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Speaker 1: You Guessed It. It's aliens. Those crazy videos with the

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Speaker 1: first Interstellar Physics Conference. Hi, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle

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Speaker 1: the aliens And Welcome to the podcast Daniel and Jorge

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Speaker 1: Explain the Universe, a production of My Heart Radio in

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Speaker 1: which we talk about all things alien, not just extraterrestrial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: that were recorded by the U. S. Navy of by

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Speaker 1: people on ships. US Native personnel. And so the first

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Speaker 1: one is called the green Pyramid video, and it appears

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Speaker 1: to show a flying green triangle that plays across the

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Speaker 1: sky and it's it's flashing a little bit, and then

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Speaker 1: its life passed two other flying green triangles, and everyone

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Speaker 1: was amazed at this. It was described as the most

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Speaker 1: incredible UFO video of all time, better than the gimbaled

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Speaker 1: video because it showed an actual flying pyramid and people

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Speaker 1: assume that's what it was because that's what it issues

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Speaker 1: in the video. Then there was another one called the

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Speaker 1: Omahaspea video, which shows a black heat source kind of

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Speaker 1: this ending and then going behind the horizon. And then

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Speaker 1: those the Omaha Radar video, which just shows by thirty

447
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Speaker 1: seconds of a radar screen that shows some tracks on

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Speaker 1: it and people are talking about them, and then not

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Speaker 1: entirely show where they are. So those are the six videos,

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Speaker 1: which sounds like a whole bunch of evidence, a lot

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Speaker 1: of wonderful evidence for UFOs, but when you start digging

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Speaker 1: into them, because the magic kind of falls away, all right,

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Speaker 1: So we will dig into them in just a moment

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Speaker 1: and talk about what your process is for how you

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Speaker 1: analyze these and figure out what you think is going on.

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Speaker 1: But first, let's take a quick break. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: back and we're talking to Mick West about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in these videos that the Navy has released that

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Speaker 1: contain these strange objects that some people are claiming our

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Speaker 1: evidence of aliens, and other people are more skeptical. So

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Speaker 1: Mick is an expert in debunking these videos and understanding

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Speaker 1: from a two D image what we are actually looking at. So, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about your process for how you

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Speaker 1: take these things apart and understand what's likely going on.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to share with you the results

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Speaker 1: of a poll I gave to our listeners. I asked

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Speaker 1: them this morning, what is the most likely explanation for

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Speaker 1: the Navy UFO videos? And half of them said that

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Speaker 1: it was nothing remarkable, a third said it was some

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Speaker 1: secret military technology, thirteen percent of them said it was

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Speaker 1: clear evidence of aliens, and five percent claimed it was

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Speaker 1: likely manipulated video. So that's sort of a snapshot for

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Speaker 1: where our listeners are in their minds, And so I

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Speaker 1: think we'd love to hear about what your process is,

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Speaker 1: how you analyze these videos, how you take them apart. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I think we can gond just count

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Speaker 1: the last one that there are edited videos that being

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Speaker 1: confirmed to be real videos taken by Navy personnel by

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Speaker 1: the Navy, and in my analysis of it, I haven't

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Speaker 1: found anything at all that suggests that they are fake

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Speaker 1: in any way. They appear to be taken by pilots

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Speaker 1: on planes or sailors on ships, and to represents something

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Speaker 1: that that's actually showed up in the camera when they

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Speaker 1: were filming it. But how do you know that the

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Speaker 1: video itself is authentic, Like maybe the Navy believes it,

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Speaker 1: but how do we know that the sailors themselves. Haven't

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Speaker 1: you modified this data? Can you see like the metadata

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Speaker 1: or somehow verified the authenticity of the digital You can't

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Speaker 1: see the metadata, But just looking at the video, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing at all to suggest in it that it was fate.

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Speaker 1: They look genuine to me, you know, just in the

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Speaker 1: very self consistem. If you do the analysis and what

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Speaker 1: actually happened throughout the entire video, there's there's nothing that

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Speaker 1: suggests anything that various is going on self consistent meaning

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Speaker 1: for example, the reflections and the angles, the texture of

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Speaker 1: the video, but it remains the same like when people

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Speaker 1: added things you often see things like some areas of it,

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Speaker 1: I have a different kind of noise in the background.

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Speaker 1: I would look for lighting as one of the things

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Speaker 1: that is fate, but you know, this is an infrared video,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't. There's nothing that suggests it from an

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Speaker 1: infre prospective that there's anything going on or anything like

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Speaker 1: the light comes from one part in in one point

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Speaker 1: of the video and the other part and the other.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just nothing left out to me. It's

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Speaker 1: difficult to test videos like this because there are almost

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Speaker 1: no videos to compare them against. It's a classified system,

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Speaker 1: the ALEO system, and so if you want to find

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Speaker 1: a video to see, you know, here's a genuine APT

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Speaker 1: flaw video, and here is this one maybe is fake.

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Speaker 1: These are actually the best at FLE videos that we

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Speaker 1: actually have available because the military does not release this

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Speaker 1: type of footage. There's nothing at all. There's a better

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Speaker 1: quality than the gimbal video or the go Fast video.

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Speaker 1: So there's a great videos from from that perspective. So

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Speaker 1: we should assume that the Navy has done some internal

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Speaker 1: authentication to verify that they're not being duped by their

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Speaker 1: own sailors, that they understand these systems better than we

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00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: obviously do. So we have to just take their word

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Speaker 1: for it that the US government is not purposely putting

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Speaker 1: out things they know to be false and move on

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Speaker 1: from there. I think definitely with the first three videos

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Speaker 1: because they are Navy pilots and they would have had

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Speaker 1: to have faced it in the cockpit essentially, because these

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Speaker 1: things get recorded on tape that is installed on the

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Speaker 1: system in digital form, and there such a chain of

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Speaker 1: custody essentially, so you know, the pilot would not have

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Speaker 1: faced in the cockpit. The other ones, the triangle video,

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Speaker 1: you know, it is possible that the guy was just

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Speaker 1: messing around. When you look in the actual explanation making,

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Speaker 1: we can kind of get into what's actually going on,

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Speaker 1: but he could have actually have created this effect himself

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Speaker 1: or herself. And then this the sphere of video and

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Speaker 1: the radar video, they have the sounds of multiple people

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Speaker 1: acting as if they are in a c i c.

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Speaker 1: Combat information center like the room and the ship where

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Speaker 1: they have all these screens and they look at incoming

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Speaker 1: threats on the radar and whatnot, and it all sounds

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Speaker 1: very genuine. So if that was faked, they would have

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Speaker 1: had to get a bunch of guys to stage this

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Speaker 1: whole thing, and I think the military probably would have

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Speaker 1: explained what was going on by this point if if

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Speaker 1: he was faked to that degree. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we can we can take it as read that

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Speaker 1: these are genuine Navy videos, all right, And then we're

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Speaker 1: looking at the videos, we're interested with what could explain

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Speaker 1: this would how could this possibly be something earth bound

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Speaker 1: or prosaic? So how do you analyze it? How do

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00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: you take it apart? Well? Yeah, what when I look

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Speaker 1: at in these videos is, first of all, I look

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Speaker 1: at what other people have claimed about them, because that's

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Speaker 1: the most important thing where to start off with is

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Speaker 1: if a claim is made about a video, you can

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Speaker 1: see does this claim actually hold up? Because these are

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Speaker 1: other people who say they've done analysis of the video.

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Speaker 1: So I'm first of all checking their analysis to see

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Speaker 1: if it got holds up, because it's kind of pointless

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Speaker 1: meeting a completely different set of analysis and coming to

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Speaker 1: a different conclusion if I don't look at their analysis.

