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Speaker 1: Here, but the host it's not this week. We all
Speaker 1: know where she is.
Speaker 2: She's on her magical vacation to a place that she.
Speaker 1: Talks about all the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have to spell it out for you,
Speaker 2: you know, but I have outs and found somebody to
Speaker 2: take her place this week, but did not have to
Speaker 2: go very far.
Speaker 1: All I had to do was look across the room.
Speaker 3: And found a suitable replacement the quintessential stun Muppon himself,
Speaker 3: mister Joel Gertner joining me today, Joel, welcome back to
Speaker 3: Eyes up Here.
Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. For those who don't know.
Speaker 5: Although since all of these people are fans of the
Speaker 5: original ECW, I would imagine or have caught up with
Speaker 5: it by now. If they know Francine, then I'd like
Speaker 5: to think hopefully they're familiar with my work and they
Speaker 5: know that I am the lyrical miracle, the sexual into lectual,
Speaker 5: the cunning linguist. I'll keep stuff like that to a
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Speaker 5: I bleep Radio and the quintessential stun myuffin. Joel, I'm
Speaker 5: your favorite ECW personality, just like the queen of Extreme
Speaker 5: Friends scene, but unlike her, your older sister and your
Speaker 5: mother underage fifty five love me the most. And this
Speaker 5: week on this episode, I am your substitute host Girdener.
Speaker 5: Keep listening, it still applies. Eyes up here and have
Speaker 5: yourself and ear gazzle.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. What a way to start, Joel. I couldn't be
Speaker 1: happier to have you back.
Speaker 5: Thank you well.
Speaker 2: Joel and I were together yesterday as we're recording this
Speaker 2: in real time. We were in beautiful Jappa, Marilyn outside
Speaker 2: of Baltimore, but I think they do count it as
Speaker 2: Baltimore if you're going to use a city for the
Speaker 2: MCW fan jam And as I was walking around the
Speaker 2: room and exchanging pleasantries with a few folks in the
Speaker 2: near vicinity, we locked eyes.
Speaker 1: You didn't know who I was.
Speaker 2: I went over and introduced myself again since we had
Speaker 2: you on the show a couple of years ago. You
Speaker 2: said the wrong thing and I locked you in for
Speaker 2: eyes up here. It was if you ever.
Speaker 1: Need me, I'm right there, and I grabbed you within
Speaker 1: two seconds.
Speaker 5: And there's no substitute for a substitute. I'm run down,
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit sick as a dog, I'm a
Speaker 5: little bit beat up. But nonetheless, when I heard it
Speaker 5: was for Franny, and when I heard it was for
Speaker 5: this show, of course, out of the kindness of my heart,
Speaker 5: I am here.
Speaker 1: That's awesome too.
Speaker 2: And you know what, and before we get into the
Speaker 2: really bad stuff we're going to talk about today that
Speaker 2: has to do with the World Wrestling, I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the really good stuff that's step bond that
Speaker 2: you guys have, that ECW bond, and you don't see
Speaker 2: it with everybody. You never hear about the WCW guys
Speaker 2: that have the deep bond or those WWF guys that
Speaker 2: have that deep bond. It's that ECW crew that has
Speaker 2: something so special that when you.
Speaker 1: Guys see each other, there's really no.
Speaker 2: Really blood feuds that we know of that are really
Speaker 2: out there, and maybe one or two, but nothing crazy.
Speaker 2: You guys have a real tight group and you're always
Speaker 2: talking and you're always happy to see each other.
Speaker 1: What is it about you guys.
Speaker 2: That you still like, really have a good friendship and
Speaker 2: you always are so happy around each other.
Speaker 5: For most of us, ECW was our break. It was
Speaker 5: our first break. It was our first vehicle in establishing
Speaker 5: our career. We weren't plucked from you know, WWFWCW. You know,
Speaker 5: that was kind of our first stop. And I think
Speaker 5: there's also got to be something to the fact that
Speaker 5: we were all so young. Many of us were in
Speaker 5: our twenties. So between those two things and just the
Speaker 5: nature of being number three in a three entity war,
Speaker 5: you know, just the nature of being as Paul Hayman
Speaker 5: said at a press conference once, you know, in the
Speaker 5: in the soda Wars and the Cola Wars, we were
Speaker 5: Snapple and at the time, he said, we were happy
Speaker 5: to be that, and we were. We were the island
Speaker 5: of misfit toys. We were the little engine that could
Speaker 5: towards the end. We were the pioneers that got the
Speaker 5: arrows in our backs. And it was all of that
Speaker 5: I think helps. You know, you call it a bond.
Speaker 5: I if you're going to talk about blood feud, I
Speaker 5: go the other direction with it, and I'd say I'd
Speaker 5: call it a family, and and yeah, that's that's why
Speaker 5: we're also tight.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Again there's always the cool interactions between the ECW guys.
Speaker 2: And again that's not to despair the other promotions or
Speaker 2: the other locker rooms. But again, you don't see the
Speaker 2: w CW pals, you know, joking around and and and
Speaker 2: hanging out the way.
Speaker 1: You see the ECW guys.
