1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky. 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm jooky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I'm gos. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Dead by Ross dresss Hey boo, it's me Ros Dress False. 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: I was looking in our Facebook group and there's a post. 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: Well there's. First of all, there's all kinds of creepy 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: doll posts, which are always a good time to look 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: at before bed. As I have just done, I will 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: be sleeping very soon. But I also saw something else 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: that I kind of regret reading because I'm home alone 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: and I'm scooed. But this isn't the Facebook group by 12 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: Roz dres Veales, and this post is from Callen. Callen writes, 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: I've been listening to the show since I got my 14 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: new job almost a year ago. I work in a 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: mental hospital. It gets really creepy, especially in the early 16 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: morning hours when the patients are sleeping. The building is old, 17 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: dark and quiet, perfect atmosphere for spooky happenings, though I 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: haven't experienced anything until a few months ago. I was 19 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: making the rounds through my section of the building and 20 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: went into the bathroom. A roll of toilet paper flew 21 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: off and hit my leg. I didn't think anything of 22 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: it and put the toilet paper back. As I turned 23 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: to walk away, the toilet paper hit me in my back. 24 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: What I didn't think anything of it because ghosts don't poop, 25 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: and I went about my day. A little while I 26 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: was in the dining room, I saw a woman standing 27 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: in the reflection of the window. I went to see 28 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: if she needed help, but there was no one in 29 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: the dining room. I decided to check outside. No one there. 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: I went back into the dining room and the same 31 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: woman was still in the reflection, only closer to me. 32 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: She was wearing all black and, in stereotypical ghost fashion, 33 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: black hair over her eyes. I worked for another hour 34 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: with her just staring at me. Later on, I was 35 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: in a currently unused wing of the hospital, completely alone, 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: no staff, no patience. I was walking past the padded cells. 37 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: The door to one of the cells started violently shaking, 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: with the handle spastically moving up and down, like someone 39 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: was trying to break the door down. I calmly exclaimed, yes, 40 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: I know you're here, HI, and the door stopped. I 41 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: haven't experienced anything else since, but three weird things in 42 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: one day was enough. Thanks for reading. Maybe I'll tell 43 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: you about the time I met a ghost family, or 44 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: the ghost who followed me as a kid and still 45 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: shows up once in a while. Oh my god, thank 46 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: you callin for contributing to my insomnia. Guys, I've got 47 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: Coco Peru on the show today, and if you don't 48 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: know Coco Peru, I highly recommend a google. Coco is 49 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: a drag icon and legend and one of these people 50 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: that I am so inspired by and so incredibly fortunate 51 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: to have as a friend. She's you know, she's one 52 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: of these people, the ones you know, I've had a 53 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: couple of them on the show that are these like, 54 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: you know, these friends of mine that I'm so just 55 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: so lucky to get to even say that. But they're 56 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: just these to me giants because they've been doing it 57 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: for decades and constantly, you know, reinventing themselves. You know, 58 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: I'm talking Jackie b Cherry Vine, Peaches Christ and now 59 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: we've got Coco. And I didn't know if Coco had 60 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: any ghost stories, but she is known for her storytelling. 61 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: She does all these storytelling shows that are fabulous if 62 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: you ever get the chance, and you know, I thought 63 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: I'll try her let's see if she's got one girl, 64 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: wind her up and let her go. She throws paranormal 65 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: stories left and right. Now, here's what I'm gonna say 66 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: about this episode. 67 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: We have not had. 68 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: Many alien stories this show. And you know, there's a 69 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: few reasons. I've kind of lightly addressed this before. First 70 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: of all, I haven't had many guests that have had 71 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: those experiences, so there's that. But also, you know, first 72 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: of all, the show is called Ghosted. I assume that most, 73 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: if not all of you probably also believe in aliens, 74 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: or at least like to listen to those stories. I 75 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: just I've just always been just kind of nervous to 76 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: make this show be an alien you know, all paranormal 77 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: type stuff. I mean, I like the idea of every 78 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: once in a while we'll throw in, we'll sprinkle in 79 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: an alien for you. To me, you know, I like 80 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: the spiritual realm. I like the spooky. I like the 81 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: slumber party feel, you know, I like the whoo. And 82 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: sometimes alien stuff to me becomes more about, you know, 83 