1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Batcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: and I'm Serena, and we are here to recap the 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise finale. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: I feel like it's been a minute since we did 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: an episode recap. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels that way. 7 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Since before Thanksgiving. I think I. 8 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Can't believe Paradise is over. 9 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: I know it is crazy. 10 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm already looking forward to next season. 11 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: I know Joey's season. The teaser looks really good. I'm excited. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh you know what I saw what I mentioned to you. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Johnny wasn't there from last year. 14 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't go back as well. 15 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: I thought about that during this finale. I don't know 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: why I didn't think about it all during the season, 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm kind of shocked by that. 18 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: Maybe next year, maybe you never know. 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, should we Uh? How you feeling? You're feeling good? 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: I feel good. I feel good. 21 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: I feel like there was a lot of episodes I 22 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: actually really loved in this season. The finale wasn't my 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: favorite episode of the season, but I feel like there's 24 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: still a lot to talk about. 25 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think we knew the finale wasn't going to 26 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: be like over the top because none of this couples 27 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: were like super strong and that I think that's what happens, 28 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: and that's why there was so many entertaining, entertaining episodes 29 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: mid season, because people were just kind of. 30 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: Like dating everyone money around. Yeah, it made for a 31 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: good like mid season. Yeah, but the end, I feel 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: like I was like, I kind of know where things 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: are going here. The only thing the only couple that 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: I would say was really really up in the air 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: was Avin and Kylie. 36 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even the way it ended, it still kind 37 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: of ended a little up in there. 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll let's get into it all right. 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: So we started off five people went home in the 40 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 3: last episode of the Rose Ceremony, a lot of people, 41 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: and Mercedes and Jess are kind of like opening the 42 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: episode feeling kind of depressed. 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, almost like why are they still there? They probably 44 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: should have went home as well. 45 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like at this point in the season, 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: and usually what happens is if the person that you've 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: been dating the whole time and you break up, it's 48 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: kind of your cue to leave. Yeah, and I know 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: that both of them, like, you know, Jess had a 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: moment with Tanner and Mercedes had a moment with Jordan V. 51 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Well, I will say Mercedes and Jordan V. I would 52 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: I could see Mercedes sticking around over Jess because Jordan 53 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: V did just get there where Tanner has kind of 54 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: been there the whole time. 55 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: That's true, But at the same time, it's like you 56 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: have an idea that things are coming to an end. Well, yeah, 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought, Yeah, I agree. I think 58 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: it made more sense than Jess left. I think it 59 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: just took her the day to cut a process. 60 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it. 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: But when I was looking at her and Tanner, I 62 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: was like, I don't think anything's gonna go down here 63 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: on this beach for the two of you. 64 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Do you think if Tanner would have taken Jess out 65 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: instead of Cat when he first got down to the beach, 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: things may have been different. 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, potentially, But it's hard to know because it's like, 68 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: do they even actually have a connection Because Tanner's gone 69 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: for so many girls now, I can't figure out if 70 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: he actually has a connection with any of these girls 71 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: or he just is like really keen on finding his 72 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: person and is willing to like give it a try 73 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: with anyone he thinks is pretty do. 74 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 75 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: Like, is it I feel like he's not led like 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: connection first, He's like, let's give it a try and 77 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: let's see if there's a connection there. 78 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: Well, I thought him. I thought him and Davia had 79 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: what it seemed to be like a connection in that 80 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: me too. 81 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: When he dropped her in like a day. 82 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Well or maybe she dropped him. We don't know. 83 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: No, we do know, because she said in the episode, like, 84 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. 85 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: I thought we had a great date. 86 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, well then yeah, yeah, No, I didn't 87 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: really get that. I know he was interested in Jess. 88 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: I know Jess was interested in him. 89 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: And I think he was interested in her from the beginning. 90 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: I wish if we could go back in time, I 91 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: wish he'd taken Jess on that, yeah, because I do 92 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: think that things might be different, been different. 