Speaker 2: It's just it's there's something different there, and it's it's magical,
Speaker 2: especially you know if you see it from my point
Speaker 2: of view, because ideal on the booking side, ideal on
Speaker 2: the other side of shows, and there is a close
Speaker 2: relationship with everybody for the most part, and I think
Speaker 2: it's very cool. So yeah, absolutely, all right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: we also saw there was a lot of great people
Speaker 2: in attendance at this show. They were fans out the
Speaker 2: door for some free agents that are still hanging around,
Speaker 2: uh Nick Nemeth, Matt Riddle in attendance, fans clamoring for
Speaker 2: autographs and pictures. But I did see the Steiner brothers
Speaker 2: were kind of over in the area where you were.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they still look great, you know. I
Speaker 2: saw Lex Luger. Conventions are always very cool, but there's
Speaker 2: a guy in the news that links a lot of
Speaker 2: these people together. And you know, I don't like to
Speaker 2: throw this term around very loosely, Joel, but perhaps biggest
Speaker 2: news story of all time as it relates to wrestling still,
Speaker 2: I guess breaking as you go every day, every single day,
Speaker 2: there seems like there's something new coming out as it
Speaker 2: relates to the Vince McMahon story and everything developing.
Speaker 1: And it's becoming like the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 2: Right, It's almost like, where were you when you found
Speaker 2: out about what happened when the Vince McMahon court filings
Speaker 2: came out? So I'll start with that, Where were you
Speaker 2: when you found out when the Vince McMahon court filings
Speaker 2: came out? Were you as shocked as everybody else was
Speaker 2: to see that Vince McMahon, the guy we've heard so
Speaker 2: many crazy things about over the years, had this finally
Speaker 2: hit the surface.
Speaker 5: I'd heard some rumblings. I'd heard some kind of inside
Speaker 5: kind of remmerse, some kind of inside a little bit
Speaker 5: of baseball. I've got this cough, So I apologize in
Speaker 5: advance of my cough ever known again, I'm still shocked.
Speaker 5: Nothing shocks me. You know, on the other end of
Speaker 5: the coin, it's wrestling, right. So, like you say, even
Speaker 5: if it is, the bit looks so I've been watching
Speaker 5: since I don't know, eighty three, eighty four, so h
Speaker 5: and I've been reading the sheets since eighty nine. Even
Speaker 5: if it is the biggest story ever, there's been so
Speaker 5: much else between the eighties and now that I've seen
Speaker 5: and that I've studied that I mean, you can't be
Speaker 5: shocked or surprised by anything. I again, because I kind
Speaker 5: of you know the inside. You know, whatever I heard
Speaker 5: wasn't substantial, substantive, concert detailed. It wasn't it was you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the FEDS were investigating him, I think,
Speaker 5: and that was you know, I think different people heard
Speaker 5: rumblings about that at different times and have heard more
Speaker 5: about it or less. But when it comes to these filings,
Speaker 5: I couldn't even tell you where I was at the
Speaker 5: moment that I heard. I'm not sure, because you know, again,
Speaker 5: it's just you know, you just see, you know, when
Speaker 5: ECW closed up, you had to be perceptive, and you
Speaker 5: had to kind of see towards the very end. Week
Speaker 5: by week you had to kind of see writing on
Speaker 5: the wall and That's kind of how it was with
Speaker 5: I think this where like maybe you're hearing the FEDS
Speaker 5: are interested. Maybe you're hearing that there's something having to
Speaker 5: do with Vince being a liability, and it may be
Speaker 5: being something along the lines of the RIDA chattered and thing.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe you know you're hearing this and you're
Speaker 5: hearing that, and I don't know, you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of lost my train of thought. I mean, that's how
Speaker 5: kind of scattered and how kind of you know, scattered
Speaker 5: plot and scattershot at all is because you know, like
Speaker 5: I say, I couldn't tell you where I was, and
Speaker 5: I'm not entirely surprised just because nothing. I don't allow
Speaker 5: anything in wrestling to kind of, you know, shock me.
Speaker 5: And but you know, again, you see different. You know,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Kevin Dunn retires, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, Kevin done at this point as an
Speaker 5: older gentleman. He's older than me, he's however old he is,
Speaker 5: he's been with the company whatever four decades. Vince is.
Speaker 5: You know, there's that, but like so some of it
Speaker 5: maybe is Monday morning quarterbacking, right like like kind of hindsight.
Speaker 5: But regardless, like the kind of again, there's been, there's been,
Speaker 5: and I you know, there's writing on the wall, I guess,
Speaker 5: and I don't know what to tell you. Man, No,
Speaker 5: I have no idea where I was when I actually
Speaker 5: heard that her case was being filed.
Speaker 1: It I we gotta, we gotta go through a couple
Speaker 1: of those points.
Speaker 2: One that Kevin dun Thing for sure was to me
Speaker 2: the first thing I thought of, because when I'd read
Speaker 2: through the whole filing, I had some free time throughout
Speaker 2: my regular day.
Speaker 1: I did read the whole sixty.
Speaker 2: Seven page filing, and when it was naming like unnamed executive,
Speaker 2: I'm not despair. I'm not trying to throw anybody's name.
