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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing well. It's good to see you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you too well. As you said, we're

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Speaker 1: your favorite picks ahead of the NBA season. All these

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Speaker 1: start with the biggest one. Jason, you look at all

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Speaker 1: Last year, Kyrie Irving back in the picture. This year,

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons in the picture. You could see a little

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Speaker 1: bit more dispersion of scoring, driving the average for Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant down. Those guys could be closer to eight. Janice,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you can book him for thirty every single night.

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Speaker 1: He did it last year with Middleton and Drew. He'll

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Speaker 1: do it this year with Middleton and Drew. So for

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Speaker 1: him at plus four twenty to lead the league in scoring,

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Speaker 1: I really liked that. As a potential player prop I

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Speaker 1: like those. I like that you're sticking with the revenge

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Speaker 1: tour themes for a d and Harden and it is reasonable,

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Speaker 1: it's good value. I mean, you know, for a d

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Speaker 1: game was like automatic for four straight years hard and

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Speaker 1: even two years ago in Brooklyn when he was more

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Speaker 1: geared towards playmaking, was still putting up almost twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So I like all those numbers. All right, let's keep

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Speaker 1: it moving here and talk about this GM survey. So

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Speaker 1: we'll start again with the most important thing on the menu,

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Speaker 1: the NBA title. Only four teams received votes from all

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Speaker 1: the GMS as their title favorite, the Box, the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, and the Celtics. What's your reaction to that, Jason.

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Speaker 1: So when I when I was looking at the GM survey,

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Speaker 1: I look at it from a couple of different angles,

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Speaker 1: getting different perspectives of where people uh, where general managers

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Speaker 1: around the league see the game going, which players that

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Speaker 1: they prefer. And then also it's just a great chance

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Speaker 1: to kind of see how you know, because I it's

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Speaker 1: funny when I started doing this show, like so many

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Speaker 1: of you guys, the fans of the show, like I

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Speaker 1: listened to every single basketball podcast, listened to Bill Simmons,

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Speaker 1: I listened to Zach low I listened to you know,

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Speaker 1: the pizzeis who runs like your Film Room. I listened

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Speaker 1: to like a half dozen different basketball podcasts, and I

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Speaker 1: still occasionally do, but nowhere near as much. One of

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Speaker 1: the big reasons why is I don't want them to

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Speaker 1: color my analysis. I want to come at it with

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Speaker 1: an unbiased perspective and reach my own conclusions to the

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Speaker 1: best of my ability. And it's good to see how

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Speaker 1: the way that I see the game, if it actually is,

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Speaker 1: stacks up with some things that GM's around the league

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Speaker 1: see the game, or if there's disagreement, because that doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily mean I'm wrong either, it's different perspective, right. And

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Speaker 1: so this was an example where I saw an immediate

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Speaker 1: parallel because I saw a top tier and then a

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Speaker 1: big drop off. I saw Clippers, Bucks, Warriors, and Celtics.

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Speaker 1: And to see that the other four, or that the

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Speaker 1: other gms in the league viewed those four as the

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Speaker 1: only teams that really had a good, legitimate chance to

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Speaker 1: win the title, it just shows that that, at least

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Speaker 1: in this particular case, our line of thinking is in

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Speaker 1: line with what most of the front offices around the

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Speaker 1: league are thinking. I think that it is honestly a

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Speaker 1: the solid tier of the top four. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and I also, you know, would not say that I'm

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Speaker 1: overly surprised by seeing the GM results reflect that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: something else that stood out. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: love given to Steph and to the Warriors offense makes

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Speaker 1: sense given that they just won the title, but Steph

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Speaker 1: was awarded as the player who causes teams to make

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Speaker 1: the most adjustments. The Warriors were given best offense. So

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Speaker 1: what's your reaction to that? And do you expect them

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Speaker 1: to be the best team in the league this year?

