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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's s

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Speaker 1: Y s K Selects, I've chosen How Snake Handlers Work.

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Speaker 1: It's a really truly fascinating episode that you might have overlooked.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we talk a lot about Christian snake handling,

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Speaker 1: but we also talk about people who handle snakes for

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Speaker 1: fun or because it's their job. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who handle snakes weirdly. So kick back and enjoy

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Speaker 1: this episode from May of two thousand and sixteen, How

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Speaker 1: Sneake Handlers Work. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and

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Speaker 1: there's Jerry over there. And my hair is now a

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Speaker 1: fourth character. Laughed at my hair. Everybody, Well, its my

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Speaker 1: beard can be the fourth character. Your hair could be

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Speaker 1: the fifth. Oh really, yeah, we need Actually, Jerry's got

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Speaker 1: great hair. She does have nice here stylish salt and

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Speaker 1: pepper Amy Goodman level tasteful salt and pepper. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what that means, Amy Goodman from Democracy. Now it's

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Speaker 1: very tasteful salt and pepper hair. Maybe that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It is clearly between Jerry and Amy Goodman. It's the

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Speaker 1: thing that beats shoe polished black. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 1: trickling down your forehead. Yeah, but do what makes you happy?

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Speaker 1: You know? Well sure if you don't, whatever makes you

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Speaker 1: feel good, Yeah I should, Uh, I should get some

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Speaker 1: of that beer blacken her and coming into my beard

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Speaker 1: and come in with like that jet black Beard and

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Speaker 1: Clyde Drexeler will show up at your house. Urge you one.

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Speaker 1: But isn't he in the ads? Yeah? Really? Former Portland Trailblazer. Great, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Clyde Drexler. Wow, I think that

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Speaker 1: did you picked this out? It's him? And who was

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Speaker 1: the one? I think Keith Hernandez. I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: the one that Kramer spit on or that got spit

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Speaker 1: that spit on Kramer. I think it's Keith Hernandez and

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Speaker 1: Clyde Drexler in the just for Men commercial. Well, those

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Speaker 1: are freed package are just for men coming our way now,

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Speaker 1: which we should say thanks again again to Crown Royal. Man,

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Speaker 1: you say you like Crown Royal, they send you something,

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Speaker 1: you say, you drank it, and they send you more.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's pretty awesome. I'm brushing my teeth with

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Now my lifestyle is improved for the better.

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Speaker 1: Pretty neat. Thank you dudes. Uh So, I was just

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Speaker 1: discussing before we record it. I said, it's going to

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the religious aspect of it without sort

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Speaker 1: of like I fear for their safety. And I want

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Speaker 1: to say, you people are crazy. A lot of people do,

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Speaker 1: but um, we have a long standing tradition of like

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Speaker 1: seeing people die from doing something completely preventable. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: definitely do. But handling rattlesnakes and kissing them on the face.

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Speaker 1: From from what I've seen of this or from what

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Speaker 1: I've researched, I've not actually seen somebody handle snakes in person. Um,

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Speaker 1: but from what I've researched, the people who handle snakes

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Speaker 1: it's not so much judgment. It's just like, no, it's

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Speaker 1: had a religious upbringing. Well, yeah, this is rare though.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't my experience. Typically frowned on in New York.

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Speaker 1: um named I believe Steven Amblen are They are holiness

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Speaker 1: catch and release. It sounds like it you weren't bitten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it actually took off and became very popular throughout Appalachia.

423
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: From the nine Team Tends till about the nineteen forties,

424
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: there was I think thousands of people who went to

425
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: these um church of God with signs following churches. Yeah,

426
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: and Hinsley, for his own records, said that he survived

427
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: more than four hundred bytes until nineteen fifty five. He

428
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: was in Florida and an abandoned I don't know if

429
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: it was abandoned, but it was a blacksmith shop and

430
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: he was doing a demonstration and I guess holding a

431
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: little uh religious service and um he got bitten and

432
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: refused treatment because that's part of the deal is they

433
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: leave it up to you. Like Coots us on an

434
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: interview with him, and he said, if someone gets bitten,

435
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I call the paramedics, have them come down. And then

436
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: I say, well, now you have a choice. You can

437
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: either do as God commands and refuse treatment and he'll

438
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: heal you if you should be healed, and if it's

439
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: your time to die, it's your time to die. Or

440
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: you can say I'd like treatment please, UM. But in

