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: and he would be an incredible alley oop duo alongside LaMelo, because,

764
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: like we're saying, LaMelo is a guaranteed highlight. You're flipping

765
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: on these highlight channels. He's getting highlights cut because he

766
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: scored eight points. You don't see a thing that says

767
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: eight points, and you're like, oh, I got to see this.

768
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: If they're cutting highlights for an eight point game, something

769
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Speaker 3: must be special. I love it when Bridges and LaMelo

770
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Speaker 3: are on the court together. Bridges and LaMelo have formed

771
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: or or are part of a lot of the most

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Speaker 3: successful lineups that the Hornets have been running out, probably

773
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Speaker 3: because they've been playing against benches versus starters, but they

774
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: have been an effective duo and that would be the

775
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: team I would go for because you also need somebody

776
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 3: that's gonna push people right when you're pushing or when

777
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: you're playing defense. In NBA Jam, a lot of it

778
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: is pushing, and I like the jacked nature of Miles

779
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: Bridges to be helping there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll throw back to Alonzo morning. Larry Johnson Hornet stays,

781
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: you get those biceps and those shoulders. Lee, that's the

782
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Speaker 1: one video game I know you've played in your life,

783
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Speaker 1: NBA Jams. So who's your teammate for LaMelo?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is Bridges too, because he gives

785
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 5: you the dunky shooting forty three percent from three this season.

786
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: I know that doesn't always really count, but if you

787
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: can get a guy who can hit those threes out

788
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 5: there with LaMelo who's not a great shooter, then I

789
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: think that's great. So yeah, I would go Bridges because

790
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 5: he would do those somersault, fly high in the air,

791
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: dunks to come down and jam and And you know,

792
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 5: it's funny like talking about NBA Jam because I know

793
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 5: Chase Rano's got an actual you know, the whole box

794
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: of you know, what do you call it? Not the

795
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: whole Yeah, gotta get one man, I gotta get one.

796
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 5: I gotta get one. I want to get to play

797
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 5: with my kids because it's just such a fun game

798
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: to play and uh, you.

799
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Speaker 4: Know, you're always in it. You're always in.

800
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 5: There's never really a huge blowout in NBA because guys

801
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 5: can always just get hot and the computer kind of

802
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 5: makes it like if you if you are down.

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00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: It's called it's called rubber banding. Yes, it's built into

804
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: the game.

805
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 5: If you get it's that guy who isn't a great

806
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: shoot all of a sudden catches on fire. So yeah,

807
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Speaker 5: I think LaMelo and Miles Bridges would be a great view.

808
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: Look at you guys sleeping on Gordon Hayward in his

809
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: sneaky good season. You guys are taking a guy because

810
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: he could dunk over a guy thirty grace. That's that

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00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: is a fun one. We have it up on our

812
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Twitter page, so go, uh, you know, vote in the poll,

813
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: or let's hear from you guys over there at no

814
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: dunk sink, or let us know in the stream team

815
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Speaker 1: or in the YouTube comments. Zach Harper is an NBA

816
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: staff writer for the Athletic. You've also heard him on

817
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: The Athletic NBA Show podcast. You've seen him chopping it

818
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: up with WAW was on the restricted area over on

819
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: YouTube as well. I think he's got like another twenty

820
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Speaker 1: gigs too. So Zach, if he's there, there he is,

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Speaker 1: Zach Harper talking hoopskops. What's up man? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excellent. I think it's easy that it's Miles

823
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: Miles Bridges as the NBA. Yeah, it's like, no one,

824
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: no one's looking for a twelve foot jumper in NBA jam.

825
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: You wanted that guy that can tear the rim off

826
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: like no one. No one wants Gordon Hayward out there.

827
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: That's true. But Gordon Hayward is like he's not only

828
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: having a sneaky good season, he's sneaky strong guys, so

829
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: he can he can push some people around the dunk.

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00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: He's a good player. But you want fun. No one,

831
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: no one's running a pick and roll in the NBA.

832
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: James, what was your what was your old school go

833
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: to NBA jam team? Zach?

834
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: So? Uh, you know as a kid, you're you're kind

835
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: of an idiot at least I was for sure. So

836
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: I my sneaky team was. I liked the Mavericks because

837
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: it was Derek Harper, so I'd hear Harper and then

838
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: like and then is Alito. And I just loved yelling

839
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: my friends and I would always yell is only no,

840
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: like we would do that. So that was the one.

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00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: But like you know, I was a Sonics dude with

842
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: GP and Camp. I love that team. That was that

843
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: was the go to.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we wanted to have you on here today.

845
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Obviously the talk hoops with you.

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00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: What you're already Yeah, let's just I know it's the

847
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: power rankings. And this happened last year with the back

848
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: end of the power rankings. I put a team thirtieth

849
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: and then they'd win like three straight and it was

850
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: the curse of me, not the curse of the team.

