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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 2: with you and we have got a fun show.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: We are going to wrap up some of the big

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Speaker 2: news here from a free agency world. We're going to

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Speaker 2: then cross over in some draft conversation. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: have Trevor Sikhima joined the podcast. He is the lead

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Speaker 2: draft analyst for Pro Football Focus PFF. As everyone knows them,

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Speaker 2: he does a great job, really does his homework and

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Speaker 2: someone we're looking forward to chatting with about this upcoming

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Speaker 2: draft class. So a lot of ground to cover.

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Speaker 3: Buck. How are you doing, man, Man, I'm good. DJ.

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Speaker 4: I am knee deep in this quarterback project that I'm

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Speaker 4: working on, and so I want to kind of tap

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Speaker 4: into your insight. So this project that I'm working on

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Speaker 4: just kind of like a little private project. So there's

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Speaker 4: these things we always are trying to figure out what's

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Speaker 4: the secret sauce to draft from a quarterback? And later

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Speaker 4: on we're going to talk about quarterbacks and top ten quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: But there's this thing where you remember the CBA changed

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Speaker 4: in twenty eleven, and so in twenty eleven, we've seen

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Speaker 4: more quarterbacks going to top ten. So from nineteen ninety

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Speaker 4: eight to twenty ten, there are twenty top ten quarterbacks drafted.

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Speaker 4: The hit rate on those quarterbacks was eight out of twenty,

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Speaker 4: so it was like a forty percent rate. Well, the

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Speaker 4: thing about the hits, the average starts for the guys

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Speaker 4: that hit and played really well thirty eight and a

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Speaker 4: half collegiate starts, and so in that class, I just

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Speaker 4: want to tell you, like, it's like Peyton Manning is,

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Speaker 4: Donovan McNab is, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer and those guys.

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Speaker 4: So now, from twenty eleven to twenty twenty three, there

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Speaker 4: have been twenty five quarterbacks that we can evaluate.

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Speaker 3: Ten of those guys have hit.

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Speaker 4: The average starts for the guys that hit twenty nine

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Speaker 4: point one percent. The average starts for the guys that

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Speaker 4: miss is twenty nine. So I want to know if

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Speaker 4: looking back at the quarterback situation, did we do a

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Speaker 4: better job of evaluating quarterbacks like prior to this when

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Speaker 4: it came to prior to the new thing where we're

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Speaker 4: saying like, hey, we got the Ricky scale, it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 4: let's just throw a guy in there because it's not

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Speaker 4: as expensive or is this just a bipread of the

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Speaker 4: game being harder to evaluate at the position.

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Speaker 2: That's great, that's a great question. My first thought is,

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Speaker 2: let's see if you agree with me on this. I

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Speaker 2: think the difference from the college game in the NFL

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Speaker 2: game is greater now than it was back then. It

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Speaker 2: was more similarity in how they played, so these guys

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Speaker 2: similar to the game they were going to be asked

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Speaker 2: to play at the NFL level. I feel like now,

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Speaker 2: I think that the complexity of the defenses that you

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Speaker 2: some of the gimmes that you get in college versus

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Speaker 2: the ability to do that at the NFL level, especially

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Speaker 2: the RPO game. You know, we have RPOs, but the

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Speaker 2: rules are slightly different. You can get away with more

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Speaker 2: at the college level in terms of the lineman movement

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Speaker 2: downfield than you can in the NFL. So I think there,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit easier to post numbers,

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Speaker 2: I think it's never been harder, uh in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: a little bit the game is more different. So that

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Speaker 2: lived with the you lived with the growing pains back then.

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Speaker 2: So if you cut off, if you cut off some

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Speaker 2: of those quarterbacks after their first or second year and

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Speaker 2: said well we're moving on, we never would have seen

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Speaker 2: them developed Drew Breeses to develop into being I know

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a first round pick, but seeing those types

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Speaker 2: you were given time. You don't get time anymore.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so here's a great thing. So okay, So when

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Speaker 4: a solid starter. So going back to that previous era,

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Speaker 4: all those guys were Pro Bowl players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, DJ all of them over forty starts, Peyton Manning

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Speaker 4: Away, but they let them play through their mistakes and

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Speaker 4: they eventually got to the other side. Carson Palmer and

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Speaker 4: Philip Rivers, they red shirted. Carson Palmer sat on the

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Speaker 3: Always talk about draft and develop or a red.

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Speaker 4: Shirt and let them play through it and those things,

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Speaker 4: but we never exhibit that same patience. So now when

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Speaker 4: from twenty twenty eleven. Okay, now we'll just talk about

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Speaker 4: a solid started being a guy picked in the top

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Speaker 4: consider that like the bar, he may be a truck,

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Speaker 4: he may be a trailer, but his team wins, so

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Speaker 4: that would be a success. Robert Griffin had forty starts,

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Speaker 4: Marcus Mariota had forty one stars, Jared goff at thirty seven,

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Speaker 4: those guys are great players, but it takes well over

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Speaker 3: So there wasn't Herbert It. So look Herbert it forty two.

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Speaker 3: But they haven't been to the playoffs, right, yeahm in

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Speaker 2: No, he is?

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Speaker 2: They lost to the Jags got twenty seven to seven.

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Speaker 3: So like the game.

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Speaker 4: So like when you think about that part of it,

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Speaker 4: let's look at this year's class. So in this year's class,

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Speaker 4: But who've been superstars that Pat Mahomes, the Josh Allens,

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Speaker 4: between Drake May and JJ McCarthy who is going to

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Speaker 4: top of the draft, I'm swinging for the fences. And

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Speaker 4: So what is it the things that are going to

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Speaker 4: separate the guys from being a star from a solid player.

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Speaker 4: I think experience matters, but I think if you're going

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Speaker 4: to big JJ McCarthy and Drake Mandska debate, it's about

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Speaker 4: looking at the traits and saying which guy has more

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Speaker 4: traits to be a superstar at our level because I'm

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Speaker 4: chasing the pat Mahomes Josh Allen thing as opposed to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that those are great examples with

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Speaker 2: Mahomes and Josh Allen were exactly what you just said previously.