441
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the tradition of you know, a true believer, Hensley said, no,

442
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't want treatment, and he died the next morning,

443
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: but he survived a bunch of other bites. Like he

444
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: said says, although I lived by the snake, died by

445
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: the snake is probably a pretty good UM motto. A

446
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: lot of people think that UM holding a serpent handlers

447
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: are either worship the snakes because they do keep them

448
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: in in cages on the altar during services UM, or

449
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: that they UM they're doing this as a as a

450
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: show of faith to basically show, look at how how

451
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: how much I believe in God. Apparently this is definitively

452
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: not the case. When UM holding a serpent handlers pick

453
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: up snakes and this still goes on like there are

454
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: still churches throughout Appalachia, apparently from Ohio to Florida UM

455
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: where hundreds, if not a few thousand people UH do

456
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: this go to the services UM when they do it.

457
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: They don't do it at every service necessarily, but when

458
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: they do do it, it's because they believe they have

459
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: just been commanded by God to show their obedience to

460
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: God by picking up a serpent and handling it. And

461
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: when they do it, it's apparently they just enter into

462
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: um immediate religious ecstasy. Yeah, it's like they kind of

463
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: jump up and down and maybe speaking tongues and sort

464
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: of a trance like state. Uh. I guess we haven't

465
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: even really described it. I assume most people have seen

466
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: this at some point. Look up a YouTube video. Um,

467
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: they're not holding the snake by the back of the head.

468
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: They are literally just sometimes there are five and six

469
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: snakes and they're just holding them. Man, They're kissing them

470
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: on the face, they're rubbing them on their face. They

471
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: wear them like crowns. They'll throw them over their shoulders. Um, yeah,

472
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: they're they're The big difference between religious snake handlers and

473
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: professional snake handlers is that religious snake handlers go to

474
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: zero zero degree to establish any kind of safety precautions.

475
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: That's entirely uh ant athetical to the point. Yeah, they

476
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: don't have anti venom shots standing by in a medical kit.

477
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: No they don't. That's one. There's a hundred things that

478
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: are different. But sure, I know what you mean. And

479
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: so this whole thing was very popular, um among the

480
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: Appalachians for a good twenty thirty years and then the

481
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: forties there was a rash of people who died after

482
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: being bitten, and all of a sudden, the outside world

483
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: started to look in and say, what are you guys doing?

484
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: And the authorities were like, well, we don't think you

485
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: should be able to do that. I started to try

486
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: to pass laws, but none of them. There actually are

487
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: laws that and indirectly prevent people from doing this, and

488
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: there's actually some that directly prevent them, I guess in

489
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: every Appalachian state except for West Virginia, but they're very

490
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: rarely enforced because of religious liberties, right, yeah, religious freedoms. Yeah. Um,

491
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: there have been some raids, uh, notably actually Coots Place.

492
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Coots Place sounds like a sitcom hanging with Mr Coot.

493
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Coots Church was rated as a part of a series

494
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: of stings in two thousand eight under the code name

495
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: twice Shy. Really yeah, you're kidding me that they did there?

496
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: Um in one church they confiscated a d twenty five

497
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: snakes and may ten arrest and then it coots Um Church.

498
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: I think they got about seventy five snakes and arrested

499
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: a few others including him. But um, I don't think

500
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: they stay in jail very long. Um, I can't imagine

501
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: what the penalty is. Well, the grand juries typically refused

502
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: to indict them. Oh really, they just say they might

503
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: be charged with him, they might be haulled to jail,

504
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: but they there's no indictment that's handed down, so they

505
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: don't go to trial. But they confiscate the snakes at least. Yeah,

506
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: usually because Um, in Tennessee, for example, it's illegal to

507
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: keep venomous snakes, and snakes that they're using are very venomous.

508
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Their deadly cotton mouths, rattlesnakes, um, all sorts of very deadly,

509
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: venomous snakes. So they're breaking the law just by having

510
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: the snakes. But again, um, they're typically left alone as

511
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: far as the courts are concerned. And the reason why

512
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: you're saying at the beginning of this episode, that's hard

513
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: to not just be like stop. Um, I think the

514
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: reason why I don't have that much trouble with this

515
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I came to see it differently after doing research on it.