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Speaker 1: So in the first video, the FLEAAR video, the claim

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Speaker 1: is made that the object on screen moves in such

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Speaker 1: a rapid way that it's it's experiencing g forces much

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Speaker 1: higher than a human powered craft could do. Human power,

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Speaker 1: human pilotive craft could actually do it just doing like

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Speaker 1: fifty g s or something like that. So some quite

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Speaker 1: high number, much higher numbers have been speculated to the

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Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts, up to several thousand g's, but that's kind

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Speaker 1: of all different kettle of fish here. By fifty gs,

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Speaker 1: you mean the acceleration. You think changes in velocity. To

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Speaker 1: change the position on screen would require a certain velocity,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to get an eid velocity with an

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Speaker 1: attraction of the second, which means you have to have

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Speaker 1: very rapid acceleration, which means obviously very high forces upon

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Speaker 1: the occupants of the craft or the craft itself, and

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Speaker 1: some very powerful means of propulsion, which you can really

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Speaker 1: only do with without technology if you have some kind

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Speaker 1: of powerful rocket attached to the object, or if it

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Speaker 1: was a very small object and you had like minigiat

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Speaker 1: engines or something like that. But so, you know, I

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Speaker 1: started to look at that, and I think, you do

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Speaker 1: the mass if it is moving, then yes, it is

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Speaker 1: actually experiencing these these high accelerations. But then I started

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Speaker 1: going through the video and I'm looking at all the

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Speaker 1: indicators on the screen, and it tells you what mode

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Speaker 1: is in and what zoom level it's in, whether it's

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Speaker 1: in TV mode or infrared mode. And yeah, I noticed

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Speaker 1: that whenever it did this this movement on screen, it

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Speaker 1: was actually switching which camera it was using, So it

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Speaker 1: would be switching between say TV mode and infrared mode,

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Speaker 1: and then the object would do a little movement. If

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Speaker 1: it's for between wide angle and narrow angle, it would

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Speaker 1: do a little movement. The camera has to do these

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Speaker 1: the gimbal rock corrections occasionally where it traverses the forward direction,

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Speaker 1: it has to rotate the camera around, and when it

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Speaker 1: does that, it also does this little movement. And then

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Speaker 1: right at the end of the video you get the

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Speaker 1: same type of saying. The camera mode changes, the camera

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: loses lock on the object, and then the object drifts

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Speaker 1: off the side the screen. So I noticed all these

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: things lined up, and then I noticed that the heading

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Speaker 1: on the top of the screen, which tells you which

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Speaker 1: where the camera is pointing relative to the plane, starts

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Speaker 1: off on the right. I think it's like five degrees

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Speaker 1: right something like that, and then it moves over to

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Speaker 1: eight degrees left, so it's traverting like ten eleven or

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Speaker 1: twelve degrees over the course of the video, so essentially

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00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: it's tracking left. And I noticed that every time the

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Speaker 1: camera lost lock because it did a little camera movement,

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Speaker 1: the object moved to the left as if what had happened,

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Speaker 1: which is the camera has stopped tracking. And so I

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Speaker 1: did the math on this, looked at the angular speed

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Speaker 1: of this the camera, and then based on the field

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Speaker 1: of view of the camera itself, figured out how long

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Speaker 1: it took the object to leave the screen and take

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Speaker 1: it out his angular speed. But it's traversing like the

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Speaker 1: half a degree, which is just that that half of

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Speaker 1: the camera that gives you another angular speed, and these

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00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: two angular speeds matched. So what seemed to be happening

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Speaker 1: was the camera is tracking this object. It occasionally loses

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Speaker 1: LCK and regains it, and then at the end it

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Speaker 1: loses luck and doesn't regain it, so it stops tracking it,

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Speaker 1: and so the object just continues moving. So it didn't

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Speaker 1: appear to be doing anything that had amazing g forces.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it wasn't accelerating at all. There was there

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Speaker 1: was almost no perceptible acceleration from this object. So what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about here is an image on the screen

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Speaker 1: from a camera in motion taking a video of something

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Speaker 1: else in motion. And what you're saying is that to

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Speaker 1: understand the motion of the object itself, you also have

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Speaker 1: to understand the motion of the camera because the image

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Speaker 1: is relative to the camera, and so if it's drifting

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Speaker 1: on the screen, you don't know necessarily if that's the

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Speaker 1: camera turning or if that's the motion of the actual exactly.

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Speaker 1: Like if you imagine you you've got some binoculars and

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Speaker 1: you're looking at the plane up in the sky, you know,

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Speaker 1: far distant plane, and you're just tracking it by following

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Speaker 1: this this thing, but you occasionally it goes behind the

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Speaker 1: three or something that you have to move a position.

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: You'll see the plane will just all around in your

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00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: field of view. And then if at some point you

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Speaker 1: simply stop tracking it and you hold the binoculars in

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Speaker 1: that position, that the plane will appear to continue going.

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Speaker 1: And I think essentially is what we're seeing here, and

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Speaker 1: that's what matches all of the on screen display. You know,

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Speaker 1: the user interface on the screen displays all these these angles,

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Speaker 1: and the camera modes. It all basically lines up with

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Speaker 1: this explanation I see. So you're not just speculating, you're

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Speaker 1: not just finding some alternative explanation that the camera motion

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Speaker 1: is causing this apparent motion of the object. You're actually

650
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: seeing confirmation on the screen itself that reads out what

651
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: the camera is doing, that tells you that everything that

652
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: the object appears to be moving is in fact just

653
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: due to the motion of the camera exactly. Yes, every

654
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: every time the object appears to move, it is in

655
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: sync with some kind of change of the camera. Either

656
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: the camera is to it's gimble correction, or it's changing

657
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: mode from one mode to another, or it's changing zoom level,

658
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: so it's changing the optical pathway within the camera. And

659
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: you actually kind of see this at one point in

660
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: the video. The object appears to zoom off really really

661
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: quickly to the bottom left corner in an incredibly high

662
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: rate of speed, where hundreds hundreds of gees of acceleration

663
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: to get to that speed internally almost instantly. But you

664
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: can see that coincides exactly with a switch in the

665
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: optical pathway from the narrow field of view to the

666
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: wild white field of view. And it's exactly the same

667
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: type of thing that happens. If you say you've got

668
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: a microscope, you're looking down the microscope, and you it's

669
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: got these different lenses down the bottom. If you rotate

670
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: the magnification the objective down below, you will see the

671
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: image shift and move, and that's what we're seeing in

672
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: this video. At the act same time, this object does

673
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: this like movement off to the side. You see that

674
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: they're switching from one optical field of view to another.

675
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: So they're changing the duty internally with mirrors. It's not

676
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: actually lenses, because they use mirrors for infrared cams to

677
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: reduce the absorbs of the light. It's it's a lot

678
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: more effective use knows, But so they're rotating these mirrors,

679
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: this set of mirrors in and then what happens in

680
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: the next few frames is it magically appears right back

681
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: in the middle. So it's obviously never moved though it

682
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: was there, but the movement of the camera made him

683
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: move off to the site, exactly the same as you

684
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: know when you rotating microscope, everything moves off to the side,

685
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: and then bang, it appears back in the middle again,

686
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: but in a different magnification. So if you're just looking

687
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: at the camera footage, you might be confused at first,

688
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: but if you were there in real time, your brain

689
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: is pretty good at sort of subtracting your motion from

690
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: your model of what's going on, Like if you're following

691
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: something with binoculars, you know if you've tweaked the binoculars

692
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: or not. Weren't there also eyewitness accounts of these objects.

693
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: Weren't the Navy pilots themselves surprised at the motion they saw?

