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Speaker 1: Right after the first Super Bowl I interviewed with Bill.

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Speaker 1: That was a very interesting interview. How why never forget it?

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Speaker 1: The very first question he asked.

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Speaker 2: Me, Welcome to Games and Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're

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Speaker 2: Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find

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Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: covering the twenty twenty one Epic SEC Championship game between

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Speaker 2: College head coach Billy O'Brien. Fun episode, we get into

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Speaker 2: talking what it's like working with both Nick Saban and

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. Second time we've done that with a coach.

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Speaker 1: When Bill would come to see you as an assistant coach,

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Speaker 1: he would kind of stand in your doorway. You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even know that he.

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Speaker 2: Was there coaching a Heisman winner.

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Speaker 1: I will never bet against Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: And then we drop into the process of drafting a

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Speaker 2: slight dick quarterback and turning him into a receiver.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this because the night it was right

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Speaker 1: before the drive, basically Bill came down the hallways like hey,

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Speaker 1: through these beta tapes on my desk, and he say, hey,

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Speaker 1: watch this kid from Penn State.

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting for so long for someone to answer

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Speaker 3: this question the way he did.

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Speaker 2: And then we wrap it up with the old hot line.

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Speaker 2: You gotta stick around some funny questions.

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Speaker 1: Let's go go.

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Speaker 2: Games and Names is a production of iHeartRadio. December fourth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Mercedes Benz Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: A Vonta Georgia defense stands between Alabama and another SEC championship.

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Speaker 2: But Billy Oh, in that Bama offense roll time. This

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Speaker 2: is the TWEBC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: An you're the so is this that you live? This

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Speaker 1: is my house I lived really yeah, I lived here year.

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Speaker 2: I bought this in fifteen fifteen and then it took

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Speaker 2: me a year to redo it and then I still

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Speaker 2: own it, but I rented out. We use it for

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Speaker 2: this whenever I'm out back East. Most of your time

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Speaker 2: you're in I'm in La. Lily's out there, she's seven, seventh, seventh.

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Speaker 2: We just had a tear.

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Speaker 1: I followed I see you on insta Chat and all that,

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Speaker 1: like she's in chat.

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Speaker 2: Don't say insta chat, Billy yoh, you hate Bill with that.

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Speaker 2: Don't beat you know exactly if you're on it, you

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Speaker 2: know what it is.

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Speaker 1: Instagram. There we go, There we go, There we go.

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Speaker 1: I was saying it as a joke that we both know,

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Speaker 1: like he was just he's chomping at the bit to

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Speaker 2: I'm not chomping at it anyone's balls. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: go Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking

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Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty one SEC Championship game between the

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Speaker 2: bull Dogs of Georgia and Roll Todd Alabama. And today

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Speaker 2: we have a very special guest. We have Billy O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games in the name.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, guys, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming in. The first question we always

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Speaker 2: ask our guest is explain in one sentence why you

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Speaker 2: picked this game underdog.

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Speaker 1: We were an underdog in this game, and Georgia had

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable defense that year they in college football. They

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Speaker 1: had the best defense in college football. And you know,

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Speaker 1: offensively we were very good, but they had you know,

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Speaker 1: defensive line, linebacker, safety, and so it was it was

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Speaker 1: a challenging you know, preparation for that game, and to

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Speaker 1: that Alabama team at that time. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Now is this the greatest game of all time?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, this is not the greatest game. Well

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go ahead. We just had to good game.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, so uh Billy Oh is the head

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Speaker 2: coach of Boston College now wearing the hat, let's go.

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Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I should be an altar

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Speaker 1: Just they're still talking talking about when you came to

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Speaker 2: What was some of the messaging I forget he spoke about,

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Speaker 2: you know, just when he played and perseverance and his

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Speaker 2: I try to always emphasize routine to younger guys, no doubt,

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Speaker 2: So if you find that routine and get it in

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Speaker 2: that house camp in Boston College.

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Speaker 1: We've had a good camp. We we just finished camp

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Speaker 1: State this morning. It's been good. These kids work hard there.

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Speaker 2: you know, like we always had on the wall mental toughness,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, no, it's a great point. I mean, a

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Speaker 1: what's important is the process that that occurs before you win,

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Speaker 2: What was in the decision making process to go to

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Speaker 2: I mean you should have a passion. You grew up

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Speaker 2: What was football like in Massachusetts growing up? For a

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Speaker 1: His name is Brian Elward. He went to Brown with me,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's cool fingernail our workers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we And to segue that into BC recruiting

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Speaker 1: do a great job of recruiting this whole area because

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Speaker 1: take a lot of pride when you're from Boston, you're

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Speaker 2: I mean, some of the all time grades of BC

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Speaker 1: Had a tight end Patriots. We had a couple Boughs,

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Speaker 1: Wiggins Wigs from East Boston.

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Speaker 1: Yea Wiggins is from East Boston. Went to Georgia. I

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Speaker 1: think he transferred from Marshall to Georgia when Jim Donna

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Speaker 2: We saw him at the Brady Roast, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I think I saw him at the break Yeah, you know, Nico,

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Speaker 2: him involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I knew when I walked in here

435
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Speaker 1: that this podcast was going to go down a road

436
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Speaker 1: that maybe what are you talking about?

437
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I can ask the circumcised

438
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: kids in Philippines. You could ask the Pope for ten

439
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 2: million dollars to get your Catholic school very good.

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I can. Yeah, I don't even

441
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Speaker 1: know how to respond to that. I have to go

442
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: to Father Leahy first, he's the president of the university

443
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Speaker 1: then then maybe we can go maybe we can approach archdiocese.

444
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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, we'll figure it away. We'll figure it

445
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: out away. Now let's jump into the pros. You start

446
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: with the Patriots and seven. How did you first off,

447
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: get in the trust circle with Bill? Like, how do

448
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 2: you get this opportunity? Because usually Bill home grows his guys.

449
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 2: And you know the reason why I remember Chatty, Oh,

450
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: he was kind of an out of towner. Then you

451
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: can tell that at Baltimore Colts his dad was Chattio's

452
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: dad was the trainer, and that's where Bill got his thing.

453
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: So there was some kind of connection. What's your connection, Bill?

454
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Speaker 1: My connection was I was at Georgia Tech and there

455
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: was a guy named Jason Light who was a scout

456
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Speaker 1: at the time, a regional scout for the general manager

457
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Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now awesome guy. At that time,

458
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: he was like a regional scout in the South for

459
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. So he covered the a SEC and the SEC.

460
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Speaker 1: And I dealt with scouts a lot at Georgia Tech.

461
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: So when an NFL Scott would come in, I was

462
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Speaker 1: one of the coaches that would talk to him. And

463
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: so we got to know each other and happened to

464
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: be that he kind of lived near me too, and

465
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Speaker 1: so once in a while we go out for a

466
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: beer or whatever and talk about the Patriots. So at

467
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there was a quarterback opening

468
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: right after the first Super Bowl, and you know Bill,

469
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Speaker 1: Bill called and said, Hey, I'm going to interview for this.

470
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Speaker 1: It could be this job, you know, Bill is might

471
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Speaker 1: be for some other job, but I'm going to interview you.

472
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Speaker 1: And so I flew up the Providence and I in

473
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, right after the first Super Bowl,

474
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Speaker 1: and I interviewed with Bill in a like a law

475
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Speaker 1: firm in Rhode Island. A buddy of his had a

476
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Speaker 1: law firm in Providence, and that was that was a

477
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Speaker 1: very interesting interview at one, I'd say the first the

478
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Speaker 1: first I think the very first question he asked me

479
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Speaker 1: we got their shook hands. Hey, how you doing all that?

480
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Speaker 1: And then I went right to the interview. It was

481
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Speaker 1: in a like a you know, like a big staff

482
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Speaker 1: room type setup, glass doors. I'll never forget it. And

483
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Speaker 1: he said, all right, teach me the quarterback center exchange.

484
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Speaker 1: So right off the bat, I had to get up

485
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Speaker 1: and teach how quarterback takes it and we were a

486
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: shotgun offense. So I was just like, okay, Like I

487
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: figured it was going to be like, you know, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: teach me about this read on this play because he

489
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Speaker 1: had all he had all of our tapes. We had

490
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Speaker 1: watched a lot of games at Georgia Tech Games, so

491
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Speaker 1: it just kind of like boom. So I taught him

492
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Speaker 1: the quarterback center exchange to the best of my ability

493
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Speaker 1: at that time in my career. Yeah, and then it

494
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: was like, okay, empty you know, tell me about your

495
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: empty protection. And then it was like, hey, here's this

496
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: situation with the player. How would you deal with it?

497
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, players that's giving you some shit or whatever

498
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: it is, you know, how would you deal with this?

499
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: And then it was hey, how did you evaluate this

500
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Speaker 1: player at you know, one of your opponents. I forget

501
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: who it was, but you know, so there were some

502
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: really good players in the ACC at that time. Hey,

503
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: you what'd you think about this player? So it was

504
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: like a back and forth of you know, a lot

505
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: of different areas of football. That was one of the

506
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: best experiences very early in my career. So it's fascinating.

507
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Speaker 2: So at that time, I I he's hitting you with

508
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: so many different situations. We want to see, Hey, can

509
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: this kid teach me the most remedial thing? I want

510
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 2: to see how he teaches like a five year old

511
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: disc Yeah it was because a lot of these guys

512
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 2: are fucking five year olds when we come into that

513
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: locker room. Yeah, he just really athletic five year olds.

514
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Speaker 1: But it was. But I didn't so at that time,

515
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't totally remember what happened. But I didn't go there.

516
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I didn't take that job, but I.

517
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Speaker 2: But he didn't get the Center Exchange very well.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably. I actually think I interviewed pretty well,

519
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: but I whatever, it didn't work out, right, it didn't

520
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: work out. But then we kept in touch. We kept

521
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: in touch over the years and different jobs would come

522
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: open and he would say, like, you don't want this job,

523
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, or this isn't a job for you, or whatever.

524
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Speaker 1: And then I was at Duke and a quality control

525
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: job came up at the end of the two thousand

526
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Speaker 1: and sixth season, which thank god, because my two years

527
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: at Duke were two of the worst years you could

528
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: ever imagine. We were not a very good football team

529
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: at Duke. So they Bill had a quality control job.

530
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Speaker 1: So I went to the Combine and at that time

531
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Speaker 1: I had like three interviews. I had an interview with

532
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: the Saints would shown Peyton for a same type of job,

533
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: interview with the Texans Gary Kubiak for the same type

534
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: of job, and then an interview with Bill and Josh

535
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: McDaniels at the Combine that year for that job. And

536
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: this won't surprise you at all, but you know, the

537
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: Saints were gonna pay me like one hundred and twenty grand,

538
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: Texans about one hundred and twenty grand. And Bill was like,

539
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I can pay you fifty five. I was like, I'll

540
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: take that job. I was the idiot that took the

541
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: job for fifty five thousand dollars at the Patriots or

542
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And my wife looked at me, like

543
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: what because we were making better than that at Duke

544
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: And I said, this is a great opportunity. We got

545
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: to do this, Colleen, and she said, okay, we're doing it.

546
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Speaker 1: So we moved to New England. Oh wow, moved to Boston.

547
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Speaker 1: Nice wow.

548
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Speaker 2: He doesn't just get to Boston so you get let's

549
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: talk about that seven season. Oh man, you said, dealing

550
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: with a bunch of the situations are dealing with the player.

