Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host,
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. This week,
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about ladder stands and how you
Speaker 2: can set them up in ways that will keep the
Speaker 2: deer coming by all season long, sit after sit. The
Speaker 2: cool thing about modern deer hunting is that we have
Speaker 2: access to a lot of gear. The bad thing about
Speaker 2: that is that a lot of the gear that we
Speaker 2: do have access to can make hunting unintentionally more difficult
Speaker 2: by mostly promising to make things much easier. I'm going
Speaker 2: to place ladder stands in that weird category, but it's
Speaker 2: mostly because of how we use them. This type of
Speaker 2: stand is a great option for certain situations, but it's
Speaker 2: also easy to use them wrong. I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about all of that more right now. On any random
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, I can go to Target and buy groceries,
Speaker 2: and when I do, I can walk through an aisle
Speaker 2: that is stocked to the gills with spices like black pepper.
Speaker 2: You literally cannot go to someone's house or any restaurant
Speaker 2: ranging from fast food to steakhouses that wouldn't even let
Speaker 2: someone like me in, and every one of them is
Speaker 2: going to have a pepper shaker or a fresh pepper
Speaker 2: grinder for every table. It's hard to imagine, but at
Speaker 2: one point in our history, black pepper was considered black gold,
Speaker 2: and it is often considered the most influential spice in
Speaker 2: our history. It originated in southwestern India and became so
Speaker 2: valuable in Europe that it was accepted as payment for rent,
Speaker 2: and it was displayed as a symbol of wealth and
Speaker 2: was a key component in creating fortunes during the Middle Ages.
Speaker 2: Of course, you wouldn't expect to have pepper without salt,
Speaker 2: which is a very common commodity today us and well,
Speaker 2: all the animals we love need sodium to survive. Plus
Speaker 2: we've only had modern refrigeration for a little while in
Speaker 2: the Grand Scoop of our evolution, so salt helped our
Speaker 2: ancestors preserve meat and fish, helped store food throughout the winter,
Speaker 2: help supply armies on long campaigns and times of war
Speaker 2: and help support long distance journeys across the open ocean.
Speaker 2: Salt was so important that the Romans built a series
Speaker 2: of roads connecting salt producing regions and cities, with one
Speaker 2: even called via Celaria, which means salt road transport some
Speaker 2: salt inland. I guess to have salt, you gotta have
Speaker 2: salt mines. And if you could hop in a time
Speaker 2: machine and head back roughly seven thousand years ago, you'd
Speaker 2: see that in some areas of the world this was
Speaker 2: big business. Areas like a specific region of Austria which
Speaker 2: is widely known to have the oldest salt mine that
Speaker 2: is still in operation. Salt which was called White Gold,
Speaker 2: which also kind of reminds me of a guy I
Speaker 2: know who did a year and a half in prison
Speaker 2: and earned the nickname White Chocolate for his basketball skills,
Speaker 2: has been mined from a mountain above the town of
Speaker 2: Hallstatt for so long that it gives us an amazing
Speaker 2: glimpse into how ancient people extracted this valuable resource. The
Speaker 2: conditions at this mine are perfect for preservation, unlike much
Speaker 2: of the conditions throughout the world, and this allows us
Speaker 2: to see organic materials from that time, you know, things
Speaker 2: like textiles, leather tools, mining equipment, and a whole host
Speaker 2: of stuff that gets archaeologists real excited, including wood artifacts. Now,
Speaker 2: in a lot of archaeological sites, use of wood has
Speaker 2: to be inferred, mostly from the stone that's left behind.
Speaker 2: But in that salt mine above Hallstatt, archaeologists found the
Speaker 2: oldest usage of wooden ladders, which miners used at the
Speaker 2: tail end of the Bronze Age to get around in
Speaker 2: the mine shafts, which was a job I would guess
Speaker 2: had a fairly high rate of well death. Ladders are
Speaker 2: amongst humanity's oldest tools. They appear in mythology, religion, military engineering, architecture,
Speaker 2: and everyday labor across pretty much every civilization. And you
Speaker 2: have to imagine that ancient humans climb trees for various reasons,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe to get to a better vantage point,
Speaker 2: to see game traveling across the plains, or to reach
Speaker 2: some honey or fruit, or maybe just to get away
Speaker 2: from someone or something that wanted to eat and kill them.
