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Speaker 2: Hello, Happy holidays you two.

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays to you, Krats. What were you saying a kid?

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Speaker 2: Before Eric's going back?

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Speaker 3: I wanted I've knocked on his door. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: if you will come out and play, we can play catch.

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Speaker 3: You won't play catch, Like, no, bro, I'm just chilling. Man,

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Speaker 3: I'm just hanging out, Like, leave me alone.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pass you.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: He is good, he doesn't he like he is a

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Speaker 1: when it's him and him and Todd Fraser when they're

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Speaker 1: sitting next to each other, they're like flicking in each

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Speaker 1: other's ears and all that. So but I feel like

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Speaker 1: Kratz has gotten so good, he's on every day that

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Speaker 1: he can actually do that act without physical contact. He

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Speaker 1: He's got something going here.

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Speaker 2: Finally, an everyday guy, Krats.

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Speaker 3: I know it's taken so long. I get every day now.

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Speaker 1: It makes me.

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Speaker 3: It suits, Yeah, except except for when we go to places.

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Speaker 3: Except for when we're like at the winter meetings or

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Speaker 3: like fun places. They always they always call me and

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Speaker 3: they're like, hey, it's not you. But you're not going,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, what, but I want to.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe you'll get more invites as the days go on.

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Speaker 1: But there are multiple reasons for that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's basically I can't make it.

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Speaker 1: The real life most important reason for yeah, exactly, he's busy.

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Speaker 1: His calendar is busy. I've had that before. I've asked

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Speaker 1: for something in past lives and they've been like, you

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Speaker 1: can't do it, and I'm like, I didn't even say

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Speaker 1: They're both out of those positions for a while now,

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Speaker 1: so I don't give a shit. But he was like,

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Speaker 3: Did, but probably you did.

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Speaker 1: Probably. Yes, Hey, real quick before we start, and we'll

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Speaker 1: and then plenty of rumors in the whole deal. This

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Speaker 1: it right here. Kratz Stephen A. Smith has had a

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Speaker 1: He was hurt, like kind of I guess, I don't

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Speaker 1: his sophomore season, Kip was a season you know, well,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ninety eight percent of the games, ninety seven percent

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Speaker 1: I want to slander him as an injury prone player.

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Speaker 1: He only played fifty seven games his sophomore year. Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll get him on some time. I think I

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Speaker 1: a case for Skeens and schoobl Skeens has been in

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Speaker 1: I'm healthy. Derek Scooble is in. I think this is fascinating, Kip,

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Speaker 1: involved in trade rumors. I don't know if that's going

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Speaker 1: the Team USA Ball club has had trouble recruiting top

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Speaker 1: So what do you think about the addition here? We'll

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Speaker 2: You'd probably like him.

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Speaker 4: Now you have the better odds to have one of

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Speaker 3: So Mark de Rosa is essentially the team USA Elite

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Speaker 3: For sure? I don't know about WBC, but I know

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Speaker 3: He's gonna get hurt. Just the same chance of getting hurt,

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Speaker 4: That that organization ain't letting you go to this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: lost the World Series the next offseason. While it didn't

432
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Speaker 3: work out, I get it, and so maybe he's a

433
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Speaker 3: little bit retisent to do the same thing he said.

434
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Speaker 3: He went to his he went to his general manager,

435
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: Mike Hasen, and he said, we have a little extra

436
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 3: money coming in because they had all of their they

437
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: had all of the season ticket holders, and they sold

438
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: more season tickets then they had anticipated because of the

439
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: run that they made. And they went out and got

440
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Speaker 3: Jordan Montgomery, who at the point at that time was

441
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: the guy that you know, had had been the guy

442
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Speaker 3: to like, hey, push the Rangers over, and so they said,

443
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: you know what, We're going to go out and make

444
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: that push. It didn't work out, but that's what owners

445
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: are supposed to do. You get a little extra cash,

446
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: you get the taste of winning, and you're like, I

447
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: want to keep winning. At the time, they had Corbyn Carroll,

448
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: you know, Rookie of the Year, MVP type of player.