551
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: What was it like dealing with that receiver room when

552
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: you were the receivers coach when you have Wes Welker,

553
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: Dante Stalworth, Randy Moss, jab I mean, you guys had

554
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: a neglected, crazy cood group of receivers that probably how

555
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: did you like psychologically keep them all in? And is

556
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: it just that year they were all yeah?

557
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: So seven Nick Cassario coached him and then I then

558
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: then Bill Josh stayed as the coordinator in O seven

559
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: after he had a couple job opportunities to go, and

560
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: he stayed at the Patriots, and Bill moved Nick Cassario

561
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: up to upstairs with Scott Pioli and made me the

562
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach in O eight. So that was exactly

563
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: what you said. It was Moss, it was Jabbar, Wes obviously,

564
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean Dante. It was arguably like one of the

565
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: best receiver rooms definitely in the NFL at that time,

566
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Speaker 1: maybe of all time, you know what I mean, just

567
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: when you think about all those guys. But yes, the

568
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: thing that they they were Randy Moss right off the

569
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: bat was like awesome, like you know, because quite obviously

570
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Speaker 1: at that point in time, you know, this is a

571
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. He's seen a lot more than

572
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: I'd seen. He knew a lot more obviously, Tom you know,

573
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: worked with those guys a lot and they they they

574
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: told me one of the greatest early lessons in my

575
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: coaching career was walkthroughs. So Randy was like, look, man,

576
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: show us some film, show us what you you know,

577
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: what you think on film, maybe ten to fifteen minutes,

578
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Let's go walk through. And we would just we did

579
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: that every day. I'd show him some tape we'd talked

580
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: to him about dbs or coverages or route technique or whatever,

581
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: and then we would go and we would go right

582
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: outside the doorway to the you know, to the field

583
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: was that tunnel tunnel, and we would walk through, you know,

584
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: for about an hour, just receivers forty five minutes. So

585
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: it was. It was and they loved that because it

586
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: tested them and you could test them and.

587
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: It gets you out the room.

588
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: That gets you out of the room. We're football play.

589
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: You have fun with it, Yeah, you could have fun,

590
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: but you also get a mental rep. That's what you

591
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: get to do it and you get to walk through it.

592
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: So you're transitioning from what you learn on the paper,

593
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: to the walk through, to the drill, to the seven

594
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: on seven to the team like it's these guys design

595
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: it where it all translates to that and it's pretty cool.

596
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: That was That was the coolest thing for me because

597
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: to this day I use that as an example with

598
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: any young wide receiver coach I ever have on like

599
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: my staff or that I'm working with, I'm always like, hey, man,

600
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: tell them what you need to tell them, make sure

601
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: you get their questions answered, and then go walk through

602
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: and you know, hey, what are you gonna do? Are

603
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: you gonna convert this versus this roll corner? Are you

604
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: keeping this on versus you know, all the different things

605
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: as you know the leverage, like how you attacking this leverage?

606
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: And that was one of the early lessons that I

607
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: learned at the Patriots. Coaching the wide receivers was a great,

608
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: great experience.

609
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it goes also to you can't use your

610
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: athleticism or your knowledge of what the other team's doing

611
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: until you know where to line up and what you

612
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: are in the goddamn formation and a personnel group, right,

613
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Like that's half the battle for a lot of guys, right,

614
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, if you can digest that quick. Then you

615
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 2: you get to be able to study what's going on

616
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: the other side. That allows you to play faster exactly.

617
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: So when you do a lot of walkthroughs, which we

618
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: used to walk through for the walk through for the

619
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: walk through. By the time you know Billy oh was

620
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: you know in Penn State wherever he was in that time,

621
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Speaker 2: By the time I was getting up there, it was like.

622
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: We walked through to walk through to walk through. Guys

623
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: getting mad.

624
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: But you know, I look back on it and it's

625
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: the best thing for you because it's a rep Now.

626
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: Any any fun Patriot coach stories. We had Mickey D's

627
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: in here last night and he was telling us that, uh,

628
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: coach Scar used to you know, what is it narcolepsia

629
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: where you fall asleep a little and then it wakes

630
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: up doing sit ups in the middle of the coaching staff,

631
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: but doing sick like what we already heard ives you know,

632
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: he falls asleep a lot. What we got in the

633
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: inside fun stories? Any competitions with the coaches.

634
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Oh, we got a lot of We got a lot

635
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: of funny stories with the coaches. We would have like

636
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: so our I can remember early on in your your

637
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: guy CHATTYO. He loves this story. So we would come

638
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: back in from practice in the regular season and we

639
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: would basically watch with you guys, and then we would

640
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: go immediately when you get we were done with you guys,

641
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: we would go watch with Bill and we would watch

642
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: both sides. We'd watch everything, special teams, a whole thing.

643
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: So by the time that was done, it was probably

644
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: seven o'clock. So then we'd go eat dinner. So we'd

645
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: go in there and grab dinner, and then we'd come

646
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: back into the staff room and we'd listen to or

647
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: get ready for a third down or read area, whatever

648
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: day it was, right and Ernie, who's whose office? I

649
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: know you and Ernie are closed. I love Ernie too.

650
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: And he would go into his office which was right

651
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: across from the staff room, and he would call his

652
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: wife and describe what he just had for dinner. So

653
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: every day, every night he would say, they had you know,

654
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: they had turkey, they had mashed potatoes, there was some broccoli,

655
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: and then we had apple pie a la mode for dessert.

656
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: And so we would sit there every every night and

657
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: listen to Ernie talk about what he had for dinner.

658
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: And we put that and and and Chatty O started

659
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: to call our offensive staff room the general Store. So

660
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: we put the general Store up on the up on

661
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: the door there. And now we had a lot of

662
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good coach stories. I mean I

663
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: have many, so I can remember, like the quarterback meetings

664
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: when I first got there. So that was Tom Matt Castle,

665
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: who you know is one of the funniest human beings

666
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: of all time, up there with Matt light who Rich Ornberger,

667
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: like those three guys out.

668
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: But you're funny.

669
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: These are very funny, great sense of humor.

670
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: And so we would meet. As you know, Bill would

671
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: come in later in the week meet with the quarterbacks,

672
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: and early in the week go over the DB's and

673
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I think this was an early of the week meeting

674
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and Bill would take his shoes off and build it.

675
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: As you know, Bill didn't wear socks, so and at

676
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: that time, before the new you know, offices were set up,

677
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback meeting room was pretty small. So Bill I

678
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: would sit in the corner. I'd be like stuffed in

679
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: the corner. Josh was in the back, and Bill was

680
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: running the clicker, and Tom was over here, and Matt

681
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: was there and Matt Gutierrez remember those Kevin O'Connell and

682
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: so I remember this one meeting and Matt Castle was

683
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: like what is that smell? Like?

684
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 4: What is that smell?

685
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: And like nobody says anything, and we're all like Matt

686
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Castle he was the very he was the very funny

687
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: guy who didn't care about making anyone uncomfortable, you know

688
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he looked at it. He loved

689
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: making you and so he was like, no, no, seriously,

690
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: like what is that?

691
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Bill?

692
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Is that your feet? And Bill, I'll never forget this.

693
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Bill looked at him and goes Castle just shut the

694
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: fuck up. I was like, I was like, I was

695
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: like it was like my first year there, and I'm like,

696
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I'm witnessing this right now. But as

697
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: time went on, you could believe it because you know,

698
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: you spend you know, the thing is, I tell everybody

699
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: because people love my Patriots stories and I'm sure they

700
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: love yours. But you spend so much time together in profo,

701
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: especially in New England. Yeah, you're always together.

702
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there's very it's rare, especially like pre twenty eleven,

703
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, before the new CBA, you.

704
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Guys double days, doubled, you know, all those things, training camp,

705
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: the seasons long, you're a good team, you're going to

706
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, you're going to the play. You know,

707
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: so like you there's it's not all just like hey

708
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: on this player doing this. It's it's a lot of

709
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: like you've got to have humor. And if you don't

710
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: have humor, and you don't you don't have the ability

711
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: to laugh at yourself, you'll you've never met I've tried.

712
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: I've pitched it around so many times. The community like

713
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: an office style show for like the equipment room or

714
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: like an NFL football team, you know what I mean,

715
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: the equipment room guys, the training room guys, the coaches.

716
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: There's these little communities and like he said, we're like

717
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: Billy Oh said, we're always together for so long. You

718
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: have to find the funny moments to you know, help

719
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: you get through the process because it's fucking long. But

720
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: there's so many funny things in the camaraderie that you

721
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: get to go. And when Brady's retirement, Tom's retirement thing

722
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: that you.

723
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Know everybody was at you guys were there. You know

724
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: the thing that that I was reminded of there And

725
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I tell this to people at BC all the time

726
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: now it was really Look, you know, we had Tom,

727
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: we had Julian, we had Moss, we had you know,

728
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, all these great players, Will Fort,

729
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: you could name them all, right, you know, all these

730
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable players, but they were they were also like great people.

731
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: It's about the people and and the work ethic and

732
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: the intelligence and the the the ability to be a

733
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: great teammate and the humor and you know, it was

734
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: just it was a and that included the video staff

735
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: and the training staff, everyone equipment. There was just a

736
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Teddy Jared shout out. And Bill put put all those

737
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: people together. He really did. He put all those people

738
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: together during those years. And I'm just a firm believer

739
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: in that if you can, if you get the right

740
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: people together, you got a chance to win. You know.

741
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: That was that That was a fun reminder the Tom event,

742
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, just seeing everyone because we you see guys

743
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: and you'll see I'll come back and see you know, Teddy, Jared,

744
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Jimmy and all everyone in the building.

745
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: But when to see everyone in the same area, you

746
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: haven't done that in.

747
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: A very long time, and it was it felt like

748
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: home again, and it felt comfortable and it was all

749
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, it was fun to celebrate Tom, no doubt.

750
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: How was it coaching him? Yeah, no, I I so

751
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: basically I went from oh, wait, wide receiver coach, Josh,

752
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: Josh got the Denver job, and Bill, I'll never forget it.

753
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: We were my wife and I were going out to dinner.

754
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: We were we we lived in Midfield and we were

755
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: going to the to the mall, to California Pizza Kitchen.

756
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: It was like a place we would go and and

757
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: my phone rang and it's Bill and he's like, hey, listen,

758
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: uh you know, Josh is taking this Denver job. Listen,

759
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you the quarterback coach. But you know,

760
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: look I'm not gonna call you the coordinator, but you're

761
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna do all that like you're gonna do like just

762
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: so you know, like you're gonna script and you're gonna

763
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: do this, and you're and I'm like, okay, great. It

764
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: was like a two minute conversation. Look like Clay, Bill,

765
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All right, see you Monday, see you Monday.

766
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Hang up, boom, just keep going to California. I turned

767
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: to my wife and I was like, I think he

768
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: just said I'm the quarterback coach. So it was just

769
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: a great you know, that was a cool night for

770
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: my family and to have the opportunity to coach, you know,

771
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: obviously what we believe is the greatest quarterback of all time.

772
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: When he when he first he was out on the

773
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: West Coast and he came back for OTAs that year nine,

774
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: the year, the year. Yeah. He I'll never forget this.

775
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: He came in my office, he said, look, I want

776
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: to be coached. He's like, look, I don't want don't

777
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: waste my time, but I want to be coached. And

778
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: he was right about that, and I learned a lot about,

779
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, how he wanted to be coached, what he

780
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: wanted to know. Like I can remember one of my

781
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: first meetings. I was so prepared. I had this like

782
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: book of like computer reports, and I gave him this.

