WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Bonnie Raitt 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.600 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Hey what's 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.680 up y'all? March is Women's History Month. As we celebrate 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.520 at LS, we're going to look back at this classic 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.880 episode from twenty twenty two with Bonnie Raid discussing her 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.200 journey and passion for helping blues legends benefit from their 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:22.000 trail blazing. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.360 You look gorgeous. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:42.200 Oh thank you. You guys are be colorful and I 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.040 was going to do the green and purple and red 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.320 hair saying hello working for you. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.280 Yes, absolutely, ladies and gentlemen, this is Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.520 My name, of course, it is Quest Love Jenkins. We 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.600 are joined by the almighty Team Supreme members starting a 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.880 power forward. My main man, unpaid Bill, How are you, sir? 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.160 Fantastic power forward. I like it Number four, I'll take you. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.280 I'm proud to say that I've gotten unpaid Bill off 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.400 the ledge and I think I made him watch his 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.840 first episode of Euphouri last night to hold me. I'm 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.200 on it, oh man. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.520 I had a full on panic attack and that turned 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:22.880 it off. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.280 You four year is the new uh uh, it's to me. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:31.399 It's the new contraception, It's. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.120 The new don't do drugs. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.360 You have the new don't have daughter? Yeah, it's it's you. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.320 Four is the new do not have kids? Yes? Exactly. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.160 Laiah up next, she's our center. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.800 How are you on the boys and girls? I did? 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.080 How did you know that? Yes? I just took a while. Guest, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.520 how are you this? Uh? This lovely evening. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.279 I'm trying not to embarrass y'all and break into tears 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.440 as I am in the presence of a queen. So 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.920 just just just bear with me because this is it's 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:03.240 a lot. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.960 Okay. So our our power forward is sugar Steve. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.520 You got to stop with the sports now, that's just 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.919 your go to Steve. Like I'm a small for Yeah, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.280 I could shoot the three so it just passes me 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.560 outside and uh oh okay. They used to call me 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:24.800 downtown Stevie Brown. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.240 So all right, well I made you my power forward 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.160 still Steve, of course, my my my shooting guard right 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.240 here it Spawnico, Yes, indeed his own. How are you 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.040 the shooters and the shooters only, I'm good man, I'm 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.600 good man. I'm happy to be here. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.519 This, this, this interview, this is this is gonna be 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.120 a lot of fun because I remember looking in the 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.959 paper as a kid and the Lucky to Draw album 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.720 was always on the charts. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.440 Oh my god, exactly. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.200 Well, that's a ladies and gentlemen, I will say, I'll 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.000 try not to show over the intro too long, but 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.320 I gotta, I gotta pull out the commermative one for this. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.840 I'll say that our guest tonight probably the most truest 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.160 sense of the word is an artist, and the truest 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:14.960 sense of the word of artist that the industry has 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.360 ever known. I think for the last five decades she's 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.120 held the torch super high for I mean, just the 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.840 lost art of sheer authentic blues madness. In addition to 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.919 other genres of music. She's a supreme songwriter, bullseye vocalist, 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:37.160 hands down all star level delta blues guitar mastery. And 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.400 I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna frame it like 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.160 she can hang with the greats. As far as I'm concerned, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.920 the greats are trying to hang with her. Oh and 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:53.080 after oh no, it gets even better. So after yeah, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.320 two decades, after a twenty year run of Critical Claim. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.960 At the Critical Claim release, I will that nineteen eighty 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:06.520 nine the stars aligned when after nine or ten attempts 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.880 I believe. I think it's your tenth album. The world 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.080 finally caught up to her level of soulful rock and 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.960 blues magic with a little bitty album called Nick of Time, 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.520 which in my opinion is one of the most well 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.320 deserved comeback stories. But you know, I know most artists 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.240 like I never left. You know. It's not like an 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.760 overnight success thing. It garnered her album of the Year accolades, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.440 platinum glory, a whole new fan base that resonated and 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.640 related to her outlook of a generation getting mature in 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.120 a new decade, which you know, the nineties were upon 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:46.120 us by that point. Remember the nineties people years ago? Yes, exactly. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.640 Not to be outdone, I'll say that her follow up 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.760 album luck of the draw with the immortal classic I 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:01.800 Can't Make You Love Me? Is it even bigger? Monster? Wait, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.560 it's just hit me right now that my third book 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.880 might be named after a Bonnie rait Saw. I definitely 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.400 remember one of the last conversations Rich and I having 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.200 about naming something the food about, and I remember him, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.360 Bonnie raid So one of my last conversations with my 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.839 manager before he passed. It's just hitting me right now. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.040 Her legend status of course, came full circle in two thousand, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.080 I believe, when she was inducted into the Rock and 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.200 Ball Hall of Fame. I can say for myself personally 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:38.280 that her actual story, her entire story, has been an 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:42.200 inspiration for me as a kind of blueprint in terms 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.320 of artists that are trying to stay true to their 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.760 integrity without and trying to find a space to also 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.960 make a living and connect with their fan base. Of course, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.479 this upcoming summer, she'll be conducting a tour with another 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.359 great Nava Staples. I can go on and on and on, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.120 but please let's just get to it, ladies and gentlemen. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:06.480 Please welcome to QLs ten time Grammy winner, Master Musician, singer, songwriter, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.920 overall legend, Bonnie Raey. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.440 Thank you indeed, yes in the paint with my butts here, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:14.080 thank you? 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:19.120 Yes, absolutely yeah. Indeed where are you talking to us 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:20.680 right now? From where are you at? 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.040 I'm out in Marin County about fifteen minutes north at 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.680 Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, where it is truly 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.839 beautiful and we got some much needed rain for a 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:30.960 minute last night. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.520 Wholl I never heard of California and actually welcome rain. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.000 Normally it's the opposite where I hear them always complaining 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:39.520 about rain. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.240 We need it. We're in a serious drought. Man, we've 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.520 got You saw those terrible wildfires. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.040 On the fire in the west. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.599 Yeah, okay, we need some water. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.400 Season wins coming, all right? 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.280 SONI have you how long have you lived lived out 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:56.839 in that area? 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.920 Well? I go back and forth to La, where I 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.200 was raised. But I got too much traffic, too much 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.040 show business. And once I got sober, about thirty five 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.040 years ago, I went I was up in the daytime 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.080 and I went, Man, this place, this is not beautiful. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.520 And I had been there so many years. I always 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.240 wanted to move to where the redwoods were and where 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.520 I could hike and breathe the clean air and be 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.000 near the ocean. So I've been here like maybe a 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.200 little over thirty years, and I go back and forth. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.040 When I rehearse and go into the show business world, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.920 I go down to LA and then up here I'm 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.440 in the chill in the redwoods kind of. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.360 I love it to go to La, get your money, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.280 and then go back home. I love it. You got 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.680 that right, So you're recommending that if I were to 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.280 choose a place to live in California because I mean, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.480 I'll admit to you, I'm probably one of the few 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.400 people that I might pretend to be. You know, everyone 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.600 pretends that they're so jaded with LA, Like I can't 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.920 stand it's so fake, so phony. Whatever I'm not because 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.640 I don't live there, I still like look forward to 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.400 always coming to La Like it's still there's still a 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.080 little bit of magic luster to me. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.480 But you're feel the same way because I don't live 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.320 there anymore. So when I go there, I get a 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.480 kick out of it, and it's it's it's really there's 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.880 a very There's some really cool stuff in La. There's 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.320 a lot of stuff, but it's really crowded and at 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.280 some point when you're on the roads as much as 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:27.080 I am, and in a hotel downtown, you know, sometimes you 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.760 just want nature and you want some quiet, peace and quiet. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:34.280 But so are you going to ask where I would recommend? Yes, Well, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.160 I'll tell you what, if I didn't have some success 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.000 with nick of time, I probably couldn't afford to have 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.400 moved here. So that was one thing. And you know, 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.960 there's some communities that are affordable in California that are 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.000 also beautiful, but man, that you have to go a 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.439 long way to get there. So if you want to 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.760 be near an airport and hospital, and I don't know, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.160 I think Marin County, Sonoma County, Napa County, those are 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.120 all great. But you got to be worried about the fires. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.400 And you know, on the East Coast you get worried 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.080 about flooding and some extreme weather that you guys have 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.760 been having. But uh, I don't know. I just love 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.920 I love all the parts of California for lots of 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.960 different reasons, the same way I love all parts of 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.439 this country. I just when people ask me, what's your favorite, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.520 I go, Man, the Northwest. No, it's New Orleans. No, No, 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.480 it's Texas, No it's but northern California is where I 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.320 choose to live because the weather's really nice. You can 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.320 go outside every day, and you know, it's kind of 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:33.240 in in the vicinity of some cool cultural scenes in 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.040 Oakland and Berkeley and San Francisco. And yet I got 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.400 the mountains and can have the solace of being in nature. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.240 Roger, Okay, so we're all moving next th to you 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.280 right now, we can. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.160 Right That means Razis is coming, because man, that's the 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.040 second highest place, you know, most expensively in the country. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.720 When I moved here, you know, I just on the 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.520 tail end of where I thought was going to be 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.520 a bunch of you know, hippies and drug dealers and 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.600 shrinks and stuff and just but man, it got soccer 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:02.640 mom pretty fast. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.240 I see, I see. So I start off every episode 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.560 with the same question. So you're no exception to the rule. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.480 Could you please give me your very first musical memory. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.160 Oh? 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.520 I think my dad, who was a Broadway leading man, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.560 singing the songs from his show, with my mom warming 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.720 him up on the panel. She was his musical director 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.760 and rehearsal pianist. And I remember being really little and 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.920 hearing this big, old booming voice singing these great Rogers 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.240 and Hammerstein songs. So I'd have to say, my folks 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:39.720 playing in the house. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:45.480 Were you? What was your siblings situation? How many were you? 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.200 Two brothers, two brothers on either side, two years old 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.800 or two years younger. I'm the only girl. 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:57.000 Oh wow, So okay, you were you were? What was 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.800 that like for you, like in terms of trying to 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.840 find in space? Oh? 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.160 You know, I just ighlized my older brother and I 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.280 went I was a serious tomboy. I got the I 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.800 got the right after I stopped playing with dolls and stuff. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.920 I I scuffed up and just was got real good 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.120 at sports and cut my hair just like my older brother. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:21.720 And uh, I just got the picture early on that 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.079 women had to do all this stupid stuff to make 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.360 themselves pretty and liked. And I just didn't dig it, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.840 you know. So I just sort of stayed with that 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.800 one of the guys thing for a long time. And 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.000 look how I ended up. I'm one of the guys 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:34.679 in my band. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.040 Does that mean you can really fight Bonnie? 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.320 We well, we were Quakers, so we did. That's right, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.880 That's right. I punched my little I got my little 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.320 brother pretty bad some one time. But no, I just 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.280 I think I love being the only girl in between 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.320 my brothers. But you know when when you hit twelve 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.560 and your brother ditches you because he's you know when 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.680 when I'm ten and he's twelve and eleven thirteen, you know, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.120 they just sort of reject you, and then you're just 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.600 left to going, oh my god, what's this puberty thing? 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:04.880 You know? 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.680 Oh yeah, so all bets were off. I had to 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.199 become a girl after all. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.400 Okay, so I'm actually glad you said that, because I'm 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.840 currently dating a Quaker right now, get out of here. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.240 And this and this is one of those things that 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.079 you know, like when someone's so obvious and you're afraid 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.839 to ask questions because you feel like you should know 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:33.040 it already. What exactly differentiates a Quaker from a civilian 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.920 if you will, oh. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.360 Well, the short version of it for lay people is, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.640 my folks were both raised Scotch Presbyterian for my dad 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.440 and my mom was the daughter of a Methodist minister, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.080 and they both after the Second World War they decided 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.280 to become Quakers because they were really the it's not 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.960 an anti religion, but there's no altar, there's no minister, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.600 there's no people sit in a circle and you just 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.400 get Wyatt and anybody that's moved to stand up and 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.040 speak can speak. There's a pacifist a belief in pacifism 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.640 because there's that of God and every person, and if 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.680 you love the divine then you don't want to kill somebody. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.200 The idea is to appeal to that of God and 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.160 another person and reach a conflict resolution and treat like 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.840 Jesus would you know, just see that of God and 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.680 the other person and turn the other cheek and try 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.960 to find a way to get along. So that's the 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.600 short skim the stone across the lake version. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:33.360 But the. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.520 Social version of Quakers is they're the ones on the 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.040 ponchos on the peace March that helped ban the bomb. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.720 They stood up for social justice, they stood up for 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.160 humanitarian They go all around the world and are accepted 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.120 in perias of conflict because they don't take sides. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.040 Always slavery. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.040 Quakers had a belief that everybody was equal and that 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.000 nobody was above anyone else, and they got persecuted from 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.360 it and shoved out of England because they wouldn't take 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.880 their hat off to the king, and they were thrashed 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.480 and flogged in public. So I like their kind of 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.240 rebel spirit, and I like their the teachings of real 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.559 nonviolence and love thy neighbor come to come to roost 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.880 and the Quakers really well, so you're. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.640 Proud, Okay, you're okay, now, I get get it. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.680 Sounds so badass like Quakers. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.040 Oh, Gracie's trying to turn me into a Quaker. I 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:28.560 get it now. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.360 Well, you don't have to listen to a boring sermon. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.080 That's for sure, but I'll tell you what I missed 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.600 the music because there, you know, I listened to gospel 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.080 music in la I turned on a black gospel station 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.680 on Sunday mornings and go, man, that's I dig the 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.600 Quakers and all that. But when you're when you're eight, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.680 you don't want to hold still for an hour, you know. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.320 So there was absolutely no musical worship, not none whatsoever. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.360 No none, none of that. But we, you know, we 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.440 sure made up for it. I just remember playing a 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.080 lot of ping pong in Sunday school. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.520 Really, she's about to turn a lit people. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.720 Well, well you know that your parents, you know, a 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.240 Quaker meeting, you're really quiet. It's like meditation, a group meditation, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.320 and kids are squirmy, you know, so you're you're probably 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.760 too squamy to be a Quaker. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:20.280 You This explains everything I didn't realize. This is where 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:21.320 if my wife is headed. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.480 Yes, you could do worse. You could do worse. You know, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.600 Quakers are really cool there. They stand up for their beliefs. There, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.560 they go to jail and conscientious objectors and you know, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.320 they got a great history fighting slavery and being on 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.720 the right side. And now Richard Nixon was a Quaker. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.200 But that's a different way, different different branch or Quakers 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.680 that had a minister. And you know, they also are 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.440 really simple. They don't believe in, you know, buying stuff 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.040 and adorning themselves with things that you don't need. It's 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.760 not as severe as the Shakers who don't even use buttons. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.240 Remember that Witness movie with Yes, I love that, I 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.440 love that. But Ivan Neville was in my band for 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.840 a long time and he said our expression was Alexander 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.840 good Enough played the boyfriend that was pissed off that 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.480 Kelly McGillis was harboring Harrison forties. He comes out wearing 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.560 her ex husband, her dead husband's clothes and are way 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.080 too small from and good Enough looks looks at him, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:24.160 goes very plain, very plain. So that's what I haven't said. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.320 I haven't said the rest of his time with us, 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.560 I said, how you doing? He's going small? 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:37.479 A small, little little quest of supreme tidbit trivia in 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.840 nineteen eighty four. So for those I mean, for the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.760 three of you who listen to the show that don't 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:51.480 realize my beginnings, I'm My father was a notable oldies 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.560 duop singer back in the fifties. You know, kind of 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.760 made a living in the in the seventies and eighties 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.480 on the on the you know, on the on the 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.880 duop circuit. As you know, you get up in age, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.719 like around your forties and your fifties, so does your 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.080 fan base. And of course, like the way that my 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.879 life is now, where you know, all the CEOs of 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.960 all these companies or whatever like went to college back 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.159 when the roots were first starting. Uh. My dad was 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:25.680 actually offered the role of Danny Glover in Witness. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.640 Whoa Man. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.520 It's one of my big regrets when like some guy 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.159 walked up to him like Lee, and he came to 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:35.880 a show and was like, Lee, I'm such a fan 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.679 of yours. And there's a script. They'd sent a script 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.800 to Witness to the House, and I was like, so 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.719 small you could do it. But you know, my my 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.200 father was very insecure about his reading and talked himself 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.679 out of Oh, like he what I call he manifuct it. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.600 He's said he was chicken. Yeah. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.639 I got offered a role by in a Day becomes 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.920 Her There's a bartender. They ended up writing it out, 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.160 but Tracy Ullman did it, but I was too chicken man. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.520 I mean, I'm pretty ballsy on stage. You know, I 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.000 got one personality. But in my real life, you know, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.879 acting is like, oh, turn the cameras on. I get nervous. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.359 So but I you know, there's I understand that getting 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.960 too chicken when it comes down to being on a film. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:26.480 That reminds me that I'm currently reading a book right 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:31.760 now that is sort of my bible. I gifted it 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.640 to about two hundred of my friends for Christmas. It's 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.040 written by an author called Gay Hendricks, and it's called 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.800 The Good Friend of Mine. Yes four. Chapter four is 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.000 about your story and it's just in me. I didn't 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.040 even make the connection that I'm actually talking to you 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:49.440 right now. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.879 But wow, I didn't even know he put me in 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.639 a book. I hope it was all good, stuffy. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:54.359 It's about me. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.040 It was the chapter the Big The Big Leap is basically, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.840 you know, as I as I've a explain if there 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.880 was ever a story that I wish that I could 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.520 give to people, that I give the story to people 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.800 that I feel that are on the rise to another plateau, 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:18.840 because basically, Gay Hendrick says that we are psychologically programmed 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.160 to not enjoy happiness for more than thirty seconds before. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.919 We instantly like I gotta have a moment right now 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.600 where it's like, yo, I'm so excited to talk to 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.280 Bonnie right right now. But then in the back of 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.000 my mind, I'll say, oh shit, I forgot to turn 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.400 the oven off, or is my mom okay? You stay 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.040 in the moment, right And so it's it's because I 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:48.600 know so many artists that are sort of subconscious self saboteurs. Yeah, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:53.479 but he talks y. So he talks about how you 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:59.359 made a decision to leave your comfort zone, and he 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.800 says that, uh, we all have something called the upper 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.439 limit problem, which is exactly you get to a you 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.359 get to a sky's a limit place where you're just 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.920 like I'm comfortable here, I'm comfortable doing my podcast, I'm 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.760 comfortable doing this, and I don't want to do anything else. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.040 And how you made an active decision to uh move 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:24.000 into uncomfortable spaces and he basically said that you manifested 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:29.760 your nick of time moment like literally you you you 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.359 you saw yourself getting on stage accepting the award. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.000 I did well, I did. There was a cassette when 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.439 I first got sober, I got a Lazarus you know 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.840 some channel guy. Somebody gave me these cassettes and this 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.639 guy was channeling this person who doesn't talk anything like 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:46.840 this other guy. I don't know if you guys have 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.520 ever heard anybody the channels someone from another realm and 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.080 you don't even know what they care about. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.720 I do this all the time, Yes, I mean that 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:56.520 was what's so cool? 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.240 And I and I remember doing this thing like it said, concentrate. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.640 You know, picture yourself doing something that you really really 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.240 would like, like either be married with kids and playing 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.679 with them on the carpet, or something that is just 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.520 out of the realm of possibility, but you wish what happened. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.600 And I said, oh, this is crazy. And you know, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.000 I had been dropped by my label. I hadn't made 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.680 the album with nikked Times signed a new contract yet, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.960 and I just had this beautiful rebirth of being sober. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.240 I just took to it really well. And Mi I 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.000 was healthy, I'd lost a bunch of weight, and I 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.440 was just so grateful and I picture I said, Okay, 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.480 I'll pick the wackiest thing I can think of. I'm 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.680 standing on the stage at the Grammys in this gold 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:42.679 jacket and I'm thanking people at the podium at the 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.919 Shrine auditorium, and they said, now picture yourself and go 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.720 up about thirty degrees and hold that image from the 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.960 back as if you're looking down from another plane. And 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.400 hold that for about thirty seconds, you know, a few 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.480 times a day, and see what happens. So I did it, 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.800 you know, just for a goof and then forgot all 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:04.399 about it. And then it wasn't until luck of the 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.720 draw that I turned to Don was and I said, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.120 oh my god. He said something about, you know, manifesting, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.360 and I went get out of here because I had 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.439 totally forgotten that I had really just made that leap. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.520 And I remember Gay saying how. I asked him how 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.399 he was doing, and Gay said, I'm really happy. I 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.480 made a decision to be happy. He said, all you 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.520 have to do is make a decision to overcome that 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.680 self doubt in the back of your mind. And your dad, 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:37.200 your dad could have been a movie star. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:42.360 Yeah, well, I'm literally that. I'll say that that book. 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:47.160 There's about ten books I recommend, but of all, I'll 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.760 say the forty books I've read in the last two years, 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.000 basically since like March of twenty twenty, when the pandemic started. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.760 This is the book that I feel has resonated with 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.600 my community, Like this morning, I gave it to Janelle James, 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:09.080 you know, like the second, like the second that I 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.439 hear any artists do a self doubt thing, Like we 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.680 have a friend named j Nel James who's like excellent 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:21.400 stand up comedian and she's now pivoting into uh comedic 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.480 actress on a show called Abbot Elementary killing. It is 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.360 killing that ship is the lead? 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:31.720 Is she the lead of it? She is? 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:33.439 She's really funny, She's like the. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.720 Cramer, right, And so I told her, like, you're so 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.880 good that I will. I mean, I don't know why 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.840 with with with the television Academy, I haven't been as 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.000 vigilant as I've been with the Tony's and the Oscars 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.959 and the Grammys. But I told her, I'm actually going 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.240 to send it in my form so that I can 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:57.320 vote for you to be Best Supporting Actress. But she 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:59.280 kind of like duck and dies like oh no, you 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.600 know whatever, And this that triggers me, And instantly I 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.280 was like, nope, I'm giving you this book right now. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.720 Like nothing triggers more than self doubting people. 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.000 So it's called The Big Lead to everybody listening, and 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.040 it is available on iBooks and I'm buying it and 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.280 not waiting to be the two hundredth and ten friend 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:17.920 to get it. 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:19.560 I will buy it before you. 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.600 It's okay, well I got fifteen dollars, Come on, man, Okay, yeah. 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.119 Get no, seriously, it's it's a short book. It's I 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:31.160 get an audio book. You'll be finished in two days. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:36.000 But it's probably the most crucial book. And literally the 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:40.840 Bonnie Rate chapter is what I'm using right now. Cool 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.200 for my situation in four weeks. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.359 So I like that Bonnie Rate didn't even know that 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:47.520 there was a chapter about them. 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.840 Me too, Yeah, I like that I didn't even make 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.119 the correlation that the person that made me do my 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:58.159 morning mirror exercise is. I'm talking to it and I 0:24:58.200 --> 0:24:59.920 totally forgot that it's good. 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:01.919 And so what's this? 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.880 This synchronicity of this stuff is pretty amazing, isn't it. 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.760 Clearly you guys have your pastor over there in the corner. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:12.720 But wait, so, Bonnie, do you do more? 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:13.000 Now? 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:14.840 Do you do more manifesting? Do you do more? 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.959 Kind of like you know, I try to try. I 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.960 know that, I mean I can't really say I ever 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.480 did that. I've told people about the miracle of that 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.359 because I just because especially because I forgot about it 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.840 and then that exact thing happened. But I think if 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.840 you imagine something that you really want, Like when I 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.720 have friends that are ill, I picture them up and 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.800 about and recovered, and I picture that really hard and 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.879 that trick about this not from Gay Hendrix, but the 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:50.560 channeling Blizaarrest that's standing above and looking down at the 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.000 you know, burning that into your mind that here's my 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.400 friend who's ill. Not only is he out of bed, 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.119 but he's walking around taking a you know, we're taking 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:00.879 a walk in the park. I'm gonna go get some 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.080 get a salad someplace, you know, and just imagine that. 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.520 Just picture us and just picture it pictured. I think 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:07.920 there's really great point. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.280 I'm doing it like I think a lot of people 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.680 who are listening me play. When I get this kind 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:15.879 of information music, I'm not. 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.760 I'm chuckling because it's just hit me that this might 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:24.320 be the six quest Love Supreme in a row that 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.800 that has been more about self improvement, and like like 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.240 we're about to be lifestyle improvement instead of music. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.680 Yeah, you know what you gotta fix. You gotta fix 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.000 the inner, the inner to get the outer. You know 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.960 what I mean, music comes to all comes from the 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:43.240 same source. If you got, as Robert Johnson said, stones 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.440 in my pathway, you know you got to move them 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.119 out of the way and let that, let that flow happen. 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.760 Absolutely I agree with you. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.480 I mean, self self doubt. Self doubt is an interesting 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.800 source of songs. I mean, I wrote a funk jazzy 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.840 song on my new record call waiting for you to 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.080 oh about the little Devil on your shoulder, just going 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.080 come on, I just I know you're gonna mess up. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.640 Come on, have another piece of pie, you know, stay 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.840 up late, forget lie about returning those emails. You know, 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.640 oh I meant I did send them. You know, all 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.440 that ways that you you flirt with the dark side, 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.159 and you know that's just part of being human and 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.560 then you forgive yourself and pay attention and move on. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.000 But you know, you got to pay attention. 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.000 I was excious to know Bonnie about your sobriety. You say, 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:32.280 you know it spent thirty five years. 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:33.240 Yeah. 0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:37.000 Sobriety is something that it's tough in any aspect, but 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.720 particularly in the context of the music business, I imagine 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.200 it's you know, even crazier. 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.000 How have you say sober all these years? 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:48.000 Well, for starters, that the inspiration of seeing how many 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.480 people didn't make it, you know, losing friend after friend 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.359 to either deliberate or accidental or just lifestyle caught up 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.600 with them. And that doesn't even have to be you know, 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.760 drugs and alcohol. It can be workaholism or you know, 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.000 gambling or food or whatever. You know, the ways that 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.080 you're just kind of filling that hole. And once you 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:13.159 understand about the addictive personality that and you know a 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.720 lot of us just developed an allergy to drugs and 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.400 alcohol as we got in our For me, a lot 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.479 of us in our late thirties couldn't get away with 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.919 what we got away with for those first twenty years. 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.720 And it just didn't look good. You know, I got fat, 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.120 I got I mean, I wasn't messing up my shows. 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.159 I mean, audiences love blues singers that are heavy, you know, 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.600 and have man problems. Oh look at. 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.679 Her, you know that's part of it. I mean, ye, 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.240 that's the Mary J. Blige syndrome. We seemed only like 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.520 her when she's depressed. What She's said, you know. 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.680 What, you know, Eda lost a lot of weight. She said, 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.160 I wonder if people are still gonna want to come 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.400 see me, you know, I said to the girl. So anyway, 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:55.160 how I stay sober? I's it wasn't. I was really 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.600 lucky and really blessed because there's a whole lot of 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.400 people in our industry who had to stop. And I'm 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.280 one of the people that needed to stop. It worked 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.400 better for me right away. And because of those people 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:10.480 in those rooms, in those meetings, there are professional partiers, 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.280 so their stories are better, they're funnier, they're you know, 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.280 we all help each other, so it's not something you 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:20.040 do alone. But it's really the community. I know anywhere 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.520 in the world when I have issues, I can go 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.440 to any meeting, either virtually or in any town. I've 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.760 been in meetings in Russia and Australia with like pirates 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.000 down by the docks, you know, guys that look like 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.680 Popeye with no teeth, with one hundred and fifty tattoos, 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.960 you know, like, and you hear those stories about how 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.240 they stay sober. You know, it's kind of a cool fellowship. 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.760 So it was. It was an unexpected, non cult kind 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.280 of a thing I thought. I thought it was going 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.280 to be a bunch of moonies talking about Jesus all 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:48.600 the time. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:53.320 So it's not. I always wondered about that because there 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.240 been a few times where I thought that I too 0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:02.320 would have to sort of flirt with circles of meetings 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.239 and whatnot. And then I always taught myself out of it, 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:10.120 because you know, I felt like post social media age, 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.240 like there's no such thing as being anonymous. But there 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:19.040 was never there was never any trepidation of like, you know, 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.239 oh my god, it's fucking violent rate sitting here in 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.240 our circle with you know, that sort of thing. 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.360 Or I was really nervous about it, which is why 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.880 in my case and a lot of my other friends, 0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.920 there was a musicians meeting. You know, I know there's 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.760 lawyers ones, there's doctors ones, because doctors are afraid they're 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.760 going to run into their patients, right, you know what 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.440 I'm saying. That's my mom And it didn't go well. 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.920 You know now, I know why. You know, in the laws, 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.240 I never thought about it. I mean, imagine going to 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.360 an AA meeting and senior the judge that sent you 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.280 your other away, you know what I mean. So I 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.160 could dig why people go to a community industry in 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:03.560 our industry. So I've been doing a zoom meeting with 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.880 people that are in the industry, and people are really 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:10.720 respectful and we all need the same thing. So the 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.120 musicians meeting really gave me the confidence in the anonymity 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:18.320 and took the pressure off. But then I just wear 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.600 a hat and I don't even People don't know it's 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.040 me when I go on the road. If I go 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.040 to a meeting, you know, they just don't. They're only 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.840 interested in your first name and your story. So but 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.600 you know, if I've walked down Fifth Avenue with Whoopy Goldberg, 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.160 I don't think she could ever disguise herself. So, you know, 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.480 Ques Love, you might have a hard time being anonymous, 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.440 but I think if you just pick and you get 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.480 used to it, it's after about the second meeting, you 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.480 don't even think about it. 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:50.720 Okay, No, No, I've gotten away with many a non 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:58.640 crime crime in terms of his hat game. Sarcastic, I'm surious. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.800 Yeah, it's all bad hats, and for me, it's covering 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:07.400 up this little skunk streak. I want the only real 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:12.520 color I have on my head. But the and if 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:13.680 I don't wear I make up. 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:13.960 Man. 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.800 People do not get it. But when I check in 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.880 my luggage outdoors on the cat and the curb at 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.800 the airport, guy's going give them something to talk about. 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:29.040 The porters always skycaps, always know it's me. Now we 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.120 just check in, check in with a you know, kiosk. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:36.200 But can you tell me do you remember the first 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.360 record that you ever purchased? 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.520 Yeah, it was Odetta Wow Getta. It was like I 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.080 didn't have a lot of money, but I spent my 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.480 allowance on a record store where we could go into 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.600 Wallack's Music City and put the headphones on, and I 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.920 went to summer camp while my dad was on tour 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.800 doing Broadway shows in regional theaters and summer stock. 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.680 John Reid, we should also mention that your father's the 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.400 legend Daria John Raye, theater actor. 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.480 And Broadway music leading man. Yeah, from Carousel and Pajama 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.240 Game and Oklahoma. So he made his living touring three 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.719 months every summer. And their friends had a Quaker friends 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:16.120 had a camp with all counselors from all around the 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:21.120 world and un kids. You know, just every every stripe, 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:26.520 every possible permutation of religion and color and background, and 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.800 we all went to this camp, and our counselors were 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.000 mad for folk music, so that's how I got way 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.720 into it, and I idolized my counselor, and she turned 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.160 me onto Odetta and Joan Baez, and I went home 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.520 and begged for a guitar for Christmas and just sat 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.960 there and taught myself to play till my little fingers 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:47.920 were bleeding. And that was that Odetta record. She continued 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.840 to be an inspiration to me, but that was I 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.760 never heard a voice like that in my life. 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.280 So you were self taught or did you have any 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:55.520 lessons at all? 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.600 I had piano lessons for five years, but the teacher 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.040 didn't want to let me learn. Back then, they didn't 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.960 let you learn pop music, so I switched. I had 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.680 gotten pretty good on the guitar, taught myself to fingerpick, 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.400 but I never had any lessons, so I do positions 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.440 of the chords and the slide guitar. I play on 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.319 the wrong finger because I taught myself entirely in my 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.680 room without anybody showing me, and I played by ears. 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.200 So by the time I was around other guitar players 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.880 and saw that you'd play e in this position, and 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.799 you're supposed to use your fingers for this for that 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.480 chord too late. I already was doing it. 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.120 So you know, every time I've heard you speak about 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.959 music either, you know, like you'll do these shows where 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.759 you'll tell stories and whatnot, Like I always felt like 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.120 you were a serious musician and a serious advocate for 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.160 like all these blues grates that you know that aren't 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.680 really championed by like the mainstream press and whatnot. But 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.560 I always wanted to know, because I mean, you're coming, 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.320 you're coming of age when the bridg this invasion starting 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.360 and all these things, like in your teen years, like 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:09.040 you just didn't listen to like the Archies, Yummy Yummy yummy, 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:14.000 or just like just like pop music. 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.600 You know, LA was all that. When I was in 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.120 junior high school, it was a super fad for the 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.120 beach boys, and surfing came in, so all the guys 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.720 had their hair like Dennis Wilson and bleached to blonde, 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.520 and you know, it just was too plastic instead of 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.439 At the time, I wanted to be a beatnik and 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.920 a jazzer, and I was. I was a member of 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.920 Core and Snick and you know, because we were Quaker 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:41.440 I just couldn't wait to get old enough to go 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:48.000 to Dantas Village and yeah, come back, and I was 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.799 like reading sing Out magazine and I just wanted I 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.759 went to camping that yeah, in the East Coast with 0:35:53.840 --> 0:36:00.000 all these liberal, lefty international counselors and campers, and I 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:04.799 and La just seemed really plastic. So I loved when 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.640 people have asked me, how did you get into R 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.120 and B and blues? And I said, you know, early on, 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.760 I knew the difference between Bill Haley and Little Richard 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:18.680 and Pat Boone. And you know, Fats Domino was like 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.279 a god to me. You know, Chuck Barry, come on, 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.239 Chuck Berry was like the most gorgeous guy I'd ever seen, 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.880 and he played the hell out of the guitar. His 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:32.000 grooves were hilacious. So Fats. You know, Lloyd Price, oh 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.440 my god, I mean. And then somebody gave me when 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.120 I was twelve, a guy who sold Channel Master TV 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:42.319 Antennas gave rca own the channel Master and he said, hey, 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.279 Bonnie likes music, and he gave me a box of 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.720 twelve Ray Charles albums that I you know, at that age, 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.680 at twelve, I would have never been able to afford 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.160 or even knowing about. So I got Genius plus soul 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.719 equals jazz. I got Ray Charles and Betty Carter, the 0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.359 album dedicated dedicated to you, you know, all the yeah 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.600 named after the cities. I mean, you talk about learning 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.560 how to sing? That was between listening to gospel on 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.960 Sunday on the radio and all of the R and 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.680 B records that I just mentioned, you know, Major Lance, 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.319 and then Motown came in. That was it. I was 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.080 just the Motown until Loretha Franklin and Stacks and Sam 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.600 and Dave. Total soul music hound. But I didn't hear 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:27.440 about electric blues until the Rolling Stones played Little Red 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.880 Rooster and Holland Wolf and Muddy Waters, and then I 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:31.759 got I think, like a lot of kids in the 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.600 mid sixties, we got turned onto our own musical heritage 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:40.600 by the Brits. So I was just a total blues hound. 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.560 Okay, I was going to stay that. I worked with 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.960 Marshall Chess a few times, you know, in the early Arts, 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:53.240 and he was telling me stories about trying to convince 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.320 his dad and a lot of the older blues artists 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.279 on that label to sort of loosen up and get 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.879 with the times of like Black Psychedelic Rocket and all 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:06.279 these things, Like especially with the Muddy Waters record. What 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.279 was the wait, Steve, didn't you engineer that project? But 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:14.960 uh we did, like it was Electric Mud, Yeah, the 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.560 Electric Mond stuff. So when I mean I didn't, I 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.600 didn't engineer the original Electric. 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:27.960 Mud I'm not, no, no, but yeah, that was one 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.160 of the greatest fold out album cover pictures of all time. 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.319 That in Isaac Cayes, the fold out picture that turned 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.720 into a poster. I had him in my house, Isaac 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:42.560 and Muddy like hello, really only no, no, I was out. 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.800 I was out the house by then, Okay, okay, yeah. 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.400 So what I wanted to know was okay, so as 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.319 a true fan of the blues, like I know that 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:58.040 older blues fans, some of them scoffed that, like yo yourself, 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.480 like similar to to Dylan getting some pushback from going Electric, 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.560 that there were some authentic blues fans that felt like, 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.439 you know, like, now these guys are trying to sell 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:13.439 out to get a younger, to get the hippies, and 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:16.080 you know, to get a wider audience and all those things. 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.960 But did those particular Now from my standpoint, I loved 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.600 Electric Mud, Like half the first Cipercillo album is from 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.080 you know, the Electric Mud record and what's the other title, 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:34.840 what's his name? Hates? Well, no, no, there the titles. 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:39.040 Really he hates this album. It was like a sarcastic 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.919 album title, like Muddy Waters hates his second album more. 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.560 Oh god, I don't know. I just didn't. I didn't 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:45.920 relate to those records, so. 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.480 Right, no, no, no, But I meant like for you to 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.600 hear at least. I mean, never think that you released 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:57.719 in your early teens when that came out, did you. Well? 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.360 I was in the middle teens, and I didn't dig it. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:00.600 You know. 0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.960 I love those early Muddy Waters records, I mean as 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.520 some of the greatest playing of any band ever, Hallan Wolf, 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:12.879 Muddy Waters, Johnny Hooker's original records, Oh geez, Electric Mind. Yeah, 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.080 I'm not a big psychedelic I didn't like I got 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.240 the playing on some I didn't. I haven't heard Electric 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.600 Mond in a long time. I did buy it, but 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.440 I haven't heard it in a long time. But I 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.680 did have that the album in the robes, I mean, 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:30.480 and his hair come on it was and then I 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.520 had no idea I'd be like, really good friends with 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.040 Muddy all those years later, so you know, we we 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.040 I wanted to have an open mind about the sessions 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.440 that they did with you know, English guys, and I 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.280 just didn't think it sounded as good as the originals. 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.200 I was. 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.600 I was prejudiced the other way, you know, as. 