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Speaker 2: Get this putties, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: In today's world, you have more options than you've ever had.

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Speaker 3: entire world to try and convince everyone that they're right.

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Speaker 3: Love what you love, hate what you hate, but don't

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Speaker 3: let that influence the actual information on real stories. It's

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Speaker 3: Stuproson and cupa Joe. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitzforth

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Speaker 3: of a Jeli edition.

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Speaker 4: We had a little fun, but I gotta.

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Speaker 3: Be honest, Buck, Like, I just I get some of this.

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Speaker 3: I understand human nature is what it is. But the

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Speaker 3: fact is a lot of people have just dug in

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Speaker 3: on where they are on the WNBA, and they've dug

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Speaker 3: in on where they are the players. They've dug in

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Speaker 3: where they are on Angel Reese, They've dug in where

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Speaker 3: they are on Caitlin Clark. Everything has to be particularly

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Speaker 3: in this, and I mean in all ways. It has

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Speaker 3: to be black or white, right, Like the players didn't

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Speaker 3: vote for Caitlin because they're racist, you know, or people

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Speaker 3: only like Angel Reese because they're racist or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 3: you only watch the WNBA if you're some woke whatever.

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Speaker 3: Like everybody has to make this some big, overarching, sweeping

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Speaker 3: Like I got into a debate, an argument with somebody

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Speaker 4: Because I flat out told him I don't care about politics.

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Speaker 4: I don't like all the way to my court.

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Speaker 3: And we were sitting there like well, no, you must

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Speaker 3: care about this, this, this, And I was like, nope,

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Speaker 3: ain't gonna change my Friday. Like I immediately I was

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Speaker 3: nihilist and an idiot all these other things. But like

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Speaker 3: for me, I fool, yeah, I know you fool Like

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Speaker 3: I don't just genuinely as a person, you know me

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Speaker 3: well enough to know this, I don't care. If we

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't care how any Like I don't care about

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Speaker 3: this grandiose conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 4: I don't care. I just I don't care.

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Speaker 3: So for me, I just step back and I'm watching

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Speaker 4: Saying, hey, if you love it, you love it.

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Speaker 3: If you don't, you don't, And you got so many

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Speaker 3: and if you don't care about it, cool, don't care.

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Speaker 3: But what's happened is it's had We've reached this spot

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Speaker 3: where it's like politics, you have to have an opinion,

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Speaker 4: Also, I should point out, having talked to a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of people that our voters, that some voters didn't

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Speaker 5: If the amount of people that had strong WNBA opinions

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Speaker 5: I need a reason to hate Angel Reese or Caitlin

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Speaker 6: Well, maybe that's a bad example Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: Like who's who's the most congenial superstar in the NFL

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Speaker 6: Like maybe I just want to irrationally hate Miles.

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Speaker 5: That's the freedom to be a fan. As we celebrate

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Speaker 5: you should be able to independently feel however you want

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Speaker 6: By the way.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why people subject themselves to that kind

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Speaker 5: But it also I mean, you know, we have people

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Speaker 6: People do that.

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Speaker 5: That's that's as big a problem in the the NBA

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Speaker 5: Expansion, they were in They submitted a bid for WNBA expansion.

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Speaker 5: Ultimately they didn't get it on this initial wave. They

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Speaker 5: And I, you know, I was pretty comfortable getting in

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Speaker 6: What are you caping up for this? That and the other?

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Speaker 5: like I'm just talking sports preference. I like basketball more

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Speaker 5: We've got a Triple A affiliate here in town, the

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Speaker 5: Nashville Sounds. They do a great job making the product

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Speaker 6: I just want to go and for the vibes. I'm

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Speaker 5: With some people, have a couple of cocktails, on a

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Speaker 5: summer afternoon taking some baseball, and if the baseball ends

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Speaker 5: gravitate towards that eventually. But like on a daily basis,

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Speaker 5: I'd rather talk about, watch about, watch discuss and analyze basketball.

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Speaker 5: And if it so happens to be a women's team

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Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty two baseball games a year either.

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Speaker 3: The amount of times I hear how terrible the NBA

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Speaker 3: and that's her answer, I don't watched it in years.