783
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, Tom, look at this book, you know, and

784
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: he's like, what is this. I want one sheet. I

785
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: want one sheet that me boom, boom, boom, first, second down,

786
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: third down, boom, fronts, pressures, red area, backed up to

787
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. And I was like, oh

788
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: my god. So but from that point I did the

789
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: one sheet and I used that one sheet to this

790
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: day for quarterbacks because he wanted to be able to

791
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: think quickly. He didn't want a big computer report. He

792
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: was a guy that if you showed him that you

793
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: could work with him like you you could take in

794
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: his input and show him that you could work together

795
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: to formulate a really good offense like then you were

796
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: going to have a great relationship. And I think that's

797
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: why he and I got along so well, because we

798
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: had our ideas and then he would come in on

799
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Tuesdays with his ideas and we would put those ideas

800
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: into with ours, and you know, I would put it

801
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: all together and then each night I would have to

802
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: email it to him. And so I don't know if Josh.

803
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: I think Josh probably do the same thing. But like

804
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, he went to bed early. So if it

805
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Tuesday night, for Wednesday morning, here's

806
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: the game plan by eight pm, here's the game plan

807
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: for third down by eight pm on Wednesday, you know

808
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: red area eight pm on Thursday. You know what I mean,

809
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: for the next day. But that forced you to work,

810
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: get your work done, and be prepared. And then he

811
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: would email back with Hey, I love this play. I

812
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: love this play. I don't really like this play. Hey,

813
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: what do you think about this play? And it was

814
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: just that type of relationship, you know, and coaching him

815
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: was it was awesome.

816
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: That's really cool to hear, you know. And people don't

817
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: realize Tom loves being coached. I mean, Billy Oh was

818
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: probably so overwhelmed jumping into that thing because when I

819
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: got there, they are like, they already had three Super Bowls. Yeah,

820
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: they were already the Patriots, and that was like and

821
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: I remember seeing him throw for the first day and

822
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is.

823
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: My fucking throw, you know what I mean? When he

824
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: was throwing, he threw.

825
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: Through a two hole shot to Randy or something and

826
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Randy light handed like and like didn't even have his button,

827
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: chin trap buckle like, and it just they looked like

828
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: a They looked like pro A one. And to hear

829
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: that he liked to be coached is awesome. I mean,

830
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: to the point where you coach where you guys are

831
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: damn near fish fighting on the sidelines.

832
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, Billy Oh, can we get into that what

833
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: happened there?

834
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: No?

835
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Hold on, now, I mean you were at practice, you

836
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: know how practices are once again, going back.

837
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: To you're really like brothers. You really are with your

838
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: with your assistant coaches. Sometimes you just want to slap

839
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: the ship out of your brother exactly.

840
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: So like you know, you can remember practices like I

841
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: when when Bill would you know, make us use the

842
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: headsets or whatever, or we wanted to use the headsets

843
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: to practice for the game, and so you know, I'd

844
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: be pressing the button and it wouldn't be like it

845
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: would be screwed up, and maybe I'd be yelling at

846
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Donnie Brocher and Tom would be out on a field

847
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: like you gotta press the button.

848
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: You're not pressing the button. You're not pressing the button.

849
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: I took the whole thing and like remember that day

850
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: and threw it at him. I'm like, you've pressed the button.

851
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm pressing the button, and thing's broken.

852
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: You know.

853
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: So these little fights they went to the innerc remember

854
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: then they went to the walk. But I mean, these

855
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: little things would come up.

856
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: And so in that game, we Dion had gotten hurt,

857
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: and like leading up to that game, late in the week,

858
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: and we signed Taekwon Underwood, who now is like the

859
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: receiver or he works of the receivers now. We signed

860
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: him late in the week, and we were driving the

861
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: ball and somebody else got hurt. So Taekwon had to

862
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: go in and we ran branch and he had the incut.

863
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: He was the X and he didn't run a great incut.

864
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: He kind of faded and uh, Josh what's his name

865
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: in the corner for the Redskins undercut it. Tom kind

866
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: of looped it in there. So we come over to

867
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: the sideline and Tom's you know, ripping Taekwon and I

868
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: can't remember.

869
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Wes like all right, man, like let's move on, like

870
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: we you know, basically like we we all just got

871
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 2: to move on. Well, we were frustrated because we weren't

872
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: moving the ball all that game, Like there's a lot

873
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: of shit that goes up on the sideline.

874
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: So then it just became I don't want to get

875
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: into all that was said, but like, hey, Tom, like

876
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: basically like you need to shut the f up. We

877
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: got to move on now because Grossman's driving the ball,

878
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna possibly go to overtime. And you remember who

879
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: intercepted the pass to end the game was MAO, Yeah,

880
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I was playing defense week. So but anyway, so he

881
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: said you want me to shut you shut and then

882
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: it was just like to fifteen year olders, like just

883
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: yelling shut the f up, back and forth to each other.

884
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Came over.

885
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now that was the brilliance of

886
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Billy Oh because he he liked to fire guys up.

887
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: And we all knew Tom liked to be fired up

888
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: because we all know Tom plays better pissed off. Like

889
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: that's the that's the truth. And you know there's a

890
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: lot of those Jedi mind tricks that I think that

891
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: happened over there to piss him off because he played

892
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: better pissed off.

893
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we it didn't you know? You remember?

894
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: And the next day, no one happens. It happens over

895
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: game day is like a battle day. And I don't

896
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: like making the comparison to the guys that do it,

897
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: but you know, shit happens next day, you don't you

898
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: You see him at the coffee line?

899
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Eye, how was you? How's the wife? You don't even remember?

900
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: I remember? Move on?

901
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember the Brian You remember our rookie skit,

902
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Me and Hoyer And it was me and Hoyer being

903
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: you and and uh Tom, Billy billy Oh loved yelling

904
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: at me, and motherfucker loved yelling at I had.

905
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Julian, can I just tell them? So Julian. Basically, Bill

906
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: came down the hallway one I'll never forget this. It

907
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: was the night, it was right before the draft, and

908
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Bill had three beta tapes in his hand and he

909
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of like when Bill would come to see you

910
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, he would kind of stand in

911
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: your doorway. You wouldn't even know that he was there,

912
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: and you'd look up and go, oh, there's Bill. You know, hey, Bill,

913
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: what's up? And so he's like, hey, through these beta

914
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: tapes on my desk and he's like, hey, watch this

915
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: kid from Kent State. He's places quarterback in these you

916
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: know these these games was Ohio State, it was b

917
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: C and it was one other big team, Iowa State,

918
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: some other school that he had played while he was there.

919
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: And he's like, don't and evaluate him and don't come

920
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: back and tell me he's a quarterback. Like he's not

921
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback. This is you know, just watch this guy.

922
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: So we I know you ended up, but anyways, so

923
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: you watch him and you know not to you know,

924
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: denigrate anybody. But the offensive line wasn't always blocking for him,

925
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: and he's breaking five tackles just to gain five yards.

926
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: He's got great playing strength, very competitive. So I wrote

927
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: up that I thought he could be a safety, you know,

928
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: obviously a slot receiver, and uh, I thought he could

929
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: play running back too, So then I wrote that up

930
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: in Bill and other guys did too. I actually think

931
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: Jason Light was the one that kind of like was

932
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: pushing it, you know, behind the scenes and so so

933
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: so then he sent Ivan out and I think Scotti

934
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: o to work you out at different times. Different times. Yeah,

935
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: so you know Scotti oh return kicks, you know, you know,

936
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: see if he can catch up on all that. I

937
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: think he did all. And then I even did running

938
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: back drills and.

939
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Little receivers more. It was out of the backfield. I

940
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: even put me up on the board.

941
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I thought, I was.

942
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: I had my coach come teach me about my scat

943
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: protections and stuff, you know, just to give me put

944
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: me up there.

945
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, they ain't coming to get me.

946
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: So then then he and this is I tell this

947
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: story all the time because I love this guy. I mean,

948
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: he's like incredible. So so then we get to the

949
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: draft and it's you know, I think it was a

950
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: three day draft. Still at that time, and so it's

951
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: a late and so Bill's like, you know, we're gonna

952
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: draft gentleman. I'm like, oh, and we're gonna make him

953
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: a receiver. So we're just gonna keep him at receiver,

954
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: teach him receiver. We're gonna teach him how to return punts,

955
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: be on special teams. And so he showed up and

956
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: it was it was I'll never forget this. And Tom

957
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: was hard on rookies, and I was hard on rookies too,

958
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean I really was. But like it was Welker

959
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: in the like when you did routes on air, it

960
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: would be Welker, who was incredible, Julian who was learning,

961
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: and then Buddy Farnham. Wasn't it Buddy Farnham or wasn't

962
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: he the third guy? Baby? I don't know, but there

963
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: was another guy, and Buddies from my hometown. So I

964
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: just want to stick his name in there to get

965
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: andover mentioned a little bit. And so so West would

966
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: run the route, and tom would throw West the ball. Yeah,

967
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: and Jewles, I mean you'd step up and run the

968
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: route basically the same exact way that West rent the route,

969
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: and and Tommy would be like Jewels I mean, didn't

970
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: you just see how West did it and you'd say,

971
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing it the same way. I'm doing it the

972
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: same way. But you know what, over time, he's stuck

973
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: with it and stuck with it, and he got better

974
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: and better and then returned punts and and he was

975
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: hurt a lot when I. He had injuries when I

976
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: was there, and so he became Julian Edelman kind of

977
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: like after I left. But I mean in the two

978
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: thousand and nine wild card game, we got we got drilled.

979
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: He was the best player on offense. I mean, he

980
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: made a bunch of plays in that game. And we

981
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: came in after that game and said, like, this guy's

982
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a great player for us. You know, but

983
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: I think you had like broken arm.

984
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: Maybe.

985
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Trading camp I played with them, but just a great

986
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: story of the resilience and just sticking with it and

987
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: one day at a time all that you live that.

988
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it was it was a it was

989
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: a grind, yeah, you know, like like the coaches felt

990
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: like we heard from Josh and now Billy.

991
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Oh, it's tough to coach there.

992
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: You know, when you're a young football player and you're

993
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: being evaluated everything you do, you don't really know what's

994
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna You know, you're playing the numbers game. I remember

995
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: Billy O came up to me after I housed a punt.

996
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: I house my first preseason game, Billy I had a

997
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: pretty good game. I opened the game with the tackle

998
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: on kickoff house to punt, and I had Tom's first

999
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: catch out of his a c L year.

1000
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of nerves.

1001
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: There was a lot of nerves going to that game

1002
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: because you know, it was the first time Tom was

1003
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: seeing live bullets. You know, there was a little extra

1004
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: going into it. And the next week, you know, I

1005
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: feel like I got a little clout I had. I

1006
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: had a couple of plays, I sprained my ankle and

1007
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: then I was out for three weeks, and so I

1008
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: didn't know and I didn't know if I did enough

1009
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: to make the team. And so it's cut time. Billy

1010
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh comes up to me. He goes, man, it's cut time,

1011
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a tough.

1012
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: One or something like that.

1013
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: But then but then he would give me a nugget

1014
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: in like in the in the meeting, he would say.

1015
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Now you need to listen up.

1016
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: We could have a four ye package in your you

1017
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: know what he knows. But then after even know you cut,

1018
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: time's coming, man, just keep your phone on or something.

1019
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: Don't ever get comfortable as a coach or a player.

