1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Lexus code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the weak, 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, which means that it's time for some 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: strange news. And we have you know, as always, we've 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: endeavored to give you a mix of things that you 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: might not encounter. Certainly you won't encounter all of these 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: in the same in place. Uh. There are widespread protests, 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: but not political protest. Uh. There is an update on 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: monolith several monoliths. You may know what we're talking about 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: if you're a member of our Facebook page. Here's where 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. And there are of course more assassinations, 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: one in particular that I think is going to be 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: tremendously important in the coming months. But maybe we can 21 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: ease into that one because it's a downer and it's 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 1: prescient and it's terrifying. Uh So, where would you guys 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: like to start today. I mean, we've been getting a 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: ton of people writing to us about this monolith with 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: updates and here's where it gets crazy. I think that 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: might be an easy one to start with. Let's just 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: clear the air. Many of you will recall from I 28 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: believe last week's episode Matt brought the story before I 29 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: really started seeing it pick up steam on social media, 30 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: and now it's sort of become a meme and then 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: it sort of taken on a life of this zone. 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Of course, I'm talking about 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: the giant steel monolith like structure that was discovered in 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: a canyon in moab utah. Um. It really has taken 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: on an internet life of its own, been memed up 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: six ways to Sunday. One of my favorites for someone 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: just put the table aarone logo on it, because it 38 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: really does kind of look like a giant uh space 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: table aroun. And there's another one that said the monolith 40 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: has stories now and it has the little circles like 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: from the top of Instagram, Like I think that's like 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: a meme format like the whatever has stories now, but 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: you hope to see more of that. But in you know, 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: more recent monolith news unmeme related, apparently the thing is gone. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: It's just just gone. Yeah, it vanished as quickly as 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: it as it appeared. Um, And there's a couple of 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: sources on this. Only one have I found that has 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: some specifics from a local who they interviewed, who who 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: claims to have seen it picked up and taken away 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: in a truck and then the words bybe were scrawled 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: on the ground, um, with like tire tracks and a 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: urine stain. It was Aaron Paul. Yeah, definitely, definitely was 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? By the way, who did 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: he knock out? That? That also got meme like crazy? 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: He he was in a like he was the second event, 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: like then the opening act for the Mike Tyson fight. 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, you're talking about the other Logan, Paul Logan 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: talking about Paul because things, No, because he's so famous 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: for he says the same thing, saying things like that. Yes, probably, sorry, 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: fair enough, Sorry, I'm getting my Paul is confused. But 61 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that's another story that's been all over the meme pages. 62 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, so okay, again, this is according to the 63 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. UM, so take this with a grain of salt, 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: because it is the only place that I'm seeing this account. 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: But uh, there's a gentleman by the name of Ricardo 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Marino who is apparently the one who discovered this late 67 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: late late Friday. He said he found the pillar was 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: gone and it was replaced with bible in the dirt, 69 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: tire tracks and a pp stain UM. And he said 70 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: on the way of the side he passed a truck 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: hauling a large object that he believed to be the monolith. UM. 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: The Utah Bureau of Land Management, who obviously manages the 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: land that the structure was found on, UH, said in 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: a statement Saturday that the pillar was removed by a 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: unknown party. Of course, there's been much ado made about 76 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: this monolith. You know, it certainly gets our brains thinking 77 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: in the direction of science fiction like Arthur C. Clark's 78 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: two thousand one of Space Odyssey. UM, well more specifically 79 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: the Stanley Kubrick film version, which has you know, it's 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: more of an obsidian colored monolith at the end. That's 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: well at the beginning, but it also sort of like 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: the through line for the whole film, and it represents 83 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: this idea of alien uh presence, and there's certainly some 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: non ironic discus USh and around that being this, I 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: think we pretty quickly decided it was probably more like 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: an art installation, and there was even an artist that 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: had a very similar looking work to this piece. UM. 88 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: But this has neither been confirmed nor denied. Only know 89 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: is that it showed up uh and now it's gone. UM. 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: And then in other monolith related news, another monolith has 91 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: now been discovered in Romania. Just this week. Mysterious monolith 92 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: appears in Romania, a little different in texture, but very 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: similar to the one that appeared in Utah, and no 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: one really can explain it um. It's about thirteen feet 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: tall and was first noticed on batch Domine Hill in 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: Pietra namped any A Mt. In Romania. Forgive my my 97 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: butchering of that pronunciation, but the nampt Culture and Heritage 98 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: official by the name of Rosquanna Hosanu said quote, we 99 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: have started looking into the strange appearance of the monolith. 100 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: It is on private property, but we still don't know 101 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: who the monolith's owner is yet. It is in a 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: protected area on an archaeological site uh, and it says 103 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: before installing something there they needed permission from our institution, 104 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: one that must be approved by the Ministry of Culture. 105 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: Clearly that did not happen. Um. And it's a little more. 106 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: It's like a triangular wedge kind of shaped, very tall, 107 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, protrusion a lot like one of the pillars 108 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: of the Georgia guidestones. So this is being compared to 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: in a lot of circles. And yeah, um it's it's 110 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: only meters away from the city's oldest historical monument, something 111 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: called the Petro Dava Docion Fortress, which faces something called 112 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the Holy Mountain or Mount Kiallu. Law. Again, sorry for 113 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: the butchery, but geez, guys, we're up to our ears 114 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: and monoliths here. I mean a sign of the times, 115 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: a clever performing artists. I sent this to our group 116 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: text threat and Ben said he thought it was very 117 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: smart of the artist to pick it up like that. 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: And I'm meant to respond to or the aliens, but 119 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, what do you think, Ben? You 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: clearly seem to have a have an opinion about where 121 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: this is coming from. Yet two things is highly likely 122 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: or it's it's it's plausible at least that this was 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: stolen the monolith in Utah because it blew up viral 124 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: e in a remote area. And uh, the only report 125 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: we have is the one eye witnessed saying they saw 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: a truck and then of course humans leaving trash when 127 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: they took the thing, because they ruin everything. That's like 128 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: humanity in a nutshell. So how how would it work 129 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: if it were stolen. Well, it's really tough for the 130 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: artists to get new recompense the very human artist, I'm convinced, 131 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: because imagine if you're a private collector and you have 132 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: this in your home, you can just say it's a 133 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: replica or something different, and there's not really I mean, 134 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the artists could try a civil suit, but then they 135 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: would also be identifying themselves, which apparently they didn't want 136 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: to do just yet. So I don't know if the 137 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: actual artist took it. I think it's I think it's 138 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: more likely that somebody in the area just decided to 139 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: take it on a lark. It's possible. I don't have proof, 140 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: but I have prejudiced against humans. I guess this is 141 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: the best way to say that. And then there's another 142 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: point with the Romanian when the reports are that the 143 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: Romanian one is a copycat. Uh, it's inferior in quality. 