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Speaker 4: It sucks. Well, how do you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's literally better than it's ever been. It's

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Speaker 3: to me, and you're right. I love going to minor

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Speaker 4: I do it a lot. He's buck Rising.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Fitz by the way, and for two pros

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Speaker 3: There's some really bad WNBA teams. There's some really bad

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Speaker 5: There's no faster way to grab somebody's attention then to

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Happy fourth of July. It's two pros and

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Speaker 5: Are you worried that the WNBA hater and detractor that

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Speaker 6: I am thirty one. I will be thirty two in

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Speaker 5: It's the most important thing and it will. It makes

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Speaker 3: Did you just catch the Buck Rising Cities having multiple parties?

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Speaker 3: Did you catch that multiple parties?

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Speaker 6: It?

437
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Speaker 2: I also have thirty one, So that really stresses me

438
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Speaker 2: out because I feel like I sound like I'm twelve

439
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Speaker 2: compared to Buck.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that is that.

441
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Speaker 5: Is yeah, but that's years of smoking and drinking no Breeze.

442
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 5: Brie and I haven't met in person officially, but just

443
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Speaker 5: based on our conversations here working together these last couple

444
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Speaker 5: of weeks, I would take away bri being a bit

445
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Speaker 5: more wholesome than somebody like me who lives a lifestyle

446
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 5: of a degenerate here in Nashville, Tennessee, which is as

447
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 5: close to Vegas as anybody's comfortable getting without having to

448
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Speaker 5: actually go to Vegas.

449
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Speaker 3: Follow up question here, Mighty Mark also part of the team,

450
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Speaker 3: and we always hang out on the fellows. You can

451
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Speaker 3: check Buck and I also tomorrow morning for the Fellaws.

452
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Speaker 3: Mighty Mark, did you catch Buck Rising saying something about

453
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Speaker 3: multiple parties? I just want to make sure that we

454
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Speaker 3: all heard the same thing. Mighty Mark, did you hear

455
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Speaker 3: the same thing multiple parties?

456
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Speaker 4: I think I was cue and up music. I didn't

457
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Speaker 4: hear the words, so.

458
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Speaker 6: Let me reiterate.

459
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Speaker 5: I am having multiple birthday parties for myself because I.

460
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Speaker 1: Like to have.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, just follow up question, Mighty Mark, have you

462
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Speaker 3: and Breed both if you could chime in on this,

463
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Speaker 3: have either of you gotten in to a single one

464
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Speaker 3: of these multiple parties that are.

465
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Speaker 6: Happening from Buck?

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, no, well, of course not. He barely just

467
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Speaker 4: knows us.

468
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Speaker 6: Why would he invite us?

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Speaker 3: Well, I just I'm just confirming because I also haven't

470
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Speaker 3: had an invite to a single birthday.

471
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Speaker 5: I've known him ten years and he doesn't have an

472
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Speaker 5: invite to one of these things either.

473
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're like here, we are just sitting here,

474
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Speaker 3: working together, and it's like, I'm gonna have a dozen.

475
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Speaker 4: Parties all over the North America.

476
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Speaker 5: In multiple different cities. One in Nashville. I'm going to say,

477
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Speaker 5: diego for a week. We're gonna have a couple of

478
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Speaker 5: nights there throughout the course of the week. And none

479
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Speaker 5: of this is happening on my actual birthday, which will

480
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Speaker 5: be a celebration unto itself. I think my birthday falls

481
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Speaker 5: on a Sunday this year, which is not terribly convenient, but.

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Speaker 6: You know, we'll make it work.

483
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Speaker 5: Here's the thing, though, I don't know you are all

484
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Speaker 5: over the place. This is not a justification, simply fact.

485
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Speaker 5: If you want to bring fact to an argument in

486
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Speaker 5: the way that we were shouting down WNBA detractors in

487
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Speaker 5: the last segment, you're in Connecticut, mud. If you happen

488
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Speaker 5: to end up in Nashville, Tennessee on Saturday this coming Saturday,

489
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Speaker 5: July the twelfth, when we are going to dinner and

490
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Speaker 5: then taking in the UFC fight at Bridgestone Arena. You

491
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Speaker 5: are more than welcome to attend. If you happen to

492
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Speaker 5: be in San Diego for the four days that I'm

493
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Speaker 5: spending out in San Diego with a group of friends,

494
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Speaker 5: with multiple nights of celebration, then you are more than

495
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Speaker 5: welcome to attend. I will invite you to any of

496
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Speaker 5: these things. You are in a different part of the world.