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Speaker 1: So I expect them to be that. I have them

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Speaker 1: as number one in my power rankings, meaning meaning I

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Speaker 1: expect them to be the best team with the biggest

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Speaker 1: likelihood to win the title. But specifically on the offensive end,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you know. In that GM survey, they

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Speaker 1: specifically said that the Warriors run the best offense in

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Speaker 1: the league. Now, that to me is a separate topic

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Speaker 1: from production. Offensive production, because the Warriors were sixteenth in

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Speaker 1: offense last year. And if as you go back in time,

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Speaker 1: like two title went to the Golden State Warriors, who

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Speaker 1: were an unbelievable defensive team in an average half court offense,

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Speaker 1: then we go to last year with the Milwaukee Bucks,

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Speaker 1: and it's like they were the best, one of the

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Speaker 1: best defensive teams in the league, and their offense got

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Speaker 1: clunky when they got in the half court. And then

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Speaker 1: we go to the Lakers and they were the best

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Speaker 1: defense in the league, and their offense got really clunky

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Speaker 1: in the half court. And the main reason why is one,

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Speaker 1: they play defensive personnel, and then two they devote large

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Speaker 1: portions of energy and effort to the defensive end of

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Speaker 1: the floor. For instance, I think Denver is gonna finish

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Speaker 1: with the best offense overall by offensive raiding in basketball

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Speaker 1: this year. Big part of that is they prioritize offensive personnel.

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Speaker 1: You know. They they believe that they are a better

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Speaker 1: team with Michael Porter Jr. Giving up more points on

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Speaker 1: defense than they are with going with a three and

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Speaker 1: d wing and limiting what they can do on the

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Speaker 1: offensive end of the flour. Even with their effort and

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Speaker 1: focus and energy, they're not devote outing as much effort

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Speaker 1: to the defensive end as teams like the Warriors and

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Speaker 1: the Bucks are right, and so in terms of offensive rating,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Warriors will be towards the top,

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Speaker 1: but it is important to acknowledge that they do run

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Speaker 1: by far the most sophisticated offense in the league in

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Speaker 1: every single metric. In terms of screening actions run, they're

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Speaker 1: miles ahead of the other teams in the league. When

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Speaker 1: I was doing my season preview, the vast majority of

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Speaker 1: teams are just running a basic motion when they come

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Speaker 1: up the floor and live ball situations, maybe a ball screen,

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Speaker 1: maybe a dribble handoff, not a whole lot going on

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Speaker 1: in terms of player movement. And then they'll run sets

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Speaker 1: out of dead ball situations, so like free throws or

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Speaker 1: occasionally after a made basket or out of a time out.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors run sets almost every time down the floor.

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Speaker 1: They get down, they get in their five out, and

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Speaker 1: they run multiple interchanges every single time. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the it's one of the big ways that allows them

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Speaker 1: to have their offense translate to success in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Teams are just not even used to guard teams that

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Speaker 1: run sets as often as they do. So it's important

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge that the Warriors run the most sophisticated offense

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Speaker 1: in the league, but in terms of production, they'll never

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Speaker 1: be as high as the other teams in the league

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Speaker 1: because they play guys like Draymond and Andrew Wiggins, who

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Speaker 1: are defensive minded role players and they devote large portions

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Speaker 1: of their energy and focus and attention to the defensive

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Speaker 1: end of the floor. And then, last, but not least,

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Speaker 1: there was a little a little plug for Steph Curry.

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Speaker 1: Um they said that Steph Curry is the player that

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Speaker 1: commands teams to make the most to make to make

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Speaker 1: the most adjustments. And that just goes right back to

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Speaker 1: what we were saying every other player that you're guarding

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Speaker 1: that's at the top of the league, whether that's Luca

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Speaker 1: Donche or Lebron or Kevin Durant or even with the

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Speaker 1: post players, it's maybe a double and recover scheme, but

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Speaker 1: with those other heliocentric players, it's like you're setting up

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Speaker 1: pick and roll coverages. You're talking about where help is

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Speaker 1: coming from. But like when you've played seven or eight

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Speaker 1: games in a row and you get to the Golden

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Speaker 1: State Warriors game, it's like everything's got to be crumpled

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Speaker 1: up and thrown in the track because like now, everything

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Speaker 1: we're doing to guard this team has to be specifically

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Speaker 1: catered to them. And so when I saw that Steph

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Speaker 1: Kirk that that point about Steph Curry being the player

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Speaker 1: that dictates the most adjustments. I thought that was a

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Speaker 1: really interesting a piece of information coming from the front

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Speaker 1: offices because it means that they they see what we

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Speaker 1: all see, which is they're just very different from every

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Speaker 1: other team in the league. They command you to play

