WEBVTT - Let Tim Cook

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media, Hello and welcome to better Offline, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, and generally optimistic man ed Zeitron. What else?

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, Apple announced Apple Intelligence, the suite of features

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<v Speaker 1>coming to iosat and that's the next version of the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone software, in a presentation that Fast Company called uninspired,

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<v Speaker 1>futurism called boring, and Axios claimed failed to excite investors.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not even check the stocktic anyway. The presentation

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<v Speaker 1>given at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, usually referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>WWDC and where Apple usually announces its next software updates,

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<v Speaker 1>felt remarkably demure in comparison to May's Google IO conference,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Google's equivalent, where CEO Sandhar Pashai and Head

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<v Speaker 1>of Search Liz Read hype the next generation of Google

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<v Speaker 1>products and search updates that absolutely nobody asked for. Historically,

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<v Speaker 1>what WHDe Developers Conference is where Apple announced major updates

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<v Speaker 1>to both its product and software lineups. A WWDC two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, the late Steve Jobs announced the company

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<v Speaker 1>would move from IBM designed and Motorola manufactured power PC processors,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing for faster and more power efficient computers, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the ability to duel boot Windows, a huge moment

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<v Speaker 1>for Max that was met with rancorous applause from people

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<v Speaker 1>that really should have known better. Fifteen years later, Tim Cook,

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<v Speaker 1>now CEO, would announce Apple's shift away from Intel stagnating

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<v Speaker 1>X eight six architecture to Apple's homegrown ARM based processes,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with the M series processes that have now become

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<v Speaker 1>ubiquitous across MAX and iPads, one which was met with

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<v Speaker 1>the bombastic promise that these were the most powerful chips

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<v Speaker 1>ever created. I should add, by the way, the M

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<v Speaker 1>series processes are actually probably one of the better things

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<v Speaker 1>that's come out in the last ten years. The average

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<v Speaker 1>MacBook Air is insanely fast now, like I have a

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<v Speaker 1>MacBook Pro. It's phenomenal. A lot of you say, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not positive, Okay, these are things I like. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>things I like. Are you happy now? I am kind

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<v Speaker 1>of anyway. WWDC is where Apple has unveiled every new

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<v Speaker 1>version of the Mac operating System OSX. It's where the

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<v Speaker 1>original Mac Pro, FaceTime and the iPhone app Store were

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<v Speaker 1>introduced to the world. This is the conference where Apple

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<v Speaker 1>flexes its muscles and boasts about how powerful and important

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is. Now you can understand why this year was

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<v Speaker 1>just so strange. Gone was Apple's trademark bombast, It's propensity

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<v Speaker 1>to tell the world how good it was at everything

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<v Speaker 1>and how important its next big thing was. Instead, we

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<v Speaker 1>got this weird juxtaposition between we're putting AI on your

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<v Speaker 1>phone and it's totally fine. It's not big deal. You

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be scared at doors. It's not that big a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't be mad at us. Despite this ostensibly being

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's big artificial intelligence play, CEO Tim Cook and SVP

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<v Speaker 1>of Engineering Craig VEDERIGGI spend far more time explaining how

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<v Speaker 1>much they love privacy and shareish your data and would

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<v Speaker 1>never share it with anyone, and listen to all the

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<v Speaker 1>ways we're keeping it private, before casually sauntering into a

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<v Speaker 1>series of product updates that appear to actually use AI

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<v Speaker 1>for a purpose and kind of useful and hardly suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple is intentionally trying to distance itself from the

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<v Speaker 1>AI hype train. And while it's integrating CHATGBT intoosaighteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, I'll get to later, it's doing so an

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<v Speaker 1>arms length approach, with most of the day to DAAI

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<v Speaker 1>work done by the company's own models and actually on

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<v Speaker 1>your device these AI integrations, which arrive some time in

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<v Speaker 1>the fall to the iPhone fifteen Pro and iPhone fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>Promax that's autumn for my British readers and listeners, along

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<v Speaker 1>with iPad and MacBooks with M one or later chips.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fairly straightforward and don't do anything we haven't really

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<v Speaker 1>seen elsewhere, which is kind of the Apple game. Apple's

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<v Speaker 1>AI can generate transcripts of cause, but not before warning

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<v Speaker 1>participants that it's doing so, generate images through a tool

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<v Speaker 1>called image Playground, help write and rewrite emails kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like grammarly does, and perform distinct actions across multiple apps,

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<v Speaker 1>like adding slides to a presentation or opening a web

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<v Speaker 1>image with the photos app where you can edit it.