497
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Speaker 5: I'm not coming to Connecticut, even though I love you, dearly.

498
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Speaker 5: There's not really much you could do to get me

499
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Speaker 5: to the state of Connecticut, not to not to, you know,

500
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Speaker 5: detract from one of our great states in this mighty

501
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Speaker 5: Union on this Independence Day.

502
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Speaker 6: But Connecticut, I'm good. I'm also wow.

503
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Speaker 4: If I said the word speedo, does that change any

504
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Speaker 4: of those opinions.

505
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Speaker 6: For who you were?

506
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Speaker 5: Me?

507
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 4: You tell me now that we've made the.

508
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Speaker 6: Entire both matching banana hammocks.

509
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Speaker 3: We're doing matching that's Can we make that, Bree, Can

510
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Speaker 3: we make that the name of the show tomorrow? Matching

511
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Speaker 3: banana hammocks? I don't, I don't think. Yeah, I'm gonna

512
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Speaker 3: try not to get us fired.

513
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Speaker 6: Don't make you look up what a banana hammick is.

514
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: Now, Hey, you know what this is, Hey, we're just

515
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 4: said it's all fine. That's probably the best.

516
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Speaker 3: That's probably the nicest thing anybody would ever say if

517
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Speaker 3: Buck and I walked into a room in speedo, is

518
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: it's it's all fine.

519
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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, that's just fine?

520
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Speaker 4: College football? You mentioned? Is college football going to be fine? Buck?

521
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Speaker 4: Look at that segue. Look at that sure, I mean

522
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Speaker 4: that is a transition of the.

523
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Speaker 5: So tickled with himself for being able to do that.

524
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Speaker 5: I mean, is college football going to be fine?

525
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Speaker 6: I don't know.

526
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Speaker 5: You you work with a lot of college football people

527
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 5: in your responsibilities for Yahoo. Obviously FITSI and SEC Country.

528
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Speaker 5: We talk a great deal of college football here. It is,

529
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Speaker 5: I would argue, it is the most important thing to

530
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Speaker 5: the local audience. Here is the tribal nature of college football.

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Speaker 5: Even though we do have a professional football team, we

532
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Speaker 5: have a professional hockey hockey team. We have an MLS

533
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Speaker 5: team that's won or has thirteen unbeaten results in a

534
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Speaker 5: row and getting ready to play the Philadelphia Union tomorrow, which.

535
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Speaker 6: Is going to be crazy. It's crazy what National sc

536
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Speaker 6: is doing.

537
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Speaker 5: And yeah, and you've you've played that stadium, you have

538
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 5: had the or at least you have been a part

539
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Speaker 5: of the opening ceremonies for that stadium.

540
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Speaker 6: In fact, was that like the first.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I opened that stadium, played the national anthem for

542
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Speaker 3: the first ever game in that stadium.

543
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Speaker 6: I have videos. It was like a proud stage.

544
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Speaker 5: Mama was taking videos of him Brion Mark on my

545
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Speaker 5: phone from the from the stands as he broadcasts the

546
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Speaker 5: violin rendition of the national anthem and the opening salvo

547
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Speaker 5: of Gioda's Park here in Nashville.

548
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Speaker 6: But anyway, if you talk to college.

549
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Speaker 5: Football people and you ask them that specific question, is

550
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Speaker 5: it going to be fine? It depends on what your

551
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Speaker 5: your entryway into that conversation is. I guess is so,

552
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Speaker 5: what I'm trying to say is like the health of

553
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Speaker 5: the sport. Is college football on the field as healthy

554
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Speaker 5: as it's ever been? One could argue yes. I think

555
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Speaker 5: that the name, image and likeness situation. I think that

556
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 5: the transfer portal situation has allowed there to be has

557
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: allowed there to be more competitiveness top to bottom where

558
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 5: it's not just the top four teams that we're talking

559
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Speaker 5: about in any given year, and even in a twelve

560
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: team playoff format, right, you're still getting the cream rising

561
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Speaker 5: to the top. The best teams will ultimately end up

562
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 5: having the best results and will weed out the SMUs

563
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Speaker 5: and the Indianas of the world, respectfully to my alma

564
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Speaker 5: mater and all these different things.

565
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Speaker 6: So like the health of the.

566
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Speaker 5: Sport, I think it's in a good spot where it's

567
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Speaker 5: not just one program, not just Nick Saban dominating things.