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: the government's hiding things from us, which you know, I'm 84 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: not gonna say I disagree with, but I just don't. 85 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't want to. I just 86 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: don't want to cause you know, debates and and also 87 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't know much about aliens. To be honest, I 88 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: just I like to hear about them, though I know 89 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: that I just want to avoid being a conspiracy theory show. 90 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: So we're going to be hearing about them today because 91 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: Coco has had some experiences and uh, let's just do 92 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: it on with the show. Hello, my girlfriend, Coco, how 93 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: are you. 94 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Ross, how are you? 95 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 2: You know I'm doing okay, I'm doing I'm doing pretty 96 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: well for U for the circumstances. 97 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: Yes, I know, you know. I just wanted you to 98 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: know that I said yes to doing this because we're friends, 99 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: we know each other, and I think you're so talented 100 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: and hilarious. And then after I said yes, I thought, 101 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, I've never talked public, like really about 102 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: any of these sort of things, mostly because people think 103 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: you're crazy or making it up. But I couldn't. I decided, Well, 104 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: what the hell, everybody's got a story soon. 105 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know, part of the reason why I 106 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: started doing this podcast, like, let's see, maybe a year 107 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: and a half ago or so, is I want to 108 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: show the world that all kinds of people can have 109 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: these experiences, and it is a you know, safe space, 110 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: like this is a place where anybody that's listening to 111 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: this podcast is someone that either believes this stuff or 112 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: they've already heard I don't know, fifty plus people telling 113 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: these kinds of stories. So don't worry about feeling like 114 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: anyone's going that think you're crazy. 115 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: Okay, deal, But. 116 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: I was, actually I was so excited. I saw the 117 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 2: other day on Instagram that You're going to be doing 118 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: this show on Netflix. That sounds kind of like it's 119 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: right up my alley. 120 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: It's spooky, it is spooky, and I'm just so thrilled 121 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: to be a part of it, especially because the guy 122 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: who wrote it, HAMMERSH. Steele, includes LGBT characters in his 123 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: comic books with this whole underworld of demons and ghosts. 124 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: So it's just it's so right up my alley that 125 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: I auditioned for it, and I really really wanted it 126 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: simply because I thought he's so authentic as an artist 127 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: and he did what he wanted to do and he's 128 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: being rewarded. And years ago I have pitched something that 129 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: had that element to it, and as soon as I 130 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: got to that element of like this, you know, other 131 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: worldly paranormal stuff. That's where you could see people kind 132 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: of glaze over. They weren't interested. Really. Yeah, so I 133 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: feel like maybe the world has finally caught up and 134 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 3: this was sort of my I feel like it's a 135 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: nice little reward for me. 136 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: Well, the show's called dead Endia, right, and so are 137 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: you playing a demon or who do you play? 138 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: I play a character called Pauline Phoenix, and she's an 139 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: actress and it's sort of probably a takeoff on a 140 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: Dolly Parton type of person who's over the top, almost 141 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: like a drag queen, and who owns this park and 142 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: they're all all the attractions are based on her movies, 143 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: her TV shows, and her music. And so there is 144 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: one attraction that is a haunted house that just happens 145 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: to be a gate well gateway excuse me to this 146 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: other world. 147 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds so good. So it's like 148 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: Dolly would but kind. 149 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: Of like Dollywood. 150 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you so you believe in. 151 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: This stuff totally one, although I always have my moments 152 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: of complete doubt, so I flip flop back and forth. 153 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: But the way I explain it to others is that. 154 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: I don't care if people believe in it or not. 155 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: But for me personally, I've had these experiences, so I 156 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: know that it's true for me. And then on top 157 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: of that, I just think it's more fun to believe. Yeah, 158 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: of course, so that's the way I look at it. 159 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: I just think it's more fun. 160 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: I know. 161 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: I never understand the option of being like, no, it's 162 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: not real. I've decided it's not because I've never experienced it. 163 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: Why why why would you cut yourself off to that? 164 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: Right? But I grew up in a neighborhood in the Bronx, 165 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: so when people hear the Bronx, they have an image 166 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: of what they think that is. But I actually grew 167 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: up in the little seaside community called City Island. It 168 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: is a mile long and about a half a mile 169 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: at its widest, and it's this little you have to 170 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: drive over a bridge to get to it, and it's 171 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: very nautical, very old, and it was growing up very haunted, 172 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: and we grew up hearing stories about ghosts. So to me, 173 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: that was just something that's always been a part of 174 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: my life. 175 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: Like what was there, like like the urban legend place 176 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: that everyone knew was haunted or what was the what 177 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: were the stories? 