Speaker 2: It's explicitly under the bus. But he was the first name,
Speaker 2: and that popped in my head because he was such
Speaker 2: a high profile name to depart, who was so linked
Speaker 2: to Vince over the years that it's just fishy, as
Speaker 2: we would say, you know, it's just suspicious.
Speaker 1: But again, I could be one hundred dead wrong. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. I'm not saying that. I'm saying it.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to cover my so of course, and maybe
Speaker 5: he was ready to retire, like I said, he's in
Speaker 5: a certain age whatever maybe he was, and he's got
Speaker 5: you know whatever, he's got eight figures worth. It was weird.
Speaker 1: It was very weird.
Speaker 5: But on and on the other end of the coin,
Speaker 5: like that company is his life. Yes, he's one of
Speaker 5: the top people there. Good things are happening right the
Speaker 5: company on various levels, Creative Financial is doing well. Is
Speaker 5: there's interest, it's still popular, it's still mainstream. Here comes Netflix.
Speaker 6: So you know, it was you know, so before WrestleMania,
Speaker 6: you know, you don't yeah, you don't want a big
Speaker 6: send off WrestleMania that closed out your career, right right.
Speaker 5: It was kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Ye So.
Speaker 5: You know, like I say, I mean, I wasn't surprised,
Speaker 5: and and I just you know, it didn't take me aback.
Speaker 5: It was kind of it kind of you know, I've
Speaker 5: been hearing from certain people that you know, now that
Speaker 5: the Endeavor merger had happened, that maybe Vince, being considered
Speaker 5: a liability of sorts, was going to be pushed out
Speaker 5: and pushed away, and and and it's you know, it's
Speaker 5: I guess it's happening, you know, I guess you know,
Speaker 5: because of the case he's gone ahead, and you know,
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's always a retirement, they always, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, in corporate you know, they always give you
Speaker 5: the option of retiring before they cut you loose and
Speaker 5: let you go. But uh yeah, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's and it's not over, and it's still going to
Speaker 5: play out. I think I saw on X on Twitter.
Speaker 5: I think I saw, you know, there's kind of from
Speaker 5: the publicity standpoint, from the legal standpoint, the strategicy of
Speaker 5: it all. I think I see that they're trying to
Speaker 5: disseminate the idea that Janelle Grant isn't even so much
Speaker 5: or solely interested in money or settlement, but that she's
Speaker 5: kind of interested in justice resort of you know, that
Speaker 5: kind of thing, so that you know, so I saw
Speaker 5: something in relation to that yesterday or the other day.
Speaker 5: So it's it's not over, you know. I just we
Speaker 5: always think that, oh my god, this is the biggest thing,
Speaker 5: you know, And and in a way, you know, it's
Speaker 5: not that I'm arguing with you, you know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to harp on that. I mean it could very
Speaker 5: well be, and and in certain ways it is, and
Speaker 5: it's you know, and it's arguable and it's debatable. It
Speaker 5: could be the biggest thing. But just like life, just
Speaker 5: like time, the timeline, it's never the end, you know,
Speaker 5: just like wrestling, it's never the end.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's a never ending story. It's a book with endless chapters.
Speaker 5: And just because this has shaken the world, you know,
Speaker 5: in that you know, Neck of the Woods and with WWE,
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't mean that there aren't major developments,
Speaker 5: unknown facts. You know, the story I think is still developing.
Speaker 5: And listen, man, I mean, you know, this goes back
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. People were like, oh, Vince
Speaker 5: is going to sell. They thought he was going to
Speaker 5: sell to the Saudis. Instead, there's an Endeavor merger. But really,
Speaker 5: if we're being honest with each other, it's an endeavor acquisition.
Speaker 5: At least. Now anything could happen they you know, Endeavor
Speaker 5: could decide one day that now that they've raised the
Speaker 5: profile and level of WWE up there with UFC, which
Speaker 5: was their baby first, they could decide to split them
Speaker 5: again and they could sell it to the Saudis, just
Speaker 5: like pfl is with this, you know, just like Live
Speaker 5: golfs with this. You know what I mean, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, talking about how anything could happen, and it's
Speaker 5: a book with endless chapters. You know, it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: You know, who knows what twenty twenty six holds. Who
Speaker 5: knows what twenty twenty eight holds. You know, we don't know.
Speaker 5: So I don't remember where I was because for as
Speaker 5: big of a story as it is, it just, you know,
Speaker 5: for me, it was whatever day. You know, it was Tuesday,
Speaker 5: you know, it was just it was big. But you know,
Speaker 5: this this is a crazy business. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 5: ever since I got to the ECW level, ever since
Speaker 5: about ninety five ninety six, nothing surprised me.
Speaker 1: That's very fair.
Speaker 2: You made some great historical points that I want to
Speaker 2: go back to. You know, you're a longtime fan. You
Speaker 2: said you've been watching since eighty three. You know, you've
Speaker 2: been in the sheets since eighty nine. I started watching
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. You know, I didn't really get
Speaker 2: into the Sheets until I really like hit the internet
Speaker 2: in the late nineties, maybe like ninety six. But I
Speaker 2: listened to the wrestling radio shows that were all over
Speaker 2: the New York area, you know, in the late eighties
Speaker 2: and early nineties. Ye, you know, my uncle would give
Speaker 2: me any kind of information he could the Slammer in
Speaker 2: the Daily News. I got whatever I could get, Right,
Speaker 2: We lived through this stuff, what's that likewise? Yeah, we
Speaker 2: lived through this stuff with Vince already. We lived through scandals.