694
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: How do we account for that? Well, the thing is

695
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: there are eyewitness account but they're not all the same thing.

696
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: They're not all what was seen in the video. So

697
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: we have some eyewitnesses who said they had an encounter

698
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: with a tick tak shaped objects. It was like a

699
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: fort long tic tac that kind of mirrored their motions

700
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: and moved around and then flew off very rapidly. And

701
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: then an hour later another plane went out and took

702
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: this video, So we don't know if it's the same thing.

703
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: So it could be that you could be the same thing.

704
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: But in the video we can tell that nothing amazing

705
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: is going on in terms of certain movements and high accelerations.

706
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: But we do have this eye when it's account from

707
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: an hour earlier of possibly a different object, possibly to

708
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: say a lot Joe that was just moving rapidly this time.

709
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know what that was. Have

710
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: a few ideas that hypotheses that might work to do

711
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: with parallax and things like that, but I don't think

712
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as in the video. And unfortunately

713
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: no shade against navy pilots, but I witness accounts are

714
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: famously unreliable. It really can't be probed in any detail.

715
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: So we really just have to look at the evidence

716
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: we have in front of us. Indeed, and in Navy

717
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: pilots are very highly trained and they're very good at

718
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: identifying other planes, highly trained and doing that and you know,

719
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: plane from different angles and things. But what we're asking

720
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: them to do here he identified something that is world

721
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: remained unidentified even after they saw it, so that they

722
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: never actually identified it. They saw what looks like a

723
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: tic tac shaped object, like a giant propane tank. They

724
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: gave that description, and maybe that's just what it looked like,

725
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that was what it was, but then

726
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: the movement. Is that what actually happened or is that

727
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: just how they perceived the movement because it was a

728
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: type of thing that they were not so familiar with.

729
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: If you don't know how big something is you do

730
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: know how far away is it? They said it was

731
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: forty ft long, But how did they actually figure that out?

732
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: They never actually explained that. And they said that they're

733
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: very familiar with looking at hounted which is a type

734
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: of plane theft like the f A A team, which

735
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: is forty ft long. And he said it was about

736
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: the same size as that. But that's to me, sounds

737
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: like he's used to seeing things that are forty ft long,

738
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: and so he just automatically fit this object, which may

739
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: have been ten ft long or twenty ft long or

740
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: eight long into that mold because he didn't know how

741
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: big it was. He then don't know how far away

742
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: it is. If you think something is forty ft long

743
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: and it's actually twenty ft long, then the actual distance

744
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: is half what it actually appears to be. So he's

745
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: thinking something flying really fast over there, it could have

746
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: been flying really slow much closer to him. So that's

747
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: the clear video. Then let's go through the other ones

748
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to go fast in the gimbal videos. Okay, so the

749
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: go Fast video, actually it looks like something moving very

750
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: fast over the surface of the ocean. But here, luckily,

751
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: there's some very simple mathematics that we can do because

752
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: on screen we have three numbers, which is all we

753
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: need to figure out what's going on. Really, we have

754
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: the altitude of the plane, which is twenty five thou

755
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: feet and it's that's in the bottom left corner. So

756
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: barometric altitude so it's based on the pressure is close enough,

757
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: so it's about We have the range of the targets

758
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: because it actually gets a radar lock on this target,

759
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: so it knows how far away it is. He knows

760
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: it's three point three nauticable miles away line of sight

761
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: from you to this object. And then we also have

762
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: the plant angle, which is the angle down from horizontal

763
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: that the cameras, which I believe is a sauted around

764
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: mine twenty two twenty two degrees down, so we know

765
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: we're at twenty five feet. We're looking down at twenty

766
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: two degrees at something which is three point three nautical

767
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: miles away. So this diagonal line down is say it's

768
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: the high potent use of a right angled triangle. And

769
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: again what we're looking at is the center of the

770
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: screen is some object and in the background is the

771
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: ocean moving past it. And it appears as if it's

772
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: schimming just over the surface of the water incredibly high speeds.

773
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: So again, like what I'm doing here is I'm looking

774
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: at the claims that are made. So the simple claim

775
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: is that you know, it is scheming over the service

776
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: of the ocean at really high speed. So I'm saying,

777
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: is it actually doing that? And if we can use

778
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: these numbers to figure that out, then that will prove

779
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: or just prove that particular hypothesis. So you know, we've

780
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: got these three numbers, you know, the range, the altitude,

781
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: and the slant angle. We can do very very simple mathematics.

782
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: We are right tangle triangle and this we have an angle,

783
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: and we have the length of the hypoten news, which

784
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: just takes the sign of the angle and multiplied by

785
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: the hypoten news and it gives you the opposite leg

786
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: of that triangle, which is the heights below where you are.

787
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: This is just high school mathematics. It's tenth grade mathematics.

788
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: If you take tenth grade triggonometry, that you would you

789
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: would learn exactly how to solve this very very simple problem.

790
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: You can draw a diagram super simple. Turns out it's

791
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: not actually low The object is not low down at

792
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. It's actually halfway between where

793
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: the plane is and the ocean, which means that if

794
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: it's halfway between you and the ocean, then if, for example,

795
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't moving at all, what we would see on

796
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: screen would still look exactly the same as we see

797
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: in this video. It would look like it's moving very

798
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: rapidly over the ocean. Because the plane that we're taking

799
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: the video from, one of the other numbers we see

800
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: on screen is that it starts out with a camera

801
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: fifty degrees to the left. So it's kind of like

802
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: you're going along in a car and a faster or

803
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: a train, and you're looking out the side window of

804
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: this train and you see something like a building in

805
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: a field far away, and then the mountains behind it.

806
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: If you just focus on that building, it will look

807
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: like it's kind of skimming past these mountains. The mountains

808
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: will pay to move behind it if you look on

809
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: onto that. If you look onto the mountains behind it,

810
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: it will look like the house is moving past. It's

811
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: it's the parallax effect, and when one thing appears to

812
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: move relative to another because of a change in the position,

813
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: all of the viewpoint. So you're able to look at

814
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: this video and measure the distance between the planes taking

815
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: the video and the object and show that it's much

816
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: closer to the plane than it is to the surface

817
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: of the ocean, that the claim that it's right above

818
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: the surface is just an illusion. And then it's actually

819
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: much much higher above the surface of the ocean. It's

820
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: not really closer to the plane than the surface of

821
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: the ocean is actually halfway. It's actually almost exactly in

822
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: the middle, which is like the ideal position really for

823
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: this this parallax alluvision to happen if it wasn't moving,

824
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: which it is actually moving, But imagine if it wasn't moving,

825
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: and you draw a line from your plane through this object.

826
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: You know, she's hovering in space down to the surface

827
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: of the ocean, and you think, you know, you move

828
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: your plane at two thirds the speed of sound in

829
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: one direction. The other end of that line, that line

830
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: of sight is going to move in the opposite direction

831
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: at two the speed of sound. So if you think

832
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: that the object itself is down by the surface of

833
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: the ocean, it would look like it's moving over the

834
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: ocean at the same speed as your plane, except in

835
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the opposite direction, so you get this weird delusion. But

836
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: besides this, the simple observation that it's in the middle

837
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: and that it doesn't necessarily need to be moving. We

838
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: can then actually go in and calculate how fast it

839
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: is moving because we know time comes into it is

840
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: that's a factor here. So we have like thirty seconds

841
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: of the video where we have a lock on this object.

842
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: We have a range, and we have a slant angle,

843
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and we have a bearing angle relative to the plane,

844
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: and we also have the tailt angle of the plane's wings.

845
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's getting a little bit more complicated.

