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Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Buffalo Football Monday. Even though

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Speaker 2: we are coming off the bye, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: with you as we get back to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five schedule coming up here in week eight. We have

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Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers, as we know, and we'll dive into

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Speaker 2: that game in earnest as the week wears on. And

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Speaker 2: there is some some important news regarding that game that

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Speaker 2: we'll get to in just a second here. Steve, you

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Speaker 2: were a you were a busy beaver for your bye weekend,

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Speaker 2: though largely yard work for you.

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Speaker 3: We got some stuff done outside, yeah, and it you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: got a big yard. Or if you have a yard

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Speaker 3: of any kind and there's a ton of work that

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Speaker 3: you can do on it, it's like, if you really

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Speaker 3: want to, you can do it forever. The problem is,

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Speaker 3: I spent a handful of hours two consecutive days outside,

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Speaker 3: you know, working on you know, doing stuff. You know,

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Speaker 3: we all know it is.

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Speaker 2: I'm the only one who could tell probably right there

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Speaker 2: will be no pets on the bat and no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: nobody's gonna like, ah, yeah you know that.

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Speaker 3: Oh I see what he did there. Nobody's gonna say

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Speaker 3: that they're gonna come. They say a nice yard.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's so. It's it's a little bit, am I really

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Speaker 3: you know, am I really gonna do this? But I

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Speaker 3: do feel better about it. That's that's that's the only

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Speaker 3: positive if I have from the whole weekend. Great weather

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Speaker 3: over the weekend, though, I went to the Sabers game.

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Speaker 3: Watched the Sabers game with a buddy of mine. Awesome game.

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Speaker 3: They were the better team. Came out and had to

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Speaker 3: take my jacket off when I came outside. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: they got they're not making ice outside. It was warm out,

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Speaker 3: beautiful day.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: Way not so much today. But still the weekend was good.

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got away for a long weekend with my wife,

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Speaker 2: So that was nice. Travel could have been a little smoother,

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Speaker 2: had some misconnections in there. Those are always fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm tony man. Travel is not glamorous.

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Speaker 2: You gotta do direct sometimes it's unavoidable based on where

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Speaker 3: Man, it's rough.

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Speaker 2: We we had an early flight out, like a six

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Speaker 2: am flight out. We get on the plane, we sit

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Speaker 2: and it has to be addressed by maintenance. They'll be

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Speaker 2: here in ten minutes. Then they tell us we have

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Speaker 2: to shut the plane down, like, you know, turn everything off.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, are they seriously going with the computer? Unplug

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Speaker 2: it and plug it back in right now? I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: there going I looked at my wife. I said to her,

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm willing to bet this is not going

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Speaker 2: to work. And it did not. Two hours later, they

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Speaker 2: finally because they take us off the plane because it's

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Speaker 2: the plane say, you know, stay nearby the gate whatever,

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Speaker 2: don't leave. Yeah. Right, by the time we get back

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Speaker 2: on the plane and take off, we have zero chance

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Speaker 2: of making our connection. Zero chance. So instead of flying

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Speaker 2: on two planes that day, we flew on three.

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Speaker 3: Oh bless your heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that stanks.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever get the feeling because we all been there.

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Speaker 3: It's not working, nothing's working. You unplug it, wait a second,

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Speaker 3: I'm not risking my life if my computer doesn't kick

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Speaker 2: Let's make sure that works.

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Speaker 3: This makes zero work. Yeah, unplug it all the way

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Speaker 2: So we had to well, yeah, but that takes a while.

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Speaker 3: Right, you gotta plus you gotta take it. Fortunately, you

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Speaker 2: And fortunately we did not miss that connection on the

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Speaker 2: So we made We had a good weekend.

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Speaker 3: We hadn't heard not there's no reason to think we

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Speaker 3: But we're having this conversation today. It look like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean. That's not I don't know, delayed. I wonder

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Speaker 3: Wow. I don't know, but anyway, Uh, back on the

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Speaker 3: practice field today, the.

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Speaker 2: Bills and Bills were hard at work today. Back off

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Speaker 2: there bye week. They held a closed practice today. First

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Speaker 2: injury report of the week obviously, is expected Wednesday. That

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Speaker 2: is also the first day the head coach, Sean McDermott

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Speaker 2: on that a couple of days. Let's go around the

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Speaker 2: NFL and see what happened here in Week seven, which

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Speaker 2: is presented by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare system of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and the Carolina Panthers will be without their

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback Bryce Young as it has been determined through

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Speaker 2: an MRI exam that he suffered a high ankle sprain

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Speaker 2: on Sunday against the Jets. He had to exit the

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Speaker 2: game left the stadium in a walking boot. So Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 2: quite possibly beyond, Carolina squeaked out a win over the

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Speaker 2: windless Jets thirteen to six yesterday. Andy Dalton finished the game,

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Speaker 2: as I said, for the Panthers, went four of seven

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Speaker 2: passing for sixty yards in relief of Young.

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Speaker 3: Is this the way he got injured on that we

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Speaker 2: That looked very innoculate, did look innocuous. But Steve, you

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Speaker 2: say this all the time like they may be franchise quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: you know, Bryce Young, Jade and Daniels, But they're tiny.

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Speaker 2: They're small, and you are. I don't care what you say.

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Speaker 2: You're more susceptible to injury. Jayden Daniels got hurt again yesterday.

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Speaker 2: missing a few games with an ankle problem. So Bryce

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked up friend Andy Dalton just for fun,

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Speaker 3: I looked up around young.

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton's career numbers against the Bills. Four career games

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Speaker 2: forty eight for one twenty eight yards. That's a fifty

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Speaker 3: Doesn't leave us bereft of hope.

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Speaker 2: The Jets meanwhile, benched Justin Fields during that game, but

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Speaker 2: didn't get much better with Tyrod Taylor at quarterback. Tyrod

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Speaker 2: zero and seven. I saw I was watching a little

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Speaker 2: still working through that. He even admitted that he's contacted

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Speaker 2: convinced that Justin Fields is starting this week. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're almost halfway through the season. You have not won

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Speaker 2: a game. Not that Tyrod was any better yesterday. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you watched any of that game, Steve,

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Speaker 2: I did a little. Did you see Derek Brown wreaking

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Speaker 2: o Cyrus Torrence, Right, but he was tossing guards around

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Speaker 3: If you're if you're Aron Glenn, you got to ask yourself.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of basic questions and these are pretty

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Speaker 3: self evidence. So I'm not breaking any news here. You

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Speaker 3: Tyrod gonna play better with a week at taking full reps?

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Speaker 3: He said, we're coming off the bench.

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Speaker 3: And if that's a coin flip, and he has to

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Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn has to think. A head coach has to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is that?

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Speaker 3: How are they gonna receive it? Are they gonna be

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Speaker 3: shake it up, whatever, whatever. Uh, I have more faith

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Speaker 3: those questions, and he'll have some He'll probably have some

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Speaker 2: But there's also been without Garrett Wilson, who has been

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Speaker 2: that either. Not that I think it's going to make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm those are the questions though, so I'm and

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Speaker 3: you know, you've got to do that. Aaron Glenn's got

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Speaker 3: to do that with probably an owner, if not breathing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: It's man, that's those are dark days over there.

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Speaker 2: Three teams, Cincinnati, Denver, and Green Bay recorded game winning

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Speaker 2: In Week seven, Denver beat the Giants thirty three thirty

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Speaker 2: first team since nineteen seventy to overcome a deficit of

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Speaker 2: eighteen or more points with six minutes remaining in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter and win in regulation. The broncos thirty three

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Speaker 2: most scored by one team in a fourth quarter in

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Speaker 2: Only Detroit on September thirtieth, two thousand and seven, in

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Speaker 2: It was the most points ever scored by a team

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Speaker 2: that had been shut out through the first three quarters.

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Speaker 2: Three goose eggs and then you put up a thirty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos broke a record that had been held by

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Speaker 2: I want to notice your speculation.

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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll's a seventy year old. Andy Reid's been in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this just in. They scored twenty one points in

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Speaker 2: and find out who is raising the roof presented by

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Speaker 2: Stellar Roofing. When quality counts, choose Stellar. Well. The Colts

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Speaker 3: We were talking, you know this morning. We're you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, number two passing offense. Cults are number one.

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Speaker 2: And Denver pulled one out of the fire. They're also

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Speaker 2: Look like zebra's running around out there. So they are

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Speaker 2: kind of a look the standings presented by Stellar Roofing.

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Speaker 2: When quality counts choose Stellar. A topic of discussion for

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Speaker 2: oh five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 2: give us a call, not a problem, you can hit

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Miron in Richmond to lead us off today.

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Speaker 7: What's up, Miron, Hi Joonwen, Thanks for thanks my call. Sure,

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Speaker 7: it's two things I made. The first is response to

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Speaker 7: do you think bringing Gave Davis from the practice squad

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Speaker 7: a more effective way we can use Kens Pulman to get.

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Speaker 8: Him more involved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Certainly that's possible, but I don't know that people should

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with Brownie. I'm we they saw

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Speaker 3: And I think he helped. And he certainly he made

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Speaker 2: him a more productive element of your passing game going forward,

440
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Speaker 2: as his production has kind of run dry the last

441
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Speaker 2: few games. So if you can unlock a player with

442
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Speaker 2: that physical ability inside. I think it's worth exploring. I'm

443
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Speaker 2: not saying it's a sure fireway to fix the lack

444
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Speaker 2: of production you're getting from him right now, but it

445
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Speaker 2: certainly bears consideration to explore it and see what you

446
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Speaker 2: can get from him by doing that. So I'm curious

447
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Speaker 2: to see if they if they go that route, even

448
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Speaker 2: at least some of the time this week against the Panthers.

449
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Speaker 2: So right, we'll see if it bears fruit. If they

450
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Speaker 2: decide to turn to that.

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Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see what they think about where

452
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Speaker 3: their offense is right now after a couple of straight losses.

453
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Speaker 3: Now that certainly the turnovers in the New England game

454
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Speaker 3: turned the tide there, and it's been the same thing

455
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Speaker 3: in Atlanta. I mean, this team didn't turn it over

456
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Speaker 3: for like, well, nobody in the history of the league

457
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Speaker 3: has gone through a stretch where they didn't turn it

458
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Speaker 3: over like the Bills went through. They set records because

459
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Speaker 3: they didn't ever turn it over.

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Speaker 2: They want to turn over in twelve which is.

461
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Speaker 3: Nobody's even come close to they except for last year's

462
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Speaker 3: Eagles team, and they had four in twelve games. So

463
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: you knew it was gonna swing back the other way.

464
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Speaker 3: So it's interesting because the way I say it to

465
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Speaker 3: see it, the Bills will show their hand by whether

466
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Speaker 3: they do something or don't do something, Because if they

467
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Speaker 3: feel they need to do something, you can bet they

468
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Speaker 3: will they'll make a move. If they don't, that'll tell

469
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Speaker 3: you what they believe about what they see on film

470
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Speaker 3: and in their roster and in their room. We may

471
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Speaker 3: see some shuffling about the guys that are already in

472
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Speaker 3: the building, like, for instance, like Gabe coming up in

473
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Speaker 3: Shavers going down or something of that natures. We may

474
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Speaker 3: see things like that, But if they don't make a move,

475
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Speaker 3: that that'll tell us that they've got some faith in

476
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Speaker 3: what they're doing here. And it'll be more about you

477
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Speaker 3: know that the Finger quotes saying, it's more about us

478
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Speaker 3: than is anybody else. If we get our stuff together,

479
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: we got the guys that can go, particularly on the

480
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Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. I think that'll be interesting

481
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Speaker 3: to watch and see.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but more of your phone

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Speaker 2: calls when we return, Dan in Rochester are gonna lead

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Speaker 2: us off when we get back with you here On

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 2: Radio Back here on one Bill's Live, Chris Brown seeds

487
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Speaker 2: tasker in what area will the return of Michael Hoyt

488
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Speaker 2: and Larry Ogunjoby help the Bill's defense the most? You

489
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Speaker 2: tell us at eight oh three oh five fifty one

490
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Speaker 2: eighty eight, five point fifty two, five point fifty. As

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Speaker 2: those two prepare for their first action in a Bill's uniform,

492
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Speaker 2: presumably this weekend. To the phones, we go into Dan

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Speaker 2: in Rochester. Next, what's up Dan?

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Speaker 9: Hey, Chris, I missed the week last week, I was

495
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Speaker 9: in the hospital. I want to catch up on the

496
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Speaker 9: question on the on the on the reverse the Josh,

497
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Speaker 9: why don't they use James Cook? And why the same

498
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Speaker 9: as the AFT Championship game, why don't they use James

499
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Speaker 9: Cook on the end a round?

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Speaker 2: They could do that if they line him up wide.

501
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Speaker 2: I suppose that is an option, and he is a

502
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Speaker 2: fast player. I don't think there's any debate about that,

503
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you could do that if you wanted to,

504
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: you know, and they're used to exchanging the ball on

505
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: a lot of downs, So yeah, you want to do that, fine,

506
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Speaker 2: go ahead. I'm not against that. That's your that's your solution,

507
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: go for.

508
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Speaker 3: It's one more way to get the ball to James Cook,

509
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: no question, but I I would just rather have him

510
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Speaker 3: learn to execute a simple handoff in the backfield. Please.

511
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Speaker 3: They've they've screwed it up twice and it's been three times.

512
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Speaker 2: If you can occur to Samuel.

513
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Speaker 3: Three times, Let's not do that anymore until they can

514
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Speaker 3: get it right.

515
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Speaker 2: No debate here. Let's go to Nick in Ontario next.

516
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Speaker 2: What's up? Nick? Nick? Are you there?

517
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Speaker 10: You asking for John in Ontario?

518
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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take John as he is. Nick here, I

519
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: can only go with the names unprovided. I'm sorry, John,

520
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Speaker 2: that's okay.

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Speaker 10: That's okay.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't know.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Yeah, I'm calling for two things, you know, and

524
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Speaker 10: answer your question. I think the addition of the two

525
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 10: suspended players have definitely helped the secondary. If they put

526
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Speaker 10: more pressure on the quarterback, right, that's pretty obviously result

527
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Speaker 10: more pressure on the quarterback, a little leisure to cover

528
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Speaker 10: and all that. But but the other thing, and you

529
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Speaker 10: guys alluded to this. Actually after I called and I

530
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Speaker 10: was on hold, I heard you mentioned that you had

531
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Speaker 10: spoken about this earlier with bringing Kyak Coleman into the slot.

532
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Speaker 10: And I've been thinking about that a while of Coleman

533
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Speaker 10: the slot and Shakir possibly as a wide out. I

534
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 10: think he has got I think Shakir's got better separation ability.

535
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Speaker 10: I think he's great in the slot, don't get me wrong.

536
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Speaker 10: But Coleman, to your point, is not really as not

537
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Speaker 10: being productive, and he was used more as a slot

538
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Speaker 10: in college. He's been there, done that. I think we

539
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Speaker 10: need to mix it up a little bit because I

540
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Speaker 10: think from an asset standpoint, you know, we are limited

541
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Speaker 10: in cap space, so we may be able to bring

542
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Speaker 10: somebody in. I don't know how much we're gonna get

543
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Speaker 10: with that, depending on what we're able to pay, and

544
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Speaker 10: then game could come back, but we don't know what

545
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Speaker 10: we're getting with him coming off the injury. But they've

546
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Speaker 10: got to do something different. They've got to mix the salad,

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 10: so to speak, and and do something a little different

548
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Speaker 10: because we've become i think, somewhat predictable and opposing teams

549
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 10: have learned how to defend us. It was pretty clear

550
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Speaker 10: in the last game, for sure, But I'd be interested

551
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Speaker 10: in you expanding on that a little bit more because

552
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Speaker 10: you know how much does that take. When you're a

553
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Speaker 10: team that's developed players a certain way, put a certain

554
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Speaker 10: game plan together. How much is entailed in making a

555
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Speaker 10: change like that? And I'll listen. I'd like to hear

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Speaker 10: your feetback out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna like Steve take this one, because if

558
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Speaker 2: you move Colemanto the slot, first of all, explain why

559
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: it might be easier for him to get open and

560
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Speaker 2: be a bigger factor in the passing game in that

561
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Speaker 2: in that spot Coleman.

