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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is the only chip here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus and I am joined our

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes, Chris Westling to my left

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Speaker 1: What is that? What is that money drop? I didn't

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Speaker 1: even get the reference. I got it now. I thought

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Speaker 1: only chip here. Oh yeah, calling back to the chi

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Speaker 1: Ken I think that was good. Yeah, yeah, calling back

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Speaker 1: to this. We didn't bring Sam in here to be

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Speaker 1: a chip out on the only chip here. That's all right.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like the new money drops. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for everyone sending hashtag money tags. Just anytime you

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Speaker 1: think of something good, send it to hashtag money tag

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Speaker 1: because we're always looking for it. Welcome to the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. I'll say it again. This is uh

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Speaker 1: a Monday podcast. We're here in the studio Studio sixty six.

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Speaker 1: Mark is missing because he's hard at work in our

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Speaker 1: Arizona at the NFL Annual Meeting. Is that what it's called?

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Speaker 1: I've written it forty four times in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days, But yeah, and NFL annual meeting that connor

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Speaker 1: Or and then Sizzler both covered the veteran combine, which

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Speaker 1: I hear was a depressing affair for everyone involved. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get them on the phone a little

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Speaker 1: Of course, the you know, all the big wigs are

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Speaker 1: down in Arizona for these breakfasts. That Greg, you could

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Speaker 1: this event jogging with Mark last year. Well, it's very similar, Dan.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been to like an embassy suite. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have. They have a complimentary breakfast. When you wake up,

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone can can go get some sol Continental breakfast, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much what it is, except in this case,

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Speaker 1: you know it's Doug Morone, you know it was last

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Speaker 1: and you sit down and ask him questions for an hour.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be Tuesday and Wednesday there on the scene.

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Speaker 1: How about that. That's pretty good. Do you think Mark

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Speaker 1: but he liked it. West. How you doing over there?

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Speaker 1: A little silence so far. It couldn't be better, Dan,

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Speaker 1: any better than you have to be two of me.

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend? Wonderful? Good, good, good little yesterday

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Speaker 1: I got the green egg working barbecue. We should be happy.

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Speaker 1: This is the start of the off season as far

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Speaker 1: beg and we're going to kick it off in style

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Speaker 1: next weekend. West West? I heard? Is that the name

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Speaker 1: where that you're going with it is? Now? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Guys? Happy National Puppy Day? I

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Speaker 1: like puppies every day, Puppy Day. Nice drop that. I

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Speaker 1: like that. The TV, by the way, the big news

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Speaker 1: I feel like he was speaking directly to Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 1: still a messy situation here. But rap She also Ian

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Speaker 1: guaranteed money in two thousand and sixteen, would make everything

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Speaker 1: has Philip Rivers too. I know that short term thinking,

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Speaker 1: and they also started as the Los Angeles Chargers in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. I mean, this is it's been circling

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Speaker 1: for twenty years, and now it's at the point where

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL would be really disappointed if if

431
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Speaker 1: some of these don't happen. But could we say it's happening,

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Speaker 1: but we don't really know because the St. Louis situation

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Speaker 1: is tricky. There's you know, Albert Brier wrote a piece

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Speaker 1: on the site with it which is worth checking out,

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Speaker 1: which explains some of the complications and and one of

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Speaker 1: them is that St. Louis in the state of Missouri

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Speaker 1: is pushing really hard to keep the Rams, so it's

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Speaker 1: not the best look for the Rams to leave at

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Speaker 1: this point. Could you see the Rams going to l

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Speaker 1: A and then the Raiders moving to St. Louis. Well,

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Speaker 1: Brier brought up that possibility, right, I don't know. I

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00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: think maybe Peter King brought it up. Uh they were.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting into wild black hole like start to

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Speaker 1: like crowding into the Edward James almost home. That is

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Speaker 1: so depressing. I thought, uh it, it doesn't really make

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Speaker 1: sense to me. We've heard a lot of crazy things

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Speaker 1: if you made a list of the crazy things that

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Speaker 1: had to do with Los Angeles in the NFL in

449
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Speaker 1: the last twenty years, I mean there's been a lot,

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Speaker 1: so who knows. I don't really believe any of this,

451
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Speaker 1: Still what happens. Moving on to other topics, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are bringing back James Harrison. This is a nice little

453
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Speaker 1: late career comeback for Harrison, who now gets a two

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Speaker 1: year deal will be his twelfth season in Pittsburgh. He's

455
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Speaker 1: been cut multiple times over that spin uh and spent

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Speaker 1: one year in Cincinnati. As we know, it's two thousand thirteen.