516
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: There they have more a's involved with this stuff, so

517
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: more eels more. No. I thought they handled those two

518
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: because never require like an aquarium and nobody wants that. Um,

519
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: they they have just kind of rules around the whole

520
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: thing where you don't go handle a serpent unless you

521
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: feel like you have been commanded by God to go

522
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: do that right then, and you're you're imbued with the

523
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit which is protecting you, right then, there's no

524
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: pressure whatsoever to go do that. There's actually um discouragement

525
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: to do it for any kind of show of faith

526
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um and then children are are

527
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: banned from doing it. They're not allowed to handle the

528
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: snakes were fine with it, Yeah, in the same way

529
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: that like, you're free to walk into traffic if you want.

530
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I find it even less harmful than that, because you're

531
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: endangering the other driver's life. If your hand you're walking

532
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: into traffic, somebody might steer into somebody else to get

533
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: around you. This is you and a snake. Yeah, I

534
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: do have issues with how the snakes are treated. Well,

535
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: that's one of my other big problems. So let's we'll

536
00:31:41,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. We gotta take a break. Okay, Chuck,

537
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: we're back. What's the problem. What's your beef? Well, over

538
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: the years, let's get into some numbers, um and and

539
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: about a hundred years, they estimate about a hundred people

540
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: have died from doing it. And if you look at

541
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: the numbers and the number of people handling snakes, it's, uh,

542
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: you think there'll be a lot more people dying from

543
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: snake bites. Pretty pretty surprising, especially considering that most of

544
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: them do refuse medical treatment after being bitten. They still recover. Correct,

545
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: that is unusual, it's remarkable, it is uh. MPR did

546
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: a story on this in two thousand and some snake experts,

547
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: herpetologists started coming out of the woodwork, specifically the Kentucky Reptiles,

548
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: who has been sort of investigating this on their own

549
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: for years, and they said, you know what, there's a

550
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: lot of things going on here. Um that it's sort

551
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: of a rigging of the stacking of the deck. Stacking

552
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: of the deck and the humans favor. For one, these

553
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: snakes are mistreated, which is one reason I have a

554
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: problem with it. By all accounts from their investigations, they

555
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: saw crowded cages, they were dirty, There was no fecal

556
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: matter in the cage, which looked like they weren't being fed. Uh.

557
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: They asked Coots about that and he said, well, I,

558
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: um my, my my rat connection went away, rat hook,

559
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: my my mouse and rat hook up disappeared on me,

560
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: and he says, besides they won't eat. Uh, they won't

561
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: eat anyway, I think was his quote, which I don't

562
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: understand what that means, because snakes eat, they want to eat.

563
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: That sounds like something someone says when they're like pulling

564
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: their collar away from them. Uh. And he said as

565
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: they asked him how long is snakes lived, and he

566
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: said on average three or four months. The reptiles Zoo

567
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: and Kentucky said snake should lived in it's twenty years. Wow,

568
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: he said, they live on average two or four months. Yeah,

569
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: they're being mistreated. So because of this mistreatment, these hungry snakes.

570
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that happen once you have

571
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: a hungry snake, and one is they are less likely

572
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: to strike if they're unhealthy. Yeah. What else, when they

573
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: do strike, they're less likely to inject venom, So it's

574
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: gonna be it's likelier to be a dry strike, I think,

575
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: or dry strikes. But that's just under normal circumstances. Really,

576
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a malnourished and less fed or

577
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: um underwatered snake, it's probably even higher. Higher incidents of

578
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: dry strikes than that. Okay, the venom apparently isn't as

579
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: potent if it's an unhealthy snake. Um. In two thousand thirteen,

580
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: they rated a church in Tennessee. I think that's Andrew

581
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: Hamblin's like you were talking about. Yeah, I think I

582
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: may have said as his first name incorrectly before, but yeah,

583
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: that's who I was talking about. Uh. And they confiscated

584
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: fifty three snakes that most of them died within months.

585
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: They were all unhealthy. And so basically you've got these

586
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: malnourished snakes that you know, even when they do get bitten,

587
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: they're maybe even not getting any venom or less potent venom. Right,

588
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's rigged in a certain way. Plus

589
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: also this article points out, um it was a Julia

590
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Layton joint. She points out that it's also possible that

591
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: those of us here on the outside, and maybe even

592
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: the holiness serpent handlers, overestimate just how aggressive snakes actually

593
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: are by nature. Yeah, like you were saying, if you're

594
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: handling them gently, they're not gonna strike you if they

595
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: especially if they don't feel threatened. If there's like, oh,

596
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: that's just a religious person right there, and they're in

597
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: the throes of religious ecstasy. I'll just ride it out.

