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Speaker 1: It's time to talk to the Giants off ball inside

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Speaker 1: linebackers and Bobby o'caake leading that group last year and

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Speaker 1: he had a chance to talk to us again as

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Speaker 1: we get ready for a twenty twenty four training camp.

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Speaker 1: Now we're joined by Giants Captain the linebacker Bobby Okak. Bobby,

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Speaker 1: what's up man?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, dude. How about you?

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Speaker 2: You're good?

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Speaker 1: So I imagine this defense it's kind of like back to

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Speaker 1: old time. So you're right back in your days in

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis where you're kind of back in your comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: It's as much different than last year. Not that last

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Speaker 1: year was a bad thing. You had a great year.

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Speaker 1: You played great football. But I imagine this is probably

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Speaker 1: very much more similar to some of the stuff you've

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Speaker 1: done in years past.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a little bit more coverage, more quarters, different

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Speaker 2: episodes in the run game. You know, I just see

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Speaker 2: I'm add in toois my tool belt. So I've played

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Speaker 2: a lot of different schemes. I'm a versatile player, and

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to be in the shame bowing defense.

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Speaker 1: Now. The one thing guys have said to me that

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Speaker 1: is interesting. I love to get your take is your

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Speaker 1: vet that's played in a zone heavy scheme before they

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Speaker 1: difference with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got true zone, you got cover three,

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Speaker 2: you have match coverage was like a zone match. I

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Speaker 2: think the difference is when a true zone, everyone's on

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Speaker 2: a string following the quarterback size. If he's looking left,

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Speaker 2: everyone's going left. If he's looking right, everyone's going right.

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Speaker 2: In a zone match scheme, you know, if you got

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Speaker 2: your area between the hashes or hash to numbers that

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Speaker 2: if a guy's in your zone like it's.

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Speaker 1: Man man principles right not in your zone.

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Speaker 2: Then you can play a little bit more vision on

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Speaker 1: And that's what this is.

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Speaker 2: This variations of both.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can do both depending on the call. Yep

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Speaker 1: eyes on the quarterback. That's one thing everyone's been saying

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Speaker 1: to me that gets them excited about it. Why do

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Speaker 2: Because we like to make plays, We like to get picks,

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Speaker 2: we like to get pbu's and you know, when you're playing,

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Speaker 2: you can let your instinct show.

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Speaker 1: How if it all? Is it different in the run

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Speaker 1: game in terms of your rules and principles gap responsibilities

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last year, you know, we played a

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Speaker 2: A gap, you have the B gap. It was more

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Speaker 2: just like all flowing off each other. This is more

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Speaker 2: like you have the A gap if you have the edge,

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Speaker 2: stick your arm and hold the edge. Maybe a little

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Speaker 2: bit more gap sound that way. Uh, there's pros and

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Speaker 1: So maybe a little bit more two gapping in this

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Speaker 1: Interesting is that? Is that because it's more of an

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Speaker 2: We run both. You know, base will be more odd

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Speaker 1: And that's the one thing Shane Bowen has said. He

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Speaker 1: How good could this pass rush be? And in Brian

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Speaker 2: I know they'll be fighting each other for sas so

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Finally, what do you think the upside of this

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Speaker 1: as you see this defense getting stolen. Everyone get used

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Speaker 1: How good can you guys be? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a very high standard, and you know

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Speaker 2: we're working towards building a championship defense and that's at

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Speaker 2: all levels. Secondary linebackers and our front set are you

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Speaker 1: Bobby, good stuff, man, appreciate stuff.

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Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it. So you start

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Speaker 4: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the

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Speaker 4: most celebrated name in terms? Are you ready for all

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Speaker 4: that life brings?

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Speaker 1: All right? And now we're joined by Giants linebacker and

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Speaker 1: special teams? Ace Carter Kofflin quarter. How's it going, man?

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Speaker 5: Doing fantastic?