1020
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: But I do, like I do use obviously you as

1021
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: an example all the time of like staying with it,

1022
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: whether it's overcoming an injury or you know, learning how

1023
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: to play a new position or resiliency or you know, no,

1024
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: never feeling entitled. You know, arguably, you know you have

1025
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: a shot to be in the Hall of Fame because

1026
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: of your playoff stats and so like that's a lot

1027
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: of that you played with a great quarterback, but you know,

1028
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: all most of that credit has to go to you

1029
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: and your work ethic and what you did. And I

1030
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: think that's something that young players. That's what I'm saying

1031
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: to the BC guys. That's why it was so important

1032
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: when you came and talked to them, because those guys

1033
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: are all like, oh my god, that's Julian Edelman. And

1034
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: and you know, knowing you when you were a rookie

1035
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: and then what you became is you know, it's a

1036
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: great story. It was a hell of a rise. Yeah,

1037
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: no doubt.

1038
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break.

1039
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1040
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: This is a segment where we go back into time

1041
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: around December fourth, twenty twenty one and go over pop

1042
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: culture and stuff we see and Kanto.

1043
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: You ever seeing Kanto? We don't talk about Brew. I don't.

1044
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Bruce Rings, Bruce Springsteing, your Bruce guy,

1045
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: the Boss, he sells his The Boss.

1046
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I read his biography. I did to

1047
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: read that. This is a great book. You read that

1048
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: when you read I know anything about the music back

1049
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: catalog though, sorry, I apologize it, I mean the Paul

1050
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Rudd is.

1051
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: But like Paul Rudd, he was the sexiest man alive.

1052
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: Good for him.

1053
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: God, Jason Kelsey was at like last year's Wild Right,

1054
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: it's a widespread we.

1055
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: Gotta go Kelsey. They just signed did you see today

1056
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: when they signed one hundred million dollar podcast with Amazon

1057
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: for three years?

1058
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: Hunter mel You guys have an awesome podcast, Billy, Oh,

1059
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: that's do you.

1060
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Know anyone on Amazon? You know anyone on Amazon?

1061
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 7: We'll give you a Finders Feet the check fifteen fifteen.

1062
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: What was life like for you in twenty twenty one?

1063
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: First year in Alabama, first year with the young quarterback,

1064
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: great quarterback.

1065
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was at the Texans for about seven

1066
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: years and then got fired and coach Saban called me

1067
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: around Christmas time. They were getting ready to play Ohio

1068
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: State in the national championship game. Max Jones was was

1069
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback of that team and Starkesian Sark was getting

1070
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: the Texas job, so he said, hey, Sarks getting this

1071
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: Texas job, would you be interested? So I went there,

1072
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: hung around for a couple of days while they got

1073
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: ready for a house state and I was like, yeah,

1074
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: this would be a great opportunity. And when you get

1075
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: fired as a coach, as a head coach, I'm sure

1076
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: Josh probably alluded to this a little bit. When you

1077
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: get fired, you think you have like a lot of friends,

1078
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're and then you get

1079
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: fired and you're like, you don't really have a lot

1080
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: of friends, you know what I mean, Like the same

1081
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: hand and the you and you figure out who your

1082
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: true friends are. And coach Coach gave me a shot

1083
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: to be the coordinator there and that was a great

1084
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: experience for me and this team and coaching that that

1085
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: guy Bryce Young was a great, great deal for me.

1086
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: It was awesome, you know, I liked I like to

1087
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: call it Saban's coaches rehab clinic. Yeah, for like guys

1088
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: that need to get a little springboard back.

1089
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little springboard.

1090
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know former Flash Kent stayed alone. Shout

1091
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: out yes, Nick Saban. You know it was a big

1092
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: saving podcast. What's the difference between working for a guy

1093
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: like Bill and working for a guy like Shaban? Probably

1094
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 2: a lot of crossover. But how are they different?

1095
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there definitely is. You know, there's some definite crossover

1096
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: as you would imagine fundamentals, situation, football, different things that

1097
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: you would be familiar to you, but very different people.

1098
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: Very different people. You know. Nick. Nick's very very organized,

1099
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: almost like I would say, almost like machine like drill

1100
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: sergeant like like meetings or you know, if this meaning's

1101
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: gonna start at seven thirty, it's starting at seven thirty,

1102
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, and the next meetings starting at ten thirty,

1103
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: and the next you know, the practice is gonna and

1104
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: the practices are basically the same, so the players know

1105
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: what to expect on a Tuesday, on a Wednesday, on

1106
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: a Thursday, like, there's no, there's not a lot of deviation.

1107
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: I think that has a lot to do with why

1108
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: they won there. And then the recruiting philosophy, like was

1109
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: very like Nick Saban recruited every single day of the year.

1110
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: He did something in recruiting. Every three hundred and sixty

1111
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: For Christmas Day, he was doing something in recruiting. Wow.

1112
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's how he was brought up.

1113
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, his dad brought him. He would talk about

1114
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: his dad a lot owned a gas station in town

1115
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: and was very organized. And you know, and I think

1116
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: that that that is something that Nick learned at a

1117
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: young age and he carried it over to his coaching

1118
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: career Bill. You know, working for Bill, you know, things

1119
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: can change. You gotta you know, a schedule might change,

1120
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: a meeting time might get bumped. You know, you just

1121
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: have to You're gonna work. You know you're gonna work.

1122
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe not quite as like Boom boom

1123
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: boom structured all the time as as Nick was. But

1124
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of similarities you know too,

1125
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: with both those guys. That's crazy.

1126
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Now what you're you're coaching the SEC at this time,

1127
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 2: in this specific game.

1128
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: You're in the A C C.

1129
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: Now what do you think about all this conference realignment?

1130
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think yeah, we're going Yeah, where we're going

1131
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, the SEC and the Big ten are

1132
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: definitely from a financial standpoint there the top two. There's

1133
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. The ACC is still in a

1134
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: decent position though. Get a shot at the Yeah, the

1135
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: play teams exactly twelve teams, and we still have an

1136
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: ESPN contract through like two thousand and thirty I think,

1137
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: or might even be thirty five, so we have you know,

1138
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: there's still some good things for the ACC. Those two.

1139
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: I think eventually, Jules, I really think that there will

1140
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: be what I would call like four I don't know

1141
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: if you want to say super conferences, but like four

1142
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: Division one conferences, you know, based on I think eventually,

1143
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, b C. Pitt, Syracuse. I would even say,

1144
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: like Rutgers. I don't know if this will ever happen,

1145
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: but like these teams that are kind of regional rivalries,

1146
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: they should all be in a in the same conference.

1147
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you could come up with twelve teams

1148
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, you know, Duke, like those teams should all

1149
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: be in the same conference. The SEC would be the SEC.

1150
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: And because to have like in the a CC.

1151
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: Now you've got Stanford got Stanford, and cal we got

1152
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, are you gonna recruit those Cali kids, not

1153
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: the ACC.

1154
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: We we do go out to California. If there's a

1155
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: b C connection. There's a lot of BC alums out there.

1156
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: We recruited California big at Alabama. That's you know, Bryce

1157
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: is from modern day and and uh we recruited there,

1158
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, recruited California a lot. There man a lot

1159
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: of talent there, Jackie. This break down. These teams start

1160
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: with the Georgia Bulldogs.

1161
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 7: Shl we get into the Dogs, all right. This was

1162
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 7: this was a heck of a Georgia team. Vaunted defense

1163
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 7: as we were watching earlier in the state insane. This

1164
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 7: was the sixth year of the Kirby Smart era. We

1165
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 7: got Todd Monkin, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens. He

1166
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 7: was the OC Dan Lanning who was now the Oregon

1167
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 7: head coach. He was running that defense. Uh and the

1168
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 7: defense was allowing just six point nine points per game,

1169
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 7: running through their schedule, winning every game by double digits

1170
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 7: except for Clemson back in Week one, winners of the

1171
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 7: SEC East. And then I mean just a team full

1172
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 7: of future NFL players. You got Brock Bowers, George Pickens,

1173
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 7: the Kobe Dean, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis. It was like

1174
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 7: the the Eagles Triple A.

1175
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: Team for a while there. I mean, just insane.

1176
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: You talked about Alabama being an underdog.

1177
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: To Alabama and I haven't. Yeah, no, we you you

1178
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: definitely knew that Georgia come into that game. They had

1179
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: a great team. You know, Jackie just read off all

1180
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, you know a lot of those

1181
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: guys are in the NFL now, and you know, I

1182
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: felt like going into that game, we had a really

1183
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: we were at full strength. So we had two really

1184
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: good receivers, Jamison Williams plays for the Lions now and

1185
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: John Mechi who plays for the Texans. You would have

1186
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: loved Mechi. Mechi was a just a very tough good hands,

1187
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: could play all over the place. And so we had

1188
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: good we had and they complimented each other really well.

1189
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, Jamo was a shot guy and Mechi was

1190
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of the underneath guy. And we had a good

1191
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: tight ended play for the forty nine ers now a

1192
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: lot too. You know, we have some good We had

1193
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: some good linemen and then we had Bryce. So Bryce

1194
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: was you know, obviously not the biggest guy, not you know,

1195
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: if you looked at measurables and things like that, he

1196
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: might not be the first pick. But when you watch

1197
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: him play and you coached him, and you saw how

1198
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: smart he was and how he could anticipate and made

1199
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: great decisions and could you know, signal guy because he

1200
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: saw he had a pro mentality playing the position. Yeah,

1201
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: and he was a fun, very very fun guy to coach,

1202
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: and he you know, he was a big obviously a

1203
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: huge part of why we won that game.

1204
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: Now we'll jump into Alabama's roster in a second, but

1205
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: talking about Bryce, we were kind of like what we

1206
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier with Drake May. You know, you

1207
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: can't just put a guy in there that doesn't have

1208
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: the line, that doesn't have anyone to throw to. And

1209
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: I felt like that's kind of what he was thrown

1210
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: into last year with the situation. Is there some hope

1211
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: for this kid if they get some guys around him.

1212
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: You still believed he could play in the league.

1213
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know me, like I love the players that

1214
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: I've coached, I will never bet against Bryce Young. He

1215
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: meant so much to what we did there, and you know,

1216
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: we won twenty four games there. We lost four games

1217
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: in two years there with him as the quarterback three

1218
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: of those four. On the last play of the game. Yeah,

1219
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: you know this guy, like you know, he threw for

1220
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: five hundred yards in that game that we're talking about.

1221
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was awesome. And you know, I

1222
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: think it's exactly what you said. Like for a guy

1223
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: like Bryce, he's got to have good protection. Look, if

1224
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: he has to throw hotter, he has to redirect the protection.

1225
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: He understands how to do that, but he's got to

1226
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: he's got to have, you know, guys that can protect.

1227
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: And then he's got to have you know, at least

1228
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: two guys to throw to ye and a tight end

1229
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: I think a tight end. And then obviously, like I

1230
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: always say, for these young quarterbacks, if they can have

1231
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: a decent running game, man, that can help you where

1232
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to rely on this guy to throw

1233
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: fifty times a game, like you know, if you can

1234
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: balance that off by being able to run the ball

1235
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: and throw the ball kind of balanced, you know, that's

1236
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: that's a that would be a huge asset to a

1237
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: guy like Bryce.

1238
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, And you talked about tight end and they had

1239
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: the Brock powers on Georgia. He was really good but

1240
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: they say, they say he's Gronk two point zero until

1241
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: he really did you see that photo of Gronk next

1242
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: to him?

1243
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, no, there's no I would never

1244
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: compare anybody to Gronk. Gronk's best tight end ever played.

1245
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: Can you can you explain? We heard Gronk's version of

1246
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 2: his draft day visit?

1247
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Can you give? So we we brought him in and

1248
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: he had had back issues. So Bill brought him in

1249
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: basically to get his back looked at. And uh, Stoops

1250
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: was the head coach at Arizona at the time, and

1251
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Bill had a good relationship with him, and Stoops was

1252
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: really vouging for Kronk, you know, like, hey, this guy.