93 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, But unfortunately they both leave. 94 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: They both end up leaving. 95 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: Kat and John Henry get a date card. They go 96 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: on their paddleboarding date and kind of like open up. 97 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: Kat opens up. But the fact that she moved out 98 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: at seventeen. There's a lot of divorces remarriages in her 99 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: family and John Henry opens up about his struggles with depression. 100 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: So definitely, like they're having more serious conversations. 101 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting closer. They and they've touched on this 102 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: a bunch, I think, just during the season. But they 103 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: are both very different people, and I think that I 104 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: think that usually works at the beginning of a relationship 105 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: and then I think things get tricky. 106 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: I think some differences are good. 107 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: I think it's hard, like the whole thing opposites the 108 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: tract has been proven to like not work out, Like 109 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: you're more compatible with people you're more similar with. 110 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they're very different. 111 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: They have great chemistry, Like I really like watching them together. 112 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: They seem like they have a lot of fun. 113 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: They get along while they're like opening up and having 114 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: these deep conversations. It's just whether it's transferable into the 115 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: outside world. And it's been such a short amount of time, 116 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: Like more than anything, that is my biggest concern for 117 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 3: them is, like we have couples, like Aaron and Eliza 118 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: have been together since day two, even Kylie day two, 119 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: John Henry Ka happened together for like I don't know, 120 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: three episodes maybe. 121 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they seem stronger than Aaron being Eliza. 122 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: To be honest, they seem really into each other. Yeah, 123 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: they do. 124 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: Aaron being Eliza, I will say watching them during the season, 125 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: it's at that beginning it seemed like they were the 126 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: strongest couple. And then every single time they were on 127 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: our screen, it seemed like they were struggling. It seemed 128 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: like they were just constantly having the same conversation, and 129 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: it just seemed like it was Aaron B. Basically saying 130 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: like I like every step, like, I'm falling in love 131 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: with you. I want would you be my girlfriend? I'm 132 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: falling in love with you. I'm in love with you, 133 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: But like we never actually saw the love. 134 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I know what you mean. 135 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: Like we're seeing them express their feelings, but we're not 136 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: really seeing how they got there. Like I feel like, Okay, 137 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: they said they're falling, so they get a date as well. 138 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: They go on this like spiritual sweat house date and 139 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: they say they're falling in love with each other. But 140 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, how did we get here? Like I 141 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: didn't see you guys fall in love at all. 142 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: All we know is Aaron B knows that she likes 143 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: bacon in the morning. 144 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: Because and like eggs over hard scrambled or something like that. 145 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: And that's the only time we even see them together 146 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: is like in the morning and then when they have 147 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: a discussion at night, Yeah, which seems to just be 148 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: it always goes the same way. 149 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's hard, it's hard to get 150 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: engage that relationship. But I mean it does seem like 151 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: they're heading for engagement in this episode. Yeah, so Jess ends. 152 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: Up leaving, Mercedes leave, No. 153 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: Mercedes leaves, well, Mercedes hasn't left yet, but she doesn't 154 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: up believing. Yeah, Killy tells Avan she wants an engagement 155 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: and he does not. This consumed a ton of the episode. Yeah, 156 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: for good reason. It's like the main event of the finale. 157 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're I mean they've been together probably, yeah, 158 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: the longest besides Aaron being Eliza. 159 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they they haven't even and Kylie like she 160 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: went on a date with him day two she ended 161 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: things with well, and they've been just like ride and 162 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: steady the whole time. Like, I haven't seen them really 163 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: getting any fights. I haven't really seen them at all, 164 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: if I'm being totally honest, But they haven't got Actually, 165 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: they've been on two dates. Yeah, they had two one 166 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: on one dates because they had that double date with 167 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: Peter Yeah and Sam. 168 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 169 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: And I just feel like it's hard because they haven't 170 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: really like had any challenges or obstacles. But this is 171 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: kind of the first one that we're seeing is they 172 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: don't agree on how they want to leave Paradise. 173 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: Kylie wants to leave engage, Avan does not. 174 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like it's hard because I actually like watching it. 175 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not liking complete Like I'm not in disagreement with Avan, 176 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: because like what he's saying does make a lot of sense. 