144 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Uh it maybe we're just reading tea leaves here, or 145 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: we're just reading monolith script. But it may be that 146 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: the entire point of the exercise was to have people 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: copy this in other parts of the world, similar to 148 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: the toy be tiles. You know what I mean, m 149 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: M interesting. I very much do know what you mean, Ben, 150 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: And Um, I do think that if it were extraterrestrials, 151 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: probably pretty unlikely that would be quoting a YouTuber back 152 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: at us when they beamed it back up and and 153 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: urinating on the site and leaving tire tracks just to 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: throw us off. You know. This was like they're big 155 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: like grand gesture of you know, reconnecting or connecting with humanity. Um, 156 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: that seems pretty pretty unlikely, or at the very least 157 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: pretty soft. Mark. I don't want to hang out with 158 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: those aliens. They don't see they seem like pretty poor sports. 159 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, it's like I think 160 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: about this all the time. There was a great list 161 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: of mail we got to about how we how we 162 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: remove our anthrocentric presumptions and framing when we think about 163 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: non human intelligence or life. I mean culturally, if aliens 164 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: had something that we could call a culture, then for 165 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: all we know, uh, the deposit of urine maybe a 166 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: tremendously like culturally significant nice thing. You know, maybe there 167 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: are a species that communicates into highly through uh distribution 168 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: of fluids, which is wild. But we should also hastened 169 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: to point out that the the urine is probably human too, 170 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Right did they prove that? Did they have? Like I mean, 171 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: you could easily, Yeah, you could extract urine for many 172 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: by standing humanoid that that was around, right, I mean, 173 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy abductive humanoid, take the contents of the 174 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: bladder out, save it, deposit it down to you know, 175 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: to frame up some human you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 176 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: I got it. I'm completely joking, but um hmm, yeah, 177 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're having some fun with this. We talked 178 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: I think last time, we talked about John McCracken, right, 179 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: the artist from New Mexico who died in two eleven. 180 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: Literally just pulling up an article from the Times that 181 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: that has some very interesting speculation around this because some 182 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: folks have actually weighed in soociated with the artist. Oh 183 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: what what are they what are they thinking because it 184 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: feels similar to him. But I would just make the 185 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: point that any artist that is working with metal could 186 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: have created that thing. This is but the David's Werner Gallery, 187 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: which we mentioned in the last episode, UM, who's exhibited 188 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: McCracken's work since the nineties and represents his a state. Um, 189 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: they have weighed and said that the monolith is indeed 190 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: a bona fide piece of McCracken's work. And this is 191 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: an authority on this gentleman's work, you know, So they 192 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: would be able to sniff out a phony, you know, 193 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: even even I'm sure you know it's minimal. It's about 194 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: as minimal as it comes. But I would argue if 195 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: anyone was gonna be able to like point it out, 196 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, and and be that definitive about it, they 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: probably have a good reason. Um. Here's the thing though, 198 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: if he did do it, he died, like you said 199 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, he apparently never mentioned it to 200 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: any of his friends or the dealer. UM. And so 201 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: that's it's become a big discussion in the art world. 202 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: And the artist's son, who is living, Patrick McCracken, he 203 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: is kind of expressed like total bewilderment over the whole thing. 204 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: Um and he it hasn't really waited to weare the other. 205 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: There's a quote from him in this Times piece where 206 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: he says of a memory with his father when he 207 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: was still living. We were standing outside looking at the stars, 208 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: and he said something to the effect of that he 209 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: would like to leave his artwork in remote places to 210 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: be discovered later. There you in a in a phone interview, 211 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: and then they asked him, do you think he was joking? 212 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: He said no, I thought it was something that he 213 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: would do. He was inspired by the idea of alien 214 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: visitors leaving objects that resembled his work, or that his 215 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: work resembled. This discovery of a monolith piece that's very 216 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: much in line with his artistic vision. See. I read 217 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: that same piece and I believe it's New York Times piece. 218 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: When you're talking about um about a couple of days, 219 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: like about three days ago. Uh, I believe in that 220 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: same piece. A spokesperson from David's Werner gallery said no. No. 221 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: In an interview with Art News, a spokesperson said that 222 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: they don't think it's a work by John McCracken, but 223 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: maybe by a fellow artist. Paying homage to a well 224 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: that definitely conflicts with less than the Times piece that 225 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: came out to cut your today being um. The representative 226 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: of this Werner gallery did say that they felt it 227 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: was a bona fide piece of his work. So maybe 228 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: there's some conflicts there or some not quite getting the 229 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: story straight between the two pieces, but either way, to me, 230 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: this memory the Sun is talking about is is pretty powerful. Um. 231 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: And again he doesn't go as far as to say yes, 232 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: it was definitely him, but he talks to the Times 233 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: about this um, this conversation he had with his dad 234 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: and the whole idea of alien life and all of that. 235 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty compelling. When did McCracken pass away? Again? 236 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool testament. I hope it 237 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: was McCracken. And you know, without going into the idea 238 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: of what happens after life, it would be neat to 239 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: think that the artist is somehow cognizant of this and 240 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: able to witness this discovery. Super cool. I think it's 241 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: something everybody should do, leave behind an unexplained legacy. And 242 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's the It's the artistic 243 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: version of planting a tree whose shade. You will never 244 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: sit up beneath there, you go, yeah, really quickly before 245 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: we move on. Had you guys ever heard of this 246 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: other monolith in Seattle? They called it the Millennium Monolith. 247 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: There's a place called Magnusson Park mg n U s 248 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: O N Park in Seattle, Washington here in the United States, 249 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and on the on the first of January two tho one, 250 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: this three ft wide, nine ft tall monolith appeared in 251 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: this park at of nowhere and it only lasted until 252 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: the third of January two thousand one, when it was 253 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: removed and a single red rose was placed down into 254 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: the concrete area where it was attached. It was a 255 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: single red rose that was snapped in half, just sitting there, 256 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: uh after a couple of days. Interesting symbolism there, maybe yeah, 257 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: so much got a great collection at their house, Oh totally. 258 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: And and no one weighing in yet on the Romanian monolith. 