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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we are going to preview

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five NFL Scouting Combine. Garrett is headed

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis to cover all the events and Garrett, as

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Speaker 1: we start this, why don't you kind of take listeners

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. What's it like at Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool, to be honest, I've gone to

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Speaker 2: the combine now. I think it's double digit years for me,

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Speaker 2: so getting up there, I just think that means I'm

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Speaker 2: getting old, But you.

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Speaker 3: Know it is.

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Speaker 2: It's grown a ton in the time that I've been going.

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Speaker 2: It was all at Lucas Oil Stadium when I started going.

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Speaker 2: It's expanded to the Convention Center. It's a primetime event.

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Speaker 2: There's fans at some of the events now. But the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing that stands out to me, and what's really

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Speaker 2: cool about it, is that Indianapolis isn't that big of

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Speaker 2: a city. The downtown central area is not like a

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Speaker 2: But the city is basically taken over by the NFL

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Speaker 2: world all coaches, all scouts, front office executives, media members.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody is in basically a ten block radius. Everybody

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Speaker 2: in the NFL is like sharing the same ten block radius.

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Speaker 2: So everywhere you look, you go to lunch, you go

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Speaker 2: just NFL people around. They're wearing an NFL gear. You

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Speaker 2: recognize people, you see coaches, you see owners, you see gms,

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Speaker 2: And it's a unique situation where the NFL world is

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Speaker 2: all descended on one place, and I just think it's

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Speaker 2: a really if people who have never seen it as listeners.

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Speaker 2: Most listeners of course, probably have never been there. It's

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Speaker 2: a really cool place to see all of these NFL

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Speaker 2: people in one place at one time, having conversations, some

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Speaker 2: of them networking, you know, some people looking for next jobs,

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Speaker 2: some people talking to media members. Like all that stuff

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Speaker 2: is going on to the combine and it's really cool

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Speaker 2: to see. And we hope that fans enjoy the coverage

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Speaker 2: that we have planned for this year.

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Speaker 1: And also you're not watching the drills happen, right right,

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Speaker 1: that's not kind of what the media's job is, Like

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Speaker 1: the NFL network is, they're really the ones that cover

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Speaker 1: the actual drills themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's interesting. A lot of people are like, so,

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Speaker 2: what do you think of whatever this prospect at the

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Speaker 2: combiner And I'll get to see these prospects on the

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Speaker 2: media side of things, but we aren't actually, to your point,

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Speaker 2: like watching the drills in the stadium, that's the scout

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Speaker 2: Those actually happen at a different time. Some of them

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Speaker 2: for the media portion of things, and the drills take

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Speaker 2: place over the course of the weekend, and of course

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Speaker 2: the coaches and the scouts watch the drills, but we

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Speaker 2: don't stay for all of the player drills, but we

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Speaker 2: do stay for the media portion of things. And so

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Speaker 2: like we hear from basically the way it works, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: we hear from NFL gms and coaches. They all talk

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Speaker 2: to the media. Players start talking to the media on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: and they talk Thursday, Friday, Saturday, And so we hear

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Speaker 2: from the players as well as the overall coaches and

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Speaker 2: gms when they're talking with the media. But the drills

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Speaker 2: are happening at Lucas Oil Stadium, separate from what we're watching.

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Speaker 2: The other big part There's two other big parts of

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Speaker 2: the interviews that take place, and it's it's like a

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Speaker 2: speed dating situation. These players go into these suites here.

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of experience with speed dating. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: speed dating, I've done a lot. I've done a lot

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Speaker 2: of it, right Like, So there's this it's like a

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Speaker 2: interviews with all these different teams. They go into the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Every team has a different suite and the players bounce

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Speaker 2: course of for these teams to get a chance to

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Speaker 2: know these players, players to try to put their best

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Speaker 2: foot forward. If there's any lingering questions or things like that,

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Speaker 2: this is their chance to address them with these teams

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Speaker 2: But they're bouncing from room to room to room. So

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Speaker 2: that's part of what happens to the combine. The other part,

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Speaker 2: of course, is the workouts that you mentioned. And then

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Speaker 2: the other aspect is it goes back to what I

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee at some point this week we're going

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Speaker 2: to see reports coming out about different players, maybe some

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Speaker 2: that's where these conversations are had. And I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams push everything to the combine, like, let's

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Speaker 2: sort this out. Once we get to the combine and

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Speaker 2: we can talk with other teams and gms, we can