568
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Speaker 5: Even though Kirby Smart is recruiting at Georgia is at

569
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Speaker 5: as high of a level as Nick Saban was during

570
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Speaker 5: the height of his powers. Right Clemson getting back into

571
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Speaker 5: the mixed Ohio state winning the most recent recent national championship.

572
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Speaker 6: I'm a Notre Dame fan.

573
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Speaker 5: If you'd have told me that Notre Dame would be

574
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Speaker 5: playing for a national championship last year prior.

575
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Speaker 6: To the season beginning, I want to spit.

576
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Speaker 5: I want to laugh in your face and spit out

577
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 5: whatever my eighteen dollars coffee beverage was that morning. Like

578
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 5: that's just to see all the different things about the

579
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: on field product that still have that meaning. But the

580
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: business component of this can wear people down. It wears

581
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 5: down the diehards, and they'll still show up on Saturdays

582
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Speaker 5: and we'll all still make college football the second most

583
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Speaker 5: popular sport in America with the way that we consume it,

584
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Speaker 5: but to get there and all the different shifted, the

585
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 5: way that the ground constantly shifts under your feet is

586
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 5: being discussed in this sixty eight page agreement that was

587
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Speaker 5: obtained by the Athletic where the ACC, which has been

588
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Speaker 5: embattled or at least some of its member programs have

589
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 5: been embattled in seventeenth month litigation with Florida State and

590
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Speaker 5: cleansing at this point where the idea of a super

591
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: league being potentially floated, not necessarily likely to happen, but

592
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Speaker 5: just the opportunity for a super league to be created

593
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Speaker 5: if these member institutions were to be We're to be

594
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Speaker 5: able to trigger this clause in the agreement to leave

595
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Speaker 5: the ACC for a seventy five million dollars sum from

596
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Speaker 5: twenty thirty to twenty thirty one through twenty thirty six,

597
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Speaker 5: which is the final year of the contract.

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Speaker 6: Those things do, I.

599
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Speaker 5: Think give college football fans and college football diehards just

600
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Speaker 5: a little bit of angst and anxiety, and you know,

601
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: just a little additional stress like why can't you just leave.

602
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Speaker 6: The thing that we know works alone?

603
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: Why can't you just continue to let us have our

604
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: college football traditions, our traditional conferences, rather than just strip

605
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 5: this thing down to the studs and trying to maximize

606
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: the profits on it the way that they've clearly done

607
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 5: similar to an NFL model.

608
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Speaker 4: Well, similar to an NFL model is an important part

609
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Speaker 4: of this. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're in

610
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: for two pros of and a cup of Joe on

611
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio.

612
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Speaker 3: And I think part of the reason that the NFL

613
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: model needs to be part of the conversation is that's

614
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Speaker 3: where I believe we're headed.

615
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: And I'm okay with that.

616
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Speaker 3: Like again, this is where I don't emotionally get invested

617
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Speaker 3: in much of it anything, right, So I'm just sort

618
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: of a person that steps back and says, Okay, this

619
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Speaker 3: seems fairly inevitable. I love college football. It is my

620
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: favorite sport to care and to cover. I am honored

621
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Speaker 3: to say that I have a Bulittannikov Award vote. I

622
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: get to vote for the best wide receiver in college

623
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: football every year. My media accomplishments in college football are

624
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: the proudest things that I've done. I absolutely love the sport,

625
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: and if it changes, I'm okay with that. I think

626
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: we just have to look around at this ACC deal

627
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: and remind ourselves because to Buck's point, the way the

628
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: clause is written, essentially, if six teams choose to leave

629
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Speaker 3: the ACC to go join a super conference, those six

630
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Speaker 3: teams would have to pay seventy five million dollars each,

631
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Speaker 3: and they would be capable of doing that. Seventy five

632
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: million dollars is less than a buyout for Jimbo Fisher, like.

633
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Speaker 6: Dropping a bucket. It's like less.

634
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm looking around and I'm saying, that's

635
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: not an out clause, that's an out invitation, right, And

636
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: it leads me more and more to this inevitability of

637
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: a super conference. And I hear it when people say,

638
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: well that stinks. Here's the thing. If you like, I'm

639
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: right down the road from University Connecticut, if you're a

640
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Yukon football fan, you're a Yukon football fan.

