WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Something In The Way 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.640 Hi, Gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:17.360 The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Something in the Way audition 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.200 as the Bengals look to beat the team that's given 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.680 them the most trouble of any in recent years, the 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.920 Cleveland Browns. Coming up, I'll talk to linebacker Logan Wilson 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.840 about the Bengals twenty twenty draft class, led by Joe 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.400 Burrow T. Higgins and himself not a bad draft, right. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.760 Peter Schreger from Good Morning Football joins me to explain 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.680 why the Bengals are a team that nobody wants to 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:47.240 face In January, we'll hear from Joe Mixon and Sama J. P. 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According to the folks at Pro 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.840 Football Focus, there are eighty nine linebackers who have played 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.120 at least twenty percent of their team's defensive snaps this year. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.640 Jermaine Pratt is great it as the tenth best linebacker 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.480 in the league, and Logan Wilson is twenty sixth despite 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.720 dealing with a shoulder injury. I caught up with Wilson 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.600 this week. Logan, you are having another great season despite 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.120 injuring your shoulder back in Week six in New Orleans. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.360 How does this compare to what you dealt with in 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.799 the postseason last year? Yeah, it's not nearly His significant. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.480 I don't even know. I'd kind of just kind of 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.079 retour the post to your capsule, which everything that I 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.000 did in surgery is still They're still doing what it's 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.080 supposed to do. Anchors are good. It's just kind of 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.280 instant that happened, and you know, I think I'll just 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:43.960 play with the harness to protect it. But it's not. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.519 It's nothing like last year. Like my shoulder is still healthy. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.440 I still a full range of motion. Like last year, 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.280 I didn't really have full range of motion. And there 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.160 was a little bit more issues being dealt with after 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.760 that one. There were some nervous looks after that game 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.560 in New Orleans. Were you fearful that this might be 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.040 a big problem? Yeah, I think and anything, and that's 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.720 scared me, you know, just to reinjure something that you 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.200 just you know, rehabbed all the way back, got fixed 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.040 in the offseason, and for it to happen like that, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.919 it was just more nerve wracking than anything. And um, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.760 you know, luckily I just needed a week to let 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.440 it simmer down. I'm good. Now. We're chatting with Logan Wilson. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.960 So hearing you talk about the postseason last year, you 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.040 played great, You had the most tackles in the playoffs 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.120 of anybody in the last ten years in the NFL. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.919 You obviously had the huge interception in the Tennessee game. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.639 But what was normal life like? Could you lift your arm? 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.400 Could you sleep where? Things like that difficult? Yeah, it was. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.120 It wasn't like my life was pretty normal. Um, it's 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.760 just some things like overhead type stuff that would you know, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.320 get my arm was like more like so I being 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.920 able to come up next to my year was coming 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.440 out about forty five degrees and I just couldn't physically 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.120 get it up because of my labor and being torn. Um, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.880 it's just not being even when we do like rehab stuff, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.839 you know. Um, the pts would say that they could 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.080 feel like that. You could feel your feel the humoral 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.160 head kind of slip out, you know when when you're 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.120 doing some of those mobility stuff, and um, you know 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.800 it was there was a long road to recovery. And um, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.440 there was times during the playoffs where you know, you 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.560 get it hit and it just just shoot through your 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.280 whole arm. I remember one play in the Super Bowl 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:14.520 did that and I just kind of shake it out. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:15.880 Luckily it was a third down. I was able to 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.200 go off the sideline, let it calm back down, and 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.320 we were good. But it was good to get it fixed. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.240 Very smart. One of the reasons why I wanted to 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.880 talk to you this week was to ask you about 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.800 your tag team partner, Jermaine Pratt, who's having a great year. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.760 Pro Football Focus ranks him as the tenth best linebacker 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.640 in the NFL so far this year. He made the 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.480 key defensive play last week, ripping the ball away from 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.760 Travis Kelcey. What stands out to you about a guy 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.960 you've been playing with now for three years. I think, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:41.840 I mean, he's he is a good leader, whether or 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.360 not he sees himself, is that or not. Um, He's 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.080 he's very very smart schematically. Um, he knows what we're 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.000 gonna get from the from the offense. He knows what 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.280 we're doing on defense and what our weaknesses are. And UM, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.240 I think he's really just improved as an overall. You know, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.480 his overall linebacker play, you know, UM, piggyback onund some 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.679 things that he learned from Coach Golden last year and 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.240 now Coach Best this year. Um, you know, some block 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.880 protection things, just being physical, Um, but then always having 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.600 the mindset, like always reiterating like we got to get 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.480 the ball in some form or fashion, and um, you know, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.599 for him to you know, be miked up and be 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.480 talking about getting the ball and then gets the ball, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.680 that drive was was huge and just kind of a 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.920 no surprise. You know. It's a credit to the guy 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.600 he is. He works really hard to be where he's 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.880 at and um, you know, very happy to be playing 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.040 alongside him. Is it borderline comical how often he says 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.240 that at practice and you know, in meeting rooms and 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.240 so forth. I mean it is, but it's also good. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.680 It's a repetitive thing that you're always hearing. You're like, okay, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.719 well I made the tackles, Like who cares? You don't? 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:38.960 You know, you don't want to make the tackle you 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:40.320 want to make. You want to get the ball back 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.800 to our offense because, um, you know, our our offense 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.839 is operating on all cylinders right now, and so the 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.200 more times we can get the ball back to them 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:48.880 to go score points, you know, the better off we're 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.000 going to be. It sounds like both of you guys 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.560 are football chunkies. Is that accurate? Yeah, you can say that. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.440 I think we both have different ways that we UM 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.440 learn things, and UM, I think we both teach each 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.239 other some things and help each other on the field 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.880 with you know, certain things. I think that's what you're 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.200 supposed to do as a teammate. And UM, you know, 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.520 we feed off each other's energy. So anytime one of 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.120 us makes a good play, we you know, we hype 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.400 each other up. But UM, you know, I think that 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.800 we just have a really good linebacker room in general. Honestly, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.120 we're chatting with Logan Wilson. So you've accomplished a lot 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.080 personally and team wise in your three years in Cincinnati, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.920 But one thing you haven't done yet is beat Cleveland. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.360 Does it steck under your crop going into the game 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.240 this week? I mean it's always creeped into my head. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.839 You know, it's the one team since UM, since our draft, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.720 our draft class Joe t me Um, Akim Hakim Marcus, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.479 and we know we have never beat Cleveland. That's the 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.280 one team in our division we've never beaten. UM. You know, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.400 we always say the next game is the biggest game. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.680 So right now, this is the biggest game, UM, of 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.520 our season, and we need to get these these in 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.200 these divisional wins. You just ran down the guys from 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.680 your draft class who are still here. And I know 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.720 it's early, but it's shaping up to be one of 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.840 the great draft classes in Bengals history. When you came 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.279 into the building and you met Joe and you met 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.360 T and you met the other guys that you just mentioned, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.520 did you know right off the batman, I'm part of 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.360 something special? Um, you know, I I've I've figured it 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.720 I would be. You know, I think that anytime you 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.640 have the number one overall pick, um, it's about helping 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.880 set him up for success. And you know this organization 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.240 has done a very good job of that, you know, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:21.880 getting the guys around it to protect him, and then 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.080 getting weapons outside of him, and then like for Tea 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.200 to be developing into the receiver he's become. Um, it's 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.520 just a credit to the guys they draft, you know, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.560 I know, I think there was a stat I think 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.120 six of our seven picks that year were all captains. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.760 I think in college U T would have been had 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.040 he stayed for another year Clemson. Yeah, so I didn't 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.560 know he was the only one that wasn't a captain. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.800 But um, that's just a credit to the guys that 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.120 they're looking for. The type of character and um, I 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.680 mean you can see it in our locker room from 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.600 when I got here till now. Like it's I mean, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.440 it's just it really is night and day. The guys 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.560 that we have in the locker room. That's how you 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.240 that's it really is how you win games. And it's 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.880 been a good formula for us. Getting back to Sunday's 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.240 game against the Browns, Nick Chubb his head lot of 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.000 success against the Bengals five one yard games and eight 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.200 tries against Cincinnati. Sam Hubbard says he's the best in 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.560 the NFL. Do you agree? And if so, what I think? 