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Speaker 3: In the slot is he's a bigger body. Usually slot

563
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Speaker 3: corners have to be a little bit slighter because they

564
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: need to move in both directions. You got a two

565
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Speaker 3: way go out of the slot. You can go inside

566
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Speaker 3: release or outside release and still run a lot of

567
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: different routes both ways. And it's just there's just more

568
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Speaker 3: space and two directions to cover. If you're outside, you

569
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: can run out routes of course, Uh, but it's just

570
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Speaker 3: you've got the boundary as an extra defender to help

571
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Speaker 3: a corner. So an inside slot corner has a bigger

572
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Speaker 3: challenge against a bigger body. Then you've also got the

573
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Speaker 3: added problem of getting around the guy. If he just

574
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Speaker 3: runs a five yard hook, you got to get around

575
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Speaker 3: his body to defend the past. It's just harder to defend.

576
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Speaker 2: A jump here.

577
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Speaker 3: There's just more ways to win out of a slot

578
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: formation for a big guy like Keon now.

579
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Speaker 2: Kind of like we saw with Drake London in the

580
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Speaker 2: last game.

581
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Speaker 3: For that. The problem is this, I mean, let's face it,

582
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Speaker 3: we're looking to a just to see if we can

583
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: get some production out of Keyon. We need something from

584
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: him and we're not getting it on a regular basis.

585
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: That's that's what we're trying to work around here. Uh.

586
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: The offense seems like it needs a boost somehow, some way.

587
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the case, Maybe it isn't. We're all looking

588
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: for some magic fix for I don't even know if

589
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: the offense, if the coaches feel like it's broken, you know, Uh,

590
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: they may attribute this to something else. They've had some

591
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: protection issues that Josh was getting hemmed in early on

592
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: against the Falcons. They got they've got a much better

593
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: pass rush than they've seen recently. Uh, they may attribute

594
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Speaker 3: this to something else. But you're right that you're looking

595
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: to get some production outside at some place and were

596
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: moving key onto the slot is one way to do it.

597
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Speaker 3: We're all looking you know, you're looking fors that's the

598
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: real problem. What are we looking at here? We're looking

599
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: at you know, do we activate Gabe to get him

600
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: on the field. How the coaches attack this is going

601
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: to tell us what they.

602
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: See and what they felt was necessary.

603
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: And what they felt nice. We may not be exactly

604
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: right about it, but now you're right, it feels like

605
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: something needs to be fixed in the offense. I don't

606
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: know that they believe that it does, and I don't

607
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: know if I do either. I want to.

608
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Speaker 2: Well, I will say this in the film, and this

609
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: is according to ESPN statistics, but in the last three

610
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Speaker 2: games on offense for the Bills, as inconsistent and disjointed

611
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: as it has looked at times, they are still second

612
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Speaker 2: in the NFL in success rate on offense, and that's

613
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Speaker 2: getting at least four yards on a play in a

614
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: neutral down and distance. So they are still moving the ball,

615
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Speaker 2: maybe not with the ease and effectiveness that we are

616
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Speaker 2: accustomed to seeing, but by NFL success rate metrics, number

617
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Speaker 2: two in the league in their last three games in

618
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Speaker 2: offensive success rates. So it's still under the hood. It

619
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: just has to come out I think, more effectively and

620
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Speaker 2: not look like such a heavy lift, which was the

621
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Speaker 2: case last week. And one last thing I'll say about

622
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Speaker 2: Coleman is Joe Brady demands that his receivers know the

623
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Speaker 2: X to the X di Z. You know all of

624
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: the spots and slot. They have to know everything across

625
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Speaker 2: the front because they may need to line up in

626
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Speaker 2: one of those areas based on player availability. In the

627
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Speaker 2: course of the game.

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Speaker 3: ESPN had some interesting stuff about this with when Allen

629
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: was making out of structured plays and he was avoiding sacks,

630
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Speaker 3: I mean he was. He had an eighty seven point

631
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Speaker 3: six QBR under pressure that was fifteen points higher than

632
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Speaker 3: anybody else. But over the past three games when he's

633
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: getting sacked and getting takeaways has been a problem. He's

634
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Speaker 3: dropped a twelve point two from eighty seven point six

635
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: and he's under pressure. He's twenty fifth among quarterbacks. He's

636
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: gone eight of twenty one for ninety yards with one

637
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: touchdown and three picks over that span. That so it

638
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: it has whatever this causing that, whether it's protection, whether

639
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: it's receivers, or whether it's Josh you got to figure

640
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: that out and get back to where you were over

641
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: the previous three months before that, when he was getting

642
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: sacked at a three percent rate instead of a ten

643
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: percent rate. And that's that's a problem. So you know,

644
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Josh getting sacked is something this team hasn't had to

645
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: deal with for quite some time. But he's it's been

646
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: happening in the last three games. He's been getting pressured

647
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: and he hasn't been as good. There was a time

648
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: when Josh was better than anybody else under pressure. When

649
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: why has that changed over the last three games? Figure,

650
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: they got to figure that out.

651
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Speaker 2: Part of the reason is they've been in long down

652
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Speaker 2: in distance a lot.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you gotta have guys getting separation, and their

654
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: run game hasn't been as good. So they're they're third

655
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Speaker 3: and long, third and eight, third and twelve. Maybe that's

656
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Speaker 3: been a problem.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

658
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Speaker 3: So you know there's a lot going on here that

659
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Speaker 3: may not be as easy as moving Keyon Coleman to

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Speaker 3: the slot.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Kevin in Hamburg next. What's up Kevin?

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how you doing? Banks for taking my call? Sure,

663
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Speaker 11: I have a question for you. Michael and the guy

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Speaker 11: that we got and that we're getting back, Michael, how

665
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Speaker 11: do you pronounce this name? Was he on the RAM

666
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Speaker 11: team that won the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, he was here?

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Speaker 11: Oh good? And then you know Verry comes from Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 11: a city that worships defense. You know that in the

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Speaker 11: city that once had a steel colonel a long long

671
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Speaker 11: time ago, they worship defense. They've been criticized sometimes for

672
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Speaker 11: only caring about defense when they had not good quarterback

673
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Speaker 11: playing from guys like Kenny Pig getting them. So maybe

674
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Speaker 11: playing under Mike Tomlin, you've learned things not to do

675
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Speaker 11: this and not to do that. So maybe especially him

676
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Speaker 11: more than Michael, can give us that kick in the

677
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Speaker 11: rear end that we need a lot of things like

678
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Speaker 11: what he expected from us playing for under Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 11: you know, maybe that could give us that kick in

680
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Speaker 11: the rear end, like when it comes to shiny tackling

681
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Speaker 11: stuff by Duse. You know how guys like him are

682
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Speaker 11: a stickler for.

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Speaker 10: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 12: Guy like that.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that could give us the kick in the

686
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Speaker 11: rear end that we need a defense that we don't

687
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Speaker 11: seem to have the last couple.

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Speaker 2: Of weeks, all right, fair enough, Kevin, I will say

689
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Speaker 2: you're talking about he could not have gotten back on

690
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Speaker 2: the roster any sooner. I mean, his timing could not

691
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: be better because Daikwon Jones has got a week to

692
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: week calf injury. I don't expect him to play this week.

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Speaker 2: You've got t J. Sanders on IR uh, and you've

694
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Speaker 2: got Dwayne Carter still on IR so you're down three

695
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Speaker 2: defensive tackles. You couldn't have asked for a better guy

696
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Speaker 2: to swoop in and help fill the void.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna play a lot on Sunday. Then he's on

699
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Speaker 2: the current injury situation alone, based on the sheer numbers,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna play a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a experience. He did play on a

702
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Speaker 3: very good defense in Pittsburgh, So yeah, you can expect

703
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Speaker 3: to get some at least, at the very least some

704
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Speaker 3: quality depth from Ogan, Jobie and Hoyt has been a

705
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Speaker 3: guy that the Bills have liked. Now and don't forget,

706
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Speaker 3: the Bills liked him so much they signed him to

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Speaker 3: a three year deal knowing about the suspension.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Ken in Buffalo. What do you

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Speaker 2: got for his Ken?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 6: Good asking sellers, can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Excellent.

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Speaker 4: Actually, first of.

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Speaker 6: All, I can appreciate the discussion that you're having about

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Speaker 6: both sides of the ball, offense and defense, but in

718
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Speaker 6: particular the fact that you're hammering out the woes that

719
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Speaker 6: have played the offense in the most two recent games,

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Speaker 6: of which he's lost.

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Speaker 8: And I want to go back.

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Speaker 6: To the Falcons game and afterwards, where coach Tom mcdummot

723
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Speaker 6: was flagged by the sports reporting media for the underutilization

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Speaker 6: of James Cook and his response was interesting. He said,

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Speaker 6: I've already quote, I've already talked to him, meaning Joe

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Speaker 6: Brady unquote, and I found his comments to be every

727
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Speaker 6: bit of disingenuous. Why because I know for a fact

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Speaker 6: that the decision to play James Cook less was not

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Speaker 6: about Joe Brady, but it's the Sean McDermott. And the

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Speaker 6: reason why I could tell you is because I have

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Speaker 6: to be watching the Sean McDermott Show hosted by yourself

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Speaker 6: Steve Task a couple of weeks ago before the Patriots game,

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Speaker 6: in which you were lauding James Cook's performance thus far

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Speaker 6: this season, and you also indicated that as a consequence

735
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Speaker 6: of his stellar play, both Tdy Johnson and Ray Davis

736
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Speaker 6: have seen them snaps go down, to which McDermott replied, yes,

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Speaker 6: that's true that snap count has gone down, but we

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Speaker 6: have to change. We have to give them more snaps

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Speaker 6: and we have to utilize Cook less because we don't

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Speaker 6: want to wear him down. Now I'm paraphrased, but that's

741
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Speaker 6: what he said. That's the message you drove home and

742
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Speaker 6: I found a stunning But even more stunning is that

743
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Speaker 6: he follow up on what he said he was going

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Speaker 6: to do against the Patriots. We continue to sub James

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Speaker 6: cookout to the extent that even Chris collinswerb, who a

746
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Speaker 6: lot of bills MOFY don't like, lamented the fact that

747
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Speaker 6: we kept seventy out. And of course, as a consequence,

748
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: he wasn't in a good running rhythm, and neither was

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Speaker 6: our office in a good passing rhythm. As relates to

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen, Listen, this office goes as James Cook goes.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why McDermott is getting it wrong, beyond

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Speaker 6: that his snap count was even worse against the Falcons.

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Speaker 6: He played thirty or fifty seven snaps. He talked about

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Speaker 6: a all pro, actually a pro bow running back who

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Speaker 6: the organization invested a significant amount of resources in. He

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Speaker 6: only played fifty two percent of the snaps, not one

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Speaker 6: target through the air, and he didn't play on one

758
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Speaker 6: third down nor a fourth down. So we wonder why

759
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Speaker 6: Josh is struggling, throwing an interception, getting blitzed and sacked

760
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Speaker 6: four times, uneasy, not doing good pre snap.

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Speaker 8: Reefs, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: It's because the fluidity of the office is not there,

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Speaker 6: because Cook has been reduced to a non fact that

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Speaker 6: shockingly so, how could you say you're gonna reduce this

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Speaker 6: guy's plans and he's just named AFC Player of the Month,

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Speaker 6: hasn't been on an injury list. Why are you reducing

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Speaker 6: his plays the first month of the season he didn't play,

768
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Speaker 6: please Caesars, et cetera. But to fast forward it to

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Speaker 6: conclude with this that when it gets your respective takes

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Speaker 6: against step Falcas, he had well eighty three yards through

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Speaker 6: three quarters, eighty three yards and yet in the fourth

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Speaker 6: quarter he got one carry. So we learned nothing from

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Speaker 6: the Kansas City Chiefs game last year in the Ant Championship,

774
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Speaker 6: when he had what one hundred and thirty four yards

775
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Speaker 6: Russian and receiving eighty five yards Russian forty nine yards passing.

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Speaker 6: He was averaging seventeen yards of touching in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 4: We ignored him.

778
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Speaker 6: Chiefs Kingdom was terrified.

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Speaker 8: Of Cook and we went away from it.

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Speaker 6: So I want to pause. I'd like to gather your

781
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Speaker 6: respective taps on the underutilization of Cook and how it's

782
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Speaker 6: hurting us. That's it. It's not rockets for us. Our

783
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Speaker 6: office is not going because Cook is not going. So

784
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Speaker 6: both of your tapes would be appreciated. With Steve, because

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Speaker 6: you were part of the discussion this sea, I'll be

786
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Speaker 6: interested in what you have to say. And then i'd

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Speaker 6: like to hear Mike says, well, thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Ken, Thanks Ken, go ahead. Steve.

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Speaker 3: First of all, you're right about the lack of touches

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter for James. It's noticeable. It was

791
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Speaker 3: just like the NFTY Championship game last year. Until it changes. Therefore,

792
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Speaker 3: pilosophy changes about third down or in two minute or

793
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Speaker 3: in the comeback mode, until their philosophy changes about James.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be the case right now. Their philosophy

795
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Speaker 3: is exactly what it was last year. When they get

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Speaker 3: into that mode, that that two minute mode or that

797
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Speaker 3: third down long mode. Ty Johnson's in the game. Until

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Speaker 3: that changes, nothing else is going to change. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right, and I get it. He had Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: had eighty seven yards rushing on seven carries five point

801
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Speaker 3: one per rush for three quarters until they got you know,

802
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Speaker 3: they're ten points down going in the fourth quarter and

803
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Speaker 3: they start going into that kind of offense. Until that changes,

804
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna notice James Cook not being on the field

805
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Speaker 3: in those situations and that and that's what that's what

806
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: gives a lot of people like you know, they're like,

807
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: you know, shaking their head on what are you doing?

808
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: You know, he needs to be on the field, And

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Speaker 3: I get it, especially till that changes. That's what we're

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Speaker 3: looking at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at the end of the game when you're down,

812
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: and put your best players on the field to try

813
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: to help you pull out a victory when you're down

814
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Speaker 2: on the scoreboard. And look, if we've said it before,

815
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: you want to keep Tidy Johnson on the field and

816
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: in the backfield because he's your best pass protector and

817
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: you're in pass mode, because you're in two minute drill mode.

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Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with that. There's nothing to say to Cook. Nothing.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing that says you can't put James Cook on

820
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Speaker 2: the field. Also, whether you're splitting him out wide, whether

821
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Speaker 2: you're going with split backs and he's chipping on the

822
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Speaker 2: way out on a pass route. There are a lot

823
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Speaker 2: of there's a multitude of different things you can do.

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Speaker 2: And just to be in all fairness to put coach

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Speaker 2: mcdermam's comments in proper context, he did say immediately after

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Speaker 2: the game in his postgame comments Monday night, when asked

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Speaker 2: about James Cook's playtime, said that's something we have to

828
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Speaker 2: take a look at. That was his answer Monday night.

829
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Speaker 2: Then on Tuesday when he met the media again, that's

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Speaker 2: when he said what you said, Ken, which was we've

831
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Speaker 2: discussed it, meaning I've already addressed it with coach Brady.

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Speaker 3: So he didn't say they're going to do something different.

833
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: He said, we've addressed it. Now we have to see

834
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Speaker 2: what happens going forward.

835
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Speaker 3: And I'm I'm with Brownie on this. James Cook needs

836
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: to be utilized as much as you can utilize him.

837
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Speaker 3: And I get it the over you know, the over

838
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: taxing him and look at I mean you're looking at

839
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Speaker 3: the whole and again big.

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Speaker 2: Picture and again putting McDermott's comments in context, Steve he

841
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: was asked specifically about number of carries for James Cook

842
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: and that if it gets to be too high a

843
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: number can take a toll. You tell me you could

844
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: split him out wide. It still takes a toll, but

845
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Speaker 2: maybe not the same toll as carrying the football behind

846
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing that struck me about that Atlanta game

848
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: is Cook had zero receptions, zero targets. Well, to me,

849
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Speaker 3: that's a little bit like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you're down Josh Palmer and Dalton Cancad in

851
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: the game, you're you, You're devoid of weapons. Now use

852
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: him as well.

853
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: I would say if if they see this as an issue,

854
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: they would their job in this bye week kind of lull,

855
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: would beat as Let's come up with a package with

856
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: James Cook as the primary receiver, the number one target,

857
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: the number one you know, listen, you'll endo the game package.