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:53.840 Or because even now with hip hop, like there's a 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:58.359 lot of our greats that you don't have decisions to make, 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:03.719 like should they readjust their like For example, Nas is 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.759 a great example of that. Like right now, Nas is 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:13.759 about to see probably some of his best success sort 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.080 of getting a little younger with who's producing this record 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.480 hit boy with hip Boy, which of course, you know, 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.560 his older fans are like, you know the album that 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.279 Na's made twenty five years ago is like, you know, 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:31.000 that's their north star. And you know, I'm happy for success. 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.880 I'm happy for success now, but you know, but I 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.240 also feel like maybe that's us also secretly just saying 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.040 that we wish that time would stand still. That's exactly 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.800 what it is. You can never compete with nobody's nostalge. 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.799 Bro like you know ears, don't you know if your 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.440 ears don't dig something. I mean, everybody's got the right 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.520 to do whatever they do in their musical path, and 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:56.840 nobody wants to get stuck or boor And people have 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.359 the right to go more commercial if that if they're 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.440 sick of being a obscure, it's you know, but you 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.640 got to really dig it. You got to love what 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:08.160 you're the combination of your new collaboration and being put 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.560 through the new producers. You gotta love it and not 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.520 do it for commercial reasons, in my opinion, is because you're. 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.320 Not guarantegued to have that commercial success. 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.239 Yeah, and if your fans don't dig it, you know, 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.600 that's you know, it's their choice to stick with the 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.880 older stuff, you know, but. 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:26.840 Be rate of it, right, Like that's what you were 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.040 talking about earlier about what's special about your music in 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.520 a way is because when and that's what Amir was saying, 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.160 when you can stay true to yourself and still reach 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.000 these levels of success and you know, crossover, but you're 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.879 not changing who you are. 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.920 Well, that was a lot of things happened at that 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.800 particular time where my my guild, you know, the Recording 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:50.160 Academy gave me some props at a time when the 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.840 public at largic I've never been nominated for a People's 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.680 Choice or American Musical ord or any of that kind 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.160 of stuff. So it was really five thousand people were 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:01.440 voting for Grammys, and I think Don and Tom Petty 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.360 probably canceled each other out and I just kind of 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.640 eked by by a few, you know, got me out 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.759 a year. I mean it sold a million before. 0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.840 You're the people's champ. 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.759 No, I like being a cult artist. And after that 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.640 initial first two albums with Nick of Time and look 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.360 at the draw, and then all of the regime that 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.120 promoted me got fired at Capital and I had eight 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.840 presidents in the fifteen years that I was on that label. 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:28.759 I don't even think I was on there that long. 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.759 And every time you make a relationship with radio and 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.800 they come to your shows after the show on tour, 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:38.120 and you have these relationships with the promotion people, and 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.560 then they fire everybody and bring in new people that 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.319 have no relationships. My third album that should have done 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.520 just as well, would Love Sneaking Up on You on it, 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.960 you know, went from seven million records to two million 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.160 because there was nobody coming to the shows. It was 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.799 no relationship. I didn't go to the radio stations. They 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.640 didn't have any free tickets for me to say low 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.600 to them afterwards, and you know, it just petered out. 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.920 And then frankly, the agism and the music business. You know, 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:07.239 at forty five, almost every woman especially gets booted off, 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:11.400 even VH one, so you become the legacy artist. But 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.480 you know, I'm happy selling three thousand seats at the 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.439 Beacon Theater two nights at the Beacon. That's a hell 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.439 of a crowd, you know. 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:18.680 For me. 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:24.000 So I'm grateful to have no pressure. I never wanted 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.279 the pressure of having to follow up another record with 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.080 it be compared to how successful this one was. I 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.759 just want to artistically keep getting good reviews and having 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.120 people go, she did it again. There she goes, she 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.279 did it again. But you know, like everybody else, I 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.399 have my favorite albums of my favorite artists. And while 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:46.160 I'm on that, I just have to say this show 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.560 has had some of the most incredible conversations with people 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.200 that I love and goes so deep. The one with 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.680 Bruce Hornsby just slayed me. Oh man, Oh wow, that's 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.560 my jam. If I can have one, If I can 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.480 only have one artist on a desert island for the 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.880 rest of all life, it would be Bruce Hornsby, Why 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.520 Bruce does just listen to the introduction of I Can't 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:12.239 Make You Love Me? Or the end of Innocence Mandolin Rain. 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:21.080 Oh my god, Oh my god, that's the one for me. 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.359 Shaka and you guys talked about that on the show. 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.560 I learned a whole lot on the show was great. 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:28.719 Wow, thank you. I'm glad. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.920 You talk about basketball. There was a lot of basketball 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:36.719 in that show too. 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.320 Yeah, right, thank you a basketball player. 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.120 I feel like we should end this interview right now. 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:43.600 That's a pretty good exactly. 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:54.200 So can you tell me what led to your signing 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:58.439 to Warner Brothers in seventy one? In the beginning, yeah, 0:45:58.840 --> 0:45:59.840 what the process was? 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.880 Well, because I wasn't expecting to do this for a living, 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.760 and I just happened to be dating the Dick Waterman 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.399 who managed Son House and Mississippi, Fred McDowell, and had 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:16.439 helped rediscover Son the father of Delta Blues, and brought 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.480 him out and put a lot of the blues artists 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:22.560 under one agency so that these club owners couldn't say, Hey, 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.960 we've already had our older black guy this month, why 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.680 should we pay you guy eight hundred bucks? And we 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.560 got him for five hundred you know, excuse me. So 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.200 he consolidated him in kind of a guild of badass 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.960 and Ray kept their prices up and didn't didn't get 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:41.120 them these young blues fans that were managing these guys, 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.720 was running them ragged. They were like in their sixties 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.040 and making him play three shows a night and taking 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.680 half their money. And anyway, it's a sordid story, but 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.279 Dick Waterman was really instrumental in bringing Buddy Guy and 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.279 Junior Wells out of Chicago. Big Barthur crued up. He 0:46:55.360 --> 0:47:00.840 got the royalty, finally got royalty reform in Elvis Presley. Finally, 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:05.520 after after Arthur died, they settled the estate with Elvis 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.400 Presley and they finally got some money for That's all right, mama, 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.960 I mean just the man was so I had I 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:17.120 had access to opening the shows for my heroes. I didn't. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:20.000 I wasn't threatening. I was cheap. I played my own guitar, 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:21.920 you know, I carried my own guitar. I didn't need 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.279 a band, and I got my foot in the door 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:32.239 just opening for my heroes. And somebody, Dick's lawyer, Nat Weiss, well, 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.320 it was the lawyer that was handling. He was Brian 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:39.840 Epstein's partner in the States, and he George Harrison wanted 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.400 Buddy Guy on Apple and Eric Clapton wanted him on 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.080 rso so they were they they brought Dick and I 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.680 went to the meeting when when and Nat wise said no, 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.040 I think you should sign with Atlantic. And meanwhile we 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.680 became friends, and I was playing the gas Light opening 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.799 for Fred McDowell and Nat came down and he went, oh, man, 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.120 you got you got something there. And so he called 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.959 all these record labels and had them send scouts down. 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:07.960 And the other scouts saw the other scout and they went, 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.600 what did this guy know? You know? So he drummed 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:15.840 up this interest in me. But I always knew I 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:17.680 wanted to go with Warners because they had Ry Cooter 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:22.439 and Randy Newman and James Taylor. And I went out 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.280 to La on Capitol's Dime and played at the Troubadour 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.280 and did a showcase. But in the afternoon I snuck 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.399 over to Warner Brothers and said, I want to come 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.640 on your label. So I asked, I asked for a 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.400 hundred I asked for one hundred percent total artistic control. 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:40.800 I said, don't give me. I'll just give me the budget. 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.600 I'll make the record, no advance. If I save anything 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.520 after making the record, I'll buy myself a new Volvo 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:51.440 or something. And I said, just get don't tell me 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.719 when to play record with, who to work, what to sing, 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.359 and how to look. And I work my ass off 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.920 for you. And they went for it at twenty one. 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:04.040 So wait a minute, you're saying that you were out 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.000 there to to talk to Capital. 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:08.960 They paid for the trip. 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.600 Yeah, right, and instead you Wow. 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:15.080 Well, I mean I was open. I was open to it, 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.880 but in my heart if I could get Warner Brothers interested, 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:22.480 Randy Newman and Right Cooter were like, you know, Apollo 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.480 and Zeus to me, you know, that was just it 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.560 and the and Warner Brothers that said, we make our 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:30.839 money from Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. We don't care 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.280 if you're not a hit record. You can do whatever 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.080 you want. Wow, you know, little they had Little movie, 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.200 you know they gave we believe in you. You're not 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.719 a singles artist. We have the grateful debt. We'll make 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:43.880 our money from these other guys. So I thought that 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:45.000 was so righteous. 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.480 Who was the CEO of a Warner at that. 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:53.480 Time, well, Mo Austin and Joe Smith were the Raprise 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:58.080 and Warner Brothers to pairs in the same funky old 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:02.400 building that no longer exis, So they were a family 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:03.640 kind of a joint, you know. 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:08.200 It was like, so, yeah, can you also this is 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.920 what I always wanted to know. I don't know. I 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:17.080 think one trip to Japan, I think I've ran across 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:21.840 like a Warner Brothers e b K. Where not since 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.439 the days of Motown did I see this thing where 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:28.319 like all the Warner Brothers artists would travel together, Like 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.359 I think I was looking looking up like old Graham 0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:34.480 Central Station footage, but it was like the Doobie Brothers, 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:39.520 Bonnie Ray Graham Central Station. It was like, was it 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:43.640 always like that where there was a Warner Brothers touring 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.239 season where they Well, I. 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:48.080 Didn't get to go. I had so many I worked. 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.480 I was booked like six months in advance for the 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.439 ten months of the next year. And I made six 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.480 albums in seven years and stayed on the road to 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.560 hold my old twenties. I don't know how I did it. 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:00.360 But the Warner Brothers Music Show I didn't get to 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.040 go on. They went to Europe. I don't know. They 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:03.680 must well, you must have known if they went to 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:07.640 Japan together. But it was little feet mantros to doobies. 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.439 It was just like, yeah, and they had that thing 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:14.080 where Team A would play this city with this set 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.640 of equipment and then Team B would they'd leave the 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:19.680 sound system and then swap it and take the train 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.880 and go over. But I didn't I never heard of 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.600 another label doing that. There was such a hip idea. 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.799 Okay, so they were really they were really like a 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:31.160 family based. 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:36.000 Absolutely, And then it was way before Warners was at 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.640 the end of the seventies, Warners, Electra and Atlantic formed. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:43.920 We had a big, shiant corporate building and you know, 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:48.840 Thriller and Rumors sold twelve million copies and Thriller was huge, 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:54.399 and Miami sound Miami Vice soundtrack records just went were 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.680 billions sellings. So then when I renegotiated my deal when 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.319 I was up for resign, Walter Yettnikov tried to get 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.880 me to come over to CBS. When he turned James Taylor, 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.560 who had been languishing it Warner's, they made me. He 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.840 was a big hit because and he said, I'll do 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:13.120 for you what I did for James Taylor and Warners 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:17.759 was so pissed they matched his offer and then they 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.160 penalized me for it because it wasn't bringing in the 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.040 big bucks. You know, I was going to say, it 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.120 was all about it was all about money after that, 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:26.080 you know, I. 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:30.080 Was going to say, during that initial period, when you know, 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:32.160 you had the you had the buzz, you had the 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:36.120 critical claim. Shit, you even got the cover of Rolling 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:44.360 Stone for you, did you were you personally like? Because 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.440 oftentimes would like I have the same situation. Well not 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:52.080 even I like both Fonte and I kind of came 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:56.040 from situations where like, we have massive critical claims with 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.359 our product, and oftentimes I think people would just come 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.080 up to me like, yeah, but you guys don't care 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.000 about that, because you guys are real artists. You don't 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.480 need to grow a real artist. 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.120 No, I would have liked to. I would have liked 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.279 to given my band a raise, you know what I mean? 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:13.080 Right? Yeah? 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:16.759 And run Away my version of Del Shannon's Runaway, kind 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.520 of like Love and Happiness. I did this kind of 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.880 al green thing and had Michael, and you know, I 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.640 thought it was a hip idea. It started one of 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.839 many covers that I like to rearrange, and they in it, 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:30.879 and it got up to number twenty, and then they 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:32.799 just didn't put the damn records in the stores. You know, 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.240 I wasn't a priority, and so that pissed me off. 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.640 You know, it pissed me off that I was doing 0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:40.960 harder work than my record company wasn't following through all 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.440 they needed to do. If I sold three thousand seats, 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.440 there should be at least three thousand records in that 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:49.120 town that people could go by after they see the show. So, 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.640 you know, everybody bitches about being miss not promoted, but 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.239 you know, I thought they didn't do as great a 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:59.680 job as what I was hoping. But I agree that 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.279 my music isn't that commercial and I don't look like 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.560 Stevie Necks, you know what I mean. I mean, I 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.520 didn't have that. I didn't have that thang that makes 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:13.640 you go from a respected artist to you know, you know, 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.000 like my other female compatriots. 