259 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: I've seen a Twitter post with an actual photo of it, 260 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: and it really does look like the same deal. It's triangular, 261 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: very shiny, a little more textured, but um fascinating to 262 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: see where this goes. Alien life or no, it's definitely uh, 263 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: its own kind of interesting conspiracy. It's sort of a 264 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: nice one, I would say, I kind of like it. 265 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Maybe the aliens are trying to tell us that they're 266 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: from Urinus UH code deep doc Holiday, I think you 267 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: have all the case. Hopefully that is how we learn 268 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: about alien life. Hopefully there are extraterrestrials. They live in 269 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: our solar system. They communicate through UH and they watch 270 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: breaking bad. They clearly clearly do you're in UH finds 271 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: a way always well on that uplifting note, Let's take 272 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: a quick sponsor break and then come back with a 273 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: little more strange news and we are back. Well everyone, 274 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: as we're recording this, it is of November, which means 275 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: we're right in that sweet spot of everybody rushing around 276 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: to get the best deals on all the things that 277 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: they feel they want to or have to buy for 278 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: other people for the holidays coming up very soon in 279 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: a little less than a month. And you know, we've 280 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: we've got all kinds of fun names for all of 281 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: the sales that occur. Now, the most famous one that 282 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: we just became a phenomena of, you know, mostly people 283 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: getting run over or punched or beaten up while they 284 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: attempted to get the best deals Black Friday, but they're 285 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: all they're all kinds of other ones. What is it? 286 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: Is it prime Day? I think Amazon's big one was 287 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: Prime Day. There's like Cyber Monday. Yeah, and just really 288 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: quickly to your point, Matt, And maybe this is a 289 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: dumb question. I never really thought that deep into it. 290 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Black Friday is specifically a reference to how hellish the 291 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: day is, right, Like that is the idea that it's 292 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: a little miserable, miserable day. Now, it's a reference to 293 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: historically brick and mortar department stores going from the red 294 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: ink or in debt to going to black ea. See 295 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was an opt option as well. But 296 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm on the same 297 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: page as and I, and I conjured that I think 298 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: of like Black Sabbath or some kind of like demonic 299 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: thing happening, or like Black Monday when the stock market crashed. 300 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: It's weird to me that a Black Friday is good, 301 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: but a Black Monday is terrible. Yeah. I mean, Mondays, 302 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: you know they're they're the worst. But no matter what 303 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: you call it, it's when a company, everything from a 304 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: Macy's to a Target, some outlet goes on this big 305 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: sale in order to get a bunch of stuff out 306 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: the door for the holidays, because that is you know, 307 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: as consumers, that is when we spend a lot of 308 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: our money. It's around the holiday times and towards the 309 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: end of the year. So this year, just like last year, 310 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: and this is a big thing to remember. Uh, this year, 311 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: just like last year, Amazon workers are striking, and uh, 312 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: this is something that has can It's been ramping up 313 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: really over the you know, as long as Amazon has 314 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: become this titan within within the shipping and online ordering 315 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: all the commerce that they do, as they've been getting 316 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: more and more popular, you know, and there are more 317 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: and more workers, and there's more pressure on this company 318 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: to you know, pay better wages, to give better healthcare 319 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: or benefits or any at all. Um. It's just it's 320 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: just all kind of compounding as as it goes on 321 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: and as the company makes more and more money. And 322 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: this year, my goodness, with all of the quarantine efforts 323 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: and other safety measures that are in place, you and 324 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: I and everybody else have been ordering a ton of stuff. 325 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: And because Amazon is the biggest player currently for any 326 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: of that stuff, a ton of us are buying on 327 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Amazon and I believe I've got all this stuff here. 328 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: We can we can talk about it as we go 329 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: through this. But this year, in a lot of countries, 330 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: not in a lot of states here in the US, 331 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: in a lot of countries across the world, workers at 332 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: Amazon are striking and they're specifically coordinating around this past weekend, 333 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: this past Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And my goodness, it 334 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: is a really complex thing to think about if you 335 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: look at all the pieces and what it actually means 336 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and the effects that it could have on the global 337 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: economy in time. UM. But it also is really simple 338 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: when you think about what Amazon can do now because 339 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: it is so big. You know, we we talked about 340 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: companies that reach this thing too big to fail. We 341 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: like to that we've like this new thing that we've 342 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: coined um over the past decade or so, a little 343 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: over a decade. UM. They are at that level, and 344 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: humanity is at the level where so many of us 345 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: need jobs. So let's jump into this and I'm gonna 346 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: read parts of an independent article from the Independent, UH 347 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: title as Amazon Black Friday strikes and protests coordinated around 348 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: the world. UM. Fifteen countries are carrying out strikes and 349 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: protests on Black Friday this past week, and they are 350 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: calling for increased pay and improved working conditions. Now, remember 351 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: there is a pandemic still active globally, so working in 352 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: any kind of space, even if it's a giant warehouse 353 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: or something, you have to be very careful about who 354 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: you're close to and wearing some kind of personal protection 355 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, always santitesizing. There's so many things 356 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: that you have to worry about as an individual worker 357 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: that also a giant company has to worry about, providing 358 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: things for their employees should worry about. They should go, 359 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: I'll gould worry about. You're right, you're absolutely right. UM. 360 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: This movement, this whole protest thing, just to jump forward 361 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, it's called hashtag make Amazon pay 362 00:21:52,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: and UM. Here are the countries Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, France, Germany, India, Italy, Luxembourg, Mexico, Poland, 363 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: the Philippine, Spain, the UK, and the US. UM. The 364 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: largest of these protests is occurring in Germany. They're around 365 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: three thousand workers across six different facilities that are protesting 366 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: or have been protesting, and they're working directly with a 367 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: trade union that is attempting to to again get better 368 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: wages for those workers, and they make They make a 369 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: really interesting case here. Jeff Bezos, the the head of Amazon. 370 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: He has become the first human in history to amass 371 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: two hundred billion dollars in personal wealth because of because 372 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: of COVID, really and because he had built this giant 373 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: corporation prior to any of the COVID stuff going down. 374 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: I believe it's seventy billion dollars of that wealth has 375 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: come speci scifically because of because of quarantine and COVID 376 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: restrictions and everything. Seventy I mean imagine the add on 377 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: effect there too, because one thing up a lot of 378 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: people don't know is historically, even though it kind of 379 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: started as an online book distributor, Amazon makes a lot 380 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: of its money off of its web services, and so 381 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: those cloud storage and things right exactly, so those companies 382 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: experiencing increased online traffic are also using the web service. 