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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys Tuesday here from the Star in Frisco in
Speaker 1: the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody, the first post draft
Speaker 1: episode of your favorite Talking Cowboys crew. Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us.
Speaker 1: The draft is in the rear view mirror. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: state put made all nine picks in the way that
Speaker 1: they were slotted, and we will break it down for
Speaker 1: you hero for the next hour on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com and the various streaming platforms. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
Speaker 1: Everybody recovered from a great draft weekend? Are you recovering
Speaker 1: from a great draft week You just had a draft
Speaker 1: show on top of Demanza outside of like my neck
Speaker 1: kind of feeling weird in the back here from being
Speaker 1: like hunched over a mic all weekend. I feel great. Actually, Now,
Speaker 1: well you've got the couple days. You've got these strong
Speaker 1: neck muscles, I hear you. I mean you're like a
Speaker 1: baby tank. Is that your nickname? Now? Soft? This is
Speaker 1: an inside joke. It is here. Well I can explain it,
Speaker 1: we can talk about it on the air. There was
Speaker 1: just gonna take the whole thing off the rails right
Speaker 1: to start. Right at the start show, Audius got strong.
Speaker 1: So there was There was a presentation yesterday with with
Speaker 1: South oh Cliff and the state championship high school yesterday
Speaker 1: got a chance to kind of moderate a conversation between
Speaker 1: them and d Law and the team meeting room across
Speaker 1: a way, and it was put on by water Burger,
Speaker 1: our friends over there, and they did a great job
Speaker 1: with it. And somebody clipped a picture of just me
Speaker 1: and d Law standing next to each other and they're like,
Speaker 1: is it just me? Or is de Law looking a
Speaker 1: little small? And I'm looking at these comments and like
Speaker 1: half the comments are, nah, Kyle Yeomans is just getting jacked.
Speaker 1: Maybe it because Kyle Yeomens is hitting the weights. I
Speaker 1: can assure you that's not the case. And I can
Speaker 1: also assure you d laws not looking small boys. The
Speaker 1: bots that you paid for don't know when to stop
Speaker 1: start start accounts. They're both just my burners. I switched
Speaker 1: over the profile every once in a while. You got
Speaker 1: you gotta slow the algorithm down. They don't. Oh man,
Speaker 1: but that's the sidetrack. But yeah, we are going to
Speaker 1: talk tomorrow show draft. Sorry, Rob baby Tank, uh baby Tank.
Speaker 1: If that's the nickname, I'll take it. I I love tank.
Speaker 1: Should um Isaiah, you did some some draft work this weekend.
Speaker 1: How did that go? It was good man working with
Speaker 1: the Lockdown podcast network. We were down there at w
Speaker 1: FAA studios. We reported on the one step one step close,
Speaker 1: one step. You just just right there, You just just
Speaker 1: tiptoe tiptoe that burst through the door. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of cred of coverage though. That was a Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was some long days marathon. It is a marathon. Honestly.
Speaker 1: One of the things that helped us get through the
Speaker 1: marathon was this dude right here reading two hundred scouting
Speaker 1: profiles for our draft coverage. I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 1: hit through them. Is there any way for me to
Speaker 1: humble bragging this thing. Do it, no, humble umble, just
Speaker 1: do it, just do it. I did my thing, no,
Speaker 1: you know what. And it was so much fun just
Speaker 1: reading Damn Bugler's book. And he does a really good job.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure all you guys are taking it.
Speaker 1: And you got the digital version because you're a digital brother.
Speaker 1: You don't come down, you know, like I'm not about
Speaker 1: saving paper here. You honestly, some of these people with
Speaker 1: the big ring bind there around their beast. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was one for and thankful for the opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to hear his name quite a few times
Speaker 1: throughout the draft process, reading through Dame Brugler stuff and stuff.
Speaker 1: Getting through that it was awesome. Saved us a ton
Speaker 1: of time. And then also it allowed us to just
Speaker 1: continue to pile on information and that was awesome. And
Speaker 1: then Rob Phillips over here doing this thing on the
Speaker 1: website writing up all the profiles, getting everything together. But
Speaker 1: he stopped doing finger paints with a little lady to
Speaker 1: write some articles. And it took a break. It took
Speaker 1: a break from the you know, baby baby shark got
Speaker 1: that done, did some podcasts into a little TV, and uh,
Speaker 1: we got nine picks to talk about. Man, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: Let's start. We're gonna just go through these one by
Speaker 1: one and kind of talk about the reaction and how
Speaker 1: it led to this and how the Cowboys ended up
Speaker 1: taking these guys and Rob, I'll start with you on
Speaker 1: this one. What was your initial reaction of Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: and how has it evolved as the week has gone along,
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's the biggest thing is when
Speaker 1: the pick was made on Thursday, the instant reaction, to
Speaker 1: a certain extent was disappointment. It really was, I mean,
Speaker 1: plain and simple. There were a lot of people disappointed
Speaker 1: in the pick, but me being included. As we got
Speaker 1: along and as we heard the reasoning and as we
Speaker 1: heard the thought process behind this selection, my thought process
Speaker 1: has evolved too, and it has gone with it. What
Speaker 1: has yours been like over the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing. I think when you
Speaker 1: talk to people not only in the press conferences, but
Speaker 1: off the record just on what they thought of the pick,
Speaker 1: you get a better clear picture of what they wanted
Speaker 1: to do. And honestly, we're doing something on the website
Speaker 1: today about what was your favorite pick, What do you
Speaker 1: have questions about. It's hard for me not to say
Speaker 1: that my favorite pick is Tyler Smith, not knowing whether
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, but just because I feel
Speaker 1: like a hypocrite if I don't say that, Because I
Speaker 1: sat there here in this chair the day after the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers game and said, they've got to address
Speaker 1: a line with their first pick. So and they tried
Speaker 1: to do that, and according to their board. Another board
Speaker 1: always can be wrong, and often is. It's just the
Speaker 1: way the draft goes. They saw value in that pick
Speaker 1: at sixteen overall compared to the twenty fourth pick, so
Speaker 1: they're in their mind they're not reaching. I think the
Speaker 1: disappointment that you're speaking about Kyle is he wasn't a
Speaker 1: known name coming into this draft. In fact, his name
Speaker 1: did not really surface about forty eight hours before the
Speaker 1: pick was mad as a potential Cowboys pick. Until then,
Speaker 1: they kind of kept it from everybody else because they
Speaker 1: worked him out personally and really liked him. But again,
Speaker 1: who knows who knows. They're looking at it from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of left guard year one. I don't think they
Speaker 1: make this pick if they don't think he can be
Speaker 1: that guy right away and left tackle in whatever year
Speaker 1: you want to say it is whenever Tyrann Smith that
Speaker 1: era ends. And if you look at it from that
Speaker 1: two punch approach, the pick makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: That being said, who knows, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: really good players picked right after him that could have
Speaker 1: very good NFL careers. So that's the fun part of
Speaker 1: the draft. Immediately after him, immediately immediately guys on defense
Speaker 1: that could make a big impact for Dame Quinn. And
Speaker 1: so that's that's the beauty of the draft. Man, you
Speaker 1: just don't know, Isaiah. I like the pick number, the
Speaker 1: number one pick. I had no no, no quandaries about it,
Speaker 1: nothing at all. I felt good about the number one
Speaker 1: pick for those exact reasons, and I don't know why
Speaker 1: everybody was up in arms about it. I knew exactly
Speaker 1: what the game was. Well, he did absolutely Other names
Speaker 1: we liked along the way. There were the Zion Johnsons,
Speaker 1: the Kenyan Greens, the Tyler Linder Bombs that we had
Speaker 1: kind of tabbed that we be there. We talked about
Speaker 1: those guys. But when they when when they when they
Speaker 1: show his highlights, I get it right, He's the size
Speaker 1: we need. He the aggressiveness that he has directly affects
Speaker 1: that the portion of what we sat here and talked
Speaker 1: about last week. The run game has to get going. Sure,
Speaker 1: absolutely this This team is crap on offense unless the
Speaker 1: run game is rolling. So that's what he does, right.