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Speaker 2: Mahomes sat patience, Josh Allen struggled, but you were patient

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Speaker 2: So that's where I just kind of go with. Okay,

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Speaker 2: if you're gambling, just gamble on the ability up top. Look,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna you I can't tell you if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: want to I'd want to get somebody that I'm not

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Speaker 2: somebody with a higher floor. I mean, you're picking all

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Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta roll the dice a little bit

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Speaker 2: and swing for the fences because if you hit one,

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Speaker 2: you're out of the quarterback market for the next twelve

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Speaker 2: to fifteen years. So if you hit on a you

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Speaker 2: hit on a low you hit on a high floor, Okay,

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Speaker 2: he gets in there, he's okay, functional. But then, man,

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Speaker 2: three years, four years now, I'm right back in the

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Speaker 2: same spot trying to chase the greatness. So I think

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Speaker 2: you got to have Look, it takes courage and might

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Speaker 2: work out, might not. But I almost feel like you're

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Speaker 2: swing for the fences and then be patient. That's that's

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Speaker 4: So I think the bigger lesson to be learned out

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Speaker 4: is not even really the experience is more so from

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Speaker 4: When we go on the quarterback, we're going all in

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Speaker 4: and we're telling everyone in the building we need three years.

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Speaker 4: Whatever those three years look. It may be sit one year,

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Speaker 4: play for two, it may be played for all three.

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Speaker 3: And play for one. Yeah, look at Love, Jordan Love.

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Speaker 4: Everyone in the building has to have complete alignment on

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Speaker 4: how we're going to develop the quarterback. And you can't

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Speaker 4: you can't fall pray to the outside noise saying that

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Speaker 4: to give him time because it takes time for the

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Speaker 4: all of those guys took time. And so I just

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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl players. If you're going to take the quarterback there,

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Speaker 4: you can't expect it to be instangrished. It has to

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Speaker 4: be a long thought out plan that we're going to

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Speaker 4: give this guy every opportunity to succeed, whether that means

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Speaker 4: You have to have enough conviction about your pick that

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Speaker 4: you don't waiver in the middle of the conversation, in

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Speaker 2: And to me, it's patients and continuity. You know, if

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Speaker 2: the same system with the same coaches, then have a

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Speaker 2: way better chance as opposed to it's just new, new, new, new,

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Speaker 2: and now you're changing coaches every year. No chance, you

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Speaker 2: got no chance doing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think we have to do it, and

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Speaker 4: the draft. We'll talk about it on draft night, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: To be able to move. They move the ball and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No matter the talent, it is really about everything

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Speaker 4: you really brought up great points. The consistency and the continuity,

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Speaker 3: That really matters a great example.

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Speaker 4: If you keep changing the coordinators and stuff, it just

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons why offensive coaches have the edge

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that gives them a chance to head to

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Speaker 2: All right, buck, before we take a break here and

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff happened since the last time we

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Speaker 4: My comment on the running back situation, I think everyone

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Speaker 4: not waiting around. Hey when those offers came through. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: No, it is an indictment on the rooky class that's

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Speaker 4: I think teams had an opportunity to go to the combine,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my favorite moves. I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: upgrade with the production Huff has had and the limited

436
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Speaker 2: snaps he's had.

437
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Speaker 3: With the Jets.

438
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Speaker 2: But it's a way where you're just creating another player.

439
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 2: They're just creating a player by adding a player. So

440
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 2: it's like a two for one special. You're getting Huff

441
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 2: and a mid round pick for Hassan Reddick or for Sweat,

442
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, whichever. You know they decide to trade there.

443
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 2: But that's a creative roster building idea there. The other

444
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 2: thing is it was Rocky, right, it was a movie

445
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: Rocky when Sylvester Stallone had Apollo Creed's picture on his mirror. Yeah, remember,

446
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 2: like he'd be trying. He always had that in the

447
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 2: mirror when he got up every day and looked at it.

448
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 2: I think that that's I mean, maybe it's not John Lynch,

449
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 2: but it's the Maybe it's a team photo of the

450
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and I think it was, like you

451
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, they have they have Christian McCaffrey. Fine,

452
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get Sakwon Barkley. So you know, whatever

453
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 2: you do, we are mirroring. We are mirroring in ma

454
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 2: because this is who we have to go through to

455
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Speaker 2: get where we want to go.

456
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Speaker 4: It reminds me of the nineties when the San Francisco

457
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 4: forty nine ers and the Dallas Cowboys kind of went

458
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 4: back and forth, and Dion was kind of like the

459
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 4: Lynch bend. From that, you're always looking at where you're going,

460
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 4: and when you look at the NFL landscape, I think

461
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 4: it's fair for the Eagles and the Niners to say, oh,

462
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 4: we're going to be right back. We are going to

463
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 4: be the two teams that are the class of the conference,

464
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: and we know that we're going to have to see

465
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 4: each other, so why not engage in an arms race.

466
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 4: I will also say this about the Philadelphia Eagles and

467
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 4: what Howie Roseman is doing. One of the reasons, and

468
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 4: this is something where Ron Wolf used to always talk about,

469
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 4: like best player available, you take the best player available,

470
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 4: regardless of the position, because what it does it gives

471
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 4: you the flexibility down the line to trade off a

472
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 4: position of strength to get what you need. So last year,

473
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Speaker 4: when the Philadelphia Eagles took Nolan Smith, what Nolan Smith

474
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 4: does is he gives the Eagles the opportunity to get

475
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 4: rid of hassa'm Reddick or Jocksman, to beat Josh s Witt,

476
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 4: to be able to get back something that they need

477
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 4: in return. That's why you take the best player you

478
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 4: don't reach. You continue to build a roster for the

479
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 4: good players, and then when you look at your surplus,

480
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: you trade off what you have in excess to bring

481
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 4: back something that can help you. That is a team

482
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Speaker 4: building lesson and I think that's what Howie Roseman is

483
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 4: showing us. Oh, no, we collect good players because there's

484
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with having a team for the good players.

485
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 4: It only allows you to then trade off some of

486
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Speaker 4: those to get even greater players at other positions.

487
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Speaker 2: And I think people need to realize on the known

488
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: Smith thing. You know, not only was he behind those

489
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: guys they had last year to big time edge rushers,

490
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: his shoulder was jacked up and there was talk I

491
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: remember talk that, you know, is he going to have

492
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: to have shoulder surgery before the season last year and

493
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Speaker 2: missed the year. I think he played, you know, tried

494
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Speaker 2: to play through it and the limited amount of snaps

495
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: he got, and I believe he had shoulder surgery right

496
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 2: after the season was over. So you're going to get

497
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: a healthier version of that player with an opportunity to

498
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: play next year. So I just to me, he's someone

499
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: I really like going through the draft process, and I'm

500
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: still bullish on him once he gets his opportunity healthy

501
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 2: to get out on the field and make some things happen.

