Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky.
Speaker 2: I'm jooky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I'm gos.
Speaker 1: Dead by Ross dresss Hey boo, it's me Ros Dress False.
Speaker 2: I was looking in our Facebook group and there's a post.
Speaker 2: Well there's. First of all, there's all kinds of creepy
Speaker 2: doll posts, which are always a good time to look
Speaker 2: at before bed. As I have just done, I will
Speaker 2: be sleeping very soon. But I also saw something else
Speaker 2: that I kind of regret reading because I'm home alone
Speaker 2: and I'm scooed. But this isn't the Facebook group by
Speaker 2: Roz dres Veales, and this post is from Callen. Callen writes,
Speaker 2: I've been listening to the show since I got my
Speaker 2: new job almost a year ago. I work in a
Speaker 2: mental hospital. It gets really creepy, especially in the early
Speaker 2: morning hours when the patients are sleeping. The building is old,
Speaker 2: dark and quiet, perfect atmosphere for spooky happenings, though I
Speaker 2: haven't experienced anything until a few months ago. I was
Speaker 2: making the rounds through my section of the building and
Speaker 2: went into the bathroom. A roll of toilet paper flew
Speaker 2: off and hit my leg. I didn't think anything of
Speaker 2: it and put the toilet paper back. As I turned
Speaker 2: to walk away, the toilet paper hit me in my back.
Speaker 2: What I didn't think anything of it because ghosts don't poop,
Speaker 2: and I went about my day. A little while I
Speaker 2: was in the dining room, I saw a woman standing
Speaker 2: in the reflection of the window. I went to see
Speaker 2: if she needed help, but there was no one in
Speaker 2: the dining room. I decided to check outside. No one there.
Speaker 2: I went back into the dining room and the same
Speaker 2: woman was still in the reflection, only closer to me.
Speaker 2: She was wearing all black and, in stereotypical ghost fashion,
Speaker 2: black hair over her eyes. I worked for another hour
Speaker 2: with her just staring at me. Later on, I was
Speaker 2: in a currently unused wing of the hospital, completely alone,
Speaker 2: no staff, no patience. I was walking past the padded cells.
Speaker 2: The door to one of the cells started violently shaking,
Speaker 2: with the handle spastically moving up and down, like someone
Speaker 2: was trying to break the door down. I calmly exclaimed, yes,
Speaker 2: I know you're here, HI, and the door stopped. I
Speaker 2: haven't experienced anything else since, but three weird things in
Speaker 2: one day was enough. Thanks for reading. Maybe I'll tell
Speaker 2: you about the time I met a ghost family, or
Speaker 2: the ghost who followed me as a kid and still
Speaker 2: shows up once in a while. Oh my god, thank
Speaker 2: you callin for contributing to my insomnia. Guys, I've got
Speaker 2: Coco Peru on the show today, and if you don't
Speaker 2: know Coco Peru, I highly recommend a google. Coco is
Speaker 2: a drag icon and legend and one of these people
Speaker 2: that I am so inspired by and so incredibly fortunate
Speaker 2: to have as a friend. She's you know, she's one
Speaker 2: of these people, the ones you know, I've had a
Speaker 2: couple of them on the show that are these like,
Speaker 2: you know, these friends of mine that I'm so just
Speaker 2: so lucky to get to even say that. But they're
Speaker 2: just these to me giants because they've been doing it
Speaker 2: for decades and constantly, you know, reinventing themselves. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm talking Jackie b Cherry Vine, Peaches Christ and now
Speaker 2: we've got Coco. And I didn't know if Coco had
Speaker 2: any ghost stories, but she is known for her storytelling.
Speaker 2: She does all these storytelling shows that are fabulous if
Speaker 2: you ever get the chance, and you know, I thought
Speaker 2: I'll try her let's see if she's got one girl,
Speaker 2: wind her up and let her go. She throws paranormal
Speaker 2: stories left and right. Now, here's what I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: about this episode.
Speaker 1: We have not had.