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.520 I was sitting here trying to think who who were 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.600 buying these peers at the time, because you were talking 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.640 about being on tours as you were twenty something. I 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:27.719 heard all these male names and I'm like, well. 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:33.160 Linda Ronstadt, Emmy Lou Harris, Phoebe Snow. You know, yeah, 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.240 we were all we were all on tour all together. 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:35.560 I was. 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.160 Okay, good, That's what I want to ask you. Did 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:40.360 you get to tour with these ladies. 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:43.200 No, we just went to each other's show because we 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:45.440 had our own band and crew to pay for so 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:48.040 we There wasn't until the Lilith Fair that we that 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.520 they finally had women on the same bill. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:52.680 That didn't happen to Lilith Fair. 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:54.920 But I mean I could have I could have done 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.359 another woman, but it was made made for a better 0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.560 show if you had a little bit of a dis 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.000 you know. Well, at first I was playing with Muddy, 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.880 you know, I had Mos Allison, and I had Sippy 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.000 Open and Ruth Brown and Charles Brown. So I had 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.279 I had some debts to pay and showcase people that, 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.640 you know, I wanted to showcase. But I had a 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.400 lot of singer songwriters that that wrote the songs that 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.279 I put on my records, and I owed it to 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:20.440 them to give them as I build up my following. 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.400 I love to be able to showcase Chris Smith. 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:24.360 But the piece that you that was interesting that you 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.239 said was since you toured, when you were twenty one. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:27.759 I was just curious because you were one of the 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.800 only females on tour at that time, and you touring 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:31.040 with you. 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:34.120 Oh no, Emmy, Lou and Linda and Maria. We know 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.760 there was lots of women touring and I'm sure country 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:38.680 I don't follow country music much, but I think they 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:43.439 were all touring, but not with you. No, no, wed Wow. 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:45.400 So that's what I was saying, Like back in the day, 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.320 it seemed like you were on tour. You know, it 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:48.600 was a lot of fellas, a lot of folks that 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:49.920 you looked up to. But that must have been an 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.879 experience in itself and lessons that you learned in that way. 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.719 Oh yeah, because you know, if you're if you're the 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.160 only girl in the entourage, you look pretty good at 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:03.880 two in the morning. I'm getting no, but I mean, 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.920 I'm not, I'm not. I'm just saying that sometimes you 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:11.600 date within the which which you have to be careful 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.080 because you're still on that bus together for another ten 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:17.120 months if it doesn't work out, awkward. 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.560 You know, I'm one of those people that can sort 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:25.440 of attest to you know, I've been really careful on 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:32.640 meeting my heroes. Some of them have been magical. Some 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:39.719 of them have been not magical. Okay, yeah somewhere assholes. 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:46.640 I know that because you're such a champion for like 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:51.440 all these authentic blues artists, of them all, like who 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.239 of that legendary circle that you grew up listening to 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:03.200 from your childhood did you really bond with personally in 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.000 your first time not post Nick of Time John Lee 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:09.399 Hooker era, but like in your initial. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:13.040 Era and initially Mississippi. Fred mcdoll and I got to 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.800 be very very close. He's one of my favorite of 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:17.880 the Delta blues men and one of the only ones 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.760 that was alive that I had access to, and we 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:24.440 just clicked as I later in the nineties when I 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:26.760 got to know him better and played a lot of 0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:28.960 shows together and did a duet, Johnley Hooker and I 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.640 became really close, as did Ruth Brown and Charles Brown 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:34.520 and I in the middle of the nineties, we all 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:38.240 toured a lot together, but early on Fred mcdollan and 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:42.400 Sippy Wallace and I toured together. Sippy came out of 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.040 retirement in nineteen seventy two at the Annarbor Blues and 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.880 Jazz Festival. I didn't even know she was alive. I 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.640 cut three of her songs before I found out, looking 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.800 to where to send the checks, and she came out 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:55.960 on stage and was only going to do a gospel song, 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.520 but she's she heard us rehearsing Women Be Wise her 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.000 song in the trailer, and she said, oh, maybe I'll 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.560 just had a soprano player come right up to her 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:09.080 ear and she probably had sung it in thirty years 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:10.880 and she said, well, I'll just do that one song, 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:15.200 and then people went ape shit. And then she toured 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.600 for the next fifteen years, including us together. And there's 0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:23.240 a classic David Letterman clip with Sippy Wallace and I 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:26.400 singing Women Be Wise with Doctor John on the keyboards 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:30.080 that you got to check out. It's like nineteen eighty 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:34.920 one maybe or seventy nine, okay, but anyway, Mississippi from McDowall. 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:37.520 He passed away when I was twenty one, like only 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.000 a couple of a couple of years after I started 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.880 being close friends with him and we toured together. It 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.400 was a heartbreaking. I ended up losing a lot of 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:51.120 the older semi grandparent figures in my life that I 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.800 got close to. And you know, I was very close 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.840 to Muddy Waters and he passed away. And thank goodness 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.520 for John Lee and Ruth Brown and Charles Brown who 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:04.160 I got to celebrate and have deep relationships with so 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:05.160 my heroes. 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.280 You know, I got to be friends with There's a 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:08.360 lot of history that you know. 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:09.040 Got Lee. 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.880 Yeah, I was gonna ask your history and your relationship 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.280 with another get tar god, Stevie Rayvaughn. 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.240 Oh my god, I'm gonna have to put lipsic on 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:19.520 for that. 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.200 Get your Would you like to know what was your 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.920 relationship like working with him? What was your guys friendship like? 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.480 We were mutual fans of each other. We got to 0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:33.840 be friends in Austin, Texas when I would come through 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:37.800 and play, you know, one of my favorite hangouts and 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:40.960 places to play where the music in New Orleans and 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:45.080 Minneapolis and Austin, the black and white music scene was 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:48.360 not so segregated. It was really a lot of interplay, 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:50.959 not just in blues, but in all kinds of music. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:51.160 You know. 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:53.120 That's one of the reasons when I met Prince and 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.400 he said, oh, I've always dug your music, you know, 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.120 And I said, well, how did you hear about that? 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.800 And you know, he said, what, you know, how did 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:03.320 you anyway, It's one of those things where the fabulous 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:05.680 Thunderbirds and I did a lot of touring together. But 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.760 I first met them in Texas with the at Anton's 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:11.960 Legendary Blues Club, and the word went out about Stevie 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:15.320 Ray Vaughan, about the Vaughn Brothers, and his first album 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:18.040 came out, and you know, if you're a blues guitarist 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:23.400 and a fan, the word of Stevie Ray got blasted 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:26.480 out into the stratosphere when he played guitar and Let's 1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:29.240 Dance by David Bowie. I mean, that's one of the 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:34.000 baddest ass solos are performances. And then I met him, 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:39.640 I saw him play. We toured together, we were party mates, 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:43.000 and we were sober mates. You know, he got sober 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:46.560 a few months before I did. Not long after our 1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:50.920 tour together, by the way, and I saw him come. 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:52.800 He came out on stage and played the night he 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.080 came out of rehab, and he just he was worried 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:57.040 that he wasn't going to have the same edge, and 1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.240 he played. He burned a hole in the sun that night. 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.080 It was incredible, as Mom was sitting right there on 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:04.440 the side, just going and I said, Okay, that's it. 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.160 That's all bets are off. This guy's on a comet. 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.680 You know, the greatest guitar player in my lifetime that 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:11.360 I've ever heard. 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:18.920 When you're interacting with these with these blues grates, is 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:24.000 it dismaying to them? Number one? Is it dismaying to 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:34.280 them that they're not receiving more support from a black 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:37.880 or fan base? I can. I can. That's sort of 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:41.080 parallel to my situation, where like there was definitely a 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:44.320 period where it's just like, you know, the first seven 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:47.840 years of my career, I was just like, wait, I 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.160 guess the music that we're doing really isn't attracting the 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.400 fan base that looks like I do. And so is 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.720 it mind blowing to them that this, like this white 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:04.880 woman from from California is doing more of the knowledge 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:08.800 than you know then other black people. 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:10.560 But we talk about it. 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:15.760 But my other thing is, and I really wish and 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:19.400 I guess I have to also do the work because 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:22.760 I'll say that the blues is probably the one area 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:28.040 of music that I've really really haven't you know, sunk 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:33.840 my teeth into what is what is the criteria in 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:40.439 your mind for what makes a great blues man? Blues woman, 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:45.000 a blues player, like are you listening for tone? Are 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:47.600 you listening for dexterity? 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.960 Like it just yeah, you know, it's it's that it's 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:54.480 so ineffable. It's really hard to explain because when people 1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:55.880 say to you, you know, I want to send you 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:58.640 on some songs, what are you looking for? I'm going well, 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:01.600 And then people send me identical copies of something to 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:03.120 talk about or I can't make you love me, and 1:03:03.160 --> 1:03:04.640 I go, you know, I already did that. I don't know. 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:08.000 I gotta find something new. And what makes me go 1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:11.760 crazy for the people like liking Lightning Hopkins or Johnley 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:16.760 Hooker's Crawling King Snake Blues or Mississippi Fred McDowell, it's 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:22.720 the soul and the intensity of what is revealed in 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:25.640 their vocal and their body language and their marriage. If 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:29.600 they're a guitar player or a piano player. The it's 1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:32.720 one thing, you know, Memphis Slim was just you can't 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:35.960 separate his body movements from his voice from his piano 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:39.840 plan Fred McDowell, the same thing Johnley Hooker, Oh my god, 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:44.720 you know it's the darkest haunting. I don't want to 1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:48.480 say it's the blues is only about the hurtful things 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:50.920 or the pain that's so deep, because it's. 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:57.600 So that like one of the reasons black people might 1:03:57.640 --> 1:03:59.400 not be just running to it is because we've been 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:00.600 going through it and we made it. 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:03.680 I was going to say that it's too much of 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:05.800 a minder for me personally, but. 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:09.440 Yeah, but I mean it's it's the way that it 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:12.200 came up when and when I started out was what 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:15.160 right do you have to sing the blues? You're a 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:19.160 white girl from California, daughter of a Broadway singer. For 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:20.200 God's sake, how come you? 1:04:20.400 --> 1:04:20.560 You know? 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.440 I said, you know, I didn't even think about it. 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:24.720 I just liked the music and I needed to teach 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:27.120 myself how to play it to entertain myself in my room. 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:29.840 I didn't ask to this. I didn't say I was great. 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:31.760 I didn't say I had the right to do this. 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:33.600 If you don't like the way I sing it, don't 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:35.920 come to my gig, you know. But I'm not trying 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:39.880 to be black. I'm not trying to usurp income. If anything, 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:43.000 I was, I was made to be on the earth 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:48.200 to showcase why artists of that generation never got royalties 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:51.080 and why they rhythm and blues pioneers that line our 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:55.520 record shelves never saw a penny because they're still in 1:04:55.640 --> 1:05:00.320 these oppressive, exploitive record contracts that they I didn't know 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:04.600 any better, didn't have access to legal fee, lawyers advices. 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:06.680 They just were not cutting people in more than two 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.120 percent of royalties, and out of that they had to 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:13.440 pay for everything. So, you know, in the early days 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:16.760 when people would say, I would go up and ask 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.560 Sippy and Fred and Muddy like, how do you feel 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.959 when they look out there and see all those white people? 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:25.280 And he goes, you know, I wasn't expecting to be 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:28.280 invited to go to England or to go to invite 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:31.080 it to the Newport Folk Festival. I didn't expect for 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:33.280 CBS to offer me a record deal, you know, for 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:35.760 Sunhouse and all this. A lot of these people were 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.520 retired for twenty five years and they were rediscovered by 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:42.640 young white blues fans and they they were delighted. He said, 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:46.520 I love playing these colleges. All these girls like laying 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:49.200 on my feet in the hotel room afterwards when I'm 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:52.040 playing the blues all night long, and these guys are 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:54.560 they're you know, treated me like I'm the second coming, 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:56.040 you know, he said, you know what it's like to 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.200 be ignored for all those years and not get to play, 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:04.200 and then be celebrated and appreciated. He said, I don't 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:06.400 care what color they are. I'm just glad they dig it, 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.920 you know. But Muddy didn't have a problem with Stevie 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:13.200 Ray or Liel George or Mike Bloomfield or me or anybody. 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:16.520 If if somebody could play, they that's the thing. If 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:19.640 you could sing and play and impress them, they were in. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:23.080 You were in that club, you better play. 