851
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: But now it's happening in the front end of the

852
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: power rankings. I don't know what to do.

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a week four Power Rankings up on the

854
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Athletic or the Athletic dot Com slash no dunks. Get

855
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: that subscription so you can read Zach every week with

856
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: these power rankings. Yeah, so you had the Lakers one,

857
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: you kept them there, that makes sense, and then you

858
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: had the Suns all the way up at number two. Yeah,

859
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the Pacers all the way up at number three. They've

860
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: been playing great basketball, and then what happens last night?

861
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Sons lose a stinker to the Wizards, and the Pacers,

862
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: as we just talked about, fall short to the King.

863
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: So this is the curse of Zach car for here?

864
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 7: Is it?

865
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: I think so? I think it is because it's not

866
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: that it's not that the Sun's lost. They got obliterated

867
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: by a horrible team, right, Like that's the that's the issue.

868
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: And then with the Pacers, I can deal with them

869
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: losing a West Coast road trip game, but like to

870
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: the Kings, who I said, this is the worst team

871
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: in basketball and they have the worst defense in NBA history,

872
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: which they still do after that game. But I was

873
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: watching that game, and I don't really root for stuff anymore,

874
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Like I just want good basketball. But I got admit, when,

875
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: like when Buddy Hill hit that three in the quarter,

876
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, guys, just sposed to this game.

877
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: It was at that point I knew, all right, I'm

878
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 2: just cook this thing.

879
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: Now.

880
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: What it's like on Mondays you're just watching the games

881
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: like oh oh my goodness, oh my goodness.

882
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: I tried. I'll just like keep an eye on the

883
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: games on Monday, like on my phone, and then if

884
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: there's something really good, I'll go watch it. But usually Mondays,

885
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta get away from that. It's been

886
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: too much and I know I'm just gonna look like

887
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: more of an idiot than usual.

888
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: What of those two teams? Who do you have more

889
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: faith in the Suns or the Pacer? You know, more

890
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: faith in being still in your top five as the

891
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: season goes on.

892
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, I think the Suns, like, the Pacers are great, right,

893
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: Pacers are really really good, and Sabonas is good. Oladipa

894
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: looks like he's mostly back, although he's making a few

895
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: confusing decisions each night. Brogden's been great, Myles Turner's blocking

896
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: everything like, they're really good. And in the East, I think,

897
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, you can feel comfortable with them. But there's

898
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: something about the Suns team the fact and I mentioned

899
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: this before, but the fact that Booker's not going crazy,

900
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: Chris Paul's not going crazy, They're just playing good team

901
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: basketball like that seems more sustainable to me, because once

902
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: Booker gets cooking, once Chris Paul starts hitting more shots, like,

903
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what the ceiling for that team is like,

904
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be a contender in terms of being

905
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: able to knock off the Lakers unless an injury happens

906
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles, but in terms of like could they

907
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: be the two seed? Like at this point, I don't

908
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: think that's crazy. I mean, two seed seems pretty extreme

909
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: to me.

910
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: But I guess you're right, you know, like they've been

911
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: getting some growth We've seen already from Cam Johnson, from

912
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: Michale Bridges, who that was kind of gonna be a

913
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: question coming into the season, right They played incredible in

914
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: the bubble and I was going to say, Okay, now

915
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: are they going to be able to do it this year?

916
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: They added Chris Paul and, like you're saying, it hasn't

917
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: just been the Booker and Chris Paul show. Really, it's

918
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: been everybody contributing for him. So I can see him

919
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: stringing together some wins. Man, if the Suns go from

920
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 3: out of the playoffs for a decade to the two seed,

921
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I've been at Chris Paul hater

922
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 3: for a long time. I turned the corner last year,

923
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: but I might have to delete all my takes off

924
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: the internet.

925
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: If that's the case from.

926
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: Your power ranking, Zach, especially when you compare it to

927
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: like your preseason sort of like where you thought teams

928
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: might sort of fall in the cat in the rankings.

929
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Who's been the biggest surprise to you? Is it the

930
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: Suns or is it even maybe even a team that's

931
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: like way lower than you thought they were going to be.

932
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, oh, I mean this is I don't want

933
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: to do this, but yeah, it is the Raptors, right

934
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: like I didn't. I didn't expect this to be a

935
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: smooth season for them, but I still like that team.

936
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: I would say this. I like that the last three

937
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: games has been really good despite the the misgame winners,

938
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: and those are looks that I expect him to make

939
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: and listen to you guys, earlier, I was a little confused,

940
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm just biased by the championship season, but

941
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: I felt like that year he got enough end of

942
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: game looks where I'm like, all right, I'm comfortable with

943
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: him as a clutch option. I felt like he did

944
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: a good enough job there. But but in terms of

945
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: I guess maybe last year, this year so far, maybe

946
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: you just feel differently because you've also got more skin

947
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: in the game than I do with that. But I

948
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: do expect this Raptors team to be like in the

949
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: four or five mix by the end of the season.