Speaker 2: Many alien stories this show. And you know, there's a
Speaker 2: few reasons. I've kind of lightly addressed this before. First
Speaker 2: of all, I haven't had many guests that have had
Speaker 2: those experiences, so there's that. But also, you know, first
Speaker 2: of all, the show is called Ghosted. I assume that most,
Speaker 2: if not all of you probably also believe in aliens,
Speaker 2: or at least like to listen to those stories. I
Speaker 2: just I've just always been just kind of nervous to
Speaker 2: make this show be an alien you know, all paranormal
Speaker 2: type stuff. I mean, I like the idea of every
Speaker 2: once in a while we'll throw in, we'll sprinkle in
Speaker 2: an alien for you. To me, you know, I like
Speaker 2: the spiritual realm. I like the spooky. I like the
Speaker 2: slumber party feel, you know, I like the whoo. And
Speaker 2: sometimes alien stuff to me becomes more about, you know,
Speaker 2: the government's hiding things from us, which you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say I disagree with, but I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't want to. I just
Speaker 2: don't want to cause you know, debates and and also
Speaker 2: I don't know much about aliens. To be honest, I
Speaker 2: just I like to hear about them, though I know
Speaker 2: that I just want to avoid being a conspiracy theory show.
Speaker 2: So we're going to be hearing about them today because
Speaker 2: Coco has had some experiences and uh, let's just do
Speaker 2: it on with the show. Hello, my girlfriend, Coco, how
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Ross, how are you?
Speaker 2: You know I'm doing okay, I'm doing I'm doing pretty
Speaker 2: well for U for the circumstances.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, you know. I just wanted you to
Speaker 3: know that I said yes to doing this because we're friends,
Speaker 3: we know each other, and I think you're so talented
Speaker 3: and hilarious. And then after I said yes, I thought,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I've never talked public, like really about
Speaker 3: any of these sort of things, mostly because people think
Speaker 3: you're crazy or making it up. But I couldn't. I decided, Well,
Speaker 3: what the hell, everybody's got a story soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know, part of the reason why I
Speaker 2: started doing this podcast, like, let's see, maybe a year
Speaker 2: and a half ago or so, is I want to
Speaker 2: show the world that all kinds of people can have
Speaker 2: these experiences, and it is a you know, safe space,
Speaker 2: like this is a place where anybody that's listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast is someone that either believes this stuff or
Speaker 2: they've already heard I don't know, fifty plus people telling
Speaker 2: these kinds of stories. So don't worry about feeling like
Speaker 2: anyone's going that think you're crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, deal, But.
Speaker 2: I was, actually I was so excited. I saw the
Speaker 2: other day on Instagram that You're going to be doing
Speaker 2: this show on Netflix. That sounds kind of like it's
Speaker 2: right up my alley.
Speaker 3: It's spooky, it is spooky, and I'm just so thrilled
Speaker 3: to be a part of it, especially because the guy
Speaker 3: who wrote it, HAMMERSH. Steele, includes LGBT characters in his
Speaker 3: comic books with this whole underworld of demons and ghosts.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's so right up my alley that
Speaker 3: I auditioned for it, and I really really wanted it
Speaker 3: simply because I thought he's so authentic as an artist
Speaker 3: and he did what he wanted to do and he's
Speaker 3: being rewarded. And years ago I have pitched something that
Speaker 3: had that element to it, and as soon as I
Speaker 3: got to that element of like this, you know, other
Speaker 3: worldly paranormal stuff. That's where you could see people kind
Speaker 3: of glaze over. They weren't interested. Really. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: feel like maybe the world has finally caught up and
Speaker 3: this was sort of my I feel like it's a
Speaker 3: nice little reward for me.
Speaker 2: Well, the show's called dead Endia, right, and so are
Speaker 2: you playing a demon or who do you play?
Speaker 3: I play a character called Pauline Phoenix, and she's an
Speaker 3: actress and it's sort of probably a takeoff on a
Speaker 3: Dolly Parton type of person who's over the top, almost
Speaker 3: like a drag queen, and who owns this park and
Speaker 3: they're all all the attractions are based on her movies,
Speaker 3: her TV shows, and her music. And so there is
Speaker 3: one attraction that is a haunted house that just happens
Speaker 3: to be a gate well gateway excuse me to this
Speaker 3: other world.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds so good. So it's like
Speaker 2: Dolly would but kind.
Speaker 3: Of like Dollywood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you so you believe in.
Speaker 3: This stuff totally one, although I always have my moments
Speaker 3: of complete doubt, so I flip flop back and forth.
Speaker 3: But the way I explain it to others is that.
Speaker 3: I don't care if people believe in it or not.
Speaker 3: But for me personally, I've had these experiences, so I
Speaker 3: know that it's true for me. And then on top
Speaker 3: of that, I just think it's more fun to believe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, so that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 3: I just think it's more fun.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I never understand the option of being like, no, it's
Speaker 2: not real. I've decided it's not because I've never experienced it.