177 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: But like, in the same breath, you know what show 178 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: you are continuously going on, like this is your second 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: time around, Like it is about an engagement. So if 180 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: you guys aren't there yet, that's fine, but have you 181 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: taken the steps to get there? And like if Avan 182 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: came on the show and like doesn't matter how hard 183 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: he fell in love, if he was just always gonna 184 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: refuse an engagement, Like I guess that's okay as long 185 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: as his significant other always knew about it. And I'm 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: not sure if Kylie did. 187 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a feeling Kylie didn't know how against 188 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: an engagement even was until now and he didn't realize 189 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: how it was to her. I think they both thought like, yeah, 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: we'll figure it out, Like Kylie kind of wants one, 191 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: I'm not really into it, And now they're realizing they're 192 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: on like totally opposite spectrums. 193 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: See with that that I don't know if I buy 194 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: because Avan doesn't strike me as someone that would be 195 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: holding that in. He seems pretty open, Like it doesn't 196 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: seem like he was hiding that. 197 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: Like I feel like, so maybe she wasn't, because she 198 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: has expressed like she has just kind of agreed with 199 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: him in a lot of the discussions so that it 200 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: doesn't end up in a fight. So maybe like this 201 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: is the first time now that she's like really putting 202 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: her foot down on it and he's like, where is 203 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: this coming from? 204 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: That's what I think that I think that's more likely 205 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: the case. 206 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: I I don't there's a few things with this, So 207 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: like I agree with you in the sense that like Aven, 208 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 3: this is your second show. You know how the show ends, 209 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: you know they end in engagements. I don't think he 210 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: was open to an engagement on either time when on 211 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: the Botchhot with rachel Or on this and I don't 212 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: know if he ever would have gotten engaged on the show, 213 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 3: and it's kind of like this, you know, that's okay, 214 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: But it is a show for engagement. So you can't 215 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: be like shocked when Rachel wants you to propose, and 216 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: you can't be shocked when Kylie wants you to propose. 217 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, because these shows do end. 218 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: Engagement for sure, right, So with like you have to 219 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: be prepared to like have these conversations and like expect 220 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: that there's a chance the person you're dating is like, 221 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: I don't understand I'm here to get engaged and find 222 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: my fiance. 223 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: Unless Kylie was on the same page with him the 224 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: entire time, Yes. 225 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: Unless she wasn't being open about that, and now he's 226 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: feeling blindsided. At the same time, I think that you 227 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: can leave not engaged. But I think he's not being 228 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: fully honest in the sense he keeps saying to her, like, 229 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: I know you're the one. 230 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: I know I want to marry you. 231 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent, but I need to like experience 232 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: more with you outside of this. So what I'm hearing 233 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: is you're not sure, You're not one hundred percent, you're 234 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: like ninety percent, and you need to go out and 235 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: you need to spend more time with her to figure 236 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: out if you're one hundred percent. 237 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: And that's okay, that's I was gonna say. But that's 238 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty logical one. 239 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: That's totally fine. 240 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: I'm not judging her for that at all. But I 241 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: just think she because she at one point was like, 242 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: can you please just be like open and honest with 243 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: me about like why you won't propose if you're a 244 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: hundred like if you're so sure? And I wanted him 245 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: to just be like, honestly, Kyla, I'm not. I'm not 246 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: so sure. I'm not one hundred percent because if I 247 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: was one hundred percent, I would propose, and I'm not. 248 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: I need to go out and I need to have 249 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: more time with you. I need to experience more life 250 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 3: with you to know if you are my wife. 251 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 252 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I think she wanted to hear or 253 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: needed to hear. And I think that's what he needs 254 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: to say because I think that's how he feels. 255 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, No, I agree. I think if I 256 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: think we think that's how he feels, we don't know 257 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: how he feels, but. 258 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: He we're obviously speculating here. 259 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's what what he should have said. 260 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: And then we saw a little bit when Blake laughed 261 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: in the previous episode, but like, what the fuck is 262 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: up with Kylie and Blake? 