383 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: More so, Amazon is making money even when you don't 384 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: buy from Amazon, because you might be buying from a 385 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: business that uses Amazon web services. And you could argue, well, 386 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: he was okay, COVID aside presciant like he laid the 387 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: groundwork in the infrastructure for this massive empire. Shouldn't he 388 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: deserve to benefit in this way? Um? I don't know. 389 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a hypothetical, I guess, right. Uh. 390 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: Should there be statutes of limitations on like how much 391 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: personal wealth and individual like this can of mass? I 392 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know. Isn't that called something other than capitalism? You know? 393 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: Right well? Unfettered capitalism is a beast that eats itself. 394 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: It depends on continual expansion into new areas of exploitation. 395 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: And I know exploitation is a loaded word. I'm not 396 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: saying it with a bad connotation, but that's what it is, 397 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: right you you transform labor into other things of value. 398 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: I do want to correct though, there are there are 399 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists 400 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: who argue that, yeah, Jeff Bezos has got a lot 401 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: of scratch, but is he mansa musa level like mansa 402 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: musa right now? If you it's really tricky to calculate 403 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: the net worth of of this ruler board in twelve eighty, 404 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: but I think he peeked around four hundred billion today. 405 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: So Jeff, if you're listening, you still got a ways 406 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: to go, man, But but you're closer than anyone else 407 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: ever got so far, except for maybe Vladimir Putin, but 408 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: that's different. We have a whole different story about that. 409 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: He's not on conquering warlord king level yet. But but 410 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: Amazon makes their net worth now the company overall is 411 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: one point seven trillion dollars. That's larger than the GDP 412 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: of Russia. And that's pretty much neck and neck with 413 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: the GDP of Canada. So with Amazon, we're a country 414 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: economically it would be in very close to being in 415 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the top ten. Yes, And and here here is our point. 416 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: The whole reason we're even talking about Jeff Bezos his 417 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: personal wealth here and and how much the company is making, 418 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: the whole the whole idea is that the company itself 419 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: is making just hand orfist money. They can't put it 420 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: away fast enough. They've got just there's not enough space 421 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: to fit all this money in, even if it's even 422 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: if it's a digital bank account, it's just there's too 423 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: many zeros, so uh that that being over here, they 424 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: they hire thousands and thousands and thousands of human beings 425 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: who do actual labor. And you know, if you if 426 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: you look to what Amazon says about that labor. Well, 427 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: let's let's get a specific statement from a spokesperson here. 428 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: It is, Amazon has a strong track record of supporting 429 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: our people, our customers, and our communities, including providing safe 430 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: working conditions and leading fifteen dollar minimum wage and great benefits, 431 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: leading on climate change with the climate change commitment to 432 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: be net zero carbon by and paying more than five 433 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: billion dollars in taxes globally. So essentially, look, we are 434 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: paying our our people pretty well. Fifteen dollars minimum wage 435 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: is not nothing. I mean, that's that's pretty great. We've 436 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: all heared the horror stories about what it's like working 437 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 1: on those warehouses. Though yes, we've all heard the horror stories. 438 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: We are aware of how tough it can be to 439 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: maintain a job in in this one specific place if 440 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: you're working for an Amazon warehouse. The other thing is, 441 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: or at least the the thought is, with the growth 442 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: of Amazon overall, in all of the shipping and all 443 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: this money come in, couldn't there be a little more 444 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: equitable growth for employees at that even base level? Right? 445 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: Something something right? Um, which is you know, that's a 446 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: very hopeful thing, that's a very that could be a 447 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: very positive thing. Right, if we are truly going to 448 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: allow all ships to rise, as you know, the monolithic 449 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: company have a monolith that is Amazon rises, Um, that 450 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: would be great. Historically, that is not what happens, you know, 451 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: at least regularly, that is not what happens. According to Forbes, 452 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: Amazon recently has been offering full time employees a three 453 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: dollar bonus check. Part time workers will be offered a 454 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: fifty dollar bonus check, and they're offering up to three 455 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in bonuses just for people to work over 456 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: this Black Friday and then through the holidays period, which 457 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: again is not nothing, but compared to the money that's 458 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: coming in overall, it's just it's very very little. Yeah, 459 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: but it's also but it's also great. I don't know, 460 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: it's it's a really tough thing. I think it's just 461 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: something worth talking about. The concept is that there are 462 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 1: all of these protesting workers who you know, they're going 463 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: to disrupt everything for a bit, and they have. It's 464 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: shown in Germany specifically that there were shipments that were 465 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: being fulfilled in I think Croatia and a couple other 466 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: somewhat nearby countries. You know, the places in Germany where 467 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the shipping facilities, where there are protests happening, All of 468 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: that stuff got rerouted. But it was pretty I guess. 469 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how difficult it was for Amazon overall, 470 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: but it was rerouted successfully um and it did just 471 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: slow down shipping a bit. But it's not the kind 472 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: of thing that will put a big enough dent in 473 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: a giant company like that to actually make big significant changes. 474 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: And then the other thing to keep in mind, everybody, 475 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: like we said at the top, everybody needs a job 476 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: right now, and Amazon is actually offering a pretty good 477 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: wage for even really difficult work. And you so, then 478 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: it's on an individual level, you balance is it worth 479 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: my sweat and possibly tears to actually, you know, provide 480 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: for myself and or my family. I don't think you 481 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: should get dinged for taking a restroom break. I mean 482 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: call me. If that all of a sudden makes me somehow, 483 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: Carl Marks, then so be it. But there's some interesting 484 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: arguments here, Matt. So. First off, Amazon is a private entity. 485 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: It is at the threshold of economic heft where it 486 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: can function in some ways like a state power. We've 487 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: we've seen this before. You know, get the advantages of 488 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: being a state without the obligations that a state should 489 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: have to its citizens. Right, just you don't have citizens, 490 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: you have customers and employees. But the the issue here, 491 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: like because it's a private entity. Uh, the the bare 492 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: bones argument is Amazon should pay what it's legally required 493 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: to pay, and anything else it does is it's unusual 494 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: own extra credit. Right. It speaks to its character. But 495 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: but there's another There's another issue, which is that the 496 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: workplace injuries are pretty crazy. Uh, the degradations are pretty crazy, 497 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: and there's there is a good argument to be made 498 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: that Amazon is functioning either as a predatory entity swimming 499 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: in the wake of economic disaster, or as some sort 500 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: of beacon, a safe haven for people who would not 501 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: otherwise survive. I mean, we talked about this a little 502 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: bit off air, but I think I think a lot 503 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: of folks don't know about camper force. That is something 504 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: I'd never heard of until you brought it up. Ben, 505 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: Please tell us about it. It's disturbing. So it occurs 506 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: in this context. The thing is, like, what Amazon is 507 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: saying is very nice. It is misleading, but it is 508 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: technically true. Uh. The misleading part of this is that 509 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: this statement is very nice and positive. If we think 510 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: it occurs in a vacuum. Very few things occur in 511 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: a vacuum. Uh, Like people in previous generations were alive 512 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: for the era of pensions. The pension is this thing 513 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: that seems insane. Now, you would work, you would have 514 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: a career, you work for a company. At the end 515 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: of your career, they would continue to pay you because 516 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: you had a pension. You pay into that system though 517 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: that you paid into, Yes, So somewhere along the way 518 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: before the four of us were probably born, the pension 519 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: quietly gave way to something called the four one K. 520 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: The four O one K takes the risk of retirement 521 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: from the employer and puts it squarely on the employee. 