Speaker 2: Why why why would you cut yourself off to that?
Speaker 3: Right? But I grew up in a neighborhood in the Bronx,
Speaker 3: so when people hear the Bronx, they have an image
Speaker 3: of what they think that is. But I actually grew
Speaker 3: up in the little seaside community called City Island. It
Speaker 3: is a mile long and about a half a mile
Speaker 3: at its widest, and it's this little you have to
Speaker 3: drive over a bridge to get to it, and it's
Speaker 3: very nautical, very old, and it was growing up very haunted,
Speaker 3: and we grew up hearing stories about ghosts. So to me,
Speaker 3: that was just something that's always been a part of
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 2: Like what was there, like like the urban legend place
Speaker 2: that everyone knew was haunted or what was the what
Speaker 2: were the stories?
Speaker 3: Now? It was just you would hear little things here
Speaker 3: and there about so and so's house, or she saw something,
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. Within my own house house,
Speaker 3: I believe there was a ghost. I sometimes think it
Speaker 3: might have been my sister, who had passed away when
Speaker 3: I was only three months old. She was fifteen so
Speaker 3: and it was funny because I don't think we within
Speaker 3: the family we talked about it much with each other.
Speaker 3: But years later I found out that we all felt
Speaker 3: that there was a ghost in the house. My father,
Speaker 3: when he was ill, actually saw it standing in a doorway,
Speaker 3: and what did you see? A female? He saw a
Speaker 3: female form, although physically you couldn't really tell that it
Speaker 3: was female, but he knew that it was. He just
Speaker 3: knew it was a female, and across the chest there
Speaker 3: was a prism of color, almost like a rainbow, and
Speaker 3: he did not feel it was threatening at all. And
Speaker 3: my father was very ill at the time, so we
Speaker 3: all sort of felt like that might have been my
Speaker 3: sister letting him know that she was looking forward to
Speaker 3: seeing him. Maybe I don't know, but I had had
Speaker 3: an experience in that house, and I was pretty old
Speaker 3: when this happened, I was in my twenties. I was
Speaker 3: nineteen at least when this happened, and I was at
Speaker 3: home alone, sitting in our first floor, which is what
Speaker 3: we called our basement, and we had two chairs that
Speaker 3: faced a TV in the corner, and I was in
Speaker 3: one chair and my dog was in the next chair,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, above me, I heard someone
Speaker 3: walking through the living room and I immediately freaked out
Speaker 3: because I thought, Oh, my god, someone's in the house
Speaker 3: and my dog. And if you own a dog, you
Speaker 3: know that when they hear something or someone at the door,
Speaker 3: or someone on the property, they run towards the sound,
Speaker 3: and the stairs were right there to go upstairs, and instead,
Speaker 3: she sat up in the chair, looking straight up through
Speaker 3: the ceiling. And it was the first time I ever
Speaker 3: saw my dog's hair stands up on her back, and
Speaker 3: she was baring her teeth, just looking straight up through
Speaker 3: the ceiling. And then the ghost walked through the living
Speaker 3: room into the dining room, past the china cabin, and
Speaker 3: as it walked past the china cabin at the glasses rattled,
Speaker 3: and I came around the dining room table and walked
Speaker 3: right to the top of the stairs, and I thought,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's coming down the stairs, and I
Speaker 3: was frozen in my chair. And then it did not
Speaker 3: come down the stairs, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: could physically feel something leave. And then my dog just
Speaker 3: curled right back up on the chair and fell back
Speaker 3: to sleep. And I've heard so many stories like that
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood. And my neighbor at one point had
Speaker 3: told me about his family and he said, but you
Speaker 3: can't tell my mother I told you this story. So
Speaker 3: I of course marched right over to his house and
Speaker 3: was like, your son just told me the story, and
Speaker 3: I got to hear it from you.
Speaker 2: But this is when you were a kid.
Speaker 3: I was still a teenager when she told me this story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And basically they had moved in next door, but they
Speaker 3: had lived in another house on the island, and the
Speaker 3: island before it was taken over, it was inhabited by
Speaker 3: American Indians, and so there were a lot of stories
Speaker 3: about Native American ghosts on the island. And she would
Speaker 3: be awakened by her boy, the one that told me
Speaker 3: the story. But when he was little, he would wake
Speaker 3: up and say there was an Indian face over his bed.