502
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: But you know, I thought that was it was fascinating

503
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: what they were doing, and then when you look at

504
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Speaker 2: some of the other moves. You know, the Washington thing

505
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: is interesting to me because I think that there's people

506
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Speaker 2: I've seen polar opposite takes on what they've done. And

507
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm curious to get your take because they've signed a

508
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: lot of long in the tooth players with high, high character,

509
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: you know, leadership culture establishing players. When you talk about

510
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Speaker 2: bringing in a Bobby Wagner, a zach Ertz or an

511
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler, you can say, Okay, their best football might

512
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: be in the rearview mirror and not through the windshield.

513
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: But it does feel like they're trying to establish kind

514
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Speaker 2: of a culture in the building. Here is what my

515
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: takeaway would be.

516
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Speaker 4: Look, people say this all the time. Culture esup scheme

517
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: and so like, they can come in with all the

518
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 4: x's and os and they can do all that other stuff,

519
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: but if they don't have the right people, the right

520
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 4: chemistry and connectivity, it won't matter. I think dan Quinn

521
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 4: certainly understands that after you've been a head coach, you've

522
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: gone to a Super Bowl, you've then been fired, and

523
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: you spent a few years on the sideline as the

524
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: defensive coordinated, you probably have a clear idea or a clear.

525
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Speaker 3: Vision of what you want to build.

526
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Speaker 4: And I think it's really important when you step into

527
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 4: the building in Washington and it's just been years and

528
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: years of losing and mediocrity, you want people to change that.

529
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 4: And so it's very much like DJ when we work

530
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Speaker 4: for respective teams. I don't know if it was big

531
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 4: for you when you were in Baltimore, whatever, but at

532
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: Carolina it was really big for us to get winners.

533
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Speaker 4: We want the people from winning programs, Guys who know

534
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Speaker 4: how to win, Guys who do it. Because when you

535
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Speaker 4: stand in front of the room and you say, hey, guys,

536
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: we had to have commitment and accountability and trust in

537
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 4: those things. Well, when you've won in college, like you

538
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 4: heard those messages in some way, shape, form or fashion.

539
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: When Bobby Wadener comes in and he has a Super

540
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: Bowl ring, he knows what it is. And if you

541
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: assembled on enough of those guys who've won, they gonna

542
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Speaker 4: take the young guys. Yeah, yea yeah, We're not gonna

543
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: do that. Here's what we're doing. This is how we

544
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: win games. I think for dan Quinn is making sure

545
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 4: you have enough guys that can play but still dispense

546
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 4: those messages. Hopefully those older guys can still play at

547
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: a high enough level that the young guys respect him

548
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: and that he those words of wisdom.

549
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali Gretti just came over to right and won

550
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl last year. Zach ertz Is called game

551
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. So they've got guys

552
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: who've been to the mountaintop there. Interesting how they've made

553
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: that decision.

554
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Speaker 1: Now.

555
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: The one thing I think Pep Hamlet might have mentioned

556
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: this when we were on the other day. We were

557
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: talking about what does Washington do with the second pick?

558
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: I said, Drake May, I think you said Jaden Daniels

559
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: both said stick and pick the quarterback. Pep was advocating

560
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: for a trade back because the roster was in rough shape.

561
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Speaker 2: And the more I've looked at it, I would say,

562
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Speaker 2: I'm still believe with what I've heard that the top

563
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: three teams are you know, are going to.

564
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Speaker 3: Stick and pick and we're going to go quarterbacks.

565
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: But of the three, I could make a case that

566
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Speaker 2: Wash if I would if I was you know, I

567
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 2: was the Giants, they probably won't do it inside the division.

568
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: But say if I'm Minnesota or Vegas, I don't think

569
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: Denver is going to try and move up there because

570
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: they don't have a ton of picks. But if you're

571
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Speaker 2: Minnesota or Vegas, I think Washington might be your best

572
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: shot if you want to get up to the top three.

573
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't think New England's going to get out of there.

574
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: I think they I was told their plan, you know,

575
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: everybody the combine felt and it's so far checked out.

576
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Eight to ten million dollars a year quarterback, rookie quarterback

577
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: at three. They went out and got Jacoby BRISSETV for

578
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: eight million bucks. I'm just okay, that's half of that's

579
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: come true. So we'll see what happens with the next

580
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: But I think Washington they have the thirty, sixth and

581
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: the fortieth picks. Those are high second round picks you

582
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: traded to to get to eleven. With Minnesota, I mean,

583
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: you could get a haul of picks from the Vikings.

584
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: The Vikings they are picking eleven and forty two, and

585
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: then you'd be talking about a bunch of future assets.

586
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: But you could be looking at the commanders. They are

587
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: picking thirty six forty. If they got Minnesota's forty two,

588
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: they could be thirty six forty five forty two to eleven.

589
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Like now you say, okay, we don't have any talent

590
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: on this team. I've got all these veterans in each

591
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: of these individual position rooms, position group rooms. Now I

592
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: can throw. I can put young, draftable, high end talent

593
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: in each of these rooms for these guys to develop,

594
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: and then we'll do the quarterback drop in thing later.

595
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you certainly can do that because when

596
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: you're veteran eno and you're trying to establish a thing,

597
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: like so let's say this with Marcus Murriott, and it's

598
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: been a while since he's played at high level, but

599
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: he certainly can kind of hold it for a minute,

600
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 4: like just hold a stip, shitty. I got steady because

601
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: I have veteran guys on the defense that are trying

602
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: to come in. Dan Quinn is obviously a good defensive coordinator.

603
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: He and Joe wid a kind of put together defense

604
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: that should be able to be competitive because as they're

605
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: trying to take the ball away, but if they can

606
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: run the football and do some of those things where look, man,

607
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 4: we're not saying that you going to the playoffs that

608
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: first year, but you just rock solid. But if you

609
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: accumulate enough draft capital where now you can attack the

610
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: quarterback position and do some of those things next year

611
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 4: or the year after that, now you're set up and

612
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: you have a chance. Because it doesn't also it also

613
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily have to be a quarterback that you draft

614
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: next year. Maybe free agency there's someone that.