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<v Speaker 1>The last items a little bit fuzzy is it extends

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<v Speaker 1>to both Apple's own apps and other third party apps,

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<v Speaker 1>and the functionality itself is expected to roll out over

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<v Speaker 1>the coming year or so, and as ever, take any

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<v Speaker 1>promises made without a demo with a big grain of salt,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess is just a regular grain of salt

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it. Apple also says that Siri

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<v Speaker 1>will soon have an awareness of what's on your screen

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to respond appropriately. In one of their demos,

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<v Speaker 1>you're filling out a form that asks for your driver's

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<v Speaker 1>license number. Siri can then look through your photo library,

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<v Speaker 1>identify any pictures of your license, and grab the pertinent

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<v Speaker 1>information for you. Equal parts useful and creepy and also

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<v Speaker 1>I really do not recommend having a picture of your

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license saved on your phone. But thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>power of artificial intelligence, you can now generate your own

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<v Speaker 1>custom emojis, a feature that screams, we have to fill

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes of this goddamn presentation, But nevertheless they

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<v Speaker 1>were quite excited, more excited than the open Ai integration, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've said, I will get to you later as

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<v Speaker 1>it requires a bit of space for me to laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Apple claims that many of these features run entirely on

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<v Speaker 1>your device, and those that don't use something called private

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<v Speaker 1>cloud compute, where Apple claims in a lengthy privacy statement

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<v Speaker 1>I'll link to that at no time will anyone ever

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<v Speaker 1>have any access to any of the data that's being

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<v Speaker 1>processed on their servers, even and I quote during active processing,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning when Apple's servers are handling the request. Apple has

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<v Speaker 1>also offered security researchers the opportunity to personally verify the

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<v Speaker 1>claims it's making, and in general the news it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have been well received, though some, like Chief Privacy

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Steve Wilson of EXABEAM told Dark Reading, worry that

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<v Speaker 1>threats in generative AI are poorly understood and that despite

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's best efforts and no doubt heavy policing, some will

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<v Speaker 1>slip through the cracks. On some level, Wilson is being

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<v Speaker 1>a little alarmist, with his only criticism being that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know everything about this thing generative AI, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>should be scared about what we don't know, which isn't wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, he's right in so far, and

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<v Speaker 1>that we are relatively early days into the mass scale

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<v Speaker 1>use of large language models like Apples, like GPT, like

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<v Speaker 1>anthropics Claude. Apple has chosen, albeit cautiously, to take the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of integrating these models into devices at a time

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<v Speaker 1>when companies like Google and Meta have proven that one

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<v Speaker 1>cannot simply trust that a multi trillion dollar company will

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the stability and privacy of a product, or for

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<v Speaker 1>that matter, can guarantee the accuracy of its outputs. Also

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't help that Apple CEO Tim Cook told The

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post that Apple's AI is short of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent when it comes to hallucinations, which, as a reminder,

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<v Speaker 1>are when these llms tell you something authoritatively that isn't true.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a little bit worrying when we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about an AI model that's taking actions across your apps.

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<v Speaker 1>These features are predominantly running on Apple's own models, like

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<v Speaker 1>I've said, so, not on GPT or claud or anything, which,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Apple, are trained using licensed data such as

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<v Speaker 1>images licensed from Shutterstock, data selected to enhance specific features.