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Speaker 1: He had some really nice moments. Last season with the

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Speaker 1: Steelers was a really a bright spot for them. I

459
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Speaker 1: think he gave them much more than they realized. So

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Speaker 1: now West they bring him back and see if you

461
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Speaker 1: can do a little more. Yeah, he um captured the

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Speaker 1: air quotes here fountain of youth last year and what

463
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Speaker 1: are you getting at? I cannot say any more than that.

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Speaker 1: But he was the best player on their defense for

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Speaker 1: a good portion of the second half of the season,

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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know why it took so long,

467
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Speaker 1: but always thought it made more sense for him to

468
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Speaker 1: come back. Where now five years removed from wren Sap

469
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Speaker 1: calling the Steelers defense old and slow. Remember that and

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Speaker 1: they still have That was five years ago. I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm just making up years. It was at least three,

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Speaker 1: It was at least and it was I think it

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Speaker 1: was three years ago. Now, my you know, relationship with

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Speaker 1: the facts not always that strong either way. Is it important?

475
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: That was a while ago and we still have Paulo,

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Speaker 1: Malo and Harrison on this defense. It's like they can't

477
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Speaker 1: let go of This is going to be gone one

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Speaker 1: way or another, right And I don't think so at

479
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Speaker 1: this point. I think he's gonna be on the team now.

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00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's there there under the cap. They're not

481
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Speaker 1: spending any money. I think this was a Rooneys did

482
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Speaker 1: not want to let this guy go. I think he's there.

483
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: The damascheck the self stylized h Lester bangs downstairs in

484
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Speaker 1: the newsroom. He's getting a little restless about the Steelers

485
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Speaker 1: not really doing a lot this offseason. But I guess

486
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Speaker 1: like that's always the Steelers. Since when did they have

487
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Speaker 1: an active free agency period that you remember? They signed

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys last year, But you're I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: they tend to do things like the Packers do things right,

490
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Speaker 1: except they spend They don't spend it smartly as smartly

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Speaker 1: as the Packers had. By the way, looked it up.

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Speaker 1: Warren Sapp split the difference four years ago. It was

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Speaker 1: a while ago, two thousand eleven, right, and they've remade

494
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Speaker 1: most of that defense. I think the Steelers just need

495
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Speaker 1: the first round picks to work out. Greg Greg straight

496
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: up almost vindicated, saying I just wanted to get the facts.

497
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Speaker 1: So important fact good factor. Uh. Moving on, we Uh.

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Speaker 1: The NFL community lost one over their legends. Uh this

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Speaker 1: past weekend. Philadelphia Eagles Hall of Famer Chuck but Nerik

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Speaker 1: passed away Saturday morning, uh, following a brief illness in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: He was eighty nine years old. West. You are a

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Speaker 1: certified football head, and you wrote up a really nice

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Speaker 1: piece looking back at but Nerik's career. He was, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the true iron men of all time in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, Yeah, I think the first three things

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Speaker 1: that you think of with with Chuck ben Eric he's

507
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Speaker 1: the last two way player. He was an All Pro

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Speaker 1: linebacker and center and um the nineteen sixty championship game

509
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Speaker 1: he had he played both positions fifty eight and a

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Speaker 1: half of the sixty minutes and sat on uh Jim Taylor,

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Speaker 1: the Packers Hall of Fame fullback as time expired to

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Speaker 1: to wrap up that game. Uh. And then the other things.

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Speaker 1: He has one of the coolest nicknames and one of

514
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: the most fitting nicknames, Concrete Charlie. He's from a different era.

515
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: And it's actually not because of his playing style. It's

516
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: because he sold concrete as his other job. That's awesome.

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00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: And then the other thing about him is they hit

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Speaker 1: on Frank Gifford. Uh. It's known as the tackle when

519
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: he basically sent Frank Gifford out of the NFL for

520
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: a year due to concussions in nineteen days. He didn't

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00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: play eighteen months. And it's just amazing, you know, you

522
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Speaker 1: think about how much the game has changed. He's he

523
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: was a big part of his career. Was celebrated for

524
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: that hit. It would not happen that way now a

525
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Speaker 1: similar player. It was a player of that. Frank Gifford was,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh in New York anyway, he was like

527
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter in New York, the biggest star in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He had, he had the good looks, he had the fame.

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Speaker 1: He was a great player as a running back and receiver.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was a tougher time, not just

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, but in America at the time. These

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Speaker 1: guys are all coming out of Chuck bec Nerrick ran

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Speaker 1: thirty missions in World War Two. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it was just that, you know, you didn't worry about concussions,

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Speaker 1: you worried about dying. It was it was a different

536
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Speaker 1: time too. I mean, you have to imagine. That's imagine

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Speaker 1: if a hit like that happened in today's game to

538
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Speaker 1: knock out one of the game's pre eminent stars for

539
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Speaker 1: a year and a half. I mean, this is this

540
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: was one of the biggest hits, the biggest plays in

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Speaker 1: NFL history. It's still it still is. When uh Frank

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Speaker 1: Gifford first started dating Kathy Lee, Wow, he told her,

543
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get used to hearing the word

544
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: bet erka up. It's funny. A great little bed Nerrick

545
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: nugget in West's post. He played through a torn triceps.