846
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Now we have more variables, but we can say the

847
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: kilt angle of the plane's wings, and we can use

848
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: just standard calculators to figure out what the rate of

849
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: turn would be in degrees for second, so we know

850
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: the plane is just turning to the left and amount.

851
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: We also know how fast the plane is going because

852
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: we have that number on screen. Although the number there

853
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: is the calibrated despeed, not the true air speed. You

854
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: have to convert them solves. It's a little bit more complicated,

855
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: and even though this is one of the simpler videos,

856
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: things get complicated. So we know the angle and the

857
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: range at the starts, and we know the angle and

858
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: the range at the end. So if we draw a

859
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: little back to diagram with a plane in one position

860
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: at the start of this segment, and then the plane

861
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: where it ends up at the end of this segment,

862
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: which kind of forward in a bit to the left

863
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: and turn a bit, we can draw two lines from

864
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: those positions and see where the target actually is relative

865
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: to the plane, because we know how far away it is,

866
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: and we know the angle to look at, so we

867
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: know where it is in plane space plane relative space.

868
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: And then you've got those two positions, you draw a

869
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: line between those and you measure the length of that line.

870
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: That is, how far that object has moved in the

871
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: absolute coordinates where the plane started. So knowing what you

872
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: see on the screen and knowing the position of the

873
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: camera at all times, you can completely reconstruct sort of

874
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: the three D story of what actually happened. Yeah, and

875
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: actually created a little interactive Vetter diagram where you could

876
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: adjust to various parameters because there's some uncertainty. Is to

877
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: know exactly what's going on in terms of how fast

878
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: this is rotating, how fast the plane is turning to

879
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the side, but what you can do is you can

880
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: just see the range of values this object might have moved,

881
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: which gives you the range of possible velocitudes. And it

882
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: turns around. It's something of the order of around like

883
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: forty or fifty knots. You know, it's like forty four

884
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: fifty five miles per hour, which is very very slow

885
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: for a flying object, and in fact it's about the

886
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: exact same speed as the wind at that altitude. Typical

887
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: value for wind as high altitudes is anything from like

888
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: thirty knots up to a hundred knot so it's it's

889
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: entirely consistent with something just simply sitting in the wind

890
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: than being blown by the wind. So just like a

891
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: balloon under no power at all being blown by the wind,

892
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: exactly like a balloon. And in fact, the balloon is

893
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the most likely hypothesis for another factor, which you can

894
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: also get from the more information that's in this video.

895
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: It's quite remarkable how much information is in there. The

896
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: video is in black hot mode. Is an INTREDI video again,

897
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: and it's in black hot. So if if it was

898
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: hot it was a jet plane, for example, you would

899
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: see the heat of the engine show it was black

900
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: but this just shows there was a white dot, which

901
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: means it's actually cold. It's actually colder than the ocean.

902
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: You can see it's actually colder than the surface of

903
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: the ocean, which appears darker behind it. And that would

904
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: be really weird if it actually was moving very fast,

905
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: because you'd see no emission. But since it's not moving quickly,

906
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: it makes sense that it's not emitting any heat exactly exactly,

907
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: and that's one of the claims that has been made.

908
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: This was an extraordinary craft, you know, simply a you know,

909
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: a jet flying very fast. It's not amazing. But the

910
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: reason there was claimed to be extraordinary was that it

911
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: was cold. They had no visible flights evises or anything

912
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: like that. He just appears as this dot. That's that's cold.

913
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: But you know, a dot lit is cold. Drifting at

914
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: wind speed is just a balloon because it would take

915
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: on the temperature of the air around it and just

916
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: be moving at the same speed as the wind. So again,

917
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: once you you dig into it, everything fits this new

918
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: hypothesis of it being a balloon, which kind of the

919
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: thought arises naturally, what moves out wind speed in the air,

920
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: And there's anybody you know, this either a plane pretending

921
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: to be a balloon or it is a balloon, so

922
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: it fits. And obviously it disproves the earlier hypothesis that

923
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: is some incredible craft moving without means of propulsion. Well,

924
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: I always wonder what happens to the balloons that are

925
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: released at like gender revealed parties, and maybe some of

926
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: them end up as you know, claimed aliens and my

927
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: navy pilots will never know. All right, So that's the

928
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: flear Tic Tac video as well as the go Fast video.

929
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: What about the gimbal one? The one you said is

930
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: claimed to be the most dramatic, lying slaster video we've

931
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: ever seen. It is if you don't know what's going on,

932
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: But once you do know what's going I said, it's

933
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: still kind of interesting. Again, like you do. The what's

934
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: my process here is to look at the claims that

935
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: are made about this video. One of the claims dates

936
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: back to when it was originally leaked by the New

937
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: York Times in two thousands and seventeen. The title of

938
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: the article was called Glowing Auras and Black Money, And

939
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: the reason they called it Blowing Auras and Black Money

940
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: was that what you see on the screen is this

941
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: black source of shaped object, but then around it there's

942
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: a white aura like kind of a white glow around it,

943
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: which looks very unusual. But then when you know that

944
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: this interred video where black is heart, that implies what

945
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: you're seeing around the object is cold, So you're seeing

946
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: what is it? What could it be? Is it like

947
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: a hot object with cold air around it? And it

948
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: seems like something that's physically impossible, and in fact, if

949
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: it was cold, you wouldn't actually see it because air

950
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: essentially is transparent to the infrared, so it takes a

951
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: loss of heat to actually see heat coming off of gases,

952
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: so you wouldn't actually see it if it was just

953
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: cold there. So people hypothesized about it being some kind

954
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: of space warp or something like that, some kind of

955
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: us walk in the nature of space time around this object,

956
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: and that's what it means. The propulsion is being suggested

957
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: by this strange aura. So what I did there is

958
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: I went to look for other thermal camera footage. Now

959
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: we don't have this particular camera that the actual camera,

960
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: but we do have lots of footage from thermal cameras,

961
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: just like things like surveillance cameras and people doing experiments

962
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: with little film and cameras. I have a little thermal

963
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: camera myself somewhere in my desk, and you can you

964
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: can do this experiment. And what I found was that

965
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: this type of glowing aura around a black hot shape

966
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: is actually remarkably common. I found it in numerous other videos.

967
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: I found it around the exhaust of jet plane to

968
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: either be a black with a white aura around it.

969
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I found it around a dancing girl. Someone took an

970
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: inter picture of a small girl who was dancing and

971
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: she appeared as black and she had this white aura

972
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: around it. And it turns out that this aura is

973
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: a common artifact of thermal cameras. I thought you were

974
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: going to say that this dancing girl was probably an alien. Well,

975
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: and that's the possibility, of course, but you know, low

976
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: down on the list, so you know, I find out

977
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: that this lowing aura, I mean, the first claim that

978
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: they made about the video didn't actually hold up, and

979
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: that it wasn't actually evidence of anything at all. It

980
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: was just a normal expected artifact of the camera. When

981
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: you say artifact, you mean that we're not seeing something

982
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: that's actually there. We're seeing sort of like something that

983
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: happens to the screen as the data is taken. Yeah,

984
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: it's a sharpening artifact, and the reason it appears is

985
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: that to increase the visual contrast of objects, that use

986
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: a thing called an unsharped mask, which is an old

987
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: photography technique, is actually a physical photography technique where you

988
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of you take a blurred version of the image

989
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: and then you subtract it from the image itself and

990
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: it accents the boundaries between light and dark. So it's

991
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: a very good way of increasing the contrast. But if

992
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: you boost it very high, which you do if you

993
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: want to see things very clearly and you don't really

994
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: care so much about image fidelity, you create these areas

995
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: around things and you actually you see it in iPhone photography.

996
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: If you zoom in on the edges of things, you

997
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: will see a kind of a light dark boundary between

998
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: dark light things. So you can get these kind of issues.