858
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: Let's do something to get him involved in some way,

859
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: shape or form. Let's add something to the offense with

860
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: James Cook involved. That that's my take. They may or

861
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: may not do that, but I'm kind of with Ken

862
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: on this. I he had a good three quarters of football.

863
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: It's hard to argue, and then it disappeared because of

864
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: the package they were using.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here more of your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: When we get back out of Buffalo Football Monday here

867
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Speaker 2: on one Bill's Live in what area? Will the return

868
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: of Michael Hoyd and Larry Ogan job help the Bills defense?

869
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Speaker 2: The most of your phone calls right now as we

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Speaker 2: go to Mike in Orchard Park next, what's up Mike, Hey.

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Speaker 13: Guys, thanks for taking my car. I'm kind of intrigued

872
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 13: about Michael Hoyt, you know, just kind of looking what

873
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 13: he did with the Rams. You know, he was primary

874
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 13: played in the inside, you know, twenty twenty twenty one,

875
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 13: and then I seem like they started to move him

876
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 13: to the outside.

877
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he lost like twenty twenty five pounds.

878
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, yeah. So so like my main thing with

879
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 13: our defense is get control, right, and I feel like

880
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 13: a lot of these big runs, you know, we lost

881
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 13: gat control and you know, lost containment. So I'm kind

882
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 13: of I'm kind of intrigued how the Bills use him.

883
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 13: I know, he has a very high ras store. You know,

884
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 13: he's very athletic for his size, So I'm kind of

885
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 13: I'm kind of intrigued to see how the Bills use

886
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 13: him and if he can kind of insist with outside containment.

887
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 13: So that's the that's the one player I'm gonna be

888
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 13: looking for this weekend, and I wanted to just give

889
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 13: my thoughts on the offense, you know, like looking at

890
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 13: our receivers, I feel like that it's not as bad

891
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 13: as it seems, right, And I feel like my main

892
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 13: concern is is I just don't know if Josh trust

893
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 13: what he's seeing out there, you know what I mean?

894
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 13: I like, I feel I feel Josh is kind of

895
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 13: lean on what he trusts, and I feel, you know,

896
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 13: I don't know if he if he just needs to

897
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 13: trust more and you know, trust more a keon and

898
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 13: trust more of Palmer, kind of kind of trust him

899
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 13: what he's seeing because I feel like there's a lot

900
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 13: of plays that he's that he's just not seeing or

901
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 13: he's missing. So I guess that's my concern is what

902
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 13: we need to do as the hawfense going forward for

903
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 13: him to trust and kind of and kind of see

904
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 13: what is what plays are actually out there, because he's

905
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 13: missed a couple of touchdowns, you know.

906
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, thanks for the call, Mike. I'll let Steve

907
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: address that part. I'll address Hoyt first. I think Hoyt's

908
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: success is going to be predicated on how often this

909
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: Bill's defense is going to be able to get the

910
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: opposing offense in long down and distance. You get opponents

911
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: in second and ten second and twelve third and six

912
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: third and seven plus, you are going to notice Michael

913
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: Hoyd on the field. I believe if you get opposing

914
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: offenses in those situations enough, he can be a force

915
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: multiplier for the pass rush because now what you can

916
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: do is you can leave Bosa on his side, put

917
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Hoyd on the other side, and you can kick Greg

918
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: Russeau inside if you wish, and line him up next

919
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: to Ed Oliver in a quote unquote turbo package. And

920
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: I like Rousseau up the middle because even if he

921
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: doesn't get home, he's putting his hands in the air,

922
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 2: and now a quarterback has to throw a ball nine

923
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: feet in the air at the line of scrimmage.

924
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: It's like it could also be you know, a guy

925
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: like Dion Walker could be in there, because he's also

926
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: a six to seven guy and a big, huge body

927
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: who if you get if he gets and he's a

928
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: little slippery, if he can get in and start doing

929
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: some nice pass rush moves on a single on a

930
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: guard with Ed Oliver on the other side, penetrating. You

931
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: know it's and you can stand it's just it's just

932
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: an upgrade. It gives you one more quality pass rusher

933
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: opposite Joey Bosa to make some get some production out

934
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: of those guys. This is a defense. Yeah, the offense

935
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 3: you're playing the the offensive question was which.

936
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: Was it was Josh trusting what he sees he's missing.

937
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: Let me put it this way. You hope that's the problem,

938
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: because that's fixing. Josh can fix that. Josh will self

939
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: correct and they'll get He'll get better around it. He

940
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: Josh is in the prime. He's if he's missing it,

941
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: there's a reason for it. Uh, and he'll fix that.

942
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything to worry about Josh and

943
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: that as far as the trust thing. Listen, if the

944
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: guy's open, he's gonna rip it. Yeah. And I think

945
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: there's been some I don't know if it's philosophical stuff

946
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 3: going on or whatever, but no, I don't think there's

947
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: anything going They turned it over nine times over the

948
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: last three or four games, and they have in a

949
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: game where they couldn't get turnovers. That's been the biggest thing.

950
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

951
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: If they protect the football and Josh makes the good throws,

952
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: and he's got some guys that can run open. They're

953
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: going to be fine. If they continue to turn it over, yeah,

954
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna have problems. It's that simple. And if you

955
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: put that on Josh, yeah. But the Keon Coleman thing.

956
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: You look at the Patriots game, he drops it inside

957
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: the ten yard line and we lose by three.

958
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: He's trusting Keon. I mean, he's getting six to seven

959
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: targets a game and he's catching three of them.

960
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: So I would love it if they stopped throwing the

961
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: back shoulder and the high and them. You not, and

962
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: particularly on a third down, don't do that anymore. Don't

963
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: even call plays where that's an option. Give Keon a

964
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: slant route or an outrout, or give him a route.

965
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: Don't give him a ball, you know what I'm saying,

966
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: and run some you know, don't just look for those

967
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty shots on a third down or a

968
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: fourth down. You've got to give more options to your

969
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: quarterback than that. I get Keon's good at it, but

970
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: defenses see it coming and it's still even with a

971
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: guy that's good, it's hard ball to complete.

972
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. Our number two. We'll begin

973
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: with Bill's team reportter Maatic g Lab who joins us

974
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: here in studio. Got some post buy stats to break

975
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: down with her when we return here on One Bill's

976
00:50:24,080 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: Live presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

977
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calledlida Health.

978
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: Hour number two on a Buffalo football Monday, coming off

979
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: the bye Chris Brown Steve Tasker joined in studio now

980
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: by Bill's team reporter Maddy glab As. We kind of

981
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: prepare and ramp up for week eight at Carolina. And

982
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: you know you've been siphoning through some Bills post by stuff,

983
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: and there's some encouraging stuff that comes out of that, right.

984
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 14: There is some encouraging stuff that comes out of a

985
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 14: bye week, and unfortunately the Bills have faced two straight losses,

986
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 14: and a bye week gives you time to reflect, gives

987
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 14: you a time to accept what has happened. And now

988
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 14: we start to move forward. The players do that, the

989
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 14: coaches do that, and the fans do that.

990
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: Maddy's our therapist, getting philosophers.

991
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 14: We're going into therapy hour back and.

992
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: Look at the ceiling and just start to pontificate.

993
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 14: Yeah, and We're gonna spin it positive because it's not

994
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 14: good to let losses eat. We've had a week off,

995
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 14: it is in the past, and now we are moving forward.

996
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: Are you okay with that? Yes, Here's what happened to

997
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: me yesterday. And let me just let me just give

998
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: you where my mind is at. I was sitting outside,

999
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: had an outdoor TV.

1000
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: It was.

1001
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: And I'm watching Red Zone NFL Red Zone. Oh and

1002
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: it's you know, everyone's like, it's like the Almighty has

1003
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: the remote, right, he tells you what you want. He's

1004
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: telling you what you want to see, and he's right

1005
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: all the time. Right, I'm watching this and I am

1006
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: just getting sadder and sadder and sadder with all these

1007
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 3: guys that these teams on our schedule, the teams we've played,

1008
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: and they're all looking like world beaters. I don't even

1009
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: remember who they're playing and I and all we can

1010
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: think is the last time we saw our team walking off.

1011
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: I have a ten point defeat by the Atlanta Falcons,

1012
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: who haven't been able to get out of their own

1013
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: way for a decade, and now and they get beat

1014
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: last night. I was like, it gets worse and worse

1015
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: as the day goes on.

1016
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: No, No, Well, we do know, Maddy that coming off

1017
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: the bye under Sean McDermott, Bills are pretty damn good.

1018
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 14: Yes, eight to oh coming off a bye week with

1019
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 14: Sean McDermott as the head coach of the Bills since

1020
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 14: twenty seventeen, Josh Allen is seven to oh coming off

1021
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 14: of bye weeks. Pretty good record to have. Okay, then

1022
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 14: you peel back the layers even more. Coming off of

1023
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 14: a bye week with Sean McDermott as a head coach,

1024
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 14: the Bills average twenty seven and a half points per game.

1025
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 14: They give up seventeen point six points per game. Guess

1026
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 14: how many takeaways they have in those eight games. Sixteen

1027
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 14: takeaways in eight games.

1028
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: You know what that says.

1029
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 14: It awakens a beast from within. You have a week off.

1030
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 14: Now we're gonna get right now, we're going to get

1031
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 14: back on track.

1032
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting that that average is two takeaways per game.

1033
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: Do you want to get pomp pomp, Steve.

1034
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: You look, Matt's over here prophesying. I'm okay, I'm on

1035
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: board with.

1036
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: That, So I will say this. It's interesting that it's

1037
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: sixteen takeaways over those eight post by games, because thus

1038
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: far this season The Bills have not had a multi

1039
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: takeaway game. The most they've had in any one game

1040
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: is one takeaway. They've not had a two takeaway game,

1041
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: a three takeaway game all season.

1042
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a minute, they did. They were like plus

1043
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: two on turnovers and stuff on that.

1044
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: They well, let me think, yeah, yeah, oh it might

1045
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: have been.

1046
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: Week one, Week one, Week one they had two.

1047
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah they have had Do we have a do we

1048
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 2: have a multi takeaway game?

1049
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 3: I think yeah, come on, yeah, I'll tell you yeah, yeah, yeah,

1050
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: yeah we got multi takeaway game.

1051
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: Come bro, Yeah, they only have like, what do we

1052
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: have six total they had?

1053
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: Come on, gee, I've got I've got it. Here we go.

1054
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: Jesus is on it.

1055
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1056
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: Feugals, block punts, extra point penalties, fumbles lost yeah, uh.

1057
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: Ravens had one lost fumble fumble and then they and

1058
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: then we have a do we have an interception and

1059
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: no interceptions?

1060
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: Did they have more than one?

1061
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: No? Come on, I can't believe we didn't have more

1062
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: than one turnover in one of these.

1063
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 14: Come on, the Ravens had one turnover.

1064
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the fourth quarter of fumble, So I don't.

1065
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't. I had read that and I took it

1066
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: for granted, I probably should have double checked to make

1067
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: sure I was right, but I don't believe.

1068
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 14: It would be quick to figure it out.

1069
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Let me know if they have a multi takeaway game

1070
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: for six, I am shocked.

1071
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: If we don't have a multi turn turnover game.

1072
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: Fumblest is They only had to pick against Miami and four,

1073
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: so they have not had a multi takeaway game this season.

1074
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: So to know that they averaged two and their last

1075
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: eight post by games is certainly encoura And on top

1076
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: of that, not that this carries a whole lot of weight,

1077
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: but they are going to be facing a backup quarterback

1078
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: this week because we already know Bryce Young is not playing.

1079
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: Andy Dalton in his career against the Bills four games,

1080
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: six touchdowns, six picks.

1081
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to split hairs, but Andy Dalton to

1082
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: me doesn't count as a backup quarterback. He's an aging starter. Okay,

1083
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: he's a washed ups, not a.

1084
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 14: Washed ups now, he's fifteen years in the league.

1085
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: He's yeah, man's that's different.

1086
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 14: Isn't that crazy?

1087
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: Andy Dalton to me doesn't count as a backup quarterback.

1088
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: To me, he's a starter who is not playing.

1089
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: He's a starter without a team. Is that what you're saying.

1090
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 3: See, he's a guy who is a starter who is

1091
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: not twenty eight. He's thirty eight or whatever he is.

1092
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 14: He's an older starter.

1093
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: He's like a Joe Flacco starter.

1094
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: Okay, except Joe Flacco found a place to play and

1095
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: they got traded to another place to play. Andy Dalton

1096
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have well he does now, but he did not previously.

1097
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't consider Andy Dalton the backup.

1098
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So you think you're saying that the Bills should

1099
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: not assume this job is going to be easier on

1100
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: Sunday because it's Andy Dahlman quarter.

1101
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 3: And Andy Dalton's not gonna make He's not gonna yeah,

1102
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: he's got nothing to lose and he's not gonna do

1103
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: something dumb. He may try something he's not capable of anymore,

1104
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: but he's not going to be doing anything dumb. In fact,

1105
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: his offense may be better with him in there.

1106
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 14: Well, they also have Rico Dowdell who's had his season

1107
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 14: rushing yards.

1108
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: And Carolina may think, listen, if Andy's in there, we're

1109
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: gonna do something now. Rico is going to be a

1110
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: bigger part. We're gonna go to our strengths.

1111
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why you wouldn't against a Bill's defense.

1112
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: You know that just gave up two hundred and thirty

1113
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 2: eight total yards to be Jean Robinson so and Rico

1114
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: Dawdle's EPA before yesterday's game was enormous. It was like

1115
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: twelve point three, you know, expected.

1116
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 14: Averaging five point six yards per rush right now, best

1117
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 14: in the league.

1118
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: And we have the other thing that presented a problem

1119
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: to the Bills the previous week against Atlanta, big physical receivers,

1120
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: whether it's Kyle Pitts or Drake London. This week it's

1121
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan and Xavier Legett.

1122
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: Leggott.

1123
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: I got to look at the pronunciation guide for him.

1124
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: I think it's Legot, but we'll find out. But two

1125
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: huge dudes, and Legot goes for ninety two yards. Last

1126
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: week with all the focus on McMillan, they were trying

1127
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: to take him out of the game. The Jets were

1128
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: with Sauce and Lego had a game. Yeah, I think

1129
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: it was eight for ninety two in a touchdown, right.

1130
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 14: Something're saying, oh, so, two big physical receiver is starting

1131
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 14: to figure it out.

1132
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna have to muscle up against those times.

1133
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 14: Bill's pass defense hasn't had a lot of balls thrown

1134
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 14: their way because people have been rushing on the Bills

1135
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 14: because the Bill's defense has struggled to stop the run.

1136
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 14: So that's why they have a top five passing defense

1137
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 14: right now. One of the reasons why. But if you

1138
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 14: think about, okay, maybe the game plan is going to

1139
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 14: be Rigodoudel is going to get a lot of the

1140
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 14: touches because Andy Dalton is going to be in a quarterback.

1141
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 14: You look at Buffalo's defensive line who is injury ridden.

1142
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 14: But the bright spot, which you guys have already talked about,

1143
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 14: is getting Michael Hoyt and Larry Ogen Joby back. And

1144
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 14: Ogen Joby is a defensive tackle who offers you veteran

1145
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 14: experience to a room that is riddled with injuries, specifically

1146
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 14: the interior of the defensive.

1147
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: Line, and and they're veteran.

1148
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dak is the guy you think about now, t

1149
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: J Sanders and those other guys on IR those guys

1150
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: I like where it's a day one is the guy

1151
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: you're thinking about now that's out of there, that's right, Yes,

1152
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: the guy you're going to miss now because t J. Sanders,

1153
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: we still didn't know about and he's on ir yeah,

1154
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: and the.

1155
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: But you're still down body.

1156
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: So you're down bodies, but now you know the one

1157
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: you're missing is Daykon because you're kind of counting on him.

1158
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: The other guys were less wait and see kind of guys.

1159
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, that Hoyt and Ogin Joby are doing. Hopefully

1160
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: you're going to do exactly what we've been thinking hoping

1161
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: they would do. We'll see if they can come in

1162
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 3: and give us depth and production, no pressure.

1163
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 14: First week back here you go, what can you do

1164
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 14: for us? Michael Hoyt as a defensive end offers this

1165
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 14: defense some flexibility. We know how he likes to line

1166
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 14: up all over the place. He gives that defensive line

1167
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 14: of spice. It's harder to prepare for a defense when

1168
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 14: you have somebody like him who can line up in

1169
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 14: different places.