178 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: Now? It was just you would hear little things here 179 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: and there about so and so's house, or she saw something, 180 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: you know, things like that. Within my own house house, 181 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: I believe there was a ghost. I sometimes think it 182 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: might have been my sister, who had passed away when 183 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: I was only three months old. She was fifteen so 184 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: and it was funny because I don't think we within 185 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: the family we talked about it much with each other. 186 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: But years later I found out that we all felt 187 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: that there was a ghost in the house. My father, 188 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: when he was ill, actually saw it standing in a doorway, 189 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: and what did you see? A female? He saw a 190 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: female form, although physically you couldn't really tell that it 191 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: was female, but he knew that it was. He just 192 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: knew it was a female, and across the chest there 193 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: was a prism of color, almost like a rainbow, and 194 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: he did not feel it was threatening at all. And 195 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: my father was very ill at the time, so we 196 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: all sort of felt like that might have been my 197 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: sister letting him know that she was looking forward to 198 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: seeing him. Maybe I don't know, but I had had 199 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: an experience in that house, and I was pretty old 200 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: when this happened, I was in my twenties. I was 201 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 3: nineteen at least when this happened, and I was at 202 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: home alone, sitting in our first floor, which is what 203 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: we called our basement, and we had two chairs that 204 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: faced a TV in the corner, and I was in 205 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: one chair and my dog was in the next chair, 206 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, above me, I heard someone 207 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: walking through the living room and I immediately freaked out 208 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: because I thought, Oh, my god, someone's in the house 209 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: and my dog. And if you own a dog, you 210 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: know that when they hear something or someone at the door, 211 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: or someone on the property, they run towards the sound, 212 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: and the stairs were right there to go upstairs, and instead, 213 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: she sat up in the chair, looking straight up through 214 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 3: the ceiling. And it was the first time I ever 215 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: saw my dog's hair stands up on her back, and 216 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: she was baring her teeth, just looking straight up through 217 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: the ceiling. And then the ghost walked through the living 218 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: room into the dining room, past the china cabin, and 219 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: as it walked past the china cabin at the glasses rattled, 220 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: and I came around the dining room table and walked 221 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: right to the top of the stairs, and I thought, 222 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, it's coming down the stairs, and I 223 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: was frozen in my chair. And then it did not 224 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: come down the stairs, and all of a sudden, I 225 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: could physically feel something leave. And then my dog just 226 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: curled right back up on the chair and fell back 227 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: to sleep. And I've heard so many stories like that 228 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: in my neighborhood. And my neighbor at one point had 229 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: told me about his family and he said, but you 230 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: can't tell my mother I told you this story. So 231 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: I of course marched right over to his house and 232 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: was like, your son just told me the story, and 233 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: I got to hear it from you. 234 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: But this is when you were a kid. 235 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: I was still a teenager when she told me this story. Yeah, 236 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: And basically they had moved in next door, but they 237 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: had lived in another house on the island, and the 238 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: island before it was taken over, it was inhabited by 239 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: American Indians, and so there were a lot of stories 240 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: about Native American ghosts on the island. And she would 241 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: be awakened by her boy, the one that told me 242 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: the story. But when he was little, he would wake 243 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: up and say there was an Indian face over his bed. 244 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: And they would just send him back to bed, thinking 245 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: he was dreaming. And then one night he came into 246 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: the room and he woke them up and he told 247 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: them again, there's an Indian face of my bed. And 248 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: when they looked, they could see standing behind him was 249 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: an actual Indian this time. And then the Indian turned 250 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: and walked out, and they followed it, and they went 251 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: out into the backyard and they were standing in their 252 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: backyard watching several ghosts doing some sort of dance in 253 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: their backyard, and their next door neighbors were standing in 254 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: their backyard watching the same thing. And what made it 255 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: so real to me is that when she told the stories, 256 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: she started to cry, and for me, that's always a sign, 257 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: and just the details of what she described as well, 258 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: and also the embarrassment she was embarrassed telling the story. 