522 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: And it was sold to people as this like. It 523 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: was sold the same way that God, I'm just dropping 524 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: heat on some brand names here, but it was sold 525 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: to people the same way like Comcast tried to sell 526 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: some of their terrible internet throttling plans. Right, they said, 527 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: we're giving you more choice, We're giving you. You know, 528 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: now you are the captain of your fate. But you're 529 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: not really You're the person who has to bear another 530 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: cost that historically your employer was bearing. Not only that 531 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: the choice in and of itself is complicated and confusing 532 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: for like a novice like we even and you're served 533 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: up with all these options of what you can invest 534 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: in for a four oh one k, It's like it 535 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: can be very like like perplexing to someone who isn't 536 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: familiar with stock trade in any way. And then all 537 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden when you have to take it to 538 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: your financial advisor. Whereas you know a financial advisor, what 539 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: the hell is that I don't have one either, I'm 540 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm basically joking, and a guy outside my local bar 541 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: it was going to shout at exactly. But then you're right, 542 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: Then it is an investment. It is a risk that 543 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: you are bearing. And sure matching is all good, and 544 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: that sounds great, But the pension was like unemployment. You 545 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: pay into it, you get it, no questions asked, right, 546 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: and pensions are earned. We should say that, of course, 547 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: some kind of gift. But the reason I'm saying this up, 548 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: and I don't mean mean to be long winded here, 549 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: is that, in a very real sense, like free market 550 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: arguments aside, which I do respect, right, it is a 551 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: private company. A private company has the right and areholders 552 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: would argue the obligation to pay as little as it 553 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: legally needs to. You know what I mean, anything the 554 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: employees will agree to. The free market solution to under 555 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: payment for employees is go work somewhere else and the 556 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: company will realize they have to raise their rates. Fortunately, 557 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: that also mainly works in a theoretical vacuum. Regardless of 558 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: your views, the economic reality of the situation is that 559 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: after a series of crashes uh In in the nineties, 560 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, Chick in two thousand eight, 561 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: a ton of people were abandoned by the American dream, 562 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: and so now we see Amazon in the scene. They 563 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: had a problem in the mid two thousand's. They were always, 564 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: like you said, Matt, they were scrambling to find temporary 565 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: workers during all the all the shopping periods leading up 566 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: to Christmas, and in some places it was so tough 567 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: for them to get temporary labor that they started busting 568 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: in people from three to five hours away. And then 569 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: a staffing agency said, hey, a lot of elderly people 570 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: who thought they would be able to retire and live 571 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: in their homes have had to drastically readapt and a 572 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of elderly people are living hand to mouth, driving 573 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: in r vs. Maybe it's because they want to, but 574 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: many times it's because and the housing crash left them 575 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: adrift and they have no other recourse. Very few people 576 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: want to be just by the way. Very few people 577 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: look at their early seventies and think I can't wait 578 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: to pick up my warehouse job. And thus camping force 579 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: was born. Our viers are working at warehouses in Campbellsville, Kentucky, 580 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: parts of Nevada, and they follow they follow the Amazon 581 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: warehouse money, they follow the work. So the it's getting sticky, 582 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean when we when we get 583 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: to that kind of thing, because we're not saying Amazon 584 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: is evil, but there's so many factors that come into 585 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: play here. Of course, you're going to protest people, forget 586 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: if you're against unions. Don't forget that the United States 587 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: is founded on protest in part that is like the 588 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: d n A and this this idea of people protesting 589 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: for better workers rights. It's it's a huge part of 590 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: US history. Yeah. But but while you know it is 591 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: obviously you're right, is it not also your employers right 592 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: to terminate you, uh, for striking or for trying to 593 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: organize a union or you know, like that's we've heard 594 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: situations where trying to um quote unquote colude. I guess 595 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: with fellow employees to start a union is grounds for 596 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: termination in certain situations. Yeah, I guess. I mean it's 597 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: it depends on the law laws of the land in 598 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: the country where you're in when it when it comes 599 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: to that kind of thing, Um, what actions you can 600 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: take as a company to prevent your your workers from 601 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: organizing And to that point, I would actually I'm gonna 602 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: send everybody over to Vice dot com to read this. 603 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: Uh this article Secret Amazon Reports exposed the company's surveillance 604 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: of labor and environmental groups. Now it's written by Lauren 605 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: Kaori Gurley, and you need to read this because it 606 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: was put out this year, this November, and it is 607 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: speaking to reports from twenty nineteen when there were widespread 608 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: protests occurring at Amazon and all over the place where 609 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about garment workers who are producing things for 610 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: Amazon other places, manufacturing jobs that are making the things 611 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: that Amazon sells to the actual you know, workforce doing 612 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: the shipping the entire thing. There were huge protests and 613 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: there were lots and lots of attempts to organized workers 614 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: into unions. And again we're talking on a country by 615 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: country basis, sometimes a state by state basis. And Amazon 616 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: was doing a ton of surveillance internally just to see 617 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: who's talking to who about what we're talking about, all 618 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: kinds of surveillance to anyway, it's worth a read. Check 619 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: that out and you can see how a giant company 620 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: like Amazon, which by the way, I got those numbers 621 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: when I was saying tens of thousands of people employed. 622 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: That's that is so wrong, and I apologize. According to Forbes, 623 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: this sounds insane to me, but maybe it's true. According 624 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: to Forbes, Amazon, over the course of ten months that's 625 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: from January essentially until October, or maybe maybe maybe it's 626 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: February to November, they hired four hundred and twenty seven thousand, 627 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: three hundred employees new employees. And that's globally, so all 628 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: all the countries where they operate. That means they have 629 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: a global workforce of over one point to million human beings. 