1170
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing. So we always talk about

1171
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: teams that are coming off of by you get a

1172
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: chance to add a few wrinkles. The Bills are adding

1173
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: two players that the Panthers have zero tape on in

1174
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: a Bill's uniform outside of the preseason games. In terms

1175
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: of how they are going to be utilized. Not to

1176
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: mention the fact that you've had a coaching staff with

1177
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: extra time defensively to plan on how to use them

1178
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: in a way that might be different from some of

1179
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: their schemes through the first six games, so they really

1180
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 2: have a chance to really spring some stuff on the Panthers.

1181
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: I wonder how much they put on display against the

1182
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: Panthers and how much they keep under wraps until they

1183
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: play the Chiefs.

1184
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 14: The following another stat that I was interested in finding

1185
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 14: more about offensively for Buffalo. Our office kind of started

1186
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 14: to dive into offensive success rate for Buffalo this season.

1187
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 14: Shout out to Alec White who helped figure out these stats.

1188
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 14: Buffalo's top ten in offensive success rate right now fifty

1189
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 14: two point one percent. That's second best in the NFL.

1190
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 14: You'll look at the last two weeks and the losses

1191
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 14: in Week five and Week six, and offensively not as great.

1192
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 14: And the questions went to Joe Brady last week about

1193
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 14: what are you going to do on offense to help

1194
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 14: create a more productive unit when they're out there.

1195
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't look like such a heavy list.

1196
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 14: And yeah, in Week five and week six, they were

1197
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 14: still top ten in offensive success rate. Fifty three percent.

1198
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 14: That's seventh best in the league. That says not everything

1199
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 14: is going wrong. When after coming off of that Week

1200
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 14: six loss to the Falcons, you know, you lose that

1201
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 14: game by ten points, people are like, what what is

1202
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 14: going on?

1203
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: What is this offense?

1204
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 14: There's a couple things that go wrong that could have

1205
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 14: gone right, and it's a completely different game. You still

1206
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 14: Josh Allen at quarterback. You were injured with daltonkin Kaid.

1207
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 14: He's been your blitz beater this season. He's been one

1208
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 14: of your man beaters this season. You get him back

1209
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 14: in the fold. He was labeled as day to day

1210
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 14: the last time we spoke to Sean McDermott, So you

1211
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 14: may be getting healthier in that area as well.

1212
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting because how can you score fourteen

1213
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: points and still be at the top of the league

1214
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: in efficiency? But they are and I turnovers crush you.

1215
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: And just like the Bill's defense has been, you know,

1216
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 3: thriving on it. When it comes back to the mean,

1217
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: you got to have a way to win, and right

1218
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: I still think they're looking for that now. Certainly they're

1219
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: going to see and all of us will see what

1220
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: happens when Michael Hoyden and Ogen job. You're part of

1221
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: the mix up front. Maybe it changes things. It's hard

1222
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: to it's hard to imagine it's going to be all

1223
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: of a sudden they're going to be on pace for

1224
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: fifty six sacks, all of you know. But they should help,

1225
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: They should help. And how much help the Bills need.

1226
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. Their offense is still gonna click, I believe,

1227
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: but their defense they need some better production upfront in

1228
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: early downs in particular, I think.

1229
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 14: And just wrapping it up here with what Buffalo can

1230
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 14: do coming off of a bye and coming off of

1231
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 14: two losses. This is a team who, unfortunately has had

1232
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 14: two straight losses every single season in the Sean McDermot era,

1233
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 14: but they haven't had a third straight loss since twenty eighteen,

1234
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 14: that was Josh Allen's rookie year. After two losses, this

1235
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 14: team is really good about figuring out what is going wrong,

1236
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 14: how can we correct it, and then doing that in

1237
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 14: the following week. What you also get is a team

1238
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 14: that's super angry. You gotta believe these guys are pissed

1239
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 14: about the last two weeks and they're gonna follow it

1240
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 14: up with trying to do their best in the next week.

1241
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 14: It's gonna awaken an angry team who wants to make

1242
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 14: things right. Josh Allen has gotta be going out there

1243
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 14: against the Panthers on Sunday thinking, I Am going to

1244
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 14: prove those doubters wrong. They love to be the team

1245
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 14: that's the underdog. They like to be looked down upon,

1246
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 14: so then they can prove people wrong. That's when they

1247
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 14: have their I think some of their most success what

1248
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 14: we've seen in the past, well.

1249
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: Because it creates built in urgency. And if that doesn't

1250
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: create built in urgency, looking up at the New England

1251
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: Patriots in your division near the mid season mark and

1252
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: create some urgency too, now that they're a half game

1253
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: up on them with a five and two record and

1254
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: the head to end tiebreaker.

1255
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 3: It's we've said it and it's still the case. The

1256
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: schedule lays out pretty well for the Bills. I think

1257
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: it's a plus that they've got this game to head

1258
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 3: into before they have the Chiefs coming in town. Right,

1259
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: They're going to get a game under the belt, find

1260
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: out a little bit more about get a little healthier,

1261
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: you know, an extra week under the belt of all

1262
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: these guys that are coming back, and you also get

1263
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: a look at Ogunjobi and Hoyt as to how much

1264
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 3: they're going to be able to help them, what maybe

1265
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: they can do before you have the Chiefs coming in

1266
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: without giving like three games of preparation to the Chiefs

1267
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 3: to prepare for. So, I think the schedule still lays

1268
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: out favorably for the Bills to make a run at it,

1269
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: no matter how it feels. After this bye week and

1270
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: coming off a two game losing streak, It's hard to

1271
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: imagine a four and two team feeling worse than the

1272
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: Bills field right now. Hit it right.

1273
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: So a though the Steelers blue one to the Bengals

1274
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: on Thursday night, they're feeling pretty bad about being foreign

1275
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: two also.

1276
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: Right, So, you know, I think it still lays out there.

1277
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a lot that we got. We

1278
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 3: just kind of got to sit back and say, Okay,

1279
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: what do we got here? Because I still don't think

1280
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: I still think the Bills do not know exactly what

1281
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 3: they're looking at with their own team, particularly on the

1282
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball.

1283
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: Maddie, thanks for checking in here on a Monday. We

1284
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I'm sure we will catch up with you,

1285
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: hopefully next Monday after a victory for another edition of

1286
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: the Magic So a Bill's team of Potomatic Lab joining

1287
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: us here. We'll take a break right back to the

1288
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: phones when we return as our phone lines are open

1289
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: for you at eight H three H five fifty. And

1290
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: how you feel the return of Michael Hoyd and Larry

1291
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 2: ogun Joby will help the Buffalo defense best. That's next

1292
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live stay with us in what

1293
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: area will the return of Michael Hoyd and Larry Ogunjoby

1294
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: helped the Bill's defense the most? Ato three H five

1295
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board. Right back to

1296
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: the phones, we go into Mark and Jersey City.

1297
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 15: What's up Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen. It was a jarring,

1298
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 15: jarring to watch Atlanta and San Francisco play last night

1299
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 15: and watch how much intensity all those backups on the

1300
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 15: forty nine Ers defense played with I mean in the

1301
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 15: caliber of players that they were missing, and the Bills

1302
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 15: just basically got steamrolled by Atlanta like I mean, path

1303
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 15: of least resistance. In the second half, they had gotten

1304
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 15: it together and then dubtailed the utilization of Cook and

1305
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 15: they paid him. He's their guy. He's got fourteen targets

1306
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 15: on the year, CMC has like three and over fifty

1307
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 15: catches and the Bills wide receiving cores. I mean, even

1308
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 15: when healthy, it's not even considered a top what fifteen unit,

1309
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 15: And so they're just lack of use of him, and

1310
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 15: that that's why he was brought here, the whole missing

1311
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 15: on the running back from Washington giving Josh a quick

1312
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 15: answer in the past game. And so by missing Kinkaid,

1313
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 15: they're that crippled in the passing game, or they're that

1314
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 15: when you lose Palmer, you're just completely I mean I

1315
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 15: love Brandon Bean, but he had a lot of humorous

1316
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 15: with the whole keyon Coleman pick and not taking a

1317
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 15: receiver high, and I mean that doesn't look good on him.

1318
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 5: You paid Cook used the guy MC's three four years

1319
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 5: older than Cook, and he had twenty three carries. He

1320
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 5: had ten ten targets last night or ten catches. He

1321
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 5: had a big part of their their game plan and

1322
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 5: they rode him. So I would just like to see

1323
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 5: whatever going on there change. I think with Hoyt and

1324
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 5: Ogunjoe be coming back though. My point in the beginning,

1325
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 5: just some intensity, some you know, just some violence, some physicality,

1326
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 5: and I think that's what CEB talks about with Shaq Thompson.

1327
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 5: Just some edge, some nasty Bills. Have too many of

1328
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 5: these nice guys. They really that's my one big complaint

1329
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 5: with their build. It's too much of this. We love

1330
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 5: each other, we play for each other. Need some Steve,

1331
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 5: you know this. You need some a holes. You just

1332
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 5: need some dudes that are just nasty. And maybe you

1333
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 5: don't like him, but man, when they suit up between

1334
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 5: the white lines, their hell on wheels. So thanks for

1335
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 5: taking my call, guys.

1336
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: Sure thing, Sure thing. Yeah. We talked last week about

1337
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: matching the emotional intensity of the opponent, and for the

1338
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: last three games we have not seen that. And you know,

1339
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: maybe it's a byproduct of hey, we've gotten to the

1340
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: playoffs the last five years in a row, and we're

1341
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: just wait for the postseason. But if you do that,

1342
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get to the postseason because you're gonna

1343
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: have lesser teams beating you. And that's what we saw

1344
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: on Monday Night in Week six, because they did not

1345
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: match the emotional intensity and constitution of the Falcons, and

1346
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: it showed. And yeah, Steve does know what it's like

1347
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: to have some guys who just don't care on your

1348
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: football team. And what a difference that makes in terms

1349
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: of charging everybody else.

1350
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's you're right, there's no good excuse or

1351
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: reason for lacking intensity. And you do need guys who

1352
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: don't care if you're playing darts or professional football. They're

1353
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: getting a fistfight over it. You need some guys like that.

1354
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: And but not for nothing. Don't forget. The Atlanta team

1355
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: that played last night in San Francisco was not the

1356
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: same Atlanta team that played against the Bills on Monday night.

1357
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: I mean they were the same guys, but they didn't

1358
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 3: play the same And it's a week to week league,

1359
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: and some games these guys it something clicks for him

1360
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: and they get energized and something goes. The trick is

1361
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: to try and show up like that every week, and

1362
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 3: guys like you're talking about help you do that, no

1363
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: question about it. And the Bills did not look like

1364
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: they showed up like that in the last couple of games.

1365
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: Maybe in the New England game they showed up pretty well,

1366
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: but not like the Atlanta Falcons did last Monday night,

1367
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: and certainly not like the San Francisco did last night

1368
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: against Atlanta at home. Some it helps, and you'll and

1369
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: you hear it. It's almost a it's cliche almost when

1370
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: these guys dredge up an insult or a disrespectful remark,

1371
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 3: or a media snipe, a snippet that is disrespectful or

1372
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 3: downplays their abilities, whatever it is, these guys grasp onto

1373
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: to help them dredge up some emotion to go in

1374
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: and play lights out against a team San Francisco heard nothing,

1375
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: But they have no shot against this Atlanta team. Their

1376
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 3: defense stinks, they're hurt. Those guys can't play, they don't

1377
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 3: have the bodies well, the guys that are actually playing

1378
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: in those spots. That's an enormous disrespect to them. So

1379
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: that's easy to dredge it up. Whether it's right or wrong,

1380
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 3: it's the reality of it. And that's why you see

1381
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: teams play differently from week to week to week through

1382
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 3: the NFL. You're right, this team did not show off

1383
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 3: the charts emotion in the last couple of games. They

1384
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 3: didn't show it in the last three or four games.

1385
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 3: They showed it in the fourth quarter of the Baltimore game, right,

1386
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 3: and they showed it in the first half of the

1387
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: Jet game.

1388
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1389
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 3: So it's whether it's hard to dredge it up or whatever.

1390
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: They got to find a way to tap into that.

1391
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: Maybe some new faces will help that, maybe the fact

1392
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: that now they're looking up at the Patriots will help

1393
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 3: that maybe they've been Maybe the fact that people have

1394
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: started to throw dirt on them and bury their season,

1395
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 3: maybe that'll help. But yeah, emotion and motivation counts. And

1396
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 3: I said this last week. I ranted a little bit

1397
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 3: at the end of last week before we took the

1398
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 3: bye week off on Wednesday, that if you're looking for

1399
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: somebody else, like a coach or somebody to fire you

1400
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: up before a game, you got the wrong guys on

1401
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: your team. That's why these guys look for things to

1402
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: self mode. They the kind of thing that motivates them.

1403
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 3: They look for it. They know what it is that

1404
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 3: motivates them, and they look to find it. Thurman was

1405
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: notorious for it. They wrote this unbelievably flattering article about

1406
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 3: him before one of the Super Bowls about how he

1407
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: was the best all around running back in the National

1408
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: Football League, and he twisted it into disrespectful. Why you

1409
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: got to qualify it? Why am I not the best

1410
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: running back in the National Football League? Why am i

1411
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 3: the best all around running back. He took it. He

1412
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 3: twisted it into total disrespect. Guys do that, Jordan did that?

1413
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 3: You got all the time you Yeah, they take and

1414
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: I took you know, I took it for personally. They

1415
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: do that. That's what self motivation is. Maybe the Bills

1416
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 3: could use a dose of it. Maybe Mark, you might

1417
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 3: be right, and I would say this, at some point

1418
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 3: they're going to and when they do, you're gonna be

1419
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: able to tell.

1420
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: I should mention here that when we mentioned at the

1421
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: top of the show that Bryce Young was not expected

1422
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: to play this weekend against the Bills, that was coming

1423
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: from NFL Networks Tom Pella Sero, who was reporting that,

1424
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: according to sources, that Bryce Young in fact has a

1425
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: high ankle sprain and is not going to play on Sunday.

1426
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 2: Head coach Dave Canalis of the Panthers at his press

1427
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: conference today said the Panthers are taking a day to

1428
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: day approach with Bryce Young's ankle injury. He would not

1429
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: confirm whether it was a high ankle sprain, and he

1430
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: would not confirm that Young is not playing on Sunday. Now,

1431
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: that's likely gamesmanship, but we're just letting you know what

1432
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: the team is saying and what NFL in siders are

1433
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: saying about young status for Sunday's game against the Bills.

1434
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: Just so it's crystal clear. Back to the phones we go,

1435
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: and to Diane in Clarence. What's up, Diane.

1436
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 16: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Steve. I want

1437
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 16: to first say thanks for stopping at our tailgate the

1438
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 16: Patriots game, smoking a stogy with you. It was awesome.

1439
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 4: You're welcome.

1440
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 16: Glad to see you out there, and I want to

1441
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 16: start off. I was very happy finally to see our

1442
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 16: special teams have a blocked field goal because I've been

1443
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 16: wondering when they were going to come up big. I

1444
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 16: think we need more of that. It was great to

1445
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 16: see when we're always seeing everybody else being able to

1446
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 16: do it and for whatever reason, we're not. I'm very

1447
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 16: much looking forward to the guys coming back. On defense,

1448
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 16: we definitely needed Matt Milano with his constant injuries is

1449
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 16: kind of concerning for me, and I really was hoping

1450
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 16: that Benford and Bernard We're going to really step up,

1451
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 16: and I didn't see that in the Atlanta game, so

1452
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 16: I'm hoping that changes depending on their injuries. And also

1453
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 16: just to touch quick on our offense. I believe to

1454
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 16: an extent the Bills always have a chance with Josh

1455
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 16: Allen at quarterback, but I believe that only goes to

1456
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 16: an extent. We need our receivers. Watching Flacco go in

1457
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 16: and beat the Steelers and he just pops in ten

1458
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 16: days at practice and he's popping off the Higgins and

1459
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 16: Chase and how come our guys are not getting open?