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Speaker 2: talk with agents and just get a feel for how

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Speaker 2: we want to address our team this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I'll add a fourth element to what you were mentioning,

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Speaker 1: and that's the medical part of this team. Doctors that

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Speaker 1: How are they recovering, When should NFL teams expect them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one part where you talk about like

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Speaker 1: And to give fans the schedule here as always, you

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Speaker 1: can watch on the NFL Network. The defensive linemen and

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Speaker 1: linebackers will work out on Thursday. On Friday, it's the

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Speaker 1: DB's corners and safeties and tight ends. Saturday will be quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of how it we'll run. And then

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Speaker 1: all those players will talk to the me one day

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Speaker 1: fans should definitely tune in for that. It's always it's

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Speaker 1: always fun to follow along, and we'll have tons of

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Speaker 1: coverage both from Eric Costa and John Harbaugh's press conferences

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Speaker 1: and then of course what the prospects are saying. So

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Speaker 1: we'll have tons of content coming your way and Garrett,

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Speaker 1: let's start with really the first item on the list

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Speaker 1: for us is the press conferences. As I mentioned, with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they are both talking on Tuesday, Eric Tacosta's

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Speaker 3: Certainly, there's lots to discuss.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked with them since the season review press conference,

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Speaker 2: so there's plenty to discuss with them. I think when

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Speaker 2: has there been any movement on any of those items? So,

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Speaker 2: for example, Ronnie Stanley, he's the Ravens' biggest name free agent,

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Speaker 1: Right, and you know, see if you can hammer something

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Speaker 1: explore these possibilities. So it's kind of a question of, like,

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Speaker 2: There's always limits, Like the Ravens have a number forree agents.

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Speaker 2: truth is, we're not going to get updates on like

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Speaker 2: the players who are eligible for extensions, Kyle Hamilton and

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Speaker 2: they're players who the Ravens I think certainly want long

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also Derrick Henry, you know, there's been chatter.

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry did not look at all like he's slowing down,

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Speaker 1: the end of that could make sense for both sides.

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Speaker 1: So that'll be interesting. And then Kyle van Noy, you know,

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Speaker 1: to have conversations with the Ravens about what that salary

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Speaker 3: In and be difference makers. Both both options have worked for.

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Speaker 1: oh boy, have they moved up out of the Ravens range.

435
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Speaker 1: You know. I'll even put somebody like Mike Green from Marshall,

436
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: another player high high production at Marshall, and if he

437
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Speaker 1: goes out there and tests ridiculously, James Pierce, James Fierce

438
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: Junior of Tennessee. You know, all these guys could go

439
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: out there and just put up big numbers and then

440
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: they move up the board.

441
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you an example of this, Like someone

442
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Speaker 2: I remember a couple of years ago. I'm gonna be

443
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Speaker 2: doing these videos I've done him for the past few years,

444
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Speaker 2: but I'll do these videos of looking at players who

445
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: could fit based on positions of need for the Ravens

446
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: and go through all the different positions of need and

447
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: prospects who could make sense for the Ravens. And I

448
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: remember a guy who I talked about like he could

449
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 2: be a good Day two option for the Ravens was

450
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith, a pass rusher out of Georgia who the Eagles.

451
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Speaker 3: Ended up taking.

452
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Speaker 2: And I remember I did that video and then like

453
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Speaker 2: Nolan Smith came out and ran the He got on

454
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Speaker 2: the field and lit it up and like he flew

455
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Speaker 2: up the board. He went from like somebody who were

456
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Speaker 2: talking about is like this Day two option to flying

457
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: up the board and I looked like a clown. Basically,

458
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Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, you're not getting him at

459
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Speaker 2: the end of the second round of the third round.

460
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Speaker 1: And he had one of my favorite ones.

461
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Speaker 3: Yeah exact. Yeah.

462
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: He ended up being the thirtieth overall pick. The Eagles

463
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Speaker 2: took him that year. And so that can happen, Like

464
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: that absolutely can happen. And I think that Shamar Stewart

465
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Speaker 2: is I do think he's somebody who could who could

466
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Speaker 2: fall into that category of being a guy that like

467
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: just flies up the board based on these intangibles, looks

468
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: really good physically off the charts, and then and then

469
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: goes out there and performs great. So I'm with you.

470
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: I think he's an interesting one. And as you go

471
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Speaker 2: through the list, like when you look at the edge players,

472
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: a player who I am curious about, and he's been

473
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Speaker 2: mocked at times and this probably won't shock you, Like

474
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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer an.