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.400 He's just so hard to bring down and he's um, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.680 I mean, he's he's good out of the he's good 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.120 out of the backfield because he's you got to have 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.000 more than just one guy trying to tackle him and 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.680 bring him down. He's very um lower heavy, so he 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.160 breaks a lot of tackles. UM and you're not gonna 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.840 arm tackle him or some guys might be able to 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.680 kind of trip him up. He's got very good balance. Um. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.360 You know, I think he's just a very good all 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.120 around back and there's a reason why he's been at 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.560 the top of the rushing yards list for really price 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.160 since he's been in the league. So one thing that's 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.680 gone viral in recent weeks has been coached Duffner yelling 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.080 in his high pitched voice, Yeah, everyone there, you gonna 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.680 play Auffs. What do you think of that? And what 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.920 do you think of Coach duff I think he's he's 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.440 the man. He's he's awesome. My wife even asked me, 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.240 She's like, is that has is that his voices normally? 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.559 I was like, No, that's his like thing is he 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.040 just gets to hype up and um, that's why coach 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.640 asked him to say that. He's a character. I think 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.800 everyone on this coaching staff and the players love him. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.920 He's a great guy to have around. He's very knowledgeable 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.360 and he's been around this game for a very long time, 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.480 so he's a good guy to know. Final question for 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.880 Logan Wilson. I appreciate your time. We are four weeks 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:18.079 away from Bengals Bills and your opportunity to compete against 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.280 your friend and former college teammate at Wyoming Josh Allen. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.880 How frequently are you guys in touch, whether it's calls 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.160 or texts and is this a game you've had in 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.240 the back of your mind all year. We don't really 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.920 stay in touch that much. I mean, he's he's pretty 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.280 busy and he's he's a very focused type kind of guy. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.720 So I know he's trying to take care of what 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.400 they need to do over there in Buffalo, and you 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.600 know it will be a great opportunity, you know, to 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.520 be able to go against him when that time comes. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.720 But I'm a big living the present guys. From the meantime, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.440 I'll be worried about the Browns. The class of twenty 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.040 twenty has helped change this franchise. You're a big reason why. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.520 Congratulations on your success. Thanks for the time today. Thanks Dan. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.480 There's six linebackers taken before Logan Wilson in the twenty 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.720 twenty Laft, Isaiah Simmons, Kenneth Murray, Jordan Brooks and Patrick 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.920 Queen went in the first round, and Josh Ouch and 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.240 Willie Gay went in the second round before the Bengals 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.560 took Wilson with the first pick of the third. I 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.760 don't know about you, but I wouldn't trade Logan for 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.120 any of them. The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.400 you by pay Corps. More than twenty nine thousand customers 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:28.080 trust Paycorps to help them recruit, pay engage, and retain employees. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:33.040 Learn more at paycorps dot com. There's nothing worse in 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.880 sports television than fake laughter. You know what I mean. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.040 There are three or four people on the set, One 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.840 of them says something that isn't close to being funny, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.480 and the rest of the cast laughs like hyenas. That's 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.520 not the case on Good Morning Football on the NFL network. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.960 The hosts are legitimately funny and the laughs are real. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.079 Plus they know their stuff and have great chemistry as 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.520 a group. I caught up with one of the stars 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.480 of the show this week. But my money, Good Morning 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.920 Football is the best sports show on TV, and my 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.360 wife Peg agrees. And we are joined by one of 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.600 the hosts this week, Peter Schreger. Peter, you have been 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.680 binging on Bengals content of late. Earlier this week, you 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.719 said after the win over the Chiefs, I wouldn't want 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.800 to face the Bengals in January. What was it about 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.240 that win that maybe took the Bengals to another level. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.680 It wasn't just this win. I think they're on quite 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.320 a run right now. And and Dan I look back 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.840 at the Tennessee win, going into that hostile environment, doing 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.280 that without Jamar and doing it without Joe Mixon and 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.280 then quickly turning around and then being the Chiefs for 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.920 the third straight time. I mean it. I think this 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.400 team has got a you know, ice in their veins. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.320 And I know that sounds like it's a cliche, but 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.120 does Joe Burrow ever ever Waiver? Is this guy? Just 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.040 so I said on our show, I'm like he's like 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.360 a robot watching him. There's there's a motion, but there's 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.480 never this up and down that you get to see. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.000 You never see him yelling at teammates. You never see him, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.720 you know, spiking up ball and celebrating in a way 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.839 that might rub someone wrong. This guy is just so 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.280 dialed in. And I feel like this team is so 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.440 young and yet it's been there for the most part. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.440 All these guys were on this ride last year and 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.840 it's nothing's too big for them. So I would not 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.760 want to face them in January, whether it be in 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.040 Cincinnati or be on the road. That is a team 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.720 with that quarterback on the other sideline. I would not 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.400 want to see and I would not want to have 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.319 the game plan for I heard you called Joe a robot, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:29.679 and I knew what you meant. It was a good 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.320 way RoboCop determinator something along those lines. Is Joe what 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.360 you thought he would be as the number one pick 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.560 coming out of LSU or even better at this point? Oh, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.600 he succeeded expectations. And I remember talking to I guess 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.320 it was it was Zach probably around the combine before 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:49.960 it was even out there that they were taking him. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.839 And if the story at the time was Joe Purrow 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.079 might hold out and doesn't want to be a Bengal 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.040 and that he might want to just you know, play 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.880 his cards close to the chess and all this stuff. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.319 And Zach Taylor at the combine kind of gave me 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.480 the heads up and said, no, don't put us out 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.400 there everything but like of the quarterbacks, this is the guy. Like, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.920 this is the guy, and he's unbelievable and it's it's 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.840 been everything, everything and that and more. And what I 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.320 like about Burrow is, you know, it's not just number 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.840 one pick, great success. You know, you know Peyton Manning 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.200 and we've seen all you know, Terry Bradsch, all these guys. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.880 Whatever it is with Joe Burrow it's he had to 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.040 overcome a massive setback with the knee injury and then 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.360 had to overcome the appendicitist, has to do it with 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.760 a team that hadn't won a playoff game, and how 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.679 many years like he has had to overcome real hurdles 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.840 and yet never makes it about him, makes it about 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.640 everybody else and is this incredible leader. We all saw 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.840 the final season in college we all saw the college 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.559 football playoff. But I've seen a lot of great college quarterbacks. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.960 I a I was a huge Colt McCoy fan. I 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.800 was a huge Tim Tebow fan. I've seen a lot 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.360 of college quarterbacks win a lot of college games. Joe 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.600 Burrow is doing something that Cult McCoy, who I love 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.280 and Tim Tibo, who I love, have not done at 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.400 the pro level, and that's take a franchise on his 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.320 back and not only made them relevant, made them one 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.160 of the best in the NFL. Tell me about your 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.960 relationship with Zach Taylor, because you're close to Sean McVeigh. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.080 You did a podcast with him, I know you attended 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.240 his wedding over the summer. What do you think of 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.760 Zach Taylor. I love Zach Taylor. I've known Zach Taylor 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.320 since he was in Miami Dolphin. He was with the 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.480 Dolphins back in the Joe philbin era and I built 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.200 a relationship with him then. And then he went back 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.280 to the college game, obviously at Cincinnati, and you know, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.920 stayed on the radar, and I know Sean McVeigh really 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.720 really trusted Zach once he brought him on his staff 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.560 and would give me heads up and be like, I 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.280 know I'm the young hot thing here, but I've got 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:38.680 a bunch of guys in my staff that you should 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.680 meet and speak with. And I went out of my way. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.160 I did the Rams preseason games that twenty eighteen season, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.160 I think, and I went out of my way before 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.480 those games to get on the field and talk to 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.320 a Zach Taylor and get to know him, and talk 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.920 to an Eric Yarber, who's the wide receivers coach, and 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.120 really get to know the assistant coaches on that Rams team, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.960 because I thought what they were building was really cool, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.320 and I thought Zach was always so smart. And so 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.360 you know, I guess humbles the word, but it's he's 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.920 not the loudest guy in the room. He's not gonna 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.080 necessarily be the one that says, hey, look at me. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.040 He's not gonna necessarily have a Campbell Souper commercial like 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.720 mcvay's got that's running at all ads and all times. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.280 Zach Taylor's the guy wearing the Triple Xcel sweatshirt and 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.120 kind of hanging in the back and has the plane, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.280 you know, room when they're doing the draft during COVID, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.840 while Kingsbury's got the mansion and the sunny locale behind him. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:36.400 Like that's Zach family guy, lifer. Obviously, his brother's a coach. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.960 Obviously he's got a great playing career at Nebraska, but 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.320 a world of knowledge and a wealth, a wealth of 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.200 respect around the league. And I know Bengals fans sometimes 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.240 come out and they question play calls. And I remember 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:50.720 last year even when they were hot, and it was 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.200 what Zack Taylor doing. Asked the players, don't judge from 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.360 the outside, Asked the players, ask the staff. He treats 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.160 people right, and I think if everyone respects him in 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.000 the building. You host a podcast the season with Peter Schrager, 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.520 and this week you had current offensive coordinator Brian Callahan 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.320 on with you. What were some of your biggest takeaways 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.040 from visiting the Brian well, Brian's got a lot of 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.840 the same characteristics that Zach has and it's not a 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.440 lot to look at me, and there's not a lot 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.160 of puff your chest, and his voice is pretty level. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.240 He's going to tell you like it is. But what 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.880 I love about Brian's story is the amount of quarterbacks 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.800 that he's coached. And I wanted to go through that 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.800 because he came in and it was Tebow and then 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.040 it was Peyton Hanning. Couldn't go from one, you know, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.320 inexperienced NFL quarterback to a guy who's got all the 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.720 answers in Peyton, and then Stafford, and then Derek Carr 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.720 and then of course now you know Joe Burrow. And 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.640 I wanted to know all about what he's learned from 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.240 each one of those quarterbacks. That was interesting, But what 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.680 I really liked hearing about was his lifestyle and his 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.080 choice to go into this because his father, of course, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.720 his Brown's offensive line coach, Bill Callahan. And you know, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.680 you grow up in a coaching family can go one 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.680 of two ways. One you can resent the profession. You 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.600 could say, hey, my dad wasn't around on that offense. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.560 We had to move twenty different places all that stuff, 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.240 or you can look at your father as a hero 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.480 and say, hey, that's something I want to do. And 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.159 Brian followed in his father's footsteps. What I really like 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.879 about him is he's gone out of his way to 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.800 never work with or on his father's staff, and I 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.359 think that says a lot about him. He's like, I 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.960 love football, I love coaching, but I never want to 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.600 go that route. I want to do it on my own. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.040 And sure, his father's opened millions of doors, but Brian's 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.480 kind of charted his own path and I think that's 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.119 pretty cool. He's thirty eight years old, he's really bright, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.520 he's really well respected around the league, and I think 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.280 his demeanor is the right demeanor. It's one that's you've 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.840 got big personalities. In that Cincinnati locker room, you guys 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.720 be you do your thing. I'll be here, I'll coach, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.920 and I'll do everything I can't to support you, both 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.520 Hee and Zach. For the Bengals fans listening, both Hee 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.520 and Zach their main mission is to serve the players, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.720 to make the players the best players they can be, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.280 and Brian said it in the podcast A Day with Me. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.160 My goal is to get these guys paid as much 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.320 money as they possibly can and have the most fulfilled 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.000 lives that they can. And if we win some football 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.720 games along the way, that's great. But I'm about the 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.359 players and the team. It's not about me. And I 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.000 love that Brian and defensive coordinator lou Anna Rumo are 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.600 both being mentioned as future NFL head coaches. Do you 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.200 see that happening for either or both soon? Well, they've 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.600 both interviewed last year, right So, Brian had an interview 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.800 at Denver and that job went to Nathaniel Hackett. Then 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.200 lou Ana Rumo, who was with the Giants are employee 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.399 and it's from Staten Island. There is a lot of 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.000 local New York City buzz for lou They all wanted 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.439 to see him maybe get considered their He interviewed for 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.400 the Giants job and that went to Brian Dable. One 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.960