449
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: They already knew what Ka tell Marte was Erldo Perdomo

450
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: was getting to where he was. I think they always

451
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: knew it. He just had that like he had that

452
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Speaker 3: energy and you know they pushed. So you want that

453
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Speaker 3: type of owner because it's not all about the bottom line,

454
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Speaker 3: it's about the rings.

455
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Speaker 2: Put the rings on that things.

456
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Speaker 1: Kratz, is there a world where they signed Bragman and

457
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Speaker 1: they really gets the return for kateel Marte on guys

458
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: that are ready now, yes, Okay, there's no way you

459
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Speaker 1: would you feel okay about it.

460
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Speaker 3: If they get that top end starting pitcher, If they

461
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Speaker 3: get that guy that would couple with, you know, the

462
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: hope of what Mike Soroka is going to do, the

463
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: hope that Merril Kelly not even hope. I mean, I

464
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: think he's shown he can be a solid contributor. But

465
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Speaker 3: you need somebody that for kateel Marte. You need somebody

466
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Speaker 3: that's going to start game one or game two of

467
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Speaker 3: your postseason. I'm not saying I'm not saying it has

468
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Speaker 3: to be somebody that's starting a game one for everybody,

469
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Speaker 3: but it's somebody that's that's starting, that's starting one of

470
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Speaker 3: those two games. Just because Corbyn Burns isn't going to

471
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Speaker 3: be back for a majority of the season, and I

472
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Speaker 3: think you need somebody depending where he's at, You need

473
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Speaker 3: somebody to be able to slide into that role. And

474
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be That's a tough that's a tough return.

475
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Speaker 3: It's a tough return for the team that's getting rid

476
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Speaker 3: of them, but it's also a tough return for your

477
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 3: scouts saying, I know this guy can definitely start Game

478
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Speaker 3: two for us if Corbyn Burns is one hundred hitting

479
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: on all cylinders going into the playoffs. Because this is

480
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Speaker 3: a Diamondbacks team that they struggled last year. But if

481
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 3: you look at all the last few seasons since they

482
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: were in the World Series, they are right at the cusp.

483
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: They even they've won more games than they did in

484
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: their World Series winning season or World World Series making season.

485
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: They won more games the next year and didn't make

486
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: the playoffs, So they're right on the cusp. And I

487
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: think that starting pitcher plus Bregman would definitely I'd be

488
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Speaker 3: more okay with it than I was when you just say, oh,

489
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Speaker 3: get rid of Catel, We're gonna get Bregman, Because like

490
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Speaker 3: I said yesterday, it's not an upgrade. As much as

491
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Speaker 3: everybody loves Bregman and he's mister consistent, you we have

492
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Speaker 3: a tough time. You have a tough time backfilling with

493
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Speaker 3: what Ca tell Marte has done and will do here

494
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Speaker 3: in the next few years.

495
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Speaker 4: I think pretty standard a lot of people would take

496
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Speaker 4: Marte over Bregman at this point.

497
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Speaker 2: I think that's not knock on bregmant.

498
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Speaker 4: Marte's just been that good the last five years or

499
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Speaker 4: however long he's been doing it. My question would be,

500
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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you Kratz on needing to get

501
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Speaker 4: back that guy who can fill in a number two

502
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 4: starter like that. But if a team's trading for Marte,

503
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 4: they're trying to get better, they're trying to maybe make

504
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Speaker 4: a run and go for it. Are they going to

505
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: really let go of that much big league level.

506
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Speaker 2: Talent a guy like that.

507
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't they need him and try to keep him. I

508
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: feel like they'd be more apt to deal prospects than

509
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: the big league level talent. Uh, if they're they're trying

510
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: to upgrade their big league roster already.

511
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Speaker 3: That's why I think it's a small small window of pitchers,

512
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Speaker 3: Like do the Mariners do the Mariners give up Bryce

513
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: Miller do the Dodgers give up and it's Shean and

514
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: maybe Robleski do. It's those are the two that come

515
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: to my mind right out of the gate, you know,

516
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: like like you just you look around those teams that

517
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Speaker 3: are on that friends that want to upgrade, you know,

518
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: do the Red Sox the Red Sox, I get it.