1460
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 16: Are they not doing their routes right? Is Josh not

1461
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 16: reading them right? But it was just very annoying, I

1462
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 16: guess to see that they're just plugging these plays and

1463
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 16: doing this, and we are a team that should be

1464
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 16: able to do this automatically. And my other concern is

1465
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 16: I'm starting to see all these great quarterbacks, these young

1466
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 16: guys coming up, and I'm hoping our window. I've never

1467
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 16: been this type of caller to be negative because I

1468
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 16: don't like that, but it's getting a little concerning that

1469
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 16: Like you got the Denver team, you got the Patriots,

1470
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 16: all these other quarterbacks are starting to click, and it's like,

1471
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 16: I just hope our window is not shortening here, that

1472
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 16: these guys need to understand they need to get going.

1473
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 16: And if it's going to be our year. They need

1474
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 16: to get out of the slump and get with it.

1475
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 16: And lastly, I just want to say thank goodness for

1476
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 16: James Cook. They absolutely did the right thing with signing him,

1477
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 16: because again, all these teams that are winning have great

1478
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 16: running games.

1479
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

1480
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 16: So I'll hang up and just hear what you guys

1481
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 16: have to say. Thank you, all.

1482
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 2: Right, thanks Diane a lot in there, but yeah, I mean, look,

1483
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: Cook got signed for big money for a reason, and

1484
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: I think that's why some members of the fan base

1485
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: would like to see more of them on the field,

1486
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: especially at the end of a game in which you

1487
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: are trailing. And we'll see if that changes this week.

1488
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 2: Maybe they took a long look at that through the

1489
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: bye week and said, you know what, the guy's too

1490
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: dynamic and athlete to not have as an option for

1491
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: Josh at the end of football games, especially if you're

1492
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: down two of your top five receiving targets in Dalton

1493
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: Kincaid and Josh Palmer by the end of a football game.

1494
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: You asked about Bernard's injury. It's listed as a day

1495
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: to day ankle injury, so hopefully that puts him at

1496
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: least in contention to be back in the lineup again

1497
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: this week. The more serious injuries were Palmer, who was

1498
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: week to week, and Daikwon Jones, who was listed as

1499
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: week to week with calf injury and an ankle injury respectively. Milano,

1500
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: Bernard Samuel Kincaid were considered day to day and that's

1501
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: when coach McDermott spoke last week. So hopefully their status

1502
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 2: is even improved coming off of that bye week for

1503
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 2: this week, and there is a chance. Coach McDermott said

1504
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: that Maxwell Harston's practice window of twenty one one days

1505
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,440
Speaker 2: will open this week, so we'll find out on Wednesday.

1506
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: So we're about forty eight hours away from finding out

1507
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: if and when that will happen. Uh, let's get back

1508
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: to the phones and to Ryan in Toronto. What's up?

1509
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 17: Ryan, Hey Christie, welcome back. Hope you guys had a

1510
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 17: great time time off. So Steve checking back on the

1511
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 17: Sampire game last night. I'm pretty sure Kyl Shanahan probably

1512
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 17: had his team pumped up pay against his former team,

1513
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 17: Atlanta Parkins one number two. I think, well, the defense,

1514
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 17: the offense needs to get fixed asaps we get assually,

1515
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 17: they got Kaylank on deck and they got Casey after that,

1516
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 17: I don't even know how this defense going to stop

1517
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,799
Speaker 17: those while you with and Casey's offense. I think mcgermant

1518
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 17: should start to start taking over play calling for defense,

1519
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 17: and to be honest, Joe Brady, I don't care how

1520
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 17: many police go to the last four games against those teams.

1521
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 17: Those things all below five hundred. You've got team that's

1522
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 17: coming up, Caroline are three and oh at home and

1523
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 17: they have above five hundred. You got Casey coming up.

1524
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 17: I think Joe Brady needs to go. You got two

1525
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 17: courteous on the side end of city at home, Frank

1526
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 17: Grant or Frank Rich and Dug Paterson repeats with Brady

1527
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 17: and this opens will pop. Thanks what they make car guys.

1528
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: All right, Ryan, Ryan would have been far more sweeping

1529
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: with this change during the bye week if he had

1530
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: his way.

1531
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there we've There's been some conversation on social

1532
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: media in Bill's fan base and the Bill's mafia about

1533
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 3: McDermott taking over play calling duties because they feel like

1534
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: that might make a difference. I don't know if it's

1535
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: that as much as it is the level of play

1536
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: they're getting from the guys. I think the players would

1537
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: blame themselves.

1538
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: Coach McDermott was asked about that last week and he

1539
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: did say he's got the utmost confidence in Bobby Babbage

1540
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 2: to call the defense for this football team. So the

1541
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: vote of confidence was given when he was asked about it.

1542
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: For what it's worth, right, and a couple of a

1543
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: couple of bad games from the offense, I'll although I

1544
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 3: don't know they turned it over. I mean, that's the thing,

1545
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 3: and they're and they're getting penalties. Now you can say

1546
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 3: what you want about coaching having something to do with

1547
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: the penalties, about lack of discipline and all that, but

1548
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: that has reared its head only in the last couple

1549
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 3: of weeks time. So i'm i'm. You know, the penalties

1550
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 3: and the and the turnovers have been the difference in

1551
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 3: what the Bills have been doing. And I know we

1552
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: have a lot of faith in Josh and this off

1553
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: and all the stuff that's going on. But the margin

1554
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: of arr is is only so much for every team.

1555
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: Even the Chiefs will tell you their margin of arr

1556
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 3: isn't you know, isn't huge. You got to play well.

1557
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: The Bills haven't played well, and they have altered their

1558
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 3: recipe by being you know self saboteurs with their own

1559
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: penalties and their turnovers. That's a problem. So if they

1560
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: fix that, I don't think anybody's gonna say anything at

1561
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 3: all about Bobby Babbage or Joe Brady and their play calling.

1562
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: So you can say what you want now the turnovers

1563
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: and you know they the bad handoff on the end

1564
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 3: around and they fall on that themselves, but still it's

1565
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: a loss. Now it is third and whatever, you know,

1566
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: so you've got all that or fourth and whatever. So

1567
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: you've got all that going on.

1568
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 4: But I'm.

1569
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm not ready to go down to throw

1570
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: the coordinator out. You know, the defensive play calling. You know,

1571
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 3: all that stuff is at a very that's high level stuff.

1572
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 3: And if Sean McDermott sees a problem, I get it,

1573
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: but I don't until that happens, I don't think that's

1574
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: going to be the issue. I think you need the

1575
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 3: issues between the lines with the guys that actually wear

1576
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 3: helmets right now. I think that's where the issue is.

1577
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to Alex in North Carolina. What's up, Alex?

1578
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 18: Hey, guys, appreciate you taking my call. Just had a

1579
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 18: couple of questions and I know It's been talked about

1580
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 18: a lot over the last few weeks, but Christ and Steve,

1581
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 18: I was real curious to see what you guys are

1582
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 18: seeing on tape because there's a lot on that all

1583
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 18: twenty two we can't see on the broadcast. But people

1584
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 18: talk about the receivers and the separation. I'm honestly curious

1585
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 18: if the separation is that bad. And also along with

1586
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 18: that is what kind of defenses are teams playing against

1587
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 18: the Bills. As people have been asking for the deep ball.

1588
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 18: We talk about these teams playing these too high shells

1589
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 18: and all this other kind of stuff, But then we

1590
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 18: also talk about our receivers not getting separations. So are

1591
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 18: they not seeing the zones? Are they not sitting in

1592
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 18: the zones? Are are teams not playing too high shells?

1593
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 18: Like I'm just kind of curious about all that because

1594
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 18: and then I hate to compare to other teams, but

1595
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 18: again we see these other teams where their receivers find

1596
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 18: gaps or are I guess are schemed dope, And it

1597
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 18: just hasn't seemed to be there even when we were

1598
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 18: winning games.

1599
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair question, Alex. I mean I would say it's

1600
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: been a mixed bag. But because the run game is

1601
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 2: so successful, sometimes they will bring extra box defenders. I

1602
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: know James Cook through the of this season has seen

1603
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 2: an average of seven point five to six boxes in

1604
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: terms of number of players in the box a little

1605
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: over seven and a half, so that means he's seeing

1606
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: a fair share of eight man boxes. So there are

1607
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: times where the opposing defense will go single safety high

1608
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: and bring an extra defender into the box to try

1609
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: to slow down Buffalo's very potent rushing attack. But there

1610
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: are other times where they'll just try to roll the

1611
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: dice and say we'd rather bleed slowly by giving up

1612
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: seven and eight yard carries to James Cook rather than

1613
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: have Josh throw it over our heads and score a

1614
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: touchdown on a three play scoring drive. That's been the

1615
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: general approach. I'm not going to have the percentages in

1616
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 2: front of me right now. As for separation, though, Steve,

1617
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: there are times when receivers are running open and where

1618
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: Joe Brady has successfully schemed receivers open and Josh has

1619
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: left the pocket prematurely when he doesn't necessarily have to.

1620
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 2: That that's not happening a lot of the time, but

1621
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: it is happening some of the time. I mean I

1622
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 2: distinctly remember the game here against the Saints where you've

1623
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: got Curtis Samuel running a deep corner route to the

1624
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 2: far side of the field and Josh leaves the pocket prematurely,

1625
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: and because of that and he takes over to the

1626
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: opposite side of the field, he never sees Samuel breaking open.

1627
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 2: If he stays in the pocket an extra half second,

1628
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: Samuel's wide open for a touchdown on a corner route

1629
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: in the back left corner of the end zone. So

1630
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: there are instances where that is happening as well. So

1631
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: that's an example of receivers are getting separation. But because

1632
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: Josh leaves the pocket prematurely, the play doesn't manifest itself

1633
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: even though it's drawn up well and executed.

1634
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's the problem is this, It's never one problem,

1635
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 3: it's never the same thing.

1636
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: It's everything.

1637
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: It's everything. And what helps is like, for instance, early

1638
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 3: in the Atlanta game, they hit Josh Palmer deep right,

1639
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 3: remember the play over the top. All of a sudden,

1640
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 3: the defense starts playing different though Josh Palmer's off the field.

1641
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 3: Then he's hurt, and I was like, oh, now you know,

1642
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 3: so now everything changes. Then again you beat him and

1643
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 3: the other thinging. Okay, now we're not forget it. We're

1644
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 3: doing two shell and James Cook is gonna run all

1645
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 3: over seventeen carries eighty seven yards and we got to

1646
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: do something different defensively, Well, Josh Palmer's not on the field. Okay,

1647
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: single high, see what you can do. And then our

1648
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 3: pass rush turns loose. So they've it's never one thing.

1649
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 3: It's it's always changing, and the problems and the challenges

1650
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 3: are changing as well, because the other team's actively doing

1651
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 3: this too, and they've got some pretty good dudes over there,

1652
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: and they've got strengths and weaknesses that other teams don't.

1653
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 3: You gotta contend with those. It's ever changing game to game,

1654
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 3: series to series. So to say the Bills wide receivers

1655
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: aren't getting separation, yeah maybe on this series, yeah, or

1656
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: maybe on this series, and then two series later they

1657
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: again they can't get separation. But between them they're doing fine.

1658
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 3: But the pass rush is there. It's always long down

1659
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 3: and it's always a different scenario and you've got to

1660
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 3: stay on top of it, and you gotta have answers.

1661
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 3: And the Bills and these games, these last couple of games,

1662
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 3: you come up with an answer, and all of a sudden,

1663
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 3: your receiver drops it inside the yard line. Now you know,

1664
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 3: now you're in a different situation game wise, game man.

1665
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 3: Now you're all of a sudden you're down ten points,

1666
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 3: and everything's different. So it's never just one thing on

1667
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 3: this And it's easy to sweep everything with a broad

1668
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 3: brush because you see one play where it's where it's

1669
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 3: glaring what the problem is, and you can tend to

1670
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: over administer that problem is to every place else. It's

1671
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 3: not really the case.

1672
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: Break time. It's hard.

1673
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 3: It's a hard game.

1674
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, Mike and Mississippi will lead

1675
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 2: us off when we return here on a Buffalo Football

1676
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: Monday on One Bill's Live. All right back to the

1677
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: phones here on One Bill's Live on a Buffalo Football Monday,

1678
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and you are asking

1679
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: you today in what area will the return of Michael

1680
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: Hoyt and Larry Ogunjoby help the Bills defense the most?

1681
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: And as promised to Mike in Mississippi, what's up?

1682
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Mike?

1683
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 19: Hey, thanks for taking my college. Uh you guys make

1684
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 19: my drive my six hour drive on Monday mornings.

1685
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 3: Uh, very fast, happy to help.

1686
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 19: Thanks Yeah, one of the things that you know has

1687
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 19: been brought up is the intensity of the defense. And uh,

1688
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 19: one of the things I noticed in the last game,

1689
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 19: after being shredded the first half, we only let up

1690
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 19: one hundred and three yards and three points the second half.

1691
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 19: And one of the things I noticed was two players

1692
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 19: who are known for intensity were out there, Joe and

1693
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 19: Dreesen and Jordan Ployer. And I was wondering if anybody

1694
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 19: had looked at the snap counts for those two guys

1695
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 19: for the first and second half.

1696
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: No, but it was purely due to injury. Bernard had

1697
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 2: left with an ankle injur and Cole Bishop was suffering

1698
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 2: from muscle cramps and could not get rid of them

1699
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 2: and couldn't return to the game. So those two guys

1700
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: were playing mainly because of injured starters in front of

1701
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 2: them on the depth chart.

1702
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 19: I understand, but they're going into the game could have

1703
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 19: had an impact. And I was just wondering what you

1704
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 19: thought about that, having two guys like that, Because somebody

1705
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 19: brought up earlier the intensity of the San Francisco backups

1706
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 19: right and how they were able to handle Atlanta. Our

1707
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 19: backups come in two of our more intense players and

1708
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 19: we do better. Is their connection.

1709
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 2: It's possible. Sure, it's possible. And I'll just tell you

1710
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: play plates time snaps first, as far as Poyer's concerned,

1711
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: he got eighteen snaps on defense, which was twenty six

1712
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 2: percent of the defensive snaps, and then Andresen got all

1713
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: of eight which was eleven percent of the defensive snaps

1714
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: because shak Thompson took over as the guy with the

1715
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: green dot at middle linebacker when Bernard first went out

1716
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: of the game.

1717
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: For what it's worth, that and the stuff you're asking about,

1718
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest with you. I remember it as

1719
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 3: a player, and players will tell you it's it's kind

1720
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 3: of obvious maybe when you're in the in the room,

1721
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 3: in the in the locker room, and on the sidelines

1722
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: and in the meetings and on the practice field. But

1723
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: you're talking about I mean talking you know, I can't

1724
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: really comment on what the feel of those guys is

1725
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: in the locker room. It's you're talking about really specific

1726
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 3: stuff that changes on a day to day, week to

1727
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 3: week basis about how fired up a guy is. You

1728
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 3: know what a guy going back to play an old

1729
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 3: team or a guy coming back off injury or a

1730
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 3: guy who had an article written about him that was unflattering.

1731
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about emotional situations that are you know,

1732
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 3: like change all the time just because they're emotions, right,

1733
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: So it's hard to get that. You only have you

1734
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: see and we see the symptoms of it. You could

1735
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 3: have a head coach like McDermott could say, man, I

1736
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 3: thought the guys were a little too amped up for

1737
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: this game. You know that kind of stuff. You have

1738
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 3: to be in the room, in the meetings, in our

1739
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: practice field with these guys to see this kind of

1740
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: change week to week. For us, all we do is

1741
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 3: see the symptoms of it on a game and maybe

1742
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 3: over a course of three or four plays say, I

1743
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 3: don't know if these guys are into it or whatever,

1744
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 3: and it may just be one or two guys. So

1745
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 3: you're talking about a really specific evaluation that nobody can

1746
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: really make and we can only ask about after the fact, right.

1747
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 3: So you know, yes, it's extremely important, and they spend

1748
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 3: some time thinking about it and trying to you know,

1749
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: trying to manipulate it in the positive way. But you know,

1750
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 3: you're you're talking about something that's really esoteric and kind

1751
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 3: of wispy and kind of you know, it's and every

1752
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 3: team's differ, you know. So, yeah, you need guys that

1753
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 3: seem to be motivated all the time, like those guys

1754
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, these guys that you know they'll

1755
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 3: fist fight you over a game of darts. Yeah, you

1756
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 3: do need a couple of those guys in the room.

1757
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 7: Uh.

