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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young teen girl, Miranda just turn sixteen. We

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Speaker 2: now know from search warrant affidavits and returns, this little

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Speaker 2: girl actually dies gagging on a pool, bawl forced into

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Speaker 2: her mouth, her head wrapped mummy style with kitchen saran wrap.

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Speaker 2: And then after this child's body is dismembered, the purpse

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Speaker 2: leaving blood and human tissue up on.

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Speaker 1: The side of a house.

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Speaker 2: They didn't even take a water hose Forte's sake to

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Speaker 2: clean off this child's blood. These two go out to

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Speaker 2: celebrate with Popeyes and Putt Putt after dismembering her with

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Speaker 2: a chainsaw. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Records reveal gruesome new details about the sixteen year old

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Speaker 3: Florida teen's murder. Defendants allegedly ate Popeyes and played Midi

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Speaker 3: golf before incinerating Miranda Corset's body.

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Speaker 2: It all starts here when last week we obtained exclusive

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Speaker 2: video of the co defendants. Here he is Gress, we believe,

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Speaker 2: taking the teen girl's body out to his vehicle, just

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Speaker 2: sauntering along without a care in the world, not worried

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Speaker 2: if he would.

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Speaker 1: Be seen nothing. He tucks the body into his.

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Speaker 2: Vehicle, checks everything is just right, nothing hanging out, slams

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Speaker 2: the trunk with the child's body in the car, and

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Speaker 2: saunters back in.

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Speaker 1: Little did he know that he upstairs.

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Speaker 2: Residence this is a duplex, had her ring camera going

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Speaker 2: the entire time, and we got it. It's all caught

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Speaker 2: on video. This and more. He's not even worried this,

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Speaker 2: as we learn, he and builds the bub the minion

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Speaker 2: from Hell. Satan's assistant forced a pool ball into this

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Speaker 2: child's mouth, then wrapped her head mummy style and Sarahan

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Speaker 2: rap until she.

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Speaker 1: Died. In the last hours.

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Speaker 2: We obtain more video and we enhance it NASA style

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Speaker 2: to determine what exactly was being said at one juncture.

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Speaker 2: I want you to see the video that we have enhanced.

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Speaker 2: A neighbor comes from across the street and we hear

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Speaker 2: her say the words.

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Speaker 1: We hear Gress stating about the little girl. Quote this punch.

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Speaker 2: Stole my ring right here, the ate all the food

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Speaker 2: in the kitchen. He's talking about a little girl. The

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Speaker 2: neighbor says, the girl in the corner, h yeah, what

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Speaker 2: other girl, and the Gress says yeah.

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Speaker 1: He says she says that's her body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, neighbor says, damn, listen, what is.

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Speaker 1: With these people?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to leave that to a jury. Thank goodness,

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Speaker 2: I got a shrink. But the shrink is joining us

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Speaker 2: at about one minute. But first I want to go

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Speaker 2: to Dan Sullivan joining us, writer for Tampa Bay Times

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Speaker 2: at Tampa Bay dot com who obtained a lot of

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Speaker 2: this affidavit and search warrant material.

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Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan, did you just see the video? The neighbor just.

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Speaker 2: Saunters over and goes that's her body, and Gress says yeah,

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Speaker 2: And all she says.

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Speaker 1: Is damn, what is wrong with this woman?

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Speaker 4: I can answer that I know that what the police

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Speaker 4: put in the search warrant was that at least that

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Speaker 4: neighbor and at least a few other people were aware

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Speaker 4: that this girl was with him during this week. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's not clear.

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, guys renowned writer for the Tampa Bay Times,

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Speaker 2: states that his examination of court documents we have just

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Speaker 2: obtained they got it revealed that at least six people

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Speaker 2: knew the girl was in his words with Gress. Isn't

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Speaker 2: it true, Dan Sullivan that based on these court documents,

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Speaker 2: an affidavit a sworn affidavit of what the officer, the

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Speaker 1: She wasn't just with him for an outing in the park.

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Speaker 2: She was being beaten, lying naked in a corner, begging

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Speaker 1: All of these people knew it.