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Speaker 1: It was so severely torn that it left a lump

547
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Speaker 1: by his elbow, which is just gross. And he wouldn't

548
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: let a doctor go near his arm when it happened,

549
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Speaker 1: so Chuck, but Nerik rest in peace, one of the

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00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: great ones. All right, now, let's move on. And we

551
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: have our two colleagues in Arizona that are covering all

552
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: the league events going on right now. And there's a

553
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: lot of stuff cooking in Arizona between the Veteran combine

554
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: and the owner's meetings and all the breakfast. Is that

555
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Mark's getting involved with so Greg it makes it makes

556
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: too much sense to get both the Sizzler Quiet Storm,

557
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and the great Space Ghost on the line

558
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: at the same time. And could this be facilitated? Is

559
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: anyone there? Oh? There they are, I hear them both.

560
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Look at this text. We have moved forward as a

561
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: podcast because last year Mark and I just passed the

562
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: phone back and forth to each other while you were jogging.

563
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Let's start, let's start there. By the way, has there

564
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: been any yagga, No connor. We have not done any

565
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: exercise of any sort. I'd say, these guys to go

566
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: to dinner last night, though, right, I mean I planned.

567
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: I planned like there's like a little paradise trail. But

568
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: then Mark was like, let's go get a beer at

569
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: the Tilty Kilt, and that sounded way better to me.

570
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like mad. All right, well, let's start, gentlemen

571
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: um and really, you guys are doing a great job there.

572
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: We're reading your dispatches. Uh back here in the on

573
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: the mother ship from the veteran combine, Why don't we

574
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: start there where we heard from one scout actually called it.

575
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: He said it was the veteran comment was like watching

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00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: old Yeller get shot a hundred and five times? Now,

577
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: can you can you back up that claim or that opinion?

578
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Was it? That? Was it that tough to watch these

579
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: older players trying to get back in the league and

580
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: not playing. Yeah, I think, like you trying to go ahead.

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00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I think that there were certain drills, certain aspects of it, like, um,

582
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: you know Jamala Anderson and Adam Character. I mean, you know,

583
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: like watching them do some of the some of the

584
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: bag drills, some of the movement drills, and it's just

585
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, just not just them in particular, but there's

586
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: such like a stiffness from some of these guys, and

587
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, you can tell that they're out

588
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: of the league for a reason. And outside of like

589
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: two or three people, I mean the fact that they

590
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: weren't in the league made absolute sense, especially especially after

591
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: we were all at the Combine in February. When you

592
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: see these guys that are twenty years old and are

593
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: there basically their pick peak fitness. You're watching those same drills,

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00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: I would assume, and you're and it's just a it's

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00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: a different ballgame. It's crazy to me how much these

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: guys are changing physically over a short period of time,

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: some of them, I think also. I mean those college

598
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: guys are training specifically for months for track type events,

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00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: and these veterans, like for instance, when we talked to

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00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: Michael Bush, he said, you know, he never went to

601
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: the Combine because he heard his knee come out of college.

602
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: He had never even done like a shuttle run or

603
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: a cone drill or a forty in front of scouts,

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: and it was totally an alien world to him, and

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00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: he failed. Yeah, he was. Your quotes from him, Mark

606
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: were the most memorable. Really, um, what what did he

607
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: say to you? Exactly? You told him that he had

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00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: an unofficial four nine one and then he was mortified. No,

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00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: I did not drop that bomb on him. Another heartless

610
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: writer told him that, and you know he he did.

611
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: He had come off the the field and thought he

612
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: had done real well, and there were just a couple

613
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: of us standing there and we were asking, you know,

614
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Speaker 1: how do you think you did? And when he learned

615
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: his time like thousand yards stare, I mean, he knew

616
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: right then that it was over, and he expressed, in

617
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: his words batically said, there goes my career. And it

618
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: was one of the more awkward moments I've ever spent

619
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: was any athlete, because he knew it and there was

620
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: no coming back, and people kept asking more questions like

621
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: let this guy go. Well, the Cardinals did sign someone

622
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: from the veteran combine, Nathan Slaughter, So there's your trivia answer.