263 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: It's it's he didn't recap last episode where she like 264 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: chased him out to the van. 265 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: But like, I didn't think to see like that one 266 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: I didn't think was well. I thought this episode when 267 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Blake came back and like all the girls talking about 268 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: it and she was so happy to see him and 269 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: she just misses Blake, that to me was weird. 270 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: I thought the van was weirder personally after. 271 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: All seeing all of it, Like if I'm even I'm 272 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: a little like well, but I mean, I don't know 273 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: what he knows, but it right. 274 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: And we don't really know, Like if this has been 275 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: the dynamic the whole season and even just doesn't have a. 276 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: Problem with it, I would have a problem with it. 277 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: If you ran out and chased another girl and was like, 278 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: please don't leave, stay for me, Stay for me, And 279 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: then Marian Kenny show up. 280 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: We're at their wedding and everyone's like, Joe, she's back, 281 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: She's here, and you're like, oh my God, I'd be like, 282 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: what is going odd? Yeah, like what am I missing? 283 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: Like I'm missing something like I feel like this is 284 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: not cool. 285 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: That was the way a part for me, it wasn't. 286 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcide was like, oh my god, Kylie, it's Blake. Yeah, 287 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: and she's like like so excited. 288 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So to me, that to me, like the wedding 289 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: part and like everyone being like, oh my god, Blake's 290 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: back for you. That to me was weirder than the 291 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: bus I kind of thought, or the van, like her 292 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: running up to the van, I like I kind of 293 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: got it if she was like. 294 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: Like just felt like if it was like everyone was 295 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: like is no one going to stop him? Or is 296 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: anyone going to go talk to him? Like she was 297 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: like I'll do it. I'll go like check on him 298 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: or whatever, see if he can stay or yeah. Yeah, 299 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: but the way she went about it felt like kind 300 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: of flirty. 301 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: No. Yeah, but that just could be her. 302 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that might just be like she might just have 303 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 3: a flirty personality and it could have Yeah, it. 304 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean she's like flirting with him, I guess, yeah, And. 305 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: It just could have been the situation. But I don't know, 306 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: like the whole the whole thing to me is. 307 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: It came out of like nowhere because we haven't even 308 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: seen Kylie and Blake like hangout, and now all of 309 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: a sudden we're seeing like these very like not Tom 310 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: but like close combos between them. 311 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 312 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: So then strange we have the moon rave and then 313 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: we have them have they have a little chit chat 314 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: and she asked for like advice on like what to 315 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: do Blake. Blake gives good advice, and Blake is definitely 316 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: like a girl's guy because I feel like a lot 317 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: of the girls have been asking for his advice. 318 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that was all pretty pretty stand there. Yeah, 319 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: and then we have what do we and the wedding, Well, 320 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: he's black because Kenny Amari from our season, yes got married. 321 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: They also just got married in real life as well, 322 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: a little paradise beachy wedding. 323 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: It was fun listening to Jesse like officiate their wedding 324 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: and hear all the throwbacks from your season. 325 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, wells walked. 326 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: And like for those that don't know, like Blake and 327 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: Kenny are actually very good friends in real life, so 328 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: it does totally make sense that he would have stayed 329 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: to be a part of that. 330 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: We saw like the the naked like bobblehead Kenny Murray 331 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: dolls in the cave. I'm sure they're going to start 332 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: selling bach nation dot com at some point, I know kicktopper, 333 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought I thought it was nice that 334 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: it was nice that they they got married there. It 335 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: seemed like it seemed like it gave some people on 336 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: the beach hope. 337 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: I think it does because you know what, like you 338 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: have said this before, seeing Dean and Kaylin on our season. Yeah, 339 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: at our finale, like when we did the purge and 340 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: the engagements was almost like reassuring because you're stuck in 341 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: this bubble and then to see these couples that are 342 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: from the outside world come and be like we met here, 343 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: we did what you're doing, and now we're. 344 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: Engaged, you're married or having kids or whatever it may be. 345 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, like this does work past this 346 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: point also, and I feel like for the couples on 347 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: the beach, it's like, oh wow, like they met here 348 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: and that could be us. 349 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: We could be getting married. 350 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I just with a lot of them though, it 351 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of just feels like they think that's how they 352 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,239 Speaker 1: should feel, so that's what they're saying. 