WEBVTT - Biden Out of Step, Out of Touch.  Lanhee Chen Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty show this black man with black

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<v Speaker 1>we will we all let you all speak of Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, America does not want to witness a

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<v Speaker 1>food fight. They want to know how we're gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>food on their table. So she and she established right

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<v Speaker 1>off the bat Kamala Harrison the debate last night that

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to try to take charge, and she

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<v Speaker 1>looked like to take charge personal night long. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to throw in this bussing stat and I do

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<v Speaker 1>not want to talk about I do not want to

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<v Speaker 1>argue about a policy from forty years ago. But um

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington to bring up Vietnam. The Washington Post pointing

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden's views on bussing have been where America's

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<v Speaker 1>have been throughout his career. In in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>when Biden was in the Senate, they asked, uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>surveyed people on their opinion of bussing. Five percent favored

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<v Speaker 1>bussing five four percent of whites, nine percent of black

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<v Speaker 1>so about half. And because Biden, uh wasn't enthusiastically for that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting beaten up in the year twenty nineteen, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the difficulty of having a record, lan he Chen joined us.

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<v Speaker 1>Lan he is the host of the podcast Crossing Lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Lan he Chen also David Dyan stay If your research

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<v Speaker 1>fellow at the Hoover Institution as well as Director of

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<v Speaker 1>Domestic Policy Studies and Lecture in the Public Policy Program

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<v Speaker 1>at Stanford University. Lan here, how are you, sir? Good

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<v Speaker 1>to do with you this morning? So? Would you make

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<v Speaker 1>of the debate last night? Overall impressions? Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think first of all, it was a difficult situation

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<v Speaker 1>for Joe Biden. It's just a tough it's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>go into these debates with you know, ten eleven people

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<v Speaker 1>as the front letter. It's just it's difficult. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this was a position that Mitt Romney was

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<v Speaker 1>in when I was working on that campaign. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult position to defend well. And Biden did not

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<v Speaker 1>do a good job of it last night, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's going to be an issue for him. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is, you know what these debates are good for,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily are which candidates that we're not talking about already

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to be talking about are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get a good look. So from the first night, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Corey Booker was certainly helped. Betto Rourke was

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<v Speaker 1>heard obviously that commessional wisdom is shoe. Castro was helped

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And you know, look, Kamala Harris had

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<v Speaker 1>a good night last night. We'll see how long it

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<v Speaker 1>carries over for But I think that's the most important takeaway.

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<v Speaker 1>Is not gonna be harriss but Biden. Yeah, how long? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, to your point, I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>last night back to I remember Mitt would be on

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<v Speaker 1>stage in the middle because he was leading in the polls,

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<v Speaker 1>and you to have everybody on the sides, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of stand there and be above it all

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<v Speaker 1>and people yell at each other and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he felt like, you know, and then this is

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<v Speaker 1>gradually where the Republicans ended up. He felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that was kind of the grown up among them all. Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you had all the bickering last night. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure Biden was able to pull off that

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<v Speaker 1>Romney I'm the grown up here thing. No, he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Romney had a very good string

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<v Speaker 1>of debates in twelve and that's what helped him to

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<v Speaker 1>the nomination that year. You know, we'll see how Biden

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<v Speaker 1>handles it. If I were a Biden fan, or if

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<v Speaker 1>I were someone who really was on the Biden team,

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<v Speaker 1>there are reasons for concern about last night that go

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just hey, it was a bad performance. We all

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<v Speaker 1>have had, you know, performances we wish we could do over.

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<v Speaker 1>We all have things we wish we could do over.

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<v Speaker 1>But but the problem with Biden for last night is

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<v Speaker 1>it's about more than just one bad performance. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental question of do you have a guy who is

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen seventies candidate running in two thousand, twenty early

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<v Speaker 1>seventies candidates? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it goes It goes

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<v Speaker 1>to his record, It goes to his aisle, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>to how he looks, his age, all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, the question is is he going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to adapt to this cycle? And so far

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<v Speaker 1>the answer has been a resounding no. And last night,

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<v Speaker 1>I think added only to the impression that he is

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<v Speaker 1>completely out of step and out of touch with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the Democratic Party is today. Boy, that's the one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I took away from it too. I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think he was sharp at all. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most obvious things he had to be ready to parry.

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<v Speaker 1>He could not, and it just to me it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little sad. But we'll see where it goes from there. Hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about you know, winners and losers or

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<v Speaker 1>or I'd prefer people who stock improved or declined. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at predicted dot org and sure enough, Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's stock is up slightly, Joe Biden's down fairly significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders is the biggest downward mover last night. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see that. I thought he absolutely won the sharp

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<v Speaker 1>old Guy prize between himself and Joe Biden. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the reason why is because the question has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with who's going to occupy that progressive left lane,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, the likelihood is you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have more than one or two candidates at the most.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look at Elizabeth Warren from the first

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<v Speaker 1>night and Kamala Harris from last night, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably more than enough for that lane. And that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>why the share is coming out of Bernie Sanders, because

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<v Speaker 1>the perception is that he's competing for the same voters. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's Sue or not, we'll see, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the perception. The other questions that I would ask

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<v Speaker 1>people to consider is this, did the candidates do anything

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<v Speaker 1>the last two nights that will compromise their ability to

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<v Speaker 1>win a general election? We want to go yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>because with you out, every candidate on stage say there's

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<v Speaker 1>no such thing as being an illegal immigrant anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you get free healthcare. No way you

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<v Speaker 1>become president with those positions, is there? No. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see how you can embrace the notion, for example, of decriminalizing, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the crossing of the US border as an undocumented immigrant.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see how you can support free health care