Speaker 2: And at some point, after climbing enough trees, they must
Speaker 2: have thought, man, it would be nice if there was
Speaker 2: a climbable tree next to that cliff with all of
Speaker 2: the bee hives on it, so we could reach that
Speaker 2: honey too. Voila, an idea is born. Take a tree
Speaker 2: with you, but make it the kind of tree that
Speaker 2: is lightweight and purpose built to allow us to easily
Speaker 2: go up and down from ancient Egypt to Rome and
Speaker 2: Greece and Japan and South Asia and medieval Europe and
Speaker 2: various indigenous cultures throughout the world. Latter use is well documented.
Speaker 2: I bet you own at least two like I do.
Speaker 2: One aluminum ladder that you used to get up on
Speaker 2: your garage roof so you can clean out the gutters
Speaker 2: and engage in hand to stinger combat with a bunch
Speaker 2: of wasps. And a smaller step ladder that has the
Speaker 2: structural integrity of a bowl of jello that you use
Speaker 2: to get from the garage roof to the house roof
Speaker 2: and which almost gave out on you one time, so
Speaker 2: you had to hang on for dear life, and you
Speaker 2: hurt your shoulder a little. And you're still a little
Speaker 2: pissed that your wife acts like that chores no big deal,
Speaker 2: even though in twenty years of marriage you've never not
Speaker 2: once seen her up on the roof even though she
Speaker 2: likes to say things like do you think we should
Speaker 2: clean the gutters soon? I guess one of us is
Speaker 2: there in spirit every time. You probably own a couple ladders,
Speaker 2: and you very well might own a ladder stand or
Speaker 2: three for hunting the wily whitetail. Ladder stands have a
Speaker 2: lot of appeal and they are a very natural conclusion
Speaker 2: to come to when you think about shooting deer from
Speaker 2: sixteen to twenty feet up in a tree, but also
Speaker 2: don't want to fall and break both of your ankles.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of ladder stands, and I'll say this,
Speaker 2: I have always loved them, and I have always hated them.
Speaker 2: The reasons for loving them are obvious. They're easy to
Speaker 2: get into an auto. That's the primary advantage in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But they can also allow you to sit with some
Speaker 2: someone else if you opt for a two person model,
Speaker 2: Sitting with a kid or someone else can be a blast,
Speaker 2: and there isn't much of a better way to do
Speaker 2: it than a double ladder stand. They can allow you
Speaker 2: to set up a season long spot in a way
Speaker 2: where it's always an easy thing to go to for
Speaker 2: an evening or a morning sit and Ladder stands are
Speaker 2: a great option for all day sits because you can
Speaker 2: really set yourself up for comfort. Ladder stands are great
Speaker 2: for older hunters and younger hunters. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: good to be had if you go this route. But
Speaker 2: let me explain why I hate them before I get
Speaker 2: into how to set them up as well as you
Speaker 2: possibly can. Reason number one is that they are not
Speaker 2: portable at all. I know they can be moved, but
Speaker 2: ladder stands are generally crazy heavy, and if they are
Speaker 2: made to not be heavy, they are often very spartan
Speaker 2: and not that much fun to use. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It'd be kind of like if you bought a luxury
Speaker 2: car and you took out the seats and instead sat
Speaker 2: on milk rates. For some stupid reason. The weight of
Speaker 2: ladder stands makes them a dicey proposition for getting them
Speaker 2: set up as well. If you've never done the balancing
Speaker 2: act of trying to get a ladder stand to stand
Speaker 2: up and hit the right spot on your chosen tree,
Speaker 2: and then had to climb a not secured stand to
Speaker 2: be the guy who secures it, you might not know this.
Speaker 2: It's just generally a stressful endeavor for all involved, and
Speaker 2: you usually need two people involved. Ladder stands are also
Speaker 2: often just kind of loud. They require a lot of
Speaker 2: pins and bolts and metal on metal points of contact.