Speaker 1: He run blocks really well. So that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that they're gonna do. Heats a plug and play
Speaker 1: guy at the offensive guard position, and I knew immediately
Speaker 1: that the game plan was he's the replacement for Tyron. Right,
Speaker 1: he's the exactly, he's the guy as soon as he retires.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, you're now playing left tackle. And at
Speaker 1: that point in time, we would have already addressed the
Speaker 1: backup guard position or whatever that may be, or maybe
Speaker 1: they address it in that year's draft whenever they find
Speaker 1: out about Tyrant whenever year that is. But this was
Speaker 1: a great, great game plan for round one. I am
Speaker 1: all about their decision around one. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: rest later. Well, you know, not to be redundant, because
Speaker 1: you guys outlined it perfectly and I agree with both
Speaker 1: of you, and I think Kyle, come on, man, you guys,
Speaker 1: would you just just bake this fan base for like
Speaker 1: two months into a frenzy right before the draft, and
Speaker 1: their expectations were so high with that pick. I don't
Speaker 1: think that it could be met unless it just with
Speaker 1: the first pick in the draft. There's something half of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and moved up from twenty four, like
Speaker 1: something crazy like that could have happened, and that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that would have satisfied the fan base. But
Speaker 1: I think all in on when you look at the
Speaker 1: NFC East, it was other teams that I kept looking
Speaker 1: at and going, oh my god, they did what And
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean I showed a lot of
Speaker 1: people a lot of love, and then they go to
Speaker 1: our rivalry and arrival teams and I told you guys
Speaker 1: in the text, I was like, this guy isn't dead
Speaker 1: to me now, Yeah, I love them. Then I won't
Speaker 1: even speak his name. We're gonna talk about it later.
Speaker 1: But it really was. It was just one of those
Speaker 1: drafts where you were looking at around the league and
Speaker 1: asking yourself, like, you know, come on, Tennessee, what did
Speaker 1: we do to you? You know, why did you why
Speaker 1: would you make that trade? You know we would we
Speaker 1: would have made that trade with you, did you know?
Speaker 1: But those were the things that happened, and you've seen
Speaker 1: other teams start to get better that you questioned the pick.
Speaker 1: We knew all along that this team was thinking, look,
Speaker 1: we need a left guard. Oh yeah, they couldn't have
Speaker 1: been thinking anything else. And I think as far as
Speaker 1: much as the fan base think that there's a disconnect
Speaker 1: with the front office, that really isn't. They addressed all
Speaker 1: of the needs that you have, and so they checked
Speaker 1: every box in It may not have been the guy pee.
Speaker 1: I had no idea who this guy was. I even tweeted,
Speaker 1: I said, look, if you had him picked, you have
Speaker 1: a crystal ball. The only place I saw him was
Speaker 1: in Kyle's draft book as a guard and he was
Speaker 1: a tackle, and so that's how I even figured out,
Speaker 1: you know who he was. But guys that the men
Speaker 1: had him as a guard in my in my book, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had him as a guard. He's a tackle. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking at the tackles. I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: not even tackle. The reason why I had him as
Speaker 1: a guard was because when we heard his name for
Speaker 1: the first time at the combine, they had him as
Speaker 1: a guard. So crossed the building. A nugget for you
Speaker 1: right there, guy did right in playing sight, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a fifty six nugget and not a twenty
Speaker 1: four nugget At the time, that was my biggest thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm right there with him, no, and so I
Speaker 1: think that's the surprising thing. But guys, as you look
Speaker 1: at the fan base and and you've talked about this
Speaker 1: to Rob, everybody wanted to move Leo Collins to left guard.
Speaker 1: Nobody was was you know, they no one said anything
Speaker 1: about that because you'd seen him do it. And even
Speaker 1: when you talk about Tyren Smith and where he is
Speaker 1: in his career as an injured Hall of Famer, future
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, but often injured at this point
Speaker 1: in his career, maybe that would have been the move
Speaker 1: to move him down to guard because it limits his space.
Speaker 1: Nobody can understand that perceptionally, but if you're a football player,
Speaker 1: you understand. Look, you just take that guy off the
Speaker 1: island and give him less room to work with and
Speaker 1: help on both sides. But that's the same thing that
Speaker 1: people are thinking. That's what this this this the draft.
Speaker 1: The guys they thought, the scouts excuse me, they thought
Speaker 1: about Smith is that he could go from left tackle
Speaker 1: to left guard to a big Peters. Peters went an
Speaker 1: inside it and he went to a new team and
Speaker 1: they try to put him at left tackle. He was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you gotta up the check. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: pay Peters. It was the Eagles went to the Eagles,
Speaker 1: they had him at left guard and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, we'll swing, you have to tackle and
Speaker 1: he's like different places and tackle money. Yeah. And that's
Speaker 1: the same thing that you hear with Deebo and what
Speaker 1: he's doing at Alan Frisco. There's a lot of that
Speaker 1: going on. And really I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: that I don't do not forget this, but the draft
Speaker 1: really was weird this year, especially for the running back position.
Speaker 1: I think people are talking about quarterback running back position.
Speaker 1: To me, it's really mysterious how they're trying to devalue
Speaker 1: the position. Breece Hall was one of the best running
Speaker 1: backs in the draft. I don't care. He was the best,
Speaker 1: one of the best guys in college, one of the
Speaker 1: best guys in high school. And for him to drop
Speaker 1: into the second round that was that was really trippy.
Speaker 1: But that just tells you where the NFL is going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: running backs become a day three. Position man, it's it's
Speaker 1: day two at least, and sometimes day three because a
Speaker 1: lot of backs got taken on day three. One other
Speaker 1: thing about Tyler Smith, and Nick wrote about this yesterday
Speaker 1: on the website. He talked to Tulsa's head coach Philip Montgomery,
Speaker 1: and I heard this too that it almost changes your
Speaker 1: perspective if you were on the fence or you don't
Speaker 1: like this pick. If he were to have transferred from
Speaker 1: Tulsa next year to a top program, which was a
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a possibility, but teams were
Speaker 1: interested in him if he had played for a big
Speaker 1: time program next year coming from Tulsa been their starting
Speaker 1: left tackle. Where's he going in the draft next year? Though?
Speaker 1: And I think I think when I heard that, it
Speaker 1: kind of changed my perspective of this is a very
Speaker 1: talented young guy who turned twenty one, twenty one three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, which is awesome, and he's got a transition
Speaker 1: to make. He hasn't played guards since senior year of
Speaker 1: high school, so there's a transition here. The penalties were
Speaker 1: a problem at times. That's another thing you hear about
Speaker 1: where some of that was he's knocking the crap out
Speaker 1: of guys, and that's that's that's better than technique issues
Speaker 1: or things like or pre snap stuff. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: can teach you. But their offense was a high temple offense, right,
Speaker 1: and they so I think I think last time I
Speaker 1: check out that he ran two hundred and fifty more
Speaker 1: plays in the next man up. Yes, So if they
Speaker 1: gave you more opportunities to have more penalties, nobody's on
Speaker 1: the island, right, You're on an island at the tackle position.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna be sandwiching between two other three hundred
Speaker 1: plus pound man. You're not gonna have to worry about
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, a lot of snaps in that in
Speaker 1: that regard, You're right, and just meeting seeing him on Friday,
Speaker 1: I think Jerry Manthecparrison to Tirant. He's flows ll big.