Speaker 3: And they would just send him back to bed, thinking
Speaker 3: he was dreaming. And then one night he came into
Speaker 3: the room and he woke them up and he told
Speaker 3: them again, there's an Indian face of my bed. And
Speaker 3: when they looked, they could see standing behind him was
Speaker 3: an actual Indian this time. And then the Indian turned
Speaker 3: and walked out, and they followed it, and they went
Speaker 3: out into the backyard and they were standing in their
Speaker 3: backyard watching several ghosts doing some sort of dance in
Speaker 3: their backyard, and their next door neighbors were standing in
Speaker 3: their backyard watching the same thing. And what made it
Speaker 3: so real to me is that when she told the stories,
Speaker 3: she started to cry, and for me, that's always a sign,
Speaker 3: and just the details of what she described as well,
Speaker 3: and also the embarrassment she was embarrassed telling the story.
Speaker 3: So I just grew up in this very haunted neighbor.
Speaker 3: But one of my favorite stories is our neighbor her
Speaker 3: husband haunted her house. He had died in his forties
Speaker 3: and she used to see him all the time walking
Speaker 3: around the house and she said it was like he
Speaker 3: was in a movie. He never tried to connect with her,
Speaker 3: he never even acknowledged her he would be sitting in
Speaker 3: a chair, he'd be walking down a hallway, but she
Speaker 3: saw him all the time. One point, she had put
Speaker 3: this that house up for sale and was having a condominium,
Speaker 3: bought a condominium that was still being built, and then
Speaker 3: the condo was finished, she was moving in and still
Speaker 3: hadn't sold the house. So she decided to rent it.
Speaker 3: And she was telling me. One day she said, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and the rent called me and they said, Anne, we
Speaker 3: had to ask you a question. Yes, did you ever
Speaker 3: see a man in the house? And Anne said, no,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And they said, well, there
Speaker 3: is a ghost in this house, and he's a man.
Speaker 3: They described her husband, and then said and we see
Speaker 3: him all the time. And Anne said, no, I never
Speaker 3: saw that. And so I said, Anne, how could you
Speaker 3: lie to them like that? And she said, I got
Speaker 3: to sell this fucking house.
Speaker 2: Well. It sounds like what they call a residual haunting,
Speaker 2: where it's sort of, you know, like a record playing
Speaker 2: over and over again, a spirit that sort of in
Speaker 2: the same routine that it would have been in while
Speaker 2: in the living, so not necessarily as opposed to like
Speaker 2: an intelligent haunting, where it would actually react to you
Speaker 2: and yes.
Speaker 3: To me, that's what she said. It was like a
Speaker 3: movie and she could see in Clara's day. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like what my father saw, which was sort of fuzzy.
Speaker 3: It was like she was looking at him, except that
Speaker 3: she could see through him. But if well, physically, it
Speaker 3: was all there. But my cousin Donna had an experience
Speaker 3: in New Orleans and that was definitely a ghost that
Speaker 3: was interacting with her, but was doing a routine that
Speaker 3: that woman had probably done in her life.
Speaker 2: What do you mean what happened to Donna.
Speaker 3: Donna was staying in a hotel in New Orleans with
Speaker 3: her husband, who was on a business trip, and she
Speaker 3: woke up and in the corner of the room in
Speaker 3: a chair, she saw something glowing and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, that glow took on a form and it
Speaker 3: was a It was a woman, and the woman came
Speaker 3: over to the side of her bed, stood above her,
Speaker 3: looking at her physically, took the blankets, lifted them off
Speaker 3: of her, and then tucked them around her chin. And
Speaker 3: she was just laying there, frozen in fear. Although she
Speaker 3: did feel that the ghost was not doing anything that
Speaker 3: was harmful, is actually caring and so she told her husband.