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Speaker 1: a completely different way. I talked about in the season preview.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors almost always go up to one in a

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Speaker 1: two oh in a playoff series. It's very rare for

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Speaker 1: them to lose a game like they did in Game

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Speaker 1: one against the Celtics in the Finals, and even in

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Speaker 1: that game, they controlled the game through three quarters, they

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Speaker 1: just blew it with a bad fourth quarter. They catch

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Speaker 1: every team off guard with what they do offensively, and

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Speaker 1: it's a huge part of what allows them to get

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Speaker 1: early advantages in series. And when you're up to oh,

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Speaker 1: it's like, man, I just need to win two of

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Speaker 1: the next five games. It buys you a lot of leeway,

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Speaker 1: and so I I just I thought it was cool

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Speaker 1: to see that MS acknowledge that they're they're the most

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Speaker 1: sophisticated offensive team in the league, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's particularly close. I think you make a really interesting

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Speaker 1: point though, with this question about sort of the results

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Speaker 1: versus the methodology split almost or the method just the

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Speaker 1: structure of the offense, because there's a pretty strong consensus.

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Speaker 1: Thirty eight percent of GM's said that the Warriors would

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Speaker 1: have the most efficient offense in basketball. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even last year with Steph on the floor,

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Speaker 1: they played at just below the fifth best offensive level

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Speaker 1: in the league and the most adjustments questions. Very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Steph makes a ton of sense. And the top five

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Speaker 1: overall is very logical. It's Yo, honest, Yoki, Embiide and Lucas,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I would think that's pretty much what

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Speaker 1: you would expect. Those are really overwhelming offensive forces who

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Speaker 1: demand those, you know, entire shifts in scheme and approach.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot from the NBA g M survey

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Speaker 1: that will get grabbed and highlighted. People love to look

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Speaker 1: at m VP, favorite title favorite oftentimes who's the player

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Speaker 1: it GM's would most like to have five years from now?

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Speaker 1: What were your favorite selections out of this whole survey

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Speaker 1: That may not have grabbed those headlines as much, So

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Speaker 1: I put down two um for starters. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really interesting that they said the two best coaches

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Speaker 1: in the league were Spolstra and cur Once again, that

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Speaker 1: has mimiced something I've been saying all summer long. So

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Speaker 1: it's just good to see that that we're reaching similar

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Speaker 1: conclusions to the guys that do this for the big bucks,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, UM and just they din't

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Speaker 1: they split that into two separate dynamics. They think that

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Speaker 1: spoils sture ones that runs the most sophisticated defensive schemes.

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Speaker 1: That immediately brought me to the way that they almost

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Speaker 1: completely erased Joel Embiide from the Eastern Conference SEMIS with

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Speaker 1: that kind of like that bracketing scheme where they were

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Speaker 1: fronting him and offering backside help. They're really good at

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Speaker 1: taking you out of what you like to do and

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Speaker 1: making you do stuff that you don't want to do.

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Speaker 1: They're very malleable, willing to make adjustments. That staff is

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Speaker 1: really impressive. And then we just talked about everything that

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Speaker 1: Steve Kurt does on the offensive end of the floor.

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Speaker 1: So it's cool to see that UM represented in the

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Speaker 1: GM survey. And then the second one, I put Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Brogden as the one the underrated player acquisition question. I

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Speaker 1: still don't think people realize just how much he's going

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Speaker 1: to help Boston. And you know, Marcus Smart kind of

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Speaker 1: does a lot of what Brogden does, but in a

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Speaker 1: way more volatile way. Um he can go off script,

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Speaker 1: take bad shots a lot of the time, and and

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Speaker 1: and just try to do too much from time to time.

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Speaker 1: And I like Marcus Smart, but he just he wasn't

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Speaker 1: enough to fix the ball handling issues that Jayson Tatum

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Speaker 1: and Jaylen Brown brought to the table. Adding Malcolm Brogden

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Speaker 1: out there and immediately you saw it in the preseason opener.

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Speaker 1: I think he had nine assists in that game, especially

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Speaker 1: when he was running the offense with the bench unit

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Speaker 1: to start the second quarter. He's just got such a

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Speaker 1: natural feel for running an offense out high pick and

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Speaker 1: roll with the intention of generating driving kick opportunities. He

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Speaker 1: already has a natural chemistry with Grant Williams. They have

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Speaker 1: a good connection with each other on how to relocate

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Speaker 1: to get good shots and and and Brogden's always hunting him.

