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Speaker 1: watch all this stuff I've never seen. I watched The Matrix,

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00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: and my takeaway at the end of the whole thing,

429
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like a lot of people missed

430
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,959
Speaker 1: the point of this movie. Like it felt to me

431
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: like the most obvious thing was Trinity. Loving Neo was

432
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: how Neo was able to believe that he was the one,

433
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: which is the only way he was able to become

434
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 1: the one. So without love, he wouldn't have known his

435
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: own potential. Her belief in him allowed him to believe

436
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: in himself because he loved her, and if she believed

437
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: in him, then he believed in him. To me, that

438
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 1: is love. Love is finding somebody who believes in you

439
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: so much that you couldn't possibly not believe in yourself.

440
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that that needing self love to be

441
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: augmented by someone else? Is like? Is that part of

442
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: love you like? Is there a missing piece that, like,

443
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: for example, your boyfriend or someone that you love fills

444
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: because you that's part of that your foundational understanding of

445
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: love is like having something else there to make it real.

446
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: It's having a partner to whether any storm with. It's

447
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: having a teammate. It's having someone you can always trust

448
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: that they're going to be honest with you and also

449
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: keep you grounded, remind you of who you are. It's

450
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: just an external reflection of your best self to remind you.

451
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at my boyfriend and he

452
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: looks at me, I can almost it helps me be

453
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 1: aware of me because I see him looking at me.

454
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: Is this making any sense? No, it makes total sense.

455
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: I just think it's really I think it's really interesting.

456
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: Think it's really interesting because what you're describing really is

457
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: like having this coach that you're allowed to be in

458
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: love with. It is that bad? Am I finding out

459
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: that I'm codependent? No? Not all, are you joking? It

460
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 1: just means that that you're literally like living in the

461
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: world that you love being in, which is like, of

462
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: course love would have a sports analogy in it for you. Yeah,

463
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: that's the word. Is that somebody to imbue you just

464
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: say your self love, you are worthy, and then you

465
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: yourself see yourself as worthy. Yeah, that's every great teacher.

466
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, if we need someone to help us get there,

467
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: why the hell not? I mean again, for me life,

468
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: all bets are off. That's why I hate you know

469
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: how to books about certainly the big life subjects, because

470
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: it's not one size fits all. It's not if you

471
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: do this, then this will happen. It's like read this,

472
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: think about this, and then put it into your main frame.

473
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: But like you've really identified I like having knowing someone

474
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: loves me. It makes me help me love myself better.

475
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: So if that makes you feel good, then who's to

476
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: say that you're supposed to get the self love first

477
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: and then be loved. Everybody says it, But here's the thing,

478
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: that you have to love yourself before someone else can

479
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: love you. Does still ring true to me because I

480
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: think there was a period of my life where I

481
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: was The best way I can describe it is like

482
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: acting out what I thought I was supposed to be

483
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: doing and then I sort of had, you know, life happen,

484
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: and recently have come into like just do what you

485
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: want to be doing. And I think once I came

486
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: into that was when I found I mean, I think

487
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: he's the love of my life and you know, have

488
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: had this incredible relationship that came exactly when I needed it.

489
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: And he sort of helps me remember me as opposed

490
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: to telling you know what I mean, Instead of telling

491
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: me I'm worthy and so I'm worthy, it's more like

492
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: sometimes I forget and he will remind me of it.

493
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: And because he exists externally from my brain, which sometimes

494
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: I get into situations because of my mental health because

495
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: I struggle with depression and I have a d h D.

496
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes things get a little toxic upstairs and I can't

497
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: tell if it's me or if it's real. And he's

498
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: sort of just like the what's the thing in in

499
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: that movie about dreaming. It's a little token or whatever

500
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: that they have that reminds them of an inception. What

501
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: do they call it? What is it? Well, it's his

502
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: spinning top or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's he's like my

503
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: little like okay, the spins. So it is real, I

504
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend like that too. Oh no, is that?

505
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: Did you say you had a boyfriend like this too?

506
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: As in like I'm gonna that this is going to

507
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: end and I'm gonna go under the next one. No no, no, no, no,

508
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend like that now, okay, thos it

509
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: had damn so it ends? No no, no no, no, no no.

510
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: And it's all of that idea that you have to

511
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: get there by yourself. Yes, it's a really nice and

512
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: great thing. And of course finding self love and yourself

513
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: is a really good thing to aim for. Having help

514
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: and being augmented by a loving partner or someone who

515
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: is more tolerant of your ship than you are of

516
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: your own is a really good thing, well prescribed so

517
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: many things. It's really you know yourself to know that

518
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: he's helping that part of you that is in pain

519
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: or is difficult. So that feels a lot like love

520
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, also Neo and Trinity for sure.