Speaker 3: Her husband thought she was crazy. So the next night,
Speaker 3: she's sleeping in bed and wakes up, looks over at
Speaker 3: the chair. The glow is there. She starts to see
Speaker 3: the ghost taking form. She at this point closes her
Speaker 3: eyes because she doesn't want to see it again. But
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, she did feel the blankets being
Speaker 3: lifted off of her, brought up around her neck and
Speaker 3: tucked around her neck. And that was They only stayed
Speaker 3: there two nights, so she was happy to get added there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when she told me that story, she also had that
Speaker 3: reaction of starting to cry. So she told that story
Speaker 3: through tears, which made it so real, and so she
Speaker 3: was so vulnerable when she was telling the story. That
Speaker 3: to me, that's always a sign that a person is
Speaker 3: really telling you the truth, or they're getting chills, or
Speaker 3: they get stuck on certain details about the experience. And
Speaker 3: what was funny about that that was that her son,
Speaker 3: who later went on to become a scientist, and he's
Speaker 3: very very smart guy, he never believed in anything paranormal,
Speaker 3: and he would make fun of his mother and she
Speaker 3: would get really upset about that because it was so
Speaker 3: real to her, and she didn't want to be shamed
Speaker 3: for the experience, but her son was japan in the
Speaker 3: ass teasing her about it, and years later, when he
Speaker 3: was in college, he had a UFO experience. So he
Speaker 3: later told me that experience and said, I know exactly
Speaker 3: what my mother went through. All those years I made
Speaker 3: fun of for, my brother, made fun of for my father,
Speaker 3: made fun of her, And now I've had something unexplainable
Speaker 3: happen that most people don't believe me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did he see a UFO?
Speaker 3: Actually, I know we're talking about ghosts, but my stories
Speaker 3: in my family have more to do with UFOs.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we very rarely talk about them on the show,
Speaker 2: not for any specific reason. They just don't come up.
Speaker 2: But I think most people that believe in ghosts believe
Speaker 2: in UFOs because I mean.
Speaker 3: That was more. That was more of my family's thing,
Speaker 3: was these weird, weird stories about UFOs. He saw a
Speaker 3: UFO in Vermont while he was in college there and
Speaker 3: they were driving in a jeep, I think it was
Speaker 3: a jeep and him and his friends and it was
Speaker 3: nighttime and going down this road with trees on either side,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, over them was this what
Speaker 3: he described as such a big craft he couldn't see
Speaker 3: the ends of it. Oh my god, he said, looking
Speaker 3: straight up at it. It was so full of lights,
Speaker 3: and it was so far down, just hovering over the treetops.
Speaker 3: No sound, but so full of lights. He felt like
Speaker 3: he was looking up at a city because it was
Speaker 3: so big, and it just hovered over them and they
Speaker 3: just were under it. And then it went up so
Speaker 3: fast that it was literally felt like a second and
Speaker 3: it was gone. And when he got back to his dorm,
Speaker 3: they were telling people. And then I think someone in
Speaker 3: the dorm said, oh, well, did you talk to so
Speaker 3: and so because they were in another car with another
Speaker 3: group of people and saw the same thing not far
Speaker 3: from where you saw it. So those two groups of
Speaker 3: people talked and they had all shared the same experience
Speaker 3: that night.
Speaker 2: Oh that's validating. But see, there's it seems that there
Speaker 2: are families. And again I don't know much about UFOs
Speaker 2: compared to ghosts, but there are From what I hear,
Speaker 2: there are certain families that seem to be targeted by UFOs,
Speaker 2: like decade after decade, their families have all I don't
Speaker 2: know why. I don't know how it happens. But is
Speaker 2: that the kind of thing that happens in your family? Like,
Speaker 2: are there multiple stories?
Speaker 3: I think so. The story that I grew up hearing
Speaker 3: before I had my own experience was my sister. And
Speaker 3: this is really creepy. And maybe you saw a video
Speaker 3: Jack Plotnik did where he kind of stole this story
Speaker 3: and used it for one of his little videos. So
Speaker 3: now I haunt him with photos of aliens and whatnot,
Speaker 3: try and scare him. But my sister, I was a baby,
Speaker 3: and my parents had traveled out to San Diego to
Speaker 3: visit my aunt and uncle and took me with them,
Speaker 3: and my older sister, not the one that passed away,
Speaker 3: and my other older sister and my older brother were
Speaker 3: still at home, and my sister had just gone to
Speaker 3: bed in the third floor floor, which is an attic
Speaker 3: that had been converted into usable room with a bathroom
Speaker 3: and two bedrooms and whatnot. And so she's in her
Speaker 3: bed and literally had just crawled into bed. It was
Speaker 3: summer and the window was open, and she rolled over
Speaker 3: and she swears that standing there in her room, and
Speaker 3: my sister is not. If you met my sister, and
Speaker 3: people out of my sister, she is not very creative
Speaker 3: when it comes to this kind of I mean, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, she's a house, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. She's just not one of those people. And
Speaker 3: standing next to her bed was this little being with
Speaker 3: very large arge eyes. And she now, we're accustomed to
Speaker 3: the gray alien that everyone that is not what she described.