999
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Are just a few pixels if that, But that's standard,

1000
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: a standard image sharpening artifact in digital photography, and so

1001
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: this is probably done by the camera online automatically. This

1002
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: is not like some post processing that was done in

1003
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: the studio. This is just digital processing in the pipeline.

1004
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: This was done in camera essentially, and you can see

1005
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't occur around the numbers on the side of

1006
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: the screen, so it's just part of the video feed itself,

1007
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: and it's something that they can actually switch one or

1008
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: off in the camera because it's just a standard like

1009
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: sharpening setting. So then while we're seeing is a hot object. Yes,

1010
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: so what we're seeing is a black hot object, which

1011
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: just means hot object. So then they claim that it

1012
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: shows an object which is rotating, which kind of implies

1013
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: to things. I mean that one is that it implies

1014
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: that what we're seeing is the actual shape of the object,

1015
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: this kind of source of shape thing, and that what

1016
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: we're seeing is that object actually rotate thing. So you

1017
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: start looking into that and you think, you know, is

1018
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: there an alternative to it being a physical object? And

1019
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: the alternative that I came up with was that it

1020
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: could be the glare of an object. If you take

1021
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: something like a flashlight and kind of flashlights shining at

1022
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: the camera here, it creates a big glare. You see.

1023
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: I've got a small flashlight here's about the size of

1024
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: my eyeball, and I changed at the camera and I

1025
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: got this big glare that's always the size of my head.

1026
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: So you can get these big glass Now, this isn't

1027
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: just something that occurred to me out of the blue.

1028
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: This is something that came directly from a previous case

1029
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: that I had investigated, called the Chilean Navy UFO case,

1030
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: where there was a similar looking kind of big black blob.

1031
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: It was a bit more irregular this one, and some

1032
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: investigation of that one by tracking down the actual radar

1033
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: tracks at that time, and we knew all the GPS

1034
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: coordinates and everything, so we didn't really need to make guesses.

1035
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: We figured out exactly what it was this object. It

1036
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: turns out this big amorphous black blob was actually an airbus,

1037
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: a three FOURT, which is a four engined plane, and

1038
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: each of the four engines was creating a infrared blare. Again,

1039
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: it was infrared footage that was about maybe ten twenty

1040
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: times as big as the actual engine itself, and they

1041
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: all kind of merged together into this one big block.

1042
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: So when I saw this other video, this gimble video

1043
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: of something in the infrared, almost my first thought was,

1044
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: could this be like in that old case, like in

1045
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: the Chilean Navy uf case. Could it be the glare

1046
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: of the engine that's obscuring a distant plane, and so

1047
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: I started looking into that as a hypothesis, the kind

1048
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: of answers you know, what's actually going on here. So

1049
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: if you look into you know, the one aspect of it.

1050
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: This most impressive, the rotation of the object, something that

1051
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: came out after simply just studying it over and over again.

1052
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: What I would do is I take the video into

1053
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: a program where you could scrub rapidly through the videos

1054
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: that you you can move the position of the playhead essentially,

1055
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: so you can go backwards and forward. So I was

1056
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: having the object going like this, tating, and then I

1057
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: noticed that in other parts of the screen there were

1058
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: these are vague shapes, there were also rotating. So at

1059
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: the same time as the object rotated or appear to rotate,

1060
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: we saw other bits of light within the scene rotate.

1061
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, how could this be? I mean,

1062
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes any sense is that the

1063
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: camera itself is rotating, and if the camera rotates, then

1064
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: all of the lights in the scene with rotate. Now,

1065
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: this is where it starts to get a little bit complicated,

1066
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit difficult to explain, and people

1067
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: have a hard time with this. If you rotate a camera,

1068
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: then the picture of what you're looking at will also rotate.

1069
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: And so but what we're looking at here, and I'm

1070
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: saying the cameras rotating, but only this little glare in

1071
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the screen rotating, and these these other

1072
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: shapes are rotating. But the thing about this particular camera

1073
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: system is that it's the way it is mounted. It's

1074
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: mounted on a two axis gimbal, and when it moves

1075
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: from left to right when it's trying an object, it

1076
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: can't just smoothly do that because it's it's only a

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00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: mounted on two access and you get this thing called

1078
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: gimbal lock, which people are familiar with from all different

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00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: like robotics has this problem where a robot can't smoothly

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00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: go through one particular angle, so it has to do

1081
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: this rotation, which means that the camera rotate. The camera

1082
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: has to rotate to get from lecture right. You don't

1083
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: want the whole scene to rotate. The pilots watching the scene,

1084
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't want the horizon has suddenly flip upside down.

1085
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: So even though the camera is rotating, the horizon stays

1086
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: exactly a level. But so what's happening though, is that

1087
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: the camera's rotating relative to some part of the equipment.

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00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: With that, it's within essentially that it's in this big

1089
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: pot and it's looking at through this window. And so

1090
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: my hypothesis there was that because it's rotating relative to

1091
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: the window, the shape of the window or what's on

1092
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: the window is creating the shape of the glare. So

1093
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: the camera rotate, rotates the horizon. It then has this

1094
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: system to rotate everything back. But since the cameras rotated

1095
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: relative to the horizon, the shape with the glare relative

1096
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: to the rise and changes. You know, it is difficult

1097
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: to explain. I came up with a simple demonstration that

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00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: I actually show this on CNN. I have this bit

1099
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: of glass, it's a filter camera and filter, and I

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00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: can rotate it and I can kind of point my

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: simulated a glare at the camera and if I hold

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00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: a bit of glass in front of it, and you

1103
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: can see that whenever I take the bit of glass,

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00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: the glare rotates. You see that that line its diagonal.

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00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: Now to go. Sorry's so if a camera rotates, a

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: glare is relative to the orientation of the camera, the

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00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: shape of the glass relative to the orientation of the camera.

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00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: That will rotate as well. Then you when you when

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: you de rotate it to get the horizon level, the

1110
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: glare appears to rotate. And it's just difficult to convey,

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00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: as I keep saying. But the reason they keep saying

1112
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: that is that people when they hear this explanation, they

1113
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: think that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I can't

1114
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: understand what you're talking about. You know, it's mental gymnastics.

1115
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: But just because something is a little difficult to convey,

1116
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. If you take the

1117
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: time to actually look into what's actually going on here,

1118
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: it does actually make sense as as the most plausible explanation.

1119
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: So then did a little bit more work, a little

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00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: bit more digging here. I looked at the patents for

1121
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: this camera, the Apler system, and found out that, you know,

1122
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: it has this this de rotation mechanism to de rotate

1123
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: images that rotates when the camera rotates, and it actually

1124
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: specifies in the patent that it needs to do this

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: gimble correction. It's around plus alinus three degrees or thereabouts,

1126
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: which is more or less where it's doing it. The

1127
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: big rotation happens here when you get close to zero degrees.

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00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: So again everything kind of aligns up with this, with

1129
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: this other hypothesis that it is a glare, and it's

1130
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: kind of essentially confirmed by the fact that the other

1131
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: light patterns in the scene rotate when the glare rotates,

1132
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: it exactly the same point in time, and there really

1133
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: isn't an alternative explanation for that other than the camera rotation.

1134
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: So what we're seeing here is a hot object with

1135
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: an artifact giving it this aura, and then we're also

1136
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: seeing this rotation which comes actually from the rotation of

1137
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: the camera relative to some screen or some lens in

1138
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: front of it. Yeah, exactly. But there's even more with

1139
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: this this video like these, you know, like I said

1140
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: that it's setive, is simple, and it's easy to look

1141
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: at them and they go, whoa, it's amazing. That must

1142
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: be a UFO because it looks like something that's amazing.