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Speaker 1: Good to be here. All right, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: New defensive coordinator building, Shane Bowen. You've been working to

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Speaker 5: I mean, anytime you learn a new defensive system, there's

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Speaker 5: you know stands out about Shane right away is just

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Speaker 5: his level of detail. Everything's so detailed, especially for the

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Speaker 1: When you talk about details, it can you be a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it comes in it anything right like that.

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Speaker 5: That's what makes defense so difficult is because you get

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Speaker 1: With the offense is everything changes.

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Speaker 5: Everything changes, yes, right, shifts, motions, jet motions, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I imagine this is much much different than what

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Speaker 1: you guys did the last couple of years with Wink right. Oh,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, night and day different. How so well, you know,

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Speaker 5: and so it's you know, it's it's more of a

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Speaker 1: You have a new special Teams coordinator as well. How

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Speaker 5: Oh it's been fantastic. Ghobes is full of energy and

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Speaker 1: That every single day.

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Speaker 5: The dude absolutely love special teams and you know I

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Speaker 1: Him and I get along really really well.

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Speaker 5: But it's it's it's a similar thing, right, you know,

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Speaker 5: you get a new coordinator, special teams coordinator, and again

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Speaker 5: comes new details, right, new new systems, new all that

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Speaker 1: And the final question, not just a new coordinator, you

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Speaker 1: learn a whole new play. Yeah, I kick off as

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Speaker 1: What it could be like.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, he was set up, you know, the

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Speaker 5: have to make a move. And what gets me excited

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Speaker 5: We've been doing stuff this these OTAs that you know,

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Speaker 5: And as much as it is for us, it's also

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Speaker 5: for the coaches just to be like, what what is

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Speaker 5: you know, you put these these details in and then

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Speaker 5: we get out to practice and we and you know,

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Speaker 5: the balls, the ball's live, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: those details change a little bit because it's like, Okay, wow,

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Speaker 5: this is hitting faster than we thought. This is you know,

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Speaker 5: we need certain guys here here, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to be a huge learning curve for everybody,

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Speaker 5: I think, and I promise you preseason is going to

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Speaker 5: be crazy. I can't wait to see a quarter.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, man, Yeah, thanks for having me. All right,

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Speaker 1: harry Man.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing good. I'm doing great man. Just focusing on

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Speaker 6: football basically it's all. It's all I've been about.

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Speaker 1: And that was given me my first question. You know,

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Speaker 6: So man, it has been a blessing.

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Speaker 6: Than it's just a lot more or not like freedom

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Speaker 1: And you actually get to watch the quarterback and react

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Speaker 6: It's less more like just playing football. So we'll give

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Speaker 1: Now that you've had a chance to figure out what

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Speaker 6: Just like I would say, every everything it's a constant

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Speaker 6: But the biggest emphasis is just learning. Obviously, there's learning

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Speaker 6: And that's when you really have good, really good defenses,

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Speaker 6: You already know what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 6: It's like it's like human nature at that point. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you something you don already know.

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Speaker 1: gonna have to play all four special teams, right, So

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Speaker 6: I'll say this is also that's something also that we

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Speaker 1: So we're watching you guys all frozen still by the

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Speaker 6: Not the first like the first practice as soon as

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Speaker 1: Is the kickoff play? Final question? Is the kickoff play

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Speaker 6: Like it's we're we're gonna see obviously that those are

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Speaker 1: But Darren, I don't think anyone is any idea what

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Speaker 6: I would say yes, in ways, the levels of it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't wait to see it. Derek can't take

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Speaker 1: the time of man.

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Speaker 1: by Giants linebacker Michael mcfattam, Mike, how are you man?

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Speaker 7: Doing well? Doing well?

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Speaker 1: So learning a new system this year? How's it gone?