521
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: And just as an aside, I met the as was

522
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: then witch Howski Brothers now just the Wichowskis for that

523
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: part and wanted to in that film. Oh my god,

524
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: you would have been great. No, But but there can

525
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: be only one. I mean, carry On Moss was who

526
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: Carryan's just plays it perfectly. She really is. It's just

527
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: she's just the most beautiful and lovely and deep. But

528
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember looking at the storyboards of that film and going,

529
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: this film is epic. It's very good. I wasted so

530
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: many years not dressing up as her for Halloween. I

531
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: waited way too long to watch it. That's okay, sort of.

532
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: The nineties are really bad. They really are. I've got

533
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: like bangs. You know we're doing it. You just don't

534
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: plug your eyebrows. No, I won't. Can we never go

535
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: back to whatever we were doing? Then? It's just terrific.

536
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: It was awful. It really was awful. So in your life,

537
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: what person, place, or experience has most altered it? I

538
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: want to give credit to the good. But I'm I

539
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm voluntarily bringing up this topic. But I'm

540
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: going to say middle school. I think middle school as

541
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: a place and as just like an entire chapter of

542
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: my life shaped me the most as a person. Because look,

543
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: I was born into middle class family in a suburb

544
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: framing him Massachusetts shout out. You know, life wasn't hard

545
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: by a large metric. But I had a bad haircut

546
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: from first grade through eighth grade, and those last three

547
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: years there were a real tough time because it was

548
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: six seventh eighth, which is when kids like no enough

549
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: words to hurt you, and um I was. I wasn't

550
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: very popular, but I was such a happy, smiley, friendly

551
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: kid and wanted everybody to like me. And I think

552
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: I learned in middle school a lot about people, and

553
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: a lot about me, and a lot about how little

554
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things matter, like the opinions of people

555
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: whose opinions you, in other contexts wouldn't respect. I think

556
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: it taught me the value of being a good friend,

557
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: because that was one of the only ways I was

558
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: going to make a lot of friends is by, you know,

559
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: being there for people who didn't have anybody else. And

560
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: so I've always said this about me and never really

561
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: understood what it said about me. I used to think

562
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: it was a bad thing that if somebody was being bullied,

563
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: even if that person had bullied me before, I would

564
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: always be like, all right, do you want to talk

565
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: about it and be there for them. I always thought

566
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: it was a weakness, and I'm starting to see it

567
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: as a fundamental part of who I am. It's tough

568
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: now because when we get into issues of bigger things

569
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: like hatred and race and all the things. I'm not

570
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: saying that I'm a person that thinks people can do

571
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: no wrong. I'm a person that values holding people accountable

572
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: with a loving hand. Does that make sense? I don't know.

573
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: I just think people were mean to people and I

574
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: wanted to be nice. So let me ask you. Does

575
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: that inform dealing with that version of middle school today,

576
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: which for me is like certain aspects of social media

577
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: and that toxicity that's there. Oh yeah? Was it are

578
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: traumatically recognizable for you? Or do you try and deal

579
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: with it in the same way? I mean, I don't

580
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: think it eviogates maybe easier, but it actually I mean,

581
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: in the last few years, I think it has. My

582
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: relationship with social media I would not describe as healthy.

583
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: I came up through you know, YouTube videos, and when

584
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: I was making YouTube videos, I was reading the comments.

585
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: I used to run my own Facebook page where I

586
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: had like seventy fans and I would talk to them.

587
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: I would like post and they would post. I knew

588
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: them by name. When one of them just stopped posting,

589
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: I noticed, I asked where he was like, I'm incredibly online.

590
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: What I've started to look at social media as now

591
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: is like, you get to watch people interacting with each other.

592
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're doing it performatively, sometimes they know like somebody

593
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: else send a tweet where it's like I feel this

594
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: way about this thing, and I've done it all figured out.

595
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff you gotta take with a grain

596
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: of salt. But when you get into the meat of it,

597
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: when you scroll down through the replies and the conversations

598
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: that branch off from the replies, or if you scroll

599
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: through Reddit, not at the you know, controversial top pages,

600
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: but you go to the pages of things you're interested in,

601
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: and why watch people have conversations. You can observe humans

602
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: and how they interact and how conflicts happen, and where

603
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: the disagreements happen, and when disagreements turn into agreements. You

604
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, that that's how they bridged that gap.

605
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: You can learn stuff. And so I started looking at

606
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: social media that way. I used to get in arguments

607
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: all the time, replying to tweet something You're not seeing

608
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: it my way. And I had a boyfriend and ex

609
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: boyfriend now who was like, you're not gonna change people's minds.

610
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Why do you care? And I was like, it's a

611
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: really good point. But I think the reason I care

612
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: is because to not care implies that I think I'm

613
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: better or different than anybody else. I think a lot

614
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: of people want to be a part of the conversation.

615
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: The way that they can do that is social media.

616
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: The good of that that we've seen as people and

617
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: communities who haven't had an avenue to speak on things

618
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: and the way that they receive things have been able

619
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: to speak up and and meet each other and sort

620
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: of come together and form movements. I think the bad

621
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: side of it is that everybody gets to say anything

622
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: they want about everything that happens, and everything is constantly happening.