641
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: But you know that Yukon football ain't playing for a.

642
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: National championship, right, So at some point I think we're

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: gonna end up with a system where the Yukons of

644
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: the world can play whatever insert other team that maybe

645
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: the Indianas of the world that may or may not

646
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Speaker 3: even be part of this. You know, I think we're

647
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: going to have a situation where football separates itself from

648
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: everybody else, and then school is going to have the

649
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: opportunity to decide do they want to handle football like

650
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: like like the big boys in the Super Conference? Do

651
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: they want to be in a middle tier like Look,

652
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: University of Wisconsin. Whitewater has a very successful Division III program,

653
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: all right, so they want a lot of national championships

654
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: and people go to those games and they care about

655
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Speaker 3: those games. Do we nationally sit there and flock to

656
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: a UWW game, No we don't, right, But at some

657
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: point every school is going to have to decide do

658
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Speaker 3: they want to be whatever this second tieries or do

659
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Speaker 3: they want to be in the super Conference?

660
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Speaker 4: And if you want to be in the.

661
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Speaker 3: Super Conference, it's going to require a huge investment in

662
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: salary caps and a collective bargaining agreement and all of

663
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: these different things.

664
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Speaker 4: And that's complicated. But through it.

665
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Speaker 3: All, if you are wired your entire life to be

666
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: a Georgia football fan, as long as you can still

667
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: be a Georgia football fan, you're going to be a

668
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: Georgia football fan. And I just that's the part of

669
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: this that everybody gets worked up and I hear college

670
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: football people tell me, oh, it's the death of the sport.

671
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: No, it isn't. It's just the evolution of the sport.

672
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Speaker 3: It's a change to the sport, and you know, frankly,

673
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: jarring change hurts everybody in every sport.

674
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Speaker 4: I remember growing up as a kid with.

675
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Speaker 3: The Seattle Seahawks's arrival because the Seattle Seahawks were in

676
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Speaker 3: the AFC West, Like I rooted.

677
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Speaker 4: Against the Seattle Seahawks.

678
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Speaker 3: They're now in the NFC West, and nobody sits there

679
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: and remembers that anymore, Like we don't remember how different

680
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: these conferences look like when it was a Big eight, right, right,

681
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: So I just think, as much as everybody's running around

682
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Speaker 3: like Kermit the Frog with their arms in their every

683
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: one of these changes in five years, as long as

684
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Speaker 3: you can watch your favorite football team play for some

685
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: version of a championship, you're going to keep watching it.

686
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Speaker 3: And the small audiences for the small schools will have

687
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Speaker 3: small audiences with small schools, and the big ones will

688
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Speaker 3: have big ones.

689
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Speaker 5: College football is unique this way, though, because I mentioned

690
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: the tribal nature of SEC fandom and stuff like that,

691
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: and the way that traditions have have held stood the

692
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Speaker 5: test of time, essentially in this sport versus a lot

693
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Speaker 5: of other sports, where You're right that evolution has come

694
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Speaker 5: for a lot of different sports, be they the NFL,

695
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 5: the WNBA. Like we were talking about earlier, baseball has

696
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: had to go through changes, and that's some of the

697
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Speaker 5: most some of the most crimudgety, you know, reticent to

698
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: change fans that you can have who are probably happier

699
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: with the idea that they can go to a baseball

700
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Speaker 5: game and get out of there in under three hours at.

701
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Speaker 6: This point in their life based on the right.

702
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Speaker 5: It's just like these things, they will become more ingrained

703
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: as more time passes, to your point, but college football fandom,

704
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: they feel differently about it. And maybe it's just because

705
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 5: I'm in the southeast part of the country and I

706
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 5: feel this more viscerally from the audience that I work

707
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 5: with on a local basis as opposed to what we

708
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: do here nationally on Fox Sports Radio. But that is

709
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Speaker 5: something that that's the most common refrain that I get

710
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Speaker 5: that we have been able to hold up. We've been

711
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: able to continue to do this and do it our

712
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Speaker 5: way and still be America's second most popular sport after

713
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Speaker 5: the NFL. Why are these changes having to come?

714
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: Now?