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Speaker 1: I think it's been good. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: You know, obviously, when whenever you have a new scheme

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Speaker 7: But I think we're coming along. Guys are starting to

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Speaker 1: Does it help that you and Bobby have a whole

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Speaker 7: Without a doubt. Yeah, And you know, obviously having that

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Speaker 7: but you know, just kind of being able to communic

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Speaker 1: We're talking to some of the secondary guys and their

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, you know, something kind of similar. I

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Speaker 1: Help and probably less splitzing for you. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 7: Maybe a little bit less, you know, every that a

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Speaker 1: I think absolutely. When you took a look at your

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Speaker 1: When you say footwork and technique, you mean like finishing

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Speaker 7: I would say more, you know, your first point, finishing

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Speaker 1: It was, frankly last year from my perspective, it seemed

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know, obviously, you know, getting my

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Speaker 1: Michael, good luck to hear my man, Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: rookie linebacker Darius moose Out, Darius, how are you, man?

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Speaker 1: So? How has the NFL experience been for you? The

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Speaker 3: It's been surreal really, just coming from Hawaii all through

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Speaker 1: To be here. Now. When you get it's gonna be okay,

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Speaker 1: in the summer, it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be humid,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be what you used to. Have you gotten

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Speaker 1: your cold weather year ready for like November December?

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Speaker 3: Yet, Yes, I've really, I've actually started my shopping for that.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting, you know, being proactive with in that case. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just trying to make sure I'm ready for the for

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Speaker 3: the cold when it comes. But uh, well, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: loving the weather right now. It reminds me of home.

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Speaker 3: The humidity. You know, you got the eighty We're getting

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Speaker 3: some eighty degree days here. But I'm loving it. But

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm getting ready for those thirty degrees forty

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Speaker 3: degree weather or you know, if that so.

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Speaker 1: And this has been nice training camp if you know,

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Speaker 1: nineties humid like it right. It's no joke, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is no joke.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like that's what I'm what I'm used to,

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Speaker 3: That's what I grew up in, playing in the heat,

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Speaker 3: you know. And at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's just playing ball. But I feel like that heat

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Speaker 3: doesn't really stress me.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How about the defense, You're trying to learn Shane Bowen's

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Speaker 1: system as a linebacker. I mean, I always say I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's the toughest position for a player to

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Speaker 1: come in and try to figure out your past game responsibilities,

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Speaker 1: run game responsibilities, and frankly, offensive coordinators now create offenses

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Speaker 1: to pick on you guys in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: field with whether it's misdirections, you know, readoption, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: What has it been like trying to learn the system

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Speaker 1: over the past six weeks.

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Speaker 3: It's been a great experience. You know, I'm learning a

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Speaker 3: lot from my coaching stuff. You mentioned coach Shane coach Eggs.

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Speaker 3: You know, even from my d line coaches, I'm learning

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Speaker 3: a lot just from being in the same meeting room

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Speaker 3: as them, trying to pick their brains. I'm really just

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Speaker 3: being a sponge ing and i was hooking in all

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Speaker 3: the knowledge from them. But yeah, coach Shane's defense, he

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Speaker 3: allows for us to play fast, not really too much

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Speaker 3: thinking involved, but it's more so just you know, being

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Speaker 3: able to react on the on the dot and just

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Speaker 3: you know, and you mentioned like it's hard for linebackers

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Speaker 3: in this league because they always try to offenses, try

485
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Speaker 3: to make mismatches they would say, as they would say

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Speaker 3: with with linebackers. And you know, that's one thing that

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Speaker 3: I've learned real fast is that guys are really fast

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Speaker 3: in this league and it's kind of.

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Speaker 1: Hard to one the wrong step one direction. Yeah you're cooked, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, one wrong step. Man, this guy

491
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Speaker 3: is five yards down the field already asking him for

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Speaker 3: the ball, with this hand, catching the ball already, and

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks will pull it right on the money. And

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Speaker 3: so you know, I'm learning real fast. Learn I had

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Speaker 3: a lot of lessons already within the eight weeks that

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Speaker 3: I've been here. But man, I'm loving this experience.

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Speaker 1: How has Bobby Okag been with you? And he's such

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Speaker 1: a smart guy, trying to got to teach you all

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Speaker 1: the ins and outs of the position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a season vet. I would That's how

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Speaker 3: I'll explain him to others is just he just he

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Speaker 3: does his job so well. He knows the game inside

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Speaker 3: and out. And just being able to just pick his

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Speaker 3: brain along with the you know, with the vets and

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Speaker 3: also the coaches. She's that's just a lot of knowledge

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Speaker 3: for me to gain, and knowledge is power in this game.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm really excited to be able to be

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Speaker 3: in the same room as Bobby and learn from him

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Speaker 3: at the same time.