615
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: You do have the flexibility where if you're watching, if

616
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: you're not quote in love.

617
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: With these guys at the top of the board, you

618
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 4: have some flexibility to be able to move out.

619
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Speaker 2: The other thing you could do if you're Washington is

620
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: you could say you could go down to eleven where

621
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: Minnesota is, and then I mean you could probably gosh,

622
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean if you wanted to. I know that the Chargers,

623
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: it's all been out there that they would love to

624
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: get out of five. So if you're Washington, could you

625
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: go from two to eleven then come.

626
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: Back up to five.

627
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: You're still got extra picks, but you would still get

628
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: the fourth quarterback. You know, say, if you really like

629
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy for example, and you're like, you know what

630
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: I can get JJ McCarthy and a future one and

631
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of other stuff, and then I can you know.

632
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: I'll still have I'll still have extra picks. Look.

633
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: Look, it's about being creative when it comes to moving

634
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: up the board to get what you want. And I

635
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: think you have to really be able to assess not

636
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: only your own team, but okay, where are these quarterbacks

637
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: which one doing? Like who's the perfect fit for me?

638
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: They're just plenty of options, and I think we need

639
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: to take more than just like a one dimensional look

640
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: at this. I think if you're Adam Peters and Dan Quinn,

641
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: it's almost like you're playing the Rubik's Q. What are

642
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: the different ways that we can build up a championship

643
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 4: caliber team. Does it have to be static where a

644
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: we just said it too, we just take whatever quarterback

645
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: we want right here and we build it out. Or

646
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: is there a different way to look at this where

647
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 4: we really can build up a team. Because the one

648
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: thing that we do know the team that Adam Peters

649
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: came from, the talent was immense. I mean it was

650
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: a super talented team. And I think when you see

651
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Speaker 4: a team like that practice in front of you every day.

652
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Speaker 4: I think you're more likely to say, hey, no, I

653
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: want to build up a super team, and I don't

654
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Speaker 4: necessarily want it to be completely dependent upon the quarterback.

655
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Speaker 4: I want a team, and I want to be able

656
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Speaker 4: to have a solid, functional quarterback that can be able

657
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Speaker 4: to get it done.

658
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Speaker 2: The other thing you could say, and again, this is

659
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Speaker 2: not the Minnesota Vikings episode. They're just on the brain

660
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: right now, is you know? Or say sorry from Washington?

661
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Speaker 2: So say say Washington goes from two to eleven, right,

662
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Speaker 2: so then Washington doesn't come back up, So Washington stays

663
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Speaker 2: at eleven. You're Washington. You've got all these extra picks now,

664
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Speaker 2: and at pick eleven, you say, you know what we

665
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: can afford. We got We've got future ones. We've got

666
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: three second round picks this year. We've got all these

667
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 2: different opportunities to add to our roster. Hey, at eleven,

668
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: you know what, if it's bo Nicks or if it's Pennix, Shoot,

669
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: throw the dice on one of those guys. We can

670
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: roll the dice. And we've got all these extra picks. Man,

671
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: if we hit Holy Cow, I mean we are rolling.

672
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: It's funny that you bring up the Minnesota Vikings because

674
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: I kind of wanted to get out there, right, and

675
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: I think people have heard about it, but maybe they

676
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: don't really know. So when you talk about the Minnesota Vikings,

677
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Speaker 4: and you talk about the Minnesota Vikings maybe loving a

678
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Speaker 4: certain quarterback from North Carolina, I kind of want to

679
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Speaker 4: give a little perspective on why the Minnesota Vikings may

680
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: adore Drake May and why they may make a major

681
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Speaker 4: push for that. Right, So they signed Sam Donald to

682
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Speaker 4: come over. Sam Donald and Josh McCown played together and

683
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Speaker 4: then so there's a there's a connection there. But did

684
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Speaker 4: you know Josh McCown coach Drake Man high School in

685
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: high school?

686
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we showed the picture of the combine, Yeah, sitting

687
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Speaker 2: on the bench his son and with Drake. So so

688
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Speaker 2: when you start thinking about all of that stuff, like, oh,

689
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Speaker 2: I think they would.

690
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Speaker 3: I think they will effort.

691
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Speaker 2: I think Minnesota will put forth a strong effort to

692
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Speaker 2: try and get up to get Drake May. I think

693
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Speaker 2: they'll make the effort. I just don't know if one

694
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Speaker 2: of those teams up there will get out. Yeah, Buck,

695
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: it's that time of here, man. We get to play

696
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: all these different games of what could happen and and uh,

697
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Speaker 2: you know the excitement that is to come with this draft.

698
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Speaker 2: When you've got quarterbacks, you've got intrigued. We've got intrigued.

699
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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a fun draft class. Speaking

700
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Speaker 2: of this draft, we're gonna take a quick break when

701
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Speaker 2: we come back, We're going to visit with Trevor Sikama,

702
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Speaker 2: the lead draft analyst for pete FF. All Right, Buck,

703
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: excited to welcome in our guest here. Trevor Sikima is

704
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Speaker 2: the lead draft analyst over at PFF. He's been doing

705
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Speaker 2: this for a long time. I was talking to him

706
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Speaker 2: before he came on about how I feel like I've

707
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: seen his name forever. I've seen, you know, his opinions

708
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: and his work show up on social media on my

709
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: feed forever. But excited to have him with us. Trevor

710
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: appreciates you taking the time today.

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Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, only good takes on the timeline. I'm sure

712
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Speaker 1: no bad takes I would regret that you may have

713
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Speaker 1: seen over the years.

714
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Speaker 2: As I've been learn everybody bats a thousand. Everyone bats

715
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Speaker 2: a thousand on this podcast.

716
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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you guys having me. I was telling

717
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Speaker 1: you all beforehand, and I know that everybody out there

718
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: listening can say this, but learn so much from you

719
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Speaker 1: guys over the years, so it's cool to get to

720
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Speaker 1: chop it up with you. Appreciate you having me.

721
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining man. First question from me, and

722
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Speaker 2: we'll kind of jump into this a little bit because

723
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Speaker 2: I want to get your your opinions on this group.

724
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Speaker 2: Just give me the thirty thousand foot view of this

725
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: draft class in your opinion, Having a chance to to

726
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Speaker 2: see what we have.