950
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't think they're I don't think they're toast by any.

951
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: Means four or five in terms of the standings. Yeah.

952
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Not in the powering, I say.

953
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 5: Go ahead, yeah one one team who had a very

954
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 5: strong week. I went four and one on a road

955
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 5: trip to the o Clhima City Thunder. You bump them

956
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 5: up from twenty eighth to twenty first. What's your feel

957
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 5: on the Thunder. Are they a team that people are

958
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 5: just like forget about them and that's why they're racking

959
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 5: up wins or are they actually kind of like that

960
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 5: we're last year just a little bit better than everyone

961
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 5: sort of thinks and they could you know, a playoff

962
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: birth is not I had of a range of possibility

963
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: for them.

964
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: I do think they'll tail off, like I think teams

965
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: will start taking them more seriously. I don't know that

966
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: they're being taken that seriously, and I don't want to

967
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: diminish what they're doing because they're playing really good defense

968
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: with such a young team. Al Horford and George Hill

969
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: have been a good influence on those young guys, and

970
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: they're playing good team basketball. But yeah, like I've been

971
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed at the Thunder because at least early on,

972
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of like four and five, five and five,

973
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: six and five, five and four teams that makes it

974
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: really hard to rank them on a weekly basis because

975
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't know where the hell will put any of

976
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: these guys at times, and so with the Thunder, they're

977
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: one of those teams. Whe I'm just like, they'll be bad.

978
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: I can count on them to be bad, and now

979
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: they're four and four and they're winning these games I

980
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: don't expect, and I'll admit, like, yeah, it's annoying me.

981
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: The Thunder are annoyed. They're supposed to be losing games.

982
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: They want to lose games. Their net rating is terrible,

983
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: like they should be, you know, kind of at least

984
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: looking out for my power rankings. That's what I think

985
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: they should be doing. Like they're not being a good

986
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: teammate to me, and so I think the Thunder need

987
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: to lose more games.

988
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Has this season been i mean, I know it's still early,

989
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: but has it been more difficult to actually like slot

990
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: these teams? In because of these weird like games. It

991
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: feels like every night these weird swings, and like, obviously

992
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: because we got a pandemic going on, we got like

993
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: the Raptors aren't even playing at home for crying out lout, Like,

994
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: has it been more difficult than it usually is or

995
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: it is always sort of tough.

996
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: It's always, I mean, the early part of the season

997
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: is always tough, but it's definitely been more difficult. And

998
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: I tried to, like my whole process, and this may

999
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: shock some some of the commenters on the power rankings

1000
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: each week, but I do actually watch the games and

1001
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: put a lot of work in these power rankings. It's

1002
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: usually my entire weekend Friday, Saturday, Sunday is me working

1003
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: on these power rankings, much to the chagrin of my girlfriend,

1004
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: who's like, can we at least like watch a movie

1005
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: or something like, No, I've got to see the Raptors

1006
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: in this game, and that's what I gotta do. And

1007
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: so like the last two weeks, I've been like I'm

1008
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna do my like really like set

1009
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: in and order these teams. So Friday I get all

1010
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: the updates, I get all the numbers, and I order

1011
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: what I think is gonna happen in the weekend, and

1012
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: then the last two weeks, Saturday, I go back and

1013
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: could what happened Friday night and it's just obliterate, like

1014
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: everything's up in the air, like I'm guessing so wrong.

1015
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: And then Saturday, I'm like, all right, a reorder and

1016
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what I think is gonna happen. Sunday.

1017
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just I'm the like, who's the

1018
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: dude Sheldon from Big Bang Theory that Justiff just throws

1019
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: papers in there? That's me with the power rankings on Sunday.

1020
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Like, I'm doing all this pre work

1021
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: and it's not a sort of pointles, it's far as all.

1022
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm just really bad at guessing what's gonna happen. Like,

1023
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: I'm just I have no idea what I'm doing at

1024
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: this point.

1025
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: It must feel worth it, though it when on a

1026
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 5: Monday afternoon, or when when the rankings come out and

1027
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 5: you have someone who say.

1028
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: Can you rank us twenty fourth?

1029
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

1030
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: You're hating out tea. Why did you do this to it?

1031
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: Harper hates it, you know, whoever that maybe it's the

1032
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 5: Pistons or something like that, and you're just like people

1033
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: do get irrationally angry about a totally subjective ranking that

1034
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: comes out every single week and changes, but they still

1035
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 5: want to let you know.

1036
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: And I'm still like, I think I have it in

1037
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: my little preamble there in the intro of like I

1038
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: just think they're better if you.

1039
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: Think they're better, like go through your own rankings.

