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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of The Break. Today. We have
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. We're gonna do a season
Speaker 1: review somewhat of that, and then we'll hit the whole
Speaker 1: free agent list and check out or find out who
Speaker 1: these guys will keep. Wow or got it? It's a
Speaker 1: lot to get to. Yeah, we're doing forty five minutes
Speaker 1: today or an hour an hour? Awesome, right, need it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Any time. So we'll get into that in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But before I wanted just to do a quick mention
Speaker 1: late Invenderash he made it into the Pro Bowl. I'll
Speaker 1: replace nice al wa ware you go replacing? Uh? Looking?
Speaker 1: Is that how you saying? He's there? Yes, Okay, he's injured,
Speaker 1: but he's replacing it. Any surprises as to Layton being picked,
Speaker 1: I know there were some discussion of other people having
Speaker 1: or at least I saw on Twitter, whether him or
Speaker 1: Jayalen between these two guys, So do you agree with
Speaker 1: this replacement and pick? Yeah, I'm a little surprised. I
Speaker 1: thought the Bears. The Bears are one of the few
Speaker 1: teams that announces all their alternates, so they they had
Speaker 1: three linebackers that were altered, and so I didn't know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, how that would work out. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure Jaalen's probably a little upset about that.
Speaker 1: But you know, vander Esh was better, I mean, had
Speaker 1: a better, better season, And I don't know, it's hard
Speaker 1: for us to say, like who is a Pro Bowler
Speaker 1: because he looking at it all the other guys out there,
Speaker 1: but he looked like a Pro Bowl type of player.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting question. I'll ask you guys, if
Speaker 1: right now you had to say who you think is
Speaker 1: a better linebacker between Jalen Smith and Layton Vanderesh based
Speaker 1: upon what you saw this year, because I think this
Speaker 1: was really the first year that we saw Jalen play
Speaker 1: at this level. He showed some signs of it other times,
Speaker 1: but I thought this year was a consistent level. Which
Speaker 1: would you say is a better linebacker Layton Vanderesh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's close though, because I mean it's easy to
Speaker 1: say yo, Vandersh. But then you're like, why it was more?
Speaker 1: Next question. I think Layton's instincts are just especially and
Speaker 1: I know, I know, you know everything with Jalen's career
Speaker 1: he sat for a year and all that, but he
Speaker 1: just his instincts are really impressive. Like he does things
Speaker 1: that we saw Sean Lee do for a decade. You know,
Speaker 1: the number of times he split blocks and knew where
Speaker 1: the ball was going before the quarterback had even thrown it.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are rare plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: we I think kind of him for granted, because we
Speaker 1: saw Sean Lee to him for so long and and
Speaker 1: Jalen's really good. I'm not trying to dog him, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, like one of the things that stood out
Speaker 1: to me when watching these two guys would be that
Speaker 1: I feel that I would see Laton being able to
Speaker 1: handle several guys at once and versus Jalen. Jalen would
Speaker 1: like run and take care of somebody, but Layton could
Speaker 1: do that with multiple guys. Yeah, I think, and Jalen
Speaker 1: is a more physical tackler. Maybe you know, you guess
Speaker 1: and I feel that. But I mean, this is like
Speaker 1: the Warriors fans saying who's better Currier Kevin Durant, I
Speaker 1: mean Curry. It doesn't matter. I mean, I mean, actually,
Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, it doesn't matter the thing. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's like, I don't know. It kind of
Speaker 1: does matter in the sense that they're well, there's that,
Speaker 1: but I'll come they're probably gonna get to eating each
Speaker 1: other's way of the Pro Bowl for the next next
Speaker 1: however many years that they're playing. I mean, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna eat votes from each other. And no, I'm not
Speaker 1: latee Vanderesh had a way better season than Roquan Smith
Speaker 1: Floyd in Chicago. He's more of a pass rusher than
Speaker 1: like a true linebacker, so I'm not surprised. And it
Speaker 1: certainly helps that he plays for the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: think he had a better season than Jalen. It's deserved.
Speaker 1: They're both really good. They'll both be here for a
Speaker 1: long time, so it's fine. I thought those two games
Speaker 1: in a row, Philadelphia on the road and then Atlanta,
Speaker 1: those are the two games that really kind of took
Speaker 1: Vanderesh to another level that the was at nineteen tackles
Speaker 1: against the Eagles with an interception and ye, really big
Speaker 1: stop late in that game. And then against Atlanta, comes
Speaker 1: back the next week, another interception that kind of turned
Speaker 1: the game around, and had to play at the goal
Speaker 1: line where he knocked out you know, knocked away a pass.
Speaker 1: I mean those two right there when everyone started to
Speaker 1: realize a way a second, this guy you know, really good.
Speaker 1: And then howling around in the Saints game and all
Speaker 1: that and the national TV that that kind of keep
Speaker 1: in mind also Layton didn't take over as an every
Speaker 1: down starter until Week four. Think about what his numbers
Speaker 1: would be if he started every game this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and by the way, if even towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season, he I mean, I should say in the postseason,
Speaker 1: in this last game particularly, he wasn't having some reps
Speaker 1: where he was I mean some series where he was
Speaker 1: all because they were trying to get Lee into the game.
Speaker 1: So you think about holistically, his numbers could have been
Speaker 1: much much higher than what they were if he were
Speaker 1: a typical you know, if you were a typical Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl linebacker. Right, but you know, it goes back to
Speaker 1: and I understand rotations and stuff like that, but you
Speaker 1: have an All Pro and Pro Bowl linebacker. I mean
Speaker 1: they were second team All Pro and because as an
Speaker 1: alternate linebacker or whatever, that's one of the best linebackers
Speaker 1: in the league. And it's third and eight and you've
Speaker 1: got to stop the rams one more time to get
Speaker 1: the ball back and give your team a chance. Why
Speaker 1: would why would he not be out there? I mean
Speaker 1: I don't get that. Why would Sean Lee be out
Speaker 1: there wrestling around with that tight end and trying? You know,
Speaker 1: and Jeff Heath made the worst place, that worst play
Speaker 1: of his season. I mean, he looked gloss. If you're
Speaker 1: going back and look at that point, yeah, but did you?
Speaker 1: And I don't really know what happened. I read Brian's
Speaker 1: dissection of the play, and his opinion was that that
Speaker 1: he thought he was covering somebody in man coverage and
Speaker 1: because of that, it kind of caused him to pause
Speaker 1: for a second. And that's why he didn't just go
Speaker 1: straight toward Golf, Which the question becomes, then if if
Speaker 1: that really were the case, and he would have just
Speaker 1: shot to where golf, does Golf dump it right over
Speaker 1: his head because there's now a free receiver running down
Speaker 1: the field. So I don't really know. Again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's assignments. And that's always the tough part about all
Speaker 1: this is we make these analysis points based upon what
Speaker 1: we see and you don't always know what the assignment was. Um,
Speaker 1: so who knows. Who knows whether that was really his
Speaker 1: assignment or if he just really watched that play. Well,
Speaker 1: there's there's no point of talking about it now, there's
Speaker 1: not on it. But he you know, yeah, we're watching
Speaker 1: it here in the studio, but he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: for a while, like he's not even like you can't
Speaker 1: find the ball at all. And that's surprising because he's
Speaker 1: got pretty good awareness for the most part. Yeah, broke
Speaker 1: it down on Film Room yesterday on Dallas. Cow go
Speaker 1: check that out. Check it out. That there. Their calling
Speaker 1: card all year was as many hats to the ball
Speaker 1: as possible, and that was just that. I mean, it
Speaker 1: killed him on Saturday. So it's just crazy. He got
Speaker 1: washed out of so many plays. And I mean not
Speaker 1: that you know, the other team gets paid to their
Speaker 1: offensive line was great, but you just the way that
Speaker 1: they have characteristically played defense, it just wasn't there at all,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Um, going back to vander Esch
Speaker 1: making the Pro Bowl and the obviously the Cowboys coaching
Speaker 1: staff will be there right now, so I'll be there
Speaker 1: six players right now. But Zach Martin made it pretty
Speaker 1: clear that he was not going to be playing in
Speaker 1: that game. And I wonder who else might um, you know,
Speaker 1: pull out of that game. Maybe it's Tyren Smith. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't know this right now, But do you still get
Speaker 1: the like title or under even if you don't play? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if you are selected like they were and you
Speaker 1: choose not to play, then you are considered a Pro bowler.