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Speaker 1: He's getting the ball to players on time and on target.

646
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Speaker 1: That's an underrated ability as a passer when you factor

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Speaker 1: in the athleticism of these players, especially in the late

648
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Speaker 1: rounds of the playoffs, Like if you throw the pass

649
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: a little bit low into the side and the guy

650
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Speaker 1: has to bobble it or go out of his way

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00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: to catch it before he can get balanced again, that

652
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: fraction of a second can be long enough for a

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Speaker 1: great athlete to to close out and to take the

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Speaker 1: shot opportunity away. Malcolm Brogden's precision with the way he

655
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: locates passes two shooters on the wing will open up

656
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Speaker 1: that driving kick game that Boston is so good at.

657
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Speaker 1: I I just I think he's a huge influx of

658
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Speaker 1: talent that directly attacks one of their very specific needs

659
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Speaker 1: and weaknesses. I agreed that it was the most underrated

660
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Speaker 1: player acquisition into the summer. A lot of people are

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Speaker 1: down on the Celtics. I don't understand why. It's like, oh,

662
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: they would have lost to the Bucks if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for Chris Middleton. You're right, but then the Bucks didn't

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Speaker 1: get better and the Celtics got better. And you know,

665
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: Tatum and Brown are rapidly ascending, and like Robert Williams

666
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Speaker 1: was playing with a balky knew during the entire playoffs,

667
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Speaker 1: like they're gonna be better too, And and I think

668
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: we're too quick. And if it wasn't for Jason Tatum

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: completely following apart in the NBA Finals, they might be

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00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: the defending champs. I think, I think teams I know,

671
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: they're the Vegas favorite. That's the That's the funny subplot

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00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: here is the is the Celtics are actually the Vegas

673
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Speaker 1: favorite right now. But in terms of the sentiment that

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Speaker 1: I pick up talking to people and what I see

675
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: on Twitter, it seems like people are too low on

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Speaker 1: the Celtics right now, and and that puzzles me. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, and I think that the broad didn't pick

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Speaker 1: up is massive. I mean you mentioned just the versatility,

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: the the stability that he brings to an offense. He's

680
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: been twenty five and six on solid efficiency and it

681
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: is going to compete defensively for the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and I think introduced him into a role where he

683
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have to try to be a you know, leading

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: star offensive force and he can settle in as like

685
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: a third option. I think he will do some really

686
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: great things as a playmaker and then also getting his

687
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: own just a really good all around player. So let's

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Speaker 1: flip here from sort of pleasant surprises some of your

689
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Speaker 1: favorites with that last one to what disappointed you most

690
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 1: about this survey. So I put two things, um one,

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Speaker 1: a couple of picks that I disagreed with, and then

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Speaker 1: to a formatting thing that didn't make any sense to me. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, uh, for best perimeter defender in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: they put Marcus Smart and Drew Holiday as the top two,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't think that you can put small

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Speaker 1: players at the top of the league. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that those guys aren't good defensive players. They are, like

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00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: Drew Holidays, incredible, Marcus Smart literally just one defensive player

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Speaker 1: of the year. Although I disagreed with that pick. When

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Speaker 1: you when you look at those guys, they're great perimeter

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Speaker 1: contain guys. They can get into ball handlers, but their

702
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Speaker 1: size does add an element of matchup attacking. You see

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Speaker 1: Drew Holiday struggle with bigger wings from time to time,

704
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Speaker 1: especially the bigger, stronger ones like the khiele Enards and

705
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Speaker 1: the Lebron James of the world. I still prefer the

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Speaker 1: bigger wing. And then the other thing, too, is perimeter

707
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Speaker 1: defense to me is not just about dribble contain. It's

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Speaker 1: also about the ability to rotate as as plays break

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Speaker 1: down in a driving kick system. And so for me,

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Speaker 1: I look at like guys like Jayson Tatum, guys like

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00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: Mikhail Bridges, Guys like Andrew Wiggins, Guys like Ben Simmons,

712
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: that six seven to six ten long arms, freak athlete

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Speaker 1: that can contain the ball but also cover tons of

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Speaker 1: ground in rotation and be kind of frightening there, but