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Speaker 1: They got someone a job, and I suspect there'll be

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00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: a handful more, you know. Danie Jeremiah talking about it,

625
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: thought Mike Cofka look good. He thought some people there

626
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: did impress enough that they're going to end up with

627
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: a team, But it didn't seem like it's going to

628
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: be a big influx or anything like that. What else,

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Speaker 1: guys are what else are you seeing? What have you

630
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: seen today? What's happening at the UH? It's a pretty

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Speaker 1: ritzy place you guys are staying at? Correct? Oh? Please?

632
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Speaker 1: What do you mean no, please, the listeners don't know

633
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: what's it like? Well, I mean, Connor, you you try

634
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: to explain, like how where we're at was fine dinner

635
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: the other night. Well, like it's a uh I would say,

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00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: like whenever we tell anybody that we're actually staying here,

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Speaker 1: we get like the roll the eyes, like you guys,

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty awesome. I mean there's like all these

639
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Speaker 1: fountains and palm trees and fresh flowers and cucumber infused water.

640
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Speaker 1: You know, it sounds awful everywhere. You know, I hate

641
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Speaker 1: ce com I mean, you know it's it's it's tough

642
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Speaker 1: out of here. Mark, you tweeted out a photo of

643
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly walking around with the book bag, or at

644
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: least you had a dispatch saying that's that? What was

645
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: what was happening? Any other like interesting sightings? I know

646
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: last year, Mark, you you saw like Belichick and a

647
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: speedo in the lobby or something. I remember a story

648
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: like that. Well, he continues to prance around with Linda

649
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Holiday wherever he goes, and we saw her along with

650
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: him today. Well they were, you know, that's he looked

651
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: very relaxed in a denim shirt with the buttons down

652
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: quite a bit. And you know, other than that, like

653
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: the reason Kelly stuck out to me, because there was

654
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: no one out at the hotel at all at you know,

655
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Speaker 1: five thirty and the more it was like six in

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Speaker 1: the morning, except this one girl like eating breakfast and

657
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: reading a book and like Chip killing Chip. Kelly CON's

658
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: walking by her. She doesn't know who he is at all.

659
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: She's just a vacation goer. Like this guy is a

660
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: completely different read. No one else was up for another.

661
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Well you were there. You're a different breed. Why were

662
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: you up, you know, walking around? And I belonged to

663
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: around the NFL and we were getting an early start.

664
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: I was about to go to meet Connor outside. So

665
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: speaks to what you got going on here, right, So

666
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: let's start, Yeah, before we let you guys, because you've

667
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: got to get back to work. This isn't you're staying

668
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: at a luxury resort, but that doesn't mean you're on

669
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 1: vacation fellas. And uh, you know the competition committee that's

670
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: a big part of these owner meetings, and I guess

671
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: the biggest thing to come out of that was to

672
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: catch no catch. Uh. They It was discussed during a

673
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: press conference, But it still leaves a lot to the

674
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Speaker 1: imagination of what actually is changing what it was. It's

675
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: still a very murky thing, correct, Yeah, And I think

676
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is it's basically what what happened

677
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: from was they said it was a clarification of the language,

678
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: but afterwards there were still plenty of questions about the

679
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: clarification of the language, and like to the point where,

680
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, we kept watching the does Bryant catch over

681
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and over again and somebody asked team Blendin know, well,

682
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: how is reaching for the pylon not considered a football move?

683
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: And you know he said that that was heavily in discussion.

684
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: So I think that this rule is just going to

685
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: be as ominous and confusing as it ever. Well, what

686
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: was the change? Do you can you explain it? That? Basically,

687
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I I, as far as I can understand it, football

688
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: move is no longer a part of it. That a

689
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver now has to establish himself as a runner

690
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: to complete the act of a catch, and there's no

691
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: more football move talk. I don't know what that, but

692
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is that the Dez Bryant

693
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: catches still not a catch and as long as that's

694
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: the truth that they still got this spots. It's still wrong. Wes.

695
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: You had a tweet about it that you were unhappy

696
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: with this for the same reasons. How do they got

697
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: to rectify that? I think gets the worst role in

698
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: professional sports. I think it takes away from the integrity

699
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: of the game when the average viewer and frankly, referees,

700
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: coaches and players don't know what it catches, and they

701
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: still won't know to catch us after this. Alright, gentlemen,

702
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: it's one writer here who like was right after that

703
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: competition committee charged with writing, you know, a long write

704
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: up on that specific subject. That is someone that I know.

705
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: And he turned around. He was like, I'm sorry, He's like,

706
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I have to write this thing. Can you do you

707
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: have any idea what they were saying? What was half

708
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: for clarification? Well, was that person Connor? It was because

709
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: Connor is writing that and I had the same conversation

710
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: with him. He didn't say that to me, but I

711
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: asked him, Kenny write about this, and I said, honestly,

712
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: after watching that, I'm I'm not exactly sure how like

713
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: this is when I'm just like, you take care of this, Connor,

714
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: because I have no idea. There's more of a silent

715
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: panic going on, and this is going to be bad.