1040
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I'm not gonna be like what the hell

1041
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 2: are you doing? And like you can rank them however

1042
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: you want, Like this is what I feel that happened

1043
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: lye last week with the Knicks, right, I almost put

1044
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: them in the top twenty, and it was very close.

1045
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: And then and then you know, I got all these

1046
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: Knicks fans like, oh, you just hate the Knicks, clicks

1047
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: for Knicks and which like oh yeah, then clicks for

1048
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: ranking the twenty first, like oh my god, I'm making

1049
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: so much money now based on that. But then they

1050
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: sucked this past week and I kind of felt I

1051
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, see, maybe I had them too high.

1052
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: You're right, I did rank them incorrectly. And then every

1053
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: once in a while, you know, the bulls will have

1054
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: a strong finish of the week, and and Trey's not

1055
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: happy with me, so that that happens as well.

1056
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: He's gets in the comments. Lets you know about it.

1057
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe the Bulls were in the bottom ten

1058
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: after a three and one week.

1059
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: I know they went on in three, they went one

1060
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: in three, so I think you're right.

1061
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: But is that the balance though, Zach of like trying

1062
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, well here's where they are. Obviously you're

1063
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: not just ranking them like, well, here's the standings, so

1064
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: let's just rank them in order, are you You're trying

1065
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: to look ahead a little bit right or in looking back,

1066
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: going what's real and what is it? What sticks and

1067
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: what does it?

1068
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: Right?

1069
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to look at the quality of the wins,

1070
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: who like who was in, who was out, what the

1071
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: trends are for the team within those wins, and like

1072
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: like Siakam right, they're not playing not winning games with

1073
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: Siakam's really getting going, So I look at that as

1074
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: a positive sign. With Towns being out last week, I mean,

1075
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: the Wolves are gonna be bad regardless, but I had

1076
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: them as the worst team a week ago because they

1077
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: didn't have Towns. So that team without Towns is just

1078
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: not competitive, so like that stuff matters to me. And

1079
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: then looking ahead, I'll be like I kind of project

1080
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: of here's what I think is happening right now, and

1081
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: here's what I think is going to hold through the

1082
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: rest of the season. And then from that I'm looking at,

1083
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: here's what's the schedule over the next three weeks. How

1084
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: is this going to look? And so like there is

1085
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: there are a lot of very subjective factors. And then

1086
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm just like, I don't think that team's any good.

1087
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't care that they're winning games, like that team's

1088
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: going to go down to Mirage.

1089
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said you're like trying to watch as

1090
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: many games as possible, as many teams as possible as

1091
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: again an idea of how they're actually playing, and not

1092
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: just the numbers that you're eating about. What's your favorite

1093
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: team to watch right now? Just like pure entertainment standpoint.

1094
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: That's a good question. It was it was surprisingly the

1095
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: Hawks for a bit. Hawks were a lot of fun,

1096
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: and now they they kind of tailed off a little bit.

1097
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: I'll say, right now, I think my favorite team to

1098
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: watch is probably it's either Phoenix or I've gotten a

1099
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: lot of I just think the Hornets are surprising, like

1100
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: I'm in on the LaMelo train, like I think, you

1101
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: know Bridges and PJ. Washington, like I can't watch Davante

1102
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: Graham take another jump shot right now, but everything else

1103
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm in on I'm in on this Hornets team.

1104
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's sustainable, but LaMelo's fun, like he

1105
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: throws a bunch of crazy passes. They got high flyers.

1106
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: Bismack Biambo took a three recently, like I'm like, all

1107
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: of it's fun to me.

1108
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: And the aesthetics too, of like the jerseys in the court,

1109
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: I think, yeah to that too. It's you know, got

1110
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: that like nineties nostalgia there, and it just looks awesome.

1111
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It always helps looks great, yea, look when the team

1112
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: is playing entertaining and then it looks cool. Okay, So

1113
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: I thought the Hornets might be the next to you

1114
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: said the Suns as well.

1115
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 3: Zachi said, you're always uh out who's in and who's

1116
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: out when you're figuring out these rankings. A team that

1117
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: was really low in the rankings early, the Warriors. They

1118
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: didn't have Draymond Green. He's coming back, averaging a whopping

1119
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: four five and six, but it's completely changed the team.

1120
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: They're four and two since his comeback stuff is obviously incandescent.

1121
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: You cannot guard him right now unless you're the Raptors,

1122
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: and they guarded him, but you know, still end up. Nonetheless, Nonetheless,

1123
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: they've been good. The Warriors are good. They're rising up

1124
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: their rankings. I think they jumped thirt eleven spots this week.

1125
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: They're up to thirteen here on no dunks, though. The

1126
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: main question, are you on Wiggins Island? Do you believe

1127
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: in Wiggins? He's been balling the past week. He hit

1128
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: like maybe the most clutch shot of his career, going

1129
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: through his legs a couple of times for a pull

1130
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: up in Paul George's face. It was wild stuff to

1131
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: see from Andrew Wiggins. Are you buying property?