1758
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:19,839
Speaker 3: But as far as the team wide emotional the emotional

1759
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 3: level of a team going into a game, man, oh man, yeah, yeah,

1760
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 3: you're that's an impossible evaluation from somebody that's not one

1761
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 3: of the players.

1762
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. Hour number two, when we return,

1763
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: will begin with John Breech, CBS Sports NFL analyst. We'll

1764
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 2: kind of recap what Week seven told us about the

1765
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 2: NFL with him when we return here on One Bill's Live,

1766
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 2: presented by Colid of Health's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: These One Bills Live presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, our number three here in a Buffalo Football Monday,

1769
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker review please to be joined now

1770
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: by CBS Sports NFL writer John Breach to kind of

1771
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 2: help do a whip around the league here in Week seven,

1772
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: Knowing that the Bills were idle and John. First, thanks

1773
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 2: for the time. Second, I think the two biggest things

1774
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: to come out of Week seven, at least as it

1775
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: pertains to the Bills directly. One, partially due to their

1776
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: own shortcomings, they're looking at the Patriots in the AFC East,

1777
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 2: and part two, they might be playing a Panthers team

1778
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: without their starting quarterback this weekend.

1779
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 20: Yeah, dev definitely. Both of those things are interesting.

1780
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 21: And it's been so long since the Bills have really

1781
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 21: had to look up to anyone in the division because

1782
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 21: they've been so dominant for so long. But I think

1783
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 21: when you look at what the Patriots did on Sunday

1784
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 21: against the Titans, this is what you have to do

1785
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 21: if you want to be a good team in the NFL,

1786
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 21: you have to destroy the bad teams and win the

1787
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 21: games you're supposed to win. And that's what New England did. Yes,

1788
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 21: they got a little bit of a scare there early.

1789
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 21: I think they fell behind ten to three, but after

1790
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 21: that it was just total domination.

1791
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 20: And the other thing is just watching Drake May.

1792
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 21: When you see that he's breaking franchise records that are

1793
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 21: held by Tom Brady, that automatically raises your eyebrows. When

1794
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 21: he's completing more than ninety percent of his passes, and

1795
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 21: he's been doing that consistently, and he's completed more than

1796
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 21: seventy percent of his passes for the entire season. So

1797
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 21: when you start to feel like you have that true

1798
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 21: franchise quarterback, you really start feeling like you can competing,

1799
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 21: especially in a division where Josh Allen has been the

1800
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 21: top guy for so long. So yeah, the Patriots thing

1801
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 21: absolutely interesting. And with the Panthers, it is Andy Dalton time.

1802
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 21: That's what it feels like this week against the Bills.

1803
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 21: And when you're a Bills fan, you're a fan of

1804
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 21: any team around the NFL, one of the first things

1805
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 21: you do when you get that schedule in mad you

1806
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 21: go down, you look at it, you.

1807
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 20: Try and find the games you think you're gonna win.

1808
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 21: And I'm sure every Bills fan pointed that Panthers game

1809
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 21: and said, yeah, this feels like one they should absolutely win.

1810
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 21: But now going into it, it's a little bit of

1811
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 21: a different dynamic because it's not just Andy Dalton. You've

1812
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 21: had Rico O'Donnell emerge over the past few weeks. He's

1813
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 21: been one of the top rushers in the NFL, and

1814
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:45,759
Speaker 21: you look at that Bills defense.

1815
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 20: It's really struggled to stop the run.

1816
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 21: So if the Panthers go in there and start just

1817
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 21: feeding ric O'Donnell, it might not matter who the quarterback

1818
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 21: is in the games in Carolina where the Panthers haven't

1819
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 21: lost yet, So that definitely adds a little interesting layer

1820
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 21: to that game.

1821
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 3: The fact that Dalton comes in. I told Brownie this earlier.

1822
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 3: I don't really consider Dalton a backup. He's more of

1823
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 3: an aging starter. He hasn't had a chance to play

1824
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 3: very much over the cut, but they brought him in

1825
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 3: to be a mentor for Bryce Young. Is there a

1826
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 3: possibility that this offense may perform better and at least

1827
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 3: in some areas with Dalton a quarterback than they did

1828
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 3: under Bryce Young.

1829
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1830
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 21: Absolutely, And I think we saw it last year when

1831
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 21: Bryce Young went down.

1832
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 20: Andy Dalton came.

1833
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 21: In in the one game where he was great threw

1834
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 21: over three hundred yards. Was that first game that he played.

1835
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 21: It was against the Raiders. And it's because you really

1836
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 21: don't know what the offense is going to look like

1837
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 21: with Andy Dalton running it. Dave Canallis might say, you

1838
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 21: know what we have Andy Dalton. He understands the offense.

1839
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 20: Let's go out and throw it thirty times and test

1840
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 20: the Bills.

1841
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,560
Speaker 21: Or he might just say stick to the run. And

1842
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 21: like you said, Andy Dalton isn't a backup quarterback. He's

1843
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 21: a guy who has plenty of starting experience. Took the

1844
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 21: Bengals of the playoffs five straight times at the beginning

1845
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 21: of his career. So he's played in big games against

1846
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 21: big teams, and he's gonna have his eyes out. How

1847
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 21: do you get your name back on the map. You

1848
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 21: pull a huge upset over the Buffalo Bill. So I

1849
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 21: would not underestimate Andy Dalton because it does seem like

1850
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 21: he's always good for two or three big games a

1851
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 21: season when he gets a chance, and I'm sure he

1852
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 21: would love to have one of those big games come

1853
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 21: against Buffalo.

1854
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: All right, So elsewhere around the league, you got a

1855
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 2: yo yo team and the Giants that you know, loses

1856
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 2: on the road to the Saints, beats the Eagles, and

1857
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: then blows a colossal, colossal nineteen point lead in the

1858
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, giving up thirty three points to the Broncos.

1859
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 2: We've already talked about coaching hot seats, Brian Dables, seats

1860
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 2: getting a lot hotter, maybe as hot as Mike McDaniels.

1861
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, this is it is almost impossible to blow

1862
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 21: a lead like this in the NFL. You're up nineteen

1863
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 21: to nothing in the fourth quarter, you're up twenty six

1864
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 21: to eight with six minutes left in the game. There's

1865
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 21: a reason we almost never see leads like this get blown,

1866
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 21: and it's because everything has to go against you. It

1867
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 21: has to be a perfect confluence of events. And that's

1868
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 21: really what happened here with the Giants. Whether it was

1869
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 21: Jackson darts interception, their kicker missing two extra points, the

1870
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 21: fact that their defense could not stop anyone and so

1871
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 21: for have that all kind of happened against you in

1872
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 21: the fourth quarter. And I know the Broncos deservedly are

1873
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 21: getting a lot of credit for winning this game, but

1874
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 21: it absolutely feels like the Giants lost this game. And

1875
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 21: it's really too bad because if they win this game,

1876
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 21: they would be three and four right now instead of

1877
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 21: two and five, and you would really be looking at

1878
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 21: them as legitimate potential wildcard contender in the NFC. They

1879
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 21: had that big win over the Eagles a couple weeks ago,

1880
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 21: and to turn around and beat the Broncos in Week seven,

1881
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 21: that would have told you, hey, look, this team is

1882
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 21: beating a five and two Eagles team what would have

1883
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 21: been a four to three Broncos team if they lost.

1884
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 21: But now instead it feels like they're season is kind

1885
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 21: of spiraling out of control. So they'll have a chance

1886
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 21: to turn things around against the Eagles this week, but

1887
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 21: this is about it devastating as a loss that you

1888
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 21: can have in the NFL.

1889
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: One of the I think the biggest surprise team in

1890
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 3: the league this year's got to be the Indianapolis Colt

1891
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 3: six and one now after beating a Chargers team that

1892
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 3: was four and two coming into that game, at the

1893
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 3: Chargers going on the road, They're they're operating at an

1894
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 3: incredibly high offensive level right now, and really the only

1895
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: difference from one year to the next had been Daniel Jones.

1896
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 3: Give us a little synopsis of why it's turned around

1897
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 3: in such a huge way for the Colts.

1898
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,879
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm gonna give a lot of credit to Shane Stiken.

1899
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 21: He's kind of developed the perfect offense for Daniel Jones's

1900
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 21: skill set.

1901
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 20: You look at what they do, I mean, they do everything.

1902
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 21: It's Jonathan Taylor having a huge year leading the NFL

1903
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 21: and rushing.

1904
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 20: So when you have a running back that good.

1905
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 21: Well, Now, Shane Stiken says, let's implement a lot of

1906
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 21: play action and every team has to bite on that

1907
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,879
Speaker 21: because you have to take Jonathan Taylor getting the ball seriously.

1908
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 21: You can't just let him run all over you. And

1909
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 21: the other thing is Daniel Jones just not making mistakes.

1910
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 21: I think that is kind of thing that no one

1911
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 21: could account for in the offseason. What's gonna happen when

1912
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 21: he's throwing the balls? There are gonna be a lot

1913
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 21: of interceptions. Can he get his guy, can he get

1914
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 21: the ball to his guys like Michael Pittman, or is

1915
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 21: he gonna be throwing it into the ground. What's his

1916
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 21: accuracy gonna look like? And Daniel Jones is playing absolutely

1917
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 21: out of his mind. He throws the ball when he

1918
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 21: needs to, he can take off and run when he

1919
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 21: needs to. And so the Colts have really looked like

1920
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 21: the best team in the NFL through the first seven weeks.

1921
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 21: Now is this sustainable? Can Daniel Jones play like this

1922
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 21: for seventeen straight weeks? I don't know, but he's done

1923
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 21: it for seven straight weeks, which is impressive enough. So

1924
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 21: if he can keep this up, maybe the Colts end

1925
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 21: up getting that number one seed, which is where they're

1926
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 21: locked into right.

1927
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 2: Now, and then the Chiefs, after a disastrous zero and

1928
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 2: two start, are looking like the Chiefs again. And it

1929
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 2: was amazing to see that last week was the first

1930
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 2: time that they had Hollywood Brown, Rashi Rice, and Xavier

1931
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 2: Worthy all in all in the lineup at the same time,

1932
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 2: because they've all been missing time due to injuries over

1933
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 2: the last year plus or suspension, and they got all

1934
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 2: the bullets in the chamber, and I mean they make

1935
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 2: it look uncomfortably easy for them to put up points.

1936
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 2: I know, Max Crosby got hurt in that game, so

1937
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 2: the Raiders essentially had no pass rush. But still in all,

1938
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 2: it was a walk yesterday. You know, Mahomes has a

1939
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: baseball hat on the fourth quarter.

1940
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 21: Yeah, anytime the quarterback gets benched in the fourth quarter

1941
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 21: for a blowout that they're winning, that's not something you

1942
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 21: see too often. But it's interesting because when you look

1943
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 21: back to say Week three, the Chargers were sitting at

1944
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 21: three and zero, the Chiefs were struggling. We were all

1945
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 21: debating about whether the dynasty was over and this was

1946
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 21: going to be the year that the Chiefs finally lost

1947
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 21: the AFC West, and it really felt like no one

1948
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 21: there was worried about anything. It was one of those

1949
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 21: things where you could almost feel Andy Reid sensing, Hey,

1950
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 21: once we're fully healthy, this offense is one of the

1951
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 21: best in the NFL, if not the best, and we

1952
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 21: will go out and prove that. And Sunday against the

1953
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 21: Raiders was the first time where they really had a

1954
01:40:58,840 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 21: chance to prove it.

1955
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 20: And that's what happened.

1956
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 21: I mean, the offense, when everyone's healthy, everyone's out in

1957
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,560
Speaker 21: the field, everyone's back from suspension, it looks as unstoppable

1958
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 21: as it has for the past few years. So again,

1959
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 21: the Chiefs really look like the way they played Sunday,

1960
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 21: one of the best three best teams in the AFC,

1961
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 21: if not the best team. If this is the Chiefs team,

1962
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 21: we're gonna get over the next few weeks. And it

1963
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 21: wasn't just the offense. Really, the defense played its most

1964
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 21: impressive game of the season. I don't think the Chiefs

1965
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 21: had shut out an opponent since twenty eleven, so we're

1966
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 21: talking about something that hadn't happened in fourteen years. And

1967
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 21: I know the Raiders aren't great, but anytime you pitch

1968
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 21: a shutout in twenty twenty five.

1969
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:33,480
Speaker 20: That's an impressive performance.

1970
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 3: So one question here about the AFC East and the

1971
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins. Are I mean, they got beat by the Browns,

1972
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 3: who are now two and five. Are they that bad?

1973
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 21: It really feels like it just seems like every time

1974
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 21: you think they might be able to turn things around,

1975
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 21: there's a new problem. I mean, obviously, going into the season,

1976
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 21: there was gonna be a lot of pressure on Tuatagavaloa

1977
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,600
Speaker 21: to kind of prove he was that franchise quarterback. And

1978
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 21: if you have a franchise quarterback, you need him to

1979
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 21: be the guy who kind of initiates that turnaround. And

1980
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 21: so when you're going and you're facing another one win

1981
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 21: team like the Browns, you want your quarterback to perform.

1982
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 20: Well he did, and he threw three interceptions. Two of

1983
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 20: them were his fault.

1984
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 21: The one in the end zone was just absolutely brutal.

1985
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 21: You can't throw that pick. And so now there's just

1986
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,560
Speaker 21: question marks surrounding the whole entire organization. You start with

1987
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 21: Mike McDaniel, how long is he gonna last?

1988
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 20: You look at Tua.

1989
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 21: His contract is pretty iron clad at least through next season.

1990
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 21: So you're kind of stuck with him, But what do

1991
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,600
Speaker 21: you do if he keeps regressing? You're gonna have to

1992
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 21: reinvent your whole entire offense. So I would say the

1993
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 21: Dolphins are that bad. I do not see them improving

1994
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 21: or competing in the AFCs this year.

1995
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of their few bright spots, Darren Waller,

1996
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 2: the tight end who came out of retirement now as

1997
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 2: a strained peck and is weak to weak, may not

1998
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 2: even play this coming week for them as they sit

1999
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 2: at one and six Right now, the Jets and Dolphins

2000
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 2: have the first two pick and the DRAGA the season

2001
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 2: ended today.

2002
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if the Jets are worse than the

2003
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: Dolphins or not despite the one win the Dolphins managed

2004
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 3: to get.

2005
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know either, John Listen, we appreciate the

2006
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 2: time as always, Thanks for giving some of yours to

2007
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 2: us and recap in Week seven as we were all

2008
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 2: on the couch during the bye for the Bills.

2009
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Speaker 20: Yep, thanks for having me guys.

2010
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: All right, that's John Breech, senior NFL writer for CEBA Sports,

2011
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just always good to get the ten

2012
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 2: thousand foot view of the league and not just our

2013
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: Bills myopic view of the league from someone who covers it.

2014
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 2: So thanks to John for some of his perspective. Got

2015
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 2: to get back to the phones at eight O three

2016
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Speaker 2: oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five

2017
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: fifty where we are asking you today with the return

2018
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: of Michael Hoyt and Larry Ogin joby in what area

2019
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 2: do you believe they will help the Bills defense? The

2020
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 2: most open lines for you? At eight O three oh

2021
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, we go

2022
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 2: to Butcher on the West Side. Next, what's up Butcher?

2023
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 4: My brother's from another mother, beautiful mother. I appreciate you

2024
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 4: taking my call. I love MSG love W John to

2025
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 4: all the fans who listen and watch this beautiful show.

2026
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 4: I love each and every morning. I'm gonna get right

2027
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 4: to it. What I'm gonna say is I'm not gonna

2028
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 4: be along with them and be very short, but it's

2029
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 4: gonna be at like a long text. What I'm gonna

2030
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 4: say is this, I'm gonna stay a start on offensively.

2031
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 4: So the season we have now, with eleven games left,

2032
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 4: it's got to be very simple.

2033
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 3: This is this is it.

2034
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 4: This is the last shot of it. And this is it.

2035
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 4: We have to on the offensive side of the ball.

2036
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 4: I have to understand that we have one of the

2037
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 4: best players in the NFL and our scheme offensively, it's

2038
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 4: not up to the individual who is getting quote paid

2039
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 4: to call the play. Better, look at what you have

2040
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 4: who's going to actually dictate the action of the play,

2041
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 4: and respect that person first, because you start getting in

2042
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 4: to your own agenda of how you design a play.

2043
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:10,879
Speaker 4: Respect Josh Allen, Respect Cook Cook right now for the rest.