519
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: They have they have uh Campbell at second base. Yeah,

520
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: at second, but he's in the minor leagues. They signed

521
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: him to an extension so they would need an upgrade

522
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Speaker 3: at second if they don't get Bregman, but they're not.

523
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Speaker 3: They don't have enough pitching that you would you would

524
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Speaker 3: that they would match up. It's a small it's a

525
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: small window of teams. Yeah, I don't. And but I

526
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Speaker 3: think those two teams, the Dodgers and the Mariners, that's

527
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Speaker 3: where That's where I see the Mariners being high up there.

528
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: And I know everybody needs depth and starting pitching, and

529
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: the Mariners saw that last year. They needed depth because

530
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: the year before everybody stayed healthy. It's not going to happen.

531
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Speaker 3: But when you have the depth and the quality depth

532
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: like the Mariners have, I've been calling for it and

533
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: they did it little bit last year going to get

534
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: Suarez and and Naylor at the trade deadline. Now is

535
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Speaker 3: the ka tell Marte piece that makes the Mariners a

536
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: the American League favorites? In my opinion, it does that

537
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: makes that lineup and that starting rotation and that bullpen

538
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: the best team in the American.

539
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Speaker 1: League right Planco had a really strong postseason, but he's nowhere.

540
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: And a strong year mate, Yeah, and a strong year

541
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Speaker 1: and a strong year he did.

542
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Speaker 3: He had like he had a plus one thirty two

543
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: ops plus. I think like that's why he got twenty

544
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: million a year. But when you start talking about katel

545
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: Marte for seventeen a year now at the level that

546
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: he's doing it at, well, Kip, you know you were.

547
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: You were an incredible offensive second baseman. Katl Marte is

548
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: doing things that other guys are not doing at that position.

549
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Speaker 4: I think he's the best second basement in the league

550
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Speaker 4: right now. I think pretty trying to think of who

551
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: else would be above him.

552
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: He does it all.

553
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: He's a gamer, he shows up every day. No, he's

554
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: one of the most reliable guys that you can just

555
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: put his name in and not think twice.

556
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Speaker 1: And later this. Yeah, that's a bargain, right, because Kip.

557
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Boba Schet is eventually going to

558
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: sign with the team as a second baseman, and I

559
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: think he'll immediately become one of the best second basemen

560
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Speaker 1: in baseball. I think he'll be able to handle the

561
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: position and be above average, and then he'll be a

562
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: top three bat at the position. He's going to cost

563
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: like two hundred million dollars. It's basically double coutel.

564
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of how the game works, though,

565
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: the you from football to baseball or anything. Guys signed

566
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: these big deals and then five years later those deals

567
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: look cheap compared to the inflation of the next deals.

568
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: So Marte's deals looking better and better the more that

569
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: all these other deals are coming out.

570
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Speaker 2: That's why.

571
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Polancal forty surprises me a little bit.

572
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: That number.

573
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Speaker 4: I think they overspent a little bit just to make

574
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: sure they got their guy. But getting good for him

575
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: by all means get your money. But if you're looking

576
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: at Marte's deal, there's not many better deals around there,

577
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: so value wise at least.

578
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get to some other notes here from Ken's

579
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: column this morning, he posted about Jorge Polanco. We just

580
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: brought him up. He said. The Rays were Kratz's two

581
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: favorite words related to him. The Rays were in on

582
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Speaker 1: Jorge Polanco and they got out bid, but they were

583
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Speaker 1: trying for him, and they said, cool, this guy can

584
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Speaker 1: play anything infield besides shortstop, which was his original position.

585
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: But he's not really a big league shortstop anymore. So first, second, third,

586
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Speaker 1: DH and you anticipate if they had done that Kratz,

587
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Speaker 1: they would trade Brandon Lauer Yandi dis So if you're

588
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: the Raise, you're probably looking shrewdly and saying, Okay, I

589
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: can spend probably similar money AAV on him compared to

590
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Speaker 1: what Yandhi and Blau are costing me next year year,

591
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: I can trade those guys since they're both entering their

592
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: final seasons. I believe definitely b Lao Yandi. I have

593
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: to look up to confirm that I have gotten conflicting.