630 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: With that many people employed, you can imagine how it 631 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: matters how much you pay your employees for on both sides, 632 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: right to both to the employer and to the employee. Yeah, 633 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: it does. And but I would also argue, like they 634 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: their delivery vehicles are BMW's are Mercedes rather, you know, 635 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: like that's a choice, you know, I mean, I don't know, 636 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: it's a flex like are they just really efficient? But 637 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: I've always found that to be interesting that the Amazon 638 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: delivery vans are Mercedes Benzes. I didn't even know that 639 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: nine point six serious injuries per one full time workers 640 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: really is per the Atlantic and so done. The math 641 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: is is not working out the favor there. I would 642 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: also I would also ask, you know, Matt, I think 643 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: the biggest badger in the bag here is what came 644 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: of the protest. Oh, as of right now, I'm not 645 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: seeing any new is yeah, at least recent news over 646 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: the past four hours saying hey, great, great job everybody. 647 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: Protests have changed everything. Um, I'm not seeing anything to 648 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: that end. Do you do you have the latest news? 649 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: I've I checked right before this. We I don't see. 650 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything other than at least from Amazon side. 651 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything other than that official response that 652 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: you saw from the pr unit, which is this is 653 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: how much we pay them, this is what we're doing 654 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: for climate change and we're going net carbon. What's clever 655 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: about that is that it's a pivot, isn't it from 656 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: some of the issues the organizers raised. Though, to be 657 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: completely fair, the organizers of the protests did call for 658 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: the company to commit to zero emissions by so it 659 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: was a part of the conversation. Just seems like they're 660 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: they're giving themselves a pad on the back for something 661 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: that they were already doing, rather than giving people, uh 662 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: slightly better working situation. I know, Amazon just there's a 663 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: big advertising campaign going on right now, or a promotional campaign, 664 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: I guess from them talking about all of the school 665 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: grant or the school they're funding a lot of kids 666 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: giving scholarships. Oh man, what is it? They just I 667 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: just saw it. My I happened to be watching Top 668 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: Chef again for my own sanity, because for some reason 669 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: it gives me happy feelings. Um, you ever tried great 670 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: British bakeoff? Man? I think you'd like that one too. 671 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: It's another good hand I have I have. Uh, Unfortunately, 672 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm addicted to the judges and everything their fabilities. 673 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Amazon Future Engineer Scholarship program? 674 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: Maybe they put some big thing up where it's like 675 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: half a billion or half a million dollars or whatever. 676 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: It was some insane number of of how much money 677 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: they're putting towards students UM, which is great, but it 678 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: was this weird flex again like you're talking about with 679 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: the Mercedes. It's like, okay, that's great. Well, and it's 680 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: it's it's good for optics. It's a nice pr campaign, 681 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: but it's like is it moving the needle? And and 682 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: is it like when you look at it on a 683 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: chart of their holdings, it's like it's like nothing, you know, 684 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: it's like a blip. So I would like to you know, 685 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: with stuff like this, I think they could get politicized 686 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: very quickly. So I think quantitative data is the best 687 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: lens through which to view this. Here is something true 688 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: based on the profits you just disclosed earlier in this segment, Matt, 689 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: about Jeff Bezos and the profits this single person has made. UM. 690 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: One thing I think that escapes a lot of people 691 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: is just how vast a gulf there is between one 692 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: million dollars and one billion dollars. To put it in perspective, 693 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos could pay every single employee about a hundred 694 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: and five thousand dollars as a one time bonus and 695 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: still as wealthy as he was when the pandemic began. 696 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: Does that work out seventy billion for one two million? Whoa? 697 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: But but again like should should should he have to? 698 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: And I think the answer on equivocally is no. But 699 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's when you start getting into these levels, 700 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: these heights of wealth that are just unfathomable that like 701 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: to your point, it's like becomes like an economy of 702 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: scale and one company and this whole too big to fail, 703 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, argument, is that good for things? Is that 704 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: good for the world or is it like scary, especially 705 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 1: when it's a company that makes literal robots that could 706 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, then like take over or something. I'm joking, 707 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: but I'm also not joking. Look at the portfolio of 708 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: what Amazon owns. They own, you know, um, Amazon Robotics, 709 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: Kiva Systems, all of this stuff they have that Like 710 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: it's basically they have their own skunk works. They're they're 711 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: they're they're this economy of a scale that is developing 712 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 1: technology that is meant to uh serve them. And are 713 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: they required to be f goal with that? You know? 714 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 1: I I'm sure they're standards and practices are there whatever, 715 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, company handbooks as they are, that's their mission statement. 716 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: But you know, when you get to that level, are 717 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 1: you really beholden to anybody. It's a pickle, It's it's 718 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: a it's a prime pickle that because the issue is 719 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: the issue is that humanity has been in the midst 720 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: of similar dilemmas before, but not at this scale. The 721 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: last time the US encountered something like this, it led 722 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: to trust busting, which is not you know, it's so 723 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: weird that we can look back in history and we 724 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: see these people lauded as heroes for doing what later 725 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: historians recognized as the ethical thing for this species. But 726 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: we have to remember that in their time those people 727 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,479 Speaker 1: who are lionized. Now we're treated as public enemy number one. 728 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's just the reality of this stuff. 729 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: As far as UM Jeff and Amazon, you know, it's 730 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: very tough to start your own business and this has 731 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: been a very successful one. So there's also a question 732 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: of you know, are we punishing the honor student, are 733 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: we punishing success, which is something that you know you 734 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't do in general, all things being equal, But yeah, 735 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear. I know that we've got some 736 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: folks in the audience today who have worked or are 737 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: working for Amazon. I would love to hear some stories 738 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: and tell me, tell me a little bit more about 739 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: the terminology. I heard the phrase amazombie referring to the 740 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: people who had to work the the really late shifts 741 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: at the warehouses which operate. From what I understand, that's right, 742 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: And we certainly hope that you got your fifteen dollar 743 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: turkey voucher if you are in fact working for Amazon 744 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: and you have to use it. Yeah, all right, Well 745 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: we have to do our I don't know, big company 746 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: thing and go to an ad break. But we'll be 747 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: right back. We have we have to give our two 748 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: coins to the ferryman to get us across. Just put 749 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: them right here. All right, Well, we'll be your right back, 750 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: and we have returned. Cry havoc, Let loose the dogs 751 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: of war. We're close to a very unpleasant thing. Uh. 752 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: If you are, whether or not you're based in the 753 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: US and listening to this show on a regular basis. Uh, 754 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists who are probably aware that there is 755 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a