1132
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: Even in the Tom Thibodeaux era, I think I would

1133
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: see out on a beach yonder, I would see skeets

1134
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: and we just give a little wave to each other.

1135
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: We were the only two people on Wiggins Island. I

1136
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: haven't left. I've got a mansion there now. I'm hit

1137
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: visiting the subway every single day. I love Wiggans Island.

1138
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: It is one of the most incredible destinations. It's not

1139
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: just a vacation. You can build a home there, like Island.

1140
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: I think it's crap that he's getting the same hate

1141
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: that Kelly Oubre gets because Wigs shooting like forty percent

1142
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: from three. He's been decent. He's been a great pick

1143
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: and role player, you know, defensively, you.

1144
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 4: Know, it's got a hit or miss.

1145
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: There's had some good games.

1146
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, he's had some good games. Like he's

1147
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: maybe this is a weird thing to say, but he's

1148
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: looking more like rookie Andrew Wiggins on defense, which is

1149
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: a very positive thing for him because he actually defended

1150
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: as a rookie at least one on one. So he's

1151
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: getting a little better there. But yeah, I'm all in

1152
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: on Wiggans Island. I'm never leaving. You couldn't drag me

1153
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: off there.

1154
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: Wow, we got we got Lee living there now. He's

1155
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: loving it. He's growing out his hair on Wiggins.

1156
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: Island, growing out his hair on Wiggans. And by the way,

1157
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: maybe you check out the restricted area on Thursday. Maybe

1158
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: there's a Wiggans Island reference.

1159
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Check out on YouTube. Yeah it was, Yeah, I knew

1160
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: you were still there. You do have the biggest property.

1161
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: It's a got immaculate acreage there that you're taking care of.

1162
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: Nobody Nobody wants to see my place. I have an

1163
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: incredible place there. No one wants to see it there.

1164
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: I can see you in a robe there having a

1165
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 5: pipe out on the on the balcony, just just really.

1166
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: The balcony arms raised, like, oh, let the sun hit you.

1167
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: It's great.

1168
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: We uh we talked about the Wolves at one point

1169
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: being the worst team in league. He said, you had

1170
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: the Kings, Like, do you really think the Kings are

1171
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league or are they just

1172
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: slotted in in Week four? They're in the power rankings

1173
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: number thirty.

1174
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: I mean before last night, like they they I was

1175
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: watching their games. I'm just like, this isn't an NBA team.

1176
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: The way they're playing. Like Buddy Healed has been horrific, obviously,

1177
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: the Bagley drama, the Fox stuff, like he's been okay,

1178
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: but he's not been any any good at least in

1179
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: terms of leading the team. Holmes has been solid, and

1180
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Harrison Barnes has been solid. Obviously Haliburton's good for a rookie,

1181
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: but no, this team's been been terrible. I mean they

1182
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: again they still have the worst defense in NBA history.

1183
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: It's eleven games, and you do have several teams doing

1184
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: that right now at least in the the top ten

1185
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: for worst team or worst team defense in NBA history.

1186
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: So there is a lot of that trend going on.

1187
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: I don't know that they'll fix it any point because

1188
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: I just also look at that roster. I'm like, it's

1189
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: not good, Like they they just don't have a rotation

1190
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: that I think you can cobble together to get wins consistently.

1191
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: So I don't know what they do from there. Maybe

1192
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: they're not the worst team moving forward, but they're bottom

1193
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: five the rest of the season probably, Like, I just

1194
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 2: don't see a whole lot of hope there.

1195
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think who would else be in the running?

1196
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: The Wolves unfortunately, especially the Wolves there for sure, Yeah, yeah,

1197
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: for sure. I want you to rank the following power

1198
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: rankings yours at the Athletic Schumans at NBA dot com

1199
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: one or like the conglomerate that does ESPN's power ranks.

1200
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: There's like eight guys that do that. One hight men

1201
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: are that.

1202
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: One's that one? Because we're out of I'm gonna throw

1203
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a little a little shout out to

1204
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: my my guy Mo dak Heel. He does the rankings

1205
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: the season for Bleacher Report. But he's still gonna be

1206
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: He's still gonna be towards the bottom because you know,

1207
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: uh so, I'll go fourth is the ESPN conglomerate. I'll

1208
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: put Moe's for Bleacher Report at third man. You know what,

1209
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: whatever I'll be, I'll be egotistical. I'm putting Schumann second.

1210
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm putting me number one, working that stuff every single week.

1211
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: I got the best power rankings out there. They're often wrong,

1212
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: but they're the best one.

1213
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 5: That's what's that's what's important with power rankings. No, they're right,

1214
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 5: they're the best ones. They're the most fun ones. You know,

1215
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 5: Shurement's gonna just have those little likes thatats like, oh

1216
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: he's third.