594
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's Yandi's last year and

595
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: both of them. I guessed, go ahead team.

596
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I think he has a club op. Okay, I think

597
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm right on this because I was on a Raised

598
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: podcast recently and they said he was a free agent,

599
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: and then I looked it up and I wrote it down,

600
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: and you can't always find everything, but twelve million for

601
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six for Yandy, ten million dollar club option

602
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: or thirteen million investing option if you hit the five

603
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: hundred played appearances. So I think he does actually have

604
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: two years left. So it's two years of Yandy, one

605
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: year of b Lao. So in my mind, Kratz, it

606
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: would have been signed Polanco, trade Brandon Lao and boom,

607
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: there you go. You get a return for a guy

608
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: who's about to leave, and you signed Polanco for a

609
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: similar number. Oops, your number wasn't big enough. They probably

610
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: were like throwing him fifteen and he ends up with

611
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Speaker 1: twenty plus a year.

612
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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna kind of go against that only for

613
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: the simple fact I know he didn't sign there, but

614
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: I know the Rays have made two year deals for

615
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: guys that were exam were exactly what other teams offer. Now,

616
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: were they a little short money wise? Maybe, and maybe

617
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: that's why Polonka went to the Mets. Or just like

618
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: when DJ Lemayhew signed with the Yankees his two year

619
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: deal that he ended up signing and winning a batting title,

620
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: he got the exact same offer from the Rays and

621
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Speaker 3: he felt like the Yankees were at a better spot

622
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: in the sense of, hey, you know what we can

623
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: You know, I can make the playoffs sooner. So maybe

624
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: that's what Polanka was thinking, or maybe it was just

625
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: a dollar for dollar thing. But the Rays on the

626
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: shorter term deals, I say two years to four years,

627
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: they have been in the market for or offering the

628
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: same amount of money that other teams have been offering.

629
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Speaker 3: I just don't think they have that offer, you know,

630
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, yeah, we're ready to win right now.

631
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Speaker 3: It's just more of like, hey, if this is the

632
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: same amount of money, you know, I'm not going to

633
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: go to a place isn't quite ready to win right now.

634
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Speaker 3: And so let's say in this scenario that it was

635
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Speaker 3: two years, forty millions or twenty million a year. Is

636
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: his versatility really that big that you'd be willing to

637
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: get rid of Brandon Lao, who I think is number

638
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: two all time on the home run list. I'm not sure.

639
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: I know he was climbing up the board in Ray's history,

640
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: but you would just because he's more versatile like Jorge

641
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: Polanco DH last year he played all of one inning

642
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: at first base, and I think don't quote me on this,

643
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: but I think he played like ten ten games at

644
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: second base?

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00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: No no played, no no, no, that part you're off

646
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Speaker 1: you played? Do?

647
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Speaker 3: Do I have it mixed up?

648
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Speaker 1: I got this season escapes me quick, But I feel

649
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: like I watched you know, enough Mariner games and saw

650
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: him filling in at second base. It felt like more

651
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: of a split, if I had to guess. But let's

652
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: let's look this up together. And it was smart. It

653
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: kept him off his feet more. How many thirty.

654
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: Four starts at second base? Thirty eight games eighty seven,

655
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: DH's That doesn't sound like somebody that's versatile. It doesn't

656
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: sound like somebody that's yeah, he's willing to play third, second, first.

657
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean the year before that, the year before

658
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: that he played one hundred and nine. So what happened

659
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: last year? What happened last year? Was it the fact

660
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: that how they built the roster of the Mariners said,

661
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, we don't need you that many times, but

662
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: to drop seventy games, Kip, if did you ever drop

663
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: seventy games games played at one at second base from

664
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Speaker 3: one year to.

665
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: The next, Yeah, nineteen and then COVID year the new.