political disagreement in this country, 756 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: this is not really going to be a story about politics, 757 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: but it does come into play. So one of the 758 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: one of the big issues in this recent presidential election 759 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: in the United States is that the sitting president, Donald 760 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: Trump has refused so far as we record this in November, 761 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,280 Speaker 1: to concede the results of the election and is arguing 762 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: a couple of different things, a couple of trying to 763 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: find a couple of different ways to argue that the 764 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: election itself is is corrupt, right, And that's allegations of 765 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: corruption and election brigging come up every time that there's 766 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,240 Speaker 1: a presidential election in the US. It's a great news 767 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: story now every single time, right, But to this to 768 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: this degree of you know, publicness about it and like 769 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: not willing to conceive this is definitely new to me, unprecedented, 770 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: And you mean on the president's side, g s and on, 771 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, the party of the president, and just of 772 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: the level of legitimacy that this is being given by 773 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: the fact that it's being parroted by so many people 774 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: in power. So the reason I'm bringing this up is 775 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: because when a president year loses an election, they don't 776 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: automatically leave the White House. They still have to do 777 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: stuff being president is a difficult job. They enter into 778 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,879 Speaker 1: what is sometimes referred to as a lame duck presidency 779 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: because everybody knows enemies and allies for and and domestic 780 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: know that one way or another, somebody is going to 781 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: replace this person on January, right, So it makes it weird. 782 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: It's a weird time to get things done. Uh. And 783 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: now we are in a lame duck period. That's not 784 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: a ding on anyone, that's just the name that is 785 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:44,720 Speaker 1: used in things are starting to happen on the international sphere. 786 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: That should be pretty concerning because we're actually and we're 787 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: actually in a dangerous time for the US, the US 788 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: experiment and for the world. Just a few days ago, 789 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: a man that most people in the West have never 790 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: heard of now Wilson Facade, was assassinated. Assassinations happen all 791 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 1: the time. Check out our earlier two part episode on this. 792 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: They happen because they work, they're very effective, and they're 793 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: very unethical. But this guy is someone that you will 794 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: be hearing more about because he was a nuclear scientist 795 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: for Iran and the the Alphabet Boys have they have 796 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: lists of these kind of things, not just the U 797 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: S crews, but all the other all the other Western 798 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies. They have a list of people they consider 799 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: important and Molson was one of those people. He was 800 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: murdered on the of November, so just three days before 801 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: we've recorded this. He was traveling on a rural road 802 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: in Absard, which is a city near Tehran, and his 803 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: bodyguards weren't just like sitting in the Nissan with him. 804 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: He had a convoy of three armored vehicles. People knew 805 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: that he was a target, that he had target on 806 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,240 Speaker 1: his back. So it looks like a truck carrying explosives 807 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 1: detonated near his car. And then gunman unidentified officially at 808 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: this point, and I know what everybody's gonna say, but 809 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: so far they're officially unidentified. These gunmen emerged and they 810 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: just started raining fire down on this guy's car. His 811 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: bodyguards clashed with the assassins. Three of them were killed, 812 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,280 Speaker 1: others were wounded. Several of the attackers were reportedly killed 813 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: as well. His family members were killed or injured in 814 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: the attack. Was a very nasty, nasty thing. Um something 815 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: else happened here. First off, there is no official word 816 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: on who did this, but several days beforehand, a certain 817 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: US president who was looking for according system insight sources, 818 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: looking for an external event, maybe a tail that could 819 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: wag the dog had asked again about taking action on Iran. 820 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: By taking action, we mean unilaterally bombing suspected nuclear sights, 821 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: which is a lot like saying, hey, that camp fire 822 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: would look a lot cooler if we just sprayed gas 823 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: on it, right, that would that would be a heartwarming thing. 824 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: So the current guesses are that. Well, when I say 825 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: current guesses, Iranian foreign ministers have said that they believe 826 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,720 Speaker 1: Israel was behind this, And you have to ask yourself 827 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: about timing. Why would they if if it is Mossad 828 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: or if it is you know, Israeli linked intelligence, why 829 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: would they wait till now to assassinate this person? Does 830 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: it have anything to do with the incoming Biden administration 831 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: that has already seen signals saying that it wishes to 832 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: renew the Iranian nuclear agreement? Is someone trying to poison 833 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: the well or or you know, lower the chances of 834 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: there being a successful agreement, Because think about it, if 835 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: you're a rod one, are your top general's got assassinated? 836 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 1: There was no real legal repercussion for the assassin, and 837 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: now it's happened again. Will there be legal repercussion. What 838 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: does this mean for the future of nuclear stability in 839 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: the Middle East. I know this is not as fun 840 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: as some of the other stories, like oh god, European 841 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 1: Space Agency has a space claw, they're really putting that 842 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,320 Speaker 1: into space. But this is important, This is really important. 843 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 1: Remember we did an episode on Who's killing Iran's nuclear scientists? 844 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: I think that that was Yeah, that was that was 845 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: happening in like two thousand ten, two eleven around that time, 846 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 1: when when major scientists working in Iran's nuclear program were 847 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: being murdered, like assassinated. For it to happening again, because 848 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: I think there's been some stuff occurring, some aggressions happening 849 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: in Iran for a while now. And it's interesting too. 850 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,720 Speaker 1: Then you know, as you're saying, Ben, kind of putting 851 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,840 Speaker 1: some of these pieces together, figure out which part is 852 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: actually the thing motivating everything? Um, well is it? You 853 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: know there's an article in the AP around newspaper strike 854 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: Hi Fi if Israel killed scientists, so Israel being obviously 855 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, a huge ally of us. And and then 856 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: there's notion that Trump was even talking about bombing Iran's 857 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,520 Speaker 1: nuclear facility right before he leaves office. The the the 858 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: idea maybe being just to throw a wrench in the 859 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 1: works for Biden. I guess I don't know. Is it 860 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: deeper than that. Yes, So, like as I mentioned, they 861 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: had UH about two weeks before the assassination of November, 862 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 1: Trump had done what I what I just called kind 863 00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: of a potential tail wagging the dog scenario, because he said, 864 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: what if we why don't we strike at the main 865 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: nuclear site. As far as the calculus behind that, who knows. 866 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: Is it because wartime presidents never get like tend to 867 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: get re elected. I mean, that's just the fact um, 868 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: is it? Because he feels the election is still undecided. 