2044
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 3: Of the season.

2045
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 4: Eleven games is a three down back period now less.

2046
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 4: He raises his finger up and he says, I need

2047
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 4: a break. The start right there. If you can start

2048
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 4: right there, we got an opportunity to put points on

2049
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,759
Speaker 4: the board defensively, whether Mike and Leary come back personally,

2050
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 4: if you ask me, just me, this is my opinion.

2051
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 4: I don't really believe it's going to be able to

2052
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 4: make make major difference. This might be a little better,

2053
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 4: it's not gonna make a different. Reason why I say that,

2054
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 4: and I think you for take him a call, is

2055
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 4: this fifteen years of the four to two five defensive

2056
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 4: system has not worked. But one time, really in Super

2057
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 4: Bowl fifty, when the Panthers went and they lost. They

2058
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 4: gave up twenty four points that game. Ever since then,

2059
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 4: we've been running this four two five in Buffalo. Scheme wise,

2060
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 4: when Leslie was here, we played again against the Kansas

2061
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 4: City Chiefs thirteen second. Sean took over his baby in

2062
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 4: the last thirteen and we lost that game going into

2063
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. Not blaming Sewn, not blaming Lesson. I'm

2064
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 4: blaming his scheme after fifteen years, these other thirty one

2065
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:20,719
Speaker 4: other teams, defensive coordinators, friends of theirs side, people who retire, coaches,

2066
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 4: who know the coaches that coach these teams, that watch tape,

2067
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 4: they know how to beat this defense. A lot of

2068
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 4: times I've been listening that the players are not motivated.

2069
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,520
Speaker 4: I don't believe that. I believe the players are motivated.

2070
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 4: I just really believe the players don't believe until in

2071
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 4: this scheme anymore, and they play lacks of days ago.

2072
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 4: This is why when I see a Stiege say, based

2073
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 4: off when he was playing, you didn't have to fire

2074
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 4: somebody up, you know what I mean, You got to

2075
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 4: be ready to play or get the hell out of town,

2076
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 4: just like Bill polis To say. I respect that, but

2077
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 4: I really believe. They don't believe in this scheme, just

2078
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 4: like I don't believe in this game as a fan

2079
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 4: who's been a fan for sixty sixty years, called on

2080
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 4: the radio station for forty years. Like we like, we

2081
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 4: know football, even though we not like Steve who actually

2082
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 4: had a jersey nationally participated, we know the game because

2083
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:12,600
Speaker 4: we see the game offensively. It's the same way that

2084
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 4: schames no sense of Brandon being on to go out

2085
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 4: and get a wide receiver by by trading deadline. You

2086
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 4: know why, because it's not gonna be able to be

2087
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 4: schemed up to for that player to be actually into

2088
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 4: the office, just like we did a Marie Cooper last year.

2089
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 4: Marie was not a bum when we got Mari. He

2090
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 4: just wants to scheme on the down Fune skins because

2091
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 4: our office of coordinator doesn't really know how to do that.

2092
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 4: Like like you said, thanks for thinking about called Brownie.

2093
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 4: You just said it a minute ago. You were talking

2094
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 4: about my guy number one running down the field. Josh, Damon,

2095
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 4: Sam and Po. Let me explain something. You're right by

2096
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,799
Speaker 4: what you see in that boot, Brownie, but let's understand

2097
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 4: something prior to the snap, the play wasn't even supposed

2098
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 4: to go to him. In the first play, Josh might

2099
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 4: have scrambled out to try to find a guy that

2100
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 4: he really wanted to go to st on the call

2101
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 4: from upstairs. Not saying that that's hypothetical, I'm just speaking

2102
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 4: on that. So for me, my thing going forward, I

2103
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 4: don't want to sound redundant, is that we have to

2104
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 4: put the ball in Josh, find out what personnel he wants,

2105
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 4: and lead Cook on the field. He's the three down

2106
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 4: back right now for the rest of the eleven games. Defensively,

2107
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 4: they got to try to figure out something to try

2108
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 4: to stop the bleeding. But I don't believe defensive wise,

2109
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 4: believe it's gonna be any better with Larry and Mike.

2110
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my call, guys. I love you guys,

2111
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 4: and have a great day.

2112
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 2: All right, Butch, you might be surprised to know that

2113
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 2: the Bills so far this season on defense have played

2114
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 2: almost twenty five percent of their snaps in base four

2115
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 2: to three, which is the highest percentage by far. So, yes,

2116
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 2: they still play, you know, the nickel more than anything else.

2117
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: Right now, the Bills are playing sixty two point four

2118
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 2: percent of their snaps defensively in nickel and right now

2119
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 2: that ranks. Let me see here, eighteenth in the league.

2120
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 2: You got seventeen other teams playing nickel more than them.

2121
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: So if it doesn't work, tell me why all those

2122
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 2: other teams are playing so much of it? You know

2123
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, yeah, you.

2124
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 3: The scheme evolves from the players. If if you've got

2125
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 3: a better eleven players in base than you do in nickel,

2126
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: that's what you play. You play bass. Nobody plays nickel

2127
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 3: because they've got they played defense worse, particularly against the

2128
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 3: matchup league like it is, So teams will play put

2129
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 3: the eleven guys out there that give them the best

2130
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 3: chance to win, and whether it turns out to be

2131
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 3: a four to two, four to two five, or a

2132
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:47,839
Speaker 3: four to three, it's it's it's dictated by the players

2133
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 3: on that roster. So the scheme figures itself out. So yeah,

2134
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, you were You were all over the map there, Butcher,

2135
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I get it. And maybe Ogan, Jobey and

2136
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 3: Hoyt won't help, but I think they're like I say

2137
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 3: all the time, better players make you better, and these

2138
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 3: two guys we have reason to believe they're better players.

2139
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick look at the tweet sheet as we,

2140
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 2: you know, try to get some other answers that you

2141
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 2: have on the Twitter side of things, and I got

2142
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 2: to actually pull that up here, So okay, so we'll

2143
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 2: take a look at that tweets sheet brought to you

2144
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 2: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

2145
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. T Bieber says, tough to say what

2146
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 2: area the return of Hoyt and Oga Jobi will help

2147
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: the defense the most in they only play thirty three

2148
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:46,600
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps in a heavy rotation McDermott style defense. Well,

2149
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can say that when you

2150
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 2: haven't seen them in a Bill's defense yet. That's kind

2151
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 2: of an assumption on your part based on past practice,

2152
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 2: and what we have seen more of is frontline star

2153
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 2: or playing a greater percentage of the total snap count.

2154
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 2: It is not the rotation that it used to be.

2155
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: You got guys like Ed Oliver playing upwards of sixty

2156
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 2: five to seventy percent of the snaps at times.

2157
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 3: So it's becoming obvious too. If they have players who

2158
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:23,760
Speaker 3: emerge as being markedly better, they play more, much more.

2159
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 3: That has become more evident, and the fact that they

2160
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 3: do continue to rotate players in will tell you what

2161
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 3: you need to know about the drop off they think

2162
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 3: they get when those guys rotate in. Certainly you get

2163
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 3: some benefit from it in the second half of games.

2164
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,799
Speaker 3: No question that guys are fresher because they played less snaps.

2165
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 3: But when crunch time comes, notice which guys are in there,

2166
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 3: and that'll tell you who they think the best players

2167
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 3: are or the best combination of players are.

2168
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 2: Connor says it will help in two ways. One help

2169
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:57,600
Speaker 2: lighten the load on players like Bosa and Oliver to

2170
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 2: keep them fresh. Two, I think it will provide some

2171
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,799
Speaker 2: much needed help to the rookies. Not having both Oliver

2172
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,759
Speaker 2: and Ogunjoby to start the season really hurt the development

2173
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: of Sanders and Walker. Don't know that I agree with

2174
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 2: your second point, because just by not having Ogunjoby, those

2175
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,679
Speaker 2: guys had to learn on the field. And I'll maintain

2176
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 2: until I'm blue in the face that the fastest way

2177
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:24,560
Speaker 2: to learn at any professional level is by playing. You

2178
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:28,639
Speaker 2: learn the most lessons by playing the game, and if anything,

2179
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 2: you accelerated their development. Look what we're seeing from Dion

2180
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 2: Walker now six games into the season. We can't say

2181
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 2: the same for Sanders because the unfortunately had a knee

2182
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 2: injury and went on IR So that's a little bit

2183
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 2: of a different case. But playing is how you get experience.

2184
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you can learn from veterans playing in

2185
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 2: front of you, and you know they're kind of sitting

2186
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 2: at the elbow of a veteran player in the film room.

2187
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,919
Speaker 2: They can help you in terms of how to study opponents.

2188
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 2: But playing is the fastest way to improve.

2189
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, it is you. You got to You got

2190
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 3: to go out and compete. And if you're getting if

2191
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 3: you're getting your head handed to you time and time again,

2192
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 3: you start to think about ways you can do better

2193
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 3: and you figure it out. And you only do that

2194
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 3: with live reps that really matter where you've got to

2195
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 3: adjust in order to be successful. And that's that's why

2196
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 3: these guys get better faster when they play.

2197
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here. When we come back,

2198
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls will lead off with Greg

2199
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 2: in California, get some of the final thoughts on the

2200
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 2: tweet sheet as well as we want to know from

2201
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 2: you in what area do you think the return of

2202
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 2: Hoyd and Ogan Joby will help the defense most your

2203
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 2: calls next here on one Bill's Live Talking about the

2204
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 2: returns of Michael Hoyd and Larry Ogan Joby to the

2205
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 2: active roster. The Commissioner's exemption ends today for both of them.

2206
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 2: Presumably they will occupy two of the three open roster spots.

2207
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 2: Who the third one is we will learn more about,

2208
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 2: presumably on Wednesday. Could it be a reserved for Max Harriston,

2209
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:10,560
Speaker 2: who coach McDermott said could come off. I want, I

2210
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't say that. He didn't say it could come off.

2211
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 2: I are He said he could have his practice window

2212
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 2: opened for twenty one days this week. That could happen.

2213
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:20,839
Speaker 2: So another thing to keep an eye on on Wednesday

2214
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 2: when the team is back on the practice field. In

2215
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 2: the meantime, we go to Greg in California. What's up?

2216
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 8: Greg, Hi, Christ and Steve. I've been a longtime bill

2217
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 8: Span since nineteen seventy three, and I'm proud to be one.

2218
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 8: I want to first, I want to make three points

2219
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,839
Speaker 8: first things. I want to start with as a defense.

2220
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see what Michael Hoyt and Ogan

2221
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:49,880
Speaker 8: Joeb have to offer, especially Michael Hoyt, because I sat

2222
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 8: here I'm in California watching that Niners game last night

2223
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 8: and that Cat Tatum Bethune. He was on Max Jones

2224
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 8: every time so much. He was right down the middle.

2225
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 8: How come we couldn't do that with the Atlanta Falcons.

2226
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2227
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 8: Number number two, that's my first point.

2228
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 4: Number two.

2229
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 8: I wish Randon Bean would specifically look for cornerbacks that

2230
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 8: we can play man man defense with instead of playing

2231
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 8: so much zone. Number three. My third point is we

2232
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 8: have three running backs, and I watched Mac Jones use

2233
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 8: their running back in the passing game when the blizz

2234
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 8: was coming. He's supposed to throw at the blitz. If

2235
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 8: I'm not mistaken, Steve, we could be using James Cook,

2236
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 8: Ray Davis and Tydy Johnson to throw to when the

2237
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,120
Speaker 8: blitz when they bliss us like Raheem Morris did. That's

2238
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 8: that's all I have. Thanks for taking my call.

2239
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 2: Thanks Greg, I will say we'll go in reverse order here.

2240
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 2: They have used the backs to beat the blitz. You

2241
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 2: can use the Ray Davis touchdown against the Falcons as

2242
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 2: an example. Had a guy coming off the edge and

2243
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 2: Josh just threw it over his head to Ray Davis

2244
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 2: wide opening the flat and he beat the guy to

2245
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 2: the pylon for a touchdown. So it's in the system

2246
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 2: and it's in the scheme. As for Brandon Bean drafting quarters,

2247
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 2: the play man defense, he just did that. We just

2248
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:19,879
Speaker 2: haven't seen that player. Fastest guy in the draft, Max Harston,

2249
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: who can play man because he can run with just

2250
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 2: about anybody in football. It's just unfortunate that after a

2251
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 2: week into training camp he has an LCL knee injury

2252
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 2: and has to go on injured reserve. Now, hopefully he

2253
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: gets back on the practice field this week and we'll

2254
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 2: have to see where it goes from there. And then

2255
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 2: his first point was on defense. I think.

2256
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 3: First it was about Mike Larry. He thinks they're gonna help.

2257
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was kind of watching the Niners last night

2258
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 2: with Tatum Bethune, who's filling in for injured guys like

2259
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 2: Nick Bosen. He's reaking havoc up front. So yeah, if

2260
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 2: Hoy can do that, I'm all about it.

2261
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've the draft. At the top of the draft

2262
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 3: it you can go back and look at the picks

2263
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 3: that Brandon Bean has made. You can see, you know,

2264
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 3: they kind of they whiffed on Kyrie Elam, but they've

2265
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 3: gotten Bernard, They've gotten see what was the list it was?

2266
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 3: And TJ. Sanders and those guys they've gotten e. Panessa,

2267
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 3: groot Rousseau, those guys. They have spent a lot of

2268
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 3: draft capital trying to find, yeah, trying to find some

2269
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 3: guys that can play up front, Keon Walker or Dion Walker.

2270
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 3: So they spent a lot of draft capital trying to

2271
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 3: get the front seven of their defense to a higher level.

2272
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 3: They keep getting hamstrung by either a guy like Kyrie

2273
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 3: Elam who turns out to be something they that they

2274
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 3: thought he didn't think he was, or Max getting hurt

2275
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 3: in camp, TJ. Sanders going down in camp, Carter going down,

2276
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 3: I mean.

2277
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 2: Who can play man defense? They're both on ir Yeah, so.

2278
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 3: We don't even know what they and they still don't

2279
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 3: know if they've got the right guys. So you know,

2280
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. Bad it's not bad luck. Call it

2281
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 3: what you want. Uh, they have. It has not been

2282
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:19,520
Speaker 3: for lack of effort. The only glaring thing about all

2283
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 3: that is the Kyrie Elim pick. But there were a

2284
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 3: lot of people, I remember the draft, people were going, yeah,

2285
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 3: they got a guy, that's the guy, right. A lot

2286
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 3: of people said that there was an obvious pick for

2287
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 3: the Bills. You got to take him and it didn't

2288
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 3: turn out that way. But other than that, man, they

2289
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 3: they spend a lot of time and a lot of

2290
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 3: draft capital trying to get the front seven of their

2291
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 3: defense and the edges of their defense better. We say

2292
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 3: we have yet, and the last couple of drafts, we

2293
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 3: have yet to see those guys because they've been injured.

2294
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 3: It's frustrating.

2295
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 2: It's got to be frustrating, yes, because you feel like

2296
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 2: you're making the moves to help the team and then

2297
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't manifest itself on the field because they're not available.

2298
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 2: So that's happened on both the free agent signing side

2299
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 2: for the defensive front and the draft side. So because

2300
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 2: Sanders is on IR, Dwayne Carter is a former draft

2301
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:12,000
Speaker 2: pick on IR, Max Harrison, Dorian Strong draft picks on IR,

2302
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: and then you had Ogen Joby and Hoyt on suspension.

2303
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 3: So and that we're not you know, the Bills aren't

2304
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 3: the only team that's nicked up. I mean, everybody's talking

2305
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 3: about the Niners.

2306
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 2: Last night.

2307
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 3: Those guys rose up and they played well. That's and

2308
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 3: good for them.

2309
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean the league neighbors is out for the year.

2310
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 2: For the Giants, it's your number one wide receiver right.

2311
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 3: The Niners are five and two with a really injured,

2312
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 3: nicked up defense, and the Bills are four and two

2313
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 3: playing the Carolina Panthers this week. We'll see if they

2314
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,160
Speaker 3: can get to five and two just like the Niners are.

2315
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 3: It has looked it is, you know, like I said

2316
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 3: earlier in the show, hard to feel worse about a

2317
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 3: four and two team than the Bills did over their

2318
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 3: bye week after losing two straight. You know, that's that's

2319
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:59,200
Speaker 3: about as bad as you can get. So it feels

2320
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 3: really rough right now. I would advise caution.