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Speaker 1: also hold their own against mismatches against bigger wings that

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Speaker 1: might try to back them down, Like could any of

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Speaker 1: those guys guardianess know, but neither can Drew Holiday or

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Smart. But I just prefer that archetype. And

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Speaker 1: I disagreed with that. It's are is the the kind

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Speaker 1: of formatting thing that I disagreed with. I they ordered

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Speaker 1: the player rankings by position type, and that just screwed

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Speaker 1: everything up because then it was like Steph Curry's the

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: best point guard, Devin Booker's the best to guard, and

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Speaker 1: then they go right to the forwards and so then

725
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: you're getting into your Lebron's or kadis and your honestes

726
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And what bothered me about that is,

727
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Speaker 1: I'm like I'm sitting there thinking, like so you're saying

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Speaker 1: the two best perimeter players in the league, or Steph

729
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Curry and Devin Booker. Like at a certain point, like

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Speaker 1: the one thing means literally nothing. Now it means literally nothing.

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Speaker 1: I I would say maybe the five when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about pick and roll coverages, you can it's like a

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Speaker 1: specific position. Yeah, but and like maybe you're playing the

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Speaker 1: guy who brings the ball up the floor versus the

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Speaker 1: guy that runs the wings. Yeah. Like there it's I

736
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Speaker 1: simplified it down in my season previews to guards, wings, bigs.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's the way they need to

738
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Speaker 1: rank these things. It just then it comes out weird,

739
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: where like why isn't Luca don Chich near the top

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Speaker 1: of that list, Like like he's you know, behind Booker

741
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Speaker 1: as a two guard, but also behind step as a

742
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Speaker 1: point guard. That just doesn't make any sense. So at

743
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Speaker 1: a certain point, like I know, the position list thing

744
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: gets thrown around a little too much. But the reality

745
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: is is like we don't have a shooting guard anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's not a thing in the NBA. And we have

747
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Speaker 1: we have guards, we have wings, we have bigs. That's

748
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Speaker 1: what we have. That's the way it should be ordered

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Speaker 1: from that one, And to take your point even further,

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Speaker 1: I think there's an argument that shooting guards specifically will

751
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Speaker 1: consistently be a weaker position because of the way that

752
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: they classified. In that historical sense, most of the great

753
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: scoring guards convert to primary ball handlers. James Hart goes

754
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Speaker 1: from being a quote unquote shooting guard to okay, now

755
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Speaker 1: he's running the entire offense, is going to be a

756
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Speaker 1: point guard. So to be a shooting guard you probably

757
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: need to have some sort of playmaking limitation. Like it's

758
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, Demard Rose, and Zach Lavine, Bradley Beale. None

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00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: of those guys are like lead playmaker types. So I

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Speaker 1: and agree with you more. I mean, you're disqualifying players.

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00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Luca dont is a shooting guard size, but yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a primary ball handler, so he's clearly better. Do away

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Speaker 1: with it. I think do away with it across the

764
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Speaker 1: board down to certainly the five specific positions. I think

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Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous. And I agree with you on the

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Speaker 1: best perimeter defender point. I thought it should have been

767
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, and he was in the like others receiving

768
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: votes category, but last time we saw him out there,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was the best perimeter defender on the planet.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's very interesting obviously all these results.

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Speaker 1: But I I completely agree with both those things that

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Speaker 1: you highlighted there. So really quick, really quickly, really quickly.

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Speaker 1: Um the on the position types thing, you can get

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00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: really crazy with like different archetypes, Like it is more

775
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: complicated than guard wing, big, but it certainly is not

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Speaker 1: point guard shooting, guard small forward powerful. Like it's more

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Speaker 1: like you have your primary ball handlers and they need

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Speaker 1: to be able to shoot off the drible because I

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Speaker 1: they can't shoot off the ribble, then you can't run

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Speaker 1: pick and roll with them. Then you have like movement shooters,

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00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: guys that you run off of screens, right, might have

782
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Speaker 1: high post threats, low post threats. You have guys who

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Speaker 1: screen and run to the rim, or screen and popped

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00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: to the three point line. There's all these different archetypes

785
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: of offensive players, but I'm just saying they don't fall

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00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: into position groupings. And we were just talking before the

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Speaker 1: show that Victor Weiman Yama might be a movement shooter