Speaker 2: We lived through really bad stuff and.
Speaker 1: He was gone for a little while. But this one's bad.
Speaker 2: But we lived through some really really bad stuff if
Speaker 2: there was social media. Let's go back to nineteen ninety two, right,
Speaker 2: the Ring Boy scandal that was really bad. That was
Speaker 2: if you could put that into today's standards, that I
Speaker 2: don't honestly, I don't think the WWF would have survived
Speaker 2: had the Ring Boy scandal hit twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Because that's how bad it was.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: That is not to say that what's going on with
Speaker 2: the filings and all the stuff that's coming out now
Speaker 2: with Janelle Grant events is not better or worse, but
Speaker 2: that Ring Boy stuff was horrible, and stuff that I've
Speaker 2: heard from guys who were there at the time that's
Speaker 2: not really public. There's some really bad shit that has
Speaker 2: never been told out into the shoot interview ranks of
Speaker 2: the world. And there's a bad stuff with that Ring
Speaker 2: boy scandal and they skirted, and had it been made public,
Speaker 2: I think the WWF would have been gone forever.
Speaker 5: I believe it. And there was the steroid scandal, and
Speaker 5: before that there was Chic and Duggan, and before that
Speaker 5: there was rita Chatterdan. I mean, there's always kind of
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you know, there's always been kind
Speaker 5: of whispers and secrets and kind of you know, there's
Speaker 5: and then you know, now we find out you know,
Speaker 5: who knows you know, fabulous Mulah is you know, under
Speaker 5: the kind of microscope and people are you know, so
Speaker 5: like there's always kind of been you know, there's always
Speaker 5: been you know a little bit kind of of shady activity.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just but again, you know, just like life,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean it's you know in politics too,
Speaker 5: you know, in in entertainment and mainstream entertainment too. In
Speaker 5: Hollywood there's just uh, you know, every there's scandal. You know,
Speaker 5: it's you know, not everything is one hundred percent peaches
Speaker 5: and cream and and you know roses and you know,
Speaker 5: you know France scenes at Disney World, not everywhere is there.
Speaker 5: You know, everywhere is always the happiest place on earth,
Speaker 5: and it's just kind of the way it is and
Speaker 5: with wrestling, it just you know, it's always had a
Speaker 5: kind of edge. But you know it's you know, you
Speaker 5: got to show like dark side of the ring, so
Speaker 5: there's got to be you know, there is you know,
Speaker 5: it's not completely dark. It's not evil, it's not the
Speaker 5: bad neighborhood on the wrong side of the tracks, but
Speaker 5: there's you know, there is a dark side, you know,
Speaker 5: and there are things that happen, and there are people
Speaker 5: that you know, take liberties.
Speaker 1: What do you kind of stand with that show? With
Speaker 1: Dark Side of the Ring?
Speaker 2: It's I mean, I think there's been episodes that are
Speaker 2: been entertaining, somewhat informative and informational, but then there's some
Speaker 2: I think kind of cross the line, come off a
Speaker 2: little sallacious.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit too you know, on this as sleazy.
Speaker 2: But again, you know that's just me as a as
Speaker 2: a fan somebody who's worked around the business, but somebody
Speaker 2: who's in the business like yourself, Like where do you
Speaker 2: kind of fall on the dark side of the Ring discussion?
Speaker 5: I'm glad it's around to critique, you know, like like
Speaker 5: like you say, some episodes are better than others. It
Speaker 5: can you know, depending on your opinion or how what
Speaker 5: you know about a certain story, how much you know
Speaker 5: who you know that kind of thing, you know you
Speaker 5: it is. It is varied and it is eclectic. You know,
Speaker 5: it's not one hundred percent precise. I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's meant to be. I mean they put a lot
Speaker 5: of time, effort, money, and energy into it. They when
Speaker 5: they cast for people who are to look like the
Speaker 5: people that they're portraying and representing, they do a bang
Speaker 5: up job. They do an unbelievable job finding people that
Speaker 5: pretty much look exactly like the wrestling person that they
Speaker 5: are trying to represent. So you know, it's not shoddy,
Speaker 5: it's not ramshackle, and it's not hand fisted. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think they're trying their best and doing their best work,
Speaker 5: and a lot of the time, I think it's worthwhile.
Speaker 5: I think it's informative. I think it's entertaining, and I'm
Speaker 5: glad that it's on the air, that it got green lit,
Speaker 5: that it got produced, that it's aired, and that you know,
Speaker 5: you know that we're able to critique it. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there's a couple I mean we reviewed I would.