353 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: You don't think anyone really feels that way. 354 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about this season. I 355 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe, but it. 356 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: Kind of Kylie feels that way, I'll tell you that. 357 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 358 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, So then Kylie and Even have it out 359 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: that night. 360 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: She ends up crying, he walks away. 361 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big scene. 362 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: That's it. 363 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: That's it. 364 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: That's how the night ends. You know, Marie and Kenny 365 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: danced the night away. Everyone looked like that a good time. 366 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, seemed fun. And then it's like, okay, it's the 367 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: end of paradise. We have to be real. We need actual, 368 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: real couples now. 369 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 370 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: So I see Jesse pull them all into the palapa 371 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, either you're head of for engagement, 372 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: you're one of the fantasy suites, or you're going home. 373 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. The Purge. I love the Purge. 374 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: It really is like you get like an inside look 375 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: into like everyone's relationships. 376 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well because there's no more, like you 377 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: just need a rose to get by the week. 378 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: It's not like okay, it's like do you like them 379 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: or do you not? 380 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: Like? 381 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: What are your intentions? 382 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're either you're taking this serious or you're not. 383 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, when did Mercedes broke up with Jordan V? 384 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: At some point? 385 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: I think it was at the Rave and leave though 386 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: before Yeah, he was like, yeah, all good. 387 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: She just said I love her, she was one of 388 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 2: my favorite people. She just said. 389 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: There isn't anything romantic. I could tell. This has been 390 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: weighing on you this whole time because we're going out 391 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: of chronological because we we we did not bet you. 392 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: The fact that Mercedes potentially she went home, well you. 393 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: Mentioned it at the beginning of the episode, you know, 394 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: but didn't happen until close to the end of the episode. 395 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: Mercedes, Mercedes goes Mercedes goes home. There wasn't anything romantic there, unfortunately. Yeah, 396 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: Jordan V's time has been short in Paradise, hasn't had 397 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: the best luck on this show. So they're gone. 398 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Bye. Okay, sorry the purge. 399 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to really try to lean into your out 400 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 3: of structure of this episode. 401 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: Keep going okay, no, I know you're leading the way. 402 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: I'm not. 403 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: I'm not leading the way. 404 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: You've taken the lead, and slowly as the episode has 405 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: got on, you're backing away from the lead. 406 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm backing away from what the leading the episode? Yeah, 407 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: because usually you lead the episode. I'm with the notes today. 408 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: Okay, so we will say, so, who's the first couple 409 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: they have a conversation after the Jesse. 410 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: We've got Aaron, Eliza, Avan and Kylie, Sam, Peter, Olivia, Michael, 411 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: Kat and John Henry. That's not the right order, but whatever, great. 412 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: So we see Kat and John Henry go first. It's like, yay, 413 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: we like each other. We're going no doubt. 414 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: Fantasy Sweet's great. Aaron and Eliza fantasy sweet great. 415 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: No surprises there, Avan and Kylie and Kylie. 416 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: Now we have basically we hear the same conversation again. 417 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: You know, Kylie like still wants it, Like she literally 418 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: says like I was up like praying last night that 419 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: like something would change his mind and he would propose 420 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: to me. She I wonder I would love to know 421 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: what is compelling her to feel so strongly about an engagement, 422 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: because do you think, like, I don't know, Like again, 423 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: this is just speculating. 424 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: I I obviously don't know. 425 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: But it kind of feels like she needs more reassurance 426 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: from Evan, and she's looking at the engagement as like 427 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: reassurance that he's not going to like break up with 428 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: her when they leave or like be over her when 429 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: they leave. Like I don't know, Like even doesn't strike 430 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: me as a guy who's like overwhelming with his like 431 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: showing how much he cares about someone, do you know 432 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: what I mean? 433 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think it's like part of the show, 434 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: the engagement, So like when you go on, you may 435 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: not really even think it's something that's realistic, and then 436 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: you get there and you're kind of in the bubble 437 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: and you're on this beach and you start really thinking 438 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: about in an engagement, it becomes like like something that 439 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: you could touch, like it's there, and it's like it's 440 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: like I am actually expecting this one. I didn't think 441 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't. And then she isn't getting and I and 442 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: I almost think she probably wants it more just because 443 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: even took it off the table. 