Speaker 1: If Layton vander esh was injured and he was an
Speaker 1: alternate and then he declined it you do not play,
Speaker 1: they changed that rule. I remember one time Emmett Smith
Speaker 1: was on the golf course and got a call and like,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're gonna be You're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this week. You know, you're like the
Speaker 1: next alternate And he was like, uh no, I'm good
Speaker 1: and I'm not playing. But he got added as another
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and that they they've changed that rule just
Speaker 1: because because he took the phone call, which I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're if you are one of the three guys
Speaker 1: that gets the call in November, like you were that good,
Speaker 1: then you should be a Pro Bowler, no matter what exactly.
Speaker 1: But if you're you know, if you're like the third
Speaker 1: guy down the line and they call you, no, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a Pro Bowl. You have to go to Orlando.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good rule. Signed some autographs
Speaker 1: and yeah, Aaron Rodgers is one of the quarterbacks. He's
Speaker 1: not playing in and he was replaced by Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: who will be there. And then the other two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are Goffin Breeze. One of them is going to the
Speaker 1: one of them won't be one of them is going
Speaker 1: and I and are you making the case that down? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm making the case that he won't be. So don't
Speaker 1: get all excited because who had a better year statistically,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan Ryan, I bet Stafford's you know, numbers are better,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't I think you think, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Cousins probably has better stats. It's theoretically possible.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. And yeah, it's death selling a
Speaker 1: little short. I think there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: good chance that he would be the guy that gets
Speaker 1: the call. He might because I'm thinking about the rest
Speaker 1: of the NFC. I don't know Dal's other names, like
Speaker 1: you you mentioned Ryan, but I'm like, what what? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he did. And sometimes sometimes the statistics
Speaker 1: aren't ever anything, especially for quarterbacks. Sometimes the win loss
Speaker 1: record combined with the stats is kind of what matters
Speaker 1: a little bit more so who knows. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that New Orleans has Michael Thomas. If they win and
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, that that'll be a receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Cooper is kind of interesting because he's
Speaker 1: got numbers. If you look at his whole numbers, you know, crap,
Speaker 1: how wow? Why was about He's about to shock us
Speaker 1: with something? Just why wasn't Atlanta better this year? Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I am through for five thousand yards, thirty five touchdowns
Speaker 1: and seven picks the NFL. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: the call. He's going he's gonna get and Drew Brees
Speaker 1: I know in the NFL that's on leavable. I mean,
Speaker 1: and passing yards aren't everything, but that's they couldn't run
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, they couldn't play defense, no, I know,
Speaker 1: So here you go. That's how they were bad as
Speaker 1: they were you know, sorry, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be any more alternates. That's basically what I basically, I
Speaker 1: don't think Cooper is gonna gonna get there. I don't
Speaker 1: know the other receivers, but I'm sure there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys, a lot of catches. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Dak would be the one and Jalen Smith. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. There's not gonna be another linebacker
Speaker 1: not playing the game. That's six Pro Bowlers for ten
Speaker 1: and six team is not bad. It's not bad at all.
Speaker 1: Pretty Actually, it's really really good. In fact, they're they're
Speaker 1: probably second or third in the league. Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're behind the Rams in the Chiefs. That's about definitely,
Speaker 1: remember writing a story about six Pro Bowlers on a
Speaker 1: six win team. Definitely, as it happened. That's the power
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. So all right, well let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and change the subject a little bit. Last show, we
Speaker 1: discussed what Jason Garrett and Stephen Jones had said in
Speaker 1: regards to changes in the coaching staff. Since then, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones has had another interview with the fan and talked
Speaker 1: about basically saying his options are open and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's the one that makes the
Speaker 1: final decision, and that basically there's no rush at this
Speaker 1: moment to make those kinds of decisions. But since then, uh,
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo, he's expected to return, And I wanted to
Speaker 1: check out your impression to this. Are you guys pleased
Speaker 1: with this? He was a guy that made a huge
Speaker 1: change once he was promoted and what he was able
Speaker 1: to do the O line. You ever heard of that
Speaker 1: phrase power of the press? That that definitely happened with
Speaker 1: with Mark Colombo. I thought the way, um he there
Speaker 1: was a story written I'll just leave it at that
Speaker 1: about his links to other coaches and maybe he was
Speaker 1: going to go to another another team and he has
Speaker 1: a deal in a couple of days. Power of the press,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think that definitely played a
Speaker 1: factor into Hey, Mark Colombo could could go here. I mean,
Speaker 1: no one really knew that if that was the case.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did some calls, but I'm just saying, let's
Speaker 1: get that thing locked up before it goes anywhere. So
Speaker 1: I think I think that was you say, there's no
Speaker 1: no rush on certain things, some guys that there is,
Speaker 1: and I that was was one that probably plays a factor.
Speaker 1: But I think of it too in terms of, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I thought I thought he did a
Speaker 1: great job, Like there's no doubt the offensive line played better.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's got relationships in this building.
Speaker 1: He played, he was a great player here. He's been
Speaker 1: here for He's been in and around this team for
Speaker 1: the last decade. Now. I think Garrett loves him. I
Speaker 1: think the front office loves him. I know players love
Speaker 1: him and would especially compared to what was here before,
Speaker 1: love his style. And I think they want to prove
Speaker 1: themselves right that they like him, and so I think
Speaker 1: all those guys want to play really well for him.
Speaker 1: All that works. The other thing I thought about this too,
Speaker 1: is like I thought about the day Derek hired me
Speaker 1: to this job. I was unemployed. It was like a
Speaker 1: year and a half out of college. I had no money,
Speaker 1: and Derek called me and was like, well, this is
Speaker 1: what we can off And before he was even done time,
Speaker 1: I was like, yep, okay, yeah, I'll be there. And
Speaker 1: it's like, if you remember all this stuff we offered you,
Speaker 1: like I remember, don't even how much I'm gonna get paid.
Speaker 1: I remember being like that's those are low numbers. But whatever, Yep,
Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys. Cool and let's go. And if you
Speaker 1: offered me that now that I'm way more established, oh god, no,
Speaker 1: the word negotiation did not even enter into my mind.
Speaker 1: Which is my point is you know where Mark Colombo
Speaker 1: is in his career as a coach. He gets this job,
Speaker 1: you know, he's his first time being the old line coach.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, he loves this team, and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be our old line coach. Yep, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I mean I can imagine offer him before
Speaker 1: somebody else has a chance and give show him his
Speaker 1: value or yeah, and he's just getting started in his career.
Speaker 1: You know, five years from now, it's probably a totally
Speaker 1: different conversation. But expensive, baby, You're like, hey, we I
Speaker 1: mean Jerry Jones said it yesterday. He's like, I got
Speaker 1: I got a handful of guys that are out of contract.