598
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to be gently shaped for a while,

599
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: so let's see where this goes. Plus a lot of

600
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: these snakes are raised in captivity, and snake experts will

601
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: tell you if you raise a snake in captivity, it's

602
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: less likely to strike at you because they don't fear

603
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: you as they should. Right. Plus, snakes don't typically speaking

604
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: from an evolutionary standpoint, it doesn't make any sense for

605
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: a snake to be like, yeah, I'm gonna strike you

606
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: thing that is way bigger than I am that I

607
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: don't prey upon. Naturally, I'm going to deliver all of

608
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: my venom because the venom they need it to actually eat,

609
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: they need it for prey. Right, And a snake wouldn't

610
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: know this, but natural selection would have figured it out

611
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: by now that if a snake is striking something like

612
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: a hippo that's coming at it and delivers all of

613
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: its venom um, that hippo is still going to stomp

614
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: the snake before the venom actually has any effect on it. Yeah,

615
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: and you've lost all your venom, and to you know,

616
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: you can regenerate it. But you know, it's not like immediate, right,

617
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: So it doesn't in a in an evolutionary natural selection standpoint,

618
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense for a snake to strike

619
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: and deliver a full venom fight, correct, right. Yeah, So

620
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you have all this stuff together and suddenly the street

621
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: of snake handling still is. It becomes a little clear.

622
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: It makes a little more sense how people are surviving,

623
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: but it's still remarkable that they aren't. They that more

624
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: people don't die considering how often these snakes are handled. Yeah,

625
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: and if you if you look at interviews with Coots

626
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: on the YouTube, he'll he'll pick up his uh chunk

627
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: of rotted finger that he keeps and show you. He'll say,

628
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: look this. You know, my wife had to cut it

629
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: off at the mid knuckle with rose pruners. That was

630
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: a different guy. That was Bill Host. Well, no Coots,

631
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: it happened to him too. Oh really rose pruners again. Yeah.

632
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Like he literally held up his finger and showed it

633
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to the lady on CNN. She was like, yeah, like

634
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: you kept that thing. Yeah, well, Bill Host's wife cut

635
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: his off with rose pruners. I think digits falling off

636
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: as the snake handler is pretty common. I don't think

637
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: it's like, no, that was that one guy. Um, so yeah,

638
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there you go. I'm against

639
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: it because they're mistreating snakes. Yeah, I have that. That's

640
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: my issue with it too, And so it's other than that.

641
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, you want to do it, it's your thing. Yeah,

642
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: it's just one of those rare instances where you are again,

643
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: aside from the treatment of the snake, you're not harming

644
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: anybody but yourself. Yeah, there's almost no other instance that's

645
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: just like that, you know what I mean. I guess

646
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm getting to be a libertarian. So let's talk about

647
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Bill host Man, because that guy deserves maybe even his

648
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: own podcast one day. Yeah, this dude is something else. Um, well,

649
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: where do you start with him? He was well as

650
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: a kid, he had a dream. Two. He was always

651
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: obsessed with snakes, and he had a dream to one

652
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: day have a a snakehouse open to the public where

653
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: he could educate people. And he was an educator. He

654
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: wasn't He wasn't a religious snake handler. We should point

655
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: that out up front. He was a self trained scientist. Yeah,

656
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: for sure. It's a good way to say it. Thank

657
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you so little kid has a dream and he grows

658
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: up and makes that dream a reality and really believed,

659
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: like really believed in his heart and and through experimentation,

660
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: that snake venom could be very beneficial to a human. Yeah,

661
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: he was actually um after the Miami Serpentarium, which is

662
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: his famous place that he opened, was in full swing

663
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: by this By the late seventies, he was in clinical

664
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: trials using snake venom to help cure things like Parkinson's

665
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: in multiple sclerosis with a doctor and the FDA actually

666
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: came in and shut them down because they were they

667
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: were basically doing human experimentation that was unsanctioned, but we

668
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: were seeing results from what I understand. Yeah, apparently he

669
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: was seeing results with his polio work earlier when Jonah

670
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Saulk invented the vaccine, and he was like, man, I

671
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: guess it's great that it's cured, but I wish it

672
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: could have been mean snakes. So this dude started self immunizing.