716
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: It sounds bad. It sounds like a gentlemen. So far,

717
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of you know, late nights.

718
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I want there to be at least one night where

719
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: the quiet Storm collides with the space ghost and then

720
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: everything just goes off. So that is to me and Greg.

721
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: Greg's boss, So he's giving you major assignments. The assignment

722
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: that I am handing out is the party. Well we've

723
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: been friced out of the market early, but um you know,

724
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: we'll have to make a go of it. Like we

725
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: I think we've been in bed before nine pm both nights.

726
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: You know what, we're hard working together, we're hard working

727
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: individuals in bed before nine I can't buy that back.

728
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: LUs to exaggerate. All right, gentlemen, thank you for all

729
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: the work that you do, and please return home soon. Yeah.

730
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: I've seen how you operate, Cessler. You can't Sessler trying

731
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: to pull the wool over eyes est tell me what,

732
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: tell him what's happened? I um, Mark was in bed

733
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: well before, like he's in his room, in his room. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: he ducked in the room changed into his night owl

735
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: suit and then left. All right anyway, And that phone

736
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: call at the beginning of the podcast was Mark calling

737
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: in forty minutes early, so that Mark is always beyond

738
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: punctual and it rings true with phone calls as well. Thanks,

739
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Enjoy your cucumber water boys. All right,

740
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: those are the heroes on site and in Arizona, so

741
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: they'll continue to keep us in the Loopal Mark be

742
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: back with us on Wednesday. Yeah, he will be here

743
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: on Thursday for our final, which is the most important

744
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: show of the week because of course it is the

745
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: return of Wait wait wait. You would think a game

746
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: that's the building and it's a recognition around the globe

747
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: would get a better sound drop. We might have to

748
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: work on that one that is by foot let me

749
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: here one more time. Wait wait wait. Also it cuts

750
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: off earlier that TV. We got to talk about that.

751
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: Um yeah, let's do a whole new thing. It doesn't

752
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: need to be that sort of theme. It could be

753
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: a little happier, but it's not. It's not West his

754
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: toaster anymore technically, but that's a good It's in my

755
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: desk drawer. Let's just say the last two people that

756
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: have one your toaster, neither one as West. You know

757
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. We wes his third removed right now

758
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: from winning this. This is why we need to start

759
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: the game up against the West can start to piece

760
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: it all back together. I'm looking forward to forward to

761
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: it after the long layoff. It's not my fault that

762
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: you would not grant me a match that you were scared.

763
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: You ran scared, John King, just like the vanderhola Field

764
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: and Charlie Steiner. Uh, come get your whooping, Rosenthal. I like,

765
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: before we get to our last topic, I just want to,

766
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm getting a ton of heat on

767
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: Twitter apparently Thursday show. I didn't even realize I did it,

768
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: but everyone and a lot of people took umbradge with it. Uh.

769
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: The UK came up with it, which is of course

770
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and I think I made a reference

771
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to England, so a lot of angry people I would

772
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: have think from Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland, but

773
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: not Ireland and perhaps even Guernsey according to West. Uh,

774
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: you know you're all part of the United Kingdom, not

775
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: just England. So I apologize to the UK. One final

776
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: note about last Thursday's episode. It is now the most

777
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: downloaded episode in around the NFL history. Two weeks in

778
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: a row, we had We've had that two weeks in

779
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: a row. Thursday Show. Okay, good, very good, great knowledge.

780
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into it. Zach Goldman behind

781
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: the glass of that show, it was, Yes, what do

782
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: you think? I think? Well, I don't want to ruin

783
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: this whole theory, but TD's information is completely wrong. It

784
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: was Wednesday show, so you know you gotta be on

785
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: top of things. Well was the Thursday show show last week?

786
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: Are right? Mr fact guy? All right, let's talk about

787
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: players who benefited or were hurt by free agency? Um

788
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: Mark Cessler and I both wrote pieces where we kind

789
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: of laid out, uh some players both four and against

790
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: or pro free agency in terms again being in being

791
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: in a better position and being in a worst position.

792
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Uh So why don't we, now the three of us

793
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: throw out some names, and uh, I guess I'll start

794
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: with one, Um that I think that Ryan Tannehill is

795
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: in a better position this year. I'll throw Tannehill. This

796
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: is Greg's boy, but I just want to mix it

797
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: up a little bit. And UH mentioned Tannehill because I

798
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: think they did right by him by getting Mike Wallace

799
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: out the door first and foremost. That was not a

800
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: good uh and not a good setup. They gave it

801
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: two years to try to make it work. It did

802
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: not work. They ship him out of town. They get

803
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills, which is a very nice trade, so it

804
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: gives him another chance. Jordan Cameron, who I'm a big

805
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: fan of and and by law of God hating the Browns.