Speaker 2: Say three or four from this past season. We obviously
Speaker 2: we did Chris and Tammy, we did Bam Bam, and
Speaker 2: we did the Marty Jeanetti episode. And I thought that
Speaker 2: Marty Jeanetti episode, I mean I thought that at the
Speaker 2: end of it, you kind of really like it was more,
Speaker 2: you know, more very depressing than anything. But you know,
Speaker 2: they kind of built you up like always hard partying is,
Speaker 2: isn't that? But it ended up being very sad at
Speaker 2: the end, and you know, we really felt for Marty
Speaker 2: and the pain he's going through with his leg. And
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going for, you know, what
Speaker 2: are they trying to do or they trying to tell
Speaker 2: you the stories of the guys because they want you
Speaker 2: to know about their careers, or are they trying to
Speaker 2: make them look like sympathetic figures because they want you
Speaker 2: to feel bad for them.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's a very weird thing.
Speaker 2: But now you know, we have an episode like Sandman
Speaker 2: is coming up in this new season. I'm dying to
Speaker 2: watch it because I've been around sand Man a lot
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, and he's a walking
Speaker 2: episode of Dark Southern because he's I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be one of the best episodes ever because he's great.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's he's amazing, So I can't imagine
Speaker 2: what they got out of him for an hour.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a genius. Yeah, I think I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: surprised if A lot of what they're going for is
Speaker 5: they want you to see how unique and special and interesting, bizarre,
Speaker 5: whatever the real people behind the wrestling gimmicks are. I
Speaker 5: think they want you to see the real Marty today,
Speaker 5: behind Rocker Marty Jeanetti. I think they want you to
Speaker 5: see the real life currently of Abdullah the Butcher. I
Speaker 5: think they want you to see that this isn't I'm
Speaker 5: not saying it exists. I'm picking the first quote that
Speaker 5: I think is close. This isn't exactly what I mean,
Speaker 5: But I think a lot of it is they want
Speaker 5: you to see that the truth can be stranger than fiction.
Speaker 5: You know, they want to give you a kind of
Speaker 5: a window, kind of some insight, and shine a light
Speaker 5: on these real human beings whose lives might just be
Speaker 5: more interesting than then being a cannibal from the Sudan,
Speaker 5: you know, Like I mean, you know that that's one
Speaker 5: you know, that's one idea, is that you know, there's
Speaker 5: they're just going for these documentaries that you know, are
Speaker 5: not just telling the story of the stories that have
Speaker 5: been told, but they're kind of giving you the real
Speaker 5: story of the real people who are the actor athletes
Speaker 5: who have portrayed these interesting characters that you're used to seeing.
Speaker 2: Right because a lot of times we blur the line
Speaker 2: between where does it end, where does it begin?
Speaker 1: Where do we go?
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's a great point, as a
Speaker 2: fantastic point.
Speaker 1: Is there a story you'd like to see on there?
Speaker 5: You know, I've never thought to kind of pick a
Speaker 5: That's an interesting question. I've never thought of that. I've
Speaker 5: never thought of the show in that way.
Speaker 1: They covered some good ones, I have to say.
Speaker 2: I mean they they've hit a lot of like the
Speaker 2: you know, hey, these are the classic wrestling stories.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, we pulled them out.
Speaker 2: I have to say, in ratings wise, some of the
Speaker 2: more interesting ones that the longtime wrestling fan wants to
Speaker 2: hear about were like their lowest rated ones, like Adrian Adonis.
Speaker 2: What longtime wrestling fan knows his backstory?
Speaker 1: None.
Speaker 5: I was amped up to see what they were gonna
Speaker 5: do with the done Have they done a Vince McMahon one.
Speaker 1: Yet I don't think they've gone all in on his back.
Speaker 5: Right, That's what I'm That's what I'm yeah, because that's
Speaker 5: what I'm wondering too. And like, now, if you give
Speaker 5: it a beat and you wait, I don't know how
Speaker 5: many more seasons they're gonna do. But if if you
Speaker 5: let this story develop, and you even were to give
Speaker 5: it a year or two years, you could do a
Speaker 5: Vince episode. But how are you going to get it
Speaker 5: all in in one hour? When Vince goes back to
Speaker 5: the seventies, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not an episode, that's the season itself. But
Speaker 2: then the Piggy's back piggyb excuse me. Off of what
Speaker 2: Francine and I covered a few weeks ago, I was
Speaker 2: appear we talked about there was a Netflix documentary that
Speaker 2: was being discussed or filmed. Apparently Dave Meltzer had reported
Speaker 2: about that. He was even interviewed for it. A Vince
Speaker 2: project at Netflix. That makes a lot of sense now
Speaker 2: that they signed with Netflix to bring raw there and
Speaker 2: a lot of classic content.
Speaker 1: Where does that go?
Speaker 2: So that was supposed to be chronicling everything that was
Speaker 2: supposed to hit the good stuff the bad stuff and
Speaker 2: the new stuff, right, well, does that include this? Does
Speaker 2: that include the last two weeks? So that's that is
Speaker 2: a excellent choice. But Netflix might have the rights already.
Speaker 2: We'll move forward a little bit and speaking of a
Speaker 2: Vince Creation WrestleMania season, we're in the middle of it,
Speaker 2: hitting a town you know very well, Philadelphia. Will you
Speaker 2: be in telling miss WrestleMania in a kenna?