666
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: Thanks Steven a but like off a position, when you're

667
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: moved off a position, I have a hard time believing

668
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: that you're all of a sudden just gonna be like, yeah,

669
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: I'll go play everywhere. I'm not saying he's all time DHS,

670
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 3: but this is why I blasted it for the Mets.

671
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: And if I'm not gonna blast it for the Mets,

672
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: why am I not gonna blast it for the race?

673
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: Twenty million dollars for a guy who supposedly will play third, second,

674
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: first DH. Maybe it'll work, but is that the most value?

675
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 3: Is that more value than branded allow playing every single day?

676
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: Or if he's healthy at second base, that's a team.

677
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: That if he drops seventy games, starting seventy games less

678
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: than next year, is either something happened or some opinion

679
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: changed from the organization to where yeah, I'm with you

680
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 4: on that one.

681
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: How about this, which player would you rather have at

682
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: second base just for next season? Or Hey, Polanco or Brandon.

683
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: Lau That's easy for me, Brandon Lau.

684
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay. I think they probably looked at the two

685
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: this is what the Rays would do and said it's

686
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: close enough. Let's bring on Polanco. Planco has less swing

687
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: and miss I mean they're very different hitting profiles. Las

688
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: big pop, big swing and miss guy Planco will give

689
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: you a kind of a mix. But like you said,

690
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: you're a lot less second base lately. Yeah, I guess

691
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: you're right. Two years ago, the strike out numbers were.

692
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: High, right, they were. Really That's why they that's why

693
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: they brought them in. They said, they said, oh yeah,

694
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: you know, we're we want we want less strikeout guys.

695
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: And they went to the Mariners and they were like,

696
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: come on, Jorge, you can strike out too. And he

697
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: was like, okay, cool, it's no problem. Nobody's nobody's gonna

698
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: give me a tough time.

699
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: He's needed a year. It was a year. Buffer.

700
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: Oh, the batter's eye. The batter's eye was angled.

701
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: It was tough to sy Yeah, exactly.

702
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.

703
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: That's what he said.

704
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: That's what he said.

705
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Tiger's President of baseball Operation, Scott Harris,

706
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: has been fielding a number of questions about the future

707
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: of the franchise. They went through your classic rebuild. They've

708
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: had a nice run the last couple of years. That

709
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: included getting very very close to advancing past the Seattle Mariners.

710
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: They lost in that game five, but again, you know,

711
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: he looked at a team that kind of collapsed down

712
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: the stretch, still made the playoffs, Still be Cleveland. It's

713
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: back to back seasons where the results are strong, and

714
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: you want to build on that because you went through

715
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: the pain previously. Instead, Tiger's fans are frustrated. They're dealing

716
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: with Derek's Google trade rumors and not a ton of

717
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: action and whispers about what's happening right Some reliever signings

718
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: cute Kenlee Jansen and Kyle Finnegan, but will the Tigers

719
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: do something big? Scott Harris was asked about this and

720
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: his response has gone viral. And this team is going

721
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: to change. This roster is going to change.

722
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 5: So like on the pitching side, for instance, like last

723
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 5: year around this time, nobody really was talking about Droy Melton,

724
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden, he's a huge part

725
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: of what we're doing. Like, there are a lot of

726
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: young players that are coming right now, a lot of

727
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 5: guys that aren't necessarily top of mind, but they're going

728
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: to be top of mine this summer. They are going

729
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: to be a huge part of this and we have

730
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: to make space for that sort of natural change here,

731
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 5: So Becauson, I understand by the nature of the question

732
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: that the roster and the offense looks the same. Yeah,

733
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 5: I agree that the names are very similar right now,

734
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: but this team is not the same. This team is

735
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: changing on an individual and a collective level.

736
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: That segment brought to you by Captain Obvious. Yes, nobody

737
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: is the same on a day to day basis, but

738
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: I would say this right to him if he was

739
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: on the show, Kip, that's not really the answer people

740
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: are looking for. And also everyone's aware that players are

741
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: going to get better, some players are actually going to

742
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: get worse. But they're asking you about a change in personnel,

743
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: not a significant one, but for example, can you switch

744
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: up the offense a little bit by adding a bat.