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<v Speaker 1>No idea what this means, but it's from licensed data

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<v Speaker 1>at least, as well as publicly available data collected by

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's WebCrawler Applebot, which Apple allows publishers to alpt out

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<v Speaker 1>of using a rule added to their website's code, which

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<v Speaker 1>I should add, does not solve the bloody problem if

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<v Speaker 1>Apple has already used the data for training purposes, which

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<v Speaker 1>is bordering on impossible to confirm, I should add, I

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<v Speaker 1>have added this code to my website. You're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>my blogs, mister Cook. And the thing is, if Apple

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<v Speaker 1>already has done this, if they've already scraped this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>if they've used publicly available, which could mean any website

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<v Speaker 1>on Google, for example. It's indicative of some really shady, shitty,

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<v Speaker 1>underhanded behavior. Well, it's fair to say that Applebot the webscraper,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't you. It arrived at some point in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really publicized that much, save for a few

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<v Speaker 1>posts on Apple rumor sites speculating that the company was

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<v Speaker 1>working on a replacement to Google Search, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>had never happened because Google pays over ten billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year to Apple for that monopoly Jesus Christ. Prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the launch of Apple's generative AI features, Applebot's sole

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<v Speaker 1>stated purpose was to provide data for Siri and Searchlight,

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<v Speaker 1>the search built into Mac OSX that scours both the

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<v Speaker 1>user's hard drive so that it can pull data out

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<v Speaker 1>so say you're looking for a file, or it can

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<v Speaker 1>search for something on the Internet. Generally a useful feature,

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<v Speaker 1>but an entirely different one to a generative AI one.

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<v Speaker 1>If Apple is already training its models on data scraped

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<v Speaker 1>by Applebot, it will be immensely deceptive, using a tool

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<v Speaker 1>way beyond its intended purpose, or at least its advertised one.

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<v Speaker 1>If this came to pass, those unwilling to have their

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<v Speaker 1>content repurpose this training data for a trillion dollar take

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<v Speaker 1>company would really have nowhere to go. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to do? Getting an AI to unlearn something isn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly straightforward, and Apple has yet to explain how that

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<v Speaker 1>might work. I've reached out to Apple for comment here,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's unclear exactly how it intends to fulfill this

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<v Speaker 1>promise that you can opt out of being included in

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<v Speaker 1>their training data, especially if the applebot crawler has already

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<v Speaker 1>allowed said data to be fed into the model. If

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<v Speaker 1>I hear back, it'll be a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>pain in the ass, but I will update that here.

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<v Speaker 1>And because I love you all, I love you all

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Though Apple has done a better job than most,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gross. It's disgusting, especially for the generally the best

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<v Speaker 1>of the big tech companies to do the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>all these people have done. It's disgraceful that, yeah, another

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<v Speaker 1>big tech company has seen the open Internet as its

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<v Speaker 1>personal property, despite publishing a remarkable amount of information about

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<v Speaker 1>their privacy standards and how their models are trained. Apple

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<v Speaker 1>likely hopes that this privacy focused media blitz will hide

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's ripping off everybody's work, just like Google,

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<v Speaker 1>just like open ai, and just like Anthropic and Meta,

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<v Speaker 1>except it's doing so in a way that's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit easier for the media to swallow, because the main

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<v Speaker 1>selling point of its AI is not vomiting out oodles

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<v Speaker 1>of anodyne business bullshare. Unless you're using the smart reply

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<v Speaker 1>feature in mail, which drafts a response to an email

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<v Speaker 1>for you. I'm just I really don't understand people need that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry if you can't email someone back with your

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<v Speaker 1>brain words, what's going on? Seriously, what's going on? But

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks, though, It really sucks even for the smallest

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<v Speaker 1>feature to have to steal people's work, especially when you

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<v Speaker 1>have what two hundred billion dollars in the bank. Just

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<v Speaker 1>a complete mark of disrespect against anyone who isn't an

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<v Speaker 1>Apple user, and plenty of people who are. This is

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<v Speaker 1>particularly worrying when you consider Apple's image generation features, which

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<v Speaker 1>will function similarly to chat GPT and stable diffusion and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting to chat GPT. Well, I'd love to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple has only used licensed content to train its models.