2321
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 2: Rock on the tweet sheet, when asked in what area

2322
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 2: well the return of Hoyd Nogen Jobi helped the Bills

2323
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 2: defense the most, says it won't. And my reasoning for

2324
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 2: it is they're not changing what they do defensively. Everyone

2325
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 2: knows how they play and there is no elite top

2326
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 2: ten at their position players on the defense. So to me,

2327
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 2: when you have average players, you need to confuse the offense,

2328
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 2: not your defense. It's a little bit of a roundabout comment.

2329
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're getting at Rock, but yeah,

2330
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 2: they're not going to be making any wholesale changes to

2331
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 2: a scheme. They just spent three months of the offseason

2332
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 2: installing right.

2333
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 3: That was kind of my point too about advising cost

2334
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 3: I would be cautious about asking for sweeping changes on

2335
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 3: either side of the ball right now, particularly since the

2336
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 3: losses they took. The worst of the two losses to

2337
02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 3: me was the second one because came out and they

2338
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 3: were on fire and they played like it and the

2339
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 3: Bills didn't match them, and that's that's uncomfortable. The Patriots game,

2340
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 3: the Bills stumbled themselves. They did it to themselves as

2341
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 3: much as anything, and so that's a little easier to say, Okay,

2342
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 3: we you know, you don't need to throw the baby

2343
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 3: out with the bath water. We're gonna, you know, just

2344
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,600
Speaker 3: let's not do it to ourselves and we'll be better.

2345
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 3: So I think you can't take a two game losing

2346
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 3: streak and say it's the same thing, because both those

2347
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 3: games are for different reasons. And I'm so I'm I

2348
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:37,160
Speaker 3: should advise caution of over making any sweeping changes right now.

2349
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:39,839
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones into Milton and Buffalo.

2350
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 2: It's up, Milton, Hey, what's up.

2351
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 3: How are you doing good?

2352
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:47,200
Speaker 22: I want to say, as far as is this more

2353
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:51,720
Speaker 22: of the scheme, like like what you were saying it

2354
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,200
Speaker 22: has to change, even though it might not change right away.

2355
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,000
Speaker 22: But over the years, if you look every time somebody

2356
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 22: played the Bills and I let the Bills, there's always

2357
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:02,839
Speaker 22: somebody said in some type of record or looking marvelous

2358
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 22: on us in that scheme, I think it needs to change.

2359
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 4: I think we need Swartz back.

2360
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Speaker 22: I know that I'm talking too soon, but yeah, that

2361
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,360
Speaker 22: scheme needs to change a set.

2362
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Milton, appreciate the call. I mean, the

2363
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:18,360
Speaker 2: one subtle change they've made is they're playing a lot

2364
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 2: more base defense almost twenty five percent of the snap,

2365
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 2: so they're not locked into that nickel package ninety five

2366
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 2: percent of the time, which is where they were at

2367
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago. So there have been

2368
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 2: shifts in that direction. But as far as the overall scheme, no,

2369
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 2: it hasn't changed, and it's probably not going to. I mean,

2370
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 2: you can change how it looks weak to week based

2371
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,800
Speaker 2: on opponent and play calls and personnel usage, but beyond that, yeah,

2372
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 2: it's you're not going to see a lot different, not

2373
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,360
Speaker 2: in the middle of a season. It's just not the

2374
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 2: way it works usually. Right, Let's get back to the

2375
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:49,760
Speaker 2: phones into Sam on a cell. What's up, Sam?

2376
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 7: Thanks for taking my call.

2377
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Speaker 23: Guys, I wanted to ask a question. Do you think,

2378
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 23: I mean, Steve, you played in and know how to offense?

2379
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 23: Do you think that because of our lack of separation,

2380
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:05,960
Speaker 23: do you think I know how to offense would help

2381
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 23: destabilize the defense and give us a little bit more

2382
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 23: open room?

2383
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I'm obviously given my background, I'm a

2384
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 3: big fan of tempo in an offense. And I realized too,

2385
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 3: you've got a quarterback who is really good pre snap

2386
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 3: and can decipher a defense really well before you snap

2387
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:31,560
Speaker 3: the football. I do think you can get some benefit

2388
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 3: from going no huddle maybe after first down and get

2389
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 3: them get them going that way if you can get

2390
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 3: them in the right personnel group and you've got your

2391
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 3: preferred people on the field. Offensively, I'm a big fan

2392
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 3: of going fast. If you don't substitute, the officials will

2393
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 3: not hold it up for the defense to substitute, so

2394
02:03:57,840 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 3: you can go as fast as you want as long

2395
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 3: as nobody's come on and off the field. So it

2396
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:06,640
Speaker 3: would preclude substitutions, like you can't change personnel once you

2397
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 3: go thirteen personnel, you can't You're locked in or twelve

2398
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 3: personnel or eleven personnel. So if you go three tight ends,

2399
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 3: two tight ends or one tight end or zero tight ends,

2400
02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 3: you've got to stay in that group offensively and go

2401
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 3: no huddle. You can't switch it out. So that's one

2402
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:30,040
Speaker 3: issue with it. But after first down, and after first

2403
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 3: down you could do it. On first down, you don't

2404
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:34,640
Speaker 3: want to do it because it's just, you know, you

2405
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:36,360
Speaker 3: want to get them to where they have to make

2406
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:39,600
Speaker 3: a defensive call quick without getting a chance to get

2407
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:41,960
Speaker 3: to the fifteen second clock of the play clock fifteen

2408
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 3: second mark of the play clock. So there's a lot

2409
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:45,440
Speaker 3: in it. But yeah, I'm a big fan of tempo

2410
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,880
Speaker 3: once in a while. Not as a exclusive, Yeah I'm

2411
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 3: not as an exclusive like be all end all, but

2412
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:54,760
Speaker 3: certainly as a weapon in your arsenal to go to

2413
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 3: very quickly when you want. It does mean that your

2414
02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:03,880
Speaker 3: quarterback we'll probably call the play, and it also means

2415
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 3: you've got to take the time to abbreviate your verbiage

2416
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:14,360
Speaker 3: in your play calls. Sometimes that's sometimes you can do that,

2417
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:18,560
Speaker 3: sometimes you cannot. That in and of itself is a project.

2418
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 3: So the way offenses are run today sometimes that that

2419
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 3: takes no huddle out of the mix anyway, because there's

2420
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:32,640
Speaker 3: so much into a play call you can't just do

2421
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:34,640
Speaker 3: it in three words or two words or one word.

2422
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 3: So that's an issue as well. So all those things

2423
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 3: got to be addressed, and all those challenges you've got

2424
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 3: to be overcome before you can kind of come out

2425
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:43,640
Speaker 3: and let's say, you know, let's go ke Gun, here

2426
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:47,120
Speaker 3: we go, let's go to PJ in Buffalo.

2427
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 2: What's up, PJ?

2428
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, how's it going. Thanks for taking my call.

2429
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 12: I just wanted to talk about the trade deadline a

2430
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 12: little bit. Do you think it's possible that they could

2431
02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:01,320
Speaker 12: possibly do a move on Tuesday up to the deadline?

2432
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 12: And what you rank the Bills position needs right now

2433
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:06,600
Speaker 12: as cornerback, wide receiver.

2434
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 2: And safety, Well, I think, I mean those are three

2435
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 2: positions I think just about any Bills fan would mention,

2436
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't necessarily disagree with those. You are precariously

2437
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 2: thin at the corner position just because you have your

2438
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,280
Speaker 2: two rookie draft choices on ir still as of right now,

2439
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 2: So that just makes both those guys made the roster,

2440
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 2: and that just makes sense from a sheer numbers standpoint.

2441
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 2: So that's number one. And then safety. You know, it

2442
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:39,880
Speaker 2: depends on what you think of Jordan Hancock. Hamlin's on

2443
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 2: ir as we know, so there are things to sift

2444
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,560
Speaker 2: through there as well. Are they high on Hancock? Do

2445
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:48,280
Speaker 2: they think he can play a bigger role for them

2446
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 2: in the second half? Do they think he's got playmaking ability?

2447
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 2: Because we haven't seen a lot of plays made at

2448
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 2: the safety position outside of Cole Bishop's interception against the

2449
02:06:57,120 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 2: Saints on the two yard line, So I think that's

2450
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:04,400
Speaker 2: what you have to assess there. And then a wide receiver,

2451
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 2: you got to really drill down on the film and

2452
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:12,040
Speaker 2: find out what is keeping you from making more plays

2453
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:15,880
Speaker 2: in the passing game. And as Steve said earlier, there

2454
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 2: probably is an all encompassing element to that that pulls

2455
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 2: in a lot of different pieces to declare why perhaps

2456
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 2: the passing game doesn't look looks like a heavier lift

2457
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 2: than many believe it should be. So, yeah, you can

2458
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,080
Speaker 2: find your way to those positions. I will tell you though,

2459
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:37,920
Speaker 2: Bills are tight against the cap. Last we checked, I

2460
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 2: think they were about two and a half million under,

2461
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 2: and that's just standard operating room that you need for

2462
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:45,840
Speaker 2: the rest of the regular season. You know, if you

2463
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 2: have practice squad.

2464
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:48,760
Speaker 3: Call ups, that's in the that's just oil in the

2465
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:50,040
Speaker 3: gears right there. The two points.

2466
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:52,640
Speaker 2: You have a practice squad call up who makes an

2467
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:56,240
Speaker 2: NFL fifty three man roster game day salary, that counts

2468
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 2: on your cap, even when he reverts back to the

2469
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,960
Speaker 2: practice squad that week on the roster counts towards your cap.

2470
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 2: So it's an added expense, and you've got a budget

2471
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 2: for that. So if they're going to make a trade,

2472
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,880
Speaker 2: it's probably got to be dollars out in the form

2473
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 2: of a player for dollars in, unless you're restructuring somebody

2474
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,360
Speaker 2: mid season, and I'm not banking on that happening, right,

2475
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, that's just not the way it usually works.

2476
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 2: We've got to step aside, take a break here. We'll

2477
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 2: try to squeeze a phone call in when we get

2478
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:29,680
Speaker 2: back here on a Buffalo Football Monday on One Bill's Live,

2479
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right

2480
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 2: back here on one Bill's Live. Some final thoughts on

2481
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,240
Speaker 2: the tweetsheet about in what area the return of Hoyd

2482
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 2: and Ogan Jobi might help the defense the most. Q

2483
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,560
Speaker 2: two says No One really knows if the two additions

2484
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 2: to the Bill's defense will help at all. These guys

2485
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 2: will be coming in and cold. They're coming into a

2486
02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 2: team that has lost two straight games. It's not going

2487
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,440
Speaker 2: to be easy for them. Well yeah, I mean it's

2488
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 2: it's hard to jump in on the fly. But you're

2489
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 2: talking about two veteran players who have been there and

2490
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:13,240
Speaker 2: done that. So I don't think the learning curve is.

2491
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 3: Going to be wining camp with this preseason and preseason

2492
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 3: played a lot in the preseason.

2493
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:20,960
Speaker 2: Houts certainly did. Yeah, so.

2494
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of it is the point. Now defensively,

2495
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 3: people are going, well, let's try something, you know, and

2496
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:32,720
Speaker 3: these two guys, being fresh and being a different kind

2497
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 3: of matchup, has got a chance to give him a boost.

2498
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:42,560
Speaker 2: John on the tweets sheet says depth when Oliver Walker

2499
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 2: Bosa Rousseau need to break, hopefully the falloff will be

2500
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 2: significantly less than going to Zion log or old Man.

2501
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 2: Phillips Power Guy says it'll help in the pass rush

2502
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,360
Speaker 2: and the run stop. I tend to think that Hoyd

2503
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 2: will be a force multiplier in the past rush, provided

2504
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,960
Speaker 2: the defense is good enough to force long down in

2505
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 2: distant situations. Whether you you put Rousseau and Bosa out

2506
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 2: there and you line up Hoyt next to one of

2507
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 2: them in a stand up position, you know, as an overload,

2508
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 2: or whether you kick him down inside and you have

2509
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,280
Speaker 2: n't blitzed through the a gaps like they used to

2510
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 2: do with Milano and Bernard. I think there's a multitude

2511
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,960
Speaker 2: of things you can do with Hoyt and use him

2512
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:30,080
Speaker 2: as a movable chess piece. And Ogunjobi, in my estimation,

2513
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:32,560
Speaker 2: slides right in for day Kwon Jones. You don't have him,

2514
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:34,600
Speaker 2: he's out with the calf injury, probably not going to

2515
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,400
Speaker 2: play this week. He could not have swooped in at

2516
02:10:37,400 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 2: a better time.

2517
02:10:39,120 --> 02:10:41,840
Speaker 3: Well it could have been pregame last week or two

2518
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 3: weeks ago.

2519
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 2: Well, right, that would be You're right, that would have

2520
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 2: been a better time.

2521
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:51,360
Speaker 3: You would hope that they do give a boost to

2522
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:56,120
Speaker 3: both the run stuff and the pass rush. And we'll see,

2523
02:10:57,000 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 3: we'll see it's it's certainly not going to get worse

2524
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 3: with two good players being injected into the rotation, two

2525
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 3: proven players, So we'll we'll just have to wait and

2526
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:11,440
Speaker 3: see what happens the outside as well. I'm interested to

2527
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 3: see what they're going to do at corner in the

2528
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 3: coming weeks. How fast it takes Max Harrison to get

2529
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:20,280
Speaker 3: up speed Dorian Strong getting back on the field if

2530
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:22,800
Speaker 3: he could possibly do that, although his window hasn't even

2531
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 3: been mentioned to being opened up yet. Again, you know

2532
02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 3: they've still got some guys they're waiting on physically, but

2533
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 3: those two guys being added to the defensive front, you

2534
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,680
Speaker 3: would think we'll get a chance to see them contribute

2535
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 3: pretty quickly.

2536
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm really just hoping that the pass rush

2537
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:49,440
Speaker 2: looks more threatening. And look when and I know it's preseason,

2538
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,960
Speaker 2: teams are playing vanilla schemes and whatnot, but so is

2539
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:57,400
Speaker 2: Buffalo's defense. Where really in the preseason you're just asking

2540
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 2: a guy to win his one on one, win your matchup,

2541
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 2: and more often than not, Michael Hoyt was doing that.

2542
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:08,400
Speaker 2: Ogunjobi was slowed by what I believe was a foot

2543
02:12:08,440 --> 02:12:10,840
Speaker 2: injury in the preseason if I remember right, So he

2544
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:14,160
Speaker 2: didn't play a ton in the preseason, but Hoyt did

2545
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:16,680
Speaker 2: like he played a lot. He played like over fifty

2546
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:18,960
Speaker 2: snaps in one of the games, I think it was

2547
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:21,920
Speaker 2: the Chicago game, and then even played twenty five snaps

2548
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 2: or so in the Tampa preseason game, which was the

2549
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 2: last one of the preseason, and he was noticeable, like

2550
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:33,120
Speaker 2: you felt his presence on the field. And if you

2551
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:35,320
Speaker 2: get an extra pass rusher that can make some hay

2552
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,360
Speaker 2: for you and maybe pull some attention away from some

2553
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:41,560
Speaker 2: of the other guys, well, then maybe the defensive line hasn't.

2554
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:44,400
Speaker 2: Everybody eats mantra too, just like the off just like

2555
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 2: the passing game. So I'm all for it, man. And look,

2556
02:12:49,120 --> 02:12:54,040
Speaker 2: we told you already limited space under the cap. The

2557
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 2: Cavalry is not coming via trade. Maybe there's one player

2558
02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:01,680
Speaker 2: coming in, but as he said, with being so tight

2559
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:05,040
Speaker 2: against the cab, you also need dollars to go out

2560
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 2: presumably to make something work. So these two guys and

2561
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 2: Max Hairston are the Cavalry to help this defense. That's

2562
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:15,520
Speaker 2: essentially what we're looking at.

2563
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dorian Strong.

2564
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:20,360
Speaker 2: If he can come and can still don't but yeah,

2565
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:22,240
Speaker 2: we got to check and see if he was designated

2566
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:24,880
Speaker 2: to return. That's the big thing for him because neck

2567
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:28,520
Speaker 2: injuries are a serious deal. That's it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky from ESPN joining us on tomorrow show. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you all at once