869 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: A lot of international commentators are going to say that 870 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: if Israel did this, if they were responsible for it, 871 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: then they would not have done this without at least 872 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: a tacit approval from the US, which I which I 873 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: think is is pretty likely. Also consider that Uh. Back 874 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, Fakrazade was mentioned explicitly by Prime 875 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: Minister of Israel net and Yahoo. He not only mentioned 876 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 1: the guy and said that he was a leader in 877 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,280 Speaker 1: the nuclear program of Iran, but he told people watching 878 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 1: he was like, remember that name, It's going to come 879 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: up later, so he's definitely on a list. But if 880 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: they're like if I had to guess, and this is 881 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: just speculation, if it were US Israeli operatives who did 882 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,799 Speaker 1: this with a remote controlled machine gun, by the way, 883 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: that detail came out, if they weren't doing this it 884 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: was to ruin the deal, right, Yeah, that that was 885 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,879 Speaker 1: That was what I was thinking might be the case. 886 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 1: And what if Iran does to the bottom of this 887 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,799 Speaker 1: and decide this is what happened, and they do they 888 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: do strike the Israeli city of of Haifa, um, killing 889 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, large numbers of civilians. Wouldn't that force us 890 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 1: to respond? Yes? And Matt, we'll go back to the 891 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 1: machine gun in a second. I just want to say, 892 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 1: also consider the open secret policy of Israel in the 893 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: Middle East regarding nuclear weapons. It is very, very bad. 894 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: The last thing you want is any kind of nuclear deployment. 895 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: And then also consider, you know, uh, the millions of 896 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 1: innocent people in both countries who you know would like 897 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,760 Speaker 1: to stay alive, which I don't think is an unreasonable desire, 898 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So this is um, this 899 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: is an enormous powdery keg. This kind of chaos can 900 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: be advantageous or beneficial for like the defense industry, but 901 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,960 Speaker 1: it's very it can be very, very bad for for 902 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: human beings. Again, most of whom in both countries just 903 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: want to like get up and go to work and 904 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe take a nice vacation with their 905 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,800 Speaker 1: kids sometime if they can save up enough money to 906 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,799 Speaker 1: Add to this the fact that um Iranian contacts a 907 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 1: lot of people there are suffering tremendously under sanctions. Sanctions 908 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: are collective punishment, you know what I mean. They punish 909 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: the people. There's an argument that they punish the people 910 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: who don't make policy decisions more than they punish the 911 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: elites who do. Um. But anyway, but yeah, you're Matt, 912 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 1: it is correct that it was. The latest reports are 913 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: a machine a remote controlled machine gun? Yeah, but they 914 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: breaking bad too. Well, well, good point there you go. Um. 915 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 1: But it's weird because we are getting conflicting accounts um 916 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: from Iranian sources that The New York Times was citing 917 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: too Herod's Harets Harrot's had a couple of Haretts and 918 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: a couple other outlets that are citing a different thing. 919 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: Because some are saying that it was a Nissan that 920 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 1: was parked far away that had an automated machine gun 921 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: on it that was firing and caused the thing caused 922 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: the attack, and then that car itself exploded and there 923 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: were no actual assassins on site, which is really strange 924 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: to think about as a possibility. Others are saying there 925 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: were twelve individuals at least that were present who were attacking, 926 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: and then they all escaped without getting caught e r way, 927 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: It's almost like this phantom attack or it feels like 928 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: we a phantom assassination. Very very strange. Yeah, And this 929 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 1: is the scary thing too, is for people who are 930 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: completely uninvolved in this, you have to wonder what is 931 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 1: the what is the escalation going to be? Because if 932 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: there were an invasion of any sort, God forbid, if 933 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: there were um, if there were what we call a 934 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: hot war, then the US inevitably becomes part of the conversation. 935 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: And I hope this doesn't happen. I hope that people can, 936 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 1: I hope the forces at play can step back any 937 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: bellicost behavior. But we have to remember this is it's 938 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: always something. That's the motto of this year. It's always something, 939 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: And so I hope, I hope the war is not 940 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: the it's not the Grand Finale. I would like it 941 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: to be something a little more laid back, but but 942 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: we want to hear what you think. I've gone a 943 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 1: little over here. I'll have more updates on this as 944 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: it develops, But in the meantime, thank you to everyone 945 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 1: who's checking out the show, who's sending us these strange stories. 946 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think of outsider art and monoliths. 947 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think about the dilemma of Amazon. 948 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: Let us let us know what you think about the 949 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: dilemma of nuclear weaponry in general. Should it be banned totally? 950 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: Will it be banned? Never? Never, never, never. It's going 951 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,640 Speaker 1: to be here forever until we're back to sticks and 952 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: stones and just wondering why that mysterious pile of rocks 953 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: at the far edge of the field makes people sick. Yeah, 954 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: well it could go away when the next most powerful 955 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: type of weapon is developed and then everybody's trying to 956 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: make that instead. Yes, the gravity gun or whatever it 957 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,959 Speaker 1: does up be, that's that's true. Also, you know, maybe 958 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: it'll go away when the whatever comes after humans takes 959 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: this stage. I just I read the school study that 960 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 1: says if it weren't for that asteroid dinosaurs would have 961 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: soldiered on like they wouldn't have they worked on the decline, 962 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,480 Speaker 1: they would have been fine. Isn't that crazy? On these 963 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: accidents such large things, hinge m accidents such as stumbling 964 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:40,520 Speaker 1: upon our Instagram which is at Conspiracy Stuff show, I'm 965 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: cool with that accident, or finding us on Twitter or 966 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Facebook where we are conspiracy Stuff. And we also recommend 967 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: that you check out our Facebook group which is Here's 968 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Uh, you can hang out with 969 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 1: all of our friends there who've already joined up. We 970 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: liked to talk about this episode, the past episode that 971 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,440 Speaker 1: are the one that you really like. Just jump on 972 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 1: there and there are others who want to talk about it. 973 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 1: We guarantee it. It's a one stop shop for all 974 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: your Monolith updates. There you go. All you have to 975 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 1: do to join is name one of us or a 976 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: super producer or anybody, or make us laugh enough to 977 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 1: click on the approved button. That's really all you gotta do. Sometimes, 978 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 1: if they're real cute and there's literally no indication they 979 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 1: know a damn thing about the show, I'll still let 980 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: him in because we want you in the club. We 981 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 1: want you in the club and maybe you'll you'll discover, 982 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, a life changing group of people, because that 983 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,200 Speaker 1: is exactly what the here's where it gets crazy folks 984 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: are and I I screen shot the UH, I screen 985 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,280 Speaker 1: shot the really really funny ones hashtag no pun left 986 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,600 Speaker 1: behind quick word. While we're on that point, we've got 987 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: a backlog of approved posts. We have mods worked very hard, 988 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: but we're we're still we're open to h some more 989 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: mods for assistance because I, I don't know about you guys, 990 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,120 Speaker 1: but I'm often buried in research, so it's tough for 991 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: me to go through and improved things. It's tough. And 992 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: also like it's no dang on any of the memberies 993 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: that we have an approval process for the posts. It's 994 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,439 Speaker 1: just mainly to keep them from being too redundant and 995 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 1: also just you know, to make sure it's a nice 996 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: safe space for everybody. And uh, speaking of the opposite 997 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: of safe spaces. 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