673
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: In He injected one part cape cobra venom with one

674
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: thousand parts sailine solution into his forearm and started gradually

675
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: increasing the amount of venom he would inject into his

676
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: own body, and within a couple of decades he was

677
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: injecting every day a cocktail of thirty two different snakes

678
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: and reptile's venoms, which is a process called mythrid it

679
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: mythrid it ism. Yeah, methrid it is, methrid it issm

680
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: methrid Ityse was this famous um I can't remember. He

681
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: was an ancient king and he developed a tolerance to

682
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: poison because he was so afraid of being poisoned. So

683
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: he would drink a little bit, right, and this is

684
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: it's so now anybody who does it, it's it's methrid

685
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: it ism, And that's what he was doing. So he

686
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: actually did this for such a long time that his

687
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: blood itself became anti venom, and it actually saved twenty

688
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 1: one people's lives. Yeah, he would he would draw pints

689
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: of blood from his body to keep on hand, and

690
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: he literally several times flew all around the world with

691
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: his blood to give it to people to save them. Yeah.

692
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: And apparently, and I think nine he was bit by

693
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: a Pakistani pit viper and he didn't have any anti

694
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: venom and the White House used back channels to get

695
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: their hands on some from Ron heard about and saved

696
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, pretty pretty neat stuff. Uh he um.

697
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: He has this famous quote, I could become a poster

698
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: boy for the benefits of venom if I lived to

699
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: be one hundred I'll really make the point. And he

700
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: lived to be one hundred one years old with snake

701
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: venom pumping through his blood all day long. Yeah. And

702
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: there's a really neat um discussion about this guy in

703
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: a larger article called the Mathridityes of Fondue lock Um.

704
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy who wrote it. It's a

705
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: really great article tweeted out or something, um, but it

706
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: has some some stuff about Bell Hasten it. But it's

707
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: also about this other dude named Kim Freed who in

708
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: the article he takes four venomous snake bites in forty

709
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: eight hours, although the whole things about whether or not

710
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: he can live through five. But he's been doing the

711
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah. So the Serpentarium in Miami closed in

712
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: four because and I saw that the accident was in

713
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, so I'm not sure why it took

714
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: seven years to uh to close. But a six year

715
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: old boy had crocodiles and other stuff right at the place.

716
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: Six year old boy fell into the croc pit and

717
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: was mauled, and it really, uh obviously disturbed Bill because

718
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't a bad guy. He wasn't you know. He

719
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: tore him up and he shot this crocodile nine times

720
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: with the lugar pistol um, and I guess seven years later,

721
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: decided to close it. Apparently the dad didn't blame Bill,

722
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: which is remarkable for the accident, which I just thought

723
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: was strange. If he took safety precautions and the kid

724
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: went around him, then yeah, maybe, so it's not that

725
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: dude's fault. Either way, it's horrible and tragic. Yeah, and

726
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: he he ended up closing the serpentarium as a result

727
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: of it, although I didn't realize it was seven years

728
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: later too. But he kept his um milking operation going.

729
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: That's right in his own self injection routine, and he did.

730
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: He flew to Venezuela once into the Amazon to deliver

731
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: some of his own blood to save a boy's life,

732
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: and he was made an honorary citizen of Venezuela as

733
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: a result. That is so cool, Yeah, pretty amazing. He

734
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: claims he had never been sick a day in his life,

735
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: didn't take never had the cold, never had the flu

736
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: didn't take aspirin um. In this article that you sent

737
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: says he was unusually youthful looking. I don't know. I

738
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: looked at pictures he I don't know if he looked

739
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: a hundred, but I don't know about unusually youthful looking. Right,

740
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Maybe so he had a glow about him, Yeah, glow

741
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: from venom. I'm gonna start shooting that stuff, I guess.

742
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I'm gonna stay away from it and

743
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: just be fascinated by the whole concept. Alrighty did anything else?

744
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I got nothing else? I don't either. If you want

745
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: to know more about snake handling, you can type those

746
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: words in the search bar how stuff works dot com.

747
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for oh, you

748
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: know what, it's time for Facebook questions. All right. So

749
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: what we do here, uh is when listener males have

750
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: dried up a little bit, we put it out to

751
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: the people on Facebook to send in questions and we'll

752
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: answer over the next two episodes as many as we

753
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: can that aren't dumb. And it's sort of a rapid

754
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: fire thing starting now. I'm like Billy on the street.

755
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: Who Billy on the street. Billy Eigner no great TV show.