Speaker 1: He is a huge offensive lineman. And when you think
Speaker 1: about okay, lack of experience and guard, the physical size
Speaker 1: and strength and power and nastiness, that's exactly what they
Speaker 1: wanted left guard. That's what we've been talking about. They've missed,
Speaker 1: especially in certain matchups. So I'm not saying this pick
Speaker 1: is gonna work, but I understand the thinking, and I
Speaker 1: understand the upside, especially when you're picking in the back
Speaker 1: half of the first round. I mean, it's there's no
Speaker 1: guarantees in the twenties, you know, sometimes there's no guarantees
Speaker 1: in the team and the tens or the teens well.
Speaker 1: And it's also the fact that fans and at the
Speaker 1: time it felt like they had reached on him, and
Speaker 1: I just get that. I get that zero reach. But
Speaker 1: he just he's not He's not Kenyan Green, he's not
Speaker 1: the names we've been talking about. Tyler Hendebaum gets picked
Speaker 1: right after, and that's another pick that, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be watching in three years what happens with these picks.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I get it. I will say the thing
Speaker 1: with the reaching, the narrative not true because Tennessee was
Speaker 1: on the phone. Tennessee was calling to trade up to
Speaker 1: twenty four. They wanted to go offensive line. Dallas said no,
Speaker 1: thank you, hung up the phone, and then immediately Tennessee said, oh,
Speaker 1: they just took Tyler Smith, let me trade back, and
Speaker 1: they trade it out of their spot at twenty six.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys knew that they had their eye on
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith at least Tennessee did so other NFL teams
Speaker 1: were right there in terms of the value of where
Speaker 1: he was taking, what they were doing in the way
Speaker 1: that he fell on the back half of that first round,
Speaker 1: and so the Cowboys feel really really good about that.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, let's move on to the
Speaker 1: second round. In third round, We're gonna bunch these two
Speaker 1: players together because I feel like both Sam Williams aka
Speaker 1: d Williams is what he wants to go by as
Speaker 1: an edge rusher in the NFL, taken at fifty six,
Speaker 1: followed by Jaylen Tilbert at eighty eight, and heckma, I
Speaker 1: mean there was talk that Tolbert would have been the
Speaker 1: pick at fifty six. How do you feel about the
Speaker 1: way that those two picks worked out for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in Day two? Man, I think your scout's are ecstatic
Speaker 1: that it works out that way, Especially if you have
Speaker 1: a grade on these guys, you still end up getting
Speaker 1: both of the guys that you targeted. You know, no
Speaker 1: one is able to get exactly what you want. But
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Sam Williams, he was
Speaker 1: a guy that Jerry sent Dan Quinn to go and
Speaker 1: look at. So that to me that's another bread chrome
Speaker 1: that you kind of you didn't have to do much research.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's out here giving you a personal workout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have interest in you. So look just like you
Speaker 1: talk about the rest of this draft. I think the
Speaker 1: really curious thing was so many guys getting drafted so
Speaker 1: high and not having the production to go with it.
Speaker 1: I call him Valentine's Day guys. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of that where the production didn't meet where they were
Speaker 1: draft to think about when you got drafted, man, where
Speaker 1: these the way that these guys Bernie made off here.
Speaker 1: You know you would you would be happy to be
Speaker 1: in a situation like this. But Sam Williams, to me,
Speaker 1: the production was there from college. I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy that can come into your defensive rotation. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to call him a one trick pony, but
Speaker 1: if he is that one trick pony, he does that well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if I say I just hey, just pining your
Speaker 1: ears back and go after people, yeah, he can do that.
Speaker 1: And the wide receiver from Alabama what we need Alabama
Speaker 1: South Alabama my best big difference South Alabama. Look all
Speaker 1: this tough guy talk, all that, you know, we need
Speaker 1: a guy that go get the rock. That's what we need,
Speaker 1: and that's what he does does. He goes and he
Speaker 1: gets the rock and he look for He's a superior
Speaker 1: enough route runner that I think this offense won't be
Speaker 1: hard for him to pick up. He goes and he
Speaker 1: grabs the ball, and I think, if you're a quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's your best friend. If I can trust you and
Speaker 1: you have taping. They talk about Dak calling him, that's
Speaker 1: to me, that's all about saying, we want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we get you the right guy. And that's
Speaker 1: what I loved about Sam Tober. He just seemed like
Speaker 1: the right guy for Dallas at that pick. It's funny
Speaker 1: because you mentioned the route running and his ability to
Speaker 1: go up and get the football. I mean, they're both great,
Speaker 1: but the biggest thing for him in terms of being
Speaker 1: a Dak receiver or a guy that could fit Dad,
Speaker 1: he creates his own separation. And that's something that a
Speaker 1: lot of times didn't necessarily work out with Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper was a great route runner, there wasn't always
Speaker 1: that big window of separation. You're hoping Jaylen Tolber could
Speaker 1: do that, much like how Amari or excuse me much,
Speaker 1: how like Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup have done. Yes,
Speaker 1: he can go up and get the football and he
Speaker 1: can make contested catches, but he brings separation to his game.
Speaker 1: And Isaiah, I know you've you've talked about that at
Speaker 1: an extensive Dack's not going to throw it in the
Speaker 1: tight window. He's gonna take care of the football. Can
Speaker 1: Jaylen Tolbert help in that regard. I think he can.
Speaker 1: I think he's a shifty guy that you need if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go receiver. Obviously at that point in time.
Speaker 1: He's a style of receiver that you need. You see
Speaker 1: some of these other teams like Green Bay going with
Speaker 1: the big six four cats, and I don't think that's
Speaker 1: what Dallas needed. I think this the trailing Burks of
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, yeah, I don't think they need that
Speaker 1: style of receiver. I mentioned last week how Dallas needed
Speaker 1: a shifty, you know, Wes Wilker ish type guy. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's that, but I do think that he
Speaker 1: fits the mold of terms of being able to move
Speaker 1: the chains, and that's ultimate based upon his draft, that's
Speaker 1: the direction they're going. They didn't really go with on
Speaker 1: offensively goal with anybody really explosive in that regard. They
Speaker 1: just like for guys that are gonna be sure things,
Speaker 1: sure blockers, sure catchers, move the chains. That's an interesting point.
Speaker 1: I haven't necessarily thought of it that way. I want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts first. No, for sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's being Dak's best friend in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: Dak friendly, whatever you want to call it. That's to me,
Speaker 1: that's as important as any other skill you can have.
Speaker 1: And that's what made a Maori so reliable. So and
Speaker 1: they've got to replace that. They got to replace the
Speaker 1: best route runner on the team and one of the
Speaker 1: best route runners in the league. He is explosive. He
Speaker 1: runs Jayalen Tilbert runs four four I think average eighteen
Speaker 1: yards a catch the last three years in college. So
Speaker 1: and you're you're right, he's super competitive. Could have played
Speaker 1: at a bigger school too, he decided to kind of
Speaker 1: stay closer to home, and he got some late offers
Speaker 1: to Power five Conference teams late in the recruitment process.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you guys mentioned Sam Williams, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's there's an off the field matter there that
Speaker 1: they had to look into. He had a sexual battery
Speaker 1: charge in twenty twenty in July that year, and the
Speaker 1: charge was dropped two months later. Went back to school,
Speaker 1: played um that, you know, and the Cowboys looked into that,
Speaker 1: and they do look into that those types of things.