715
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Speaker 5: This is not the college football that I know. It's

716
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: not the college football that I love, And that's fine,

717
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: and those people, there are some people who will go

718
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Speaker 5: to their grave with that, and some people will eventually

719
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: adapt to those changes and just be able to watch

720
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Speaker 5: the best games, because that's I'm more like you, FITZI

721
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: than I am the diehard college football fan in this

722
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: particular arena, because I just want to watch the best

723
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Speaker 5: teams playing as many games as humanly possible, and if

724
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Speaker 5: a super league accomplishes that to where I can watch

725
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: Texas and Michigan on a regular basis, or Alabama and

726
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: Clemson on a regular basis, or whatever power for program

727
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Speaker 5: versus another power for program that you might not otherwise

728
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Speaker 5: get unless you went to a super team power conference

729
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 5: model or a super conference model.

730
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Speaker 6: In this particular case, I just.

731
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Speaker 5: Don't see what the issue is because that's going to

732
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Speaker 5: be the best, the best entertainment value for my dollar,

733
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Speaker 5: whether I'm paying for YouTube TV, a cable subscription, any

734
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Speaker 5: one of these streaming services that now carry college football.

735
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Speaker 6: I think Peacock now.

736
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Speaker 5: Has Notre Dame games on a regular basis, and things

737
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Speaker 5: like that. It's just that you're going to have You're

738
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: going to have a harder time with college football, die

739
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Speaker 5: hard in this particular thing. Evolution not lost on me

740
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Speaker 5: that you would have trouble with an evolution theory in

741
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Speaker 5: the South.

742
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Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying, Like.

743
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Speaker 4: Rising by the way, listen.

744
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Speaker 5: They got me locally, They know what this is. That's

745
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: it's I love you all very very much, but you

746
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: understand my point. They're just going it's gonna take them

747
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 5: more time and you're gonna have to drag them kicking

748
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 5: and screaming, but.

749
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Speaker 6: Eventually we're all going to move in the same direction.

750
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And everybody that's sitting here resisting it at this

751
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: point is spitting in the wind. That's the thing to me.

752
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: It's wasted energy. Every single legal challenge that has tried

753
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: to thwart the player's ability at college football to get

754
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: paid and to have name, image likeness, to have transfer capability,

755
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: every single legal challenge that has.

756
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: Been made has been lost.

757
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: So if you're sitting here saying, oh my god, I

758
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: want the college football that I had of old, I

759
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: will remind you that it has been challenged in court,

760
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: not the court of public opinion. It has been challenged

761
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: by actual judges and it has been ripped apart. So

762
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: if your answer is it was great the way it

763
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: was and scholarships work and blah blah blah blah blah,

764
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: guess what the courts, the US judicial system decided you

765
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: all are wrong. So you just got to hear it,

766
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: acknowledge it, and move on from it. And that's the

767
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: hardest thing for people to do. So what's it mean

768
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Speaker 3: for the future. What's it gonna look like? We'll keep

769
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Speaker 3: breaking it down. He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. We

770
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: are hanging out with you on a glorious fourth of

771
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Speaker 3: July edition of Two Pros.

772
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: And a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.

773
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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

774
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

775
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

776
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: With the Athletic getting their hands on documents at show.

777
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: It's much easier than most of us anticipated for several

778
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: of their main schools to be able to move out

779
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: of the ACC and get to a super conference. In

780
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: college football, the question is what's it look like? He's

781
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Speaker 3: Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with you on

782
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Speaker 3: two Pros and a Cup of Joe on a fourth

783
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Speaker 3: of July edition, and Buck, we were just talking about this.

784
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: Here's the hard part. I genuinely do feel for tradition,

785
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: and I feel for fandom, and I I get to

786
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: do what I do every day because of my fandom

787
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: for the Raiders, right, and that is like, that's ingrained

788
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: in my entire life. So I understand what it's like

789
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: to be a massive super fan like I am. I'm

790
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: a grown ass man whose entire week changes based on

791
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: how the Raiders play. And I know how stupid that is,

792
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: and I can't change it. I wish I could, Like

793
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: it's I understand the adrenaline, the rush. I understand that,

794
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, Sundays are like a roller coaster, usually with

795
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: a really bad ending for me. I get the passion,

796
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: and I get that there are people out there that

797
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: are passionate about Arizona State, and there's people that are

798
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: passionate about you know, BYU, and passionate about random schools

799
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: that occasionally get everybody's attention, but year in and year

800
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: out may not be in the same boat as the

801
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: Georgia's and the Michigan's and the Ohio States and the

802
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: Alabamas and I but I'm also just this incredible logic

803
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: based realist and everything I do. So I think there's

804
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: this inevitable split coming in college football where a super

805
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: conference is going to represent most of the teams and

806
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: then everybody else. You're just gonna have to make a decision,

807
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: like you're just gonna decide do you want to play

808
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: for essentially the nit of college football. Like there is

809
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: a Division III in college football. You know there are

810
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: other divisions in college football that still play. I think

811
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: we're gonna end up with Division I college football having

812
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: a split. You're just gonna have everybody else and you're

813
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: gonna have a super conference.