259 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: So I just grew up in this very haunted neighbor. 260 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: But one of my favorite stories is our neighbor her 261 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: husband haunted her house. He had died in his forties 262 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: and she used to see him all the time walking 263 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: around the house and she said it was like he 264 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: was in a movie. He never tried to connect with her, 265 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: he never even acknowledged her he would be sitting in 266 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: a chair, he'd be walking down a hallway, but she 267 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: saw him all the time. One point, she had put 268 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: this that house up for sale and was having a condominium, 269 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 3: bought a condominium that was still being built, and then 270 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: the condo was finished, she was moving in and still 271 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: hadn't sold the house. So she decided to rent it. 272 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: And she was telling me. One day she said, oh yeah, 273 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 3: and the rent called me and they said, Anne, we 274 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: had to ask you a question. Yes, did you ever 275 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: see a man in the house? And Anne said, no, 276 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And they said, well, there 277 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 3: is a ghost in this house, and he's a man. 278 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: They described her husband, and then said and we see 279 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: him all the time. And Anne said, no, I never 280 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: saw that. And so I said, Anne, how could you 281 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: lie to them like that? And she said, I got 282 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: to sell this fucking house. 283 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: Well. It sounds like what they call a residual haunting, 284 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: where it's sort of, you know, like a record playing 285 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: over and over again, a spirit that sort of in 286 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: the same routine that it would have been in while 287 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: in the living, so not necessarily as opposed to like 288 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: an intelligent haunting, where it would actually react to you 289 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: and yes. 290 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: To me, that's what she said. It was like a 291 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: movie and she could see in Clara's day. It wasn't 292 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: like what my father saw, which was sort of fuzzy. 293 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 3: It was like she was looking at him, except that 294 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: she could see through him. But if well, physically, it 295 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: was all there. But my cousin Donna had an experience 296 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: in New Orleans and that was definitely a ghost that 297 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: was interacting with her, but was doing a routine that 298 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 3: that woman had probably done in her life. 299 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: What do you mean what happened to Donna. 300 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: Donna was staying in a hotel in New Orleans with 301 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: her husband, who was on a business trip, and she 302 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: woke up and in the corner of the room in 303 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: a chair, she saw something glowing and then all of 304 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: a sudden, that glow took on a form and it 305 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: was a It was a woman, and the woman came 306 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: over to the side of her bed, stood above her, 307 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: looking at her physically, took the blankets, lifted them off 308 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: of her, and then tucked them around her chin. And 309 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: she was just laying there, frozen in fear. Although she 310 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: did feel that the ghost was not doing anything that 311 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: was harmful, is actually caring and so she told her husband. 312 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: Her husband thought she was crazy. So the next night, 313 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 3: she's sleeping in bed and wakes up, looks over at 314 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: the chair. The glow is there. She starts to see 315 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: the ghost taking form. She at this point closes her 316 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: eyes because she doesn't want to see it again. But 317 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, she did feel the blankets being 318 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: lifted off of her, brought up around her neck and 319 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: tucked around her neck. And that was They only stayed 320 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: there two nights, so she was happy to get added there. Yeah, 321 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: when she told me that story, she also had that 322 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: reaction of starting to cry. So she told that story 323 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: through tears, which made it so real, and so she 324 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: was so vulnerable when she was telling the story. That 325 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: to me, that's always a sign that a person is 326 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 3: really telling you the truth, or they're getting chills, or 327 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: they get stuck on certain details about the experience. And 328 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: what was funny about that that was that her son, 329 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: who later went on to become a scientist, and he's 330 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 