Speaker 1: Let's I know, people get skeptical about that thing, but
Speaker 1: they do. They do extensive work type of stuff they
Speaker 1: do in terms of on the field, he's got bend
Speaker 1: and he runs four four as a as an edge usher,
Speaker 1: he could plug right into the rotation. And you know,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's gonna has a plan in mind for how
Speaker 1: he can help because because we saw it last year,
Speaker 1: that's terrifying to think about dan Quinn and what he
Speaker 1: can do with Michael Parsons on one side, de Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence on another side, and then Sam Williams kind of
Speaker 1: mixed in there in between somewhere. I guess it could
Speaker 1: be it would be Williams and then Lawrence and then
Speaker 1: Parsons mixed in between. That's probably the more likely of
Speaker 1: the three, you know. And I want to go back
Speaker 1: to something you said about this separation and Dak and
Speaker 1: this perception that Dak can't throw receivers open, and this
Speaker 1: what I want to say is that Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: also was also a burner. He's a he was a
Speaker 1: track guy. You know, That's that was who he was,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people miss that when
Speaker 1: they talk about him. Dak has to the timing in
Speaker 1: this offense has to be cultivated in this offseason. You
Speaker 1: don't have the same mistake. You still don't have this
Speaker 1: the injury element there. He can be better with his
Speaker 1: connection with his receivers and that's what I'm seeing now
Speaker 1: through OTAs and and that's gonna make the difference because
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to drive the bush. There isn't there isn't,
Speaker 1: make no mistake about it. It's not a team in
Speaker 1: the NFL that doesn't need their quarterback to be the
Speaker 1: leader of their franchise. We have one. And so all
Speaker 1: these questions about his ability and what he can and
Speaker 1: can't do. He had the number one offense in the
Speaker 1: league last year. What you want to see them do
Speaker 1: is closed the deal. That's it. That's all you want
Speaker 1: to see them do. And that's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: availability health. You know, they were at the point where
Speaker 1: they were healthy. The running game let you down the
Speaker 1: wide receivers that you had, they didn't. They let you
Speaker 1: down as well. And so we're looking at a team
Speaker 1: right now that feels as though we got enough. They
Speaker 1: obviously feel that way, then made any moves to argue
Speaker 1: the contract every like we obviously got enough. And so
Speaker 1: if they feel like the players that we have we
Speaker 1: lose Amar, we bring in Tobard. Okay, let's roll. Then
Speaker 1: that means that CD got a step all the way
Speaker 1: up to the play. This is a great segue because
Speaker 1: this draft gives us a clear picture, or at least
Speaker 1: I think it's a clear error picture of where this
Speaker 1: organization is going from a personnel standpoint. We're going to
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Speaker 1: we continue on breaking down the recent NFL draft and
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys direction is moving forward. But first, gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: a jazz fest. We're all white, Lenden. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that. About to say is that you're
Speaker 1: trying to get me in trouble or it's like that's
Speaker 1: what we know. I don't think trouble than you. I
Speaker 1: love you, Kyle. That's really that's really the thing. Right,
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Speaker 1: Go get your tickets for Taco Fest. That sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I wish I could go. But
Speaker 1: happy early birthday, thank you, yes birthday. Um, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the direction of this team, because Isaiah made a
Speaker 1: fantastic point in the opening segment and and a lot
Speaker 1: of the a lot of the talk, a lot of
Speaker 1: the murmurs round this draft classes that they went for toughness, size, traits,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. They went for toughness
Speaker 1: and traits. That's what they went for. And then for
Speaker 1: early parts of the draft they go get Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: they get Dee Williams, they get Jalen Tolbert and there's
Speaker 1: the toughness. Then you go with the traits on the
Speaker 1: back end with guys like Matt will let's go or yeah,
Speaker 1: Labron Blands, John Ridgeway, Daman Clark, traits, Boom, there you go.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the way that they want to
Speaker 1: move the football down the field on offense. Is that
Speaker 1: where the toughness comes in is moving the chains more
Speaker 1: ground and pound, not letting anyone bully you and instead
Speaker 1: becoming the bully. Because we talked about that tenacity being
Speaker 1: non existent in the playoff run, or at least the
Speaker 1: short playoff run that it was. Is this their way
Speaker 1: to try and rectify that. I don't know about them
Speaker 1: rectifying the bully side of it. I think they want
Speaker 1: to be more consistent, and I think that's the direction
Speaker 1: that they're going with this draft and with their offseason
Speaker 1: that they've had. You pick up James Washington, what is it?
Speaker 1: He's a consistent receiver. He's a guy that's gonna catch
Speaker 1: the ball and get the first down. You're not expecting
Speaker 1: him to go run past the world. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at that. You know Tolbert's the same type
Speaker 1: of guy. He's aggressive, he's gonna get in there. He's
Speaker 1: not afraid to run block. Well, guess what you need?
Speaker 1: You need to get the ground game going. Why do
Speaker 1: you pick up Tyler Smith? Well, you need to get
Speaker 1: the ground game going, and you needed to share things
Speaker 1: up for the left guard position. Um, Sam Williams, I
Speaker 1: think you could have picked up anybody on defense, honestly,
Speaker 1: but mostly talking offense defense. I agree with you that
Speaker 1: that was all trading. Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, if
Speaker 1: you talk about Ferguson, I mean Ferguson, I think is
Speaker 1: that he's not an explosive tight end. He's a big
Speaker 1: guy that wants to block, can block. He wants to block.
Speaker 1: What do we talk about all all season so far
Speaker 1: when they need to find some help for for Schulty.
Speaker 1: You know, Scholzenegger is not a blocker's he's a consistent catcher.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna run by you either. He's just gonna
Speaker 1: catch the ball and get a first down. Cool. It's
Speaker 1: like a pinnacle of consistency. That's what this draft seemingly is.
Speaker 1: It's not. I think fans are disappointed, probably because there's
Speaker 1: no big highlight. There's just you know, just black markers.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no there's nothing bright and fancy and sparkly.
Speaker 1: Is just consistent, and I think I think that's what
Speaker 1: they're looking for, all right. Man, that's I love what
Speaker 1: you're saying, because you're saying, we need a dude, you know,
Speaker 1: give me a dude that I know I can trust
Speaker 1: to be the player that we've seen him be on tape.
Speaker 1: Everybody that you're showing me, you're projecting. You're basing it
Speaker 1: off of the potential of the player, and nobody wants
Speaker 1: to hear that. We want to know that you can
Speaker 1: come in and you can get the job done. And
Speaker 1: that's why the draft is so interesting. No one knows
Speaker 1: this guy Smith can come in and be everything that
Speaker 1: you need at left guard. Sam Williams is not going
Speaker 1: to be the guy that you you put everything on
Speaker 1: him to be successful. At edge, you have those guys already.
Speaker 1: You have a Dante Fowler. People don't want to hear that,
Speaker 1: but Dan, if you trust dan Quinn, then you trust
Speaker 1: the decisions that he even made during this draft. I
Speaker 1: think the defense is going to be ten times better
Speaker 1: the two under two years of Dan Quinn, and I
Speaker 1: trust that. Offensively, we just need to get this running
Speaker 1: game going. That's look, there's no other way to particularly
Speaker 1: put this together than to say, look, this offense has
Speaker 1: to run better, especially in the latter half. We've been
Speaker 1: cursed by the curse of December. Now it's just the
Speaker 1: last eight games of the season that we have to
Speaker 1: get and find that rhythm. We were the healthiest team
Speaker 1: in the NFC and still found a way to get
Speaker 1: bounced out of the first round. So with the players
Speaker 1: that you have, the roster that you're putting together, you
Speaker 1: the front office is saying to me, I trust what
Speaker 1: I have and I'm willing to go to war based
Speaker 1: off of the schedule that we have. And guys, we
Speaker 1: play some teams this year, and so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the team that you're going to war with. It's based
Speaker 1: off of Jalen Tolbert and company, all right, and you
Speaker 1: need Ceedee Lamb to be the ultimate best part of himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think if you're a fan in you
Speaker 1: your skeptical of this draft and if just cool about
Speaker 1: just everything they do. Why is it every time you
Speaker 1: say that word, I immediately think of David Hellman. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he would probably take that as a company.