1217
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: He pick and roll coverage in the NBA.

1218
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: You know, exactly, like, oh, I get it, here's some

1219
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: smart writing with the You don't get that with me.

1220
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: You're getting fun.

1221
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: Gifts or gifts, so everyone, Yeah, that's right. I love

1222
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: that you had to cut down on the number of

1223
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: gifts that you were including in the.

1224
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 2: Power Either two battles I lost. I wanted to order

1225
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: thirty to one because that's how I like, No one's

1226
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: scrolling down to see who's thirty, So I wanted that,

1227
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: but I lost that battle and then and then yeah,

1228
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: it was just I was was killing everyone's phone and

1229
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: data and says you got to cut it down to

1230
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: fifteen because.

1231
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: You had a gift for every team. Yeah, gift on

1232
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: the beat.

1233
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It's actually really it's actually a

1234
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: lot easier for me because coming up with thirty of

1235
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: those things every week was it was hard. Fifteen it's

1236
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: hard enough, so trying to keep it somewhat fresh. I'm

1237
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: pretty sure I've repeated some several times.

1238
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it like all weekend to write the

1239
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: thing though. Is that fair and safe?

1240
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I probably spend so I usually do. So

1241
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm on radio from like seven to ten am on

1242
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: Friday mornings, and then I have a pod from ten

1243
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: to eleven, and then I have radio from seven to

1244
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: ten at night. So usually in that like one to

1245
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: four one to four range for me, like I'm working

1246
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: on powering kind of ordering things. Saturday, I'll spend about

1247
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: five six hours on it, and then it's pretty much

1248
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: from like noon to whenever I finished, Like two weeks ago,

1249
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: I finished at one thirty in the morning on Sunday.

1250
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: And then last week I finished ten forty five at night,

1251
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: super happy with that. I got to better. It was

1252
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: great that That's what I was feeling. Great, And then

1253
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, last night happens.

1254
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Are you Are you finding any time to continue to

1255
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: work on your three point shot?

1256
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: No, I can't. I can't find out hoping they took

1257
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: the rims off my local my local one, or they

1258
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: put the locks on them. So but I you know,

1259
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: you know that thing that burner is always hot.

1260
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: I'm never I mean, yeah, like, can you beat Lee

1261
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: in a three point contest? I mean you're confident in

1262
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: your power rankings? Are confident?

1263
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was I was asked. I think I

1264
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: was asked who the best shooter was of the media,

1265
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 2: and Lee's definitely Lee's up there. So I think Lee

1266
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: Seth Partner's gotta got a heater, he can shoot.

1267
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: David Medeman's got a night shot.

1268
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: Dave can shoot. Who else, Well, he's not really in

1269
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: it anymore. But Beckley Mason was a pretty good shooter

1270
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: back in the day. But you know, yeah, I feel

1271
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: like I think it's a coin flip with me and Lee. Wow, Lisa,

1272
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: Lisa better. Li's a better set shooter, like I'm probably

1273
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: better off the dribble.

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Speaker 1: That's that's right, right, So three point contest.

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00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: We might have three point contest. I think, yeah, I think,

1276
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I I it's gonna be it's gonna be

1277
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: a coin flip. I think. But he's a great shooter.

1278
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta make it happen around the people again.

1279
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: I mean, at.

1280
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 5: Any time, that'd be a fun that'd be a fun event.

1281
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: A media cool but media shooter power rankings that's rising

1282
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: to number one for years right now.

1283
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: I was devastated that I didn't get to go to

1284
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: that media game in the Bay Area. It was a

1285
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: year and a half ago or whatever. I couldn't I

1286
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: couldn't make it up there and I was just watching.

1287
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, I could be I could be

1288
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: having a heart attack next to these guys right now.

1289
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: I could have Oh my god, I could have hit

1290
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: a three and just collapse like I would have been great.

1291
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you so have that one ended? According

1292
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: to Danny LaRue, are you yeah?

1293
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: It ended with us like yelling at the Trey Trevon

1294
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: Edwards like, because he was supposed to be our ringer, Like, hey,

1295
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: he's gonna represent you know, the count the Dings Crew,

1296
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: And he was terrible. He was played. He played college

1297
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: ball like he's good. Yeah, I played with them before.

1298
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: He was awful.

1299
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: That happens, right, you have those days, I guess. So

1300
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: what was that called the metro media media Jams?

1301
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Quinn Cook was an announcer or

1302
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: something like that. It was something weird.

1303
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 5: He was there, yeah, yeah, he was just hanging out there.

1304
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: He was working on his media power rankings.

1305
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right.

1306
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: Any other questions for for Zach here, We're going to

1307
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: keep you around at the end of the show if

1308
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: you don't mind, Zach, you're a busy guy. But any

1309
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: other questions, Tray Well, we.