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:32.840 So without without me being really controversial with this next question, good, 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:36.880 good problem here you go, No, no, no, no, because 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:38.680 this is I think this is my one chance to 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:44.600 ask this question. Okay, so back in nineteen ninety ninety one, 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:48.360 when you know, my mind is getting more open to 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:52.800 all types of music or whatever. So a guy like 1:06:53.000 --> 1:07:00.440 me will buy a copy of Physical Graffiti buys Zeppelin, 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:07.040 and you know, and I think when you're a teenager, 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:11.600 like between twelve and twenty two, your mind is just 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.240 open to everything, especially if your music fan. Like if 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:17.560 you look at my record collection from twelve to twenty two, 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:22.440 it'd be somewhere between the Ohio players and Debbie Gibson 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:28.320 and no, but just like Lightning Hopkins, like I was 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:32.920 just open to everything. So my oh yes, exactly. So 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:38.880 my whole thing is, you know, I I can't divorce 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:43.520 myself from really being in love with like Jimmy Page's 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.600 guitar work on the Zeppelin records. And it's only when 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:49.600 I got older when I started like going back and 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:52.520 reading old reviews, like of course we're revisioning his history, 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.240 like Rolling Stone will say, you know, Rolling Stones will 1:07:55.280 --> 1:08:00.240 do complete issues dedicated to Zeppelin, but back then, just 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:04.040 how much of a like this is fraud? Like in 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:07.280 the same way where hip hop heads might call out 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:11.800 an MC who isn't really of the ilk of the 1:08:11.880 --> 1:08:17.240 culture that you know got more success and whatnot, you know, 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:23.639 got so. But the thing is is that even now 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:27.000 when I still listen to Zeppelin, like I can't and 1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:29.720 there's still older cats are just like, man, fuck that shit, 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:32.760 that's fake blues like listening to the real shit. But 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:38.320 it's like, am I wrong in thinking that? And I'm 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.439 using like in My Time of Dying as an example 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:45.880 where they're doing like Bottleneck Blue Slides and all those things. Yeah, 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:50.800 like is where critics just hard and guarding the gate 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.720 or was that a problem with a lot of the 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:58.719 English blues guys. And I'm talking about Clapton, I'm talking 1:08:58.760 --> 1:09:04.080 about age, Like, what are your feelings on those like on? 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:08.320 You know, Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton and Keith Richards 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:11.560 are just I mean, when people fall in love with 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:15.439 music and they adopt a style that's not comes from 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:19.439 where they grew up. Somehow, the whole culture got the 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:24.320 blues somewhere in the mid sixties, we all got discovered 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:28.400 and everybody was just nuts for it. And so it's 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:33.519 a question of what you do with that appropriate you know, 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:37.519 it could be appropriation or it could be just absolute passion. 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:39.519 But I think it's a good idea to try to 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:42.879 give it back and share the stage and pay props 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:46.480 to the people that originated the music. In your interviews 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:49.560 and in your songwriting credits, you don't take credit for 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:54.439 a song that Willie Dixon wrote only settled thirty years later. 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:58.240 So you know, there's just basic shit like don't steal 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:01.840 people's stuff. You know, I'm not saying I'm not saying 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:04.519 they did. I'm just saying I'm okay. So, but I'm 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:07.040 just saying how did I feel about the do I did? 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:07.920 I like the way they. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.439 Played, like his musicianship, like and when you're. 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:16.000 Jimmy Page is unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, no, and Eric 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:19.800 clapped in unbelievable Stevie way, Jimmy Hendrix. You know I didn't. 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.040 I didn't look at it as colors. I didn't look 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:25.160 at his gender. I just went this guy's a badass, 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.920 you know that kind of thing. So, but in terms 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:32.840 of the debt that white artists, oh black artists, these 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.280 music they are making money from, you better start sharing. 1:10:36.439 --> 1:10:39.320 You take a knee financially as well. 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:44.080 Right, But you created that always, Yeah, I just always 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:48.120 wanted to know, like, were they authentic in their presentation? 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:51.679 In addition to I think. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:55.639 They I think they built on they built something completely different, 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:59.360 you know, like when the Stones do you Gotta Move? 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:01.639 I mean they're not doing it exactly. They can't sound 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:06.360 exactly like some older guy. But you just do the interpretation. 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:10.720 And if you don't like hearing, you know, it's just 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:13.080 up to the listener whether they think it's authentic, if 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:15.240 it moves you or not, if they mean it. I 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.320 think that's got it's got a valid, a valid reason 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:21.800 to to exist. And you know, brilliance is brilliance no 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:26.519 matter what genre comes stems out of you know, So 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.000 I may not be I may not be answering that 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:30.040 breat no. 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:32.439 No, no, I get it. I got to get it. 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:37.800 So okay, as many people know what the show, I 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:42.240 bleed Purple. And you know, one of the very first 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:44.559 times that I've heard about you in my teen years 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:48.920 was when Prince was going to sign you to Paisley Park. 1:11:50.479 --> 1:11:52.880 And I've heard those demos, I've heard I need a man. 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:56.160 I've heard at least four or five of the songs 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.519 he was going to submit to you. Can you talk 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:01.560 about that? What was what was that whole period like 1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:04.400 when you were about to sign the Paisley Park. 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:05.600 Well, it. 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:09.599 It never got that far. I mean I had been 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:11.720 dropped by Warners right when I was getting ready to 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:14.040 go on tour with Stevie Ray Vaughan, and you know, 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.720 we had six months of band and crew work and 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:19.320 I had to pull out because without any promotion or 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:21.240 any album to sell, we just weren't going to be 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:23.080 able to promoter didn't want to take an act that 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:25.880 didn't have support from a record company. So he pulled 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:28.800 the rug out of me and twenty five people, and 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:31.280 I had to go on tour just as a duo 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.519 with a bass player and try to make a living 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:36.840 and pay my bills. But everybody else was out of work, 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:40.519 and we were normally touring all the time. We didn't 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.519 sell records. We just made our living touring. So somewhere 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:45.960 in a couple of years in Prince called and said, man, 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:48.479 you got a raw deal. Why don't you come on 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:52.000 over to Paisley Park and warners will have to take 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:55.439 a little lesson on how to treat somebody. So we 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.960 talked about it. I said, I don't want to go 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:01.040 do a whole prints record, and I know you don't 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:04.080 want to come over in my wheelhouse. So if we 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:06.560 can really meet in the middle and come up with 1:13:06.680 --> 1:13:11.679 something that's equally mine in yours, that would be great. 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:14.400 And you know, we had some couple of wonderful evenings 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:18.560 together playing music and watching slicestone and staple singers and 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:21.200 screens that were the size of the wall, you know, 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:22.880 And I got to go in his closet and see 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:25.599 his clothes and see just you know, it was really 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:27.400 fun to get to know each other and we had 1:13:27.400 --> 1:13:30.080 a lot of music that we loved in common, and 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:35.280 so I had a solo acoustic, a duo gig and 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:39.160 Colorado playing ballrooms and ski resorts, which I could make 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:40.840 good money because I didn't have to pay for the band, 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:43.040 so my fans got to see me up close and 1:13:43.120 --> 1:13:46.400 do acoustic versions of my songs. So I was doing 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:48.479 really well. But I went on a ski. It took 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:52.639 a ski lesson and fell on the skis and broke 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:56.719 my landed on my thumb with my weight of my body, 1:13:56.800 --> 1:14:00.360 and I pulled my thumb off ligament and I could play. 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:02.920 So I called Prince and said we got a postpone it. 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:05.120 But you know what I did. It turned out to 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:08.719 be a blessing in disguise. And because I was heavy 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:11.320 and I wanted to I said, Man, if this works out, 1:14:11.360 --> 1:14:13.600 I got to make a video with this guy. And 1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:16.600 I'm like thirty forty pounds overweight, and I'm going to 1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:20.080 take this opportunity while I got this cast on to 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:22.960 go to get to the musicians meeting and hang out 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:24.640 with my old buddies that I used to party with, 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:26.880 but just be sober with them and I'll, you know, 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:28.880 ride my bike and lose some weight and by the 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:30.960 time I see Prince, I'll be ready to be filmed, 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:34.879 or at least more ready. So that was a blessing. 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:37.240 And then I went to Minneapolis and he had already 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:41.799 cut the songs and you know, did all the tracks 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:44.200 but in the wrong key, so they weren't in my key, 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:47.120 and there wasn't any place for me to add any 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.200 musical ideas except just to play some slide on a 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:53.280 couple of things right. But there was one of the 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:56.360 sets of lyrics with something I would never You know, honey, 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:58.280 you can mess around all over town, but we're still 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:00.719 cool because there's something I like about be in your fool, 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.120 But you know, I need a a n real man. 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:12.519 I mean, it was funky ass Minia. I mean, you know, 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.639 he's just We could have done some really cool stuff together. 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:17.960 And he went off on tour in the summer. We 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:21.560 made plans. I canceled my tour with my band and 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:24.400 went to called my brother in Minneapolis. I said I'm 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:28.120 on my way, and he said for what. Prince extended 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:30.880 his tour and never called me. So I put my 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:33.040 guys out of work to make the record with him, 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:36.599 and he never called me. And just stayed over in Europe. 1:15:36.720 --> 1:15:40.280 So it was not it was not a happy ending, 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:45.160 but still great artists, great artist did a lot of 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:47.240 wonderful things for women guitar players. 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:49.960 Honnie, when did you pick up the slide? When did 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.360 that become a thing in your arsenal? I have a theory. 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:55.519 You were talking about matching guitars with voices. I feel 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:59.880 like for some in some way the side stunk your voice. 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:03.040 Yeah, that's thank you. That's how I feel about it. 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:06.400 And I like the tone that I pick is because 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:11.720 it's how I hear. It picks up where I leave off. 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:14.120 You know, so I and Lowell George from Little Feet 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:15.720 is the one who gave me a compressor so I 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:19.040 could hang the note longer because I asked him, I said, 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:22.320 how are you holding that note? Because Fred mcdalla shouldn't 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:24.519 do that? And you know Ry Coooter and Lowell George 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:26.679 are the masters. And then now we got Derek Truck. 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:31.240 So just but anyway, I heard I heard slide guitar 1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:33.320 when I was about fourteen, when I got some country 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:37.599 blues records and I taught myself to play. I tuned 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:40.360 to an open tuning and I soaked the label off 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:42.920 a chorus seat and cold bottle, and I put on 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:45.719 my middle finger and I just I played. I didn't 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:48.439 have any lessons, but I hadn't seen anybody do it, 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:51.680 but I imagined it was like my grandpa had a 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:54.040 lap steel that he'd played hymns on where he drew 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:57.920 the bar across the neck of the guitar. So I 1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:00.960 just pretended that that was it and just listened to 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:04.080 that record and went quite and I taught myself to 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:07.160 play from those records and then just honed it down. 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:07.479 You know. 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:10.519 Eventually I had to go to electric because a lot 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:12.559 of the keys of the blues that I like are 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:17.120 my voice is five keys up and if I put 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:19.080 the KPO halfway up the neck, I can't get the 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:21.240 octave without on a longer neck. So that's why I 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:21.919 went electric. 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:28.680 You of course, Uh, well, I'm safer end of the 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:32.160 show because he hasn't done a show yet. But Steve 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:36.000 and I worked with our with our good friend Don 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.080 was could you talk about the relationship with Don and. 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:43.439 Hal Willner blessed rest in Peace the Great? 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.679 Yeah? Yeah. 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:49.720 He called Don up and said I would love to 1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:53.240 have you and Bonnie rates saying baby mine from Dumbo 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:56.800 for this Disney tribute I'm doing, and he called me 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.320 and said the same thing. He said, I don't know. Meanwhile, 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:03.040 I'm like a complete was not was Hound, you know 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:06.599 that's right. That is my jam. Those guys, those lyrics 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:11.599 with that singer, those singers and the music. I went 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:15.320 nuts for them, and so on the session it went 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:18.479 so beautifully. It's one of my favorite tracks I've ever cut, 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:24.240 This beautiful Disney tribute Little One Close. Ah. We did 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:34.320 like a baby oh mine, you know right now? 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:39.840 That did it too? 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:43.920 Oh, thank you. I never thought Don would turn out. 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.360 He was a big fan of my early records, and 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:48.559 he couldn't believe that I was a fan. I could 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:51.120 like quote every Dad I'm in jail, you know, I 1:18:51.200 --> 1:18:53.200 could quote all these was not was songs. 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:54.120 So we were. 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:57.400 It was a love affair, you know, and we just 1:18:57.640 --> 1:19:01.200 he came to my acoustic show outside of l We 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:02.960 were playing this club called the Coach House, and I 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:05.880 think he came to that and he saw me just 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.280 playing my stuff with just in the guitar like I 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.519 did the first four years of my career before I 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.679 could afford a band, and he said, you know, let's 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.280 make and I said, would you want to do a 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:17.360 record together, and he said, yeah, but I want to 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.400 do a record where let's base it on if you 1:19:20.479 --> 1:19:22.759 could sing the song on the guitar or the piano 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:26.000 and make me know that it's a Bonnie Ray song, 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:29.640 then forget that, forget the who's in the band, just 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:32.760 start with what you Let's pick the songs that work, 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:35.960 just by yourself. Even though we used a band, that's 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:37.680 how we made Nick of time. We didn't have a 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:42.160 big budget. And I suggested my drummer, Rookie Fetar and 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:47.120 you know Hutch Hutchinson, and we had benmont Tench, and 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:49.800 we had Mark Goldenberg and you know, we just had 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:54.000 a stellar group of players, including Randy Jacobs. But he 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.360 might have been unlucky the draw from what was not 1:19:56.640 --> 1:20:00.400 was So I told him he didn't know about Ed Journey, 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.599 and I said, man, there's this engineer that does ry 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:07.040 Cooter and David Linley lreo X Records. We got to 1:20:07.080 --> 1:20:09.160 see if he would do this, because you know he 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:11.640 did get Rhythm by Rykooter. That album is one of 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:15.960 my favorites. And so we met ed and the three 1:20:16.000 --> 1:20:17.560 of us just hit it off and we went in 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:21.120 the studio together and we just we love each other. 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:23.719 It showed up in the music. 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:25.160 It show did I was just thinking that. 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:31.200 In making that record for you, the temptation to go 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:35.920 to your sweet spot, which is the authentic blues, that 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:40.720 the that authentic raw sound. At any point did you 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:45.599 were you nervous about kind of And I'm not saying 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:50.160 cleaning it up as in, you know, compromise, but there's 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:56.280 definitely a noticeable sonic difference in that record and your 1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:01.880 previous albums, So the like, what can you from hitting 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:03.200 your upper limit in. 1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:05.160 Terms of oh, I see what you're saying. 1:21:05.560 --> 1:21:07.800 What what like you know, like this is too clean? 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:09.160 Like this not bluesy enough. 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:11.960 Well, I mean I don't do only blue songs, so 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:14.960 you know, I always have a there's a Jackson Brown 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:18.240 and Eric cat Love has No Pride and Angel from Montgomery. 