Speaker 3: What she described was something that had more of a
Speaker 3: bluish tint to its skin. But what she became fixated
Speaker 3: on when she would tell the story is that what
Speaker 3: it did with its mouth and its mouth it opened
Speaker 3: up into what looked like an O, and then that
Speaker 3: o just grew larger. And as that was happening, its
Speaker 3: head started to rock back and forth from side to side. God,
Speaker 3: so she thought it was she in human terms, her
Speaker 3: brain is freaking out while at the same time trying
Speaker 3: to make sense of what she's seeing. And so she's
Speaker 3: thinking that it's laughing at her because the mouth is
Speaker 3: looking to her like a big grin, although it wasn't
Speaker 3: a grin. It was a perfect Oh, my head is rocking,
Speaker 3: So she's thinking it's laughing at her. But she screamed.
Speaker 3: It scurried out of the room into the next room,
Speaker 3: and my brother was on the first floor thought she
Speaker 3: was being murdered. The scream was so horrifying, and he
Speaker 3: flew up the stairs and of course said, you're dreaming,
Speaker 3: You're dreaming, and that was the end of it. But
Speaker 3: what had happened was a few weeks later, when my
Speaker 3: mom my parents came home, another neighbor of ours called
Speaker 3: my mother and said, Helen, I have to talk to you.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going crazy, and my mom said, what happened?
Speaker 3: She said, well, you know, I've got the five kids,
Speaker 3: and I forgot the laundry out on the line during
Speaker 3: the day, so I remember it, and I went out
Speaker 3: at night to pull it off the line, and as
Speaker 3: I'm standing there, I look over and standing in my
Speaker 3: yard was this little person thing and had these large eyes,
Speaker 3: and then she started to describe to my mother what
Speaker 3: it was doing with its mouth, and then how its
Speaker 3: head started to rock back and forth. And my neighbor
Speaker 3: put her laundry back into her basket and just walked
Speaker 3: in the house, thinking I'm going to forget about that,
Speaker 3: and of course she couldn't. She reached out to my
Speaker 3: mom and my mom said, oh my god, Susan described
Speaker 3: the same thing, and they figured out that they had
Speaker 3: both seen that thing on the same night. So I
Speaker 3: grew up they were they were talking, you know, Oh
Speaker 3: it was a leprechaun, you know, they would laugh about it.
Speaker 3: It was a Martian man. There was in I grew
Speaker 3: up in the late in the late sixties and seventies,
Speaker 3: so the whole, that whole alien UFO culture wasn't something
Speaker 3: talked about. There was no Internet. You know, Martians were
Speaker 3: a fantasy thing things she's on bugs. But it wasn't real.
Speaker 3: It wasn't talked like it is nowadays.
Speaker 2: What do they think? Why do they why did Why
Speaker 2: do you think it might have been an alien? I
Speaker 2: mean it could have been some kind of I mean,
Speaker 2: it certainly seems like some kind of paranormal creature, but
Speaker 2: I mean it could have been all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: Well, the only reason I think it was an alien
Speaker 3: was because, well, I'll tell my story now, okay, which
Speaker 3: was years later, when I was probably about eleven or twelve.
Speaker 3: I was with my friend at the end of our
Speaker 3: street on a tennis court under in trees, walking back
Speaker 3: to my home where my parents and his parents were
Speaker 3: having a barbecue, and his brother was in front of
Speaker 3: us towards the other end of the tennis court, closer
Speaker 3: to us, but walking in the same direction as us,
Speaker 3: towards my home, and I remember I was talking. I
Speaker 3: remember I was looking at my foot in my hand
Speaker 3: as I was, you know, my head was down as
Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Jimmy, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden we were enveloped in this bright light, and
Speaker 3: I was frozen. And I had enough time to be
Speaker 3: looking at my hand and my foot and seeing the
Speaker 3: glower going around my fingers and it being more intense
Speaker 3: and then sort of spreading out, and I had enough
Speaker 3: time to think, I'm frozen and I can't talk. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we were both walking. I
Speaker 3: was no longer speaking, and his brother was no longer
Speaker 3: in front of us. And I said to Jimmy, did
Speaker 3: you just see what I saw? He said that light
Speaker 3: and I said yes, and I said I couldn't move.
Speaker 3: He said either could eye. So we both ran home
Speaker 3: and were telling our mother's and I remember my mother
Speaker 3: was cutting up a watermelon and they were distracted, and
Speaker 3: she was like, what are you talking about, you know?