475
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: Edge and I'm actually interested in him too.

476
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: So Jack Sawyer is a really interesting prospect to me

477
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: testing wise, Like, I don't think he's gonna he's gonna

478
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Speaker 2: blow anybody out of the water testing wise, like, I

479
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: don't think he has He's not like Shamar Stewart from

480
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: a testing standpoint as an example, but he's and he

481
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: went to Ohio State. He was a pass rusher edge

482
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Speaker 2: defender for Ohio State. I'm on a high Columbus guy,

483
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: So Ohio State fans started watching him. And he came

484
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: into Ohio State with a lot of fanfare. Was from

485
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Speaker 2: Columbus and so he was kind of like mister Buckeye

486
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Speaker 2: and he's a captain of Ohio State. Came back and

487
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: like after they didn't beat Michigan. He never beat Michigan

488
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: in his career and so like in some ways up

489
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 2: up until like six weeks before the end of the season,

490
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like his career didn't go the

491
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: way that he had hoped, like big time prospect, the

492
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: Columbus kid, all that stuff, and never beats Michigan. Then

493
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: like at the end of that Michigan game, he's like

494
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: fighting with Michigan for they they try to plant the

495
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: flag on the field and he's fighting with Michigan guys,

496
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: getting in their face and and like then he kind

497
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: of became he was a leader of the team, but

498
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: he was sort of the rallying guy uh during their

499
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Speaker 2: playoff run to the national championship. And then he had

500
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: the big scoop and score on a forced fumble in

501
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: the national semi final and played great in that playoff

502
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: run to where they of course won the national championship.

503
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: And he was like the heart and soul guy of

504
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Speaker 2: that team. And so we're getting the full yes exactly,

505
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: so they you're more than your bargain for in the

506
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: Jacksuwer conversation, but testing wise is probably not going to

507
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: be off the charts. But in terms of like play

508
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: like a raven Ravens talk about like Red star guys,

509
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: these guys that like you just want on your team

510
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: because they make everybody better. He kind of falls into

511
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: that category. So I I'm interested in him and to

512
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: see what the uh, to see where he lands and

513
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: whether he could be a fit for the Ravens.

514
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, and you know, we're not

515
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: going to see him on the field, but I think

516
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: there's some some players. The medical is going to be

517
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: really important because these are players that could interest the Ravens.

518
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: Uh Chavon Ravel junior from East Carolina come back from

519
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: a knee and then Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from

520
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Two players with knee injuries. You know, what

521
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: are the reports coming out of India about those guys

522
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: and their readiness to play? I think will be very interesting.

523
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: And then I look at some of these defensive backs.

524
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Speaker 1: I mean there's some There are a couple of safeties.

525
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: I look at Malachi Starks from Georgia, you know, a

526
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: little bit more of a back end safety, more of

527
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: a free safety, how to see test. And then our

528
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: guy Nick m and Warri from South Carolina, who Daniel

529
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Jeremiah said, you know, if he's there at twenty seven,

530
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Speaker 1: he thinks the Ravens should turn in the card. How

531
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, another athletic, big athletic guy. If he if

532
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: he blows up the combine, he's going to project be

533
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: projected more in the first round, whereas you know right

534
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: now Daniel Jeremia doesn't have him in his first round.

535
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: But if he goes out there and shows up, he's

536
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Speaker 1: going to move up those bunk draft boards.

537
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's an interesting one, and he kind of falls.

538
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: I do think he could be in that camp of like,

539
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: could this be a guy who just has off the

540
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: charts testing potentially because he's he's big, and he's he's long,

541
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: and he has similar traits in that regard to a

542
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, and so he's kind of when you talk

543
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: about being like being a little nervous about a bullet

544
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: player that you're interested in going out there and blowing

545
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: up the combine. I would put him in that camp.

546
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: Like the classic story is way back in the day

547
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: when Terrell Suggs ran a slow forty at the combine

548
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: and then he ends up falling to the Ravens and

549
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: like the Ravens are secretly high five and when Torell

550
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: Slugs runs a slow forty and he ends up falling

551
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: to Baltimore and then the rest is history. That's kind

552
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: of a dream scenario, and that's always the balance that

553
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: you're looking at as you're going through this process. And

554
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: he's one that I do think position wise, considering he's

555
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: a safety that will that could, I don't know, scare

556
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: some teams off, but teams don't prioritize safety the way

557
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: they do other positions, and so that could be part

558
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: of the reason he's available at the end of the

559
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: first round. But if you go out and you have

560
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: a good enough combine, then then you're probably gone, even

561
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: no matter what position you play.