Speaker 1: I gotta worry about them. First. They might have just
Speaker 1: looked at like this should be the easiest thing to
Speaker 1: get done. Whatever else is going to happen. We can
Speaker 1: take care of this in ten minutes, and we know
Speaker 1: we want him. That's the most important thing is we
Speaker 1: know we want him because of what he's like, what
Speaker 1: he's already done. Yeah, so I wasn't surprised. I thought
Speaker 1: it was smart. Yeah, yeah, way to go, way to
Speaker 1: all Right, Now, we've talked for a while also about
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and maybe him moving on from the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Clearly at this point that is not going to happen,
Speaker 1: you should say and expect ever since the team started
Speaker 1: getting rejuvenated, since Dad got here, seek and all of that,
Speaker 1: these changes since then in three years they've made it
Speaker 1: to the divisional round twice. Now overall, looking at the team,
Speaker 1: would you still say, as far as coaching and what
Speaker 1: needs to happen that the main problem or main change
Speaker 1: that needs to happen would be in the offensive coordinator spot.
Speaker 1: Other than that, do you feel good about what you have? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta remember this is a young team
Speaker 1: and I think they've done a nice job turning things around.
Speaker 1: I mean, Garrett, you know, the thing is is that
Speaker 1: if you want to take it back to ten years,
Speaker 1: if that's you know that that's people use that as
Speaker 1: a as a reason to say, well, he's not done good.
Speaker 1: You know, he's done a good job, because just take
Speaker 1: it back to the last ten years. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at this team and how they got better,
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody, somebody did a good job of coaching
Speaker 1: this team. But the offense isn't good. So the offense
Speaker 1: needs to be better and it need to be a
Speaker 1: more balanced team somehow. And I think that with Lenahan
Speaker 1: he was here to be with another quarterback, I think
Speaker 1: that there could be other options there. That's that's my take.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Jason Garrett, I don't look at the
Speaker 1: two wins in ten years in the playoffs. That's irrelevant
Speaker 1: to me. I mean that I don't. I don't. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything to me. Here's the thing I think about,
Speaker 1: and I think um in Jerry's interview yesterday, I don't
Speaker 1: think there was enough attention paid to this. One part
Speaker 1: of his interview where they mentioned him. They said something
Speaker 1: to the effect of we just wanted to get you
Speaker 1: on the record with this, and he said, WHOA. Let
Speaker 1: me let me stop you for a second. He said,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as on the record, because as
Speaker 1: soon as I hang up this phone, my opinion can change.
Speaker 1: He said, this time of the year, there are all
Speaker 1: sorts of options that become available to you, and based
Speaker 1: upon those options, your opinion changes. And he says that
Speaker 1: applies to coaches, that applies to players, that applies to everything.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying right now can change drastically based
Speaker 1: upon new opportunities that may be presented to me. I
Speaker 1: say all that to say, if you're going to talk
Speaker 1: about coaches, I think you always have to talk about
Speaker 1: If not them, then who, right, Because that's at least
Speaker 1: based upon that statement. That's at least how I think
Speaker 1: the owner is looking at this. He's thinking based upon
Speaker 1: the options. I saw those guys that were out there
Speaker 1: that were available as head coaches, oc as, whatever. I
Speaker 1: feel like my guys are right now better than that.
Speaker 1: So my question I would pose to people who say,
Speaker 1: give me another head coach, give me another OC my
Speaker 1: question is who and are they available? And right now
Speaker 1: I don't know that I can come up with those
Speaker 1: names to say this is a better option than what
Speaker 1: you already have, So get rid of that guy and
Speaker 1: put this guy in their place. That's a really great point.
Speaker 1: And for the record, on the record, on the record,
Speaker 1: those quotes were the centerpiece of the story I wrote
Speaker 1: about it. Yes, and yeah, that was a great job.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's getting enough press. I'm talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen everywhere his quote about Jason. If Jason were
Speaker 1: on the market, there'd be five job offers. Everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about that. Everybody missed the next part, and the next part,
Speaker 1: to me, was more important than what he said about that.
Speaker 1: That's I wish that I had. I wish that I
Speaker 1: had known you were gonna make that argument. I would
Speaker 1: have spent a little bit of time because you're right now,
Speaker 1: I don't have a list of guys. I don't and
Speaker 1: and we have enough season to this. We do have
Speaker 1: no we will believe, we do have a lot of shows.
Speaker 1: But like this will be settled within the next two weeks,
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna you know, they're not gonna wait till
Speaker 1: you will know the full poll. You're not gonna wait
Speaker 1: till March to hire a new coach, so or offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator or not. Yeah, And I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: the head coach is going anywhere. No, but I think
Speaker 1: I do think as far as offensive coordinates is concerned,
Speaker 1: I think there could be something if he gets an
Speaker 1: option that he likes well well, Jerry makes a great point,
Speaker 1: is like things can change. I mean, you know the
Speaker 1: Rams are gonna lose their quarterbacks coach to Cincinnati as
Speaker 1: soon as their playoff runs over, whenever that is, and
Speaker 1: you know he will hire staff and maybe somebody will
Speaker 1: be out of a job or so. I mean, he's right,
Speaker 1: and since that things can change, I thought it was
Speaker 1: smart on his part just to cover all of his basses,
Speaker 1: because basses, because nothing has to change based on that quote, either,
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say said? Do you all believe
Speaker 1: the statement about there would be five teams after ja
Speaker 1: I think there was some hyperse hyperbole there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I say five. I do think he could
Speaker 1: have gotten another job as well. I go back and
Speaker 1: forth because Adam Gas got high, right, if he can
Speaker 1: get hired, don't forget about I mean, and I've said
Speaker 1: this if kings before. I've never seen this in my life.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a coach get fired and hired for
Speaker 1: the exact same reason. I mean, I really believe that
Speaker 1: Texas Tech fired him and he had been struggling, but
Speaker 1: it's like they saw what what Mahomes was doing. It
Speaker 1: was like he didn't win with this guy. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: let's use basketball coach back in the nineties, and he
Speaker 1: didn't win with those guys. I mean, and the same
Speaker 1: thing too, by the way, But I also believe that
Speaker 1: he got hired because of what Mahomes was doing. Right, So, um,
Speaker 1: I if Kingsbury and gays can get can get jobs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's there's two molds of head
Speaker 1: and that's clearly the the hire of the year is
Speaker 1: like the young innovative guy who can bring the college
Speaker 1: concepts into the pro game and elevate the offense. That's
Speaker 1: what Cowboys fans want. And an offensive coordinator I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have a name for you who that would be.
Speaker 1: If you've got one, please tweeted at me. Um. But
Speaker 1: the other one is you know the you know, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's not that guy. And I mean, which is funny
Speaker 1: because he was hired as an offensive guru a decade ago.
Speaker 1: But if you're hiring him, I would hire him to
Speaker 1: clean out the knuckleheads and you know, more abundant franchise
Speaker 1: with a bad hockey. You know that all the rumors
Speaker 1: we've heard about the Jaguars and you know, their ownership
Speaker 1: had to have a meeting with Leonard Fournette because he
Speaker 1: quit on the team in the last week of the year.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett would go in and clean that up. And
Speaker 1: that's boring to Cowboys fans, but somebody somewhere would value that.