745
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: That's the kind of question that was asked, and the

746
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: answer feels insulting to the crowd because it's like, well,

747
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: we aren't the same, You're going to get a different

748
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: version of Riley Green and Troy Melon.

749
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 4: By his reasoning, every other team is getting better too,

750
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: because all their players should be also along that same thing. Well,

751
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: they're also the other teams are making moves, so they're

752
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: getting better players who are getting better at the same

753
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: time exponentially getting better now as a team.

754
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: No, it's not the right answer.

755
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: I would imagine he would want that back or just

756
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: to hey, kicking the butt to go make some moves

757
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 4: here or something. Because you are on the verge of

758
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 4: becoming a good playoff team and having a deep run.

759
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: You've been right there the last couple of years. They

760
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: did collapse down the last month, but they made up

761
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 4: for it. No, no fan wants to hear, hey, everything's fine.

762
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: When when you didn't win the World Series the preentire year.

763
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you when everything was not fine. We're not

764
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 3: even talking about the second half when I even talked

765
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: they made the playoffs, they squeaked in. Since Friday, October tenth,

766
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: at like I'm gonna say, twelve thirty at night, it

767
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: may have been October eleventh at like one thirty, the

768
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: Tigers still haven't scored a run. I think their last

769
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: run that that game was in the sixth inning. So

770
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: you know what, No, it's not okay. This team was

771
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: so close to going to the American League Championship Series

772
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: and they have the best pitcher for one more year.

773
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: I want a GM as reckless as it can be

774
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: But as a fan, I want a GM to say, yes,

775
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to push. I'm going to push to get

776
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: a guy in here that will make these young players,

777
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: which hey are going to get better because they have

778
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: another year in their repertoire, another year under their belt.

779
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: To me, this is when you put your job on

780
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: the line and it's okay to say I'm willing to

781
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: put this job on the line, and the organization says,

782
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: ownership says, that's cool. I like that. We know it

783
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: could make us take a step back in two or

784
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: three years, or it could propel us to be a

785
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: beast of the American League Central, which is winnable every

786
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: single year, and you push forward because you have a

787
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: guy that can change an entire five game series in

788
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: Trek Scoble pitching twice.

789
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with the Tigers, it's a different regime

790
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: these days. We are now years away from how Mike

791
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Illich operated the team, and this is just generally how

792
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: it works. You pass it on to the next generation.

793
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: They're going to run it differently. They're often going to

794
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: run it more quote efficient, and they don't look at

795
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: it like we talked about earlier. Ken Kendrick and his

796
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: toy and suddenly deciding he really likes Alex Bragman or

797
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: he really liked Corbyn Burns. That's just not how most

798
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: of the next generation works when they get past a team,

799
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: and so let's take it a step further, then they

800
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: look for someone who's aligned with their values, that is

801
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: running the day to day in the front office. So

802
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: that is what Scott Hires believes in and does put

803
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: you in a position to compete and maybe put together

804
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: something that consistently pumps out prospects and good young players. Kip,

805
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: but where are we right now? We're at a point

806
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: where this team could push it in and two years

807
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: from now they don't have Schooble and you know they're

808
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: in a weird spot. Okay, people aren't going to be

809
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: looking at you like what you have to keep going.

810
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you hope that the team's in a good

811
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: spot where everybody got better, because everybody's getting better every

812
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: single day in life. But the point is that I

813
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: think fan look at things much simpler than the viewpoint

814
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: that is pushed out to them. Right, it's all about

815
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: the long term vision, and you know, everyone's getting better

816
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: every day and we're being really methodical about what we

817
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: do and how we evaluate, and we don't want to

818
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: block anyone be a free agency, like not fuck all

819
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: that you guys rebuilt for a while. Now you're in

820
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: your winning window. Put the fricking cherry on top, and

821
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: then we'll worry about the shit in a few years.

822
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: That's it.

823
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: That's the whole name of the game. And when it

824
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: starts to get really cute with like the terminology that

825
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: nobody likes, it gets really frustrating. So we're actually taking

826
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: it easy on this case. Right now in Detroit, they're

827
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: having a field day with this stuff because they're pissed off.