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00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: What's your favorite drill to watch?

563
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: It's forty.

564
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: It's a forty, Okay, the forty is the forty is

565
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: like the that's the prime time, that's the marque event.

566
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: That's like these guys everybody knows the numbers. Now, Like

567
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: if I were to ask you, like, okay, what's a

568
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: good three cone drill? Oh, you don't know the numbers

569
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: off the top of your head. But all of a sudden,

570
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: someone runs a four two eight forty like Nate Wiggins

571
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: did last year, and you're like, whoa that is? That

572
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 2: is smoking fast, and so the forty is is awesome.

573
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: And I think that like players, they care about that

574
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: for they carry that with them the rest of their career.

575
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: You want a good debate in the locker room, just

576
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: go ask who's the fastest guy of the team, and

577
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: then you're gonna hear everybody debating that. That's just like,

578
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: that's like playground type stuff that everybody debates their entire life,

579
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: and so I think the forty yard dash is basically

580
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: put numbers to that debate.

581
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: It's awesome.

582
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: Okay, another question for you, Garrett, if you were doing

583
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Speaker 1: one of the drills that the combine, which one is

584
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: gonna be your calling card? Which one are you going

585
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: to do best in? A?

586
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, if I'm doing combine drills, I'm

587
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: making sure that the medical team is nearby. I'm like,

588
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: I don't want any I don't want any popped ham strings,

589
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: any achilles, I want none of those.

590
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this story of when teams were having

591
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: local you know, pro days, and anybody could come out

592
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: and participate in them. Okay, and this is a while ago.

593
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why that why they even did this,

594
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: but like you know, average Joe could come out and

595
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: like work out in front of scouts, and there's all

596
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: these people that did it, and there was they ran

597
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: the forty, and there was a story of this guy,

598
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: this Weekend Warrior and he runs the forty at the

599
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Ravens facility and he pops both hamstrings running the forty,

600
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: gets to the end in Barf's.

601
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: It's just pop pop and then pukes.

602
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Pop pop barf. And that would be you.

603
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: That would be me, that would be you back in

604
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 2: the day, Back in the day, I had a decent vertical.

605
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: We'll go with that. Not anyone.

606
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: We we all know. I also beat you in the forty.

607
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's an old school that's a throwback right there. Uh,

608
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: that was that was definitely under protest. The results are very.

609
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: Much in question.

610
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: We went to the tape on that one and somebody

611
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: got a very very early start from the.

612
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like that. I'm like that pass rusher

613
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: who just hits that snap count perfect.

614
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Now, you're basically looks like it looks like on the

615
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: on the film or at first glances like WHOA did

616
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: he go early?

617
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Is he off sides on that? No, just timed up

618
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: the snap count.

619
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Speaker 3: It's the opposite.

620
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: It's like you're the offensive tackle, the center still has

621
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: the ball and you're three steps into the.

622
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: Backfield and you're like, why is that not a false start?

623
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Speaker 1: I'm the Chief's right on the Chiefs right tackle.

624
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, well, why is that not a false start?

625
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: That's you. So anyway, it's.

626
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Speaker 1: I think I think i'd be the gauntlet, by the way,

627
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I like the wide receiver gauntlet drill. Okay, that's a

628
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Speaker 1: good one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is good. That is good. I'm with you

630
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Speaker 3: on that. So we'll be covering all of this over

631
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Speaker 3: the course of the week.

632
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Speaker 2: Clifton, Bryan and I are going to be asking the

633
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Speaker 2: questions uh during the press conferences and getting to know

634
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: these prospects and also catching up with some of the

635
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Speaker 2: draft experts there in Indianapolis. So we've got a lot

636
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Speaker 2: of really good stuff coming your way. We are going

637
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Speaker 2: to have a podcast after if we hear from DaCosta

638
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: and Harrorball will give you our take on those pressers

639
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: and what we hear from them. And I'm also gonna

640
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Speaker 2: be catching up with a number of our guys there

641
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: as well with some additional access and content. So stay

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Speaker 2: tuned because it's a busy week and we're really looking

643
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: forward to it. As always, you can email us at

644
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening and we will be back with

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Speaker 2: you again tomorrow