727
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Speaker 1: I think it's fun, especially at the premium positions. Right

728
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: you talk about quarterback, there's plenty of intrigue there that

729
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: comes with all the hype for the draft class kind

730
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: of goes through the quarterbacks, but I think it's warranted.

731
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Speaker 1: You got to get a lot of guys who can

732
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Speaker 1: really have a chance to know. You don't want to

733
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Speaker 1: put them too much on a pedestal yet they haven't

734
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: played it down in the NFL, but guys who have

735
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: starting potential, legit potential and legit NFL tool. So I

736
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: think that that certainly checks the box there. But then

737
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Speaker 1: you look at wide receiver, offensive line, pass rushers, corners,

738
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Speaker 1: especially lockdown corners. I mean, you have all of the

739
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: premium positions pretty rich with talent at the top. Now,

740
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: is there a guy who could go number one overall

741
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: at edge rusher? No, but still you get a handful

742
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: of players. It's really nice. You got some good depth

743
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: to the class. And so normally I should just say

744
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: sometimes that we have draft classes where ah, the strength

745
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: might be through tight ends or running backs or off

746
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: ball linebackers, safetise things like that, and not that those

747
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: positions aren't important, but when you get these premium positions

748
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: where you've got a lot of names to talk about,

749
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Speaker 1: it's exciting for everybody. Because all thirty two NFL teams

750
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: are teams that have these top thirty two picks. They

751
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: get to talk about guys that will really change that

752
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: unit that they're getting drafted to.

753
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Speaker 3: So whenever we talk about the draft, we have to

754
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Speaker 3: start with the quarterbacks. What's your overall take of the quarterbacks?

755
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Speaker 3: Who do you like?

756
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Speaker 1: I like you man, I like this class a lot.

757
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I think the closer we get the

758
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: draft weekend, maybe the narrative of the height for some

759
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: of these guys gets a little overvalued. But such is

760
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: the position. Right, There's two types of teams in this league.

761
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: Ones that have quarterbacks and you know you're going to

762
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: overpay for one a little bit here and there. I

763
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Speaker 1: think Kayleb Williams is the easy QB one in my opinion.

764
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Speaker 1: You know, I've gone through this process and I look

765
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Speaker 1: at some of the things that he does well versus

766
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: the things that he needs to get better at, and

767
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I feel like he

768
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: needs to improve on, you can and in terms of

769
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: the natural abilities, I think that he is fantastic. And

770
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Speaker 1: I'll also say this about Kayleb Williams. I think people

771
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: look at him in the Lincoln Riley offense and they think, oh,

772
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: man to gimmicky offense is not going to translate well

773
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: to the NFL. He can't really read the field the

774
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: way he needs to. I think this guy's processing is

775
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: going way underrated right now in terms of how he

776
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: could see the field, how he can go through things.

777
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: And that gives me a lot of faith for him

778
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: to maybe not put on the crazy escapability mahomes like

779
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: stuff that we saw at the college level at the

780
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: NFL level, but still some stuff that's really going to

781
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: impress you. I clearly have Drake may as my QB

782
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: two in this class. I like Drake a lot, not

783
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to say that he's perfect, but again, that arm talent

784
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: is so evident from him, you know, week in and

785
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: week out. It's it's not something that, like I said,

786
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: is a perfect thing. But especially when it comes to

787
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: attacking over the middle of the field, the guy's got

788
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: the most big time throws of any of the top

789
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we're evaluating this year. When it comes to

790
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: the intermediate middle of the field, ten yards to twenty

791
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: yards down in the field between the numbers, you got

792
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: to be able to attack in that area if you're

793
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: going to succeed in the NFL. Jaden Daniels, JJ McCarthy,

794
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: They're right there is that next year, that next package.

795
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Speaker 1: For me, I think all four of these guys are

796
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: going to go top ten. That's just that's the way

797
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: that it feels. Y'all have a lot more insight into

798
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: the league than I do. But it just feels like

799
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: the more that I read, the more that I hear,

800
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, be into the Senior Bowl, being at the

801
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: Combine and all of the scuttle buttt of what people

802
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: are talking about. Man, it feels like we're getting four

803
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the top ten, top thirteen at least if

804
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos, and Las Vegas Raiders don't

805
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: end up moving up, and then I think Pennix and

806
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: Nicks are those ultimate wildcard guys right there. Okay, are

807
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: they going to be worth first round picks, but I

808
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: think all six of those guys are worthy of top

809
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: fifty flyers wherever you want to take them, depending on

810
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: how high that ceiling is. And so to me, it's

811
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Speaker 1: an exciting class because you have six legitimate guys who,

812
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: sure there's a preference in tiers with them, but all

813
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: to me worthy of draft picks.

814
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Speaker 3: That's great.

815
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I love about PFF when

816
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: we were talking about this again before we popped on here,

817
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: with PFF ultimate being able to sort everything. Every team's

818
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: had this for a long time. I've been able to

819
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: utilize the basically the same thing in NFL Vision, which

820
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: is another program where you can funnel all your tape

821
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: and watch cutups. But it does it makes everything so

822
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: much more efficient when you're going through this process, especially

823
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. I'm always curious talking to guys that.

824
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: Are doing this.

825
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: They're trying to crunch all this information on all these layers.

826
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: Is there a go to for you with quarterbacks in

827
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Speaker 2: terms of a cut up? For me personally, I've been

828
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: doing this for probably the last seven or eight years.

829
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Speaker 2: Is to me, I just the third and seven plus

830
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: real is valuable just because you can cut out all

831
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: the bubble screens and all the underneath stuff. Everybody in

832
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: the stadium knows you're throwing. What can you do in

833
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: those circumstances? Is there is there one for you? What's

834
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: your go to cut up when you want to look

835
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: at some of these quarterbacks.

