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Speaker 1: FS one Speak for Yourself Show, former second round pick

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Speaker 1: of the Bills in the nineteen eighty seven the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft out of Columbia. It's spent ten years in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: much of it with the Bills. The author of the

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Speaker 1: book never shut up. We hope he doesn't shut up. Now.

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Speaker 1: We're happy to have Marcellis Wiley on the line of Marcello,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you. Oh oh, it's great to

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Speaker 1: be back home. Man. Friends, how you doing, John, We're

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Speaker 1: doing great. Good to see you. We got sea line

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Speaker 1: What do you remember about? What about? What do you

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Speaker 1: remember about your draft day? Oh? Wow, oh so much man.

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Speaker 1: Just waking up that morning and it was a different format.

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Speaker 1: There were only thirty teams at the time. Woke up,

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Speaker 1: had family friends at the house. CNN Sports so straighted

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Speaker 1: because coming from an ivy League school, and the fan

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Speaker 1: fair because it's obviously a unique experience coming from there

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Speaker 1: and just sitting around watching all of the picks one

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Speaker 1: Pace was going to go first, and that was a

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Speaker 1: to pick up around mid first round when Chris Berman,

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Speaker 1: former IVY leaguer himself doing his job but also rooting

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Speaker 1: for the IVY League, started to mention my name almost

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Speaker 1: on every pick. And when you're hearing your name but

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Speaker 1: the fifty second pick Buffalo Bills. Brother, did you expect

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Speaker 1: to go in the second round? Was that on your

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Speaker 1: expectation level going into that draft myself, No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I really thought I was going to be a fourth rounder,

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Speaker 1: pay the IVY League tax justly playing against lawyers, CEOs

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Speaker 1: I really really got gassed up the week before the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, even though though it's the New York

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Speaker 1: and New York Talk did an article about me potentially

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Speaker 1: and they had a slotted and had my name there

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Speaker 1: in bold. So everyone on campus, including me, saw that

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Speaker 1: and started to, you know, get gassed up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So I guess my highest projection was mid first round.

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Speaker 1: Realistically for me it was the fourth rounds So it

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Speaker 1: was a blessing to go in a second I know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ivy leaguers don't go often. I was looking

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Speaker 1: it up the all time IVY League draft picks and

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Speaker 1: the Calvin Hill in recent memory, maybe not for many,

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Speaker 1: but nineteen sixty nine he was a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: But you were among the more recent, you know, early

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Speaker 1: read this somewhere about Bruce Smith's shoes. You were, for

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