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<v Speaker 1>It really isn't the case. And if their version of

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<v Speaker 1>publicly available includes things from Google or DeviantArt or social networks.

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<v Speaker 1>Apples just part the problem. They just part the pillaging

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet. They are stealing, just like all the

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<v Speaker 1>other big tech companies, and there's just this is a

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<v Speaker 1>time when I feel a little helpless forever. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you do here, and I don't think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear anything back from them. But as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>I've requested comment from Apple about this, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that I get an answer. Apple's approach to PR doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>film me full of hope, though. It's almost as contemptuous

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<v Speaker 1>as testless. They only really provide comment and interviews or

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<v Speaker 1>review samples that those journalists they've deemed worthy, and only

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<v Speaker 1>really on certain subjects. It's a style that mirrors the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of haughty, snooty image it crafted in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands with those goddamn I'm a mac ads, with

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<v Speaker 1>reporters divided into worthy and unworthy camps, meaning, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>those who would bend the knee to mister Jobs and

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<v Speaker 1>his company and those who would not. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>there weren't many who wouldn't. But okay, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>put these very real concerns aside, Apple's AI announcement feels

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<v Speaker 1>equal parts useful and extremely strange. These are not world

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<v Speaker 1>changing integrations. They're useful ones transcriptions, a better SII that

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<v Speaker 1>works like it's meant to, that can take actions across

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<v Speaker 1>multiple apps and know what you're talking about based on

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing on the screen theoretically at least, a

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<v Speaker 1>better photos app with better search, which is already in

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<v Speaker 1>the product already, and the ability to edit photos with

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<v Speaker 1>AI and remove things and backgrounds. These are cool features.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the kind of things that Google would staple

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<v Speaker 1>onto a pixel phone to pretend you're going to buy

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<v Speaker 1>one instead of an iPhone. And these are all things

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<v Speaker 1>that a user could foreseeably want to use in their

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<v Speaker 1>daily lives without being told that they're in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>in large part because they are not. In fact, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>argue that Apple's biggest generative AI push is in trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sell us back the idea that Siri can actually

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<v Speaker 1>do stuff, years after most users accepted that it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a voice controlled roulette wheel that occasionally understood you,

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<v Speaker 1>and for my Scottish, British and other people with accent friends,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very occasionally. What's weird, though, is my Apple TV

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<v Speaker 1>remote can understand me every time I say like the

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<v Speaker 1>Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassis, and it will pop up immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>But I tell my phone, hey, can you play this

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<v Speaker 1>song on this home pod? And it just freaks out.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a complete conniption. It's so strange. Nevertheless, putting

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<v Speaker 1>all my jokes aside, looking at everything here, I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't get over how reserved Apple is being about artificial intelligence. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Google has desperately tried and completely failed to convince Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street that it's building and selling the future by putting

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<v Speaker 1>generative AI into search and making it worse. Apple's almost

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to explain how boring and normal your iPhone and

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<v Speaker 1>Matt could be, and how Apple intelligence is just another

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<v Speaker 1>feature that will make you want to keep using Apple products,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than the reason that Apple should be worth forty

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars and keep growing forever. I like how wireds

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<v Speaker 1>Will Knight put it. He said that AI is a

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<v Speaker 1>feature rather than the product. And this is what's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about this. Apple really doesn't feel like they're selling

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<v Speaker 1>us the future. They feel like they're selling us the present.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's good that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple isn't rushing, but also the fact that Apple isn't

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<v Speaker 1>rushing kind of says something about the wider AI movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It suggests that outside of what they're offering, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really see much value to it. And now we reach

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<v Speaker 1>the funny part. Quietly stapled onto the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement of Apple Intelligence was integration of open AI's chat

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<v Speaker 1>GPT in arguably the vaguest least consequential way that I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen a product launch. After spending an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, actually more so talking about how great its