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Speaker 2: And in my mind, are complicit complicit with it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this neighbor sees her naked in the corner.

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Speaker 1: Dan Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it seems, based on what's in the affidavit, that

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Speaker 4: people didn't know what was going on. It's not clear

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Speaker 4: if every one of them knew the extent of what

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Speaker 4: a few people who received photographs that showed her in

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Speaker 4: worsening physical condition throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: And you mean she's getting beaten more and more and

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Speaker 2: more lying there naked in the fetal position in the corner.

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Speaker 2: I'd say that is worsening condition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, you know, according to what's in the

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Speaker 4: search warrant that they did receive photos of what was

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Speaker 4: it seems had reason to believe that there was something

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Speaker 4: you know, very wrong happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something called child abuse, child rape, and murder.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, it is murky.

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Speaker 2: And you know right now what I'm trying to figure out,

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, I'm trying to figure out the appropriate charges for.

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Speaker 1: These six ghules.

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Speaker 2: Because right now they're not charged. But believe you me, Dan,

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Speaker 2: there is a way. There is a way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: when you get sent pictures this technical legal phrase, a

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Speaker 2: hole sent pictures.

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Speaker 1: Of the little girl, a little girl.

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Speaker 2: Dan, did you know my twins just turned seventeen. My

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Speaker 2: daughter weighs about ninety pounds. She's nothing but lip gloss

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Speaker 2: and eyelashes. This girl's sixteen, sixteen, Dan, and beaten to

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Speaker 2: a pulp and these people send photos. The man gress

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Speaker 2: sends photos of the little girl to various people lying there,

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Speaker 2: beaten and naked into corner.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say, Dan, that the photos got worse.

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Speaker 2: The photos show her in increasingly worse physical condition, and

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Speaker 2: he kept photoing her and sending them from his phone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that is what the police wrote in

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Speaker 4: the search warrant, that you know the photos showed her

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Speaker 4: an increasingly worse physical condition. As far as whether you know,

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Speaker 4: anyone else might be charged.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Our local state attorney here, Bruce Bartlett, said that they

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Speaker 4: are that that's a possibility and that they're looking at that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know they might need any

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Speaker 4: of these people to testify as witnesses and what factor

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Speaker 4: that might play in.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're right, man, you're thinking ahead.

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Speaker 2: You're like five steps ahead of most people, maybe ten,

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Speaker 2: because these six people. You know, I'm not a batting

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Speaker 2: person because I've got children put through college. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to waste my money on the slot. But if

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Speaker 2: I were a betting person, I would bet that these

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Speaker 2: six people are either going to be states witnesses or

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Speaker 2: co defendants.

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Speaker 1: Mark my words. They can all be.

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Speaker 2: Thrown in the same pot to stew as far as

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned. Again, they're all presumed innocent, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: The affidavit reveals that the defendants quote searched the girl's

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Speaker 2: body cavities that means her vagina, her anus, her mouth

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Speaker 2: for a stolen ring that really hadn't been stolen at all.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true? They did this to this little girl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is one part of the affidavit that describes that,

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Speaker 4: and it does seem, based on what's in the affidavit,

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Speaker 4: that mister Gress apparently felt very strongly about this ring

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Speaker 4: and believed that Miranda had taken it, done something with it,

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Speaker 4: really wanted to find it. There was some information.

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Speaker 2: From really wanted to find it up her anus.

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Speaker 4: That's according to the affidavit. That is what you know,

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Speaker 4: he's let to have done. There was some information from

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Speaker 4: one of the other people involved that you know, they

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Speaker 4: believed that he you know, that Miranda had nothing to

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Speaker 4: co defendant, Missus Brandis.

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Speaker 1: Brandis ring all along.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Brandish that the ring was quote

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Speaker 2: found suddenly in Gress's car and Brandis insinuated intimated to

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Speaker 2: the third roommate that she had taken it so Griss

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Speaker 2: would get angry at the little girl and get rid

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was there was something to that effect in

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Speaker 4: the search war. And this was after the the girl

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Speaker 4: had you know, that they had disposed of her body.

