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Speaker 1: Connect you quick, Hey, everybody, Laida la Ladida. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: my new rap, Well that isn't me, but I love

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Speaker 1: I believe this episode is about love ah, and this

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Speaker 1: Our guests, Anthony Hamilton's is known for his assultry sounds.

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Speaker 1: He's known for baby making music. He's known for talking

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Speaker 1: There's something about Anthony Hamilton's music which is why he's

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Speaker 1: This is an education because if you're not black, I

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Speaker 1: making love. Nope, nopepe not there yet. I'll get back

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