Speaker 2: And the thing about a ladder with a heavy metal
Speaker 2: part on top of it is that there's a little
Speaker 2: extra torque in the whole thing, which becomes really evident
Speaker 2: when you climb up one in the dark and are
Speaker 2: hoping to stay whisper quiet. Sometimes it's just a little
Speaker 2: rattle of metal, but sometimes it's a full on pop
Speaker 2: that rings through the woods in much the same way
Speaker 2: an airhorn would if you were stupid enough to use
Speaker 2: it for any reason in the woods. I guess. Ladder
Speaker 2: stands also almost always come with a shooting rail for
Speaker 2: gun hunters and I guess crossbow hunters now. And if
Speaker 2: you're just a bowhunter, or often a bow hunter, you
Speaker 2: know what this is like. You know, some shooting rails
Speaker 2: can pivot out of the way, which is rarely silent,
Speaker 2: and then you still have a big metal cage in
Speaker 2: the vicinity of your bow limbs when you draw. The
Speaker 2: ones that don't move are worse, and they will factor
Speaker 2: into how you shoot a bow from them pretty much
Speaker 2: every time While this isn't personally an issue because I
Speaker 2: don't mess around when it comes to tree stand safety,
Speaker 2: one thing about ladder stands that doesn't get enough attention
Speaker 2: is the illusion of safety. I don't know if these
Speaker 2: numbers are still accurate, but for a long time one
Speaker 2: of the major safety harness companies would gather tree stand
Speaker 2: accident data and the results were interesting. Of the roughly
Speaker 2: two dozen deaths a year from tree stand falls, about
Speaker 2: half of them were from ladder stands. People don't think
Speaker 2: they need lifelines or safety harnesses when hunting from a
Speaker 2: ladder stand, but they don't factor in that unintentional mid
Speaker 2: morning snooze where they might pay headfirst out to the ground,
Speaker 2: or the fact that ladders can get icy, or that
Speaker 2: it's just gravity at play and we sometimes make clumsy,
Speaker 2: dumb mistakes. I am old enough to remember when it
Speaker 2: was very common to not use safety harnesses at all,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how many times I heard people
Speaker 2: say they wouldn't be able to draw their both if
Speaker 2: they were wearing one. I'm sure that sounds nuts now,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't that long ago where it was pretty common.
Speaker 2: Tree stand safety is no joke, and that goes for
Speaker 2: ladder stands. Okay, now all of that is aside. They
Speaker 2: are a great choice for certain situations, but you can
Speaker 2: put in some extra effort to make them a really
Speaker 2: good option just for starters. And to reiterate the point
Speaker 2: I just made, a good way to just begin this
Speaker 2: is to have a single or a double lifeline ready
Speaker 2: to go. Just harness up so you're secured on the
Speaker 2: way up and down and you won't have to worry
Speaker 2: about using a walker to get to the fridge anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But also think about how you set up your ladder stands.
Speaker 2: Last week I dropped an episode on stand set up.
Speaker 2: It's mostly about portable options, and I talked about you know,
Speaker 2: facing away from the action with your hang on with
Speaker 2: ladder stands. It's almost impossible to get people to consider this,
Speaker 2: and the reason is simple. You want to see deer coming,
Speaker 2: you stand up and you know, shoot them off the stand,
Speaker 2: kill your buck, easy, peasy, simple linear. That's great, but
Speaker 2: you have to consider that if you do the work
Speaker 2: to hang a ladder stand, you are very likely to
Speaker 2: hunt it a lot. I mean, that's kind of the
Speaker 2: understated selling point of this style of a stand. It's
Speaker 2: rock solid and always there waiting for you to just
Speaker 2: slip in and hunt. But volume hunting any location is
Speaker 2: a great way to burn it out, and when the
Speaker 2: deer start to realize that the stand is a major
Speaker 2: source of danger, they'll treat it differently. This only gets
Speaker 2: multiplied when you consider that most of us are going
Speaker 2: to put up ladder stands in spots where lots of
Speaker 2: deer should go, like food plots and field edge corners,
Speaker 2: just high traffic areas. That's great, but that's also a
Speaker 2: great way to educate a lot of deer in your press.
Speaker 2: It's in that specific spot. What's worse is that long
Speaker 2: after you leave, those deer will give that ladder a
Speaker 2: good sniff and start to put a pattern onto your
Speaker 2: hunting strategy. Add in the deer that wins you and
Speaker 2: see you, which is just inevitable at some point, and
Speaker 2: you have a recipe for real stan burnout. Setting up
Speaker 2: a ladder stand to be a little more hidden, maybe
Speaker 2: on the backside of a tree, can help you get
Speaker 2: bonus points if the ladder ends up in a spot
Speaker 2: deer just aren't likely to walk up to, Like if
Speaker 2: you leave some brush around and only leave a small
Speaker 2: trail to get to the actual ladder. This is extra
Speaker 2: work and a hard thing to measure, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: hurt to try to minimize the amount of deer that
Speaker 2: will put a nose to the places you put a
Speaker 2: hand or a boot. It's also a good idea to
Speaker 2: get yourself a roll hockey tape to wrap any of
Speaker 2: the parts of the stand that might cause noise. A
Speaker 2: lot of stands use a d loop kind of locking
Speaker 2: pin like you might find on a trailer hitch for
Speaker 2: a boat, and while those things are handy, they aren't
Speaker 2: tight fitting and are very easy to bump, you know,
Speaker 2: with your boot, toe or whatever on your way up.