1253
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: And so we it was myself and Brian Ferrence. We

1254
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: took him into the team meeting room and uh we

1255
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: were showing him some tape and then we taught him

1256
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: a couple of plays and then we had him stand

1257
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: up and he was like, you know, we were teaching

1258
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: him how to triple block and you know block down

1259
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: on a six technique and you know single block. I

1260
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: mean we were teaching them all these bucks. By the

1261
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: time the thing was over, his shirt was like undone.

1262
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: His buttons for rip like Patriots draft interviews are pretty

1263
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: legendary story. So and so then we taught him a

1264
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: play like I said, brought him back in, Hey, you're

1265
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: gonna teach us this playback. So we taught him special

1266
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: you remember, special, special seam, special seam hitch the under

1267
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: and the incut by the X. Right, So when we

1268
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: got to the X, which I never should have asked

1269
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: in this question because you know, obviously he's a tight end,

1270
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: but I said, all right, the X. Now, if the

1271
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: will and the weak safety hit it, what's gonna happen

1272
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: over there? Because we had said, hey, this is gonna

1273
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: be a sight adjust when we taught it to him,

1274
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: And so he's looking at the board. I'll never forget this,

1275
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: he's like, and I'm like, yeah, you're you're getting it, Gronk,

1276
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: You're getting it.

1277
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 5: It's and he goes sizzle, Sizzle. I'm like, sizzle, what

1278
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 5: did you eat at Sizzler last night? Like, no, it's

1279
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 5: a sight adjust, Gronk. So but we loved him, you

1280
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like you could just tell he

1281
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 5: was like the best guy.

1282
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: So we so then we had a scout came in

1283
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: and took him kind of like that, you know, up

1284
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: to another floor where Nancy Meyer was, Yeah, miss Nancy,

1285
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: and right across from Nancy Meyer's office when in the

1286
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: old offices there was a little room with a circle table,

1287
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: and uh so no one for a while could find Gronk.

1288
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: So like, where's Gronk? Where's Gronk? Like because Bill wanted

1289
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: to see him before he left. Yeah, So finally, like

1290
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: Nancy's like, he's up here. He's asleep on the table.

1291
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: So Bronk is six foot sea. You guys know Gronk

1292
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: better than me. Probably, Cronk is a massive human. He's

1293
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: curled up on a circle table in this room across

1294
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: from Nancy Meyer. Robbie g Bill says, Rob Leaves and

1295
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Bill call, hey, how to go with Gronkowski? You know,

1296
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Bill, this guy's like, you know,

1297
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: great looking guy, great energy, Like I just you know,

1298
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: the big thing is he's going to be able to

1299
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: keep up with Tom, you know, like in a two

1300
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: minute drive. And you know all that is that is

1301
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: that you know, do you think you and I'll never

1302
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: forget this. Bill's like, yep, he'll be able to keep

1303
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: up with them. Stoops Vouch's for him. I talked to him,

1304
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: he'll keep up with Tom very well. And I was like, okay,

1305
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: then we should, you know, so we drafted him and

1306
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Aaron and uh, I mean, you know, those two guys

1307
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: together were and I know, I don't want to get

1308
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: into the whole Aaron Hernandez thing, but I mean talking

1309
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: about football, like two of them that might be the

1310
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: best tight end tandem in the history of the game,

1311
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: the history of the game. And they they what we

1312
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: did when you were there and ten and eleven, we

1313
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: did a lot of no huddle and you know, we

1314
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: could be in twelve personnel and you know, you could

1315
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: put either one of them out there as a receiver.

1316
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: And then Josh took it to another level when he

1317
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: got there, and it was awesome, man. But Gronk Gronk

1318
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: the best thing about Gronk. And and really I would

1319
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: say you and a few like Vrabel and the legendary

1320
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: Patriot guys Teddy Bruski, Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinnis, all these

1321
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: guys that that I know, like they had great energy

1322
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: when they came in the building, like when they when

1323
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Rod walked into building, like he would no matter what

1324
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: might be snowing, raining, hot, didn't matter, same great mood.

1325
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: He would always like bang into you like Geez gronk

1326
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: or you know, he'd make funny you you know he

1327
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: bust your chops or you know, like just a great

1328
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: dude every day, you know what I mean. It was,

1329
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: it was, it was That's what I'm talking about when

1330
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: I said about people.

1331
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1332
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, he's like the golden retriever. Bro.

1333
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just happy to see him. He's happy to

1334
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: be there.

1335
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, ma'am loves Robbie.

1336
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: G Jackie break down the Crimson Tea.

1337
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 7: Get into this tied real quick, winners of the SEC West,

1338
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 7: coming off of Natty the year before, busted Ohio State

1339
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 7: in that game. Uh only lost this year was the

1340
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 7: Texas A and M got upset out there and then

1341
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 7: down the stretch, had a tough stretch, but won those

1342
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 7: late close games Arkansas LSU.

1343
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 4: Then the legendary four overtime Iron Bowl.

1344
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. That was crazy.

1345
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: Anything can happen in rivalry game ranked An wasn't even

1346
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: right there forgetting It was like it was ten to

1347
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: three in that game and we had not done anything.

1348
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: Auburn's defense. It was at Auburn which is a tough place.

1349
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: So we got the ball back on our because Auburn

1350
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: screwed up the four minute Yeah, kid ran out of bound,

1351
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: so they had to punt. We got the ball back

1352
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: on our own two yard line, and Nick, I'll never

1353
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: forget Nick on the on the headset was like, Bill,

1354
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: we got to do something here, and I was like, Yep, yes,

1355
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: we do. It was about a minute and ten left

1356
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: and we went ninety eight yards for Bryce Young and

1357
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: sent it into overtime and then we had a lot.

1358
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: You would have loved it because in college, after the

1359
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: first overtime you have to go for two score and

1360
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: so it was all of those Patriot bunch like Boom

1361
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: saw that and they were just hit, like three or

1362
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: four of them. And then it carried over to this game.

1363
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: Well, you guys used a lot of those bunches, the Rams,

1364
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: the Rifles, the Texas two lane two lane two in

1365
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: which it makes this legendary Georgia defense have to communicate.

1366
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: I think fast.

1367
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: Is that what were you're doing in the middle. You

1368
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: were starting fast to try to slow down that d lineman.

1369
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: You guys were playing with tempo. Was that the game

1370
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: plan going in this thing?

1371
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I felt for us in this game.

1372
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, we Nick did a great job of this team,

1373
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: of his teams being in great condition. We you know,

1374
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: much like the Patriots. There was a lot of conditioning

1375
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: in Alabama. I felt like we were in better condition

1376
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: in that game than we were than Georgia was. You know,

1377
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: we were able to go fast and Georgia was very

1378
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: big upfront, very talent too. But maybe we could you know,

1379
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: get him huffing and puffing a little bit and be

1380
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: able to you know, sneak a couple of plays in

1381
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: there on him. And that was the game plan going in.

1382
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Can you can you? We got to give the listener context.

1383
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: How how different is it coaching football at Alabama in Alabama?

1384
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: Like the s I don't know this world.

1385
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so can you explain to me?

1386
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm a fifth grade kid from Boston or Situate

1387
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: or something like Situate South South South.

1388
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, that's great town. Yeah, I don't know. I

1389
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: would say yes, I I could be. I would love

1390
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: to tell you all the story, but like I'll give

1391
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: you one example for the spring game, which is basically

1392
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: a glorified scrimmage. Right, we get on Doug Marona and

1393
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I Doug was the line coach and I was the coordinator.

1394
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: So this is our first name Alabama. Yeah, he's wor

1395
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: he's helping me out of BC. So anyways, he we

1396
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: get on the bus to go to the spring game.

1397
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: We this is our first Alabama spring game. So you know,

1398
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: we've been head coach in the NFL. We we kind

1399
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: of seen a lot, you know, we never seen anything

1400
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: like this. So we get on these buses and we

1401
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: were on the first bus and we're driving out and

1402
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: the way you go. Have you ever been to a

1403
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: game there? You got to You gotta try to go

1404
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: to a game. We gotta go. You gotta go to

1405
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: an Alabama.

1406
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 4: It's on the bucket list.

1407
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: So you just kind of go out and bang a

1408
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: left and the stadium is probably half a mile, you know,

1409
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: down on the left.

1410
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: But as you're going, it is like probably twenty deep

1411
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: on each side of the road of people all.

1412
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: The way to the stadium. And then when you get

1413
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: to this it's just for the spring game, forget the

1414
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: game for a regular game. And then there's probably at

1415
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: least at least for the spring game, twenty thousand people

1416
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: outside what they call the Champions Walkway, like to greet

1417
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: you when you get off the bus, to escort you

1418
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: basically into the locker room. Yeah. I mean that's just

1419
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: for the spring game. Like they live. You know, it's

1420
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: all about football there. It's you know, it's an unbelievable

1421
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: football school. It's a great football job that Nick and

1422
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: Bear Bryant made legendary and they do everything there, you know,

1423
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: to support the football team in many many ways, whether

1424
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: it's recruiting or even academic or you know, weight room, training,

1425
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: room nutrition.

1426
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an A one program right there, and

1427
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't like that until Saban got there. Since Bear Bryant,

1428
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: there was a long time where they Bama. Wasn't Bama mediocrity.

1429
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: The only reason they're Bama now is because I mean,

1430
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: when Nick got there. I remember when I was a kid,

1431
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Alabama was a second thought. It was always Florida State, Miami,

1432
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: the U was big, Texas was big, you know, and

1433
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: it was crazy to see the transformation. Jack, give us

1434
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: the game.

1435
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, just a little context on the lead up of

1436
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 7: this game. This was a battle of the two best

1437
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 7: teams in college football, the only two teams to have

1438
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 7: been ranked number one that season. So this was this

1439
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 7: was the game and if Bama didn't win this one,

1440
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 7: the playoff was.

1441
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: Probably off the time. It was the one loss we

1442
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: had to win this game.

1443
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 7: And another storyline coming into it was was Kirby smart

1444
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 7: against the Tide and three in his career. Georgia hadn't

1445
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 7: beaten Alabama since seven, like Kirby wanted to get one,

1446
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 7: which was another storyline in Atlanta in their backyard.

1447
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 4: Early on, it starts out slow, uh, pretty scoreless first quarter.

1448
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1449
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 7: Georgia gets on the board first with a field goal,

1450
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 7: and then in the second it really opens up.

1451
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: So it opens up in the second. But when you're

1452
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: you're you're the offensive coordinator, you put in the game plan,

1453
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna you probably present to Nick, We're probably we

1454
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: gotta go fast as slow this d line down, make

1455
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: them communicate with a lot of our formations, our bunches.

1456
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: When it's a slow first quarter, are you making adjustments

1457
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: to the game plan or are you just sticking with

1458
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: the game plan.

1459
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: You guys are executing better. Yeah, no, we we had

1460
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: to adjust. It was it actually was ten nothing. They

1461
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: they went up ten nothing.

1462
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: But the second quarter you got there was fireworks.

1463
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, fireworks. We did adjust we we we went to

1464
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: my recollection is we did we were going to struggle

1465
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: to run the ball. So we put the ball basically

1466
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: in Bryce's hands and we had, like I said, two

1467
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: good receivers, good tight end and even the backs out

1468
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: of the back for were good in the passing game,

1469
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: so you could check it down to them and they

1470
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: were gonna make yards. So we we we knew, like, look, man,

1471
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to really throw the football here to

1472
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: win this game. We hit Taffy for like an eighty

1473
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. Yeah, so we had to clear out with

1474
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: the toggle with the free route, and we hit the

1475
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: free route I think for eighty yard touchdown to Jamison Williams.