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Speaker 2: You know what, We're spending a lot of time talking

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Speaker 2: about the ring, and frankly, Dan Sullivan, I don't give

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Speaker 2: a flying fig about the ring.

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Speaker 1: That was just a pretext to beat this child.

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Speaker 2: We're now learning from the affidavit that you obtained that

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Speaker 2: Gress has a history of targeting let me just say,

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Speaker 2: troubled women and girls. We know that Miranda had lost

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Speaker 2: both of her parents suddenly it's a little girl loft

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Speaker 2: boast of her parents at a young age and moved

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Speaker 2: had a Valentine date date.

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Speaker 1: That date.

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Speaker 2: Is with her alleged killer, Gress, who lured her online.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the ring, that was a pretext for abuse,

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Speaker 2: torture and murder her. Listen to what the neighbor who

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Speaker 1: Girl and does nothing.

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Speaker 2: We have managed to enhance the video from the upstair

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Speaker 2: residence ring cam, and.

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what she says.

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Speaker 2: Now remember her last words you heard were that's her body, damn.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Why you get out of figure out right?

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Speaker 1: The neighbor sees what's happening. The neighbor sees the little

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Speaker 2: Up in a corner crying, and you hear Gress say

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Speaker 2: she stole my ring and neighbor, how the hell are

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Speaker 1: Gress.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.

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Speaker 2: And the neighbor says, don't kill her. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to see the police up here. So she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: them to kill the little girl because she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: the police around. Wonder why I think I know the affidavit,

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Speaker 2: does it not? Dan Sullivan refer to the neighbor as

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Speaker 2: having sold pot to Gress in the past.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: There is a portion of the affidavit where I believe

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Speaker 4: that it says that I guess she came over to

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Speaker 2: We're not sure that this is the same neighbor, but

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Speaker 2: we do know that this neighbor that actually talks to

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Speaker 2: Miranda lying there dying, she does not want the police

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Speaker 2: quote up in here.

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Speaker 1: Then the neighbor says, where you got the ring, honey?

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Speaker 1: You could have just given it to him. It's not

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Speaker 1: over yet.

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Speaker 2: There is more from the neighbor, and we have been

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Speaker 2: able to enhance the video and the sound. Just the

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Speaker 2: nature of this neighbor. She sees the girl lying there naked,

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Speaker 2: dying and starts quizzing her about a ring.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I don't want to be an idea.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is renowned a psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker,

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Speaker 2: and you can see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, what is wrong with this woman? She just

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Speaker 1: says to Gress, Okay, don't kill nobody. You're Michelle. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see the police. Iye been here.

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Speaker 6: That's just so casual, Nancy, this is so painful to hear. Actually,

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Speaker 6: she says, is that the body? She doesn't say, is

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Speaker 6: that Miranda? Or is that the little girl or teenager?

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Speaker 6: Why isn't she in school already? She's dehumanized and dead

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Speaker 6: in the neighbor's mind. And in terms of this allegend crime,

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Speaker 6: what perpetrators do is they create something called institutional psychopathology

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Speaker 6: where they gravitate towards one person who has a corruption

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Speaker 1: What Bethany Gress. Bethany, Bethany too many words.

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Speaker 2: Boil it down, give me the concentrate, hit me.

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Speaker 1: Birds of a feather flock together. Joining us now is

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Speaker 2: It's Dave Horton, the landlord at the Gress home now

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Speaker 1: Mister Wharton, thank you for being with us. Oh, no problem,

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Speaker 2: On the outside, your place looks, you know, perfect well,

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Speaker 5: Oh, I couldn't believe it. You know, the place was

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Speaker 7: And money over there, and it was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Them because there was rabbit feces everywhere in her room,

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Speaker 7: It was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You know, you evicted the residence.

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Speaker 5: Why the eviction was due to non payment of rent.

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Speaker 5: You know what happened again?

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Speaker 2: You know, you know Dave Horton, he just says something

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Speaker 5: Yes he could, and I think he did that with

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Speaker 2: When you went in the home to clean it out

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Speaker 5: No, there was no evidence whatsoever there really, you know,

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Speaker 5: the place was just a complete just like a bomb

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Speaker 1: You know, we say it looks like a bomb went off.