806
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna have a big year this year

807
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: in Miami. So you've got two big players there. And

808
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: then of course when you sign Dominican Sue, it has

809
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: an effect on both sides of the ball that will

810
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: change their defense, that will make things easier potentially for

811
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. So I am saying Ryan Tannehill has benefited

812
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: from free agency gentleman salary cap implacations aside. Is their

813
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps better now than it was a year ago.

814
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I think they're and they have those Philadelphia roots there

815
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: with Bill Laser did they are treating wide receiver kind

816
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: of like Chip Kelly's tweeting right treating wide receiver. I

817
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: mean their top receivers are Still's, Matthews and Jarvis Landry.

818
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: They think the system is going to carry it over.

819
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd be a little worried there. There's

820
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: something to be said for that. I think Tannehill probably

821
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: throw most short passes of any quarterback in the NFL

822
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: list year. They don't go down the field at all.

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Speaker 1: And this is I mean, this is gonna be Tannehill's

824
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: fourth year. Correct correct If he does not make the

825
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: leap this year, I guess we kind of know what

826
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: he is at this point, which is kind of like

827
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: a guy hanging out right on the right on the Dalton.

828
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: I think he's above it. I think he's significantly above it,

829
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: significantly if he puts together. The question is can you

830
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: do it year after year? But I think based on

831
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: just last year he was a top twelve thirteen guy.

832
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: He's right there with Eli Manning or above Eli Manning.

833
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: And again, I just want to see it year after

834
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: year from him. Yeah the doll I just did a

835
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: post before. It is a gimmick offense. It's a combination

836
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly's and what Kyle Shanahan ran in RG

837
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: three's rookie year. But he has athleticism. I think he's

838
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: a that's true but he's better at running it than

839
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: any of the Chip Kelly offense guys. Yeah, and the Dolphins.

840
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: You know you said that we'll find out. The Dolphins

841
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: said today, your boy Tannenbaum said, we're gonna make him

842
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: a very rich man. Did they identify him as a

843
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: true franchise quarterback? Well, Tannenbaum also identified Mark Sanchez. It's

844
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: a true franchise quarterback. And I like Mike Tannebaum. But

845
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Mr tuh Greg, what do you got there? You got

846
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: one for benefited by by or hurt by? I can't

847
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: believe this guy didn't make it onto your list. I'm

848
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: not even kidding here. Matt Castle of the Buffalo Bills,

849
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: they're better. He's gonna win that starting job. You put

850
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: him in a position he's facing off EJ. EJ. Mayor

851
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor and he's throwing a clay Harvin, Watkins and Woods.

852
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: That is a good looking group. He's throwing short passes

853
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: west asks. But he's better admitted who stock Castle fetish

854
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: has reached new loads because he's I mean, are we

855
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: sure he can beat out Tyrod Taylor? That's what I'm

856
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: That's what I'm betting on. He was trying to beat

857
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: out Teddy Bridgewriter, so that was never happening. So he's

858
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: benefited much easier, and he's benefited. My point is that's

859
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: a great little group around him, and I think, uh,

860
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: you can coach him up and it'll be fine. I

861
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: like Greg Roman, a lot of people that can benefit

862
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: from this. All right, I mean you're right, because if

863
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm putting Gino Smith on this list, it obviously is

864
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: in a list of all guys I think are gonna

865
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: be really good this year, and Blake Bortles for that matter.

866
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know. For some reason, when I think

867
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: of the Bills quarterback situation, it's even it's a hopeless void.

868
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: And I think whoever they put in there is gonn

869
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: struggle until they get somebody new in town. But he's

870
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: there's no doubting that whoever starts as in a decent position. Well,

871
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: I think he could be closer to a Josh McCown

872
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: in Chicago type of Okay, that's see. I'd believe, Uh,

873
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: my number one guy who won the last few weeks

874
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: is C. J. Spiller. Oh I like that. I think, Um,

875
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: I know Greg thinks that I overvalue him a little bit.

876
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: His two thousand and twelve game film is the closest

877
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: I've seen to an early career Chris Johnson. That explosiveness

878
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: um in space and short areas. I haven't seen that

879
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: kind of lateral agility from any other player. And he's

880
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: going to a coach who knows how to use that,

881
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: whereas Doug Marone and Nathaniel Hackett did not know how

882
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: to use that. They tried to run him between the tackles,

883
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: and he's he he refuses to run between the tackles.