828
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: They're like, we've been waiting. This is the one time

829
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: where you either make a decision you're not going to

830
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: pay Tarek Schoogle, you trade his as because you're gonna

831
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: get a lot for him, or you keep him for

832
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: one more year and you load the hell up and

833
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: have a chance to win a World Series this season.

834
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.

835
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: Doing nothing, you're you're basically saying I'm doing something by

836
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: doing nothing, and you're gonna look back on it and

837
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: being like I didn't do a crap once once you

838
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: realize if it doesn't work out. It's like every GM

839
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 4: hopes all their players get better. Every player hopes all

840
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 4: their players get better. But that's not a move, it's

841
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: not you're not telling a fan base. Hey, we respect

842
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: you guys. We're going to try to put the best

843
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 4: product out there. The best product is not standing pat

844
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 4: on something that didn't work the prior year, in my opinion.

845
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: But that's just my It's also bad business. It's just

846
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: bad business, dude. Like the off season is a bad hope, excitement,

847
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: season ticket sign ups. It's it's just bad optics. We

848
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: we are getting better, our players are getting better. I've

849
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: got one guy who's doing the you know who's who's

850
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: at the gym right now, and he's on They're.

851
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: They're getting better. You're not getting better. They're helping the

852
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: team get better. What are you doing as a GM

853
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: to help the team get better?

854
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: Then?

855
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 2: Wise, why are you there?

856
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: Because all the players are working hard and trying to

857
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: improve it already. That's then then they're trying to get better.

858
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 4: They're getting better. What are you doing, though, to help

859
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: them get better? It sounds like nothing at the point.

860
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: I think we just had Zach Rosenthal. I know this

861
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: gets clipped and everything. We just had Zach rosenthal On

862
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: who was in the or in the front office with

863
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: the Rockies, and I would love to ask him. Why

864
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: do gms not say, yes, I want to push all in?

865
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: Is it because they really really want and want to

866
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: keep that job for as long as possible because you're

867
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: going to be out of that GM role at some point.

868
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: Don't you want to say, I'm pushing all in. I

869
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: want to be the best I can possibly be this

870
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: season while also being the best I can be next

871
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: season while the best Like that is what players do

872
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 3: because players know you might play ten years, you might

873
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: play one year. And players that have regrets at the

874
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: end their career are always the players who didn't put

875
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 3: everything they had into it they could. They're like, man,

876
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: I wish as a rookie, I wouldn't have jacked around

877
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: so much. I wish I had done more of this

878
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: because I noticed it later in my career. It was

879
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: more like the guys who didn't put everything into it

880
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 3: have more regrets. I wonder if gms feel that way too,

881
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: And here's.

882
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: My thing, No, I mean they feel that way, but

883
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: they can't say anything. Although some don't feel that way.

884
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I actually genuinely believe that Scott Harris is just very

885
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: careful and calculated one of those super careful calculated guys.

886
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal brought it up. He's as dialed in as

887
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: anyone on the Maxia Beach GM. I mean, it sounds

888
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: like Scott Harris is very much the opposite of Dave Dombrowski.

889
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: And that's a thing, right. Everybody has their style. He's

890
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: fitting to the style of who the owner wanted to hire.

891
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's pissing everyone off is that

892
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: most Tiger fans are being pretty rational. They know they're

893
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: not about to sweep the free agent field, but they're like,

894
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: can you give us something Gwen did? Detroit all completely

895
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: into low market abyss and the team's doing well. They're

896
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: showing up butts are putting in seats.

897
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: Right.

898
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: One big move Kratz right one can completely change things

899
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: and as you guys know, completely changed the clubhouse. You

900
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: show up spring training, you're like, let's fucking go, look

901
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: who showed.