1143
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: But you can dig in even more to this, and

1144
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: we see again we have the numbers on the screen,

1145
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: we have the bearing of the object relative to the

1146
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: front of the plane, and it can narrows down. So

1147
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: it starts out we're looking out of the left window

1148
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: again at this this this object, and then we turned

1149
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: around into a looking more straight on at it, and

1150
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: you notice the motion of the object. It looks like

1151
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: it's whizziting across the top of the cloud. But then

1152
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: later it seems to slow down and almost stop, and

1153
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: that coincides with you the plane that's following it turn

1154
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: around so it's facing it. So I think, again, what

1155
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: we're seeing is parallax movement. And you can again do

1156
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: the mess. You can see where these objects might be

1157
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: and how far away they're moving, and just it doesn't

1158
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: actually take very much to create a solution of parallax.

1159
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: So the claim that it's flying along and stops and

1160
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: then rotates, it doesn't really hold up when you investigate it.

1161
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: It seems like something that's simply flying away from us,

1162
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: like another jet or a drone or something like that,

1163
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: or you know, perhaps an alien spaceship. But it's something

1164
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: that's flying away from us that it's hot. We are

1165
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: looking at it from the side, and we turn around

1166
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: to face it, and we get this illusion of parallax.

1167
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: And then when the camera has to do is gimbal

1168
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: role correction, we get this illusion that the object is rotating.

1169
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what we're seeing. It doesn't

1170
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: identify what the object actually is. That, like I said,

1171
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: it could still be an alien spaceship, but it does

1172
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: mean all these claims that people have made about it

1173
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: do not hold up to scrutiny. There's nothing amazing being

1174
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: demonstrated here. It's not hovering on its end, it's not

1175
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: got a glowing order of warping space around it, and

1176
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: it's not covering, it's not stopping. It's just something that's

1177
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: basically just flying away and it's hot. So it's not

1178
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: that we can tell what it is that we can

1179
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: say that is or is not an alien, But the

1180
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: things that have brought it to our attention it seemed

1181
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: weird and seemed difficult to explain, are actually possible to

1182
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: explain with much more prosaic theories. Yeah, so we have

1183
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: unidentified object, but we don't have an unidentified amazing object.

1184
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: It's real, but it's not spectacular. Right, there's a whole

1185
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: other acronym. All right, I want to talk about the

1186
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: newer three videos, but first let's take another short break.

1187
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: All right, we're back and we're talking with Mick West.

1188
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: He was giving us a detailed accounting of his understanding

1189
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: of what's going on. In these apparent UFO videos, these

1190
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: U A P videos that were released by the Navy,

1191
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about is potentially credible

1192
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: evidence for visiting extraterrestrials. And Nick is talking to us

1193
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: about how he analyzed these videos and what he thinks

1194
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: they might possibly mean. So we talked about the three

1195
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: older videos. Tell us what you think about these more

1196
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: recent videos, the ones that came out in two, Flying

1197
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Triangle and the zig Zagging Submersible spear. Tell us about

1198
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the well, the Flying Triangle one, I think is the

1199
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: most entertaining one. It looks very impressive, like you see

1200
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: this screen triangle. Night What we're looking at here is

1201
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: night vision, which is different to infrared. Most of the

1202
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: other videos are are infrared cameras. This is a night

1203
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: vision camera, and so what's the difference. The night vision

1204
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: is image intensification. So it takes what you can see

1205
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: be in very faint light and it magnifies the light.

1206
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: It has this intense multipliitube. When photons come in, it

1207
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: creates a cascade of electrons and it creates a dot

1208
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: on the screen on the other side, So you get

1209
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: a much more powerful signal from just essentially individual photons

1210
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: that creates an image that it's it's it's night vision

1211
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: is commonly used by troops and they have one attached

1212
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: the helmet that I mean, they flip it down and

1213
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: then they go out into a bill holding or whatever.

1214
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: It does need a little bit of light. Sometimes this

1215
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: supplements it with a short wave infrared light, like a

1216
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: little intra red flashlight, which adds to the amount of

1217
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: a visible light which is visible and infrared spectrum. But

1218
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: it's not a thermal camera. It's not a thermal infrared camera,

1219
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: so it's a different type of thing. We're not seeing

1220
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: heat sources. We're seeing actual lights here, so that the

1221
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: analysis has to be very different because of that. So

1222
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: we see a flying triangle and it's you know, it's

1223
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: this little green thing and it moves across what looks

1224
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: like stars, but actually a lot of what you're seeing

1225
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: on screen is not stars. The little points of light

1226
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: you see on screen, or what's called scintillation, is just

1227
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: kind of random electrons inside the multiplieritube in the image

1228
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: intensive fire, So we're not actually seeing a triangle moving

1229
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: across the staffield that's that's visible in this in these

1230
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: these things, so we see a triangle, and the first

1231
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: thing I noticed about it was that it was flashing,

1232
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: and it was flashing in a way that very closely

1233
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: resembled the flashing lights of a plane. And I thought,

1234
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, if it's this is an alien UFO or

1235
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: some kind of Chinese enemy drone that's trying to sell

1236
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: the attack or whatever it's supposed to be, why does

1237
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: they have standard navigation lights? So then I looked up

1238
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: the rough location of where that ship was. It's the

1239
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: US sr US All and they released the log book

1240
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: of it, or it came out with a Freedom of

1241
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Information Act request and we know where it was. And

1242
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: it's just kind of off the coast between San Diego

1243
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: and Los Angeles, just going to south of Catalina Island,

1244
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: and that's right on the fly path of planes coming

1245
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: in towards L A. X And Airport. So there was

1246
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of planes just flying over roughly at

1247
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: that time. So I thought, you know, it's flashing like

1248
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: a plane. It's in a location where planes fly overhead.

1249
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: Could it be that it was a plane? And you know,

1250
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: obviously it doesn't look like a plane. It looks like

1251
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: a triangle, like a flying triangle. And the whole triangle flashes.

1252
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: But again I kind of realized what might be going

1253
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: on here just simply from past experience, because I've seen

1254
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: many videos and I thought, you know, maybe it's just

1255
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: a little bit out of focus on. What we're seeing

1256
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: here is what's called boki, which is the shape that

1257
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: a point of light takes when it's out of focus

1258
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 1: if you take a picture. This is something you see

1259
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: in portraits a lot. So take a picture of a

1260
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: person and behind them there's some lights, like like a

1261
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: Christmas tree or something like that, or a little point

1262
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: lights you see in YouTube videos as well. People wantn't

1263
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: have very lights behind them, and then they're out of

1264
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: focus and you'll generally see around shape around them. Sometimes

1265
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: you will see an octonal shape or a hexagonal shape.