Speaker 3: And I turned to Jimmy's brother and I said, well,
Speaker 3: you were right there, and you said when, and I
Speaker 3: said just now, And what seemed like a split second
Speaker 3: for us was enough time for him to walk home
Speaker 3: and have eaten barbecue. What So there was this chunk
Speaker 3: of time missing that didn't make sense to me as
Speaker 3: a kid. I didn't think aliens again, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I just knew that when I talked about this experience,
Speaker 3: my body would tremble. Although telling it, I wasn't scared,
Speaker 3: but my body would tremble, my knees would shake, my
Speaker 3: voice would get shaky when I talked about it. And
Speaker 3: then I still close encounters of the third kind in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven, and that was the first time I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: that feels familiar, and I became obsessed. I also had
Speaker 3: these other weird experiences when I was really little, and
Speaker 3: this is really strange. Now, some of these memories started
Speaker 3: to come back because I had read about how people
Speaker 3: who have these experiences when they're little. Again, like my
Speaker 3: sister tried to think, oh, well, the alien's laughing at me.
Speaker 3: But when I was little, I used to wake up
Speaker 3: and run into my parents' room and I saw Peggy
Speaker 3: Lee or a woman that looked I didn't see. I
Speaker 3: knew that Peggy Lee or some a woman that looked
Speaker 3: like Peggy Lee was standing outside my window with two
Speaker 3: short Italian men. And the only reason I said they
Speaker 3: were Italian was because I grew up in an Italian
Speaker 3: Irish neighborhood. In Italian was sometimes spoken which sounded like
Speaker 3: Gibberish to me, and so these two smaller men were
Speaker 3: speaking Gibberish, which I interpreted as Italian. So they must
Speaker 3: have been Italian. But they were short, and this woman
Speaker 3: was had long white hair, dressed in white with big
Speaker 3: black sunglasses, And so I are they staring at you?
Speaker 3: Or I did never? I never saw them in my mind.
Speaker 3: I would get so frightened because I would in my
Speaker 3: head it was like I could hear them, and I
Speaker 3: knew that they were outside my window. But what I
Speaker 3: described to my mother, you know, if you when I
Speaker 3: look back, I think, well, the big black sunglasses, all
Speaker 3: dressed in white with long white is almost like Alienish
Speaker 3: with these two short ones, which is what my sister
Speaker 3: described as something that was shorter. And years later, when
Speaker 3: I read Communion by Whitley Striver, he described what my
Speaker 3: sister saw, and it was the first time I heard
Speaker 3: of this other type of alien that did more of
Speaker 3: the abducting. It was more of the worker. And it
Speaker 3: was the first time outside of my family and my
Speaker 3: neighbor where I had ever heard of someone seeing exactly
Speaker 3: what they saw. So that really chilled me.
Speaker 2: So this experience that you had when you're walking down
Speaker 2: the street with your friend, do you think that you
Speaker 2: were abducted? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3: I do think something happened. And there was missing time
Speaker 3: years later when I had my accident when I was
Speaker 3: sixteen years old, and I talked about that accident.
Speaker 2: What's what's the accident story?
Speaker 3: Oh, I had fallen through a glass shower door and
Speaker 3: I did die and I mutilated my whole body and
Speaker 3: it was terrible and I was home alone.
Speaker 2: But wait, we're gonna have to get to that too.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that experience is obviously frightening. And when I
Speaker 3: would when I first started to talk about that, when
Speaker 3: after it happened, I noticed that my body and my
Speaker 3: voice would share in the same way I did when
Speaker 3: I talked about that live experience, and that I made
Speaker 3: a connection that something happened then that did frighten me.
Speaker 3: I just don't remember it, but my body remembered it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what if you got like hypnotized or
Speaker 2: like did I did do that once?
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, when I was in living in Manhattan in
Speaker 3: the cabaret worre doing my show, there was some people
Speaker 3: I had met the sky and he had had he
Speaker 3: had been in almost what had been a plane accident,
Speaker 3: and because he was so traumatized by that, the plane company,
Speaker 3: I guess, paid for therapy and while he was in
Speaker 3: therapy recovered this alien experience. I had nothing to do
Speaker 3: with this airplane accident, and so I had shared my
Speaker 3: experiences with this woman I knew from the cab world,
Speaker 3: and she knew this guy and said, oh, you should
Speaker 3: talk to him, And through all of them, I was
Speaker 3: hypnotized by this leading Bud Hopkins, that's his name, Bud Hopkins.