3: very very smart guy, he never believed in anything paranormal, 331 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: and he would make fun of his mother and she 332 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: would get really upset about that because it was so 333 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 3: real to her, and she didn't want to be shamed 334 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: for the experience, but her son was japan in the 335 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: ass teasing her about it, and years later, when he 336 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: was in college, he had a UFO experience. So he 337 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: later told me that experience and said, I know exactly 338 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: what my mother went through. All those years I made 339 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: fun of for, my brother, made fun of for my father, 340 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: made fun of her, And now I've had something unexplainable 341 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 3: happen that most people don't believe me. 342 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, where did he see a UFO? 343 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: Actually, I know we're talking about ghosts, but my stories 344 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: in my family have more to do with UFOs. 345 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: Honestly, we very rarely talk about them on the show, 346 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: not for any specific reason. They just don't come up. 347 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: But I think most people that believe in ghosts believe 348 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: in UFOs because I mean. 349 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: That was more. That was more of my family's thing, 350 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: was these weird, weird stories about UFOs. He saw a 351 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 3: UFO in Vermont while he was in college there and 352 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: they were driving in a jeep, I think it was 353 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: a jeep and him and his friends and it was 354 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: nighttime and going down this road with trees on either side, 355 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, over them was this what 356 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: he described as such a big craft he couldn't see 357 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: the ends of it. Oh my god, he said, looking 358 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: straight up at it. It was so full of lights, 359 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: and it was so far down, just hovering over the treetops. 360 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: No sound, but so full of lights. He felt like 361 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 3: he was looking up at a city because it was 362 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: so big, and it just hovered over them and they 363 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: just were under it. And then it went up so 364 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: fast that it was literally felt like a second and 365 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: it was gone. And when he got back to his dorm, 366 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 3: they were telling people. And then I think someone in 367 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: the dorm said, oh, well, did you talk to so 368 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: and so because they were in another car with another 369 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 3: group of people and saw the same thing not far 370 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: from where you saw it. So those two groups of 371 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: people talked and they had all shared the same experience 372 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: that night. 373 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: Oh that's validating. But see, there's it seems that there 374 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: are families. And again I don't know much about UFOs 375 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: compared to ghosts, but there are From what I hear, 376 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: there are certain families that seem to be targeted by UFOs, 377 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: like decade after decade, their families have all I don't 378 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: know why. I don't know how it happens. But is 379 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: that the kind of thing that happens in your family? Like, 380 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: are there multiple stories? 381 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: I think so. The story that I grew up hearing 382 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: before I had my own experience was my sister. And 383 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: this is really creepy. And maybe you saw a video 384 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: Jack Plotnik did where he kind of stole this story 385 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: and used it for one of his little videos. So 386 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: now I haunt him with photos of aliens and whatnot, 387 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: try and scare him. But my sister, I was a baby, 388 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: and my parents had traveled out to San Diego to 389 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: visit my aunt and uncle and took me with them, 390 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: and my older sister, not the one that passed away, 391 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: and my other older sister and my older brother were 392 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: still at home, and my sister had just gone to 393 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: bed in the third floor floor, which is an attic 394 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: that had been converted into usable room with a bathroom 395 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 3: and two bedrooms and whatnot. And so she's in her 396 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 3: bed and literally had just crawled into bed. It was 397 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: summer and the window was open, and she rolled over 398 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: and she swears that standing there in her room, and 399 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: my sister is not. If you met my sister, and 400 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: people out of my sister, she is not very creative 401 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: when it comes to this kind of I mean, you 402 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 3: know what I mean, she's a house, you know what 403 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: I mean. She's just not one of those people. And 404 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: standing next to her bed was this little being with 405 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: very large arge eyes. And she now, we're accustomed to 406 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: the gray alien that everyone that is not what she described. 