1476
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: I think it was so. And then we we came

1477
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: in at halftime. We said, hey, they're sitting on.

1478
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: Something at the bunch. Yeah, yeah, the cross.

1479
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1480
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: Was he the second guy or the first guy? He

1481
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: was the he was the toggle runner, Okay, he was

1482
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: the top guy.

1483
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: Wow. So then we there's no one near him. They

1484
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: blew it.

1485
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,520
Speaker 2: It was a communication thing once again with those bunches.

1486
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: Motioned to it. Yeah. Yeah. And then in the second

1487
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: half we knew we could double move him, so we

1488
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: said if we saw cover four, we were gonna give

1489
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: Jmo a curl go because the safety was jumping the

1490
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: hell out of the curl. Yeah, and so Bryce he

1491
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: pumped him and he ran a curl going. He threw

1492
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: it and we had like a sixty yard I think

1493
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: it was a fifty five yard bomb to Ja yeah

1494
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. Yeah, I think that was the

1495
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: first drive of the of the third of the second

1496
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: half and that that kind of helped us a big

1497
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: That was a big time play. Yeah.

1498
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: So how how how are you guys? What's the halftime

1499
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 2: like with with the sabing? Are you guys in this?

1500
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, halftime in the in college is a little

1501
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: bit longer, you know, in the NFL eight Yeah, it's

1502
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: probably more like fifteen twenty minutes, whereas in the pros

1503
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: it's what age twelve twelve, So unless you're in the

1504
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: super Bowl or twenty yeah, where it's longer, Yeah, then

1505
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: you can take a nap. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah,

1506
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: we we definitely came in and you know, he he,

1507
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, Nick's very intense, so he was like, look,

1508
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: what are we doing? How are we going to do this?

1509
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: And but Nick also sees the game and I can

1510
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: remember distinctly he's saying, like, hey, look, we're gonna have

1511
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: to throw the ball to win this game. And so

1512
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: we just made sure we had our best passes ready

1513
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: to go. We had a couple new wrinkles we put

1514
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: in at halftime, like, hey, we're going to run this

1515
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: this way. And these kids, the kids that were playing

1516
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: for us, were very very smart football players, you know,

1517
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: so they could They're like, no problem, coach, we got that.

1518
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what what halftime was like.

1519
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: And and once you guys go out and score and

1520
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: have that big play in the third quarter to started off,

1521
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: that's when that momentum started kicking over there. Now, as

1522
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: a play caller, how do you are you just like

1523
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: keep it going because you guys started you know, there

1524
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: was a pick six. You guys are starting to blow

1525
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: them out. Now, what was the mentality on the play calling,

1526
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: like are we trying to run this thing down or

1527
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: are we trying to fucking score.

1528
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: When you got into the fourth quarter of this game

1529
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: like that pick six? After that pick six, I can't

1530
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: that was Jordan Battle, Yeah, I took that back. I

1531
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: think after that when it was thirty eight seventeen, I

1532
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: think you know, Nick was in control of that. He

1533
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: would tell us like, hey, let's let's uh, you know,

1534
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: have the million o'clock and hand the ball off and

1535
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: see if we can get you know, at least run

1536
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: it twice and then try to get it on third

1537
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: down with a pass.

1538
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: Maybe now was the Heisman wasn't in yet for this? No,

1539
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: so this is this was probably a statement game for him,

1540
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: big time Auburn.

1541
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: And then you know he followed up the Auburn game

1542
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: with this kid. That's why he won the Heisman. I maan,

1543
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: I would say those two games were huge for him.

1544
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: How's that feel for you to be, you know, your

1545
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: first year at Bama for what you just came from.

1546
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: You know, when you get fired. I mean every coach

1547
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: has been fired in national or in football, any football,

1548
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: every coach has been fired. But you know, it really

1549
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: says something to someone to be able to you know,

1550
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: move move on, turn the page, like Bob Seeker said,

1551
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: and just get back on the road. And then finds

1552
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: this and he's got a Heisman Trophy winner as the

1553
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: play caller. I mean, how do you feel after That's

1554
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: that's a big year, that's a big overcoming of something.

1555
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: Regardless. No, I do appreciate that. I look, I think

1556
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: that coaching is like you know, like you, like I

1557
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: described you playing, there's a lot of resiliency that has

1558
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: to take place in coaching coaching. You know, when you

1559
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: get into coaching, you think everything's going to be you know,

1560
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna win every game and you're gonna That's just

1561
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: not the case, right, There's good years. Hopefully there's a

1562
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: lot more good than bad. In my career. I've actually

1563
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of good years and not that many

1564
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: bad years, which so it's it's been good for me.

1565
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: But but there are times where you have to you know,

1566
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: something you get knocked down, you got to pick yourself

1567
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: back up. And this was a chance for personally, for

1568
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: me to do this, and and these guys. It was

1569
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: just a great team. Like you can see the picture there,

1570
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: like will Anderson one of the best guys ever and

1571
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: a great person, you know, Metchi and then in this

1572
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: game towards Aco, yeah and so, and then in the

1573
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: in the National Championship game which we lost, Jamis and

1574
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: Williams tore his ACL on a pistol, Yeah, on a pistol.

1575
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: He kind of twisted around and go anywhere trying and

1576
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: so we you know, we struggled without those two guys,

1577
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: and Georgia was good. So get on his toes.

1578
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, until he opens up. That's when you stick. It's

1579
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: a coaching play, that's really easy.

1580
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: Great route.

1581
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: Now Jack sum up the game and then we got

1582
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: to score this bad boy.

1583
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, picked off Stetson Bennett twice there in the second half,

1584
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 7: held Georgia scoreless in the third. I ended up winning

1585
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 7: this thing. Forty one twenty four, just locked up Bryce

1586
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 7: Young's heisman. First Alabama QB to ever win the Heisman.

1587
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: Uh. And then, as as.

1588
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 4: Coach alluded to, Bama would go on to lose the

1589
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 4: rematch in the Natty. Uh after those two.

1590
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: Burdals, lot of injuries, win the same team. Yeah, I

1591
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: mean give Georgia. Georgia had a great team and they

1592
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, they were ready to go in the next game.

1593
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: The next the National Championship game, was a good game.

1594
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: Then we threw a pick six on that in that

1595
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: game we were guy was supposed to convert, didn't convert

1596
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we didn't win the next game. But uh,

1597
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: but that that team, you know, that's a that's a

1598
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: very you know, just a great Alabama team without a doubt.

1599
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean Matie Williams.

1600
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm pulling for Bryce Young.

1601
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great guy him. I've met him a

1602
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: couple of times at some functions.

1603
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice guys like genuine, Yeah.

1604
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: Very like wasn't drinking or anything. You could tell he

1605
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 1: had his head on straight. Ye. Great parents, great, great family.

1606
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 5: He was.

1607
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: He was a He was a very fun guy to coach,

1608
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: and in many ways relative to college I coached him

1609
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: like like Tom like he he studied a lot of tape.

1610
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: He was very prepared, so he had his own you know,

1611
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas and things like that. And uh, he

1612
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: was awesome to coach. Great kid. Now does he owned

1613
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of Alabama guys? Oh yeah, yeah yeah

1614
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: for quarterback on that? Who else well, Joe Namath, Bart

1615
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: Starr to h Bryce, Jalen mac One and Natty got

1616
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: of putting Mac up there. I don't know how many

1617
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: guys are on Rushmore, but it's a big that's a

1618
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: big rush. They've had some great quarterbacks there. Yeah.

1619
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: Kenny Stabler, Sorry Kenny Stabler, the snake can't forget that

1620
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 2: joker man. All right, let's score any leftover questions, Jack.

1621
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 7: Man, I got about a million, but I know we

1622
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 7: got to get through this. If one quick one in,

1623
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 7: can you explain rat poison to the people at home?

1624
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 7: Can you explain Nick Saban's rat poison? Yeah, he thinks that,

1625
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 7: you know, and and he's right. A lot of these kids,

1626
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 7: you know, they're on.

1627
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,520
Speaker 1: The phones or you know, so they're reading, Hey, Alabama's

1628
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: Unbelievabley're never gonna lose the blow. They're gonna, you know,

1629
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: run away with the national title, like you know, just

1630
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: pumping them up all the time. Don't believe that that's

1631
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: rat poison. They're put and they're giving your rat poison.

1632
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: They're making your head big and you're gonna you're not

1633
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna pay attention to the details, and you're gonna lose.

1634
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: So do you ever use that in a staff meaning

1635
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: with you guys, I don't. I don't think he ever

1636
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 2: les let me use that rat poison?

1637
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 1: No, No, he never used that. He he was his

1638
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: staff meetings were very we're good. He every staff meaning

1639
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: he was very prepared for and he gave you thoughts

1640
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: and ideas to for that day or that game or whatever.

1641
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: It was good. His staff means He's a machine. The

1642
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: same thing with Bill, Bill's staff meanings. You learn something

1643
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: and think about Bill when I think about Bill and

1644
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: staff beans, and that's with that's you as a coach.

1645
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 1: You learned the most in the team meetings and the

1646
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: staff meanings when you watch tape together. So some coaches

1647
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: will say, why am I watching the defense, like I'm

1648
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: on offense. Can I go now and meet with it. No,

1649
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: If you watch the defense and you listen to what

1650
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: they're talking about, that's how you learned defense, and then

1651
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: you can go apply that to you with your players.

1652
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: And I learned I learned that when I went in

1653
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: team meetings, well when I went to defense.

1654
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

1655
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, you know, like just like he with

1656
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: the guys that he grows from the ground, like Josh

1657
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: McDaniels and Billy Flows and all he crossed coaches him

1658
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: first before they get to go to the side of

1659
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: the ball. They want to go to no doubt, which

1660
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,959
Speaker 2: I learned so much more that year about a defender

1661
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 2: and his technique. Now you hear it when coaches are

1662
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 2: coaching it to you. But to be taught the technique,

1663
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I I credit that such a huge part

1664
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: of how I learned how to run routes. And then

1665
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: obviously watching guys in front of me, but like that

1666
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: was like huge, and then like how they were trying

1667
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 2: to disguise things. If you learn the nuances of like

1668
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 2: what the DB's doing, no doubt you know it helped you.

1669
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

1670
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: Let's name the game. Is this the roll tied roll game?

1671
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: The Bulldog beat Down or the Bryce Young show? Billy, Oh,

1672
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: I gotta go with bry Young show. I got to

1673
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: go with Bryce.

1674
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: I think he threw for four to sixty in this game, four.

1675
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 7: Sixty hung up, but over five hundred yards on this

1676
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 7: on this Georgia defense. Insane on one fifteen the air.

1677
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 7: It was what a game Jesus.

1678
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,440
Speaker 2: Christ against one of the most legendary like defenses.

1679
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 4: I mean Jamison Williams alone had one hundred and eighty

1680
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 4: four receiving yards. Insane. Yeah, how good did that feel? Afterwards? Coach?

1681
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: It was great? That was yeah. My family was there,

1682
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: My son and my wife came to the game, and

1683
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: the locker room was that was it? Yeah? Because that

1684
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: was we were definitely as you guys said, like it

1685
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: was rare for Alabama to be an underdog and we were,

1686
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people picked Georgia to win, and

1687
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: and we we won that game, and that was a

1688
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: huge game. Wish we could have won the next one,

1689
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: but we didn't. But that was a great memory of

1690
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: that game and that that In the Alabama Indoor facility,

1691
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: they have the years of the National Championships and they

1692
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: have the years of the SEC Championships, which is a

1693
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: big deal with Alabama, and our our year will be

1694
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: up there, so it's.