Speaker 1: They got great culture here. By the way, it's whatever
Speaker 1: you say about the team and what their win loss,
Speaker 1: because that doesn't necessarily always translate to win loss. But
Speaker 1: they have a great culture in that locker room. I
Speaker 1: will I will defend Jason Garrett's resume Monday to Saturday
Speaker 1: up against anybody. And again, I know fans don't necessarily
Speaker 1: want to hear that because it's about what happens on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But there are plenty of franchises in the NFL that
Speaker 1: would value that, so I could see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: at least a few, maybe not as many as five,
Speaker 1: but I think at least a few teams would be interested. Ironically,
Speaker 1: of all the guys that I hired this year is
Speaker 1: as as head coaches, there's only one, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that I was even like remotely interested in, Like, I
Speaker 1: think this guy's a really good head coach, and that's
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians. I think Bruce Arians is a vastly under
Speaker 1: head coach. You look at what he's done with the
Speaker 1: offenses he had in Pittsburgh and with Arizona. They were
Speaker 1: significantly better while he was running those those offenses, and
Speaker 1: they got significant shouldn't say significantly worse, because I don't
Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh got significantly worse. But Pittsburgh the year after
Speaker 1: he left, their offense I don't think was as explosive
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, what's up, Well, we're just continue
Speaker 1: that whole conversation about you know, names and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get into that, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead of my own means, No, we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't want to create rumors by stuff that's unsubstantial. And
Speaker 1: I think it's if you just said, well, I want
Speaker 1: this young college type of offensive coordinator or something like that,
Speaker 1: that's not the same for everybody. That's not the same
Speaker 1: for every team. But when you look at what dak
Speaker 1: strengths are, and I think that he does need to
Speaker 1: run more. They need to utilize his athleticism more into
Speaker 1: the offense that a aspects of a college type of
Speaker 1: offense would be good here. And I thought about that
Speaker 1: when we were doing the show on Mondays. I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder what Dak's opinion about all of this is. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's too smart to throw people under the
Speaker 1: bus publicly, but I wonder how he feels about the
Speaker 1: offense basically, and whether he's being utilized correctly and whether
Speaker 1: he's being put in a position to succeed. I think
Speaker 1: we would all agree at you know, I think we
Speaker 1: would all agree that he had a hand in Dez's departure,
Speaker 1: you know, not that he's pulling the strings. But I
Speaker 1: just refuse to believe he wasn't consulted about the decision
Speaker 1: to release the number one receiver on the team. So
Speaker 1: how does he feel about that? Like, is he frustrated
Speaker 1: by what is going on in the offense? And I don't,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm just now I thought of
Speaker 1: the same thing. Whether he's having conversations with Jerry or
Speaker 1: Jerry go and say, okay, let's meet up real quick. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm planning on making you my one hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: man what do you think we need that I would
Speaker 1: do that if I was going to sink that kind
Speaker 1: of money into the guy. Yeah, but I think the
Speaker 1: the only issue with that is I think what I
Speaker 1: think I know of Dak is that Dak wouldn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: say anything to disparage his head coach to the owner.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Um, And so it may not be Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, but I don't think he would say
Speaker 1: it's strong enough to where it would influence Jerry to
Speaker 1: necessarily make a move. Right. What I would be more
Speaker 1: interested in is when Dak is with his best friend,
Speaker 1: when Dak is with family, when Dak is with his
Speaker 1: lady friend, whatever, what is he What is he saying?
Speaker 1: Then it's not really old? And that that to me
Speaker 1: is what because I don't know if he has a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: But that to me is way more important because that's
Speaker 1: when you're more candid about what you really feel, when
Speaker 1: you go home at night after that game and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish this, or man, they should have done this.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know because that tells me
Speaker 1: a lot more about what he believes of this offense
Speaker 1: and this coordinator and this head coach. The other day,
Speaker 1: y'all mentioned, oh, when this time comes, like everyone gets
Speaker 1: their knives out and fight for themselves. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're fighting and like making a reasoning as to why
Speaker 1: you're not as good, you know, because it's also on
Speaker 1: that like he hasn't been great, So that also changes
Speaker 1: the image of him. Now if he goes in there
Speaker 1: and says, Okay, yes, I feel this way, that maybe
Speaker 1: you know the right calls are being called or this,
Speaker 1: and that, then that also helps fight for his money.
Speaker 1: Jerry would have to do a really good job of
Speaker 1: asking him the right questions, very pointed questions that would
Speaker 1: give him direct answers that doesn't say your coach is wrong,
Speaker 1: but gives him the answer that he's looking for about
Speaker 1: specific moments in games, this particular moment, what did you
Speaker 1: think of this? And get his ohoverall opinion, and that
Speaker 1: he might tell him something to the effect of, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought we probably should have tried this, or I
Speaker 1: did notice this earlier in the game. I thought it
Speaker 1: would have been a great time to do this. Right,
Speaker 1: those kind of answers where he didn't have to throw
Speaker 1: him under the bus. But at the same time, Jerry
Speaker 1: gets what he wants right. Dack's best two throws of
Speaker 1: the year throws, I mean the Beasley throw. I know
Speaker 1: it didn't I know the game didn't matter, but I
Speaker 1: think that's the best throw of his entire career. I
Speaker 1: think that Cooper throw this last game was a heck
Speaker 1: of a throw. Which one was that the one for
Speaker 1: the touchdown? Did not Cooper gallery the gallop throw, just
Speaker 1: the gallup co and y'all would say those two, those
Speaker 1: are the two that I was thinking because he was
Speaker 1: on the moves. On the move he's on to the
Speaker 1: left means he's got an arm that can throw. It
Speaker 1: means he's got an arm. Um. You think they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep that in not as funny? Yeah, no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about dak by the way, if anyone's talking about it,
Speaker 1: you know, for six years down the road or just no.
Speaker 1: I mean I said it more times than I can count.
Speaker 1: But he and and they're not carving copies. Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: more athletic than he is, but like he he reminds
Speaker 1: me of Russell Wilson. And like Russell Wilson can hang
Speaker 1: in the pocket and make great throws. But he's at
Speaker 1: his best when he's on the move and either improvising
Speaker 1: or using his athleticism to make play. Yeah, in casey too,
Speaker 1: and that's actually he is in the pocket. He's way
Speaker 1: better when he gets outside the pocket. Robert May's who
Speaker 1: he is. Well, yeah, I mean I don't like. I
Speaker 1: don't like to compare him to Mahomes is a prototype.
Speaker 1: He broke the prototype. Yeah, whereas it's I can catch
Speaker 1: his pass. He's definitely a receiver for a night. You've
Speaker 1: caught his pass? Yes, check his pen tweet on his Twitter. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I missed that. You haven't seen him on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: don't follow you, Baylor Texas text four years ago. Can't.
Speaker 1: Where does that? I think us Russ is a more
Speaker 1: fair comparison because I get he's short. He was a
Speaker 1: third round pick. He's not you know, Mahomes is this
Speaker 1: top ten pick with the cannon arm um? Where was
Speaker 1: that going with that? Guys, just that are on the
Speaker 1: move and that he's beyond the move. That's really what
Speaker 1: my point was is. I do think they need to
Speaker 1: get him out of the pocket a little bit more
Speaker 1: and doing that, And also we did see more passes
Speaker 1: over the middle later in the year. It seemed like
Speaker 1: with Cooper. When Cooper got on there and he said
Speaker 1: that one of the games, I guess I think it
Speaker 1: was Seattle and he was I immediately thought of Dez.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was thinking that way, but the
Speaker 1: way he answered it was what why Cooper's goods? He
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, I got a guy in
Speaker 1: here that could run routes, he can run round and
Speaker 1: and I just thought, wow, you know, like you never
Speaker 1: had that before. Is that what you're saying? But that's
Speaker 1: just being like cynical, don't say what he was saying,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was really saying, this guy can
Speaker 1: run routes and understands the offense, and you know he's
Speaker 1: here for six a lot in that statement. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's and and Dens was never that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's we know that route running wasn't his best thing,
Speaker 1: and the grasp of the offense, even after eight or
Speaker 1: nine years, wasn't his his you know strength, he would
Speaker 1: go up and get the football. And when those skills
Speaker 1: diminished to the point where he wasn't just out athleting
Speaker 1: people all the time, then like that word athleting out athlete,
Speaker 1: that's I remember. It always would tweet that I'm just
Speaker 1: better than you. Like that's what des would go up
Speaker 1: and just make it I'm just better than you type
Speaker 1: of play against the Saints a Cup a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and it was just going off on. You know, I remember, Um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a ring Desmond, Yeah, he probably is.