884
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: I think this was I think we'll see him. He

885
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: could be a superstar in the NFL. Wow like that.

886
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: The Ingram Spiller tag team my favorite running back tag

887
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: team in the NFL right now? Why do you why

888
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: do you think the Jets and Chan Gilly didn't go

889
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: after him? I thought that was I don't know, it's

890
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: a good question. It's not a good sign. I don't

891
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: think I do wonder what Spiller did you see that

892
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: explosiveness when he was on the field last year? Because

893
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: he high ankle sprains and other injuries, you'll see it

894
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: in flashes. I he just has to get in space

895
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: like he's not a guy who's gonna break tackles. Here's

896
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: West's fascination with Spiller that I that I do totally understand.

897
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: He's one of the rare players that have come out

898
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: like Percy Harvin, another guy that West loves, that can

899
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: make the rest of the NFL look slow, that looks

900
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: like he's on another plane. And there's only a few

901
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: of those guys that come along one, one or two

902
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: a year, and Spiller is one of those guys. All right,

903
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: give me one, I'll give you one. I'll piggyback off

904
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: a little bit off Mark's list who he throughout four

905
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he thought got worse. I think I agree

906
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: with this first one he has here, Tony Romo. Uh,

907
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Romo last year and why they

908
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: were so great on offenses because they did they kind

909
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: of ran it through DeMarco Murray and then made Tony

910
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: Romo not be under the same amount of pressure on

911
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: a week to week basis that he had been in

912
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: recent years. And that's why I just I still don't

913
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: get why they didn't work harder or try harder to

914
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: get a deal done. Get to Marco Murray back in

915
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: that locker room. I think they're gonna miss him now

916
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: lest I know, we've talked about what if Adrian Peterson

917
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: ends up in Dallas. I don't know if that's gonna happen.

918
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they go and get one of these running backs

919
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: in the draft and then he turns into a stud

920
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: and then away we go. But Darren McFadden doesn't do

921
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: anything for me for obvious reasons. And if you take

922
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: him out of there, if you take to Marco Murray

923
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: in there, and whoever ends ends up going in that

924
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: spot isn't as productive, then all that pressure goes back

925
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 1: on Romo like it was in the bad old days,

926
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: and you're standing in another eight and eight and maybe

927
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: another injury to Romo. It does make me think about

928
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: whether they will remain or run first team regardless of

929
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: their running back. I kind of think they will. I

930
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: mean they'll have to, they have to draft someone. But

931
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go away from that pound

932
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: pound the ball. I think they're just gonna hope that

933
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line is the reason why they were so good.

934
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: It's a big risk. The number two guy on my

935
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Winner's list is McFadden. Oh my gosh, you know, hold

936
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: hope you're making fun of me for Castle and you're

937
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: still pumping up old Darren McFadden. I mean, watch the tape.

938
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: B It's not just that he's on the Raiders. Watch him.

939
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: He can't break a tackle. I can't. I don't know

940
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: if you were paying attention there. But West's body language

941
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: as he said that utter Chip Kelly level confidence in

942
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: his head. Nod at Greg as he said Darren McFadden.

943
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: But just like I take your castle and I'll one up. Yeah.

944
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: I think I think McFadden. I've said this before. He's

945
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: the most dependent running back in the league on his

946
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I think if you open up holes

947
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: for him, he's going to produce. I don't think he's

948
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: better than Joseph Randall. I think I think he's well.

949
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: Joseph Randall's not. We don't even know if he's not

950
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: a real starter. Joseph Randol's a role player. How come

951
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: Latavia's Murray found great success behind that Oakland line, but

952
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden couldn't. That's a good question. Yeah, maybe they

953
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: should bring in Lottavia's Murray. He's one of the biggest winners.

954
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Free agency got a new center, Rodney Hudson, get negative.

955
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna be positive. We'll do whatever you want. I

956
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: don't care. I was just gonna go well for the

957
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: obvious one. Andrew Luck. Okay, let's hear it. I mean

958
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: you get rid of Reggie Wayne, who was basically an albatross.

959
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Hakim Nicks was so poor in Indianapolis last year that

960
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: no one assigned him to this point, no one's even

961
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: that interested. He couldn't separate. And then you add Johnson

962
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: and Gore a lot of mental power. Still some savvy nous.

963
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: Don't forget Harriman's Harriman's at guard. I'm just you know there.

964
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 1: They were loaded last year with the very flawed group,

965
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: and now they're better. That's my guy, like it, Wes,

966
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: give us another one. We gotta get out of here.

967
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: Whatever you want. Bradford, Okay, yeah, that's a big one. Sam.