Speaker 1: You could point to what we just talked about, like
Speaker 1: Isaiah talking about the sharpie and you're just checking off boxes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not patting myself on the back because nobody
Speaker 1: asked me over there. But when I do my and
Speaker 1: I'd said this last week, I'm pretty basic with my
Speaker 1: mock drafts. Like I just I'm basic in general. But
Speaker 1: when I go down, I go down the list and
Speaker 1: I say in order, like here's you know, here's the
Speaker 1: here's the needs basically in order, and okay, here's a
Speaker 1: guy that could fit here and here and hear my mock.
Speaker 1: I didn't get any of the names right, but I
Speaker 1: had the positions right, I think in the first four
Speaker 1: rounds and maybe five of my initial And my point
Speaker 1: is that never happens. That never happens because usually they'll
Speaker 1: surprise you with a pick of a BPA guy. And
Speaker 1: I think fans might look at this draft and say,
Speaker 1: did they really do that or did they just did
Speaker 1: they reach? Did they go for knee needs at every round?
Speaker 1: And they say no, they said that every everybody on
Speaker 1: Day three was a value pick, like was a fourth
Speaker 1: round or better, except for Ridgeway, who was a fifth
Speaker 1: round grade and even then a lot of people had
Speaker 1: him as a third or a fourth. Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: say they feel like they got value and need at
Speaker 1: the same time. And I think that's that's an accomplishment
Speaker 1: in itself. Will see how it plays out if guys
Speaker 1: can step in and play and help. But to your
Speaker 1: point about a Heck's point about getting stronger, getting tougher mindset,
Speaker 1: I definitely think that was a factor. You guys mentioned
Speaker 1: the offense, and Tyler Smith can hopefully helps the run
Speaker 1: game immediately with that. On defense, Jerry spoke specifically about
Speaker 1: the Ridgeway pick, the deep tackle out of Arkansas, how
Speaker 1: he said we got big boyd in the playoffs basically,
Speaker 1: and Mike was sitting there during the Day three talking
Speaker 1: about remember the playoffs. Remember the playoffs. They got out
Speaker 1: physical in that game, and there's other games you can
Speaker 1: point to Denver, Kansas City where they did too offense
Speaker 1: and defense. I do think there's something to that. Like there,
Speaker 1: they just went and drafted another three hundred twenty pound
Speaker 1: plus guy to help kind of be Brent Urban, to
Speaker 1: help stuff the run. They're trying to get stronger and
Speaker 1: tougher inside on both lines and we'll see if it
Speaker 1: works out. And that's what I felt about the Ridgeway pick.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the answer to Brent Urban's
Speaker 1: because when he went out I believe it was a
Speaker 1: tricept injury that that took him out. There's there's something
Speaker 1: happened to us at the line of scrimmage, and it
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough presence. His presence. I think it really
Speaker 1: did deter a lot of guys from running on us,
Speaker 1: and that's when you started to see those teams those
Speaker 1: Denver was pretty much one of the first teams that
Speaker 1: I saw have that kind of success, like we can't
Speaker 1: stop them right now on the run and in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: it just felt as though we can't stop them. You
Speaker 1: need that, and you get a young, big body like
Speaker 1: Ridgeway that had a third round grade, there's no way
Speaker 1: you can't be excited about that. I really like Ridgeways,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't mean this in a bad way,
Speaker 1: because I do. I think he I think in terms
Speaker 1: of the value picks that they had in the drafty,
Speaker 1: they grabbed a good guy there on the back side
Speaker 1: of it, and he's Arkansas boy, and he's an Arkansas boy.
Speaker 1: That's fine. It's only the second guy they've ever taken
Speaker 1: out of Arkansas. There's no bias there. It's the first
Speaker 1: time since two thousand and eight. Felix Jones is the
Speaker 1: last time. So I'm saying it doesn't hurt. It doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt now. So he brings the tough, toughness, he brings
Speaker 1: the physicality. Does it worry you in the fact that
Speaker 1: I agree completely with the way you just outlined that, Heckman,
Speaker 1: because of the Denver game, I'm thinking about the playoff game.
Speaker 1: They waited till the fifth round to address that not
Speaker 1: only the fifth round, but their fourth pick in the
Speaker 1: fifth round to try and address a big time problem
Speaker 1: there is that still a hole after this draft is
Speaker 1: their run defense and their toughness on the interior of
Speaker 1: that defensive line. That's that's exactly what I meant by
Speaker 1: dan Quinn another year of his system. I think you
Speaker 1: get a lot of that taken care of, because the
Speaker 1: argument before is that they the Cowboys only need a
Speaker 1: middle of the road defense to be successful. Or you
Speaker 1: were the middle of the road last year and now
Speaker 1: with some more picks and you look, we still hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten the camp and they're gonna be teams that's gonna
Speaker 1: let guys go. And as the front office has said,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not done in free agency either, so
Speaker 1: I expect for us to still be able to get
Speaker 1: guys that may be a bridge player, but be a
Speaker 1: guy that can come in and impact your team. We
Speaker 1: thought that, uh, you know, the frequent nephew is going
Speaker 1: to be a bridge player. Curse jerun curse. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna be a bridge player. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He ended up being exactly what you needed on defense.
Speaker 1: We haven't addressed the free safety position. Really, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, we have a guy that's coming off
Speaker 1: an achilles injury that had an okay season, But what
Speaker 1: is it going to be for him to be have
Speaker 1: another year in dan Quo assist dan Quinn system. So
Speaker 1: if we've put all this trust in him, I have
Speaker 1: to trust him as well and say that the defense
Speaker 1: can be better. Isaiah, what do you think about that
Speaker 1: that side of the defense? That tenacity and what they
Speaker 1: did to kind of cover some of those holes. Uh,
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see them be a little
Speaker 1: bit more aggressive at the linebacker position. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: linebacker an interior the lineman to me, was more of
Speaker 1: a necessity than a defensive end personally. I don't think
Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. There aren't that many dominant
Speaker 1: defensive ends in this league. They just aren't. And most
Speaker 1: of them, most of the ones that are very dominant,
Speaker 1: they're playing on the same teams. There's a handful of teams,
Speaker 1: right the AFC, the AFC West took all them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so Raiders, Yeah, you know Raiders Chargers. I mean
Speaker 1: they have four of the guys, right, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean there's just not that many of them. So
Speaker 1: I understand the them wanting to say, Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: position that we need to get some more depth at.
Speaker 1: But personally, I think there were more effective players in
Speaker 1: this particular draft that didn't have a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that were very explosive and you know, come, jump off
Speaker 1: the screen type guys that we had opportunities go grab
Speaker 1: that I think would have had a greater impact on
Speaker 1: this team right now. Yeah, anybody specific that you wanted,
Speaker 1: I mean, no, let's go for it. So Isaiah you
Speaker 1: you mentioned it last week. Yes, you talked about how
Speaker 1: you had a wish list, short list of guys that
Speaker 1: you really wanted to go to. And we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFC in a little bit, especially
Speaker 1: the NFC East. One of those teams selected that guy
Speaker 1: off your wish list, and that was mister Nakobe Dean,
Speaker 1: who's going to Philadelphia. He was selected by the Eagles.
Speaker 1: What was it in a fourth round eighty three? It
Speaker 1: was Okay, how does that make you feel angry? But
Speaker 1: this is a therapy session for all of Okay, it
Speaker 1: made me feel very angry, Kyle Um Okay, reason being,
Speaker 1: I think everybody expected him to be gone in the
Speaker 1: first round. I don't think there's anybody that thought otherwise.