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Speaker 1: and he's a five. So like, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, it's like your skill set slots you into

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Speaker 1: a specific archetype of player, but not a position. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the line of thinking. We've got a ditch,

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00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: completely agree with you there. We got one last question,

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Speaker 1: because Lebron still made his mark on this survey. He

794
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Speaker 1: was ranked the fifth most athletic and the second most

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Speaker 1: versatile player in the entire NBA. What are your expectations

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Speaker 1: for him in year twenty Uh? You know, health is

797
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: going to be the big thing. I mean, he was

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00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: cruiser right along last year and then one day he

799
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: woke up in his knee was swollen. But I think

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw that Lebron is the fifth most

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Speaker 1: athletic player in the league, and I was like, man,

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00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: that's probably right. I'm sure you guys all saw that

803
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: that clip from this from training camp last week where

804
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: he dunked all over I'm blanking on his name now,

805
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: but that the big white dude shop blocker that the

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Speaker 1: Lakers have, that's that played in the G League last year.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting there and I'm like, how many

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Speaker 1: players in the league are doing that right now? And

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00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: there was a I don't know if you saw this, Carson,

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00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: there was a missed dunk from Scottie Barnes in the

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Speaker 1: Raptors first preseason game at the end of the first quarter,

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Speaker 1: and he kinda it was eerily reminiscent to Lebron's dunk

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Speaker 1: on Yusuf Nurkitch back in two thousand eighteen, the ridiculous one.

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Speaker 1: Uh they had Jr. Smith freaking out and running out

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Speaker 1: onto the floor. Scotty Barnes kind of starts really high

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00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and they run like a ball screen, kind of almost

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00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: at like half court, and he gets downhill and he

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00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: takes off from the same spot Lebron did, and it

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00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: gets rim stuffed and he wasn't high enough, he didn't

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Speaker 1: get there. And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, at

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Speaker 1: thirty three, Lebron dumped that over somebody, like the exact

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Speaker 1: same type of movement. And we consider Scottie Barnes one

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Speaker 1: of the most young, one of the best young athletes

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Speaker 1: in the entire league. Like he's kind of like a

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00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: mini Janice in a lot of different ways. So, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just a ridiculous testament to the way

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Speaker 1: he's taking care of his body and just the type

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Speaker 1: of unicorn athletic prospect that he was. And then he

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Speaker 1: got voted the second most versatile player in the league

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00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: as well, as you had mentioned, that's what's keeping him

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Speaker 1: around in this league in terms of his overall impact.

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Speaker 1: As he's gotten older, he's improved massively in all of

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00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: the areas he was weaker as a younger player. He's

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Speaker 1: still one of the more efficient is players in the

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Speaker 1: league's STI one of the more efficient post up players

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Speaker 1: in the league. He's efficient as a pull up jump shooter. Now.

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Speaker 1: His rim finishing. We talked about this over the off season.

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Speaker 1: Jannice like was considered one of the very Janice was

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Speaker 1: the best rim finisher in basketball this year with like

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Speaker 1: six point seven makes per game in the restricted area

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Speaker 1: at like seventy, and Lebron was right there at six

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Speaker 1: point six on like seventy. So Like, he just over

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00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: the years has continued to evolve his game and add

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00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: things so that as his athleticism is waned, he's just

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: as versatile and impactful as he's ever been. I had

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Speaker 1: him as the fourth best player in the league still,

847
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: and I expect big big things from him this year,

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Speaker 1: provided that his body holds up, which is obviously a

849
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: big question mark. I think he makes a case for

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Speaker 1: most versatile player, I mean certainly offensively, like who else

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00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: just shifts their desires from Okay, I want to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, the leading playmaker in the league, to leading

853
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: score in the league, and I want to attack from

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00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: all these different places on the floor, dominating out of

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00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: the post more one year, leaning more on the jump

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Speaker 1: he's overwhelmingly dominant, but he does not have the offensive versatility,

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Speaker 1: certainly of Lebron, which is just a marvel about a

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Speaker 1: dude entering year twenties, so unprecedented. Yep, I agree. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: that is all we have for today. As always, we

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Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate your support. We'll have one more video coming

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Speaker 1: out on Friday, and then we will be back after

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Speaker 1: the weekend on Monday. Thanks. As always, we'll see you

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