836
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for quarterbacks, there's a lot of different categories that

837
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: we can kind of slice it up into and see

838
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: how a guy performs, Which is why that ultimate tool

839
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: is so fantastic when it comes to scouting you guys know,

840
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: like sometimes it depends on the style of the quarterback,

841
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: but generally you've got to perform well to me in

842
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: three categories. Specifically, I want to see how you're what

843
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: you're what you're like over the middle. Again, I mentioned

844
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: that with Drake May. I think having a comfortable confidence

845
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: to be able to rip a throw in a tight

846
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: window and force a defense to say, man, I guess

847
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: we can't sneak the safety a little bit further the sideline,

848
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: or I guess we can't play the right. I mean,

849
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: like you got to be able to rip it in

850
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: between the middle to put that stretch on defensive coordinators,

851
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: defensive players. The NFL are too good if you don't

852
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: do that. So like Drake May JJ McCarthy as well,

853
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: his heat map over the middle was fantastic. So like,

854
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: that's somebody that I noticed from that category. Another one

855
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: that I go to you mentioned it is that third

856
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: and law, like what and specifically not just PFF passing grade,

857
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: but how it looked right. I recently went through this

858
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: exercise I road and article of okay, who is the

859
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: best on third down?

860
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: Now?

861
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Speaker 1: The best on third down? It's not just PFF passing grade,

862
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: It's not just completions. I also take into account, like, okay,

863
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: what was your average depth of target compared to what

864
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: the down and distance was? And for the two guys

865
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Speaker 1: that really stood out the most, the two guys that

866
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Speaker 1: had the highest passing grade in that category, it was

867
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: bon Nicks and it was JJ McCarthy.

868
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's third and seven stuff is the best of

869
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: the bunch.

870
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: And I think that when I saw those two guys

871
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: stand out, I went a little bit more into the

872
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: weeds and I said, okay, well, what's the average depth

873
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: of target compared to what the distance of the conversion was,

874
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: Because we've got a short of the sticks and pass

875
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the sticks percentage on there, and bo Nix had a

876
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: lot of third down conversions. I don't want to take

877
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: it away from him, but a lot of his average

878
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: stepth to target and throws were short of the sticks.

879
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: And he's making the right play, he's converting the first down.

880
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold that really against him too much,

881
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: but McCarthy was consistently almost sixty five percent throwing beyond

882
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: the sticks, not afraid to really try to rip it

883
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: in there to make the throw that gets them the

884
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: first down, not just let me dump it off and

885
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: have a guy make a play. Neither are bad per se,

886
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: but like those are two when you say, you know,

887
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: what's some stuff and some categorical sections when you're trying

888
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: to evaluate quarterbacks. That's a really big one for me.

889
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: And then the other one I would just say is

890
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: a general how do you play under pressure? Taking a

891
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: look at those pressure plays, what gave you that sort

892
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: of pressure, did you bail from the pocket too early?

893
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: How did you handle it in your face? And then

894
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: something that I really like is progression from pressure? Right,

895
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: pff data, It's best when you have a larger sample size,

896
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: I think all data that is the case. And when

897
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I get to evaluate you from at least a two

898
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: year window, did you improve in how you played under pressure?

899
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: Can I visually see that this is the data back

900
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: that stuff up? That means you're somebody who I think

901
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: is going in the right direction in that area.

902
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: So many interesting things that you just dropped on us,

903
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: like those nuggets. I think one of the things that

904
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: DJ and I will always talk about is the most

905
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: important part of any prospect for particularly quarterback is how

906
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: they fit into the scheme. And so your breakdown of

907
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: the third down reel, when you talk about throwing shorter

908
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: the sticks or beyond the sticks, to me really becomes

909
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: a schematic equation. What is it that a team is

910
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: looking for which quarterback best fits that. So, for instance,

911
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: you talk about throwing shorter the sticks, that's almost like

912
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: a rock pretty like playmaker guy that is yack. You

913
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: have wide receivers on a perimeter that can run after

914
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: catch So when we think think about the quarterbacks that

915
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: you talk about, which one is the most scheme friendly bit,

916
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: meaning it doesn't really matter where you drop him in.

917
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: You have confidence that he's going to be able to

918
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: succeed because he has maybe more pitches in his repert

919
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: wire than just being a guy that's just a fastball

920
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: pitcher man.

921
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: So that's a great question. I mean, I think Caleb

922
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: just is the top overall talent. I mean, I'd just

923
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: be taking him off the board because I think that

924
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: he has the ability to do it all. So I

925
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: think Caleb is the obvious answer for me. But I

926
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: do look at guys like May and like McCarthy and

927
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: especially those middle of the field metrics that I have

928
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: a heavy weight towards. Are you not afraid to really

929
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: attack all levels of the field? And I think that

930
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: to me is just really really important. Can you attack

931
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: not just all three levels vertically? Because a lot of

932
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: people talk about when they talk arm talent, they often

933
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: like to say all the throws. And when we think

934
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: of all the throws, I think a lot of people

935
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: out there just think can he complete the big fifty

936
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: sixty yard bombs? Well, the fact of the matter is

937
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of quarterbacks that can you know, get

938
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: the right trajectory, you know, like have you arch their

939
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: back a little bit, pull the shoulders back and you

940
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: could put enough air under it to get it fifty

941
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: sixty yards down the field. But true arm talent at

942
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: an NFL level, to me is do you have the

943
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: velocity to rip it basically anywhere on the field, a

944
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: hot shot out route to the sideline, something in between

945
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: cover two coverage? Can you get it beyond the linebackers

946
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: right before the safety is like things like that, And

947
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: so to me, I look at guys who have that

948
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: supreme arm talent, Guys like Drake May, guys like JJ

949
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: McCarthy who I also see from the data points of

950
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: being willing to attack all those levels of the field.

951
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: To me, that presents a scheme versatile type of player.

952
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: When you show me that ceiling that you could get

953
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: it done with a lot of different types of offenses.

954
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: I love it.

955
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: We could do We could do quarterbacks all day long

956
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: here with the with the time we have left, we

957
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: got a handful of minutes left here.

958
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: Trip.

959
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: I want to get to the white outs and the

960
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: big three been talked about, discussed everybody has their O.

961
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: Pin on that.

962
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: I don't even want to go there. I want to

963
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: go to four and five for you. If you're looking

964
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: for that next tier and there's some interesting names in

965
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: that mix, which one would you be willing to bet on?

966
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, in tern I don't care when they get picked,

967
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: but in terms of who has the most success at

968
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: the next level, who's outside that top three?

969
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the toughest question right now

970
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: with the whole draft, is who is wide receiver for

971
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: I think I land on Troy Franklin as my wide

972
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: receiver for being a PFF guy. I feel like I

973
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: have to because he's performed very, very well in our system. Specifically,

974
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: a metric that I like is misstackles forced after the catch.