1266
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: And what you're seeing there is the shape of the

1267
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: aperture of the lens. Like if you take a typical

1268
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: lens like like this one here is it's just a

1269
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: regular camera lens, and you look at the interior of it,

1270
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: you can see it's gonna round his shape. This one's

1271
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: actually an octagon, and it's gonna blurry in this this video,

1272
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: but you can see the shape of that and that's

1273
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: the shape of the point of light takes. But if

1274
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: you have a lens that has a triangular aperture, then

1275
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: when you look through that and take pictures with that

1276
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: that I'd been out of focus, then the lights will

1277
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: show up as little triangles. So my hypothesis there was

1278
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: that this is in fact a plane. This has just

1279
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: a bit out of focus. The flashing is the flashing

1280
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: lights of the plane, and it's a triangular shape because

1281
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: of the triangular aperture of the camera that he's taking

1282
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: this video. So then you know, I've come up with

1283
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: this immediate hypothesism, like ten minutes to come up with this,

1284
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: because you know, just kind of recognized the type of

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Speaker 1: things I'm looking at. I've got to try to find

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01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: more evidence for this. So going back to the very

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: start of the video, you see some dots in the distance,

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Speaker 1: and then originally I thought these were distant planes flying

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: towards the boat, with somebody else pointed out that these

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Speaker 1: actually were stars. And you can tell that the stars

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01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: because they match the constellation of those particular stars. This

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Speaker 1: one start called I think arc tourists. And then there

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Speaker 1: is the planet Jupiter, and Jupiter of course moves through

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01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: the sky is not in a fixed place. So we

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: took the actual data the incident nineteen saw what Jupiter

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01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: was relative to these stars, and it's an exactly that spot,

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: so we know exactly what we're looking at that court

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Speaker 1: part of the video. Now at that part of the

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Speaker 1: video is not zoomed in, so we can't see the

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Speaker 1: triangular shape of these things. There's there are only a

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01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: few pixels. This is very very low resolution video. But

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: what we can do is we can take this position

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: of where these stars are and then kind of move

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: the camera because you can see moving relative to the

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01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: clouds that appear, and so you can track where it

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01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: is and then where it ends up at at the

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Speaker 1: end of this video where you see this this flashing triangle,

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01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: and then you notice at the end of the video

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: there's two other triangles appear, one above the other, two

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: other faint triangles, and the fliers past them. And the

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: people meant who made claims about this video claim that

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01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: these are the two triangles, were two other drones or

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: alien spaceships or whatever they were to other U a

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: p s. But I did this this tracking of the

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: position of the camera across the sky, and it turns

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Speaker 1: out if you start with these stars over here and

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: you end up over here, there's two stars right in

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01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: that position where these two supposed you U A P

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Speaker 1: S actually are. So we know now that these two

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Speaker 1: lights are actually stars, but these two lights appear as triangles.

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Speaker 1: The only way that can happen is if they are

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Speaker 1: triangular booky, so that essentially it's kind of paste close

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Speaker 1: that there's there's nothing else that could possibly be other

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01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: than triangles created by the tremblor. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: didn't stop there. Of course, we keep going try to

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: find more evidence that people say, well, the standard night

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: vision binocular that they're using the Army, the PDS four team,

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have a triangular aperture. So I theorized that maybe

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: that the sometimes people actually change the aperture of the

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: lens cap to have less light coming in. If you're

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01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: in a situation where you've got quite a bit of light,

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, a fairly well liest situation, you can actually

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: have too much light and you don't need it, and

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01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: you can reduce this this aperture in front and get

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01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: better focused. Smaller aperture is better focused. That was a

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: little bit of a long shot, but Luckily happened then,

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: was that somebody on my forum Meta Bunk looked at

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01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: his night vision min ocular they just happened to have,

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: and he saw that it had a triangular aperture. So

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01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: he took his night vision milecular out and started filming

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01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: stars and planes going by, and it looked exactly the same.

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: Everything was exactly the same. We had the scintillation, we

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: had the stars, we had the planes flashing, we had

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01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: the same size, the exact same size triangle. So he

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: did that, and you made some videos and that kind

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: of explained this to people, and I think that explanation

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01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: is largely taken hold of other people have found the

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: night vision mile oculars had these triangular apertures, and they've

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01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: gone out and repeat it exactly the same people who

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: were once skeptics. They were like, oh no, that couldn't

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: possibly happen, and then they were like, oh wait, let

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: me look at person, and they take the video and yeah,

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01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: it all lines up. And then, maybe most convincingly, though,

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01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: you're seeing objects in this particular video which you know

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01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: are point sources, these stars in Jupiter which are appearing

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: as triangle, So you know that the triangle shape in

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01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: this video even though you don't have your hands and

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: that actually monocular are artifacts, and so then and then

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: you additionally reproduced this using similar equipment in other videos.

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: So that seems pretty clear that it's it's not a

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: strong case for a flying pyramid. And yeah, the people

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: who released this video are kind of still clinging onto

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: the possibility that he might be something something amazing. I

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: think they just kind of don't want to let go

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: of this this idea. And you know, there's there's a

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: small amount of justification to it. If this is a

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: video that is part of the UAP Task Forces investigation,

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: which according to the Navy it actually is, then you've

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01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: got to say, why didn't the Navy figure this out?

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: And to which the answer is maybe they have. Maybe

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01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: they have figured it out, but at the time this

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: might have been something that seems to be unidentified, especially

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: to the person who took this. This thing like this,

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: So this guy is he's not a vision minoculars on deck.

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: He see some flashing lights overhead, Actually intact, he's not.

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't even see that. He's looking at the Jupiter

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: and then it's just around for the clouds. And then

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 1: you noticed this there's little flashing lights up there, and

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01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: he goes, oh my god, it's triangular shapes. What's going on?

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: And so he films it for a while and it disappears.

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01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: He gets his his camera out in his filming it

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01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: through the night vision mile ocular and then he makes

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: the report and says, I saw a triangular shaped craft

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: flying over the ship. And initially it becomes this unidentified

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: events and they don't know what's going on. But later

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01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: I think anybody with any technical chops who actually looks

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01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: at this video will figure out what it is. And

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01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't just me. Other people came to it immediately

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01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: the same conclusion. Other people completely independently of me, went

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: out and took a video with the night vision mile

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01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: oculars with triangular apertures, and all came to the same conclusion.

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01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: So I think, yes, the Navy would have figured out

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01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: what it is. And perhaps they have another releasing a

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: report in just a few days on their analysis of it.

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: So we'll see what they say. But tell us quickly

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01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: about this last video. This zig zagging submersible sphere, the

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: zig zagging submersible sphere, it doesn't zigzag again. What we're

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: seeing here is camera movement. And this is something that's

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: even more apparent than the Flair video. You see a

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: dark shape again, it's black his heart. So we're looking

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: at something that's hot. It could well be a glare.

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: Anybody probably is a glare. But it looks at the

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: first leg it is zips over to the left, and

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: the zips over to the right, and a zips there

1405
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: is a left episode in the right. What's happening there

1406
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: is there's somebody in the ship with a little joystick

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01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: who is moving the camera trying to get a lock

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: on this this shape, and it's getting a visual lock

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01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: on the shape of the camera. Just it's kind of

1410
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: like when you do motion tracking in ABE after effects

1411
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: or somebody say, like track this objects. All he's trying

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: to do, basically, is to get the cursor around this object.

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01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: So he's moving at election right from right, So the

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: object itself isn't moving a left and right. It's moving

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: at the constant velocity, which could be hardly moving at all,

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: because we don't know what the relative speed of the

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: ship is or what we're seeing on the ocean surfaces

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: that the motion of the ocean, or is that the

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: motion of the waves and the wind that gives an

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01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: illusion of motion, so we're not seeing something very rapidly moving.

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: But then it appears to kind of drop down to

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01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: the ocean and disappear into the ocean. And people have

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01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: suggested that this is what they call a transmedium craft,

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: like it's it flies in the air and then it

1425
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: flies in the ocean. And you know, for a start,

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,440
Speaker 1: like when we're looking at something that's descending increatively slowly,

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: it's very slowly down to the ocean, and then it

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01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of disappears. And if you look at what actually

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: happens when it disappears, that's really interesting. You zoom in

1430
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: and go frame by frame. It doesn't like go behind something.

1431
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, it's like a round object.

1432
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: Going behind something would be like you see half of

1433
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: it when it's half behind it and it disappears. What

1434
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: it appears to do is it appears to shrink into

1435
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: like a little point and disappear. Now that would happen

1436
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: if it was a glare and instead of going into

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01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: the ocean, it was actually just disappearing behind the horizon.