Speaker 5: I will, I will, I will. I'm gonna be at
Speaker 5: the ECW Arena as a matter of fact, and there's
Speaker 5: no place in a way that I'd rather be. But
Speaker 5: I'm going to be there for Battleground Championship Wrestling. They've
Speaker 5: got two shows on the Friday. I'm gonna be at both,
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna be at the Meet Forreat in between. Again,
Speaker 5: I don't want to talk too much about Battleground because
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a certain kind of lack of
Speaker 5: respect and kind of you know, I feel me and
Speaker 5: Tim Embler are oil and water, and I mean he
Speaker 5: had me arrested at the last show. So you know,
Speaker 5: I'll be with my boys, my faction, the Sex with
Speaker 5: your Next ex Express and and I will be I'll
Speaker 5: be on the ECW themed show, of course, because it's
Speaker 5: a battle to see who the greatest male manager. And
Speaker 5: I had fran Seen and one or two other people
Speaker 5: in mind when I made sure to say the greatest
Speaker 5: male manager. We're going to see who the greatest male
Speaker 5: manager aw happened to be when I take on the
Speaker 5: man who calls it right down the middle, allegedly in
Speaker 5: his own way for himself, Bill Alfonso Phonsie himself with
Speaker 5: that annoying, grading, brain piercing whistle of his, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, God bless them. You know it'll be happening
Speaker 5: when I take on Phonsie at the ECW arena and
Speaker 5: prove that I'm the greatest ECW mail manager of all time.
Speaker 5: It's there's a certain level of irony because in the
Speaker 5: state of Pennsylvania, their lottery system, the Pennsylvania State Lottery,
Speaker 5: the proceeds benefit senior elder Pennsylvanians. So it's outlandish to
Speaker 5: think that in that same state, in Philadelphia in April,
Speaker 5: that they are going to encourage a allow me to
Speaker 5: perform elder abuse on Bill Alfonso. But but that's gonna be
Speaker 5: what happens.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, as you would say, well, well, well that is
Speaker 2: quite the That is quite the statement. April fifth, Battleground
Speaker 2: Championship Wrestling Friday, April fifth, going down at the ECW
Speaker 2: Arena down there.
Speaker 5: I'm going up, I'm going over, of course, I'm going
Speaker 5: straight to the top, of course. And I'm going because
Speaker 5: I'm the best male manager. I'm the epitome and he's average,
Speaker 5: So like right down the middle, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: like kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, I can't imagine any other way.
Speaker 2: Uh, that weekend is a getting a lot of traction
Speaker 2: as we speak.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of rumblings. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are pissed off. There's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Blowing up timeline, tweeting, calling, writing letters if they still
Speaker 2: do that to WWE offices. Have you followed the rock
Speaker 2: Cody Roman just madness that's gone on last week.
Speaker 5: I don't think, I mean, I'm on social media. I
Speaker 5: don't think you can get away from it from it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like it's the ultimate spoiler almost because like it's,
Speaker 5: you know, even if you don't want to know any
Speaker 5: more about it, good luck, you know. And and there's
Speaker 5: levels to that stuff too, man and layers, and it's
Speaker 5: really kind of intricate man. I mean, as of yesterday,
Speaker 5: you've got what kind of just random WWE wrestlers and
Speaker 5: personalities tweeting or you know x hashtag we want Cody right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very strange Logan Paul uh sorry.
Speaker 1: Rick Ochet was another one of them.
Speaker 2: And you know whether or not that's driven by somebody
Speaker 2: on the inside or not still making a statement.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just surprised by it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's the Rock. It's not like it's some just random guy.
Speaker 5: It's the Rock.
Speaker 2: And the thing I don't get was they were in
Speaker 2: somewhere in Alabama. You could have fooled me that the
Speaker 2: people didn't like it.
Speaker 1: The place, the roof blew off of it. How did
Speaker 1: nobody like that?
Speaker 5: And now they want the call we need Cody, we
Speaker 5: need Code.
Speaker 1: That's blasphemy.
Speaker 5: They wanted the Rock last week. Hey, listen, it's great
Speaker 5: when everybody's over, you know, when Cody's over and the
Speaker 5: Rock is over and everybody loves to hate Roman reigns,
Speaker 5: and when you've got all these personalities and it's a
Speaker 5: dog pile, it's a fight to see where it's almost
Speaker 5: like you've got too many top guys it's a good
Speaker 5: problem to have, and the Rock's a movie star, So
Speaker 5: why not have this play out like a movie. Why
Speaker 5: not have this play out like a soap opera. Why
Speaker 5: not have a play within a play. Why not have
Speaker 5: there be creative in the real world. Why not have
Speaker 5: it be a work shoot. Why not work the boys
Speaker 5: a little bit? Why not get the boys in on
Speaker 5: it a little bit? And you know, Ricochet tweets hashtag
Speaker 5: we want Cody. Of course that's gonna get It's gonna
Speaker 5: garner interest in Ricochet. It's gonna garner interest in Cody.