Speaker 3: I went to his home in New York City and
Speaker 3: he hypnotized me, and I didn't. I just was not
Speaker 3: feeling it. I didn't think anything was happening. I didn't
Speaker 3: get anything from this. The only thing I can say
Speaker 3: that I saw was I was looking down at one
Speaker 3: point and all I saw were what looked to me
Speaker 3: like baby babies or baby heads. And the other thing is.
Speaker 3: As I started to come out of it, it was
Speaker 3: as if I was lying down and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: something was beside me, and then whoever it was, their
Speaker 3: face came right down into my face. And I can
Speaker 3: only describe it as looking like a lizard person with
Speaker 3: yellow eyes, a very flat face with like scales, and
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure. I told Bud that, and he said,
Speaker 3: as I was coming out of this hypnotism, you will
Speaker 3: feel safe. You will go home and feel very safe
Speaker 3: and all of this, and I was like okay, and
Speaker 3: I left there, got back to my apartment. And this
Speaker 3: is very unusual for me because I don't vomit, but
Speaker 3: I could not stop vomiting after that. Yes, And I
Speaker 3: later learned that there are, you know, these lizard like aliens,
Speaker 3: and I've seen pictures drawn them that look exactly what
Speaker 3: I saw on that hypnotism thing, and I thought, I
Speaker 3: cannot believe that's exactly what I saw under hypnosis without
Speaker 3: ever having known about that worries.
Speaker 2: There's people, if you could get into hours of Internet
Speaker 2: conspiracies that totally celebrities, there's many celebrities are top you know, illuminati, and.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't go into any of that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I could tell you though, a story about my cousin,
Speaker 3: another cousin of mine who has since passed away, and
Speaker 3: she came to New York to tell me two things.
Speaker 3: One was that she loved gay men, and she wanted
Speaker 3: me to know where I came from and that it
Speaker 3: was gay men who took care of her during her illness.
Speaker 3: And she wanted to know that that that's what I
Speaker 3: came from, that gay people have this in them, and
Speaker 3: that I should always know that that we are caretakers
Speaker 3: and that we are special. And she I was just
Speaker 3: coming out, and so that was very powerful. And then
Speaker 3: the other story she told me was so unreal, and
Speaker 3: again she cried when she told me, and it had
Speaker 3: to do with one of these these lizard type shape
Speaker 3: shifting people. And this was in Washington, d C. And
Speaker 3: it was a very creepy story and it was very
Speaker 3: real to her.
Speaker 2: Can you tell it?
Speaker 3: I don't want to tell it because it's so unreal
Speaker 3: and it's her story and she's not around. But I
Speaker 3: can only say that it didn't involve someone that that
Speaker 3: where she worked in Washington, D C. She worked in
Speaker 3: a restaurant that cater to all of these very high
Speaker 3: powered men and whatnot. And this was not a man
Speaker 3: she knew, but he he told her. I'm basically telling
Speaker 3: you the story. He basically told her things he was sharing.
Speaker 3: The things aren't always how they appear. And this met
Speaker 3: and he apparently shape shifted and in front of her,
Speaker 3: and she'll never she it just shook her up so badly.
Speaker 3: So it's amazing what I believe. You know, it was
Speaker 3: real to her. It was so real to her, and
Speaker 3: she did not feel comfortable telling people. But because I
Speaker 3: was gay, she wanted there were things she needed to
Speaker 3: get off her chests before she died, and those were
Speaker 3: two of them, and she needed someone to know that
Speaker 3: that had happened to her.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Now this is our first ever two
Speaker 2: part episode because there was just she just gave us
Speaker 2: too much that we had to break it up. So
Speaker 2: we've got next week. Cocoa will be back and we
Speaker 2: will be listening to EVPs and hearing just maybe two
Speaker 2: more handfuls of her incredible stories, which I cannot wait
Speaker 2: for you to hear. And God, we even got some
Speaker 2: Reptilian story which we have not heard yet on the show.
Speaker 2: And I am very fascinated by reptilians. I had this
Speaker 2: idea one time that I was going to write this
Speaker 2: script about kind of like drag queens that are actually
Speaker 2: reptiles that are wearing like human drag, and it was
Speaker 2: called a reptile dysfunction. All right, anyway, thank you guys
Speaker 2: so much for listening. I am silly today. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I've had a long day. Thank you guys so much
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