814
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure.

815
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Speaker 3: People are gonna watch everybody else, but super fans will.

816
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: And then schools are gonna have to find out if

817
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: there's enough super fans to actually support it, and if

818
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: there isn't, it will go away. And that's just what happens.

819
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: Like in the world, that's just what happens. If not

820
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: enough people want.

821
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: To watch it, it goes away.

822
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Speaker 5: And that's the kind of thing that member institutions of

823
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: whatever power conference they're currently aligned with, or the have

824
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 5: nots who are kind of tangentially. I don't want to

825
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: say grifting. It sounds a bit a bit harsh, but

826
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Speaker 5: I'll use a local example.

827
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Speaker 6: Okay, Vanderbilt and the SECNDY always Mandy, Vandy and Vandy.

828
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Speaker 5: You know, got a little momentum Diego Pavia out here

829
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 5: throwing shade at other SEC programs. He's the quarterback, he's

830
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 5: a transfer. Last year's transfer. He upset Alabama, one of

831
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: the most ridiculous college football results I've ever seen. And

832
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: you do lose some of that specialness when one of

833
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 5: these have nots finally, finally, finally gets one over on

834
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: the halves. But in reality, for the history of Vanderbilt football,

835
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 5: it has been grifting off the SEC.

836
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 6: It has just been along for the ride.

837
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Speaker 5: It benefits hugely from the amount of revenue sharing that

838
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 5: that conference distributes. They don't spend the money, or at

839
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: least they haven't reinvested the money historically back into those

840
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 5: athletic programs because there's not that level of investment from

841
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: alumni or fans.

842
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 6: That would require you to do just that.

843
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 5: They can continue to just produce a product, win national

844
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: championships in baseball, for example, and the basketball program will

845
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: have a moment. The football program may have a moment

846
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 5: or two. Seven wins at Vanderbilt last season is a

847
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 5: celebrat it's huge success, but in reality, Van he's been

848
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: getting away with it for a long time in the

849
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Speaker 5: SEC as a member of the SEC. So if Vanderbilt

850
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: was eventually to get relegated and super conferences were to

851
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 5: form and they started playing in a more reasonable level

852
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 5: of competition for a more appropriate audience based on who

853
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 5: actually seeks out Vanderbilt football games, then to your point,

854
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: I think that's just a natural evolution of the sport

855
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 5: where the economics are simply catching up to these universities

856
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 5: in these programs who have been attached to larger conferences

857
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 5: than they probably should be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's also a part of me, and this

859
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: is where everybody will comments on it, always say yeah,

860
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: but think about all the other athletes that are you

861
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: gonna lose opportunity because that school lost football And there's

862
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: something that no people don't care, like.

863
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: Look, I am not the people care, but that there

864
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 5: is something that that there will be a.

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Speaker 3: Result, there will be I actually spoke directly to the

866
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Speaker 3: athletic directors and the Board of Directors at Michigan State

867
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: several years ago because they were eliminating swimming and diving

868
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Speaker 3: and the way they went about it, I think was

869
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: shady and what it meant for Title nine was shady.

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Speaker 4: I think that they did a lot of things, but

871
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Speaker 4: nobody cared. I tried.

872
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: I even went to ESPN reporters and tried to get

873
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Speaker 3: people to care about the elimination of swimming and diving,

874
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Speaker 3: and it was laughed at because.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, nobody really cares.

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Speaker 3: There are a handful of families that are impacted, but

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Speaker 3: this is that virtue signaling that you talk about all

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 5: Oh, looks like we might have lost FITZI there for

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Speaker 5: a second with his thoughts on the situation, So we

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Speaker 5: will recoup here on Fox Sports Radio, It's two pros

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Speaker 5: and a Cup of Joe on this July fourth weekend,