975
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: This guy becomes a playmaker when he gets the ball

976
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: in his hand. We know how smooth of a route

977
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: runner he could be. We know he likes to get vertical.

978
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: We've seen that before in the Oregon offense. But when

979
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: they let him go short, those slant routes, you know,

980
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: those dig routes, things that might be over the middle

981
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: or something to get the ball in his hand quick.

982
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: I love that missed tackles forced after the catch. That

983
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: rating that he has there, so he's up there. I'm

984
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: also a sucker for Ady Mitchell. I'm gonna name a

985
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: couple of names, so I'm gonna cop out here, but

986
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shout out my guys. I've loved ad

987
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Mitchell really, even going back to summer scouting. He was

988
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: in my top five wide receivers going into the season

989
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: because I watched what he did at Georgia and you

990
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: just see this guy continually be their option when they

991
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: need it at most third downs, red zones, and his

992
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: touchdown percentage, I think that you could definitely see that

993
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: from him. So he reminds me of T Higgins. He

994
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: really does, and how fluid of a mover he is

995
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: for a player of his size, He's somebody who if

996
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: he stay focused, he wants it. If he's got that

997
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: fire in his gut, this dude can be a potential

998
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver one or wide receiver two at worse at

999
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: the next level. People love Brian Thomas. The vertical ability,

1000
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: I mean four three three forty yard dash two hundred

1001
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: and nine pounds is nuts. I mean, you are absolutely

1002
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: flying at that point. And there's some people that tell me, hey,

1003
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's just a vertical receiver. Shoot if he's

1004
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: just a vertical receiver. But Jay Metcalf Buffalo Bill's guy

1005
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: drafted him at twenty eight. It doesn't matter. He'll still

1006
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: catch ten touchdown fast the year. It feels like with

1007
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and then the other wild in it. I

1008
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: love Lab McConkie. Lab McConkey is just such an underrated receiver.

1009
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: I feel, well, maybe not anymore. A lot of people

1010
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: are talking about him. But one of my favorite comps

1011
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: that I have early comps is he reminds me a

1012
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: little bit of Eddie Royal. Right, he's a smaller guy

1013
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: Eddie Royle was. Eddie Royle was built different, you know,

1014
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: like he was a little smaller, a little more muscular,

1015
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: little thicker. But both of those guys kind of had

1016
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: a shifty narrative about him. But both gave you more

1017
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: long speed than you expected. And they'll block their butt

1018
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: off when they're out there. So that was kind of

1019
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: a comp that reminded me a little bit of Eddie Royal.

1020
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Two things real quick on that, sorry, Buck. Two things

1021
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: real quick.

1022
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Number one, if you told me, if you asked me

1023
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: the question which receiver outside of those big three has

1024
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: the best chance to lead all rookies and receptions and

1025
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: touchdowns and ends up being the best of the entire class.

1026
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: I would say at night, Mitchell would be my would

1027
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: be my pick there from what he can do there.

1028
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: The second thing off what you said, the one thing

1029
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: that I have with Troy Franklin and we have a

1030
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Bucky and I have a soon to be Hall of

1031
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Fame receiving friend who is in love with Troy Franklin.

1032
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: The one hundred and seventy six pounds is my hang up,

1033
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: you know. And when you look at the guys who

1034
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: are having success year after year after year at this league,

1035
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: at that position, they're sturdy, strong guys. So that's the

1036
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: thing that worries me. And I don't think he's like,

1037
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, DeVante Smith in terms of you know, as

1038
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: a you know, route runner that he is.

1039
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: Man, it's so and I agree with you completely, but man,

1040
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: it feels like as of late, we're going in that direction. Right,

1041
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: everybody's getting lighter, Like all these received there's so many

1042
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: got hurt.

1043
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: Like that's the Tank Dell argument because I've had this.

1044
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: We talked about Tank Dell last year we're like, Okay, gosh,

1045
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: I love him as the player is unbelievable, but his

1046
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: size and then for the first half of the season,

1047
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: all the people that were in on him and I

1048
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: liked him too. I'm not saying I didn't. I had

1049
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: a good grade on him, but people were beating their chest.

1050
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the year, the guys

1051
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: who ding him were beating their just saying, yeah, he

1052
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: couldn't post, he didn't finish. So that's that's the that's

1053
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: the argument there that that you know, it's it's it's difficult.

1054
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: So I have a question.

1055
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: Let's go to the defense side the bar real quick,

1056
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: and you can talk about either past rushers or corners.

1057
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: Which group are you more passionate about and pick the

1058
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: players that maybe we're sleeping.

1059
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: On within the group.

1060
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: We know the top names, but who are some of

1061
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: the notable names in the group that you want to

1062
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: talk about.

1063
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about corner because I like a lot

1064
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: of the corners in this class, and you know, I

1065
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: think everybody knows a lot of the Big five, right Cooper, Degene,

1066
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, Queen A Mitchell, Tarreyn, Arnold Cooley, McKinstry, those guys,

1067
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of knows those, But I like

1068
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the smaller dudes in this class too, you know, Mikey

1069
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: samrus Still, I know people are just on him now

1070
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: and everybody loved like him. Javon Boullard too. I like

1071
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Javon Bollard more as a as a slot corner than

1072
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: I do with safety. And if I had like a

1073
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: group of my guys in this class, Javon Bullard would

1074
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: absolutely be one of them. I mean, you don't get

1075
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: on the field early at Georgia unless no pun intended.

1076
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: You are a dog like you can really go out there.

1077
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: You're not afraid to stick your nose and things, You're

1078
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: not afraid to get after it as a tackler. And

1079
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: it just feels as though the more I like listen

1080
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: to dB coaches defensive coordinators when they talk about corners. Yeah,

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00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: athleticism is a prerequisite, but tackling, not being afraid to

1082
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: be physical. I mean, you guys actually talked about this

1083
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: not too long as a listening to episode, are you guys?

1084
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: And you're like man with as much quick stuff that's

1085
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: going on in today's NFL, if you can't rally to

1086
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: the ball and dependently bring a guy down. That's you

1087
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: gotta get good for that. And that's why I have

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00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: Cooper Degene as my CB one in this class for

1089
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: that reason. You've got that first out. I'm never going

1090
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: to be afraid that this dude can get off the block,

1091
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: help and run defense, help with screens, help with slants,

1092
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: things like that, and so I think that that's really huge.