Speaker 1: I It's it's very deep in here. My my friend
Speaker 1: Robert Mays who works for The Ringer, wrote an interesting
Speaker 1: story for them this morning about, um, the Cowboys season,
Speaker 1: and I mean the theme of the story is basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: the run to ten and six was a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: but did it set the Cowboys back in terms of
Speaker 1: a lot of fans that think, yeah, no apps and
Speaker 1: and and it's I think it's a very fair article.
Speaker 1: I would encourage anybody to go read it. Um. But
Speaker 1: he made some interesting points about Dak and DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett, Uh just kind of talk about we
Speaker 1: were what we were talking about is where do you
Speaker 1: go from here? There were some guys on the fan,
Speaker 1: Yes I think it's been in skin and they were
Speaker 1: talking about a similar thing and their argument was, um,
Speaker 1: when when a team, when this team has had this
Speaker 1: kind of success, Um, their their contention was they tend
Speaker 1: to get a little more conservative because they say, we're
Speaker 1: so close, don't change anything, like, don't don't make the
Speaker 1: big change. You can't take a step backwards to take
Speaker 1: two steps forward. You just stick with what you're doing
Speaker 1: because you're so close, as opposed to, hey, we're this close,
Speaker 1: let's get aggressive and really do something that we think
Speaker 1: can shake it up and take us over the top.
Speaker 1: And and their contention was they tend to be the
Speaker 1: more conservative of that, and because of that, that was
Speaker 1: their belief as to why this team hasn't been able
Speaker 1: to push above that say about but are we talking
Speaker 1: about coaches? I think because they were talking about coaches,
Speaker 1: So yes, that's I think that's really what they need
Speaker 1: to be said, or whoever is talking about that needs
Speaker 1: to be saying, is about the coaches. Because this Jerry
Speaker 1: has shown that when he feels like his team is
Speaker 1: young and he's right there, he'll take chances personnel wise.
Speaker 1: You know, when he thought that team was young, TiO
Speaker 1: could help them, He thought Charles Hayley could help them.
Speaker 1: He even thought in two thousand and eight, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've got such a good team that the pac Man
Speaker 1: Jones and Taint Johnson's of the world can help. He
Speaker 1: gets aggressive personnel wise, but not what they're saying about coaching.
Speaker 1: But take I mean, there's a reason why you get
Speaker 1: an extra mini camp in the off season when you
Speaker 1: have a new coach. It's because you're kind of starting backwards,
Speaker 1: and I mean you got to start over again. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that would make sense to do that,
Speaker 1: But think about the flip side of that. They were
Speaker 1: at three and five this year and what did they do.
Speaker 1: One of the changes they made was they changed their
Speaker 1: position coach, and that doesn't happen very often in the season.
Speaker 1: I would suspect if they were five and three, they
Speaker 1: would not have done that. And so it's like, if
Speaker 1: you can do that in moments when things are desperate,
Speaker 1: then maybe you should consider it sometimes when things are
Speaker 1: going really well, if you still see this one area
Speaker 1: that if you change this one area, if you can
Speaker 1: get more production out of this one area, yeah, maybe again,
Speaker 1: maybe you do have to take that's back. But we
Speaker 1: sound like arguing. But I think four people it would
Speaker 1: would say that they need a new offensive coordinator. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to speak for anyone. I'm saying it.
Speaker 1: I think you need an offensive order. So if that's
Speaker 1: what we're saying, yes, I agree in this instance you
Speaker 1: think this, actually absolutely, I said it after the game.
Speaker 1: When's the last time a team went to the divisional
Speaker 1: round and both coordinators would be changed? I think both
Speaker 1: coordinators will be changed. Honestly, Well, let's move on to
Speaker 1: let's move on to that. I'm not not on that.
Speaker 1: You don't That wasn't me. I'm not on that. You
Speaker 1: don't have to. Don't hurt me, Rod, Right, you don't
Speaker 1: have to, you don't hurt me. All I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is that I would keep I mean, I have it.
Speaker 1: What would you do? Flip? Do you? Can you really
Speaker 1: do that? Where you will? You just say, Rod, you're
Speaker 1: no longer the defensive coordinator. Now you are just the
Speaker 1: defensive line coach and run game. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's not my first conversation. My first conversation was with Richard.
Speaker 1: I'm not to say what. Well, let's talk, I mean,
Speaker 1: what what what works for you right now in this situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's assume he says I want to be the DC.
Speaker 1: I'm that helps me get closer to being a head
Speaker 1: coach Ad Jerry. Wow, if I'm Jerry, you are the DC.
Speaker 1: That's my first conversation. Okay, then I'm moving on to Rod.
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna say to Rod? He's the DC,
Speaker 1: so pick a choice, Like there are a lot of
Speaker 1: titles out there, what do you want? You also say,
Speaker 1: you said two weeks ago you do whatever it took
Speaker 1: to keep christ Rah Shard in Dallas. This is what
Speaker 1: it took. What it took I mean, and I honestly
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that. I'm not sure if that all
Speaker 1: played out like that, and I think there probably should
Speaker 1: be a little bit more tactful way of doing. But
Speaker 1: but but I do think if all that came about,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think that Marinell is so
Speaker 1: caught up on himself and his own ego that he
Speaker 1: would say I wouldn't give up the DC title and
Speaker 1: and not be here just to not just to prove
Speaker 1: a point. Yeah, let me let me backtrack on that
Speaker 1: a little bit, because that we're being you know, facetious here.
Speaker 1: I do think you need to keep Chris Richard. I
Speaker 1: want to keep him happy. And Rod Marinelli should understand
Speaker 1: that because that's kind of what they did we talked
Speaker 1: about that's what they did when Kiffin was the guy
Speaker 1: and all that, not pushing out and outstanding defensive coach
Speaker 1: out the door. I think he can work together here.
Speaker 1: There's different titles. We see it passing game coordinators, assistant
Speaker 1: head coach. Maybe Marinelli's the assistant head coach. There's different
Speaker 1: ways to do you think that if that was to happen,
Speaker 1: that affects their relationship? You don't think so. That's a
Speaker 1: good question, But I do not think so. I'm not
Speaker 1: think that. Yeah, I don't think that. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about it. For two, I could not be less worried
Speaker 1: about it. One. Rod Marinelli has proven himself to be
Speaker 1: a pretty selfless guy, and like Ego ruined so many
Speaker 1: relationships among the football coaches, it doesn't seem to be there.