Speaker 5: It's gonna garner interest in the Rock, WWE in WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: It's gonna you know, who knows. You know, I think,
Speaker 5: you know, if creative can. It's also, you know, I
Speaker 5: think the people who are saying that all of these
Speaker 5: machinations that are in the works now that we're talking
Speaker 5: about with Cody, the Rock and the wrestlers tweeting and stuff,
Speaker 5: a lot of it is meant to take eyes off
Speaker 5: of take focus away from the real life whatever. Real
Speaker 5: in wrestling, you never know what real life whatever, but
Speaker 5: the real life in the sense of the real woes
Speaker 5: the Vince Janelle grant stuff. So you know, who knows?
Speaker 5: Who knows? If Ricochet is told to tweet that, who knows?
Speaker 5: If five or ten a short list, a random sampling
Speaker 5: of the boys, get an email or get a DM
Speaker 5: and it says, feel free to tweet hashtag we want
Speaker 5: Cody if you think it fits your brand. And some
Speaker 5: do and some don't. You don't know what, you don't know, right,
Speaker 5: We only know what we see. We see Logan Paul
Speaker 5: tweet it, We see Ricochet. We don't know if that's
Speaker 5: up to them. We don't know if somebody asked them.
Speaker 5: We don't know if somebody told them, suggested, And again
Speaker 5: we don't know. Are they two of two? Are they
Speaker 5: two of ten? We don't know what we don't know,
Speaker 5: and that and wrestling has always been that way, you
Speaker 5: know again from I can tell you from being in
Speaker 5: the e CW locker room. The w c W guys
Speaker 5: can tell you because they were getting worked all the time.
Speaker 5: They were, they were, they were you know, they were
Speaker 5: they were working the boys. The boys had no idea,
Speaker 5: you know, what was going on. There were work shoots
Speaker 5: going on where some people didn't even you know, know
Speaker 5: that that what was going on was a work or
Speaker 5: a shoot or they were just in a complete like
Speaker 5: land of confusion, you know, and and it be that
Speaker 5: way sometimes and that's how wrestling is.
Speaker 2: So look like you said, people are talking, So I
Speaker 2: guess that's the good thing. There's interest like there wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been anyway. It's WrestleMania season.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you this final thing before we
Speaker 1: start to wrap it up. I'm gonna give you the
Speaker 1: booker hat.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Joel Gertner become the head booker of
Speaker 2: WWE Creative.
Speaker 5: Here. You're the first one.
Speaker 2: Tim Hey listen, hey, you when you work with the Chad,
Speaker 2: so you go straight to the top. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: tell you that one time, Joel.
Speaker 1: That's for me to you. What are you doing with
Speaker 1: these three? You got two nights of WrestleMania. What are
Speaker 1: you doing with them?
Speaker 5: Who are the three?
Speaker 1: Cody Rock, Cody Rock and Roman? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: You got a belt? You got Cody Rock and Roman
Speaker 2: and two Knights of Manium.
Speaker 4: What do you right?
Speaker 5: But there are two nights, right, so you've got three
Speaker 5: of them. But then you've also got to figure out
Speaker 5: you've got seth rollins You've got Kevin Owens, You've got
Speaker 5: Logan Paul, You've got CM punk. Is he hurt? How hurt?
Speaker 5: Is he? Is he going to be back in time?
Speaker 5: So that's six, maybe seven guys that we reeled off.
Speaker 5: Every time you reel off seven guys, that means there's
Speaker 5: one or two you didn't think of. Now we're talking
Speaker 5: about like eight guys. Like I said, I had great
Speaker 5: problem to have to have on Saturday night, four guys?
Speaker 5: What do you do with them? Sunday night? Four guys?
Speaker 5: What do you do with them? You change? You got
Speaker 5: a special start time now of six thirty. If the
Speaker 5: show goes until eleven thirty or midnight, that means you've
Speaker 5: got two shows that are over five hours long each.
Speaker 5: I don't it's February fifth, right, Yeah, we've got two months.
Speaker 1: Just about yep, April sixth is the night one.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I'm not putting the heat on you,
Speaker 2: but I need an answer before we let you go,
Speaker 2: because you ain't, as far as I know, you ain't
Speaker 2: guest hosting again.
Speaker 1: So I need an answer.
Speaker 5: I think there are Any answer is going to be
Speaker 5: Any answer is going to be ill informed. Any answer
Speaker 5: is gonna be completely fantastical or hypothetical, because again, we
Speaker 5: don't know what we don't know. We don't know how
Speaker 5: many matches are hardwired, set in stone that they already
Speaker 5: know today are going to be on these shows, and
Speaker 5: we don't know how many are gonna get plugged in
Speaker 5: the next one, two, three weeks. We don't know the
Speaker 5: medical the real medical situation with CMPUNK. We don't know, dude.
Speaker 5: It was in eighty seven. You talked about eighty seven before.
Speaker 5: In eighty seven, it was different. Even when they were
Speaker 5: up to WrestleMania three and not just the first one,
Speaker 5: they were still booking wrestling. There was no road to WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: There was no WrestleMania season. They would start stuff at
Speaker 5: Rumble well in eighty seven, not in when Rumble started, yeah,
Speaker 5: but in eighty seven around that time, late December early January,
Speaker 5: with a season with three months with thirteen weeks of TV,
Speaker 5: they would over those thirteen weeks, let you know what
Speaker 5: the thirteen matches, eleven matches, whatever it is at WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: They would let you know what those were. So it
Speaker 5: was easier. They would start booking it three months out.