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:21.360 I mean, there's there's a breadth of R and B 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:24.360 and rock and roll like n RBQ songs and you know, 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:28.519 fabulous Thunderbirds and Chuck Berry kind of thing, and then 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:32.559 there's funk tunes and there's a lot of the ballads 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.800 are very stripped down, you know, the ones that I 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:39.320 did on the Glow, and almost every record has some 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:41.920 kind of heartbreak song that's stripped down to just guitar, 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:46.280 piano and bass. And so for me that the way 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:49.160 we approached Nick of Time wasn't that different than some 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.040 of the other records that I've done. And it's just 1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:55.200 song driven, you know, whatever the song needs. And in 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:59.320 terms of the sound of it, that's ed Cherney is 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:03.000 really know, he knows we want to really organic sound 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:04.920 and you get the right players and I don't know 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:07.400 if it works for you guys, but if you get 1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:09.280 the right song and the right players in the room, 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:10.960 and you get an engineer that knows where to put 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:14.160 the mics and which mics to use on which instruments, 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:15.880 and you just let it happen. 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:16.120 You know. 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:18.920 You don't rehearse, you don't open the oven door and 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:22.240 try to mine, you know, you just set the stage 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:22.800 and let it go. 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:23.240 You know. 1:22:23.320 --> 1:22:26.519 That's how That's how I'd been making records for since 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:30.439 the green Light album and later the you know, earlier 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:32.719 the Glow, I did a record with Peter Asher, who's 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.240 known to be, you know, a pretty slick producer. But 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:37.360 I just said I want to do everything live, so 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:41.760 anyway that I didn't. I mean the bluesy thing. The 1:22:41.840 --> 1:22:44.960 only blues song on that record is the Road's My 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:46.439 middle Name. And I wanted to do that with the 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.960 fabulous Underbirds in Texas, so we went down there and 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:54.280 did that. But that Jerry Williams song, real man, man, 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:56.800 that's just that's right, and that's that's my I could 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:58.559 have done that song at any point in my career. 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:01.560 And similarly with thought Ain't Gonna Let You Break My 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:05.639 Heart Again? With Herbie. Oh, you know, we just got 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:08.640 really lucky with both those lucky the drawing nick of 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:12.519 time and you know, the subsequent records. We great songs, 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:16.559 great players, and I find the songs and bring them 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:20.080 and I and we had the terrific core band, So 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:22.760 I don't want to I gotta pay props. People don't 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.599 pay enough props to the band because that's what those 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:27.559 That's why that music is so special too. 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.720 So how does your how did your life change like 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:33.559 to take us through, you know, from going just from 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:35.640 you know, all those years going from Warner and just 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:37.880 going through that journey to finally getting paid dirt? 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:39.000 What does that mean? 1:23:39.200 --> 1:23:43.080 Right? Well, I got a lot less free time, because 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:46.000 when when you're a political activist that use your your 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:50.320 voice and your money and ability to fundraise. When I 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:53.479 didn't mean so much, I didn't get so many tribes 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:58.880 calling me for Native American justice benefits and planned. You know, 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:01.240 when I when I was a bigger deal, I could 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:04.040 when I go on I'd got invited on the Tonight Show, 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:07.240 and I got invited on Good Morning America, and I 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.280 could we had just formed the Rhythm and Blues Foundation 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:13.160 in nineteen eighty eight, and I could go on every 1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:15.960 TV show and talk about how those artists that we 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.960 owe everything too never got paid, and let's make a 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:22.160 donation and do the benefit for you know, health, get 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:24.680 some health insurance for some of these icons that we 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:27.080 all love so much. And I make my living doing 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:31.360 the songs of so Anyway, the biggest difference was lifestyle. 1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:33.800 You know, I could have some financial security, I could 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:37.519 move up to Northern California, I could pay my band better. 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:41.559 I could really raise money and attention for the causes 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:45.679 that I love. But I got really busy and in demand. 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:49.760 And that's sometimes I look back at being more care 1:24:49.920 --> 1:24:51.760 free when I was less of a big deal, and 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:55.439 I wish sometimes I could go back to that that 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:58.080 easier time, but it's not. I don't spend a lot 1:24:58.080 --> 1:24:59.080 of time looking back. 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:07.840 At the highlight what was like the highest of highs 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:10.160 in terms of well, I mean, I would imagine that 1:25:11.040 --> 1:25:14.920 being a critical favorite and a favorite of the industry, 1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:20.200 that you pretty much met your peers, But just like, 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:24.320 was there someone that you finally got to work with 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:28.640 or at least become friends with that you're otherwise pre 1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:33.960 nineteen eighty nine life couldn't imagine, you know, were you 1:25:34.240 --> 1:25:36.760 Oh that's a good thing, buddies, or you know, I'm 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:37.839 playing like yeah. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:40.000 Yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. Well, I was 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:42.560 blessed with being respected by so many musicians that I 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:44.360 wanted to work with it. I really did. If you 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:47.080 look at my guest discography, you know, there's like a 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:50.040 lot of people who I wished I could have signed 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:53.320 with that I you know, Willie Nelson and all kinds 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:55.479 of blues artists and R and B artists. So I 1:25:55.600 --> 1:25:58.120 did get to record with a lot of people already 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:02.280 be even before that, but afterwards making a record with 1:26:02.439 --> 1:26:04.719 my dad and getting them a record deal on Angel 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:06.800 Records in the middle of the nineties and singing Hey 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:10.200 there with a forty two piece orchestra. That was some heavy, 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:13.280 beautiful stuff because I you know, here I am helping 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:16.920 Ruth Brown and Charles Brown, and I would say that 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:21.439 singing Merry Christmas Baby with Charles Brown and we got 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:23.519 to move to the outskirts of town with Ruth Brown 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:26.800 two of the great highlights of my life. To be 1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:30.519 able to showcase and take on the road Ruth Brown 1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:34.040 and Charles Brown. Put them in hotels they deserve to 1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:36.080 stay in the whole time, give them a tour bus 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:39.200 that they couldn't even believe they were in. And at 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:40.920 that point in their life. For me to be able 1:26:40.960 --> 1:26:42.920 to turn around and do something for some people that 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:45.559 mean so much to me, that was the high point 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:48.960 of that success. And singing with my dad and Ruth 1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:53.240 and Charles and okay, John Lee, you can It's just 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:56.240 it was deep. It was deep and still deep. And Tuts, 1:26:56.640 --> 1:27:00.720 Oh my god, the house. 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:03.960 That's right, You're part of the other. How won the project? Right? 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:08.120 How's always putting weird albums together? Yeah? 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:10.360 Well I had. I had cut True Love Is Hard 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:15.559 to Find on nine Lives in eighty five, Yeah, eighty six, 1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:18.120 and then Tuts and I did it and then and 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.160 you want to gram me on that album Reggae, you know, 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:23.400 True Love, which is all duets, you know, to have 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:28.559 John Prine and Toots Gone, I mean, and how yeah. 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:31.360 I wrote a song on my new album called Living 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:35.679 for the Ones who didn't make it. It's all about that, honey. 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:37.320 What is your dad? I want to ask you this 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:38.720 earlier on is your dad and your mom? 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:38.840 Like? 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:42.080 What did they think about where your music went? Since 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:44.320 he came from them? You know what I mean? 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:47.080 You know when I started doing I'm Built for Comfort 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.200 and Not for Speed, you know Willie Dipson song that 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.120 Wolf did, and they were they were in the audience 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.920 at the Second Fret, you know, in Philadelphia off a 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.040 Rittenhouse Square, and they came to my first gig and 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:58.880 I wasn't going to do Spider in the Fly by 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:03.360 the Rolling Stones, but I ended up singing built built 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:05.880 for Comfort, not for speed, just me and acoustic guitar 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:09.040 and a bass. I think that embarrassed my dad a 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:11.960 little bit. So I think here's how they felt. They 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:16.120 were delighted that the world thought I was talented. They 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:19.120 were dismayed I didn't finish college, but then they could 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:23.600 tell that it was I got lucky and that the 1:28:23.720 --> 1:28:26.840 lifestyle I was living, partying a lot. And I don't 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:28.439 think they I don't think they dug that too much. 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:30.240 So my dad always said, if you want to sing 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:34.000 better and not worry about losing your voice or catching 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:36.320 colds on the road, just take a little bit better 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:39.479 care of yourself. And they were really happy when I 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:42.960 quit trashing myself, which wasn't all the time, but after 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:46.640 the shows, you know, right, yeah, after the shows. I 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:48.360 never let anything get in the way of my show 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:50.519 because I didn't sell records, so I you. 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.439 Know, that show was everything. 1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:55.519 I had to be really good every damn show. And 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:57.840 that's what my dad taught me. Every night is opening night. 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:01.080 And why it should be mentioned didn't graduate. You did 1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:04.479 go to some really amazing colleges, right. 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:07.479 So I did go to Harvard for a couple of years. 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:10.560 But man, this college of Johnny Hooker and being on 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:13.960 the road with Mississippi Fred McDowall was a better college 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:18.120 than any you know, And and I yeah, and I 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:23.560 wish and they all wish that Blues was not a 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:27.000 bad experience for most black people. They would have been 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:30.120 great if their grand niece and grandchildren wanted to go 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:33.080 into it. You know what I mean, it's an institutional 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:37.560 racism that in the community where blues people should be 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:41.160 on stamps and taught in the schools, and blues artists 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:45.639 should be revered and paid and treated like that jazz 1:29:46.040 --> 1:29:47.840 is treated in Europe, you know what I mean. It 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:50.560 should we should just be lifting up roots music of 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:55.000 all kinds, not just blues, and the people who it 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.880 should be taught so that little kids can really appreciate 1:29:58.080 --> 1:30:01.439 their own heritage and you know, and dig BB King 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:03.880 and actually go see him, you know. So you have 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.040 to be just being me and Eric Clapton talking about 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:06.639 BB King. 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.120 Now you want to add more to the curriculum the 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:10.720 critical race theory, no, no boon? 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:17.280 Yeah yeah, okay. A question always wanted to know in 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:22.280 your post nineteen ninety one life. Is there any concert 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:27.479 that you've ever given in which your fan base is 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:31.840 fine if you don't do I can't make you love me? Oh, 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:35.360 He's always wanted to know. With signature songs, you know, 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:37.960 there's a point where Nirvana just stopped doing smells like 1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:43.240 teen Spirit, and sometimes artists will shy away from doing 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:47.680 their signature song all the time. But for you, how 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:49.680 do you feel about that song of all of. 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:53.080 Your Oh, I would not do a show without Angel 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.000 from Montgomery or I Can't Make You Love Me because 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.080 those people, a lot of them haven't seen me in 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:57.960 a long time. 1:30:58.880 --> 1:30:59.000 You know. 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:02.439 Some people didn't see me last time through, and maybe 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:04.360 they haven't seen me in six or seven years, and 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:06.600 they love that song. And so I got to do 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:09.200 it for the people that you know, and I try to. 1:31:09.360 --> 1:31:12.880 I try to be as real and new every single night, 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.400 every song. I don't ever post. 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:19.000 You have to, Yeah, you have to. It's the opening 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:20.600 night every night. Yeah, someone is I mean. 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:24.479 And I remember I remember being on both sides of 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:26.600 that I can't make you Love me, I haven't it, 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.160 you know where somebody said I had to tell them 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:34.479 I didn't love him that way anymore, and and they 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:37.760 and they said, could you just could you still stay 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:41.960 through Christmas? Oh man, that was some you know what 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:44.360 past the piece and you're looking at the person's mom 1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:49.800 and you just you just you just broke their heart. 1:31:49.880 --> 1:31:51.920 And then I've been on the side where my heart 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:53.840 was broken, where someone said, you know, I love you, 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:56.080 but not that way anymore. It's just not working out, 1:31:56.200 --> 1:32:00.840 you know, somebody that can stay home and cook for me, right, 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:03.040 you know, we can't even talk about that song. 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:05.920 Like literally, I was sitting in my living room with 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:08.120 my seventy one year old mother her seven year old friend, 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.560 and we were talking about your music, and she was 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:13.560 like that one song. She's like, don't I'm about to 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.760 go it is and bring a tear song? Do you 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:18.320 know this is the blue I do? 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:21.640 And I know how many men cry when they hear 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:25.280 that song because I get the letters saying I've never 1:32:25.400 --> 1:32:27.920 seen my husband cry. And when I turned and looked 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:30.760 at him and there were tears, you know that, she 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:33.559 said it repaired a whole lot of hurt that we had. 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.160 Ya, I mean, I mean it makes sense. It makes sense. 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:39.760 And you know who wrote that song is a guy 1:32:39.800 --> 1:32:42.760 who used to be in the Cincinnati Bengals. What was 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:48.000 a professional so what that was written by? Mike Read 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:54.280 was a Cincinnati Bengal and Alan Shamblin wrote the words. 1:32:54.360 --> 1:32:58.240 And those two guys and and Mike Read wrote a 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:00.640 song on nick of Time called too Soon Toll but 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:04.680 no of course, because he wrote I can't make you 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:09.920 love me too? And he's like this big bear of 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:12.320 a guy. Oh, I love it, and he writes this 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:15.639 and he has a voice break your heart like Michael McDonald. 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:21.880 I know, Michael McDonald, excuse me. I'm right with you, Leah. 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:28.559 I'll tell you that I love even though I love, 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:30.880 I can't make you love me for me too soon 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.200 to tell is my favorite song of yours. 1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:34.439 Thank you. 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:38.280 I love that song. And wait till you way do 1:33:38.560 --> 1:33:40.640 you got to call Mike Read and tell him how 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:42.000 much you love those songs? 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:45.680 He now knows it because we just said it. That 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:50.000 that that is mind That is mind blowing to me. 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:53.679 I mean it's yeah, because you know, six foot four 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:57.360 football player does not normally sit down and write. But 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:58.320 then look at Hornsby. 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:01.519 You know what I'm saying, Yeah, big people have heart. 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:06.640 I'm saying. 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:16.160 A big club, Bill, get out of here. I thought 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:17.000 Bill was trying to say. 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:20.680 I'm saying like he's like, my guys, you guys, I 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:22.640 should just I'm just gonna sit back and let you 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:25.799 guys clown because this is too good terrible. 