444 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: He's just like no, yeah, like she's not even really 445 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: entertaining the idea. Yeah, So, and I think you're right, 446 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: like it's so close you can touch it. It might 447 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: feel like moving backwards, like leaving in a relationship when 448 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: it's like it's right here, like why don't we just 449 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: take that step? And I think she's someone that in 450 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: life is ready for that step. 451 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but unfortunately he didn't change his mind. And she 452 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: was like, well, if I want to leave with you, 453 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: I have to be okay with this. 454 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: I thought he handled the convo pretty well. 455 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 456 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: She was pretty like, it's going to be okay. I 457 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: promise you it's going to be okay. 458 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. They just left, like she just left up. Like 459 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: they left as a couple, but not a happy company. 460 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: No, no, no, they were not a happy couple. 461 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: So they didn't leave as a happy couple, but they 462 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: left as a couple. 463 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: They left in a fight, but together, yeah. 464 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Which is kind of the best you were going to 465 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: get from them, unless one of them caved. 466 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: Unless she decided like I don't need an engagement, or 467 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: he decided finally going to propose. I mean he he 468 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: asked the question I was waiting to be asked, which was, 469 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: if I don't propose to you, are we breaking up? Yeah, 470 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: which and she said no, And I was like, Okay, 471 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: there we go. That's what we've been all waiting for. 472 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the question we've been waiting for for. 473 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: The whole episode. Okay, So then we have Sam and Peter. 474 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: Sam and Peter, who seemed he seemed like he wanted 475 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: to potentially. 476 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, I think we'll continue. Things have 477 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: been going great, and she was like definitely not. 478 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, she seemed they did seem watching them that it 479 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: was more of a friendship. 480 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: I think they were they liked each other, but I 481 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: just think like they've been together long enough. There was 482 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: no like I'm falling in love with you or like 483 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna move to where you live in Canada. So yeah, 484 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 3: probably just wasn't gonna work out. 485 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think they made the best 486 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: and you could see she was upset, she cried a 487 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: little bit. But if it's not there, it's not there, 488 00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: you can't. 489 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's one of those like you got to 490 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: make a hard decision sometimes. Yeah, I think she made 491 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: the heart decision, but the right decision. And then Olivia Michael. 492 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: It would have been really nice to see Olivia walk 493 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 3: away in a relationship after everything she's been through this season, 494 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: and she's just been such like a prevalent character this 495 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 3: entire season. And I think her and Michael were a 496 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: good fit. I liked her with Michael probably best out 497 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: of everyone we've seen her with, But again, I think 498 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: it would just came down to timing. 499 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he just really just got there so late. 500 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: So for him, like, I mean, they could have been like, hey, 501 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: let's leave and let's see what happens outside of here. 502 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 503 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: No, I didn't think they were gonna get engaged, but 504 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 3: I thought maybe they would leave in like a let's 505 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: see what happens, let's keep talking. 506 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think for him, he's just kind of like, 507 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm a real list, Like we live in different cities 508 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: and I just don't yeah, care that much. 509 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: That is the thing with this show is like pretty 510 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: much everyone lives in different places. Unless you get very 511 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: very lucky and fall for someone that lives in your city, 512 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 3: you have to be a like really into the person 513 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 3: because you're not just gonna do like long distance with 514 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: someone that you're not serious about and be like willing 515 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: to do long distance most of the time, yeah, or 516 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: at least temporarily. 517 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: So then that leaves us just two couples left fantasy suites. 518 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: Everything looks like it's going well. 519 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 3: Cat and John Henry looking good, smooth, smooth sailing. Who 520 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 3: would have thought that wasn't like the most I would say, 521 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: her and John Henry have been the most smooth sailing 522 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 3: couple maybe this season, which is ironic because she's had 523 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: the most turmoil on the beach. 524 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd like them together. I mean, is it 525 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: going to work? 526 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: I like them together too, Yeah. 527 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean we see, we see that. So the overnight 528 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: goes well, Yeah, the Overnichael's great for Aaron and Eliza. 