Speaker 1: Now throughout the draft, we found out more information about
Speaker 1: there being injuries him not wanted to get surgeries, blase blase,
Speaker 1: and he continued to fall being that you never thought
Speaker 1: that you even had a shot at him. Right, you
Speaker 1: need to address old line. You had one first round pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: you take care of you old line. You gotta get him, Okay,
Speaker 1: that dude's still sitting around kind of crazy. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go take care of our defensive end position because that's
Speaker 1: what we really want to do here in Dallas. We
Speaker 1: lost Randy Gregor. We feel like, oh we have a big,
Speaker 1: gaping hole down, so let's get the defensive end. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: All right, Um, he's still around. You have three first round, three,
Speaker 1: fifth round, four, fifth round picks that you could have
Speaker 1: could have could have shot shot shot the dice ad
Speaker 1: and moved up to go grab him, but no, another
Speaker 1: team grabs him five picks before you in the third round.
Speaker 1: He to me, was one of the few players in
Speaker 1: this draft that was just physical, specimen, explosive, just I
Speaker 1: don't want to face that guy type of type of
Speaker 1: dude on defense, and you had an opportunity, which we
Speaker 1: have a whole because we have we have a Jabril
Speaker 1: Clocks that we drafted last year that's coming off of
Speaker 1: ACL So we don't know how explosive he's going to be.
Speaker 1: We know he's gonna get back healthy, but do we
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be as explosive as what
Speaker 1: we was he was when we drafted him. No, that's
Speaker 1: that's a big question mark. You have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go grab a player that you know nobody wants to
Speaker 1: face that was a complete terror. If you have a
Speaker 1: question mark on Shabril Cox, wouldn't you have a bigger
Speaker 1: question mark on a guy who has a shoulder shoulders
Speaker 1: because I've had three shoulder surgeries, you see, but he
Speaker 1: hadn't even had so shoulder surgery and he refuses to
Speaker 1: get shoulder surgery. I think he might have been misguided
Speaker 1: by his agent, And that's all speculation. Maybe they have
Speaker 1: more information than I'm sure they have more information than
Speaker 1: I have to say. Yeah, I hope so, But I
Speaker 1: look at it from this. From this, for this potential,
Speaker 1: you have vander ash that you resigned, that you put
Speaker 1: in the middle or you know, Yeah, Vandersh's in the middle. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's he's a big block, six four, two fifty plus. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere you need him to come downhill
Speaker 1: neck Roland All. You have a guy outside of him
Speaker 1: that you drafted last year at Aka to Bozuka. That's
Speaker 1: a complete tarrant that can walk down at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But his position is outside linebacker. Correct. You
Speaker 1: could have put an Kobe Dean on the opposite side
Speaker 1: of vanders So you could have had an Akobe Dean,
Speaker 1: vander Ash and Michael Parsons at the second level. Who
Speaker 1: who is working up to the second level and getting
Speaker 1: those guys Michael Parsons of Nikobe Deane running sideline the
Speaker 1: sideline is a complete, absolute worst case scenario at the
Speaker 1: second level for any team that plays against Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that they the linebacker depth
Speaker 1: doesn't look nearly as deep as it did last year.
Speaker 1: I will say a lot of times they're last year,
Speaker 1: they're playing two linebackers and they're playing three safeties. And
Speaker 1: Jayron Curse, I don't they don't call him a linebacker,
Speaker 1: but he's might as well. And if you look at
Speaker 1: the snaps, you know, like vander esh is getting fifty
Speaker 1: something percent of the snaps and I'm blanking on on
Speaker 1: Keanu Neeil is getting about half the snaps. So the
Speaker 1: way they play their defense, maybe they don't view it
Speaker 1: as as much of a need. If you got Jeron
Speaker 1: Krison ever comes off the field, to your point, he's
Speaker 1: a terrific Kobe Dean's a terrific talent. And Kyle mentioned
Speaker 1: some of the injuries Labram Kneed tendonitis. Apparently, according to reports,
Speaker 1: the peck all those things is why he dropped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, but taking but taking into account, I
Speaker 1: know you're going towards the scheme, and I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. How often did we do exactly what you
Speaker 1: wanted us to do last year, which was putting Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons at the defensive imposition? Well, yeah, you move him around,
Speaker 1: you move him around, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: don't have Michael Parsons at a second level. But had
Speaker 1: you had to know Kobe Dean, you could put Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons at the defensive in position and bring to Kobe
Speaker 1: Dean in at this linebacker and now you have vander
Speaker 1: esh and to Kobe Dean at the second level. This
Speaker 1: is literally preaching to the choir because I was willing
Speaker 1: to take the Kobe Dean with the first bit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on your side. No. So my my problem with
Speaker 1: once he started to fall and I didn't even hear
Speaker 1: about the injury issues until after, seriously, and that shocked
Speaker 1: me that he fell past the first round, the first
Speaker 1: round and then in the second round have I'm like,
Speaker 1: well something something, something just happened, and then that you
Speaker 1: start to hear the murmurs. I believe that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: obviously had to have done their research, just like all
Speaker 1: the other teams did their research, because not only do
Speaker 1: you have a physical presence that you're talking about, the
Speaker 1: kid is smart, yeah, and you need, especially in the
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defense, you need a smart player like a
Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean. Let's not even talk about Nikobe dan Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Bobby Wagners that we don't sign, the
Speaker 1: other guys that we had an opportunity to sign because
Speaker 1: we basically deemed that position as a need. Obviously, they
Speaker 1: know something about the way that they're going to use
Speaker 1: that position that we don't know because they're not signing linebackers.
Speaker 1: They didn't go through. And the linebacker that they got
Speaker 1: is a guy that's going to actually be a project
Speaker 1: for next year next year because of the back fall.
Speaker 1: That's a great I was just gonna say the dart
Speaker 1: that they threw was Damon Clark in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: who might have been Kyle I don't know, third round
Speaker 1: pick if he was healthy. I had him as a
Speaker 1: top sixty players, top sixty players. I had a second
Speaker 1: round grade on the guy and a late second round grade.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say that's not a calculated risk either,
Speaker 1: because you know, spinal fusion, that's no joke to come
Speaker 1: back from and play that position. Layton vander esh is
Speaker 1: back from from having that kind of surgery, so they
Speaker 1: have experience with it. You know, you just prove. You're
Speaker 1: just proving this point because he's like, let me sacrifice
Speaker 1: one of these fifths to get the guy that you
Speaker 1: can come in and play right now. But that's that's
Speaker 1: that's a fifth round that's a fifth round pick by itself.
Speaker 1: Then giving up a fifth round pick and a top
Speaker 1: one hundred pick to go and do it. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing you're you're paying a previoum price. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned his speed and like the ability to go sideline
Speaker 1: the sideline, that's great. He's five eleven. Sure he can
Speaker 1: run around five eleven two hundred and thirty pounds. He
Speaker 1: is a small linebacker. You drafted a guy in Sam
Speaker 1: Williams who's six foot three, two hundred and sixty pounds
Speaker 1: and ran a four four six. N Kobe d didn't
Speaker 1: run a forty. But you know what his league guest
Speaker 1: dement was on his forty And it's right here. You
Speaker 1: can look at it. It's on the a TP sheets.
Speaker 1: Try here, four four six is his guests. That's what
Speaker 1: they want, that's what they thought he would run. Yes,
Speaker 1: can I raise my hand? Okay? So forty is a
Speaker 1: great statistic. It's a great thing for the combine, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it equates to field an actual game speed and
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. Nobody's talking about how how how nasty
Speaker 1: of a player and how dominant player Sam Williams. There's
Speaker 1: no distress. Williams broke the single season record of Noman.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about him in the same conversation as a
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dan. No disrespect, no disrespect. I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: potential to have a Michael Parsons and then Kobe Dan
Speaker 1: at the second level on the same team. That is nasty.