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Speaker 1: As you begin your NFL career, what are some of

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Speaker 1: the things in college that you think, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty good at this. Always room for improvement, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: this is the strength of my game. And then what

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Speaker 1: are the things that you have circled You're like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I work on A, B

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Speaker 1: and C so I can take that next step.

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Speaker 3: Right, some of the things that I know I need

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Speaker 3: to work on is just being able to improve my

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Speaker 3: man coverage. Like you said, going back to you know,

520
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Speaker 3: offenses try to attack defenses, getting mismatches with the linebackers

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Speaker 3: with their against their slots or you know, the dynamic

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Speaker 3: running backs the running option routes exactly, and just being

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Speaker 3: able to understand defenses. I know where my help is.

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Speaker 3: What leverage am I going to be taking on the

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Speaker 3: running back with when he when I'm playing man to

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Speaker 3: man on him, and just so just really going back

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Speaker 3: to my new details. Understanding that and understanding the defense

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Speaker 3: will help me out with my man coverage at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day. But uh yeah, I feel I

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Speaker 3: feel really good with just learning from coach as she's

531
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Speaker 3: giving me golden nuggets, you know, just being able to

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Speaker 3: help improve my weaknesses here and there. But then going

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Speaker 3: back to you know, what I did do good in

534
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Speaker 3: college that I can transfer over into the league is

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Speaker 3: just you know, playing with my instincts. You know, at

536
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, we're just playing

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Speaker 3: ball out there, and you know, he can all the

538
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Speaker 3: offenses can they can be cooking up all these different

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Speaker 3: plays defense. You know, once we get to call in

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Speaker 3: from coach Shane, you know, it just comes down to

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Speaker 3: who wants it more, who's going to execute better, And

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Speaker 3: so I feel like that's what you know, that's what

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Speaker 3: I do best, is just going out and just executing,

544
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Speaker 3: executing my play.

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Speaker 1: And then your third day linebacker, you know, you're playing

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Speaker 1: special teams if you want to get a jersey on

547
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Speaker 1: game days, right, And a big part of that is

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Speaker 1: the kickoff rule, which is new for everybody. Everyone's trying

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Speaker 1: to figure this thing out at the same time. What's

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Speaker 1: your early impressions about, you know, the play, what your

551
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Speaker 1: role and responsibility might be, and what teams are going

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Speaker 1: to try to do, because I think everyone is kind

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Speaker 1: of like figure it out as we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of great area with this new rule,

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Speaker 3: but I'm kind of loving this this this new rule

556
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Speaker 3: of the kickoff, because that just allows us to be

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Speaker 3: more physical in a sense, being five yards apart from

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Speaker 3: the point of contact. You know, That's that's what I

559
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Speaker 3: love about this game, is just being physical with another

560
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Speaker 3: man and just being able to assert your dominance. You know,

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Speaker 3: That's that's really what I love to do, just make contact,

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Speaker 3: being able to shed the block and get back there

563
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Speaker 3: to the to the ball carrier. And then as far

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Speaker 3: as the you know, we we've been working some kal

565
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Speaker 3: war techniques you know, as far as you know, just pivoting,

566
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Speaker 3: pedaling and then making contact and it's driving your feet.

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Speaker 3: This little little is very it's kind of different from

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Speaker 3: the old old rule, but very similar in a way

569
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Speaker 3: in different ways. But you know, everyone's adapting and learning.

570
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Speaker 3: Our Special Teams coordinator, coach Govie is helping us out

571
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Speaker 3: with that, and you know we're gonna get it down,

572
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Speaker 3: you know, to a t when when when it comes

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Speaker 3: off to you know, kickoff.

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Speaker 1: Time, Darris, you can't wait to see it, man. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, nice group of inside linebackers there for

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