407 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: What she described was something that had more of a 408 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: bluish tint to its skin. But what she became fixated 409 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: on when she would tell the story is that what 410 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: it did with its mouth and its mouth it opened 411 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 3: up into what looked like an O, and then that 412 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: o just grew larger. And as that was happening, its 413 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: head started to rock back and forth from side to side. God, 414 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 3: so she thought it was she in human terms, her 415 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: brain is freaking out while at the same time trying 416 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: to make sense of what she's seeing. And so she's 417 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: thinking that it's laughing at her because the mouth is 418 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: looking to her like a big grin, although it wasn't 419 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: a grin. It was a perfect Oh, my head is rocking, 420 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: So she's thinking it's laughing at her. But she screamed. 421 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: It scurried out of the room into the next room, 422 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: and my brother was on the first floor thought she 423 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: was being murdered. The scream was so horrifying, and he 424 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: flew up the stairs and of course said, you're dreaming, 425 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 3: You're dreaming, and that was the end of it. But 426 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: what had happened was a few weeks later, when my 427 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: mom my parents came home, another neighbor of ours called 428 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: my mother and said, Helen, I have to talk to you. 429 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: I think I'm going crazy, and my mom said, what happened? 430 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 3: She said, well, you know, I've got the five kids, 431 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: and I forgot the laundry out on the line during 432 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: the day, so I remember it, and I went out 433 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: at night to pull it off the line, and as 434 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: I'm standing there, I look over and standing in my 435 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: yard was this little person thing and had these large eyes, 436 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 3: and then she started to describe to my mother what 437 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: it was doing with its mouth, and then how its 438 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: head started to rock back and forth. And my neighbor 439 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: put her laundry back into her basket and just walked 440 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: in the house, thinking I'm going to forget about that, 441 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: and of course she couldn't. She reached out to my 442 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 3: mom and my mom said, oh my god, Susan described 443 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: the same thing, and they figured out that they had 444 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: both seen that thing on the same night. So I 445 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 3: grew up they were they were talking, you know, Oh 446 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: it was a leprechaun, you know, they would laugh about it. 447 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: It was a Martian man. There was in I grew 448 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: up in the late in the late sixties and seventies, 449 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: so the whole, that whole alien UFO culture wasn't something 450 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: talked about. There was no Internet. You know, Martians were 451 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: a fantasy thing things she's on bugs. But it wasn't real. 452 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: It wasn't talked like it is nowadays. 453 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 2: What do they think? Why do they why did Why 454 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: do you think it might have been an alien? I 455 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: mean it could have been some kind of I mean, 456 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: it certainly seems like some kind of paranormal creature, but 457 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: I mean it could have been all kinds of things. 458 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 3: Well, the only reason I think it was an alien 459 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: was because, well, I'll tell my story now, okay, which 460 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: was years later, when I was probably about eleven or twelve. 461 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: I was with my friend at the end of our 462 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: street on a tennis court under in trees, walking back 463 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: to my home where my parents and his parents were 464 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: having a barbecue, and his brother was in front of 465 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: us towards the other end of the tennis court, closer 466 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: to us, but walking in the same direction as us, 467 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: towards my home, and I remember I was talking. I 468 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: remember I was looking at my foot in my hand 469 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: as I was, you know, my head was down as 470 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Jimmy, and all of 471 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 3: a sudden we were enveloped in this bright light, and 472 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: I was frozen. And I had enough time to be 473 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 3: looking at my hand and my foot and seeing the 474 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: glower going around my fingers and it being more intense 475 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: and then sort of spreading out, and I had enough 476 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: time to think, I'm frozen and I can't talk. And 477 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we were both walking. I 478 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: was no longer speaking, and his brother was no longer 479 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: in front of us. And I said to Jimmy, did 480 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: you just see what I saw? He said that light 481 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: and I said yes, and I said I couldn't move. 482 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: He said either could eye. So we both ran home 483 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 3: and were telling our mother's and I remember my mother 484 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: was cutting up a watermelon and they were distracted, and 485 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 3: she was like, what are you talking about, you know? 486 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: And I turned to Jimmy's brother and I said, well, 487 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: you were right there, and you said when, and I 488 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: said just now, And what seemed like a split second 489 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: for us was enough time for him to walk home 490 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: and have eaten barbecue. What So there was this chunk 491 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: of time missing that didn't make sense to me as 492 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: a kid. I didn't think aliens again, I didn't know that. 493 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: I just knew that when I talked about this experience, 494 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: my body would tremble. Although telling it, I wasn't scared, 495 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 3: but my body would tremble, my knees would shake, my 496 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: voice would get shaky when I talked about it. And 497 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: then I still close encounters of the third kind in 498 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven, and that was the first time I thought, oh, 499 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: that feels familiar, and I became obsessed. I also had 500 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 3: these other weird experiences when I was really little, and 501 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: this is really strange. Now, some of these memories started 502 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 3: to come back because I had read about how people 503 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: who have these experiences when they're little. Again, like my 504 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: sister tried to think, oh, well, the alien's laughing at me. 505 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: But when I was little, I used to wake up 506 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: and run into my parents' room and I saw Peggy 507 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: Lee or a woman that looked I didn't see. I 508 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: knew that Peggy Lee or some a woman that looked 509 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: like Peggy Lee was standing outside my window with two 510 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: short Italian men. And the only reason I said they 511 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: were Italian was because I grew up in an Italian 512 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: Irish neighborhood. In Italian was sometimes spoken which sounded like 513 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: Gibberish to me, and so these two smaller men were 514 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: speaking Gibberish, which I interpreted as Italian. So they must 515 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: have been Italian. But they were short, and this woman 516 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: was had long white hair, dressed in white with big 517 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: black sunglasses, And so I are they staring at you? 518 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: Or I did never? I never saw them in my mind. 519 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: I would get so frightened because I would in my 520 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: head it was like I could hear them, and I 521 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: knew that they were outside my window. But what I 522 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: described to my mother, you know, if you when I 523 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: look back, I think, well, the big black sunglasses, all 524 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: dressed in white with long white is almost like Alienish 525 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: with these two short ones, which is what my sister 526 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: described as something that was shorter. And years later, when 527 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: I read Communion by Whitley Striver, he described what my 528 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: sister saw, and it was the first time I heard 529 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 3: of this other type of alien that did more of 530 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: the abducting. It was more of the worker. And it 531 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: was the first time outside of my family and my 532 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: neighbor where I had ever heard of someone seeing exactly 533 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: what they saw. So that really chilled me. 534 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: So this experience that you had when you're walking down 535 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: the street with your friend, do you think that you 536 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: were abducted? Is that what you're saying? 537 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: I do think something happened. And there was missing time 538 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: years later when I had my accident when I was 539 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 3: sixteen years old, and I talked about that accident. 540 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: What's what's the accident story? 541 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I had fallen through a glass shower door and 542 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: I did die and I mutilated my whole body and 543 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 3: it was terrible and I was home alone. 544 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: But wait, we're gonna have to get to that too. 545 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: But anyway, that experience is obviously frightening. And when I 546 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: would when I first started to talk about that, when 547 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: after it happened, I noticed that my body and my 548 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: voice would share in the same way I did when 549 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: I talked about that live experience, and that I made 550 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: a connection that something happened then that did frighten me. 551 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 3: I just don't remember it, but my body remembered it. 552 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what if you got like hypnotized or 553 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 2: like did I did do that once? 554 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: Okay, Now, when I was in living in Manhattan in 555 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: the cabaret worre doing my show, there was some people 556 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: I had met the sky and he had had he 557 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 3: had been in almost what had been a plane accident, 558 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: and because he was so traumatized by that, the plane company, 559 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I guess, paid for therapy and while he was in 560 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: therapy recovered this alien experience. I had nothing to do 561 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 3: with this airplane accident, and so I had shared my 562 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: experiences with this woman I knew from the cab world, 563 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: and she knew this guy and said, oh, you should 564 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: talk to him, And through all of them, I was 565 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: hypnotized by this leading Bud Hopkins, that's his name, Bud Hopkins. 