968
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: Bradford goes from Brian Schottenheimer and some detective named Frank

969
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: Signetti Frank Signetti to Chip Kelly and what Greg has

970
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: dubbed a quarterback proof offense. Everyone who plays quarterback and

971
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: that offensive cells like that. I think it's that simple.

972
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: He did blow his knee out two years in a row,

973
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: but I guess that has nothing to do whether he's

974
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: helped or hurt by free agency. Either way, Jordan Matthews

975
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: could be another one helped helped, He could be how many? Well,

976
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: that's we felt for this last year though, just assuming

977
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles will spread around. But you're right,

978
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: he is in position at the moment that Jordan Mattews

979
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: hype a little bit. But he had yards as a rookie.

980
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: That's pretty People in fantasy leagues were treating him like

981
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: you had taken the first five rounds. That's ridiculous. I'll

982
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: throw another one out there, since he already came up. Uh,

983
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: and his quarterback came out to Jordan Cameron like him

984
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: getting out from under that dark cloud in Cleveland with

985
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: all that QB mess and uh, you know, going to

986
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Miami with a quarterback that in his fourth year who's

987
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: made gains each and every season, give him a real weapon.

988
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Jordan Cameron stays healthy. Yum, we're looking at the Pro Bowl.

989
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: It's guaranteed. In fact, I'll put a sandwich on Jordan

990
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: Cameron is going to the Pro Bowl just because of

991
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: the Browns. If he says he, I'll take that alright

992
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: that in a second. Wait, can we say he has

993
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: to be chop chop, chop it to the initial provo.

994
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be the seventh alternate, but

995
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: that's the part of the no then I'm not so

996
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take it, not if the count the

997
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: alternates just he was on the original Pro Bowl roster.

998
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: Al right, first whatever, Yeah, sure, that's fine, let's do it.

999
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Chomp chomp, chomp, chomp chomp. Alright, one more someone throwing

1000
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: out a juicer man. All I was thinking was poor

1001
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Terrence Knight, and I thought he was going to get

1002
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: a big contract. Instead, he has to go from Denver

1003
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: to Washington on another lousy deal. He ate himself out

1004
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: of it, He ate himself into the loser list. Shocking

1005
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: that a man nicknamed pot Ross would do that. It's

1006
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: just one of the all time stuntes. West he got

1007
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: one more real quick, a winner. Whatever. Uh, Blake Bortles, Bordo,

1008
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I call him Bordo. Julius. You gets Julius Thomas. They're

1009
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: trying to help they have one of the worst offensive

1010
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: lines in the NFL. They at least signed a guy,

1011
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell. Uh. Those are two nice pieces and we'll

1012
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: see what they do. The draft I think the biggest

1013
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: thing with him though, is he has to fix his

1014
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: mechanical flow and his delivery, which he was maybe one

1015
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: of the most impressive quarterbacks we saw in the preseason

1016
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: and then fell into a bad habit where he started

1017
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: throwing like a baseball pitcher and that really sunk his season.

1018
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: Shouldn't do that, should definitely throw like a football player. Yes,

1019
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: that's my analysis, alright, So that's it. So that's it

1020
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: for another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We

1021
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: got two more shows this week, uh, including of course

1022
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Thursday's big show with the toaster on the line. On Wednesday,

1023
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna have some great football chatter. Do

1024
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: we have anything set up for Wednesday? I thought we

1025
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: already have some. We're gonna do some positional power rankings

1026
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: of the divisions division power rankings. I don't even really

1027
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: know what it exactly entails yet, but we're gonna rank

1028
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: the divisions. And if we weren't planning to do it,

1029
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: now we've locked ourselves into it, so it's happening, So

1030
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: get ready for that. I think the gold standard. We'll

1031
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: be behind the glass on Wednesday, and then t D

1032
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: is taken back over for Thursday is important like that TD.

1033
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: That's shows something. Yeah, it's showing He's like, I don't

1034
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: want gold standard here from wester I want to be here.

1035
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: You know. It showed me something, especially after I listened

1036
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: to the show I missed and t D was taking

1037
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: some shots at me. You know, at the same time

1038
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: I get it, like he says, Dan's you know sometimes

1039
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: it's a pain. But at the same time, when I

1040
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: see you getting on that Thursday's show because you you

1041
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's one that you should be on, it

1042
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: makes me think, man, you know what, it's the right

1043
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: guy for the job. He's starting to get it some leadership.

1044
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of that Belichick West Welker scene

1045
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: where he's like, way to compete West? All right? So

1046
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: that's it. This is Dan Hansis signing off for the

1047
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Mailman and for the Boss and t D Behind the

1048
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: Glass and uh from Arizona, both Quiet Storm and Ghost Protocol.

1049
00:52:51,800 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: We will see you on Wednesday, wh