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Speaker 2: Are you referring to the fingerprint dust, the fingerprint powder

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Speaker 5: They went in there on the Friday after. I just

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Speaker 5: I almost gave up on the place because the police

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Speaker 5: And Gypsy says, well, they came out and they didn't

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Speaker 5: go inside. Well, obviously she heard something in there. That's

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Speaker 2: You know, I understand that the mother came by and

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Speaker 5: Yeah now, And I ended up ringing to him. Was

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Speaker 5: through a friend of mine, and he had called me

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Speaker 5: he had called me and he says, Dave, is the

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Speaker 5: it was at the animal control And I says, no, no,

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Speaker 5: it's still there at the house, and she goes through.

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Speaker 5: It was a three thousand dollars parrot. I'm thinking I've

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Speaker 5: got about five six thousand dollars in damages. We got

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Speaker 5: a dead sixteen year old girl, and all you're worried

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Speaker 1: Out, brother preach it. She's all upset about the bird

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Speaker 5: I know, a.

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Speaker 2: Day and a heap in the corner, naked bruised.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that, according to.

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Speaker 2: Witnesses, your resident, your tenant, would take pictures of the

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Speaker 1: And as he continued to.

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Speaker 2: Send them to people, mister Horton, every time there would

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Speaker 2: be more bruises, and she would look worse and worse

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Speaker 5: I can't believe this man, I can't believe. And I

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Speaker 5: heard he sent pictures to the mother too. No. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: everything else. She didn't even know about it, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, she got the pictures of the

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Speaker 5: That's what I was told, was on the news yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, somebody lied to you, man, they did. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's getting pictures of the little girl. Miranda just turned sixteen.

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Speaker 2: We're showing pictures of her as a little girl right now,

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Speaker 2: curled up in a ball in the fetal position.

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Speaker 8: Of the corner.

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Speaker 1: Picture after picture after picture, and every time there'll be

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Speaker 2: And more beatings on the girl, and so she cannot

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Speaker 2: with a straight face state, Hey, I didn't know anything.

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Speaker 1: Where's my parent?

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Speaker 5: Wow? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I.

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Speaker 2: Bet a jury's gonna believe it and remind her everyone

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Speaker 2: all of this bunch of people innocent in the eyes

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Speaker 2: of Lady Justice until proven guilty in the court of law.

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Speaker 1: Dave Horton, I bet you've got.

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Speaker 2: Some stories to tell, crime stories with Nancy Great joining us.

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Speaker 2: Dave Horton a landlord at defendant's home he shared with

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Speaker 2: two other women who, by their own words, were there

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Speaker 2: and watched one of them allegedly participating in the brutal,

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Speaker 2: brutal torture of a little girl ultimately murdered. Mister Horton,

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Speaker 2: you better get that place in spick and span perfect condition,

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Speaker 2: because I predict a.

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Speaker 1: Jury is going to want to see the same. Thank you, sir, okay.

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Speaker 3: Details emerge on sixteen year old Miranda Course has death.

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Speaker 3: Documents reveal accused murderers eight popeyes and play mini golf

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Speaker 3: after torturing and holding Miranda captive for a week.

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Speaker 1: Popeyes, put putt, and a chainsaw. You know when I graduated, Laura,

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Speaker 1: you from law school. I never thought that I.

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Speaker 2: Put those three ideas in one sentence, much less a.

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Speaker 1: Pool ball.

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Speaker 2: To Sonoda joining me, child of sex Abes, grooming expert,

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Speaker 1: The backdrop of.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about right now is that the grandma

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Speaker 2: was so happy that Miranda was going to have a

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Speaker 2: Valentine's date right.

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Speaker 1: With gris.

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Speaker 2: A devil from hell.

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Speaker 1: What's your message?

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Speaker 9: I want every parent listening to know that children are

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Speaker 9: actually following our lead. They're using dating apps. The average

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Speaker 9: in that age group are on dating apps. We're talking Tenderokcupid, Match,

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Speaker 1: And we need.

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Speaker 9: Better more robust age verifications. Just like miners are misrepresenting ourselves,

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Speaker 9: so are adults.