566 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: I went to his home in New York City and 567 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 3: he hypnotized me, and I didn't. I just was not 568 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: feeling it. I didn't think anything was happening. I didn't 569 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 3: get anything from this. The only thing I can say 570 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 3: that I saw was I was looking down at one 571 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: point and all I saw were what looked to me 572 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: like baby babies or baby heads. And the other thing is. 573 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: As I started to come out of it, it was 574 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 3: as if I was lying down and all of a sudden, 575 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: something was beside me, and then whoever it was, their 576 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 3: face came right down into my face. And I can 577 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 3: only describe it as looking like a lizard person with 578 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: yellow eyes, a very flat face with like scales, and 579 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 3: I'm not even sure. I told Bud that, and he said, 580 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 3: as I was coming out of this hypnotism, you will 581 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 3: feel safe. You will go home and feel very safe 582 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 3: and all of this, and I was like okay, and 583 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: I left there, got back to my apartment. And this 584 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 3: is very unusual for me because I don't vomit, but 585 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 3: I could not stop vomiting after that. Yes, And I 586 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 3: later learned that there are, you know, these lizard like aliens, 587 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 3: and I've seen pictures drawn them that look exactly what 588 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 3: I saw on that hypnotism thing, and I thought, I 589 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: cannot believe that's exactly what I saw under hypnosis without 590 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 3: ever having known about that worries. 591 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 2: There's people, if you could get into hours of Internet 592 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: conspiracies that totally celebrities, there's many celebrities are top you know, illuminati, and. 593 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: I don't I don't go into any of that. I mean, 594 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 3: I could tell you though, a story about my cousin, 595 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 3: another cousin of mine who has since passed away, and 596 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 3: she came to New York to tell me two things. 597 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: One was that she loved gay men, and she wanted 598 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 3: me to know where I came from and that it 599 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 3: was gay men who took care of her during her illness. 600 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 3: And she wanted to know that that that's what I 601 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 3: came from, that gay people have this in them, and 602 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: that I should always know that that we are caretakers 603 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: and that we are special. And she I was just 604 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: coming out, and so that was very powerful. And then 605 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: the other story she told me was so unreal, and 606 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: again she cried when she told me, and it had 607 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 3: to do with one of these these lizard type shape 608 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 3: shifting people. And this was in Washington, d C. And 609 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: it was a very creepy story and it was very 610 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 3: real to her. 611 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 2: Can you tell it? 612 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 3: I don't want to tell it because it's so unreal 613 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 3: and it's her story and she's not around. But I 614 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: can only say that it didn't involve someone that that 615 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: where she worked in Washington, D C. She worked in 616 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: a restaurant that cater to all of these very high 617 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 3: powered men and whatnot. And this was not a man 618 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: she knew, but he he told her. I'm basically telling 619 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 3: you the story. He basically told her things he was sharing. 620 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 3: The things aren't always how they appear. And this met 621 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 3: and he apparently shape shifted and in front of her, 622 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 3: and she'll never she it just shook her up so badly. 623 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 3: So it's amazing what I believe. You know, it was 624 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 3: real to her. It was so real to her, and 625 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: she did not feel comfortable telling people. But because I 626 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 3: was gay, she wanted there were things she needed to 627 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 3: get off her chests before she died, and those were 628 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 3: two of them, and she needed someone to know that 629 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 3: that had happened to her. 630 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Now this is our first ever two 631 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: part episode because there was just she just gave us 632 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: too much that we had to break it up. So 633 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: we've got next week. Cocoa will be back and we 634 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: will be listening to EVPs and hearing just maybe two 635 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: more handfuls of her incredible stories, which I cannot wait 636 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 2: for you to hear. And God, we even got some 637 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: Reptilian story which we have not heard yet on the show. 638 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: And I am very fascinated by reptilians. I had this 639 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: idea one time that I was going to write this 640 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 2: script about kind of like drag queens that are actually 641 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: reptiles that are wearing like human drag, and it was 642 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 2: called a reptile dysfunction. All right, anyway, thank you guys 643 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 2: so much for listening. I am silly today. I'm sorry. 644 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 2: I've had a long day. Thank you guys so much 645 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 2: for listening. And as always, please give the show five 646 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 2: stars on Apple Podcasts. And if you have a ghost story, 647 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: you could leave it there or you could leave it 648 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: in the Facebook group Ghosted by Roz Dressfuls. If you 649 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: want to be in a listener episode, please email me 650 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com and put in 651 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 2: the subject line listener episode. I love you all, both 652 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 2: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to 653 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: haunt me, don't haunt me. 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