623
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: So you get this world where now we have news

624
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: organizations that write articles where the headline is blank. Happens

625
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: and social media erupts and you're like, yes, something happened

626
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: and people reacted, but is it worth writing a whole

627
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: article on your website, which then makes it seem like

628
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: this idea that maybe seventeen people had is now an

629
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: idea that people should pick sides on. It turns everything

630
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: into a conversation about the conversation instead of an actual

631
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: conversation about a thing. And so like I've tried to,

632
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, be the change you want to see in

633
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the world. Blah blah blah. I try to when I

634
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: log onto social media. Now, this is so stupid, but

635
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: hopefully it will make sense to someone. And I'm not

636
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: recommending this, but my approaches. I pretend it's somebody who

637
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: loves me, who's joking or who um isn't as good

638
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: at communicating as I am, haven't studied and thought about

639
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: the amount of words and how to use them the

640
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: way that I have. So I give them the benefit

641
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: of the doubt a little bit. And then if they

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Speaker 1: continue to prove and I've got my own little red flags,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, that's one. That's one strike.

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Speaker 1: You're not getting past this. Uh, I will end the

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Speaker 1: conversation for my own sake. But I've noticed people you

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Speaker 1: can kind of be like, I get it. I disagree,

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Speaker 1: but I get it. On like certain things, there are

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Speaker 1: places they can go that are bad. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: my privilege has made it so I don't have to

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Speaker 1: deal with much of that. But whenever I hear people say,

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Speaker 1: here's the problem with social media like people. It's people.

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Speaker 1: Heart of it is people. It's just people. Even the

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Speaker 1: things that are the problem with social media that's engineered

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Speaker 1: by the social it's made by people. And so what

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Speaker 1: the problem always boiled down to me, it felt like

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Speaker 1: was it's people. And as a people, I'm like, maybe

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Speaker 1: I can find some sort of an answer about how

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Speaker 1: I think we should use it, and then I can

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Speaker 1: just start using it that way and see how it works.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I do. I'm also fascinated by what

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Speaker 1: was your haircut between first and eighth grade? I can

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Speaker 1: show you it. I want to see that, because like,

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Speaker 1: what was that so bad? It was? So I'm Italian,

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Speaker 1: um like three quarters Italian, a quarter Irish, So that

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Speaker 1: means I'm furry, if you will, if I can put

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Speaker 1: that as cutely as possible. And so, you know, going

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Speaker 1: through puberty, I had this short haircut. So it was

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Speaker 1: like my mom would do this little swoosh, she would

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Speaker 1: blow dry this little wave at the front. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then it was just short like a boy's haircut in

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Speaker 1: the back. And so I was, you know, often misunderstood

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Speaker 1: for a boy because you know, at that age you

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Speaker 1: see the haircut, you just assume. I played hockey when

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Speaker 1: I was really little, so I had a helmet and

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Speaker 1: was called Kyle. I was quiet and speak up, and

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Speaker 1: I would just let them. I didn't want to have

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Speaker 1: to explain that I was a girl that felt uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Then as I was getting older and trying to grow

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Speaker 1: it out, and it was, it went through this awkward stay.

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Speaker 1: I'll try to find you the worst picture I have many,

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Speaker 1: it's real bad. I'm sure that your mom was just

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Speaker 1: being practical, having your happy short na. She was. She's like,

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Speaker 1: it makes you stand out, it's sure dead it did.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely think it was because she couldn't find me

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Speaker 1: on stage at the day's recital because all the girls

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Speaker 1: had buns, and she was like, just cut it off

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Speaker 1: and then I can find her by the way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that parenting logic, but I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: for your trauma. Oh thank you. I walked my dog

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Speaker 1: during whatever time I was home last some holiday, I

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Speaker 1: walked my dog in the middle schools right across the

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Speaker 1: street from my house. I walked my dog there and

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Speaker 1: we walked around and I peeked into the cafeteria, which

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Speaker 1: was like my own personal hell, and it just I

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Speaker 1: was like, ha, I made it, so screw all, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I made it. My dog was like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Can I pee? I was like, yeah, go ahead, pee

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Speaker 1: on the building for all I care. I really have

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Speaker 1: so loved talking to you. I'm so thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I'm really, really, really excited for whatever you do next.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I have a very strong, witchy feeling.

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Speaker 1: You just feel like the right person who's going to

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Speaker 1: be able to champion everything that you're brilliant at is

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Speaker 1: just is right there. Oh many, You're just so sweet.

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Speaker 1: This is the sweetest. This has been such a joy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. There's been a bit of

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Speaker 1: a sea change in the world of sports and sports media.

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Speaker 1: With people like Katie in the industry, I think we

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Speaker 1: can feel comfortable that the future is in good hands.

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Speaker 1: To stay up to date on Katie's reporting and announcements,

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