529 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: Aaron and Eliza say I love you to each other 530 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: in their overnight and then they say against they said 531 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: something along the lines against all odds. We made it here, 532 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: like something I wrote down, like they said against all odds. 533 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: And I just feel like we're missing things with their 534 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 3: relationship because the way they talk about their relationship is 535 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: like there's been a lot more of a struggle between 536 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 3: the two of them than what we've seen. The only 537 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: time we've seen like an issue is like the very 538 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 3: very like first episode where Aaron kissed Mercedes and like 539 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: went to Eliza and then when she went on a 540 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: date with John B. 541 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: That's it. 542 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: I would bet money that there was more of a 543 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: struggle there than what we saw. A because I just 544 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: think their relationship didn't progress as fast as I would 545 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: have expected to, and B just because of the way 546 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 3: they like speak about their own relationship. 547 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: It's like we. 548 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: Overcame so much, all the hills we had to climb 549 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: to get here. Today it's like, what did you do? 550 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: What happened between the two of you? 551 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: And honestly, every just everything we saw just seems so serfa. 552 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: And there's still like no certainty about an engagement between 553 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: the two of them, despite that they've been together like 554 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: this whole time. 555 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 556 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: So we get we get down to the palapa. We'll 557 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: do them first because they are first. And the weird 558 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: thing is Eliza doesn't doesn't say vows. 559 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't say a speech. It goes right to 560 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: Aaron B. I've never seen that happen before. 561 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: Get down on one knee. 562 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: He Actually, I think the big thing was he said 563 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 3: he spoke to her mom, because we do see her 564 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: saying like, I don't know if I can do this 565 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 3: family so important to me. Not having them involved would 566 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: be like really hard. And then Aaron B essentially like 567 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 3: opens the speech with like, spoke to your mom today. Yeah, 568 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: she's a lovely woman. And you see her kind of 569 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 3: like light up that they had a conversation. 570 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it yeah, they she says, yes, he hasked 571 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: her to marry him, and. 572 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: That's loved her dress. She looked amazing. 573 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: That's kind of there. There goes that. And then you 574 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: know what. 575 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: Like the review between the two of them, when she's 576 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: like we're engaged, she's like jumping. 577 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 578 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: That always just like takes me back to that moment. 579 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 2: It's like such a crazy feeling. I don't think I've 580 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: ever felt that. I'll never feel that, like again. 581 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: Crossing the finish line on Paradise. 582 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know, it is a level 583 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: of like ecstatic and like what have I done? 584 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: All bundled into. 585 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: One Yeah, and then you kind of look at the 586 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: other couples, like we had three couples or there was 587 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: two more couples, and we were all kind. 588 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: Of like whoa, whoa, yeah. 589 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we all just did that, okay. Yeah. And then 590 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: and then Cat and John Henry she says, yes, they 591 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: also get engaged. 592 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: They both give speeches. It's gorgeous. 593 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 594 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: Maybe, I don't know if there's ever been a faster proposal. 595 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: And when I mean by faster is like the length 596 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: of their relationship from the time they got together to 597 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: the time they got engaged was like days like so short. 598 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I mean, we'll see. I don't know. 599 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: I don't know that's going to work in the real world. 600 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean it could, it could. 601 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: I mean like Kat went through a lot in this show. 602 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: She had a major highs, major lows. 603 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: So like, I don't know. 604 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: I'm just someone that like always roots for happy ending, 605 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: you know, I always want to see the relationship work out. 606 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: And I do see chemistry between the two of them. 607 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: Well we see the where are they now? 608 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: They I love the where are they now? 609 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: Where are they now? So we'll start with Kat and 610 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: John Henry. They are still together, potentially going to move 611 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: to San Diego together. That's kind of all we know 612 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: as of now. They like I said, their their time 613 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: on the show has been pretty short, but they couldn't 614 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: make it. They could. 