Speaker 5: Now we're two months out and it's like it's too soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 5: There are so many moving pieces and there's so much
Speaker 5: in flux that it's almost like it's too soon to
Speaker 5: know what the right thing to do is. It's like
Speaker 5: they still need to wait another week or two, see
Speaker 5: where things go, keep their finger on the pulse of
Speaker 5: the public, and keep their ear to the ground, see
Speaker 5: what the people want, See what's gonna be best for
Speaker 5: them short term, medium term, long term. So what do
Speaker 5: you do? I mean, you could flip it back around.
Speaker 5: You could have the Rock give his stamp of approval,
Speaker 5: and you could have the Rock tell Cody at the
Speaker 5: end of the day that even though the Rock knows
Speaker 5: that he's the head of the table, and he'll finish
Speaker 5: that story in due time in Saudi Arabia, in Australia,
Speaker 5: in wherever they go at another major show. He could
Speaker 5: give Cody his blessing and they could make it by
Speaker 5: popular demand, Cody Rhodes versus you know. So they could
Speaker 5: do that. They could do anything. The options are limitless.
Speaker 5: I honestly think that what they're thinking is that they're
Speaker 5: still thinking, and that there's still stuff to think about,
Speaker 5: and that it's too soon. So it may seem like
Speaker 5: a cop out and an easy way for me not
Speaker 5: to book it out. But because I think that that's
Speaker 5: where they are, it's too soon and I don't have
Speaker 5: an answer for you.
Speaker 1: I'll book it for you.
Speaker 2: Rock Roman, Cody, I think we're gonna have to just
Speaker 2: excuse me, relegate him to the opening match somewhere. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: we don't have anything for him.
Speaker 1: Udre to Giant Battle Royal.
Speaker 5: Maybe could you imagine he though that that would generate
Speaker 5: the scheme. Every little kid would be dressed up like
Speaker 5: Cody Rhodes with a painted on neck tattoo. Everybody would
Speaker 5: be singing the music. Could you imagine seventy eight thousand
Speaker 5: people singing that song turned up on eleven? I mean,
Speaker 5: if they if they went that route and had him
Speaker 5: once again, pretty much start from the bottom up. You know.
Speaker 5: I love flipping wrestling on its ear. I love when
Speaker 5: I book wrestling. When I had my company MXW, anything
Speaker 5: as possible, experimental, avant garde, do stuff because it's never
Speaker 5: been done before. In that vein, you could do what
Speaker 5: you just suggested. But man, with that light a fire.
Speaker 1: It's Philly, anything's possible.
Speaker 5: They might like it, you know, they might. You know, somehow,
Speaker 5: Philly used to be a heel town. There you go,
Speaker 5: not anymore not but if you take liberties with Cody,
Speaker 5: and if you relegate him, and if you downngrade and
Speaker 5: insult him, all of a sudden, even Philly is not
Speaker 5: a heel town anymore, because they would love him even more.
Speaker 2: Well, as we will find out. And we're about two
Speaker 2: months away from actually when.
Speaker 1: This episode's released, we will be two months away. So
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: It'll be perfectly timed for your WrestleMania season kickoff when
Speaker 2: you listen to this, so well we will. We'll start
Speaker 2: to wrap this up here, Joel, I can't thank you
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Speaker 1: So you gotta say you feeled it nicely. You know.
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Speaker 5: Sale, get both sh I I agree with you, Chad.
Speaker 5: Next time there's a seasonal sale, whether it's Valentine's Day,
Speaker 5: Saint Patrick's Day, whatever, they do, you know what, but
Speaker 5: don't wait if you see if look it's this is
Speaker 5: gonna launch tomorrow, right, Tuesday, yep, okay, Tuesday the sixth. Right.
Speaker 5: If DWTS hasn't put out an announcement of a sale
Speaker 5: by let's say Thursday the eighth, just go to the site.
Speaker 1: By shirt, just yeah, just do it, and by the different.
Speaker 5: Sizes, because you never know, you know, if you like
Speaker 5: to eat, you know what I mean, you might want
Speaker 5: it loose one day, tight in the other.
Speaker 2: You know, they go to your Instagram page, they're gonna go,
Speaker 2: You're gonna go get the tips from your Instagram.
Speaker 5: That's why absolutely listen what exactly. Once you're betting with
Speaker 5: us and you're trading with us, and you're seeing what
Speaker 5: we do the tips, I give tips for the sake
Speaker 5: of tips, but I also walk you through and it's
Speaker 5: very transparent and it's very kind of almost educational in
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Speaker 5: If I've got the tools and the skills, I want
Speaker 5: to make sure that other people are benefiting. So hit
Speaker 5: up the social media, keep an eye on it, and hopefully,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe you've got a new hobby now, and
Speaker 5: maybe it's something that's good for you know, a dinner
Speaker 5: or two every month.
Speaker 1: What a guy.
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