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Speaker 2: You really think a minor a child is what do

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Speaker 2: you mean by more.

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Speaker 1: Robust age of verifications?

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Speaker 2: If they want to get on tender or Grinder, they're

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Speaker 2: going to do you really think a child that wants

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Speaker 2: better not lie beyter, not check that box. Of course,

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Speaker 2: they're going to check the box that they're twenty one

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Nancy. What we've done is we've modeled

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Speaker 9: ones who are winning. They have a direct path to

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Speaker 9: access miners. Children who are vulnerable, children who want affection,

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Speaker 9: want attention, are seeking love. This poor young child.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, you know, I agree with everything you're saying, Anna, Sonoda,

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Speaker 2: except I don't know that there's so much seeking love

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Speaker 2: as an adult would describe it. But I think they're

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Speaker 2: look at Miranda. She was fifteen at the get go,

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Speaker 2: this little girl right there with her little critter. Both

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Speaker 2: parents die suddenly, she's now living with Grandma. She wants

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Speaker 2: she got, Anna, She got one of these crammed into

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Speaker 2: I'm about to get to. So I don't know if

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Speaker 2: more robust age verifications are going to help anything. I

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Speaker 1: But this grandma, I mean, what did she know? She

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Speaker 1: I want to go quickly to Dan Sullivan.

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Speaker 2: Dan, we're learning so much from the documents. As a

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Speaker 8: Court documents show that at least six people knew Stephen

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Speaker 8: Gress and Michelle Brandis were holding sixteen year old Miranda

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Speaker 8: his mother. Gres's mom denies viewing the photos, but amidst.

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Speaker 1: The police that her son tried to.

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Speaker 8: Tell her about Miranda, she shut down the conversation, telling

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Speaker 8: two neighbors also saw Miranda in distress at the home,

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Speaker 8: and finally, a woman living with Gress and Brandas stood

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Speaker 8: witness to a week of torture, Miranda's murder, and the

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Speaker 8: cleanup isn't it.

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Speaker 2: True based on the documents that you obtained Tampa Bay

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Speaker 2: Times that after the child was murdered transported in the trunk,

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Speaker 1: They go where Dan Sullivan.

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Speaker 4: Well, according to what's in the search Warren Fi David,

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Speaker 4: they went Putt Putt golfing and to Pope Is to

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Speaker 4: eat fried chicken. The affidavit states that I guess they

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Speaker 4: went there because it was Brandis's birthday that day.

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Speaker 2: But then whoa, whoa, whoa whoa wait wait repeat they said.

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Speaker 4: The affidavit states that it was Brandis's birthday, so they

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Speaker 4: went to eat fried chicken at Papa's and Putt putt golfing.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Paul Duffy, senior consultant with

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Speaker 2: Group nine Security Consulting and Training, former Deputy inspector.

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Speaker 1: With the US Marshall Service.

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Speaker 2: You can find him a Group nine dot US. Paul,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. A quick question regarding

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Speaker 2: the evidence in his case. The photos are going to

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Speaker 2: be damning. They're going to have to be obtained off

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Speaker 2: of cell phones or from the cloud. But Dan Sullivan

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Speaker 2: has just described these ghules from Hell.

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Speaker 1: Taking the little girl.

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Speaker 2: And Dan, did they go out for Popeyes and put

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Speaker 2: Putt before or after the dismemberment of this child?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the way the after David has written it sounds

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Speaker 4: like it was after they had dismembered the girl's remains

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Speaker 4: that they went golfing and to.

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Speaker 2: Popeyes, Okay, Paul Duffy Popeyes, and I believe it was

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Speaker 2: Congo River, Correct.

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Speaker 1: Me if I'm wrong, anybody on the panel.

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Speaker 2: Congo River, put Putt, pop Peyes and put Putt is

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Speaker 2: going to be a treasure trove of evidence because it's

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Speaker 2: my belief that they go they dismember the body in

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Speaker 2: Brandis's mother's house, and the mother.

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Speaker 1: And the granny nanny are in there and.

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Speaker 2: They can hear a chainsaw outside. What do they think

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Speaker 2: is happening?

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Speaker 1: Human tissue and blood is.

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Speaker 2: Found on the side of Michelle Brandis's codefendant mother's house.

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Speaker 2: They didn't even take a garden hose to like clean

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Speaker 2: off the site. They just left the little girl's blood

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Speaker 2: on the side of the house. But after they dismember her,

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Speaker 2: and correct me again if I'm wrong, Dan Sullivon, they

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Speaker 2: put her dismembered remains back in the car, and to

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Speaker 2: celebrate Brandis's birthday, he wanted to make her feel special.

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Speaker 1: They go to putt putt and pop pies. Now, Paul,

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Speaker 1: this is what I would like to show a jury.

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Speaker 2: I would like to show video surveillance of these devils

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Speaker 2: from hell playing put putt?

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Speaker 1: How many rounds did they play? Did they keep score.

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Speaker 2: Or they're like whow I got a hole in one?

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Speaker 2: And then I'd like to find out from the drive

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Speaker 2: through or did they eat inside. I'd like to see

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Speaker 2: the video of them eating a fried chicken while this

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Speaker 2: girl chopped up is in the car. What do they

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Speaker 2: talk about at lunch? Did they talk about where we're

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Speaker 2: going to dump the body? I just I want to

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Speaker 2: see the video.

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Speaker 1: What about it? Paul Duffy, That.

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Speaker 10: Video would be compelling in court, Nancy. It would paint

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Speaker 10: a picture that they were remorseless and depraved and add

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Speaker 10: to the indications that this is perhaps not Steve's first.

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Speaker 2: Rodeo speaking the evidence, speaking of that video, I pray

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Speaker 2: to heaven, Paul Duffy, and I learned this the hard

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Speaker 2: way in the Chandra Levy case where Chandra Levy, you

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Speaker 2: remember the DC intern that was murdered.

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Speaker 1: The high rise where she lived.

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Speaker 2: In DC would restart and tape over surveillance video like

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Speaker 2: every seventy two hours. And I could have learned a

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Speaker 2: lot if I had known when she left her apartment

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Speaker 2: for the last time.

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Speaker 1: Was she dressed up to go out?

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Speaker 2: Was she she was going jogging? Was she with anybody?

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Speaker 2: Could I see her go out and get in a cab?

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Speaker 2: And I can find that cab and I can find

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Speaker 2: where she went from that cab driver.

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Speaker 1: You know, every cab is identified with a number.

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Speaker 2: But no, they reacted it every seventy two hours, so

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Speaker 2: all that evidence was lost. I pray to Heaven that

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Speaker 2: Popeye's and Congo River put put doesn't do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Is there any chance they would store that in the

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Speaker 2: cloud even if they you know, tape over.

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Speaker 10: All, security systems aren't equal, Nancy. It all depends on

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Speaker 10: what the business invested in their security system.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Paul Duffy.

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Speaker 2: You and I can explore the ins and outs the

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Speaker 2: intricacies of saving digital data on the cell phones, the

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Speaker 2: nav system in the car. And I think there was

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Speaker 2: one toll roads. Florida is full of toll roads. Where

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Speaker 2: I'll get video of them just driving happily along, going

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Speaker 2: on their merry way with the child's dead body in

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Speaker 2: the trunk.

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Speaker 1: I want it all.

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Speaker 2: I want licensed grabbers showing their route to Brandi's mother's house.

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Speaker 2: I want to find out if there's video surveillance video

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Speaker 2: at the mother's house. Is their stop like cam? Is

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Speaker 2: there anything that I could show this jury to corroborate testimony.

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Speaker 2: I want all that digital data.

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Speaker 1: Every bit of it.

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Speaker 2: But what is very powerful is the ring camera from

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Speaker 2: the upstairs residence home.

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Speaker 1: And I would have this neighbor on.

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Speaker 2: The hot seat explaining to her what accessory after the

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Speaker 2: fact means.

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Speaker 1: And this is why listen.

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Speaker 8: The neighbor says Miranda stayed at the home for several

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Speaker 8: days with no issues until Gres woke up to find

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Speaker 8: he's missing a ring given to him by a friend.

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Speaker 8: She says, Gress accused Miranda of stealing it and flew

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Speaker 8: into a rage when she only trembled in fear at

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Speaker 8: his accusation. After two days of brutal beatings, Branda sneakily

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Speaker 8: shows her roommate that she has the ring it from Gres.

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Speaker 8: The woman believes Branda's took the ring to provoke Gres

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Speaker 8: into hurting Miranda.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the female roommate turned murder code defendant Brandis

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Speaker 2: Michelle Brandis had the ring all along. Okay to Dan Sullivan,

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Speaker 2: isn't it true, Dan joining us from Tampa Bay Times,

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Speaker 2: who's cracked this case wide open? Isn't it true that

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Speaker 2: Gres says it was Brandis after he shoved the pool

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Speaker 2: ball in the little girl's mouth as she's tied up naked.

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Speaker 2: I guess on a chair that Brandis wrapped her head

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Speaker 2: as saran wrap, and he said.

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Speaker 1: Don't come, hey, don't cover her nose.

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Speaker 2: But she did cover her nose, and that Gres says

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Speaker 2: he rushed over and punch holes in it so.

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Speaker 1: She could breathe, but she was already dead. Isn't that

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Speaker 1: in the affidavit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I believe. According to the other witness, she said that

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Speaker 4: Brandis actually put the poolball in Miranda's mouth.

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Speaker 8: And then.

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Speaker 4: Was wrapping her head in saran wrap, and there was

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Speaker 4: some discussion about you know, uh, Gress saying that he

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Speaker 4: wanted to put holes or not to cover her nose,

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Speaker 4: and wanted to put holes in the in the wrap

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Speaker 4: so she could breathe, but couldn't get to her quick enough.

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Speaker 4: You know it's there. There was there was something.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand something. Angel Lewis joining me, veteran

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer, a partner at Sirce Law firm, Palm Beach,

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Speaker 2: former felony prosecutor, Andrea, You're not a prosecutor anymore. You're

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Speaker 2: on the other side. So let me understand. Is gress

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Speaker 2: gonna somehow? They're all doing this. They're all pointing the

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Speaker 2: finger at each other, and we've got more video to

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Speaker 2: show you of that. But Angela Lewis, I see Grass

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Speaker 2: swooping in with a she done it? And I tried

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, I tried to punch holes in the

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Speaker 2: saran wrap.

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Speaker 1: Why did you let seran rap get wrapped around her

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Speaker 1: head to start with?

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Speaker 2: So? What is he going to try to blame Brandis?

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Speaker 2: And Brandis is going to blame him in the roommate's like,

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Speaker 2: I had nothing to do.

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Speaker 1: With this, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: I am sure that that's what they're going to try

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Speaker 11: to do. But here's the problem with that. Right, we

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Speaker 11: have this man that went online and actually found this child,

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Speaker 11: enticed her into coming over to his home for we

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Speaker 11: know what he had nefarious motives. We know that they

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Speaker 11: were sexually motivated. He's the one who brought her over there.

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Speaker 11: This is his house of horrors that we know that

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Speaker 11: there were crimes being committed inside there. This man is

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Speaker 11: evil at his core, and it's going to be very difficult,

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Speaker 11: if not impossible, for him to direct all of the

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Speaker 11: guilt here onto his co defendant. Now, he is not

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Speaker 11: going to be able to escape unfazed here in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: So, Andrea, what would the defense be, Well, the.

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Speaker 11: Defense in this case has got to be it wasn't me,

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Speaker 11: it was my co defendant, it was somebody else. And

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Speaker 11: I think what they're going to try to do here

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Speaker 11: is that when we know that the death penalty is

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Speaker 11: going to be on the table, as it should be.

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Speaker 11: So I think, what, given all of the evidence in

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Speaker 11: this case and the video, it's going to be overwhelming.

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Speaker 11: Their best vet is going to try to be just

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Speaker 11: to flee this case out to something less.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Well, if the DP is on the table,

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Speaker 2: I don't see a plea happening. And in addition, I

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Speaker 2: imagine either the first or the last witness. If I

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Speaker 2: was trying the case, it would probably be the first witness,

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Speaker 2: although that would be going out of chronological order which a.