Speaker 1: You don't want to face it. But if the guy
Speaker 1: comes in with a peck and everybody doctor Cooper, who
Speaker 1: is a master of sewing stuff up, and you have
Speaker 1: him sew it up, and you don't think Cooper was
Speaker 1: a part of this process, I understand, and I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and I'm sure there's a reason why
Speaker 1: I understand. There's a reason why they didn't make the decision.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm just talking about the potential. No,
Speaker 1: you're not. I'm talking about the potent, just like Philadelphia
Speaker 1: thought about the potential. I just think they were Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think they couldn't pass on it. They didn't
Speaker 1: pass on it. Dallas is taking the safe route this draft.
Speaker 1: That's what they did. Understand it, America are saying they did.
Speaker 1: They didn't take anything that was sparkly. Even if it
Speaker 1: falls in your lap. Last year, last year, things fail
Speaker 1: in your lap. Last year things fell on your lap.
Speaker 1: The year before that, things fell in your lap, and
Speaker 1: you took it and some of that and it worked
Speaker 1: out for you. Some of that where you're picking too,
Speaker 1: but it worked out for you. Everything to do Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb filling your lap, Give me that, Michael Parsons failing
Speaker 1: your lap. Give me that Kobe d filing your lap.
Speaker 1: Get away. I don't. I don't fault them from the
Speaker 1: pure football perspective, taking an edge rusher going in the
Speaker 1: top two rounds because I said this last week, like,
Speaker 1: if you want to get a guy and you don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you. I forget kind of how
Speaker 1: you feel about life after Randy Gregory, what that position
Speaker 1: looks like. But if you want to try to upgrade there,
Speaker 1: you can't wait till day three. But you guys know
Speaker 1: how I feel about the position. Randy Gregory's not in
Speaker 1: the conversation of the greats in this league. No, but
Speaker 1: he he was. He's not. I'm just not. But he's
Speaker 1: a person that I'm worried about games. He's a He's
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm worried about maybe twice a game.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not disrespect him, that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: There's maybe two plays a game that he just totally
Speaker 1: wrecks it. For you, you're just like crap fifty eight
Speaker 1: more then then that tells you how the organization viewed
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's absence with them going into the second round
Speaker 1: and getting an edge rusher. They were solid on Sam Williams,
Speaker 1: and who knows if they had signed Randy, would they
Speaker 1: have signed Okay with that option be more of a
Speaker 1: more lexibility to get a guy like Nikobe dam I
Speaker 1: think all of those things kind of played into the
Speaker 1: equation and that's why they didn't take. I just I
Speaker 1: just I just understand dan Quinn's system. Obviously, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I've understood it for a long time, and I understand
Speaker 1: what the addition, He'll He'll be fine, the Devas will
Speaker 1: be fine. But the threat of those guys and that
Speaker 1: speed and that tenacity, what that could have been in
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn system would have been an absolute terror.
Speaker 1: Because other teams in our division that we're about to
Speaker 1: talk about just they just leveled up and they said
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a terror. Let's talk about it. On
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Speaker 1: to terms with and everybody's probably seen it by now.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty rookie free agents, undrafted, Yeah, undrafted guys and
Speaker 1: uh we'll not be official, won't sign until next week
Speaker 1: after the guys undergo physicals and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: the mini camp is next weekend, so thirteenth through the fifteenth, right,
Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteenth. Yeah, I think that's right. And so
Speaker 1: once to sign this group of guys, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make I think two roster moves probably next week. Okay,
Speaker 1: by next week. Good to know, good to know, So
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on that. I think next week
Speaker 1: we're gonna outline some of the undrafted free agents, talk
Speaker 1: about rookie Meti Caamp. We're gonna get more in detail
Speaker 1: next week about the back half of these picks, but
Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of outline the first two rounds
Speaker 1: or first three rounds and what direction this Cowboys team
Speaker 1: is heading in. But what about the direction of the
Speaker 1: division as well? Uh uh. Let's start with the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. Cabon Thibadeau with fifth pick, just a massive player,
Speaker 1: my top player in the draft. They get him a
Speaker 1: number five edge rusher out of Oregon. At number seven.
Speaker 1: They turn around and they draft their favorite offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: MYOT three, Evan Neil out of Alabama. So they upgrade
Speaker 1: both of their edges offensive line edge and their defensive
Speaker 1: line edge. And then they had a couple of guys
Speaker 1: on the back end, Darian Beaver's linebacker from Cincinnati, Wandale
Speaker 1: Robinson out of Kentucky. Probably your Cadarius Tony replacement if
Speaker 1: you really wanted to get into it. They snagged Joshua Zudu,
Speaker 1: who was an interior offensive lineman out of North Carolina
Speaker 1: that was a thirty visit Bellinger for the Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: then they did take Daniel Bellinger who was a tight
Speaker 1: end target for the Cowboys. So overall, what are we
Speaker 1: thinking about the Giants draft just with those names off
Speaker 1: the board? Heckma, Well, I mean, Thibodeaux is a player
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be impactful. He raised Hell,
Speaker 1: He's on a lot of people's draft board. He's the
Speaker 1: first guy that should have been taken. Superior athlete he is,
Speaker 1: He's quick. You talk about bend All, he has all
Speaker 1: of the intangibles. Will he work in that system with
Speaker 1: the new coaching staff yet to be seen, But I
Speaker 1: do feel like he's a He's a player that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with. Man and a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys and a lot of these different uh, for
Speaker 1: a lot of the NFC's teams, I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to deal with. But here we are, you know,
Speaker 1: the tight end was the position was where I felt
Speaker 1: like they got tremendously better. The kid out of San
Speaker 1: Diego State is he really is and he is everything
Speaker 1: that the kid that they had there before from Old
Speaker 1: miss wasn't you know. Um And he's big, He block,
Speaker 1: pass catcher, all of those things. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the picks that I've really paid more attention to. But
Speaker 1: I like him as an edge and and Neil is
Speaker 1: such a big kid. I just remember looking at my
Speaker 1: television on Saturday's going what is his mom's grocery bill? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's six eight, three hundred and seventeen pounds.
Speaker 1: I mean, how the receipt is like out there? Get
Speaker 1: how big? And you have something to compare it to.
Speaker 1: You have a high schooler now or what's about to
Speaker 1: be a high schooler who's gonna play football and he's not.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, that's what I'm saying. Compare that
Speaker 1: to Evan Neil. That's a big human being. And so
Speaker 1: I mean they got they really did get better and
Speaker 1: I felt I'm sure that they felt good about their draft,
Speaker 1: but the middle of the draft was probably kind of
Speaker 1: like I was like, who's that guy? What's that guy?
Speaker 1: You know? But at the positions that they need to
Speaker 1: get better at. It was definitely offensive line in edge Russia.
Speaker 1: I feel confident in those picks. What do you think
Speaker 1: about it, Rob, Yeah, I totally agree, and I'm I
Speaker 1: thought about when when Isaiah was with the Giants, like
Speaker 1: they've always when they've been really good, they've had great
Speaker 1: edge guys in the trenches both sides, especially on the
Speaker 1: defensive side, to get to the quarterback. So that's, you know,
Speaker 1: it's important the Cowboys hit on the picks that they
Speaker 1: made um and for Evan Neil, like, that's you're trying
Speaker 1: to evaluate your quarterback position in New York and one
Speaker 1: more year for Daniel Jones to get it done and
Speaker 1: then we'll see what they do from there. But that
Speaker 1: that's been a problem for them for years as their
Speaker 1: offensive line protection. So that was I think that was
Speaker 1: a really solid pick for them. Welcome to the league,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, because you've not only got Cabon Thibodeau as
Speaker 1: a guy maybe in the future if you swing out
Speaker 1: the tackle that you're gonna have to face twice a year.