902
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: Up one guy. Because we look at it on such

903
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: a linear level, that's that game. That game. At the

904
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 3: end of the year, it probably wouldn't even have gotten

905
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: a game five to be honest, and then you would

906
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: have had Trek Scuebell pitching in Game one of the

907
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: American League Championship Series, probably Game four and again in

908
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: Game seven. But one guy could have changed that one

909
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 3: guy in that lineup. Did they try for Alex bragmant? Absolutely,

910
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: But this is what I'm talking about. You can pay

911
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: anybody to try get it across the line. What does

912
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 3: it take. I'm not saying they need help at second

913
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: base because Glaber just came back. He signed, you know,

914
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: he took the qualifying offer. But what if they had

915
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: ka Tell Marte there's a lot of what ifs, but

916
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: push those what ifs off the table. I get it.

917
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: You're not in on Kyle Tucker. That's fine. One guy

918
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: that is an aircraft carrier, that is a difference maker,

919
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: changes your entire season last year. Don't let it happen again.

920
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: Don't let Trek scooble go without seeing a World Series

921
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: in Detroit because I know fans. Kip knows this, he

922
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: played in the division. Fans come out and watch their

923
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: team in Detroit.

924
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh that's a hard place to play. When

925
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: those fans show up, that place gets me mocking.

926
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: And it's so weird because it's like a it's a

927
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: single level stadium. You know, it feels like they're like

928
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: on top of you. It almost feels you know, it's

929
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: just different. I feel like it's different. Play against them

930
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: early early tens, twenty tens when they were when they

931
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: were the bomb dot Com, it was like, oh man,

932
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: this lineup is suffocating. These starting pitchers are suffocating, these

933
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: fans are suffol I love it because it's such a

934
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: passionate city for their city, like you're Detroit, like you

935
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: love your city of Detroit.

936
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: Facts.

937
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what they do. They've got a

938
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: couple months to figure this out. And it's really just

939
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: one move that can win fans back over because they're

940
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: pissed right now and they shouldn't be coming off that postseason. Also,

941
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: maybe they're just looking at it too soon and not

942
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: waiting for the right move to happen. But this particular

943
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: quote is why we want to spend ten minutes on it.

944
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: It went super viral. I'm like flipping through things last

945
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: night on Twitter and this quote just keeps popping up

946
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: again and again, and people are like, bro, really think

947
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: if you were sitting with your buddy and He's trying

948
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: to explain something super basic to you, and you're like,

949
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: is that really what you just explained? Like, your players

950
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: are gonna probably get better the same exact ones you're

951
00:49:50,560 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: teaching me about development, got it, let's lap. Sorry, I

952
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: can't I cut you with our cool animation by accident,

953
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: you got last word here?

954
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: What do you What do you got to say?

955
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 4: Isn't isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing

956
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: over and over and expecting different results.

957
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: So yes, it's just it's just not the answer. It's

958
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: just such a tough answer to say. Yeah, we are

959
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: getting better. Look, I mean, Ft is better, Kratz is

960
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: here today, he's better than he was yesterday. Actually it's

961
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: not even true, right, Yeah, half your players might get

962
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: better next year, and half your players might get worse

963
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: because there's no chance it is not physically possible for

964
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: next year in MLB every single to be a better

965
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: every single player to be a better version of himself.

966
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: You can't have everybody's eras go down and everybody's hitting

967
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: stats go up. It's not possible.

968
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: Doesn't work that way.

969
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: New But.

970
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: I was better today than I was yesterday.

971
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: But I think you're better every day.

972
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: Because Jason made me better.

973
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: We make each other better. Bud, miss you guys.

974
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: Missed you too, dude. It's good to see you have

975
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: a great holiday, right. I don't think we'll catch it

976
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: until January. We don't have many shows left. We'll say thirty,

977
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: we only have three shows left, and then I will

978
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: say we've been racking up some cool content that we

979
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: are going to unveil between Christmas Eve and New Year's

980
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: so that we keep you entertained on the YouTube channel

981
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: and on the podcast feed. We'll get into that more

982
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: as we continue. We also have an event announcement tomorrow,

983
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: so we'll see you then.

984
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 2: Awesome.

985
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: I don't even know it. I'm so excited I'll be here.

986
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: You're not invited.

987
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: But it hurts. It hurts in crazy nights