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<v Speaker 1>for all undocumented immigrants. By the way, I'll fail you

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<v Speaker 1>can support taking away private health insurance from a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty million Americans. I mean, that's a disaster in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, the notion, you know, in Kamala Harris, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, for all of her great performance last night

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever, she fundamentally compromised herself because she's been all

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<v Speaker 1>over the map on this Medicare for all government run

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<v Speaker 1>health care thing. First, she tells Jake Tapper a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months ago, we're gonna get rid of private insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she walks it back a few days later. Then

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<v Speaker 1>last night she's out there against saying yes, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>away private health insurance. She and Elizabeth Warren are in

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<v Speaker 1>a completely compromised position in my mind, for the general election.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is going to beat them over the head

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<v Speaker 1>every single day with this notion that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the health insurance that you have and

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<v Speaker 1>you like and replace it with a big government, socialist

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<v Speaker 1>style solution. The ridiculous of them to go there, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>surely they are not gonna stand up in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of steel workers or miners or whatever and

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<v Speaker 1>one of your industrial states and say, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>giving free healthcare to illegals and expect to win. Are they? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, again, this is the challenge with the primary

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<v Speaker 1>is that you've got to move to where your base is,

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<v Speaker 1>and the progressive base of the Democratic Party, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they are, you know, And they and those are the

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<v Speaker 1>people they're pandering to. Those are the votes they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get, and and that's the lane they're trying to occupy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's very shortsighted the notion that you

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<v Speaker 1>go there to win the primary, but you'd completely compromise

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<v Speaker 1>yourself for the general. And in that sense, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, yes, he answered the question about the undocumented

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<v Speaker 1>illegal immigrants to give the healthcare. He did say he

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<v Speaker 1>would give them free healthcare, but he didn't go as

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<v Speaker 1>far I think is the other one. So he still

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<v Speaker 1>has the general election in mind. But boy, Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>and Elizabeth Warren are in big trouble. That's interesting, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm old and cynical, So I see people

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<v Speaker 1>moving to the general and just complain completely changing their

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<v Speaker 1>stripes and you know, and the moderates weren't paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to the activities of the hardcore during the early primaries anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't know or they don't care. But you

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<v Speaker 1>think they've actually, you know, stuck their steak in far

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<v Speaker 1>enough it's going to be difficult to pull out. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I I think the dynamic that makes this election different

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<v Speaker 1>from other previous elections is Donald Trump. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>think I have to give Trump a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 1>because I think he is going to be uniquely able

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<v Speaker 1>to just take a single message or a set of

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<v Speaker 1>messages and just drive that thing until people are completely sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it. But they're gonna know, trust me, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>know whoever the Democratic nominee is is for giving illegal

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants free healthcare. They're gonna know that whoever the nominee

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<v Speaker 1>is is likely going to be for government run health care.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Trump Trump is able to carry that

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<v Speaker 1>message uniquely, and I think it's going to damage whoever

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat is. I think I think it's a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big problem for them, guys, I really do. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, I don't know how they come back from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel like watching the two nights, the only

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<v Speaker 1>person that seemed like they had the energy, the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>the just the stature to be on stage with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and matcham was was Kamala last night, not Elizabeth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Elizabeth Warren. Your thought on either one of them

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<v Speaker 1>matched up with the Tanderine tornadoes stylistically apart from the policies. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kamala Harris acquitted herself very favorably last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I I do think that she has uh, she has

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<v Speaker 1>the energy, and she has the style to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to compete in a different way from others. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think Elizabeth Warren is going to perceive a shrill. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a very difficult time seeing her being there in

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<v Speaker 1>the end and people really liking her. I think said

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<v Speaker 1>she said, it's like my wife said, It's like my

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<v Speaker 1>mom's yelling at me every time I watched Elizabeth Lauren.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's funny, though, is she actually believes in

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<v Speaker 1>what art, to my mind lunatic policies? Kamala is just

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to temporarily and we'll be walking in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least you gotta give Liz credit for consistency. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so listen, predictions are stupid, So throwing caveats or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want, lan he but um, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were on predicted dot org, which I'm looking at right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the market for candidates who would you throw your money

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<v Speaker 1>at two or three is fine? Um, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I probably would throw it at Harris, I would throw

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<v Speaker 1>it at Warren, and I you know, I might throw

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit at at Julian costro to to to

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<v Speaker 1>the point we're talking about earlier. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>he's at right now, but he's probably pretty cheap still.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing yeah, he is dead. Well. The problem with

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is he's still overvalued. I think so if you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it from a marketplace perspective, I still think

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<v Speaker 1>he's got way too much juice for somebody who I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's going to be there, So I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you mean politically you might pass away before the

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<v Speaker 1>next debate? Oh no, No, politically politically let's let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's hope he makes it through. But but but politically,

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<v Speaker 1>good bless him. Lan he chen is with the Hoover

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<v Speaker 1>Institution Stanford University, also host to the podcast, which is

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<v Speaker 1>due for a little update Lonie crossing lines with Lani

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<v Speaker 1>chen Uh and we knew had an episode last week

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna We're gonna do another one next week. Perfect, terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>Glad to hear that. I can't wait to listen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always great. Long he thanks for the time. We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Our conversation with him, And so many conversations I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>with pundits, and Pete's name doesn't even come up mayor Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>no even mentions it little Pete. And that's something because

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<v Speaker 1>he was kind of quiet and grown up sounding. But

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<v Speaker 1>then that doesn't work right now, well, into my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>a little submissive and and just too little not bombastic enough,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly are and