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus called the plays for this defense last year
Speaker 1: like he's made it, Like he's not He's not the
Speaker 1: guy that has to get the credit like that. Clearly,
Speaker 1: that seems very clear to head coach and Joe Eberflus, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no date interview he got. I think he interviewed in
Speaker 1: Cleveland maybe, uh, and Chris, he'll get there. He'll then
Speaker 1: he's definitely Chris Rashard has been doing it this year,
Speaker 1: like nobody's really tried to keep it a secret. Like
Speaker 1: I think Rod Marinelli just wants to coach be he
Speaker 1: wants to be in a football environment and coach defenders,
Speaker 1: specifically pass rushers, Like that's his That's like why he
Speaker 1: gets out of bed in the morning. And I think
Speaker 1: if phelip min is what he's yeah, and if he
Speaker 1: gets to do that, I don't think he really cares.
Speaker 1: And and you know, you can, you can give somebody
Speaker 1: a title or tweak some titles. Also the other thing,
Speaker 1: you know, not trying to be mean. I think the
Speaker 1: world of him. Chris Rashard doesn't have leverage anymore. Like
Speaker 1: the jobs he was interviewing for are filled, so the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't have to do anything. They don't have to
Speaker 1: do anything. Well well maybe, I mean if one of
Speaker 1: these jobs is an opportunity, then you might have to
Speaker 1: worry about that, right, But maybe I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: it does. That hiring cycle is over. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking like it's almost February in college, like you're about
Speaker 1: to start playing spring ball. Yeah, so I mean maybe,
Speaker 1: but but I think I think, out of respect for
Speaker 1: him and appreciation of everything he's done, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys want to do right by him. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: the coach the head coaching jobs that he was up
Speaker 1: for have been filled so that most of his leverage
Speaker 1: has gone to no calendar offer here, Noah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and where to be a DC. No, the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: have to less something. Unless something falls through with the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: then that's probably done. So. But that's also the interesting
Speaker 1: part about this is you can you can say that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the leverage, but you also don't want
Speaker 1: to create bad will with him, because right bad will
Speaker 1: then it becomes a situation where as soon as he
Speaker 1: is available to leave, it's almost impossible to keep. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think Jerry's going to take care of him.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be effortless. It seems like him
Speaker 1: and him and Marinelli appear to have a really great relationship,
Speaker 1: and I just it's not something that I'm going to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time worrying about. I mean, we
Speaker 1: talk about titles all the time, about any new GM
Speaker 1: or whatever. People say that you know, and I think
Speaker 1: everyone one knows who the acting GM on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis is. I mean, yes, Jerry does his stuff,
Speaker 1: but Will McClay is, you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: right hand man with him and to him and Stephen,
Speaker 1: So they they they figure out ways to like massage titles.
Speaker 1: What's his title, Chris Richard? Uh, it's passing defensive backs
Speaker 1: coach and passing game quassa specifically cornerbacks coach because Greg okay,
Speaker 1: he's the passing game coordinator. We've seen the everyone's seen
Speaker 1: the clip. What's the safety? Everyone has seen the clip
Speaker 1: of him going off on Sean Lee and Layton Vanderesh.
Speaker 1: What do you think he's talking about? What was killing
Speaker 1: the team? Was? It was it past defense? Right? So
Speaker 1: just by that you can kind of see who the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator really is. I mean he was he was
Speaker 1: going off on two linebackers about the way that they're
Speaker 1: playing the run that hadn't given up a pass. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's really clear that he's the
Speaker 1: you know, defensive coordinator and he it was calling plays
Speaker 1: at the time. In two or three weeks, Cowboys pr
Speaker 1: is gonna send out an email and christ Shard's gonna
Speaker 1: have a new title under his name, and they're not
Speaker 1: going to tell us anything about his contract terms. But
Speaker 1: well then somebody two three weeks, Yeah, when's the story
Speaker 1: break like tomorrow? Well yes, good point, the story will
Speaker 1: break while you're in Orlando and then the email will
Speaker 1: come out of two or three weeks. That that video
Speaker 1: the showing right now, he's addressing the entire defense, like
Speaker 1: on the sideline, He's addressing the entire defense, and that
Speaker 1: would be in the That was not the Arizona I
Speaker 1: mean that was Rod. Looked Rod was on the bench,
Speaker 1: looked like he had the grease board. He was probably
Speaker 1: talking to the past Rush sixty five. I don't know, Ringo. No,
Speaker 1: that clip was probably while a game. That was not
Speaker 1: definitely was who's the guy with the dress? I saw
Speaker 1: a team in the background. It looked like they had
Speaker 1: on red jersey, but I don't know. It wasn't Rams.
Speaker 1: That clip was clearly at and T Stadium. Any any
Speaker 1: chances there were cuss boards in there? I don't know
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe he was just saying, I love what
Speaker 1: we're doing today, guys, but we could be doing it better.
Speaker 1: Come get a hug after the game. I just I
Speaker 1: don't I don't worry about that at all. I Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just dropped one. Yeah there, you gotta go that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't worry. I think that's water really well, day
Speaker 1: or ade whatever. Let's go ahead and take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, let's figure out what else we
Speaker 1: can talk about, because I don't know if we'll be
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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. It's okay, all right, thank you, Nick. We've
Speaker 1: made an executive decision to push back the whole free
Speaker 1: agency talk and free agent list, so we'll need a
Speaker 1: whole show for that. Wait that next week. We probably
Speaker 1: need a few weeks of shows for that. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: do that later on in the meantime. From Ray Thomas Done. Hello,
Speaker 1: Hello guys, Hello man. All right, Um, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: christ By Shards the defensive coordinator, but it needs to
Speaker 1: be his system. I mean I wanted to change his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Nikki're right, there's nothing wrong with fresh respective.
Speaker 1: I mean, just bringing everybody back and doing the same
Speaker 1: isn't working. There's nothing wrong with change. I was kind
Speaker 1: of disappointed you You you talk about Jerry's radio show.
Speaker 1: He also he dismissed the rams notion that they knew
Speaker 1: it was coming, basically blamed it on footwear. Really, four
Speaker 1: quarters and you had a problem with footwear, Who's who's
Speaker 1: responsible for that? That's the coach. If if they knew
Speaker 1: to see, if they if his rams are right and
Speaker 1: they knew what was coming, that's coaching. So now if
Speaker 1: we don't know, there's other reasons that Garrett's the head
Speaker 1: coach here now. Be to be fair, we don't know
Speaker 1: how good better he could be on a different under
Speaker 1: different climate, in a different environment on another team. So
Speaker 1: there's that. But my biggest issue was this offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: position and just saying I mean, it was kind of
Speaker 1: funny he says there's no change, just Garret did. And
Speaker 1: then here he comes the real people in charge, like Steve,
Speaker 1: you know, like Steven say, well that's too early. I mean,
Speaker 1: something has to change. I mean just saying, oh, we
Speaker 1: just bring everybody back and doing the same. It hasn't
Speaker 1: It hasn't worked right, right me just ask you this,
Speaker 1: And it's been a while since you've called, so it's
Speaker 1: good to hear your voice again, But um, can you
Speaker 1: do if Jason Garrett has a couple of guys in mind,
Speaker 1: then they may make a change. They're they're thinking that out.
Speaker 1: And he gets a radio show and he says, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do at the offensive coordinator? And you're
Speaker 1: still a ways away from making that. He did not
Speaker 1: say that Scott Linehan's coming back. He's saying, right now,
Speaker 1: we don't anticipate any changes right now, we don't anticipate
Speaker 1: any changes. But what else can he say at that moment?
Speaker 1: Steven answered it differently, but I'm I don't think he said, oh, definitely,
Speaker 1: Scott's coming back. He was amazing. He said, well, right now,
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that. He had to give himself some ounts.
Speaker 1: You're You're right, I'm not saying that that's what was
Speaker 1: he said that was going to be the issue here.