615 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, when Eliza and Aaron are not together, well that's 616 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: not what it's said. It said that they have had 617 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: some ups and down, some bumps in the road and 618 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: they're working on their relationship. 619 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: And those are those are the two couples. 620 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: And then we see those the two engaged couples. 621 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: Kylie are still to guy there, Yes, so that's good. 622 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: That's good. Maybe they actually worked worked it out in 623 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: the world. 624 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: I do think he was right when they were leaving, 625 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: and like he was very reassuring and like positive about 626 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: what was going to happen moving forward. 627 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: And I do think once she left and moved. 628 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 3: Past, if she was able to move past the fact 629 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: he didn't propose to her, I don't see why it 630 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: wouldn't work. 631 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 632 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I think they make sense and I could see them working. Yeah, 633 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: I could potentially see them eventually getting engaged. Yeah. Actually 634 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: that is like my one of my favorite lines on 635 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: the show. And I was like, I only want to get 636 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: engaged once. How many people are out there, Like I'm 637 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: going to get engaged multiple time? That's what I want. 638 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 3: I also just think, like, I don't know, if you 639 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: come on this show, like you have to be somewhat 640 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: of a risk taker, yeah, because getting engaged is such 641 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: a short amount of time. I'm like, getting engaged in 642 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: general is a risk, you know. Yeah, you just you 643 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: never know what life holds for you. But I'm like, 644 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 3: you gotta have a little bit like Okay, I actually 645 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: was thinking about this. So you worked in the stock 646 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 3: market for like five years, sure, and you like are 647 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: a big risk taker. I would say you like you're 648 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: a gambler. You live you like a good risk. 649 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 650 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: John Henry has the most dangerous job like known to 651 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: man or something like that, so he obviously also has 652 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: that sense of like adrenaline junkie like risk taker within 653 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: him that you have. 654 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: And I just think, like those. 655 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: Are the people that are like perfect to get engaged 656 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: on this show. 657 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, And like, just like 658 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: let's throw caution into the wind. I'm in love. I'm 659 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: not gonna listen to my gut, I'm gonna listen to 660 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: my heart. Let's do it well. 661 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: And also if the engagement doesn't work right, there's a 662 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: good chance you haven't even moved in together. 663 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: Yet depending but yeah, at this point. 664 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, and like, yeah, it sucks and 665 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: it's sex for both people, but like it's really just 666 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: like you give the ring back you break up. It's 667 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: not like it's harder to end an engagement or just 668 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: a relationship one that when there's a. 669 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: Normal timeline you'd been with them for like years, you 670 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 3: get engaged. 671 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we see we we see. 672 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: Braidens with Christina Mandrel Okay, and she's from who sees 673 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: she's from Zach season. 674 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she is the one that like wouldn't stop 675 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: talking about her one on one date and had some 676 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: beef with the girls. 677 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: But she has a daughter, okay. 678 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: And they looked really cute to be honest, they were 679 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: like hanging out on a bow at the beach. I 680 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: can see Braiden being like really good with kids, so 681 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: I'm happy for them. It was like they're like moving 682 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: in together. 683 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Which is that's the rumor. 684 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see, that's what we'll say. 685 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: So Brandon ends up with the strongest relationship off the beach. 686 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 3: Brand is the only one that's like literally actively moving 687 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: in with the girl he's dating. Yeah, and she wasn't 688 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: even there. 689 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I think. I think if if Kylie and Evan stay 690 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: together after everything that has aired, I think they will 691 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: potentially go the distance. 692 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: That's I wouldn't be surprised if they're like moving into 693 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: other soon. 694 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Out of all the couples out, that's that's where 695 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: I would go with it. 696 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: Yep. 697 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's it. That wraps the whole season 698 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: and Bachelor in Paradise. Thank you everyone for sticking with 699 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: us while we recap every episode and we won't be back. Well, 700 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: we'll be here every single week with exclusive interviews and 701 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: new people on this podcast. Podcast will be recapping the 702 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Bacheler's coming up pretty soon and then next year around 703 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: this time, we'll have another Bachelor in Paradise. 704 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: Wow, look at that. 705 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: Bye, and that's it.