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:27.200 Are you all? 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:29.000 Are you all in the same city? 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:34.760 No, some people are like three people are I'm in 1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:37.759 New York right now, I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina. 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:45.080 Oh, I love Carolina Park. Yes, I'm in the Park. 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:48.920 I'm gonna wrap this up surdly, but I definitely have 1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:52.360 to ask, how did you feel when you got inducted? 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:55.679 It's like, how do you think she felt? A mirror? 1:34:56.160 --> 1:35:01.479 But how did for you to be inducted in the 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:02.479 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 1:35:03.520 --> 1:35:06.360 It was outrageous, And you know, I don't know if 1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:08.360 I really deserve to be in, but I knew that 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.640 I had lasted a long enough time to qualify and 1:35:10.720 --> 1:35:14.040 they didn't have enough women yet. And as a woman 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:18.560 lead guitar player, as a champion of unpaid royalties and 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.639 debts to artists that didn't get their props, it just thought, 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:26.120 why that damn museum is there? And the organization so 1:35:26.280 --> 1:35:29.759 a role model for activism and guitar play and leading 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:33.200 a band. I'll take it because I want to inspire 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:38.679 the next generations of women musicians and activists and righteous 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:42.080 people trying to get that royalty reform and get the 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:45.200 songwriters paid by the streaming service directly and not go 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:48.040 through the record labels. Come on, I mean, there's all 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.000 these people that wrote the songs that I made my 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:54.400 career on that haven't seen a penny from all those streams, 1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:57.439 so you know, I'm not going to shut up about it. 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:01.799 So anyway, I was happy to be in there because 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:04.560 I didn't read a lot of negative press about she 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:07.080 doesn't deserve it, So that was I was worried about that. 1:36:07.280 --> 1:36:09.719 And you know, we all get worried about social media 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:11.960 because my feelings get hurt. So I don't look at 1:36:12.479 --> 1:36:14.240 I don't look at a lot of the responses in 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:16.719 case people saying I wish you'd just shut up about 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:19.040 Native Americans, you know, pipelines, you. 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.080 Know, listen. Meanwhile, I was about to ask you what 1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:22.760 causes are closest to your heart? Right now? 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:28.760 We need to know election protection, okay, okay, okay, Democracy 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.240 is a good one. Democracy is nice when that works. 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:37.400 So election protection, the climate climate you know, fiasco, and 1:36:37.760 --> 1:36:41.800 and the fact that food and access to health care 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:46.120 and education, the inequities and income and opportunity are just 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:48.200 number one. You know, we just got to get there's 1:36:48.360 --> 1:36:52.800 just too many justice, equal pay for everybody, but you know, 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:55.960 the health care system what you name it, but food 1:36:56.080 --> 1:37:01.720 equity and health care equity and education equal a equal opportunity. 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:08.040 Climate change, but man, the democratic hijacking of democracy in 1:37:08.120 --> 1:37:10.640 this country by the right wing is just you know, 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.640 we got fascism on our door right here, you know, 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:17.280 knowing kids yourself did that. We got to get everybody 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:19.200 out to the polls Purple. 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:20.040 That's where we live. 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:25.640 It is it is weird that just the basic, just 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:32.400 basic human needs are now seen as justice causes. It's crazy. 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:34.760 It is crazy for you. 1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:40.920 For you now, is there anything in your career that 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:45.000 you have yet to bucket list that you you wish 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:48.160 to to achieve? 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:51.640 Oh, I've never been asked that. 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:56.200 I love your passive aggressive way. I'm here of asking you. 1:37:56.520 --> 1:38:01.240 At with Bonnie Rae, we did. 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:02.920 Get to play They backed me up on Used to 1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:05.120 Rule the World. It was a badass version too. It 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:12.320 was really great. I would love to work with Keith. 1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:19.519 I would love to. I would really love to re 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:24.960 up the Womad Festival where there is an unbelievable collaborations 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:29.519 of like Paul Brady, Habib Corte from Molly, Paul Brady 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:35.880 from Ireland, Liz Wright, you know, Esperanza, me a Mere 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:40.080 you know reggae guys. I would have put bolts in there, 1:38:40.120 --> 1:38:43.400 but you know what I'm saying, Like a touring womad 1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:48.439 across pollination of fertilization of music, that it doesn't matter 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:51.840 what genre it is. It's just great where we can 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:55.599 hear each other every night. I mean Jackson Brown, Sean Colvin, 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:58.320 Bruce Hornsby and myself with David Linley went on tour 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:03.440 as a supergroup in nineteen ninety. It was just fantastic. 1:39:03.520 --> 1:39:05.120 In the summer, we just had a little window of 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:07.240 time and we all got to sing and play on 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:10.120 each other's songs. And I'd like to do that again. 1:39:10.800 --> 1:39:13.000 I don't know. That was probably too amorphous an answer, 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:16.320 but do you guys know what what womad was. It 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:17.320 was fantastic. 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.800 When you say Keith who what Keith? 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:31.240 Keith Richard's you know, I forgot, I forgot where I was. No, No, 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:33.599 I you know, I was just thinking on the top 1:39:33.600 --> 1:39:35.120 of my head. I said, Keith. But you know, in 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:38.360 my world there's one Keith, but there's more Keith Sweat. 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:40.200 You're right, Keith Urban. 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:43.839 I was thinking Keith Thomas as well, the producer. 1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:47.640 Oh my gosh, thank you for remind give me a 1:39:47.680 --> 1:39:51.160 reality check. No, I mean that guy who together we 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:55.000 will stand there and be weathered together. You know, I 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:57.760 don't know if you. He loves playing the piano and 1:39:57.840 --> 1:40:01.160 singing almost Hogy Carmichael kind of stand and he's really 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:03.200 good and I love the versions of that he does 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:04.840 of those songs. It would be really fun to do 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:06.559 to do something with him. 1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:12.320 Well, we we now know that you have manifest magic, so. 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:15.720 You can make that wal Mad festival. But we have 1:40:15.840 --> 1:40:17.920 to keep COVID under control so we can go across 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:19.200 borders and be safe. 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:23.720 Yeah, I say by May that it'll I'm saying right now, 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:27.920 I am you're manifesting. I'm manifested by May, mainly so 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:29.880 we can get Fante at the house in time for 1:40:29.960 --> 1:40:30.679 the roots picnicking. 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:34.760 Talk about it, and we was all thinking, it's out there, 1:40:34.880 --> 1:40:37.360 it's outside, man, it's outside, it's cool. 1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:41.439 But yeah, yeah, I don't do end of If it's outside, 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:44.120 it's it's cool. Now, I will say this COVID and 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:47.280 no COVID two days don't Yeah, I don't know. I'm cool, 1:40:47.439 --> 1:40:50.360 but not two days two day. Oh No, I've been 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:53.360 having the time my life. By ray, there you go. 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:56.040 There. 1:40:57.000 --> 1:40:59.240 I could go to so many places right now, but 1:40:59.360 --> 1:41:01.120 I just met so I'm not going to go there. 1:41:01.200 --> 1:41:03.720 But in my mind I have got I'm going in 1:41:03.840 --> 1:41:05.320 my mind about what you've been up to. 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:09.720 Ben's been self work, just working on myself. You know. 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:12.320 It gave me time just to slow down. I dropped 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:15.720 like forty pounds and spend more time with my family. Like, yeah, 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:16.679 I'm cooling. 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:19.800 There's been some good stuff about it. For sure. I 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:23.360 made a record surprise, and I'm probably I probably would 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.360 have made a different kind of a record, but you know, 1:41:25.680 --> 1:41:29.360 it's been nice to have. But I missed touring, Oh 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:33.519 my god, I miss playing live. Yeah, And I just 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:37.000 got to say, I tape your show every night and 1:41:37.160 --> 1:41:39.679 watch it the next day, and I love you guys. 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:42.800 I wish I could have a whole separate series of 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:46.120 when you guys play on the you know with Jimmy 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:49.240 the show. I wish we could hear you're playing all 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:52.840 the way through. John Baptiste too, those guys, you do 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:54.759 all that work and those tunes. 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.519 Yeah, absolutely, we had him on the show too. It 1:41:57.600 --> 1:41:58.400 was a really good show. 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:01.080 Yes We're good boy. 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:04.560 That that that video for Freedom and the videos on 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:06.720 his record he was. I mean, I wish to just 1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:09.000 let him dance around for a while and make me happy. 1:42:09.600 --> 1:42:11.960 I hope this is his. I hope this is his 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:13.559 nick of time year for the Grammys. 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:15.080 Wow, I hope so too. 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:16.880 I'm going there nomination, so. 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.960 You know, I know, Okay, No, he's gonna. Oh and 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:22.120 can I just thank you for Summer Soul. 1:42:23.200 --> 1:42:24.920 Oh, thank you, thank you. 1:42:25.040 --> 1:42:26.559 And I know you're gonna this is gonna be your 1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:27.880 nick of time at the Oscar. 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:32.280 Yes, talk about it, come. 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:34.880 Up top now. 1:42:37.080 --> 1:42:38.840 Anyway, thank you very much. 1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:43.920 I just have to ask you, did you have to 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:47.360 tune in with Sly and all those guys that much 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:51.360 in tune on every damn note. You don't have to answer. 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:58.280 Here's the fun I'm so glad you only because you 1:42:58.439 --> 1:43:02.600 asked that question. All right, I'm gonnadmit one cheat that 1:43:02.760 --> 1:43:05.960 I did once. I did only two cheats on the 1:43:06.120 --> 1:43:11.439 on the movie because uh, sing a simple song was 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:17.720 an e. I cheated the intro drone that they did 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:21.880 to that key and the cat because they did it 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:25.439 that the drone was in another key and they went 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:28.479 too then they went to sing a simple song. 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:31.280 But no, no, no, I mean very cool, very cool. 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:35.120 But for the most part, I will say that everything 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:41.360 that you heard was this one from the soundboard in 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:46.280 nineteen sixty nine. Like literally, damn, he did maybe zero 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:51.200 point one percent of mixing, like we we barely touched 1:43:51.479 --> 1:43:52.439 touched the board man. 1:43:53.160 --> 1:43:55.479 Now does that guy does the guy who mixed that 1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:57.920 and recorded that, did he get a little taste? 1:43:58.400 --> 1:44:01.360 Yeah, give the engineer. 1:44:01.560 --> 1:44:07.120 So here you go, my big baby, Yeah. 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:11.519 Gi me, the legendary jim Jimmy Douglas. He did. He 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:15.479 did amazing grace for me, the Franklin like Jimmy Douglass 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:17.840 has been all the timberlands like early stuff. Yeah, like 1:44:17.960 --> 1:44:20.479 he's been for fifty years, like the man. So yes, 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:21.600 he he was my. 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:27.400 Engineer, the original guy, the original origin. 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:32.200 Believe it or not. That was a rough mix, Like, 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:39.720 gives me a rough paycheck. Then dude, he's dead. He 1:44:39.760 --> 1:44:40.160 got well. 1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:42.680 I gotta say that was a really great Yes, he 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:45.479 does have family. That was a great mix. 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:46.439 And thank you. 1:44:46.640 --> 1:44:49.640 Some of the baddest singing live I've ever heard in 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:50.200 my life. 1:44:50.680 --> 1:44:52.400 Thank you, Oh my god. 1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:56.400 We really are so grateful. And when you say there's 1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:57.560 more footage. 1:44:57.240 --> 1:45:02.120 I get, yes, there's more, and we'll I can make 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:06.040 an announcement and like may for after after the oscars, 1:45:06.040 --> 1:45:06.519 I'll make. 1:45:06.479 --> 1:45:09.960 I'm manifesting that right, now now I will take you. 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:11.800 Yes, I will take all your infestations. 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:14.760 Come and see us with We're going to be with 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:16.600 Lucinda in New York, but then we're going to be 1:45:16.680 --> 1:45:18.560 with Mavis on the road, and you'll probably still be 1:45:19.040 --> 1:45:21.600 to be You'll be you'll be having to be in 1:45:21.680 --> 1:45:23.439 New York doing your nightly gig. 1:45:23.960 --> 1:45:26.599 No, I will come to see and to my area. 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:30.439 I will see this because I'm all about flowers. To 1:45:30.760 --> 1:45:33.280 to our to our great. 1:45:33.120 --> 1:45:36.639 Said you want to, oh sake you. I was thinking Mayvis, 1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:39.920 would you know, but I thank you for considering that. 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:43.040 I'm that, I'm all the things that you said the intro. 1:45:43.760 --> 1:45:46.840 I'm really very very very tight. 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:50.240 I do not not anybody gets on the show, you know, 1:45:50.800 --> 1:45:55.120 like we we have to love you. And well Bill 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:56.840 Sherman was our first guest. So there you. 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:04.439 And there you go. And get the new album too. 1:46:04.439 --> 1:46:05.640 I was just gonna mention the new album. I was 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:09.320 playing ahead just like that. Just make sure you go 1:46:09.439 --> 1:46:09.880 get the new. 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:10.479 Bonnie Ray album. 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:11.600 Oh I hope you dig it. 1:46:12.080 --> 1:46:14.960 I do it delivers. I will say this, it delivers. 1:46:15.160 --> 1:46:17.240 It definitely does. I was like, Bonnie has given us 1:46:17.280 --> 1:46:17.720 what we need. 1:46:18.320 --> 1:46:20.519 There's a great soul ballad on there called Blame It 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:23.800 on Me. That's there's a funk tune that I wrote 1:46:23.840 --> 1:46:28.400 that mixes Eddie Harris Lesmacann with the Commodores, So you 1:46:28.520 --> 1:46:30.800 gotta check it out called Waiting for You to Blow. 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:33.240 And I'm really proud of it because I wrote every 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:36.280 little drum part and every keyboard part, every little horn part. 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:38.280 So anyway, blame on me? 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:41.160 Who? What were you? Did you write? Blame it on me? 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:41.479 Is that? 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:41.680 No? 1:46:41.920 --> 1:46:45.120 I didn't. A guy who wrote it sang it on 1:46:45.240 --> 1:46:47.880 the two guys wrote it and sang it on a 1:46:47.920 --> 1:46:50.880 Facebook performance and they sent me the link and I went, 1:46:51.680 --> 1:46:55.639 what wow? Yeah, And you know what's really fun about 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:57.040 this week? And I know we got to go, but 1:46:58.200 --> 1:46:59.920 this is the week as the record comes out and 1:47:00.000 --> 1:47:01.960 the middle of April and the single hits this week, 1:47:02.840 --> 1:47:05.680 I could call because the streaming services are going to 1:47:05.720 --> 1:47:09.320 start listening listing the tracks. So I got to call 1:47:09.479 --> 1:47:13.200 the songwriters that didn't know I cut their song. And 1:47:13.600 --> 1:47:16.960 I've chad since last June. I knew I was gonna 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:18.880 Did I cut it right? So I had to sit 1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:21.960 on it and I got to make that call on Hi, 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:24.720 It's Bonnie I know, you know, we don't know each other, 1:47:24.840 --> 1:47:26.800 but I really loved that song that I heard back 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:29.439 in nineteen, you know, two thousand and nine, and I 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:32.160 ended up cutting it, and this guy's just flipping out. 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:37.480 Man, that's life changing, that billy. 1:47:39.120 --> 1:47:42.080 Now, Bonnie, I just want to say, I just you know, 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:45.960 I just remember I just got up on your early 1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:49.479 ketog maybe probably like ten years ago. And you know 1:47:49.560 --> 1:47:51.720 it was a good buddy, a guitar player friend of mine, 1:47:51.800 --> 1:47:54.120 Chris Berner. He put me up on like your early 1:47:54.200 --> 1:47:57.160 records and just for me, just a part of my childhood. 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:00.439 Just again, luck of draw, luckily Draw Nickel time. Those 1:48:00.520 --> 1:48:03.439 records were everywhere. You couldn't escape them. And so you're 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:06.240 just definitely someone when I talked to younger artists, I 1:48:06.320 --> 1:48:08.519 definitely mentioned you was just you know, an example of 1:48:08.600 --> 1:48:11.400 perseverance and how just staying in the game. You just 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:14.360 never know, like I had no idea. I mean, I was, 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:16.920 you know, ten when Nikko Time came out. I thought 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:19.760 you were a new artist. I had no idea, you 1:48:19.840 --> 1:48:20.400 know what I'm saying. 1:48:20.800 --> 1:48:23.680 And so just to see yeah, and you know it 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:25.680 wasn't I lucky to be forty when I got it, 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:27.679 because I would have fucked myself up if I don't 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:30.560 know if you can say that, Oh no, say that, 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:34.280 but I'm saying that. You know, the people that can, 1:48:34.439 --> 1:48:37.880 like Taylor Swift and Nora. I mean, a bunch of 1:48:37.920 --> 1:48:41.519 people have gotten really famous early. They're handling themselves much 1:48:41.560 --> 1:48:44.280 better than my generation would have done. And if I 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:45.080 had hit it big. 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:46.800 Y'all didn't have social media. 1:48:46.600 --> 1:48:47.240 I'd be dead. 1:48:47.600 --> 1:48:49.120 Yeah, yeah for real. 1:48:49.840 --> 1:48:50.080 Yeah. 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:52.280 Well but you know, we thank you very much for 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:54.960 your artistry and this is definitely an island having you on, Michelle. 1:48:55.280 --> 1:48:57.400 Thank you for ladies and gentlemen on behalf of of 1:48:57.479 --> 1:49:02.479 course Love Supreme, fant Ticcolo, you Unpaid Bill and Sugar, Steve, 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:05.639 the Great Bonnie Radio. My name is Questlove. We will 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:07.920 see you on the next Goverent welcome. 1:49:07.960 --> 1:49:10.160 All right, you guys, God, bless day, safe. 1:49:17.960 --> 1:49:24.439 M's Love Supreme is a production of iheartnet Radio. 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