1093
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: But another corner who I just wanted to shout out

1094
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: as a deeper corner in this class is Max Melton.

1095
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Max Melton from Rutgers is somebody who I really liked

1096
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: going into the season, up up and down year this

1097
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: past year on tape. But then he goes to the

1098
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I get to watch him in person, get

1099
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: to watch him up close and personal, and man, I

1100
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: love how he looked from the slot, and I thought

1101
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: even last summer I was like, man, this guy's got

1102
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: some inside out versatility to him. I like the slot,

1103
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: and then he goes with the combine. He absolutely blows

1104
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: it up athletically, and that to me was just like,

1105
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: all right, I'm back in, baby, We're back in where

1106
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: we were in the summer. I like Max Melton the Ton.

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00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: So those are a canful of guys in this in

1108
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: this corner class that maybe a little smaller, maybe not

1109
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: as big as the guys are gonna go drafted a

1110
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: little ahead of them, but really good football players. And

1111
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: that's what matters most.

1112
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: I love that I have Melton and Abrams Drain. Those

1113
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: are the top two corners outside my top fifty, so

1114
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: they're right there. I think they're both gonna end up

1115
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: going in the second round. They're good football players. Javon Bullard,

1116
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: by the way, I had talked to several teams that

1117
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: said he was one of the best interviews that they had,

1118
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: including like the story about when they when you go

1119
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: to put on the tape. So for those that don't know,

1120
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: you're in the combine room, you're sitting there, you put

1121
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: the tape on, and you're going to ask a player

1122
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: to explain, you know what his what the call was,

1123
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: what his technique was, you know what he was thought

1124
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: process was working through the play. So they queue up

1125
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: a specific play.

1126
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: It was like a third down.

1127
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm just to use as an example, they said, So

1128
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: it's static on the screen to see the down and

1129
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: distance the opponent. The time of the game, so they

1130
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: go all right, well we're gonna get to some tape here,

1131
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: and he goes, all right, well, this is third and

1132
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: seven before they've even pushed play. He goes, this is

1133
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: third and seven before we get to this play. On

1134
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: first down to this series, they ran blank play, We

1135
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: had this coverage. They ended up getting two yards, but

1136
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: we ended up, you know, making a mistake here to

1137
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: a second down. They went being, now we get to

1138
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: this third down right here. Because of you know, knowing

1139
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: the situation and what we had seen the previous week

1140
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: against this team, we had a good feeling when they

1141
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: lined up in this and everybody in the room was like,

1142
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: we haven't even pushed play yet, and this guy's told

1143
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: us the two previous plays, what's going to happen in

1144
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: this play?

1145
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: I mean, they said.

1146
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: He was like, there's a reason you don't get on

1147
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 2: the field that early at Georgia unless you're two things,

1148
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: incredibly talented and really freaking smart.

1149
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: And that's what Bullard was.

1150
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: I think about that. With a lot of those top programs,

1151
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: Georgia absolutely one of them, especially on that defensive side

1152
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: of the ball. Again, like you said, you don't get

1153
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: on the field unless you love the game of football

1154
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: and have the ability and the mentality to do what

1155
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: is required of you. And this guy played safety, he

1156
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: played slot, Like that's a tough assignment. You're going to

1157
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: open against all different sorts of size and shape receivers.

1158
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's tough anyways, But Bullard is somebody who

1159
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: is just in my top fifty because again he's the

1160
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of football player I want on my team.

1161
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: Well, this has been awesome, man, Trevor. We can do

1162
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: this for an hour, Buddy, this has been great stuff.

1163
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: We appreciate all the work that you do and we

1164
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: love everything that we get as a partner with PFF.

1165
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Speaker 2: So we are greedy there with all that you guys

1166
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Speaker 2: provide us and all that you serve the public with

1167
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: with all this information. So we appreciate your time. Hopefully

1168
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: we'll catch up again here before we get to April.

1169
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you guys. You all two are the best.

1170
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: Keep edge game people and keep killing it.

1171
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: Thanks Buddy, well Buck, that was a fun one. Get

1172
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about free agency and some of

1173
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: the moves we saw there, and then a great visit

1174
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: there with Trevor. Again, that's Trevor Sickamo if you haven't,

1175
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: be sure to check out his podcast, NFL Stock Exchange

1176
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: NFL Draft Podcast with Connor Rodgers, who's another one who

1177
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: does really good work around the draft. Two good dudes

1178
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: passionate about it and do their homework, so appreciate him

1179
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: joining us as well. Anything else you want to add

1180
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: before we get out of here.

1181
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: No, those conversations are also always great, man.

1182
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of being back in the

1183
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 4: draft room at the end of the day where you

1184
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: have these last conversations about little things that have interest.

1185
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 4: So it's great to kind of scrimmage some of those

1186
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: ideas with Trevy did a really good job.

1187
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

1188
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good dude. And again, appreciate all the the

1189
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: good stuff we get from PFF and all the access

1190
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: to to be able to break down the film and

1191
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: every kind of cut up imaginable. It's a huge, huge

1192
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: asset as well as By the way, I've never asked

1193
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: you this. Have you ever messed around with the mock

1194
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: draft simulator?

1195
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: Buck? I have done that. I know you and addictive. Man,

1196
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: it's a lot.

1197
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: It's a lot to kind of get in there and

1198
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: if this happens, and that happens, and.

1199
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it all pops.

1200
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: It's almost like you when you basketball, Like I think

1201
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: NBA has like a trade simulator where you kind of

1202
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: miss around and do all the other stuff.

1203
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: That's fun.

1204
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always fun to allow your energym to come out.

1205
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it, Caleb

1206
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 2: believe with the fourth pick.

1207
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: This is incredible.

1208
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: They switch up the algorithm servey now and then you

1209
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit of an outlier like that. But anyways,

1210
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: it's fun tool. If you get a chance, go check

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Speaker 2: it out over there at PFF ultimate. All right, that's

1212
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: gonna do it for today. I hope you guys have

1213
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: enjoyed the episode. We'll be back next week. I've got

1214
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: a new mock draft coming out, so we'll break that

1215
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: down early next week and we can have some fun

1216
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: with that one. Until then, hope you have a wonderful

1217
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: weekend and we'll see you next time. Right here on,

1218
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Speaker 2: Move the sticks.