756
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: Oh go yeah, yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it, but

757
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it. It's wonderful. Let's start with Griggs Dorkin,

758
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Good old Griggs Doorkin. Yes. He says, if you woke

759
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: up to find that you would replace the character in

760
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: a movie, you know, well, what movie and character would

761
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: it be? And how would you handle the circumstances differently?

762
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: Answer is a really good question. I feel like Josh

763
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: has probably had an answer to this for years. For

764
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: the Shining wink Emoticon. You spell out wink emoticon or

765
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: did it just print out like that? I don't know.

766
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but no, he's spelled it out. I

767
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: had my answered easy, John Rambo, And what would you

768
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: do differently? Would you just immediately surrender? I would have.

769
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: In the very beginning of First Blood when he drives

770
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: him across the bridge and says keep going that way,

771
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: I would have just kept going that way instead of

772
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: turning around and going back into the town the end,

773
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: John Rambo, that would be a boring movie. Well, it

774
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: would be very short to be a short gun, John Rambo. Hitchhiker,

775
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Yeah, what about you, I'll have

776
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: to think about that, all right, And hey Storkin, we'll

777
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: see in Denver, buddy, all right, smile emoticon. This is

778
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: from Jamie Whittaker. H Josh always refers to his favorite book. Josh,

779
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: you want to say it, Foe, that's right, but I'm

780
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: usually driving and I never take it down. I can't remember,

781
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: so he says it's eighteen something. It's not right, Chuck,

782
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: what is your number one recommendation? Um? I don't know

783
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: if I have a favorite book, but I always recommend

784
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: the book middle Sex, just because it's one of the

785
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: great books that I've read. Jeffrey Eugene, I think that's right.

786
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: He wrote. Uh, well, he's written a lot of great books,

787
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: but Middlesex is wonderful, so great, great all around book. Yep, Okay,

788
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: nice one man. Uh, let's see. Trey mclamb has a

789
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: great question, how different would our health be if we

790
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: could sleep every day until we wake up? Natural? Really is,

791
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: if alarm clocks were never invented. I would guess we'd

792
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: all be a lot more mellow. We get less done, sure,

793
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: but we'd be more mellow like our five day weekend.

794
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Remember that episode. I do I think that kind of

795
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: dovetails with that quite a bit, just kind of doing

796
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: what you do. There's your answer, good one. I don't

797
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: know about that. There's a good question. Terrible answer. Uh,

798
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: Sam Horne, you've been dropping hintsive late about live shows overseas.

799
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: Would love to see you in the UK. We have

800
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: loads of stuff you should now terrible, Uh Sam. We're

801
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: hoping to come to the UK this summer. We're working

802
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: on it hard. We're working on it. It may or

803
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: may not pan out because planning shows overseas is uh

804
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, can be challenging. Yeah, you have to take

805
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: a citizenship test. Did you know that? I didn't know that.

806
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: It's weird. So we're trying and listen up for updates

807
00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: on that front. Okay, let's see. Uh. Just Riddell says,

808
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I listened to your color podcast Color with a You,

809
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: and Chuck mentioned he might have a color deficiency. I'd

810
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: like to hear a podcast about color blindness and color deficiencies.

811
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: Please smile emoticon. I think people are putting this in.

812
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: It's typing it out when in print it's got to

813
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: be maybe what's the question that wasn't a question? All

814
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: was a nope? Okay and good one. Uh, chuck. Well,

815
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: they say, Josh diego Leal, how's the property squatting coming along?

816
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: That was me, Um, I haven't heard anything from a

817
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: few years. Uh, and I have anything about Hippie Rob.

818
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm still squatting everybody. It's working out great. Uh And

819
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: as far as we know, UM, we don't own the

820
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: property yet, but we think the county might. And there's

821
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: really I don't think we're in any danger of losing

822
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: it anytime soon. It's not your next door neighbor, back

823
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: back neighbor, now behind neighbor, whatever. So yeah, the county.

824
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll ever be able to own

825
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: it then, even through adverse possession, maybe not. But I

826
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything that can do with it. It's

827
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: such a small strip, so I think we're good. Are

828
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: they gonna start parking like a tar truck back there,

829
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: County Lan? What about Hippie Rob? Any updates are John

830
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: should be Rob will forever live forever in the ether? Uh?