1310
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: Heard this week after lamellow Ball had his first triple double,

1311
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: youngest in league history. They didn't an interview with him

1312
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: after the game. They said, are you so good at rebounding?

1313
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 3: He said, I played a lot of twenty one growing up,

1314
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: which understandable. You got to be able to do everything

1315
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: on the court when you're playing twenty one. But for me,

1316
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: I played thirty two. What'd you play growing up?

1317
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Oh?

1318
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: He played twenty one twenty one? And what's weird? Is

1319
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: we in eighth grade? I remember we would like we

1320
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: had plenty of courts and plenty of basketballs, but we

1321
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: would just play like a nineteen person game of twenty one.

1322
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, chaos, Like yeah, see, I'm just like Canada.

1323
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: We called that's okay. So twenty one to me growing

1324
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: up was like the classic free throw shooting, right, you

1325
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, yeah, you're points a line

1326
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: and then you just rebound wherever you got the rebound,

1327
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: then you shoot all that. But when we would add

1328
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: a third, fourth, fifth, sixth player or whatever, we called

1329
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: that American twenty one. That was like, yeah, I don't

1330
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: know why we called that American twenty one where it's

1331
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: like this one on one game where you said, Zach,

1332
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: you can have up to like nineteen people.

1333
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: Playing in the Yeah, yeah, we should have been running

1334
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: fives the whole time. Been fine, but like, yeah, but

1335
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: did you guys play with like like like if you

1336
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: tip in it was like a clear It would like

1337
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: if you had a one handed tip, it would like

1338
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: clear someone's points completely out. Like we had these weird

1339
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: rules that got thrown into it, where like if you

1340
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 2: tip someone's misshot, it screwed over the person that missed

1341
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: the shot.

1342
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: We definitely had tips if you tipped it in.

1343
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: I don't think we had tipulation stipulations with regards to

1344
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: the hands.

1345
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 4: If you're one hand, two hand, you're going back to zero.

1346
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: Tip for us.

1347
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: Thirty two was the game where you were playing twos

1348
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: and threes no tips, and like you're saying, you're just

1349
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: trying to score through one hundred people standing underneath the.

1350
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: Late it's basically impossible. Somebody can hurt her in high school?

1351
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: Who cares learn how to be a jump shooter? Like

1352
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: that's what you had to do. You just had to Like,

1353
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: you just had to learn how to shoot.

1354
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't matter how great your handles were. You

1355
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: were getting around one hundred guys.

1356
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: Curly out there. It wasn't gonna happen.

1357
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, just shoot, all right. Well, let's take a quick

1358
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: break here to hear from our sponsors. But we do

1359
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: have tweeted the night what you got, Trey. You said

1360
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: like eight words in that ad read that I didn't

1361
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: even know were words.

1362
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: Okay, man, there is a wide world of mushroom research

1363
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: out there, and it is. It's fascinating stuff. It's honestly

1364
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: fascinating stuff. Think of everything underneath the ground that we

1365
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: don't know about, my celium.

1366
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: Foraging in your cup. How they should go with that

1367
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: to tweet.

1368
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: Of the night, tweet out the night.

1369
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: Wow, this is like the equivalent of Zach Harper ranking

1370
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: his power rankings first in all of the power rankings.

1371
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: Because I'm giving tweet to the night to myself. Yeah,

1372
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: that j E skeets because I shared this video last night.

1373
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: This happened in the Grizzlies Cavaliers game. Weird moment with

1374
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Andre Drummond and Kyle Anderson, like Drummond's telling him to

1375
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: back up, I guess for the jump ball, and then

1376
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: he goes over because he's like not moving and touches

1377
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: him on the thighs. Yeah, and then Kyle Anderson flops Zach.

1378
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

1379
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: I've never seen someone push someone by the thighs before.

1380
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: Like that was the weirdest party. I saw that last night.

1381
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: I was like, what, who pushes anybody by the thighs?

1382
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 5: I guess should do it to like in a kids game.

1383
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 5: Maybe if a kid just sort of has never played before.

1384
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 5: It's like, no, you gotta move out, and you're trying

1385
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: to like movies thighs, but not a professional NBA player

1386
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 5: who doesn't seem to understand the rules and the requirements

1387
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 5: of win.

1388
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: He has to stand for a jump.

1389
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: Bowl Shenny Osmond is so mad at that whole situation too.

1390
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: If you look at him, he's just like, come on, guys,

1391
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: what do we do it?

1392
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I just literally my caption for that video was, lol,

1393
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: what like what? I have so many cutes. I don't

1394
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: know if people even followed up with Drummond after the

1395
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: game about this or Kyle Anderson, like they're obviously like

1396
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: joking here. It's it's all in good fun, but like,

1397
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: what a weird, weird clip the NBA always delivering. So

1398
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: tweet the night to me, congrats me, what a tweet.

1399
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Pick the results from last night. It was

1400
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: the Raptors Blazers game. Blazers were favored by five and

1401
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: a half. They won the game, but they didn't cover.

1402
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: So three of us had Toronto, Task had them, Tray,

1403
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: You had them, and I had them. So that's a

1404
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: win at least in the pick them lead. Sorry, you

1405
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: take the l on that one lead. You're four and

1406
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: eight here, mate for our first pickum of the season.

1407
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: So your four and eight, trace five and seven, Tasta

1408
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: six and five, and I'm seven in five. No, I

1409
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: did that wrong. I did that wrong. Someone's wrong there.

1410
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm leading, and then it's task tray and

1411
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: lead in some order. Tonight's game, though, is the Pacers Warriors, Zach,

1412
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: I just want to get your take. Warriors favored by

1413
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: two and a half. If you're a betting man, who

1414
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: you going with tonight? Pacers Warriors.

1415
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: I actually think things have been trending a little too

1416
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: hot for the Warriors lately. I'll take the Pacers second

1417
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: out of it. Back to back is tough, but I

1418
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: do think I think the Pacers come out and they'll

1419
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: be good defensively Tonight. I think they'll win that game.

1420
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: Okay, straight up win, Trey. Who do you got Tonight?

1421
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Warriors are favored by two and a half.

1422
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach's right.

1423
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: Is the second night of the back the back for

1424
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: the Pacers. Also their third game in four nights. They've

1425
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: lost two in a row.

1426
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: Could use a win, would make.

1427
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: Those power rankings look good. But I'll take the Warriors.

1428
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: They've been too good lately, and I got a feeling

1429
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: the Pacers.

1430
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: Gonna be little tired, just a little bit tired, a

1431
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: little tired, Lee, what do you think?

1432
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean right now, I'm so cold. I just

1433
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 5: feel the Paces again, have a little bounce back and

1434
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 5: just get that long Warriors two and a half. I

1435
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 5: think the Paces do it tonight. They give me and

1436
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 5: Theanna on the road, so that bically that basically lucks

1437
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: in the Warriors to get it tonight.

1438
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm fading you like crazy, give

1439
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: me the Warriors. I was gonna take Indiana, but I'm

1440
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: just taking the Warriors now because Lee's going with Indy.

1441
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: So I'll take the Warriors to win by three. And

1442
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: let's hear who.

1443
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 4: Task has first.

1444
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 7: That's what happens when you don't care about your pick, Lee.

1445
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: You lose.

1446
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 7: Second, if no one cares, should we even bother doing

1447
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 7: this segment? And third, I don't care. I'm taking the Pacers.

1448
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, yes, Task referencing Lee not caring yesterday

1449
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: when it came to it.

1450
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 5: Was more just trying to put too much thought behind

1451
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 5: it was just like, I really know there's no real

1452
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 5: form right now. Every night there's something crazy happening.

1453
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: So it's true. Bring bring a coin, mate and just

1454
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: flip it right here live on the show. See what happens,

1455
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: heads or tails. Why not try it tomorrow if you

1456
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: lose again? Okay, you got to give that a go, Zach.

1457
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: Where can the people? It's the easiest way for the people, obviously,

1458
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: to follow all your work.

1459
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: Talk hoops across all social media platforms.

1460
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Simple.

1461
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: Is that simple as that? I can't get all the tweets,

1462
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 2: the articles, the radio shows, the podcast, the video show,

1463
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

1464
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: All right there, you are a busy man. I had

1465
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: no idea you're doing that much radio? Is that normal

1466
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: that you're doing in the morning? And then then the

1467
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: late shift as well?

1468
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: Just on Fridays Friday, Yeah, just Fridays. I do that. Fridays.

1469
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: I usually talk to a me and I'll hassen for

1470
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: about eight hours professionally, which is way too my goodness.

1471
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: Shout out to a me and I'll assen joining the

1472
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: pirate ship, right, Dan.

1473
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: Levatar, Yeah, absolutely, that's fun.

1474
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. So shout out to a mean But

1475
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: that's a lot of time to talk to him. Mean,

1476
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: I like them man too eight hours. Well, I actually

1477
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: feel bad for me and talking to you for eight hours.

1478
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, both of us. It's usually like around the

1479
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: second half of that radio show, like halfway through our

1480
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: five of the day of at least talking on the radio,

1481
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: into that sixth hour of radio where we're like, we

1482
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: got to bring a guest on. We can't talk to

1483
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: each other anymore. We have to to bring somebody in.

1484
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: So if you guys are all late on, you know,

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Speaker 2: come on on, all right, OX Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Oh good to know guys. Email us your NBA questions

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Speaker 1: So go take advantage of that offer. Zach, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. You guys know I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 4: You heard it here first.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember, don't feel bad about

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Speaker 3: putting yourself number one.

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Speaker 4: If you don't do it, who will brace the day?

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