Speaker 1: But I just kind of hope there is a change.
Speaker 1: Nothing against sky Linehan, but there's nothing wrong with fresh perspective.
Speaker 1: Your point is just you want to see a change,
Speaker 1: boss of what everybody saying. You want to see a change.
Speaker 1: That's the point, right, And you're so many people with
Speaker 1: a different system. I mean, you say you said, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Mike McCarthy would come in here as
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. I don't know, but if he, if
Speaker 1: he hypothetically, if he was developing, he would take the job.
Speaker 1: He's an upgrade. I'm sorry, he's an upgrade. Whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say about this coaching style at Green Bay,
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade. He has skins on the wall. It's
Speaker 1: a different system. Or whoever you want to bring in here.
Speaker 1: Just get a bit of different set of assist the
Speaker 1: different system in here as far as you know. Because Dak,
Speaker 1: Dak's best game was a Jaguars game, rpo him to death. Teams.
Speaker 1: He's a solid quarterback. He's never gonna be the kind
Speaker 1: of guy. Did you want to throw it about forty
Speaker 1: or fifty times? And that's basically what the RAM said.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Dak, if you can beat this passion, go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it. The problem with the problem was
Speaker 1: we didn't. In my view, we're having been using Dak
Speaker 1: to his best, to his best potential. All right. We
Speaker 1: appreciate the call, and I agree with everything he said.
Speaker 1: I can't think of one thing he said that's every
Speaker 1: one thing. Go ahead, because I don't I personally don't
Speaker 1: think that it's hard for me to see a scenario
Speaker 1: where Mike McCartney is a great fit. And the reason
Speaker 1: why is because if you're saying that, if you're saying
Speaker 1: that this offense or that the offense needs to be
Speaker 1: catered to Dak, guess what, that's not what Mike McCarty
Speaker 1: has been doing for the last however many years, Like
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with a quarterback that can take you
Speaker 1: apart with his arm. That's not what Dak's strength is.
Speaker 1: So to me, if you're going to change out the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, I think you want to be looking for
Speaker 1: someone who is called an offense whether the skill of
Speaker 1: the quarterback are very different than the skills of the
Speaker 1: quarterback that McCarthy's been dealing with in Green Bay. That
Speaker 1: says nothing about Mike McCarthy as a coach. Oh well,
Speaker 1: great coach. I just think you got to find somebody
Speaker 1: that fits for this quarterback if you're gonna make that change.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything y'all just said. I agree with
Speaker 1: Ray's overall point, but it's the classic case of like
Speaker 1: one man's trash being another man's treasure, because go check
Speaker 1: in with what people in Green Bay think about that
Speaker 1: offense and how much they underachieved with what I think
Speaker 1: most people would agree is the best quarterback in football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I can't say he's a definite upgrade, and
Speaker 1: I certainly don't think he's the right guy to work
Speaker 1: with a twenty five year old mobile quarterback. He's made
Speaker 1: it clear he's taking the year off, He's probably got
Speaker 1: another year on that contract, and he's getting paid for it.
Speaker 1: You know that happens a lot. You get fired and
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, you're still gonna pay unless you
Speaker 1: get the right opportunity. Right, that's the whole thing. It
Speaker 1: has to be the perfect opportunity. You might as well
Speaker 1: just sit out right. I mentioned I mentioned that story
Speaker 1: from The Ringer this morning earlier, and I remember one
Speaker 1: of the stats from it was that, according to next
Speaker 1: Gen stats, Zeke Zeke was run right into an eight
Speaker 1: or more man box on like forty or forty one
Speaker 1: percent of his carries against the rams. They were just
Speaker 1: charging right into a load of fix is. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're saying it wasn't running outside, it was running between
Speaker 1: the tackles, right, forty one percent of the time right
Speaker 1: against an eight man box, right, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it goes goes back to what we said on Mondays.
Speaker 1: You could you could call it stubbornness or arrogance, whichever
Speaker 1: word you prefer. I think they're kind of similar there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think there's a philosophical disconnect between
Speaker 1: what these guys want to call and what might actually work.
Speaker 1: You know what I'd want to know, and I'd want
Speaker 1: to know throughout the season, particularly in games as they won,
Speaker 1: how often they did that and how often and this
Speaker 1: is gonna did with this would take a ton of research,
Speaker 1: but how often they did that in the second half
Speaker 1: and it worked in games where in the first half
Speaker 1: it didn't. Because Yeah, the reason why I'm saying that
Speaker 1: is because when you start thinking about it from that perspective,
Speaker 1: you call plays based upon history, you call plays based
Speaker 1: upon I know, let's say, for example, that that played
Speaker 1: out like that that this season when they won games
Speaker 1: in the first half, they do it, and they would stop, stop, stop,
Speaker 1: stop stop. By the second half, that turned into a
Speaker 1: four yard run, they turned into an eight yard run,
Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. And so in the play
Speaker 1: call is mine, he's thinking, you just gotta stay consistent
Speaker 1: with it, because that no over time it works. That
Speaker 1: is like a philosophical debate. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: answer it. Like analytics people, that's their nightmare. And then
Speaker 1: there's the old school football coaches who are like, this works,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it work for the Cowboys a million times.
Speaker 1: We've also seen situations like the Seattle game. Literally, I
Speaker 1: mean the Seahawks one who established the run too. Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll's the only guy in the league who's as obsessed
Speaker 1: with the run as the Cowboys are. And the front
Speaker 1: super Bowl on well, good point, but they rammed their
Speaker 1: faces into a brick wall forty times in that game
Speaker 1: when Russ I mean, let's be honest, Russell Wilson was
Speaker 1: killing them when he was throwing the ball and they're
Speaker 1: just like, no, nah, that's okay because it's gonna pop eventually.
Speaker 1: And it never popped. And that's the risk you run
Speaker 1: when you're committed to that. And it works when you're
Speaker 1: Seattle in Week three and the opposing offense is so
Speaker 1: inept that you can average to two point nine yards
Speaker 1: per carry and it doesn't matter. It's not always going
Speaker 1: to work. Definitely not when you're playing a thirteen and
Speaker 1: three team with a great offense, and by the way
Speaker 1: a team that's took two weeks, by the way, they
Speaker 1: didn't play, so they had two weeks to really look
Speaker 1: at everything you do and to be able to say,
Speaker 1: here's how we want to think we can attack that.
Speaker 1: It beat that. I don't want to give the Cowboys
Speaker 1: a pass for all the stuff that came out of
Speaker 1: the Rams locker room about you know, there's you don't
Speaker 1: want to be predictable, and I get that, and you
Speaker 1: can coach that better. I think I think NFL teams
Speaker 1: are really good at this though. I think that's pretty normal.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's pretty normal to like, you know,
Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin talked about it after the first Cowboys game.