Speaker 1: But you've also got Federian mathis the interior defensive lineman
Speaker 1: that went to Washington twice a year while you're at guard.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side. Oh yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis goes to Philadelphia first round pick. Philadelphia not
Speaker 1: only making one first round pick, but they traded another
Speaker 1: one for A J. Brown. So I can already see
Speaker 1: the face. It was in our text group that night.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of frustration from all of us. I
Speaker 1: think we all love Jordan Davis as a as a
Speaker 1: as a draft prospect. He can't just mention him by
Speaker 1: himself anymore, right, you can't understand that he just got drafted.
Speaker 1: He's no longer can be just a solo. He can't
Speaker 1: be an individual. He is now attached to Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: He's the understudy. He is the next man up. But
Speaker 1: also side by side, side by side, different gaps, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna be side by side. YEA. If Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: and Fletcher Cox are walking down the sidewalk you across
Speaker 1: the street. Absolutely, absolutely that's what happened. You get out
Speaker 1: of the way. This is a massive humanity. I sat
Speaker 1: down with with All with an all pro officivelignement yesterday evening,
Speaker 1: who used to play for the Dallas Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: asked him, what is the game plan? What's the game
Speaker 1: plan if you were playing today? If what will be
Speaker 1: your game plan going against Jordan Davis and Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: He looked away, you know, he could he's no, he's
Speaker 1: no punk. Now he had Pro Bowls or something like that.
Speaker 1: Came back, you know, and I was like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you could try to do this, or you could try
Speaker 1: to do that. But I'm like, yeah, that's an attempt.
Speaker 1: This is a pro bowler, multi pro bowler telling me
Speaker 1: that there's no good game plan against seven hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of grown man. That's angry and that's athletic and fast
Speaker 1: and strong. Yeah. Oh by the way, sorry, I know
Speaker 1: we just finished talking about Nakobe Dean. He's behind them.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know so much for what people have
Speaker 1: said about Nakobe Dean. He you know, what kind of
Speaker 1: linebacker is he gonna be without George Davis in front
Speaker 1: of him? Man? You know what my answer is, I
Speaker 1: guess we'll never know. In the words of Kanye West,
Speaker 1: we'll never know what it. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 1: and imagine how he can run and what Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: is going to meet for him, those that linebacking group.
Speaker 1: It really takes a lot of the pressure off of
Speaker 1: you when you have guys like that that are gobbling
Speaker 1: up blocks. And that's why Ridgeway is so important. And
Speaker 1: that's why you want bo Hannah to turn the curve
Speaker 1: to be that kind of guy up front, because you
Speaker 1: need those kinds of space eaters. That's what has That's
Speaker 1: what Boo Philly has always had on us. Man, They've
Speaker 1: always had us. How dangerous. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about Hall of Famers because everybody wants to make
Speaker 1: a clear comparison. I just want everybody to think about
Speaker 1: the freedom that Ray Lewis had as a player. Why
Speaker 1: did he have that freedom because he had Tony Sarah
Speaker 1: goosea in front of him. When he didn't have Tony
Speaker 1: Sarah Goose in front of him, he made sure he
Speaker 1: had a Sam Adams in front of him. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: he didn't have a Sam Adams in front of him,
Speaker 1: he made sure he had. They got some young dude
Speaker 1: because they went without that for a minute and he
Speaker 1: started getting beat up for a little bit and he
Speaker 1: was like, screw this, I need a big boy in
Speaker 1: front of me. Oh okay, we'll draft Helodi Nada. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It works, it's it's it really is a formula that work.
Speaker 1: You think in the draft room, the Cowboys were just
Speaker 1: saw that pick and we're like, oh, Tyler, he doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, He's got to be the pick. Baltimore. Baltimore
Speaker 1: was the next pick, right, No, I'm talking about Dallas.
Speaker 1: Was like, all right, Smith, get in here. You gotta
Speaker 1: counter that with you know, Tyler Smith, whos three hundred
Speaker 1: plus pounds, yeah, six four three twenty five. And then
Speaker 1: you So you feel pretty good about Tyrn, feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about Terrence Steele size wise, you feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about Zack Martin and probably Tyler Smith at your left
Speaker 1: guard spot. I'm sorry, Tyler, I'm sorry you have one
Speaker 1: of these guys on each side of your eyeball. Each
Speaker 1: eyeball you have doesn't matter. Jordan Davis. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Davis, I'm the defensive coordinator. I say, line
Speaker 1: up right over Tylert. I'm talking about nose to nose.
Speaker 1: I want to know what he had for lunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to report back to me. That's how
Speaker 1: close I want you to him. It's salad. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna know because he's gonna be all up in
Speaker 1: his business. It's gonna be tough, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta you got a lot to deal with upfront.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what, like you said. That's why
Speaker 1: twenty four they said, you know, hey, turn this picking quickly,
Speaker 1: get it done, Get it done, three twenty five. We
Speaker 1: need all of that. Not to mention the AJ Brown.
Speaker 1: It's part of their draft class sort of talking. They
Speaker 1: got better, man, they got that. That's why I said,
Speaker 1: what did we do to in the sea for them
Speaker 1: to trade him? And then they almost tried to trade
Speaker 1: up and take the guy that we wanted at twenty
Speaker 1: four because they were on the phone. Philadelphia watched the
Speaker 1: Rams last year, pure and simple. They watched. They're tired
Speaker 1: of it, they're tired of the conversation that we've been having.
Speaker 1: Let's plan for the future, let's set our future. Screw
Speaker 1: the future, yeah, screw the future. The futures now. They
Speaker 1: didn't even really do that though they had in a
Speaker 1: sense draft capital and they've got two first round picks
Speaker 1: next year. Absolutely they did. But but they but in
Speaker 1: a sense they said screw the future because they said,
Speaker 1: we'll pay well, you guys don't want to pay him
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars a year. We'll do it. We'll
Speaker 1: do it. You know what happened. Yeah. Absolutely, They're gonna
Speaker 1: give Jalen Hurts every opportunity to succeed. And if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, we have ever said, you got more
Speaker 1: darts in the first round, maybe to go get a quarterback? Yeah, CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud on the way, you got Bryce Young on the way.
Speaker 1: You got guys at quarterback next year that will be
Speaker 1: much heftier. Don't be surprised if they make a move.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make another move. Yeah, they go They're gonna
Speaker 1: make another move. Yeah, because look at the look at
Speaker 1: the AMMO that you have. You have a ready made team.
Speaker 1: And how much longer is Flecchercock's gonna pay. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: probably done after this. They're probably gonna trade Nager shooting
Speaker 1: your shot. I guarantee you to Egan's point, they are
Speaker 1: gonna make another move that makes the freaking They're they're
Speaker 1: going for it. They're going forward. This was the start
Speaker 1: of it. It's because they see that the divisions in
Speaker 1: reach and the Cowboys are the hunted. Now they are
Speaker 1: the hunted. And we're gonna talk about the rest of
Speaker 1: that offseason. OTA's couple of months away, and then we've
Speaker 1: got rookie minicamp. Now we talk about the Manders. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Darius Mathis. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna call them.
Speaker 1: The man They went and got Johan Dotson as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, pretty good pick their first round. Gonna add
Speaker 1: some firepower to Terry McLaurin and that wide receiving corps.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean Sam Howe in the late rounds,
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson junior. They went almost all skilled to a
Speaker 1: certain extent. They added to that d line one Maths.
Speaker 1: That was the thing, that was the best big thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they love Alabama, guess they do. But really, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles all had decent drafts.
Speaker 1: I mean, Philadelphia and New York had great drafts. Let's
Speaker 1: just say it that way. So things get interesting in
Speaker 1: the NFC East, and we've got an entire offseason to
Speaker 1: break it down for you here on talking Cowboys. That's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us this week. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. For Chris being, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back,
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