831
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Claire Doll Dolby to Alby Dolby, I'd say Dolby too. Normally,

832
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: h if you could revisit an episode and do it

833
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: differently slash better, which one the Sun not a bad idea,

834
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: then I would definitely like another track. Um, every once

835
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: in a while, I can't think of him. I mean

836
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: we've done like eight hundred plus episodes. Every once in

837
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: a while, I will leave here and I say it

838
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: every time I feel that way, I'll be like that

839
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: one just wasn't as good because it could have been.

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Speaker 1: And it's always something that's like really important, Like the

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00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: topic is really important to me, so I'll like overthink

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00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: it and it always pans out fine. But I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of any that I would just like

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Speaker 1: to go back and do over again. Yeah, my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: You just kind of let you know, even if I'm

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Speaker 1: a little disappointed, it is what it is. Yeah, that's

847
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: a philosophy, you know, I guess it is. It's a

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Speaker 1: boring philosophy. Um, Dan Floyd, are we ever going to

849
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Speaker 1: get a how Jerry works episode? Nope. Jerry doesn't want

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Speaker 1: people to know how she works. She operates in stealth

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Speaker 1: and secret. Yeah, the c I A and she may

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Speaker 1: or may not exist. Uh. Larry Tiffany says, what evidence

853
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Speaker 1: would we see if the flood epic of Noah's Ark

854
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Speaker 1: We're indeed true? Well, Larry, we've got something for you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole episode on Noah's Ark in the Flood.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty good one, if I remember correctly, I

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Speaker 1: have no recollection. That's a good one. Okay, how about

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Speaker 1: one more reach Luke Vissering, have you ever been told

859
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: the topic is off limits? No, we have not. That

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00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: we are lucky and that we are free to program

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Speaker 1: our own content, and are all the various bosses and

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Speaker 1: company owners we've had over the years, I've always steered

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Speaker 1: clear of that, which were very thankful for. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: self regulated. One more. Josh Robinson asks Josh and Chuck,

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Speaker 1: why do you hate the nineties? Why do you hate

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Speaker 1: my childhood? Will the nineties? I'm yeah, I think the

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00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: nineties were like okay, I just don't think that they were.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they produced that much great stuff. Everything

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Speaker 1: just had this kind of superficialness to it. I felt like, boy,

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Speaker 1: I love the nineties. The nineties was my twenties in

871
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: my college then beloved very much to me, and things

872
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: were great in the nineties in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Are you nostalgizing right now? No, though we had a

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Speaker 1: ban on that. No, I love the nineties, great great music,

875
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Speaker 1: great culture. See I think the music things where I

876
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: have the issue. I wouldn't say it was great great music.

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Speaker 1: There was some good music. I don't dispute that, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of really bad music. That's

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00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: every generation, not necessarily. I knew you're going to say that,

880
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: and I was prepared to respond, and it is as follows.

881
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Speaker 1: Look at the eighties, right, A lot of bad music,

882
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: a lot of great music, but there was a lot

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Speaker 1: more good listenable music, Like think of all the one

884
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Speaker 1: hit wonders in the eighties. There were a lot a

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Speaker 1: lot of singles that were pretty good and listenable even

886
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: at the time, not just in retrospect. In the nineties,

887
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: there was a lot a lot of stuff on the

888
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: radio was awful. Yeah, yeah, like Nirvana and stuff like that. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, there was some like good stuff, and

890
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Speaker 1: there were plenty of good bands, but for the most part,

891
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Speaker 1: it felt like there was just a lot of really

892
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: bad stuff too. I'll go back to the spin doctors again.

893
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Speaker 1: I think that is the emblem of nine the nineties. Yeah,

894
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: spin doctors. They were huge for a little while, and

895
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Speaker 1: then I think that also carried into the early two

896
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Speaker 1: thousand's with with a lot of the terrible nous to interest,

897
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: and it's like there just seemed to be And I

898
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: know the eighties were super vapid, very shallow, but almost

899
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: to a cartoonish degree. The nineties were unaware of its superficiality.

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Speaker 1: It felt like like it was trying really hard to

901
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: not be superficial, but it was failing at it. I

902
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: think I reject the notion that a lot of one

903
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: hit wonders equals good, not good better. I got three

904
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Speaker 1: words for you walking on Sunshine. That was Katrine in

905
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: the way, So it was wrong that, Well, maybe we

906
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: just have different tastes. Maybe, so sorry, let's end this now.

907
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: And don't it feel good? Yeah? Yes it does, Chuck.

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