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Speaker 1: Jury really likes. Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: I think the jury needs to know at the get

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Speaker 2: go the COD cause of death of this little girl.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns is a renowned medical examiner joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Terrent County, that's Fort Worth, Texas. He is

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Speaker 2: launching a new podcast in a week April at fourteen

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Speaker 2: Mayhem and the Morary is an esteemed lecturer at Burnett'

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Speaker 2: School of Medicine at TCU.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what would.

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Speaker 2: Be after all of this? What would be the cood?

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Speaker 2: Could it be the beatings? Is their internal bleeding and

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Speaker 2: she bled out on the inside. Did she die of

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Speaker 2: asphyxiation when.

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Speaker 1: The poolball gag in her mouth?

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Speaker 2: Or was it the saran wrapped taken right out of

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Speaker 2: the kitchen drawer and wrapped around this child's head? Well,

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Speaker 2: how do I determine with all of that happening to

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Speaker 2: this little girl, Miranda, what is the COD plus she

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Speaker 2: was dismembered. We don't have a body, but in your expertise, doctor.

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Speaker 1: Crown what would be the CD.

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Speaker 12: Based on all the information we have that she's beaten,

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Speaker 12: she's gagged, saran wrap put around her face. To me,

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Speaker 12: it would be more likely than not a suffocation with

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Speaker 12: the gag being put in her mouth, when the saran

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Speaker 12: wrap covering her head, she wouldn't be able to get

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Speaker 12: oxygen in and she would basically suffocate from lack of oxygen.

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Speaker 12: That was the beatings bad enough. You have a progression

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Speaker 12: of the beatings seen in the pictures of her having

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Speaker 12: multiple bruises over time, So I don't think the beatings

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Speaker 12: were actually bad enough to have killed her. I think

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Speaker 12: that was more of a torture method, and their final

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Speaker 12: thing that killed her was actually shoving the pool ball

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Speaker 12: in her mouth and putting seran wrap over her head.

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Speaker 12: So I feel cause of death would be asphyxiation or

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Speaker 12: suffocation manner of death homicide.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sullivan, it's a no body case. We don't have

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Speaker 1: a body.

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Speaker 2: The body's very likely been incinerated, so that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: But I don't believe the definite shaded gold star or

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Speaker 2: an A plus because they managed to get rid of

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Speaker 2: the body. What do you foresee happening? Do you believe

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Speaker 2: the six ghules that knew this child was being tortured

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Speaker 2: and killed and sat by and they actually heard the

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Speaker 2: chainsaw outside as his child was being dismembered and.

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Speaker 1: Nobody did a thing. Nothing.

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Speaker 2: Do you expect charges of accessory after the fact.

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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to answer that, not being a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: I think there is a possibility, and our local state

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Speaker 4: attorney has said that, you know, they're looking at, you know,

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Speaker 4: whether anybody else could face charges. But again, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's also possible that they will need these people as witnesses,

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Speaker 4: so that could influence, you know, any decision about other charges.

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Speaker 4: It's also unclear, you know, at least with the upstairs neighbor,

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Speaker 4: the one who had the surveillance video, if she.

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Speaker 8: Was aware of what was going on.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like she was, but it definitely seems

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Speaker 4: like there were other people who were aware that Miranda

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Speaker 4: was in.

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Speaker 2: Trouble, right, I agree the upstairs neighbor was very, very

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Speaker 2: cooperative and very distraught when we spoke to her and

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Speaker 2: she gave us all of that video. We wait as

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Speaker 2: justice unfolds, and now we remember an American hero, Special

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Speaker 2: Agent Derek Bear, USPS Office Inspectory General, killed in the

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Speaker 2: line of duty.

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Speaker 1: A US Coast Guard vet.

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Speaker 2: Served Ellie law enforcement fifteen years, leaving behind a wife

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Speaker 2: turned widow Lenica, children Alexander, Evelina and Vivian American hero

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Speaker 2: special agent Derek Bear. Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye friend,