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01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, the Earth, this is a sphere. So when

1439
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: we look out over the ocean, the horizon is kind

1440
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: of like a very shallow hill. So something's are away

1441
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: and goes down below that, it will disappear, and it

1442
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: will disappear by shrinking. If it's a glare, like if

1443
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 1: I have a glare. Again, if you shine a light

1444
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: at the camera and moving down behind something you don't

1445
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: see it like being cutting half, you will see it

1446
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: actually shrink. It stays the same shape and shrinks right,

1447
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: and it shrinks, And this is exactly what we see

1448
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: in the video. In fact, we see it disappear and

1449
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: then can pop up a little bit and then the

1450
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: spear again. So I think the most likely explanation to

1451
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: that I haven't identified it, but the explanation for this

1452
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: strange behavior is that it's disappearing behind the horizon, and

1453
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: we're seeing it being obscured by way. It's just on

1454
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: the horizon. They're going up and down, so you see

1455
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: it disappear and then briefly appear behind a wave and

1456
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: then then disappear again. So it could be as something

1457
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: like a distant plane or some kind of craft flying

1458
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: away from the camera, and it could be tens of

1459
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: miles away, maybe even a hundred miles away, and it's

1460
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: descending because it's getting further away, and so it gets

1461
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: closer to the horizon. And then when it gets to

1462
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: the horizon, it's not actually in the water. It's just

1463
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: very very far away. It gets obscured by the waves,

1464
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: and then eventually it's lost from site. I don't know

1465
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: what's actually going on, but it doesn't seem to exhibit

1466
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: it's not zigzagging, and it's not exhibiting any apparent trans

1467
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: medium activity. It doesn't necessarily look like an alien flying submarine.

1468
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: That's right, you know. It looks like a slow moving

1469
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: heat source that disappears behind the horizon. All right, so

1470
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: thank you very much for telling us about all of

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: those videos. Let me ask you a more hypothetical question now,

1472
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: which is, can you imagine a scenario where you see

1473
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: a video that you think is consistent with, you know,

1474
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: some sort of unexplained extraterrestrial craft. What would it take

1475
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: to convince you that what you're looking at can't be

1476
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: explained by you know, other more prosaic theories. Well, this

1477
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: kind too fast to that. So one is like, if

1478
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: you see a video of something that's really amazing, you

1479
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it's aliens or if it's humans, because

1480
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: someone's could have invented some new technology. But let's say

1481
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, what would be the video evidence of something

1482
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: that amazing and she was an amazing technology like a

1483
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: warp drive or anti gravity or something like that. And

1484
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: I think that the evidence you need there is independently

1485
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: measured things from two positions, essentially, so with video, like

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: having two videos taken by two different people of the

1487
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: same thing from known locations with known cameras, so you

1488
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: can then triangulate what's going on so that you can

1489
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: actually see it is actually making this particular sac of

1490
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: motion in three dimensions. So when you're looking at something

1491
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: in two dimensions, you don't know if something is is

1492
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: small or far away, and you don't know if what

1493
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: you're seeing is some kind of optical effect in this camera.

1494
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Speaker 1: If you have two videos, that eliminates a lot of

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Speaker 1: that possible confusion and you can see it it is

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Speaker 1: actually moving. And if you have more video, that's even better.

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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, if you have radar data,

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01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: that's going to be great too as well. So you

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: know multiple readings of the same exact event, not you

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Speaker 1: know things that happened roughly at the same time, but

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: the same exact thing doing something amazing would demonstrate it

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01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: that it was actually doing something amazing. And so when

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: you take one of these videos and you find another

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01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: explanations and it makes sense to you that doesn't require

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: invoking aliens, what do you feel. Do you feel like, ah, ha,

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: I cracked a puzzle. This is super fun, or do

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: you feel, oh, that's too bad. I was kind of

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Speaker 1: hoping this might be aliens or some combination. Well, I

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01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: always hope it might be aliens, but I don't have

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Speaker 1: very high hopes, so I don't have great expectations that

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Speaker 1: are being aliens. If if it did turn out to

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Speaker 1: be something amazing, it would it would be flabergasta and

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Speaker 1: it would be totally amazing. So usually when I figured

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Speaker 1: something out, it's just like figure it out, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I solved the puzzle, because that's what it is for me.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the time is if you're trying to

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: figure out the puzzle, so there are all these little clues,

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Speaker 1: you know, the things I talked about in these videos.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're looking at like ten fifteen different little clues

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Speaker 1: in the video, and once you figure it out and

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Speaker 1: you know you're you're beating other people to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a fun thing too, because it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of competitiveness in it, because we're all trying

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: to solve these things. We'll trying to figure out what

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: they are, and if you managed to do it, it's

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: fun little feather in your cap. Well, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: all trying to do in sciences and for the true

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Speaker 1: nature of the universe. Based on the pieces of evidence

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Speaker 1: we have, it's all just one big detective story. So

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Speaker 1: let me ask you a non scientific question, since we

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01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: obviously don't have evidence one way or the other, do

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Speaker 1: you have a personal feeling for whether there are extraterrestrial

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Speaker 1: civilizations out there in the galaxy? Well, my personal feeling

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Speaker 1: is just I think, similar to most people, that the

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Speaker 1: universe is so big that it almost seems inevitable that

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Speaker 1: then must be some kind of life out there. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 1: maybe we are the first life to arise in the universe,

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Speaker 1: but I think given the size of the universe, it

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Speaker 1: seems fairly likely that some kind of civilization has risen.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe not very very complicated, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's self replicating organisms elsewhere in the universe,

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: but you know, civilization is a little bit more complicated

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01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: than that. But yes, I think it's out there. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think there's any good evidence that they've come

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Speaker 1: visiting anytime recently. Absolutely, I agree. And something that convisits

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Speaker 1: me as well is that we have all these videos,

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: but they are all of totally different kinds of apparent phenomena.

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Speaker 1: If we had like nineteen different videos and they all

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: showed the same kind of ship doing the same kind

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: of trick, that might be tele convincing story, because in

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Speaker 1: the end, what we're looking for is a coherent explanation

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: for everything. Certainly possible that extrass reels have visited and

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01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: they're sneaking around and were occasionally capturing glimpses of them,

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: But six completely different kinds of aliens, flying completely different

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: kinds of ships that can do six completely different things.

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: That's a little harder to swallow. Yeah. Here we have

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: like a we have a flying take tack, We have

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01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: a hovering flying source of top type thing, and we

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01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: have a flying cold object actually other ones that are

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: all hot, and then we have a flying flashing triangle,

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: and then we have a flying hot sphere that des

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Speaker 1: sends into the ocean, so that, yeah, why don't we

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Speaker 1: have two videos, even even at seferent times, to just

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Speaker 1: to show the exact same amazing thing. And that's too

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: bad because I personally would love if aliens came to

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Speaker 1: visit and could help us unravel some of these secrets

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Speaker 1: of the universe. And I hope that if they do,

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Speaker 1: they don't hide and then to sneak around, they just

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, land on the White House lawn and start

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01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: to talk to us. All right, well, thank you very

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: much macke for sharing with us your experience and your

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: expertise and walking through the details of these videos. They

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01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: are interesting. The videos themselves are amazing, but it may

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Speaker 1: be that they don't show actually amazing craft. Thank you

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: very much for having me love very interesting topic and

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Speaker 1: I love talking about it, all right. Thanks again, and

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: thank you everybody out there who stuck with us for

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: this long and very detailed, but I think illuminating podcast

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: episode about something that has tickled all of us. Thanks

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01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: everyone for tuning in, Thanks for listening, and remember that

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Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge explained. The Universe is a production of

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