1695
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: Uh heank, Yeah, it's a big year. We'll be right

1696
01:17:52,640 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: back after this quick break. Is this the greatest game

1697
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: of all time? Let's score it, Billy Oh? Stakes zero

1698
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 2: to ten decimals? Okay, the stakes of this specific SEC championship.

1699
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: Game, well, the stakes at that time were huge for

1700
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: us because we had to win to be in the playoffs.

1701
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: So I would say for that time for Alabama, you know,

1702
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: it's a ten. I mean we had to win it.

1703
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: We had to win. They had to win to get

1704
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: into the the playoffs, the four team playoff.

1705
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: I thought you were a listener, you know, you know

1706
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: that's a rookie score.

1707
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: Is that a rookie score? Yeah? Ten's a rookie scorer.

1708
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: I am a listener. I'm supposed to use a decimal. Yeah,

1709
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want to know, I should.

1710
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was definitely a rookie score.

1711
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I mean just hearing how Billy Oh

1712
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 2: was talking about how the SEC Championship is, like that's

1713
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 2: a big thing. Like they don't just look at the

1714
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: National Championship. It's a lot of times it's the SEC

1715
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: Championship because it's such a dominant conference. I'm gonna go

1716
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: with an eight point nine. It's not the Natty, so

1717
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: it's not an nine or ten, but it's eight point nine.

1718
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: Ooh Jack, give it.

1719
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 4: An eight point nine as well. Same brain, baby, let's

1720
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 4: get an eight point one.

1721
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1722
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: We got star power zero to ten. We do have

1723
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 2: a Heisman Trophy winner in this game. We have a

1724
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: bunch of pros in this game. I mean, I think

1725
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: Philadelphia's whole team went to the Georgia and we're not

1726
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: even talking about Alabama. So the stakes of this are

1727
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: the star power of this game. Billio, I think I

1728
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: have to I have to not be a rookie anymore.

1729
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go eight point six, eight point six, it's

1730
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: a good score.

1731
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely above eight.

1732
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go eight eight eight eight four eight

1733
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 2: four seven three.

1734
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 7: Man too low, Sorry, guys, my goodness, jack seven three

1735
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 7: Russian judge over here, man.

1736
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: Geez, still's still college it. They're gonna be stars, yeah,

1737
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: very they're they're pro guys. They're pro guys. I don't know,

1738
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and I kind of look down

1739
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: there means more than the sec baby, Okay, massive, massive

1740
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 1: Patriot fans.

1741
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 2: Let's go with the game play. The gameplay of the game,

1742
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: zero to ten decimals. Okay, this was a close game

1743
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Actually they were losing a huge

1744
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: swing in that second quarter. Then it was just straight

1745
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: bombs over Baghdad on the second half.

1746
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 4: So fun to watch.

1747
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, I would say eight point eight.

1748
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: Eight point eight. It was a blowout. It was a

1749
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: blow out. I'm gonna go with the seven seven solid lot.

1750
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 4: I have to learn the score, all right, we're in

1751
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 4: the same neighborhood.

1752
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: Getting at me for all the time.

1753
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 2: Are you talking about it a great game to the championship.

1754
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had World Cup finalists, we've had World

1755
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: Series on here, we've had national Championships. I mean, this

1756
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 2: is a great conference championship, you know what I mean.

1757
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: The name of the game the Bright Show.

1758
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the Bryce Young Show. But you

1759
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: got to score the name. Oh I'm giving that a.

1760
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 4: Young for you this year.

1761
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: Brother, I'm gonna go with the I'll go with the

1762
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: eight point eight. That's a that's a high score. I

1763
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: don't give fucking there's never been a ten given.

1764
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 4: I rush and judge it again.

1765
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: With a five point said, you know, do the math, Tyler,

1766
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: do the magic math calculating.

1767
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: We'll get all of our averages. So this is like

1768
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: Portnoy's pizza score, Like if.

1769
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: It is kind of one one nibble, everyone knows a

1770
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: law seven point seven point eight solid score?

1771
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: Does that go? In the games that we have done?

1772
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 3: That puts us just uh the greatest twenty eighth, just

1773
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 3: ahead of l Way versus Montana, the nineteen ninety four

1774
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: Week seven Chiefs versus Broncos's actual the two thousand and

1775
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: five NBA Finals Game five Spurs versus Pistons. I mean

1776
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 3: it's not a bad spot.

1777
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: The number one game is the two thousands.

1778
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 4: Oh, that was a great game, All Timer.

1779
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: That was freezing cold.

1780
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't just that, it was just the storylines of it.

1781
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the passing of the torch that kind

1782
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: of was there.

1783
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah not yet.

1784
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean, that's what they thought it

1785
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: was gonna be.

1786
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: So the Malcolm Butler game. So we had to play

1787
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: in practice the other day that was basically exactly that play,

1788
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: but the wait on offense or defense the Seattle offensive

1789
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: play versus our defense versus the BC defense, and the

1790
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 1: guy didn't really because you know, I can't remember the

1791
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 1: guy's name. Browner stuffed the point guy, which allowed Malcolm

1792
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 1: to play over the top. Our guy didn't do that,

1793
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: So you know, the guy, but the back guy got

1794
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: picked and we ran the option and scored.

1795
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: And so I showed that play. This is why you

1796
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 2: have to This is win Super Bowls. This play right there,

1797
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: and you should show him. I think it was do

1798
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: your job. I remember being in Arizona watching Josh Boyce

1799
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: score five fucking touchdowns on this that same play, and

1800
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: the whole coaching point was brown you got to blow

1801
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: up the fucking the front guy to make traffic. We

1802
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: we got burned on that five times in practice on

1803
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: like the Thursday before the Super Bowl, and then we

1804
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: kept on practice in it and then you know, they

1805
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: finally got it, but it was ingrained in their head

1806
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: and then once the game came in muscle memory, you've.

1807
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: Been able to hear it.

1808
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: While we're talking about this, I've got a two part question. Yeah, one,

1809
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: what's the most or useful Ernie nugget you ever got?

1810
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: And then second part, what's the most annoying Ernie Card?

1811
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, So, Ernie, you know, some of the smartest

1812
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: people I've ever met were at the Patriots, coaches and players.

1813
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Like that was the other thing too, Like there were

1814
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: so many there was a lot of you know, intellectual

1815
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: capacity at the Patriots, which is a huge thing in

1816
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: football especially. So Ernie had an incredible memory. And I've

1817
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: watched your Guys podcast with him. He's awesome on this.

1818
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Like if you could have him once a month, I'm

1819
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: sure because he could remember. So if you went to

1820
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: him and you said, hey, Ernie, I'll never forget this.

1821
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: I went to him and I asked him about what

1822
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: we call a Toro situation, which which before the jeels

1823
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 1: would so it's third down to fourth down, the offense

1824
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have any timeouts. They need a field goal to win,

1825
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: they're in field goal range. Maybe it's like third and

1826
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two seconds, it's twenty two. This is the question.

1827
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Ernie, what do you think is

1828
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: the least amount of time that you would need to

1829
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: complete a fifteen yard pass be able to get up there,

1830
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: despite you know, run the field goal team out and

1831
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: all that, and so he said in nineteen so this

1832
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: is I want to say, I was running the offense,

1833
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: So it's probably nine or ten. Yeah, two thousand and

1834
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: nine and twenty ten, so he said. And Brady had

1835
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: another I have a great Brady memory story too, on

1836
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: the same lines. But Ernie said, in nineteen seventy eight,

1837
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: I was working for Chuck Fairbanks in the same situation

1838
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: came up. We were playing I forget maybe the Steelers,

1839
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: I forget, but it was third down going to fourth down,

1840
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: and we did it with nineteen seconds. And I was like,

1841
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: did you say nineteen seventy eight? I was nine in

1842
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: nice seventy eight. This guy, so you're talking.

1843
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: He remembered the play the hash mark, and it's the

1844
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 2: same wind pattern, the wind pattern which direct yeah, exactly

1845
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: which direction they were the old stadium.

1846
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was just unbelievable.

1847
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,879
Speaker 4: That's unreal.

1848
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: And then the card do you know how the card

1849
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: stuff came up? So the card So basically we would

1850
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: meet and then we would go walk through the cards

1851
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: for practice. So Bill was getting kind of pissed because

1852
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: the guys would go out and we'd have, you know,

1853
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: really good practices because they had already walked through the car.

1854
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there'd be a screw up here and there,

1855
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 1: but not many like it was.

1856
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: There were a lot of perfect practices when I was

1857
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 2: at the Patriots with the good and so no Emmys

1858
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: things like that. A Bill was like, you know, you

1859
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: guys like, you know, you walk through the cards and

1860
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: then they it's the same cards that they see a practice.

1861
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is ridiculous. So you know what we're

1862
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: gonna do on Fridays. Me and Ernie got the cards.

1863
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like he started doing it with Josh. Yeah,

1864
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: he did it in seven or eight and I can't remember.

1865
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Josh like, oh my god, it's gonna be brutal. So

1866
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: Ernie we would go out to practice and Ernie would

1867
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: have some defense on the card that was you know,

1868
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: if you watched the last two years of the defense

1869
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: that we were playing you probably you wouldn't have seen that.

1870
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: So Tom would always go, Ernie, they don't do that, Ernie,

1871
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: they don't do that, and Ernie would go, they did

1872
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it ten years ago against the Giants in regular season

1873
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: week ten or something like what who did was the court?

1874
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: But they did if you went back and looked it up,

1875
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: they did some crazy exotic blitz exotic and and in

1876
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: the end, what it was was it was a lot

1877
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 1: about trying to really keep Tom on his toes because

1878
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: Tom was so you know, Tom was a brilliant player,

1879
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: so like it forced him to like think about who

1880
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: he was gonna make the mic and tell this guy

1881
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: to run the you know what I mean. Yeah, that's

1882
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with challenging.

1883
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: They wanted to put you in an uncomfortable situation in practice,

1884
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: so if it came in it didn't matter if the

1885
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: play we were practicing was going to be the play

1886
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna do in a game. If that situation came

1887
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: where we didn't see something, we could still do something

1888
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: about it.

1889
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1890
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: And you wouldn't just ship your pants and say like,

1891
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: oh fuck, you know what I mean.

1892
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of that. Like I was

1893
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: saying that Jedi shit, the.

1894
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 7: Idea of Tom yelling at already like it's not fame.

1895
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: I love that, oh my gosh.

1896
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: But the same thing would happen like if when Rabel

1897
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: Rabel would be on a scout team. Oh boy, oh yeah,

1898
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: you gotta get brable on it. I know what, give

1899
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: me some good Rabe stuff. Ohrab was awesome. Rabel would

1900
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: be like, uh, he would play safety on the scout team,

1901
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: and if he ever picked Tom off, he would take

1902
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: the ball into the backfield and just spike it right

1903
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: next to where Tom's sandy. Nothing pissed Tom off and

1904
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: they're like best friends, you know, so nothing pissed him

1905
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: off more than that. And Rabel will just be like,

1906
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, he would line up down and there we'd

1907
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: been playing the Steelers, so he would be playing Palamalu,

1908
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: so he'd get down in there in the a gap

1909
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: and and Tom would be like like, they don't do

1910
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: that just and Mike would go, Palamalu does it? Troy's

1911
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna do it on Sundays. I promise you that. Like

1912
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: it would be like thistagonize them. Oh it was awesome, man.