Speaker 1: He's like, we've got two guys whose jobs it is
Speaker 1: to just watch the opposing sideline and figure out their signals,
Speaker 1: and usually by the second half, we've got a pretty
Speaker 1: good read on it. Like that's that's part of the game.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you give a team two weeks
Speaker 1: to be able to look at film, they'll find probably
Speaker 1: a lot more. And that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I think that when you when you talk about coaches
Speaker 1: that are innovative and know how to create different kinds
Speaker 1: of game plans. I think those coaches are even better
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I think that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why Belichick has had so much success in the postseason
Speaker 1: is because when you give them two weeks to be
Speaker 1: able to prepare for an opponent, their ability to be
Speaker 1: able to come up with a game plan that's custom
Speaker 1: built for this particular opponent. You think about the Rams,
Speaker 1: they did everything that they typically don't do in that game,
Speaker 1: and I would suspect the reason that they did it
Speaker 1: is because as they were looking through and really taking
Speaker 1: time to dive into the Cowboys, they saw some things
Speaker 1: that say, we can exploit this, We can exploit that
Speaker 1: running game. Maybe they went back and looked at that
Speaker 1: Indianapolis game and said, we see some things here that
Speaker 1: even though running isn't necessarily the top priority of what
Speaker 1: we do, we can we can have a lot of
Speaker 1: success there. Again, don't understand why it hasn't really been mentioned,
Speaker 1: but Suaphilo, like was he hurt? You know, like why
Speaker 1: didn't he play? Because they ran the ball better with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, they ran the ball better during the season
Speaker 1: when Suaphilo was in there healthy. Now, if he wasn't
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But he was what he was active.
Speaker 1: I just I know he was active, but I just assume,
Speaker 1: but was the like good enough to be playing the
Speaker 1: whole game? Well, and that's the same like you could
Speaker 1: have him active as a backup in case of emergency,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, That's that's what I'm saying. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm curious to see because you know, they you know,
Speaker 1: it's very convenient, and I'm sure you play your best
Speaker 1: players in the playoffs. I get it, but it's very
Speaker 1: convenient now going into the season. You know, who would
Speaker 1: they want? They want their second round pick to be
Speaker 1: a starter. That's that's why you drafted him. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Suaphilo was was better when he was healthy. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see how this whole thing is gonna play out.
Speaker 1: Yeah there, because what if Frederick does come back and
Speaker 1: and Jason made some pretty you know, there's something comments
Speaker 1: there about how he's getting better and he's starting to
Speaker 1: get his strength back a little bit, So that's good
Speaker 1: signs for Frederick Looney. There are conversations to be had
Speaker 1: about what that offensive line is going to look like
Speaker 1: next year. Looney needs to be in contention for starting position.
Speaker 1: If if Suaphilo and h Connor and they're all going
Speaker 1: to be battling for guard, Joe Looney needs to be
Speaker 1: battling for guard in my opinion. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he will. I know nothing. I one percent could
Speaker 1: be wrong, and I'll admit it right here if I am.
Speaker 1: But like I just we're gonna we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams's viability as a tackackle before before it's all
Speaker 1: said and done. And I think you should, especially if
Speaker 1: if Frederick comes back and now you really are thinking
Speaker 1: about Looney at guard, I think you absolutely should. Wasn't
Speaker 1: there a guard also that the Cowboys put on Iry
Speaker 1: Marcus Marcus Martin, But I believe he's up. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: free agent ANC one more but we can't, which I
Speaker 1: think that's that was great. But on the other topic
Speaker 1: of coaching and scouting, the opposition to Jerry Jones, he
Speaker 1: made a good point but I kind of thought it
Speaker 1: was a damning point too in that interview because he
Speaker 1: said he was like, well, in ninety three or you know,
Speaker 1: after we won one of the Super Bowls, I went
Speaker 1: to the competition committee meetings, and everybody that we played
Speaker 1: was like we knew exactly what you were doing, Like
Speaker 1: we scouted everything, we knew based on how you lined up,
Speaker 1: You're gonna do this. You can do that. We just
Speaker 1: couldn't stop you anyway, and that's great, which proves the
Speaker 1: point is, you know teams are going to do that
Speaker 1: and it won't necessarily stop you from executing. But it's
Speaker 1: not nineteen ninety two anymore, and you're probably not going
Speaker 1: to have that much of a talent edge in today's NFL,
Speaker 1: especially when you get to the playoffs, and that is
Speaker 1: why coaching matters. There, you go, well, we're about to
Speaker 1: end our show, but just to finalize it in real quick.
Speaker 1: I hopefully this doesn't take too long, but let's give
Speaker 1: some predictions. We're out of the run. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that we're gonna stop watching football this weekend or
Speaker 1: the following weekend. So this weekend, New England versus Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Who are you pigging rooting interests? I'm rooting for Kansas City. Kansas,
Speaker 1: Nick are you picking? I'm rooting for Kansas City. It's
Speaker 1: all the same at this point, I'm rooting for Kansas.
Speaker 1: No one cares about who you're rooting for you're rooting
Speaker 1: for Texas. Who are you going to win? And I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting Okay, here's the deal. I don't watch those
Speaker 1: teams enough to be able to give a prediction, So
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Kansas City. Yeah, well there you go, cheeze,
Speaker 1: all right, Kansas City. Um, he's a better football team
Speaker 1: and they'll win at home. I mean, it's their year,
Speaker 1: and I think the better football teams all year have
Speaker 1: been Kansas City and in New Orleans. You think, well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna affect them. Who either one both? They both
Speaker 1: got to play in it. No, zero degrees. Nothing would
Speaker 1: make me happier than a Saints Chiefs Super Bowl. It would.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a football fan, it would be exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm from New Orleans. I would love to see the
Speaker 1: Saints win. First. The Patriots are just like they're a dragon.
Speaker 1: I'll believe that they're gone when they're gone, because they've
Speaker 1: been in the last two. They've been in four of
Speaker 1: the last five. Andy Reid has a bad I mean
Speaker 1: I know he won, they won last week, good for them,
Speaker 1: but he's got a bad record in the playoffs, bad
Speaker 1: record in big moments. I think the Pats will find
Speaker 1: a way to win. And honestly, this might just be
Speaker 1: my natural pessimism, but I want the Saints to win,
Speaker 1: and they played a close game with the Rams. I
Speaker 1: just I think it's going to be a Patriots Rams
Speaker 1: super Bowl. You know, the Saints to take out the Rams. Actually,
Speaker 1: my rooting interested with the Rams. I'm really rooting fills
Speaker 1: two teams because I think a rematch at that game
Speaker 1: earlier this season, Rams Chiefs will be fun on a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Honestly, you can't the Saints Chiefs would be.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Saints beat the Rams at that same game,
Speaker 1: so they could play that same time. I can't, I
Speaker 1: get you, but I think it'll be a different game.
Speaker 1: I think it would be a little lower score game
Speaker 1: because I do think the Saints have a much better
Speaker 1: defense than the Chiefs. To true, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: a much more wide open, pass happy The defenses will
Speaker 1: make some plays and like they did in that first game,
Speaker 1: there'll maybe some defensive scores. But I just think it'll
Speaker 1: be a wide open game. It'll be back and forth.
Speaker 1: I think the Saints, if they're there, I think their
Speaker 1: defense will be a lot better than I don't think
Speaker 1: you can go wrong. So there's four possible Super Bowls, right,
Speaker 1: I think they would all be great. I think radio
Speaker 1: ratings are good. Yeah, you got you got teams in
Speaker 1: here that are all good teams, no doubt about it. Well,
Speaker 1: you have the one two in both conferences, right, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the MVP of the league, whoever that is.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the Offensive Player of the year, whoever
Speaker 1: that is. And you're gonna have the defensive player of
Speaker 1: the year. I mean you have them right now, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Now, this is objectively, this is as
Speaker 1: good as a championship Sunday has been in a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking forward to watching. It can be fun
Speaker 1: even though we're not in it. One day show one day,
Speaker 1: I just saw some news come out that Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: just had another bait. Well he did, just had a
Speaker 1: new bat. Yeah, Jovi Carter Beasley, that's their third. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even realized she was again this just in
Speaker 1: this price tag just went up a little bit more
Speaker 1: because three kids. Well, thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: tuning in. We'll be back next Wednesday at eleven a m.
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