Speaker 2: Wrapping some hockey tape around them is an easy fix,
Speaker 2: and that stuff can be used to silence pretty much
Speaker 2: anything you want. Any metal point on the stand you
Speaker 2: might bump with your bow can be wrapped up pretty easily. Again,
Speaker 2: this might never be the difference maker, but it's cheap
Speaker 2: insurance and if you do end up needing it when
Speaker 2: your target buck is closing in, you'll be happy you
Speaker 2: did it. You should also really really pay attention to
Speaker 2: how much play is in your ladder when you set
Speaker 2: up the stand. A little play in August is a
Speaker 2: lot of play in November, when it's sixty degrees colder
Speaker 2: and the woods are pin drop quiet. At the top
Speaker 2: of the stand, you'll encounter a few things you should
Speaker 2: really pay attention to as well. A good seat cushion
Speaker 2: is really important, not only for comfort but for staying quiet.
Speaker 2: This is because your harness has some metal buckles on it,
Speaker 2: which could scrape on metal seats. That's no bueno. You'll
Speaker 2: also realize that, even though you know this, you're often
Speaker 2: really exposed in a litelatderstand. They just can't as easily
Speaker 2: be tucked into a multi limbed part of a tree
Speaker 2: quite like a saddle or a hang on, and that
Speaker 2: means they are by nature way more visible. I really
Speaker 2: think deer learned to associate danger with trail cameras and
Speaker 2: tree stands in high pressure areas, and nothing is easier
Speaker 2: to spot than a big old ladder stand. Any cover
Speaker 2: you can give yourself at the top, it's just cheap insurance.
Speaker 2: Don't trim so much that you are totally exposed, because
Speaker 2: you're very likely to start getting picked off. Some folks
Speaker 2: will use camo netting to hide themselves, and while I've
Speaker 2: never done it because I don't hunt fro ladder stands
Speaker 2: enough to worry about it. I guess it does make sense.
Speaker 2: But if you can also just hinge cut some limbs
Speaker 2: and keep them around the base and sides of your platform,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a little extra cover. The key to
Speaker 2: hiding from deer if you can't put a tree trunk
Speaker 2: between you and them, is to really break up your outline.
Speaker 2: We all know this, and we've been told this by
Speaker 2: camo companies for a long long time. Doesn't make it unsure,
Speaker 2: you got to think about it. A deer that sees
Speaker 2: a whole human sized blob of camo and a tree
Speaker 2: on top of an unnatural metal thing strapped to that
Speaker 2: tree is a deer that might not end up wearing
Speaker 2: your tag. A little bit of brush and leaves in
Speaker 2: whatever to break up your outline is never going to
Speaker 2: hurt your cause. When I set up a ladder stand,
Speaker 2: I really like to make sure that the base of
Speaker 2: the stand where the platform is also has some brush
Speaker 2: and limbs around it to help when deer get close.
Speaker 2: I also really like to have some brush behind me
Speaker 2: so that when they look up they can't quite distinguish
Speaker 2: what is going on. You know, you get that and
Speaker 2: it'll maybe a little bit of wind, and it can
Speaker 2: do wonders for getting away with more movement as well. Now,
Speaker 2: while this might seem like a no brainer, it's a
Speaker 2: really good idea to get your ladder stand set and
Speaker 2: then take a three hundred and sixty degree walk around
Speaker 2: like you would with any stand, to see how visible
Speaker 2: you'll actually be. Then take a walk along the trails
Speaker 2: in other spots where the deer most likely to show up.
Speaker 2: How does the stand look and how do you think
Speaker 2: you'll look when you're in it. Now, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: None of this stuff is necessary for you to kill
Speaker 2: a deer from a ladder stand, and it might just
Speaker 2: seem like kind of extra nitpicky work. But it's these
Speaker 2: details we can account for ahead of time that might
Speaker 2: come into play when a really good buck does show up,
Speaker 2: and at that point you won't be sad that you
Speaker 2: took some extra time to really nail down the little
Speaker 2: things with your setup. This is also true if you
Speaker 2: put your dad in the stand and he's old enough
Speaker 2: to think about giving it all up, or you put
Speaker 2: one of your kids in that stand, you know, and
Speaker 2: they'll move all over every minute, especially when a foroky
Speaker 2: walks in and they need all the help they can get.
Speaker 2: The details matter, and if you're going to go this
Speaker 2: tree stand route, the details will eventually come into play
Speaker 2: at some point. Think about them and do your future
Speaker 2: self a favor and think about coming back next week
Speaker 2: because I'm going to talk about bachelor groups, how to
Speaker 2: find them, how to keep tabs on them, and how
Speaker 2: to put a plan into place to actually kill a
Speaker 2: buck out of one of them. That's it for this week.
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