1913
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: Practice was that was when practice was cool.

1914
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you were there when Gronk put

1915
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 2: out the easy button on Friday?

1916
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: No. I told this story about Gronk the other day.

1917
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: Gronk was a rookie and Bill would come in on

1918
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: Wednesdays sometimes and he would go he would test the

1919
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: team whiz us. He would quiz him and and as

1920
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, you had a seven thirty meetings. So you

1921
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: would alert these guys like, hey man, you better know

1922
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: your stuff because he's gonna test you today. And these

1923
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: guys would all be like, oh my god. They'd be

1924
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: looking at the punters range and averages and stuff, and

1925
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: so Grenk so they come in and I forget it.

1926
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: We're playing and let's say they're playing the Jets or whatever.

1927
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: And so he goes, all right, Gronkowski, who's the Mike linebacker,

1928
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: And Gronk had his scout book like between his feet,

1929
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: and so he looked at Bill and he looked down

1930
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and he was moving the page.

1931
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: And Bill goes, Jesus Christ Kronk and the whole team

1932
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:24,759
Speaker 2: started laughing.

1933
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: But the best quiz story though, that I just remember.

1934
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: It was my first year there. Vinnie Testa Verdi was

1935
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: in training again, Vinnie Testaverdi is like one of the

1936
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: greatest guys ever. Yeah, just an awesome guy. And I

1937
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: actually spent a lot of time with him because I

1938
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: was working with the like the backup quarterbacks. So Vinnie Vinnie,

1939
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: We're in a meeting and we're getting ready for a

1940
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: preseason game. Vinnie's like forty something years old, big guy,

1941
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: big dude, big, you know, just a big guy and great,

1942
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: was a great player at the end of his career,

1943
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: right guy. Yeah, yeah, So so anyways, Castle, So anyways,

1944
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: he Bill comes in, and Vinnie always had a brief case,

1945
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 1: carry a briefcase, like into the meetings and stuff. So

1946
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Bill comes in. He's like, all right, Vinni's gonna play

1947
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: in this preseason game. All right, Vinnie, who's the starting

1948
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,839
Speaker 1: Who are the two starting safeties? Vinnie. Vinnie goes into.

1949
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 8: His briefcase, takes out his reading glasses, flips to the

1950
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 8: Skuy report, and gives Bill the two starting states.

1951
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: The whole team is in tears, laughing Bill, Jesus Christ,

1952
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. Billy.

1953
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for coming on. Everyone, get

1954
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: ready for the Boston College football season. Go out to

1955
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 2: a game check it out. They're gonna do some special things, Billy.

1956
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: You know, the BILLYO is gonna be developing these guys

1957
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: into great young men that can go out and compete

1958
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: at a tough, high level. You know, that's what I

1959
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 2: always expect when I think of guys that are coached

1960
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: by you. That's what you should me. I love you

1961
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 2: to death, Thank you, Thank you, guys coaching. Appreciate you, guys.

1962
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 7: Man.

1963
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: That was that was another great show. He's the best

1964
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Billy Oh good storyteller.

1965
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 7: Oh great, a guy had been waiting to have on

1966
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 7: the show forever since we met him at the Brady and.

1967
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: I love Billy Oh, Billy Oh.

1968
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 2: He loves he watches our show. His favorite episode, he said,

1969
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: was what baron the Baron Davis love mead.

1970
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: He didn't come out with a.

1971
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 2: Bit of a rookie score, rookie score, but he recovered,

1972
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 2: He recovered, He recovered. That's that's that's resilience he was

1973
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 2: talking about. You know, that's it's a coachable guy that

1974
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: listens to the heartbeat of what we need to do,

1975
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 2: what's best for the the programmer or the team, which

1976
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 2: means BC's in good hands.

1977
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 4: Amen.

1978
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 7: We're Eagles fans over here, now Eagles. He converted us

1979
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 7: him and Doug him in the region. Amen, we should,

1980
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 7: we should, we should write a.

1981
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Letter to the Pope. Get them some more funding.

1982
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 4: Serious, I mean.

1983
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 7: Something, at least some of those red shoes something. Come on, man,

1984
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 7: a Pope mobile anything, or at least a come visit

1985
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 7: the campus, run some rally. You gotta stick together those

1986
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 7: the Catholics.

1987
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Right, what position would the Pope play? You think?

1988
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 4: Quarterback man, the QB baby, he's leading that thing.

1989
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: Got a free safety, he's.

1990
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 4: An option QB.

1991
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: No, he's he's calling the shots.

1992
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 4: Hal Ma, young action baby.

1993
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: I've seen, I've seen, I've seen angels and demons. He's

1994
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 2: calling the shots.

1995
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: So what is it?

1996
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 9: Da Vinci code? One of those I've seen those. Man,

1997
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 9: those shout out Dan Brown, good good movies. Let's hit

1998
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 9: the old hot line. Let's hit it again. That number

1999
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 9: is four two four two nine one two two nine zero.

2000
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 9: Let's hear these ones. These are getting better and better.

2001
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 6: I know how to combat a brush as an offensive lineman. Uh,

2002
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 6: I know, showing that.

2003
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: Woman is obviously the best balker in all of the NFL.

2004
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: So he's probably well.

2005
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 3: If I guy to ever ask you a question like that?

2006
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 2: All right, bye, good question. Technical question? Now what is

2007
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: he as an offensive alignment? You know, I'm not alignment,

2008
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: but I always hear anchor, Anchor, you gotta anchor down

2009
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 2: on the bull rush and use your hands, your length.

2010
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 2: That's what I always hear scar saying, you gotta hit

2011
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: them so they can't you know, they can't get up

2012
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: under you when they bull rush you pad level, get

2013
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: your use your length and then anchor. I don't know,

2014
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm not alignment, but I heard the best line coach

2015
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 2: of all time say that a million trillion times.

2016
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Scarn.

2017
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 4: We gotta get a scar On to Now what if

2018
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 4: they hit you with a Dwight Freeney spin move?

2019
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 2: That's that's that's different. Then you gotta set, you gotta

2020
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: you gotta drop set. Okay, those guys, I mean there's

2021
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 2: a we gotta get scar On to talk about. You know,

2022
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 2: we need we need Jackie Slater. Oh yes, I remember

2023
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 2: one night he was telling me Slate, get we need,

2024
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 2: we need jack On, We need we need mister Slater.

2025
01:33:58,800 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: Are you guys drinking that?

2026
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 8: Hey?

2027
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're you know so say that,

2028
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: but I remember Jack was telling me what he used

2029
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 2: to do with LT. I mean that he'll teach us

2030
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 2: how to pass set.

2031
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 4: Got to get them on.

2032
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 1: Goat.

2033
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 2: Let's hear the next one.

2034
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 8: Hey, Jewels question, is it true if you don't use

2035
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 8: it you lose it?

2036
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 5: Thanks?

2037
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's definitely true. It goes with anything,

2038
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 2: your body, anything, your brain, anything, everything. If you don't

2039
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 2: use it, you lose it. I learned that like right

2040
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 2: when I retired, when I stopped working out, my body's

2041
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 2: just started feeling I felt like shit, you know, and

2042
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 2: it was you know, I wasn't working out. You know,

2043
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 2: you get so beaten down and like my body was

2044
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: hurting even more. And then when I started, you know,

2045
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,839
Speaker 2: working out, that's how you can mask your pain through strength.

2046
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 2: So if you don't use it, you lose it.

2047
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,799
Speaker 4: Muscle memory, penny in the jar every day.

2048
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: It adds up. Put it in the bank.

2049
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: That's something Bill, you just say all the time when

2050
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: we go to conditioning the run, Hill just put it

2051
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: in the bank.

2052
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: I love that.

2053
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 2: We gotta have someone to tally all our Bill shit.

2054
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 2: So when he gets on this podcast finally, hopefully soon

2055
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 2: one day when he's not you know, doing other people's podcasts,

2056
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 2: launching his own post. He's launching five podcasts. We just

2057
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: got to read off his quotes and I want to

2058
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: I want to ask him to do his can coach,

2059
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 2: can you give me like a what the fuck? And

2060
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 2: he probably look at me like you want to fucking

2061
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: kill me?

2062
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Like what was what I just said? Uh?

2063
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 4: Put it in the bank.

2064
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: Put it in the put it in the bank.

2065
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: What's the program?

2066
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,480
Speaker 2: When huh Like we're not on the program.

2067
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 7: We'll make it like that that Simpson's meme, like say

2068
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 7: the line, coach, can you just say asshole?

2069
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Fucking asshole? Can you say fucking asshole?

2070
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 4: Like back in the e bombs World days have like

2071
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 4: a Bill Belichick soundboard?

2072
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh, we need we need to build.

2073
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:06,879
Speaker 2: We need a soundboard.

2074
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: We definitely do. Soundboards are a death of a podcast.

2075
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: We cannot do a soundboard.

2076
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know what soundboard is for Bill. We

2077
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: could all right, Next question.

2078
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 6: Hey, George, I'm Jake from Easy South, Carolina. My brother

2079
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 6: looks up to you TV twelve and Rob drown Khaki

2080
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 6: is one of the goats that ever play the game

2081
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 6: and his idols so I know it says if you're

2082
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 6: seeking sports device, hit.

2083
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: The hot line but like, I'm gonna hit the hot

2084
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: line to.

2085
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 6: Ask you a question. So one what made you and

2086
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 6: TV twelve have such a good connection on and off

2087
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 6: the field? And then two why did you save your beard?

2088
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 6: It looks so sexy?

2089
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: Connection is a practice, repetition, you know, we to make

2090
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 2: it look good on a Sunday. You got to do

2091
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 2: it like a trillion times. I don't even know the number,

2092
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 2: but we had to do it a lot.

2093
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

2094
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: And then cutting the beard. You know, my mom likes

2095
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 2: it cut. Lily kind of likes it cut, not too

2096
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: can't be too short because the stubble hurts her. So

2097
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just get bored with the beard.

2098
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. You can't even drink a

2099
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 2: like when my beard gets long, I can't drink a

2100
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 2: like slam My morning smoothie. Then it gets in my

2101
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: lip and you got a flax seat in your fucking

2102
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 2: stash the flavora you know what I mean?

2103
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Like just a lot.

2104
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work.

2105
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 4: Tyler in on this beard people, Okay, I thought it.

2106
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: The beard's been that sounds about, sounds about.

2107
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 3: I remember this question for beard. Don't do anything. That's

2108
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 3: the whole point of having a beard. Yeah, I like

2109
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 3: line it up and do ship, then just shave your face.

2110
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you cut your beard, you don't have

2111
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 2: to do ship when you do activity. When you have

2112
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 2: a beard, you may not do ship for your face,

2113
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 2: but then you have to do a lot of ship

2114
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 2: reactively because of your beard. Like what when you eat,

2115
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 2: you gotta like you gotta make sure there's no fucking

2116
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 2: sauce in your beard when you drink a smoothie, when

2117
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 2: you put your chin strap, you know, you the shit's

2118
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 2: all up in there, you got and then your your

2119
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: shit's looking weird. You know, you may have a little

2120
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 2: gef on there after like a day of work. Like,

2121
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 2: there's a lot that goes into a beard. So like

2122
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 2: the whole I don't give a nah. Guys that have beards,

2123
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 2: they give a fuck. I have never mine Toto Tomato. Well,

2124
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: that was a great episode and thanks again to Old Billio.

2125
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 2: That was a fun one.

2126
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: The man.

2127
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: You know, I love BILLYO Old Billio. That's been another

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Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts.