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Speaker 2: We're now joined by three times sixth Man of the Year.
Speaker 2: On April ninth, twenty nineteen, he became the oldest player
Speaker 2: in NBA history to score fifty points in the game.
Speaker 2: And he's also the first and only player thus far
Speaker 2: to score or at least fifty points for four different franchises.
Speaker 2: And he's the newest analyst. He's gonna be calling game
Speaker 2: for NBC next season, the one, the only. Jamal Crawford, Jamal,
Speaker 2: how you doing, bro?
Speaker 3: I'm going okay. We got to.
Speaker 2: Ker all right. The trade at half of last night.
Speaker 2: Luca a superstar, beyond superstar, a global superstar in his
Speaker 2: absolute He's not even here his prime yet, Jamal. He's
Speaker 2: twenty five years of age, He's a five time first
Speaker 2: team All NBA player.
Speaker 3: And they trade him for Anthony Davis and a first round.
Speaker 2: Pick and I think twenty twenty nine and uh Max
Speaker 2: Christi And in return, the Lakers get Luca, they get
Speaker 2: Max Kleeber, and they get Mark Keith Marris, who was
Speaker 2: already he was on the twenty twenty Laker team that
Speaker 2: won the championship. So Lakers received Luca Maxi, kleeber markif Marris,
Speaker 2: the MAVs get Anthony David, Max Christi and a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty nine first round pick. Also, the Jazz received Jalen Hoods,
Speaker 2: a Scarafino, a twenty twenty five second round pick, a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five second round pick Bill the Clippers.
Speaker 3: Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was
Speaker 3: bull jive.
Speaker 2: I thought somebody had got hacked, because ain't no way
Speaker 2: the mass of trade Luca, but Lloyd and behold, it
Speaker 2: is absolutely true. Luka Doncic is on the move. Anthony
Speaker 2: Davis going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of
Speaker 2: the trade. Why do you think this trade happened.
Speaker 3: I'm a chill. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 3: was being guy the first two.
Speaker 5: I ain't no way Luke's being traded, like you said,
Speaker 5: all the exact the way he ain't.
Speaker 3: Lucy's sign that.
Speaker 5: And if I'm a young NBA star, I'm not comfortable
Speaker 5: anywhere if Lucas can be traded at this stage of
Speaker 5: clear where he's act where he was going.
Speaker 3: Anybody be traded back.
Speaker 5: I said last year on Shock's podcast, I said, if
Speaker 5: I'm later, I'm looking at trade. At the day at
Speaker 5: people thought I was trading. I said, Lebron is still
Speaker 5: your best player right now. You got to have better
Speaker 5: pieces accountingent. Yes on in the bubble, Yes, the Lebron
Speaker 5: is still ain't looking why he's Lebron. So with that
Speaker 5: being said, I gotta get piecing. I didn't know Luca's
Speaker 5: on the play when they had who knew, but they
Speaker 5: come to La I gotta take that beer. I have
Speaker 5: to because now look for the now in the future,
Speaker 5: as Lebron says, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear it down.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna hang it up whenever the idea is
Speaker 5: one two three for me, you have a bonfire superstar.
Speaker 5: But now we're just trying who other people want to
Speaker 5: play that. Lucas backs off, so we know he's gonna
Speaker 5: bring the Halloween lights to go and fix Hollyween and
Speaker 5: Danger Book on the other side of Dallas. It's a
Speaker 5: perfect compliment to Kyrie. They obviously they don't make you
Speaker 5: more move They didn't trust the fact that they're gonna
Speaker 5: have to be in Lupa almost four hundred million.
Speaker 3: Dollars wherever it's going up to college.
Speaker 5: See it's really loud right now because now we're looking like,
Speaker 5: you know what happy trade to do like this?
Speaker 3: They had to get stuff thing we don't know about, you.
Speaker 1: Know what you know? I also, I mean, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking of the head a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a head little bit. Obviously it had
Speaker 1: to be something internally for them to trade such a
Speaker 1: great prayer like that, like like both you just said,
Speaker 1: it's not even in his prime. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to obviously the future because Kyrie can opt out in
Speaker 1: the summer, and what are the chances Kyrie actually joining
Speaker 1: Lebron again. I'm assuming Lebron comes back next year as well,
Speaker 1: and you have Luca, Kyrie and Lebron.
Speaker 5: So for me, I think I always see back to
Speaker 5: the been An election, but Kai Doll would have some
Speaker 5: type of point like you know what after it isn't
Speaker 5: been loonal Like I'm saying, my contracts up next year.
Speaker 3: They chose to stick with me.
Speaker 5: And if you look at how Jason Pierre sticks about card,
Speaker 5: he's always sneaking glow only because everything you want, you're
Speaker 5: playing with ad that'd be a KI another win. Tis
Speaker 5: back to being point guard. He's still in his pard
Speaker 5: who's still doing numbers. He still makes it look easy.
Speaker 5: You got a d you got a bunch of money,
Speaker 5: possibly with the other moves to be made. If I'm
Speaker 5: crime like, you know what, they stuck with me. And
Speaker 5: also they didn't didn't wht Nobody else want to be
Speaker 5: getting multiple years done the contract?
Speaker 2: Well, so you don't we get that type of Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, and I've said this. Everybody knows
Speaker 2: this is not right now. I called I gave Luca
Speaker 2: the name baby Bird because I thought he was that special.
Speaker 2: He was the closest white player I had ever seen
Speaker 2: the lad Bird. Everybody knew lad Bird was my favorite,
Speaker 2: but I always questioned. I said, he looked like he's
Speaker 2: out of shape. I said, he looks like he's unconditioned.
Speaker 2: He looked like he doesn't take his training and his
Speaker 2: condition seriously, his training seriously, and he has some habits
Speaker 2: that you know, if you look at Rick Carlyle, you
Speaker 2: got Luca. Guys don't normally say nah, I'm good and
Speaker 2: leave a superstar player that's only twenty two years of age, Jamal.
Speaker 2: So there was something that was some things that was
Speaker 2: going on that wasn't being talked about. But if you
Speaker 2: know the game and you see, you like something ain't
Speaker 2: adding up. And then plus Luca is scheduled. He was
Speaker 2: the first player that was going to be able to
Speaker 2: get the Supermax five years, three hundred and forty five million,
Speaker 2: so basically sixty nine million dollars a year, Jamal. If
Speaker 2: a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take his training serious, he
Speaker 2: doesn't take conditioning serious. And there's some other things going around.
Speaker 2: If I give him fifty nine million, Jamal, and he
Speaker 2: might have some power that we need to rustle away
Speaker 2: from him. And if you hear listen to me Ko Faiz,
Speaker 2: he says something about culture. When I hear that, Jamal,
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but my ears perke up.
Speaker 5: The coature means the something beyond the scenes that he's
Speaker 5: not happy with. And like we all know that the
Speaker 5: one question in all the sports and in life period
Speaker 5: you're an entertaining are gathering in father and Linca is
Speaker 5: gathering his problem. So that's why I'm shocking has happened.
Speaker 5: Even with all that going on on, he's swooning too.
Speaker 5: He can't let on the mature and you can learn
Speaker 5: and see.
Speaker 3: Probably where the professionals are jab that want the best
Speaker 3: point guards ever. So that's the shocking general and Fallow
Speaker 3: is that he starts only eight twenty nine and knock
Speaker 3: you know, neither spine or whatever.
Speaker 5: He's stilling, not even in the spine and so all
Speaker 5: the and that's why I look at second shop guys
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: They don't be training, and you're gonna be when this stuff.
Speaker 3: Until he figures out, we just back because he's exactly good.
Speaker 3: In fact, he's twenty two all the bit to a
Speaker 3: fernalms hesp.
Speaker 5: He's obviously figure he's twenty five, Jamal, who's fall Sorry
Speaker 5: the fact he's twenty five up killing some twenty five
Speaker 5: underless he's still yes, love to look for that too.
Speaker 3: So that's three, you know what.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Jamal and I tell o this
Speaker 2: all the time, and we talk about it bill tolerance
Speaker 2: until they can replace you once they got a deal
Speaker 2: that says, you know what, we can win right now?
Speaker 2: I like Kyrie and a D in the Pick and Roll,
Speaker 2: ad has never really had a guy this this dynamic
Speaker 2: in the pick and roll Rondo and you remember when
Speaker 2: he had Rondo in New Orleans. The numbers that Ad
Speaker 2: put up. Ky is a very similar part guard point
Speaker 2: guard in the pick and roll. But for them to
Speaker 2: trail a twenty five year old that's five times First
Speaker 2: Team All NBA, it tells me everything I need to know.
Speaker 3: I don't need to hear nothing else. They can say this,
Speaker 3: so they can say that.
Speaker 2: But you know it had to be bad, Jamar, because
Speaker 2: everything that you said is absolutely true because you say,
Speaker 2: you know what, his production is better than his problems,
Speaker 2: but they say, no, hell, it ain't his problems super
Speaker 2: seed his production.
Speaker 3: I have a question. You know, both of you could
Speaker 3: probably answer it better than I can.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't really understand how for the intricacy on
Speaker 1: why he's not egible for the five year through forty
Speaker 1: five Supermax now just he got traded so simply because
Speaker 1: he got traded. It's in the contract letting you know,
Speaker 1: once you get traded somewhere else, you're no longer elgible
Speaker 1: for that regardless.
Speaker 2: You'll only get a four year deal. Because he was
Speaker 2: he was almost like a bird, almost a bird situation.
Speaker 2: That was the team that drafted him. He had been
Speaker 2: this many times, the first team All the NBA player,
Speaker 2: So therefore a lad Jason Tatum, a JB. So guys
Speaker 2: that have been there for particularly what if it like
Speaker 2: like five six years are Jamal then and then you're
Speaker 2: first team All MB You have to be a first
Speaker 2: team you have to be one of the All NBA
Speaker 2: selections into Yes, so he's done that. So he was
Speaker 2: eligible five years, three forty five. So think about that,
Speaker 2: he would have been eligible to get another contract that
Speaker 2: was probably gonna be north of four hundred million at
Speaker 2: the age of thirty.
Speaker 3: Oh that I think you answered right there. I think
Speaker 3: that was Aha, mom, I think that's gonna be it.
Speaker 5: I think they were more skill if they gave them
Speaker 5: that money and they couldn't do back to the water
Speaker 5: at that point, he buys the organization totally versus right now,
Speaker 5: like you know what, let's pay losses. We see when
Speaker 5: this is boring, and I think that might be part
Speaker 5: of them. And they've because here's the thing, Jamal.
Speaker 2: They believe that a lot of these injuries, the Nick
Speaker 2: Knack injury is because of his condition. It's because of
Speaker 2: his training is because of his diet. It's because of
Speaker 2: a lot of things behind the scenes. We say this
Speaker 2: with Joel Embiid, we say this with Zaion Williamson. Not
Speaker 2: to say injuries don't happen, but I believe the Mavericks
Speaker 2: believed a lot of these injuries are self induced.
Speaker 3: You're not taking care of your body.
Speaker 2: It's being reported at one pointy way two seventy two
Speaker 2: sixty five, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: But Jamal, you know this.
Speaker 2: You played this game. Damn near two that you played
Speaker 2: it two decades. When somebody moves a player like this,
Speaker 2: we've never seen it that have been like they moving
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson in his prime, them moving Larry Bird, Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan end their prime. Don't get moved unless the behavior
Speaker 2: is so egregious they say, we just can't control it.
Speaker 1: Your eyes and your ears are still even if you're
Speaker 1: not playing, your eyes and ears are still with the NBA.
Speaker 3: Do you know, have you heard anything what the issue
Speaker 3: might be where this whe where it came to a
Speaker 3: head where they just had to get rid of him.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's just let's just taking set back and
Speaker 5: think about what they want to fill. Right, Lucas having
Speaker 5: celebrations being Mike cooner gar I got so quick, so
Speaker 5: you can't speculate that they had him stepped behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: That was just like, you know what, he's not changing
Speaker 3: what we want to be and if.
Speaker 5: We've been in this contract and maybe worse at it
Speaker 5: got so sometimes the best way to see a function
Speaker 5: is not look you look, they're gonna be on their
Speaker 5: best behavior. So some times you guys say, let me
Speaker 5: see how you move with that. Let me see if
Speaker 5: you got a check now at least for anybody, right,
Speaker 5: let me see if they are be delegitiate with the
Speaker 5: professional mom when you're watching that, this is makes you
Speaker 5: watching the talent man bet going back to hanging shapen
Speaker 5: so fast he stayed back and figured over there Nico
Speaker 5: Harrison was Kobe's back with Nick. Rob Lincoln was told David,
Speaker 5: so you know they had a friendship in relationship and
Speaker 5: all tackle of politications they have.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, we can net so that
Speaker 2: and not get out and get it. But here's the thing,
Speaker 2: this is what we know. Young athletes that hurt become
Speaker 2: old athletes to get hurt, and the worst thing you
Speaker 2: can have is an old guy that's got you own
Speaker 2: two hundred million, you own three hundred million, because I
Speaker 2: just read a thing the other day when they said
Speaker 2: Joan and Beid he's made one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: million for the games that he's missed.
Speaker 3: You want that on Luca, You want that.
Speaker 2: You want Lucas Falery three hundred and forty five million,
Speaker 2: and Harry is And they believe that those injuries, a
Speaker 2: lot of those have been exacerbated by his condition. You
Speaker 2: remember he was nursing the knee in your last and
Speaker 2: in the game, and the championship game excuse me, and
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals and leading up to the finals, We're like, well,
Speaker 2: how long can he go on?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 2: Look, so now you hear culture, you hear you see
Speaker 2: a guy that has no interest in playing any level
Speaker 2: of defense.
Speaker 7: Not at all.
Speaker 1: Uh, I got some guy to give away. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna have flaws when you think about NBA players, hell,
Speaker 1: even NFL players. Everybody has their strengths. His strengths and
Speaker 1: his identity is on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: So you know what you don't get from the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the end.
Speaker 3: But he's so great at what he does offensive Hell,
Speaker 3: you you got, you got, you got to take that.
Speaker 3: So how did you like? This can lead you also
Speaker 3: like a supposed to anybody probably like now I just don't.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Lebron is at the age he
Speaker 2: can't play consistent defense. Luca doesn't play any defense. You
Speaker 2: traded your two blast defenders, your wing defenders. Max Christy
Speaker 2: on ball and ad your help defendant on ball can
Speaker 2: defend one through five, is tremendous in the pick a roll,
Speaker 2: he's great. A weak side helped. Look, you got guys
Speaker 2: that can score, but who can they stop? I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I understand, I understand. This is what the Lakers and
Speaker 2: I and I've studied the Lakers, and I know the Lakers.
Speaker 2: This is what the Lakers do. They got willed because
Speaker 2: they love superstars, and the later you gotta have them.
Speaker 2: Cannot get over. You cannot survive as the Lakers without superstars.
Speaker 2: So they go get they go get Willed, and then
Speaker 2: they follow that over Kareem and they go get Shot,
Speaker 2: and they go get Lebron, and now they go get
Speaker 2: and they go get Luca. You gotta have that if
Speaker 2: you go to be l a if you go to
Speaker 2: be the Lakers, you look at the Dodgers. That's what
Speaker 2: they do. You see show hate, you see Mookie, That's
Speaker 2: what they do in order for you to survive out here.
Speaker 3: That's why they went and traded for Matthew Stafford. Don't Joe,
Speaker 3: you gotta have a star.
Speaker 2: You gotta have stars, Aaron Donald, you gotta have stars
Speaker 2: to survive out here if you want to win, because
Speaker 2: there's too much going on in La. We got beaches,
Speaker 2: we got samon, we got root tops. You got so
Speaker 2: much going on and if you don't win, they not
Speaker 2: coming to see you. But I'm telling you I don't care.
Speaker 2: See that's the notion that people make. Jamal, and you
Speaker 2: know this, a lot of times people say, well, as
Speaker 2: long as I'm doing my job, you shouldn't care about No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that, because see, your job is
Speaker 3: being a professional. That's your job.
Speaker 2: How you conduct yourself while you're doing your job, that's
Speaker 2: called being a pro. And say, we don't like the pro.
Speaker 2: We love the professional because he's given us twenty nine
Speaker 2: thirty two thirty four nine to nine. We know what
Speaker 2: he can do. But that pro eventually will catch up
Speaker 2: with us. His behavior and the way he does things
Speaker 2: that say, naw, we've got to nip this in the bug.
Speaker 2: We got the break he's played at twenty five because
Speaker 2: he's gonna become unk. Bro. We let him get two
Speaker 2: years into sixty and seventy million dollar contract.
Speaker 6: Hey, that joker back coming. Hey, he might come into
Speaker 6: the game drinking a bit. He might come to the
Speaker 6: and smoking on hookah. Because we know Luca loving hooka,
Speaker 6: dout Jamal, he loveth hookah.
Speaker 3: He letting hooker.
Speaker 2: And when you sit back and look at it, Rick
Speaker 2: Krlyle left, he refused the contract extension he had Luca
Speaker 2: at twenty two to twenty three. What coach you know
Speaker 2: would walk away from Lebron walk away from a Magic Johnson,
Speaker 2: Larry Bird. That's what Luca's a comparison is. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's not won a championship, he didn't want an MVP,
Speaker 2: but that's what he is in today's turn. Ain't no
Speaker 2: coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but
Speaker 2: coaches because they know how hard it is to get
Speaker 2: one of those guys. Those guys you don't those guys
Speaker 2: like Luca, they don't come out in the draft every
Speaker 2: year Bron a magic of bird. They don't come. So
Speaker 2: if I get one, I will keep this joke as
Speaker 2: long as I can, as long as they'll have me
Speaker 2: our state.
Speaker 5: And that's why some shocking like we have negative ever
Speaker 5: seeing this and it's so open ended and in some
Speaker 5: shock can always can do them speculating. We don't wish
Speaker 5: nothing around nobody, but we got to figure it out,
Speaker 5: right like that's our job, But higure it out and educate.
Speaker 5: People are getting gonna little get an insight and why
Speaker 5: this happened. Who knows, you know, how they come on?
Speaker 5: His body will be like all that stuff played the part.
Speaker 5: What So what happened is where he's gong and where
Speaker 5: Anthony Batis is going and how its apposed point quote changing.
Speaker 5: We gonna see in the next year or two how
Speaker 5: things lined up and well how answering the future.
Speaker 2: M I also think I think now he just lost
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen million dollars on show basically one
Speaker 2: year that it cost him one hundred and seven It
Speaker 2: cost him one hundred and seventeen million. Now, if that
Speaker 2: don't get your attention, it should have your undivided attentions.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know where y'all who makes one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventeen million dollars a year. Maybe some CEOs, maybe
Speaker 2: a Christiano Ronaldo, maybe in Bob Baby, maybe some of them.
Speaker 2: But the ain't a whole ain't a whole lot of
Speaker 2: players making see undred seventeen million in salary you can
Speaker 2: for at taxing. Yeah, now you got just think about it.
Speaker 2: You could have been, You could have been and that
Speaker 2: in Texas your state income tax it's thirteen and a
Speaker 2: half percent. In California, I don't know if you noticed anything.
Speaker 2: So forty million, they gonna take thirteen and a half percent.
Speaker 3: That's ten.
Speaker 2: So they gonna take four millions in the three So
Speaker 2: they gonna take by six million from you, right there.
Speaker 1: Old joke on far Listen, Let's say he missed out
Speaker 1: on one seventeen right whereever you miss out. What Let's
Speaker 1: say he gets hisself together yet together, gets on the
Speaker 1: right track. Is it the possibility he can recoup that
Speaker 1: money on the back end and the next deal?
Speaker 2: It all depends. Hold up, he's a big enough superstar
Speaker 2: that he can have He can have deals outside because
Speaker 2: he projects. That's one thing he projects globally, So yeah,
Speaker 2: he can make that much, but you can't make up
Speaker 2: what you missed. It's kind of like time because yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just say, for the sake of market, ohoe, he
Speaker 2: signs this deal with the Lakers, so one seventeen.
Speaker 3: Three forty five, so he gets.
Speaker 2: Eight two, twenty eight, twenty eight coup, buddy, But just
Speaker 2: say save a Jamal. You remember when Boogie Boogiet missed
Speaker 2: out on what two hundred million by getting traded to
Speaker 2: by getting traded to, uh, the Pelicans, and then he
Speaker 2: gets injured.
Speaker 3: Never saw pay that again. See that's the thing, oh Joe.
Speaker 2: You see, we're under the assumption and we hope we
Speaker 2: knock on wood that nothing happens. But when you continuously overweight,
Speaker 2: you put stress on your body. Your body ain't used
Speaker 2: to that. Your body ain't used to being trying to
Speaker 2: go up and down that corner on the nightly basis, Jamal,
Speaker 2: you know, at least two nights a week, sometime three
Speaker 2: nights a week when you meant to be two twenty,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you trying to play at two
Speaker 2: sixty something got a gill about you. Something got a
Speaker 2: gay up. Yeah, and that's why, Okay, you got a
Speaker 2: ferrari and you keep hauling logs on top of it,
Speaker 2: and you see what happened to it.
Speaker 3: That's like okay talking one dreading pope.
Speaker 6: You got.
Speaker 1: I'm going five for one eighty on McDonald's and cheeseburgers
Speaker 1: and fries and the coach. So you know, having a
Speaker 1: deal with you at my age, with the skill set
Speaker 1: would never happen any injuries.
Speaker 3: That's easy work. Now see he was doing that at
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Ag ain't number, but the number they the man created
Speaker 1: that man, I know Ain and you whenever you ready,
Speaker 1: I'm here. That's all they got to say.
Speaker 5: You're saying that pool work from this time, they ain't
Speaker 5: working on me. Let me let me, let me ask
Speaker 5: you a questions, Jamal, who do you think won the trade?
Speaker 5: I think Dallas is on the immediate picture that convey
Speaker 5: I think the Native is going to future. And the
Speaker 5: reason being is Dad, he would let's help you. And
Speaker 5: as you know, uh, like we've seen sometimes staff and
Speaker 5: his fault and he's taking dames over the last few year.
Speaker 5: But he's gonna have a different walkload man. You like
Speaker 5: you said, he's gonna be a gol picking rolls a
Speaker 5: lot and probably uh Lucall. That's a great transition of
Speaker 5: the lane to me as a future start whenever Lebron side.
Speaker 5: He's having that because you've gotta have the So I
Speaker 5: think Gos has won it and just so so weird
Speaker 5: the weirdness something dety there because I just whold to guess.
Speaker 5: But do you imagine doing so shaping man no hero
Speaker 5: or between jumper and just a shocking. That's why I
Speaker 5: said I don't take something else. I think there's gonna
Speaker 5: be one.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a shocking break that happened
Speaker 5: for this next time period, like plumba sheet. I think
Speaker 5: something smoke And if.
Speaker 2: You look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dallas they won't but one first round pick. I think,
Speaker 2: give me twenty seven, give me twenty nine. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pick swap in between and give me what you gave me.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's all you hat be because this dude is
Speaker 5: generation look is so good a Challas ball look with
Speaker 5: day all time that when he's playing a time, he
Speaker 5: know you planning that she was going to get your coach,
Speaker 5: Kenny Jampo got that quality. Lagron's well oh you know this.
Speaker 5: I got you on that o't you do? Okay, I'm
Speaker 5: I'm expose him over there like he's one of those
Speaker 5: dudes the games. He always sudden. He looks like a
Speaker 5: got head coo though, like you listen to Chanberry song.
Speaker 5: He saw that peace would get it. That is clazy,
Speaker 5: but Dad can't get it. Always you don't see.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see him three times six Man
Speaker 2: of the Year, of the oldest man in NBA history
Speaker 2: to have a fifty point game, the only man in
Speaker 2: NBA history to have fifty at least fifty with four
Speaker 2: different franchises, the one the only. Jamal Crawford good luck
Speaker 2: next year and calling games on NBC. Jamal, congratulations, job
Speaker 2: well done. Hey, really appreciate your stopping by the drop
Speaker 2: offer some insight into this big trade.
Speaker 3: Appreciate thank you. I even shout to my guy and
Speaker 3: John taking ready get healthy. Well appreciate chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: Now we're joined by a former NBA Rookie of the
Speaker 2: Year All Star, former Warriors head coach Mark Jackson. Mark,
Speaker 2: talk to it, bro, How you doing. Everybody is great, bro.
Speaker 2: We cannot we cannot complain, huh, huh hey, churin your camera, Mark.
Speaker 7: Under see how I do it?
Speaker 2: You tried to pull a shutter sharp audio?
Speaker 5: Do that?
Speaker 2: Uh? Here you go, coach, What's what's going on?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 2: You're good?
Speaker 3: What's up? What's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 6: You good?
Speaker 2: I'm killing it?
Speaker 7: Man, I have to problem for y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Mark, Mark. Let's get into this trade. Bro
Speaker 2: It came out of nowhere. Normally trades like this. It
Speaker 2: had to be a special type of relationship because you
Speaker 2: had to sit on it, because fly to it, drop it.
Speaker 2: There was no win ad getting traded, nothing about Luca
Speaker 2: getting traded, and then boom, You're trading a twenty five
Speaker 2: year old, five time first team All the NBA player
Speaker 2: that haven't even reached his prime yet for Anthony Davis,
Speaker 2: a first round pick and Max Christie. Talk to us
Speaker 2: about the trade. You coached this game, you played this game.
Speaker 2: Talk to us out of the deal like this.
Speaker 7: We don't know the truth of everything. That's first and foremost.
Speaker 7: This is an incredible deal that was pulled off by
Speaker 7: Dallas maveraging in Los Angeles Lakers, primarily Nico Harrison, Rob Polinka.
Speaker 7: It is in my time of playing basketball, following basketball,
Speaker 7: coaching basketball. It is the most shocking trade pulled off
Speaker 7: without anybody leaking it, not anybody knowing anything about it.
Speaker 7: And then with everybody that got wind of it thought
Speaker 7: it was a fluke. We thought it was a fluke.
Speaker 7: I got ten phone calls and the mentums fan saying,
Speaker 7: can't be real. Can you can you confirm it? I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't know, I can't confirm it or not. It's
Speaker 7: it's shocking, like you said, a twenty five year old guy,
Speaker 7: five times First Team All NBA Generational Talent. One thing
Speaker 7: I would have done if I was Nico Harrison Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 7: I'm not minomizing it to Los Angeles Lakers and that
Speaker 7: one phone call, I am opening up the bidding for
Speaker 7: Luca Dontons, letting everybody know. Everybody's well aware of what
Speaker 7: he brings to the table. I got him assured. Now
Speaker 7: the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the only
Speaker 7: got from the Lakers. I doubt it, and Lisa would
Speaker 7: have made sure the Lakers sent it. Hopefully their first
Speaker 7: round picked it. But uh, but at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, you can't underestimate he got a he got
Speaker 7: an Elae first ballot Hall of Famer in Anthony Davis,
Speaker 7: whose only concern is staying healthy when he's on the floor.
Speaker 7: He's a dominant basketball player, and I believe it helps
Speaker 7: both teams. The Lakers continue to add by adding a
Speaker 7: big both teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all.
Speaker 7: The Lakers because they have two guys that can control
Speaker 7: a basketball game at all times on the offensive man
Speaker 7: Dallas Mavericks because they have a legit big man that
Speaker 7: prefers from his own words to play the powerful position,
Speaker 7: now has two young, athletic, energetic bigs to protect him.
Speaker 7: And then you have a guy like Carrie Irvan who's
Speaker 7: a special, special generational talent in his own right that
Speaker 7: can do some similar things with Luca and can carry
Speaker 7: them on the offense then and create an offense for
Speaker 7: himself on his teammates. Heck, my former lead assistant, Peach Mayans,
Speaker 7: who played for the Chicago Bulls, the brilliant basketball mindset.
Speaker 7: A Hall of Fame general manager once said to him,
Speaker 7: do not make a trade that can cost you your job.
Speaker 7: And that's what Nico Harrison did. But I give him
Speaker 7: credit because so many guys willing to just cruise along.
Speaker 7: I can win twenty games, thirty games. I could go
Speaker 7: to the lottery time and time. I could be bad,
Speaker 7: and I got any excuse. He swung for defensive and
Speaker 7: the only dabble I think he gave up a home
Speaker 7: run talent. But Anthony Davis has gotten stayed healthy and'll
Speaker 7: be good for you know, the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Hey, coach, listen for someone who played the game for
Speaker 1: a long time, for someone who coached the game as
Speaker 1: well as a coach, and you think about that. Just
Speaker 1: want you to put your GM hat on for a
Speaker 1: quick minute. What can a player do to the magnitude?
Speaker 1: And where's that egregious to you? Trade somebody that young,
Speaker 1: that's that spectacular and brings that much to a team,
Speaker 1: especially from an office to standpoint, you got to talk
Speaker 1: to me. Just just give me some give me some
Speaker 1: type of better context or context on what could a
Speaker 1: player do behind the scenes that could warrant such a
Speaker 1: trade for someone so good.
Speaker 7: That's what makes it shocking to me. And I think
Speaker 7: that's a great question. And what I don't like is
Speaker 7: all of a sudden stuff come out that didn't come
Speaker 7: out all along. So let's let's be fat in him.
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, the things we
Speaker 7: know about it can be a better conditioned outroute. He
Speaker 7: can be better committed on the defense. To end, you
Speaker 7: can have a better competitive fight and spirit. Be fat
Speaker 7: not every fifth possession, every tenth possession. I could show
Speaker 7: you fifty clips of Luca Doncers more than capable of
Speaker 7: defending and having game plan discipline on the defense land
Speaker 7: of the floor. That can show you two hundred clips.
Speaker 7: But he lays down points to thing and blame somebody else.
Speaker 7: I would say to my ownership, for my management, that's
Speaker 7: interested in trading for Luca, trading Luca dots because of
Speaker 7: those reasons, I would tell him personally, that's all me.
Speaker 7: He's been in this league six years. I got to
Speaker 7: do a better job of bringing that out of am
Speaker 7: and hold him an accountable defending at a high level,
Speaker 7: competing at a high level, being a better leader, and
Speaker 7: that would be all me.
Speaker 2: But what about go ahead?
Speaker 3: I'm confused now.
Speaker 1: You think about what Luca is able to do from
Speaker 1: the office standpoint right, and one of the gripes one
Speaker 1: of the issues that he may have is his lack
Speaker 1: of ability to play defense. But if he is a
Speaker 1: little bit better on defense, coach, wouldn't that takeaway from
Speaker 1: his offensive production? That sounds like a receiver that didn't
Speaker 1: want to block when it wasn't his, when it wasn't
Speaker 1: his check. Because you're not going to you on this
Speaker 1: plate doesn't than giving you a license to chill. You
Speaker 1: still have the responsibility and my job as a coach
Speaker 1: is a whole.
Speaker 7: You're accountable to that because it's not about you, it's
Speaker 7: about us, and other guys are watching them. If I
Speaker 7: allow you to do that, and because they're rolling one day,
Speaker 7: I allowed them to that. I'm not saying I'm holding
Speaker 7: you to the same standard. I like that and the
Speaker 7: idea were we all have kids and that's not how
Speaker 7: it works. But I'm gonna hold you to a standard.
Speaker 7: But I will not accept and and and losing. I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna but I will not accept the winning. I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna accept lot. I gotta say to you, I
Speaker 7: gotta say, where have you heard That's?
Speaker 3: I heard it?
Speaker 7: Because guys are watching, I can't. I can't now yell
Speaker 7: at you because no, I've been doing this for twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: I've been doing this for five years.
Speaker 2: Now. You got a problem with it. See, you never
Speaker 2: accept anything. You never accepted anything in the wind, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have a lost. But here the thing, okay, Jack,
Speaker 2: you said, is your job to hold them accountable for
Speaker 2: a little bit more for the defensive end. Are you
Speaker 2: holding yourself accountable for his unconditioned, his training, his eating?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Guess what I gotta I gotta go see him
Speaker 7: in the off season. I gotta take a flight and
Speaker 7: go spend some time with him. I gotta send one
Speaker 7: of my assistants on my player development coaches go spend
Speaker 7: some time with him. I gotta go. I gotta send
Speaker 7: the chef with him. I'm gonna put you in position
Speaker 7: to be successful. I don't want you to just chase
Speaker 7: down being a five time All NBA team player or
Speaker 7: generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry at
Speaker 7: the end of the day. I want you to be
Speaker 7: in that special room with those special guys that you
Speaker 7: deserve to be in. I'm just being there with just
Speaker 7: all everybody else you should he should be. He's good
Speaker 7: enough and great enough to be in the room by
Speaker 7: with just a handful of guy. He's that special the talent,
Speaker 7: and I'm cheating him if I fall short of holding
Speaker 7: him accountable and put them in.
Speaker 2: Position to take away those those credits. But Jack, right, Jack,
Speaker 2: you can't. I tell my kids this, I can't want
Speaker 2: something from you more than you want it for yourself.
Speaker 2: And you got kids, and you know they've gotta want
Speaker 2: it for themselves as much as you want it for them.
Speaker 2: If Luca doesn't want what you want for him is
Speaker 2: not gonna work. It's just won't.
Speaker 3: It just won't.
Speaker 2: That's true. But he is so special and so great.
Speaker 2: You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't.
Speaker 7: He's so special and so great. You average a forty
Speaker 7: point triple double in the playoffs. You are the best
Speaker 7: player in the Eastern Conference, I mean the Western Conference finals.
Speaker 7: You're the best player in the He is a special,
Speaker 7: special talent. I'm not asking him, and I'm gonna tell him.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna push you right a button. I'm not asking
Speaker 7: you something that I believe you can't do. I'm not
Speaker 7: asking you to protect the rim and block shout. I'm
Speaker 7: not asking you to be a lockdown defendant. I'm not
Speaker 7: asking you to be two hundred pounds. Let's let's meet
Speaker 7: somewhere in the middle. Where where now it's acceptable. I'm
Speaker 7: not asking me.
Speaker 2: I just don't want you to point the finger to
Speaker 2: a guy light open in the corner and you just
Speaker 2: stand there and you know that's your man and that's
Speaker 2: your responsibility. Everybody in the reading knows that your fault.
Speaker 2: That should burn, that should upset you. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened to me.
Speaker 7: And seven years playing fessional basketball, and then all these
Speaker 7: years are playing basketball, I got exposure times on the
Speaker 7: defense bat, but I got upset about it, and I
Speaker 7: reacted to it and responding to it and held myself accountable.
Speaker 1: Listen, cole on more. One more question, one more question.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right, the
Speaker 1: mental part. As far as Lucas concerned, How's he going
Speaker 1: to react? How's he going to is the trade? This
Speaker 1: is a wake up call? Is he gonna fold?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: Two things can happen.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, you think your player, you're sitting
Speaker 3: on top of the world.
Speaker 1: You feel you feel like you're invincible, you know you're
Speaker 1: making good money, you one of the best players in
Speaker 1: the NBA, and all of a sudden you get that call,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now,
Speaker 1: what Luca are we gonna get from this point going forward?
Speaker 1: Are we getting pissed off Luca? Or we're getting a
Speaker 1: Luca that's gonna fold under the pressure. We don't know
Speaker 1: that Luca that you're talking about folding under pressure. All
Speaker 1: he's done in six years is be great, be a
Speaker 1: generational talent.
Speaker 2: He's been special.
Speaker 3: What just happened, Coach, he got traded exactly.
Speaker 1: Now, getting traded can do something to your mental Now
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the different kind of pressure, pressure plan
Speaker 1: and being comfortable in Dallas knowing you that guy is different.
Speaker 7: I agree with you with certain dudes with this. I
Speaker 7: don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady
Speaker 7: in New England. He's Tom Brady. And Tampa Bay Luca doctors.
Speaker 7: We're not gonna cheat his talent and his level of
Speaker 7: great He's a special talent. I believe it will elevate
Speaker 7: him conditionally wise and and and the fight, you know,
Speaker 7: to fight defensively because he's got a guy in the
Speaker 7: locker room that that's a hero of him that he
Speaker 7: looks up to. Now, Lebron Jayson certainly has his flaws,
Speaker 7: and times. But one thing he does is takes Hevin
Speaker 7: body and he's an all time great. He's a special
Speaker 7: talent that if you just hang around, You've got testimonies
Speaker 7: from teammates, coaches. He's gonna make you better. And Luca
Speaker 7: Dontas will be a better conditioned athlete and a better
Speaker 7: defender competitively speaking, because of being around Lebron James.
Speaker 2: That's one thing. Lebron James will Brington the table without
Speaker 2: a doubt. But you know what, Jack, I had a
Speaker 2: guy to tell me one time. He say, they'll toleration
Speaker 2: until they could replace you professional lucas a professional basketball player.
Speaker 2: It seems to me, Nico Collins, Nico Harrison had a
Speaker 2: problem with him being a pro, which was how he
Speaker 2: conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't
Speaker 2: It had to get to a point, Mark, Mark, and
Speaker 2: you know this having played, Mark, you played seventeen years,
Speaker 2: you played seventeen years, you coached in this league in
Speaker 2: order for you to trade a generational talent, because we've
Speaker 2: never seen it happen before at twenty five, the behavior
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, it had to be change. There's no
Speaker 2: other way about it, Jack, There's no other way that
Speaker 2: twenty five year old generational talent.
Speaker 7: We've never seen him before. Unless he asked to be traded,
Speaker 7: that's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be trade.
Speaker 7: He said he wanted to spend his life on the dartismatic.
Speaker 7: So there is clearly something that that that made them
Speaker 7: pull the trigger and and and make the trade and
Speaker 7: pick up the phone and call it Los Angeles. I
Speaker 7: don't know what it is, and that'll come out at
Speaker 7: some point, but it's but but it is if it
Speaker 7: don't come out to watch it, regular player that that
Speaker 7: that you just decide him pick up the phone. No,
Speaker 7: I can handle the think about it when it's like
Speaker 7: the defensive intensity for forty eight minutes and it's not
Speaker 7: conditioning overall.
Speaker 2: The dude was still a five time first team All
Speaker 2: NBA player in six years. So yep, I'm gonna live
Speaker 2: with I'm gonna live with some of that and try
Speaker 2: to make them better. I'm not just gonna pick up
Speaker 2: the phone on a on a random day and call
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles. So it's something that pushed the button
Speaker 2: and make them make this call. But Jack, my internal
Speaker 2: raised with Rick Carlile wouldn't sign the contract. Extension. You
Speaker 2: know how hard it is to get a generational player.
Speaker 2: They don't fall on trees, and a lot of coaches
Speaker 2: never get an opportunity to could coach a generational talent.
Speaker 2: Rick Carlyle didn't accept the contract extension, and he had
Speaker 2: a twenty two to twenty three year old Luca that
Speaker 2: should have raised the antenna, but really raised mintenda when
Speaker 2: I heard Nico Harrison say culture. When you hear that, Jack,
Speaker 2: I know your intender raised too, because we see this
Speaker 2: with Zion. We believe it's conditioning plays a role in
Speaker 2: his injuries. We see that with Joe Embiid. We believe
Speaker 2: his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe.
Speaker 2: I believe it is my estimation and I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at this from a distance. I believe the Mavericks believed
Speaker 2: that Luca's conditioned on lack thereof his training, his eating
Speaker 2: habits play a role in those injuries. And I got
Speaker 2: to give you seventy million dollars this summer for next summer,
Speaker 2: for five years.
Speaker 7: Oh no, I could do that. Oh I can do it,
Speaker 7: and you would do it too. The guy the top
Speaker 7: five player in the world, no question about is ability
Speaker 7: The thing I got a problem with is we can
Speaker 7: pat him. Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson two guys that
Speaker 7: have a tough time staying on the floor. That's not
Speaker 7: Luca's issue. He plays hurt, he plays hobble, doesn't take
Speaker 7: care of his body the best condition physically, doesn't come
Speaker 7: in shape and can't and can't, but he plays. He
Speaker 7: loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a
Speaker 7: substantial amount of game. I think culture is the conditioning.
Speaker 7: It's how we act on the bus, is how we
Speaker 7: act on the plane, is how we act in the
Speaker 7: locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you
Speaker 7: an example. Jimmy Butler report come out. Jimmy Butler had
Speaker 7: the plane waiting for a hour on everybody waits him.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? That's not that's on me. I'm
Speaker 2: not waiting off with nobody. That's what happened with the reporter.
Speaker 2: The plane is taking off with leaving Jimmy but wait
Speaker 2: for Jimmy Butler. And you're setting yourself up with disaster.
Speaker 2: You're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No,
Speaker 2: we're gonna set the tone right away. We're leaving this guy,
Speaker 2: and if he shows up to the game, he shows
Speaker 2: with the game. We're handling that. But I don't, well,
Speaker 2: what kind of president are you sitting with Luca when
Speaker 2: you know he's out of shape, when you know he's
Speaker 2: not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training proper Dude.
Speaker 7: Thirty and nine, he's the best player on the floor
Speaker 7: every night. So you gotta find other other ways to
Speaker 7: push the button to get him respond. You gotta you
Speaker 7: gotta pull him in the office by yourself and talk
Speaker 7: to him. You gotta pull him in the office with carrier,
Speaker 7: everybody to pull him in office with the gym. You
Speaker 7: gotta pull him in office with ownership, bring in some
Speaker 7: form of grades, bring in Dirk and distance, whatever trick
Speaker 7: you got to do to push the button. Trick I
Speaker 7: don't know. He sees dark you gotta do to push
Speaker 7: the button. Your job, My job is to find that
Speaker 7: button and push it. Because he is great, and he's
Speaker 7: an all time great, But I want to put him
Speaker 7: in that special room that he deserves to be in.
Speaker 2: I'm not like this.
Speaker 7: This guy's you had get talked up to be great
Speaker 7: when he walked into this See he was great. You know,
Speaker 7: don't You don't have to hype him up and talk
Speaker 7: him up. He's great from day one. So now let's
Speaker 7: get you into that special room. And it's something that
Speaker 7: you deserve that you're cheating yourself and get about me,
Speaker 7: you're cheating yourself if you don't put yourself in the
Speaker 7: best possible position to get that. Does he want to
Speaker 7: be in that room? You want him in that room?
Speaker 7: Does he want to be in there?
Speaker 2: Because if he wanted to be in that Jack all
Speaker 2: the gretes that you mentioned that in the handful of guys,
Speaker 2: did any coach had to hold their hand Jordan, Kobe,
Speaker 2: lebron Bird, Magic, Kareem give me some more, Elijah won
Speaker 2: the guy the handful of guy that's in that room,
Speaker 2: did they have to be hand with Spoon?
Speaker 1: Ba Hey, do you think a Jack you think the
Speaker 1: culture he comes from is a little bit different as
Speaker 1: opposed to all the guys that I'm just named and
Speaker 1: their approach to the game of basketball.
Speaker 2: Maybe that might be the issue. I might have something
Speaker 2: to do with it. But the dude was a pro
Speaker 2: at thirteen years old. He's been a pro since he's
Speaker 2: been thirteen years old. He's a special talent, and I
Speaker 2: agree with you with those guys that you named, but
Speaker 2: there's some guys that I don't have him at the
Speaker 2: top of my head. But some guys have to be
Speaker 2: push to long some guys. Some guys didn't love basketball
Speaker 2: and they're in that special role. Tim Dummy didn't touch
Speaker 2: the basketball until he got into high school. I believe
Speaker 2: it's junior. Yet he was a swim dude. He was like,
Speaker 2: you need swimmer whoo.
Speaker 7: Just it's great enough to get in that room. And
Speaker 7: I believe he's gonna get there. And I believe putting
Speaker 7: on purple and goal and having a new challenge in
Speaker 7: his life is going to get him there. But he
Speaker 7: also has to have coaches, management, ownership, leadership that in
Speaker 7: that locker room that holds with cattle and has the
Speaker 7: same voice as the people that's trying to pour into
Speaker 7: his life instead of high five and hugging him and
Speaker 7: giving him that when he won a ball game, so
Speaker 7: let's talk about you on the game, But how about
Speaker 7: the defensive stop that you gave up on It almost
Speaker 7: cost us the game.
Speaker 2: So we can have that conversation too. Got to surround
Speaker 2: himself with people and are not yes and then the
Speaker 2: hole them accountable and push button and inspire him to
Speaker 2: one of as bad as we want short long term.
Speaker 2: Who do you believe wan to trade short long term?
Speaker 2: I love I love ad to the MAVs Kyrie and
Speaker 2: the pick and roll. Great help defender, can defend one
Speaker 2: through five for minus in the pick and roll, can
Speaker 2: help with weak five defense.
Speaker 3: The Lakers got a little lax on defense.
Speaker 2: Lebron can't sit in the cherry any more than forty
Speaker 2: Luca we talked about that doesn't really want to play.
Speaker 3: Austur reeves people attack him because they can't.
Speaker 2: Uh. The Lakers got substantially weaker all the defensive, meaning
Speaker 2: they set themselves off for the next ten years. Though
Speaker 2: you can't we can't take that take that away from them.
Speaker 2: I think both teams are in position to win a championship.
Speaker 2: You're the Lakers, Your next movie is your best move.
Speaker 7: They gotta find it big to clean up some of
Speaker 7: the mess and protect the weakness that they have on
Speaker 7: the defensive side of the flaw. A protecting round, play
Speaker 7: the pick and roll, a hold the fort down a
Speaker 7: little bit as German penetration of affection, and I, unlike
Speaker 7: with the Dallas I think both teams have helped themselves
Speaker 7: because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is. And
Speaker 7: clearly I already raided enough about Luke the Doctor. He's
Speaker 7: going to be interesting to see how this thing all
Speaker 7: plays out. And I think the Lakers cannot be judged
Speaker 7: on just win. They are a championship, but not winning
Speaker 7: a championship this year. They got a generational talent which's
Speaker 7: hard to find that puts them in position after Lebron
Speaker 7: James Lee.
Speaker 2: But let me ask your questions. Let's just say, and
Speaker 2: now I'm hoping, Hey, you know I root for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping Luca like man, I just caused myself one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 3: Everybody believes I could be special. I am special.
Speaker 2: Let me do what it takes in order to be
Speaker 2: in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking around. There's
Speaker 2: only a handful of guys in there. They are only
Speaker 2: a handful of guys that deserve the be mentioned of
Speaker 2: being in there. There's I mean, some guys can peep
Speaker 2: in the room, but there's some guys that's sitting at
Speaker 2: the table in the room. Yes, let me, let me
Speaker 2: let me get on my conditioning, let me hire me
Speaker 2: a chef. Look, I'm not saying whatever. Hey, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Michael Jordan smokes more cigars than anybody and stand
Speaker 2: up with that that and bust and bust them up. Mark.
Speaker 3: Some guys drink. Some guys can do that.
Speaker 2: But the one thing you know about by mj he
Speaker 2: came into shape lebron loves his wife and a car
Speaker 2: gets a cigar. But you know he don't cheat the process.
Speaker 2: And the one thing about those guys that are in
Speaker 2: that room, they didn't cheat the process. You're right. Tim
Speaker 2: Duncan didn't play basketball until high school, but Park he
Speaker 2: was coachable. Pap got on him to coach everybody else.
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan when he stepped on that floor, you know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get. But you also knew he was
Speaker 2: a pro off the court. He was gonna come in
Speaker 2: in shape, he was gonna be conditioned, and he's gonna
Speaker 2: be ready to go. And he didn't have no ticket tack.
Speaker 2: It points the finger directly to the player. They gotta
Speaker 2: want it.
Speaker 7: And I believe that he's gonna be in that room
Speaker 7: because his talent tells me that he's gonna be in
Speaker 7: that room. I believe he wants it. I believe this
Speaker 7: situation will enhance his desire to prove people wrong. And
Speaker 7: I believe that if you are a general manager, ownership,
Speaker 7: or coach or superstar player playing alongside of him, you
Speaker 7: also have the responsibility to hold him account all and
Speaker 7: to deliver the message to him when he's falling short
Speaker 7: from that. And I believe he's got to be able
Speaker 7: to be mad enough empower those people to do exactly that,
Speaker 7: because at the end of the day, I know they
Speaker 7: want what's best for me, if they want what's special
Speaker 7: for me, and it's gonna be what's best for this team,
Speaker 7: and ultimately I'm gonna be in that room. What he
Speaker 7: doesn't want to do is what you talk about. Put
Speaker 7: his head peeking in that room, and then he gets
Speaker 7: most count of the no. He deserves to be in
Speaker 7: that room comptantly, because his talent tells us.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the other trade that happened to day
Speaker 2: the Aaron Fox is going to the San Antonio Spurs exact,
Speaker 2: Levin going to the Sacramento Key. It seems now it
Speaker 2: seems not guys will sign that first extension, get that
Speaker 2: guaranteed money and then after that they're on the hood.
Speaker 2: You see de Fox, he's on his way to San Antonio.
Speaker 2: He wants to play with Wimby. Nice squad there, you
Speaker 2: see Zach Levine. Zach has been the report that Zach
Speaker 2: Levine has wanted to get out of Chicago for the
Speaker 2: extended period of time.
Speaker 3: He's reunited with DeMar de Rozen in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: You have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, DeMar de Rozan,
Speaker 2: Zach Levine, Demontes Sabonas.
Speaker 7: They got a nice squad, Keegan Murray, they got a
Speaker 7: nice quake about Sacramento. Daron Fox obviously has played his
Speaker 7: willingness to be traded. Let the Trillings we know, and uh,
Speaker 7: they made a trade, but they didn't surrender the season.
Speaker 7: They win't got a guy that can help them immediately.
Speaker 7: In a twenty five point score on Zach Levine, that's
Speaker 7: proven that's comfortable playing alongside of themar De Rose. So
Speaker 7: they have criminal player, great versatility, great youth, incredible fan base,
Speaker 7: and you have some owners and kicking Murray that they
Speaker 7: have talent that still should put them in the mix
Speaker 7: playoff time in the Western Conference and and and and
Speaker 7: still an exciting future moving forward, whether exactly be ops
Speaker 7: saying ops out. At the end of the year, the
Speaker 7: a fox goes to a situation where he's playing with
Speaker 7: a generational talent and winby and and it fits his
Speaker 7: skill set where he can be creative on the perimeter,
Speaker 7: playing pick and roll with him at times, be aggressive
Speaker 7: as a scorer, at times, be aggressive as a facilitator.
Speaker 7: It's an ideal situation. One thing you touched on that
Speaker 7: I still try to figure out as I spend time
Speaker 7: by myself today. These dudes are turning down three hundred
Speaker 7: million dollars, like give me, give me, give me my money,
Speaker 7: give me, give.
Speaker 2: Me my money, and we'll figure everything else.
Speaker 7: Yeah, three hundred million. I don't care how much you made.
Speaker 7: This is real money. Go get your money, yes, and
Speaker 7: then find the right situation. Don't leave it on the
Speaker 7: don't leave money on the tape. I play with the
Speaker 7: guy that gave back five hundred thousand dollars in order
Speaker 7: to be a free agent at the end of the year.
Speaker 7: Never recouped and that was that was back in nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty nine, nineteen ninety never got back that five hundred
Speaker 7: thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: You can't make it back. We talked him now, two
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars. Are you kidding me? Get your paper,
Speaker 2: young fella. I will, And I don't want to underestandate
Speaker 2: this because portunately, I don't know a lot about this,
Speaker 2: and Shining you don't know enoughing a lot about this.
Speaker 2: But my guy Chatow till signal knows enough about it.
Speaker 2: That's news. It can be frustrating time. I mean at times,
Speaker 2: I watched you. I watched I've seen the frustration I see.
Speaker 2: I've seen it running routes and playing for you know,
Speaker 2: it was tough at time, and I was thrilled and
Speaker 2: happy when you got a chance to win and be
Speaker 2: on the right in the right situation. You deserved it.
Speaker 7: So it can be frustrating and wanting to excellent times.
Speaker 7: But get your money. One thing about my guy Olter,
Speaker 7: he gets it. He got his money and he keeps
Speaker 7: his money. I'm watching you, jee, let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: We see these things about Zion, and then Zion has
Speaker 2: had and they even worded his contract that he has
Speaker 2: to be a certain way, he has to have his
Speaker 2: body percentage down, and we've never seen it. Look he
Speaker 2: reminds you of a more explosive Charles Barkner and Barkley
Speaker 2: like he had malone, he had those other guys, and
Speaker 2: he said, mosa ma alone, rest his soul. Say, Charles,
Speaker 2: you fat and you lazy. You got two things. You young,
Speaker 2: you fat, and you lazy. You got two things working
Speaker 2: against you. And Barkley says, you know what if they
Speaker 2: get tender. He got ten pounds off in like two weeks,
Speaker 2: and then he got another ten pounds off in a month,
Speaker 2: and before you know it, Charles will turn himself into
Speaker 2: an MVP, one of the better power forwards to ever
Speaker 2: play the game. We see this with Joel Embiid when
Speaker 2: you get a guy in Bad's size and people don't
Speaker 2: realize this. The bigger you are, the bigger that frame mill,
Speaker 2: the more way they can hold jack. You seven foot two, oh,
Speaker 2: you could easily be four hundred, maybe even five. And
Speaker 2: when you get hurt during the season, now you can't condition,
Speaker 2: and so guess what you're still eating but you're not practicing,
Speaker 2: you're not playing, and so guess what you might be
Speaker 2: two ninety five, three hundred. Next thing you know, you're
Speaker 2: three ten, you're three twenty you're three thirty, you're three forty,
Speaker 2: you're three fifty. Now you go back out there, you
Speaker 2: three fifty, and you try to run up and down
Speaker 2: that court, and you jump up your knees, go out,
Speaker 2: your feet, your ankles, your hips. What do you say
Speaker 2: to that jack?
Speaker 7: Part of it, I blame organizations that allowed him to
Speaker 7: be this way coming in. So I'm trying to be
Speaker 7: your friend and your boy and oh w e w
Speaker 7: when you come in instead of saying, okay, these are
Speaker 7: the problems that we foresee, is what we have to
Speaker 7: do to put your position to succeed from day one.
Speaker 7: I don't care what your bone structure is with your body, fats,
Speaker 7: I know what it should be. They co signed a
Speaker 7: lot of that stuff, initially with Zion Williamson saying he
Speaker 7: was heavy boning, you know, and he can only get
Speaker 7: down to a certain boyt of way. No, he's an
Speaker 7: incredible young man. He's an incredible talent. And you look
Speaker 7: at his body now, it's giving than when he came in.
Speaker 7: So he certainly has a desire to get better. I
Speaker 7: think the biggest, biggest thing for him. You compare them
Speaker 7: to Charld Coarckley and the bodies were similar, but Charles
Speaker 7: Barkley from day one had to jump them. He was
Speaker 7: shooting threes back in eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine,
Speaker 7: so he was a skilled overweight performer on the basketball
Speaker 7: floor and who had ranged Ryan Williamson, if you're playing
Speaker 7: against him, you can dare him to shoot the jumper. Now,
Speaker 7: Kenny hit it, yeah, once in a while, And I'm
Speaker 7: saying it's restrictly because he's a great player, but he
Speaker 7: has a flaw that can be exposed on the defensive
Speaker 7: side of the floor. You're going against him, especially in
Speaker 7: a playoff series, so he's got to spend time to
Speaker 7: enhance and perfect that side of the floor and his range.
Speaker 7: Because he puts his head down, he gets anywhere he wants.
Speaker 7: So now you add a decent jumper to that, He's
Speaker 7: He's a He's a nightmare for anybody to defense. We're
Speaker 7: told about elite players that have that have opportunity to
Speaker 7: make the enternt on this game, and it should hurt
Speaker 7: them when they don't because.
Speaker 2: They're not in the best shape they could possibly be
Speaker 2: in m I still have never understand Rudy Gobert got
Speaker 2: traded for four first round picks. Luka Doncics got traded
Speaker 2: for Anthony Davis in one first round pick. I don't
Speaker 2: know who did, Hey, Nico Collins. Bus know some people,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure Nico has Excuse me, Rob Perlinka says,
Speaker 2: just imagine if you were sitting at home and got
Speaker 2: a fall you're interested in Luca. Heck, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: you don't even have to work. You can win Executive
Speaker 2: of the Year just because you picked up the phone.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: What what's that you what statue out for? What you
Speaker 3: want for Luca?
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever you need, Jack, whatever you need, what you need.
Speaker 7: Who we're talking about. We're talking about the guy that's
Speaker 7: just after Lebron Lebron. He's gonna still be playing. I
Speaker 7: don't get I don't care how much time did you
Speaker 7: get Lebron. Luca Doctors will still be your franchise player
Speaker 7: when Lebron ax the building. And that's what you need
Speaker 7: if you're late, if you Lakers, you gotta have franchise players.
Speaker 7: They started with Will, with Kareem Shaq Lebron, and now
Speaker 7: they got Luca. So they just continue to strength the
Speaker 7: stream of getting elite, multi talented great players to keep
Speaker 7: this thing for the Lakers going Jack, We got to
Speaker 7: get you out here on that well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for join us. We really appreach
Speaker 2: your appreciate your insight and talking about this trade and
Speaker 2: the other trades. Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach
Speaker 2: Levine going to Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 3: We'll see you down the road.
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