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<v Speaker 1>own AI features were, Craig Federighi mentioned that and I quote,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other artificial intelligence tools available that can be

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<v Speaker 1>useful for tasks that draw on board world knowledge or

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<v Speaker 1>offer specialized domain expertise just fuck just completely stupid anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>saying that Apple wanted users to be able to and

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<v Speaker 1>again I quote, use these external models without having to

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<v Speaker 1>jump between different tools, integrating them directly into Apple's OS.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting with the pioneer and market leader, open Ai. Apple's

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<v Speaker 1>integration with open ai, the supposed big dog, the big

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<v Speaker 1>swinging dick of the tech industry, in the biggest announcement

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<v Speaker 1>for the company in years, was explicitly advertised as the

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<v Speaker 1>first of multiple integrations with multiple models, and not even

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<v Speaker 1>kidding literally that was the end of the announcement. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very funny. And even then, chat GPT's integration with Siri

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<v Speaker 1>is entirely opt in, with certain requests that they were

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<v Speaker 1>very unspecific about, occasionally prompting Apple to ask you if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to run them through chat gpt, like I

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<v Speaker 1>have these ingredients, what meal can I make? And other

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<v Speaker 1>questions that tens, maybe even hundreds of people will find useful.

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<v Speaker 1>Or having chat gpt write a bedtime story for your

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<v Speaker 1>kid if for some reason you lack books or creativity,

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<v Speaker 1>or you feed into this weird thing with AI people

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<v Speaker 1>where they think everything has to be about you and

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<v Speaker 1>that you must be the star of every story. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a separate podcast ed put it away. Chat gpt can

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<v Speaker 1>also generate images and summarize documents, features already available in

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's own AI. This underwhelming addition to an already placid

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<v Speaker 1>announcement ends with Apple adding that it intends to add

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<v Speaker 1>support for other AI models in the future, before moving

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<v Speaker 1>on to how developers can integrate Apple's own AI. The

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<v Speaker 1>deal that would supposedly cement Sam Mortman's hold on Silicon

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<v Speaker 1>Valley and Open Ai ended up being a two minute

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<v Speaker 1>long sidebar at the end of a near two hour

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<v Speaker 1>long announcement, one that requires users to agree every single

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<v Speaker 1>time they interact with it, with no specifics about how

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<v Speaker 1>often that a user would actually see chat GPT. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the insane romanticization of Sam Wrtman's incredible technology, Apple's approaches

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<v Speaker 1>one that begins and ends with them saying do you

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<v Speaker 1>really want to use this? And a remarkable lack of

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<v Speaker 1>excitement or trust While it remains to be seen exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how often you'll be prompted to use it. Chat GPT's

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<v Speaker 1>addition to Apple products feels far more like something cooked

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<v Speaker 1>up to police Wall Street, and it worked, briefly, making

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<v Speaker 1>Apple the most valuable US company, beating Microsoft just for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, or without having to invest billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>into another company. Now, quick side note, there's undoubtedly here

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<v Speaker 1>a level of cya covering one's ass here. If Apple could,

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<v Speaker 1>it would undoubtedly monopolize AI on the iPhone, much like

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<v Speaker 1>it has without distribution and browser rendering engines. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>bit of the web browser that turns HTMLCSS and JavaScript

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<v Speaker 1>into a web page. From the beginning, Apple has saw

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<v Speaker 1>absolute control of the iOS and its derivatives ipied os,

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<v Speaker 1>tvOS and watch os ecosystems, using user safety as a

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<v Speaker 1>justification for well, they're kind of benevolent dictatorship. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is the line between protecting users and anti competitive behavior

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<v Speaker 1>is thin, and indeed, regulators, particularly those in the European Commission,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't convinced that Apple's iinclad control of the iPhone is

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<v Speaker 1>entirely altruistic. And that's why you can access alternative app

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<v Speaker 1>stores in the European Union and even install apps directly

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<v Speaker 1>from the web. And it's why you're no longer tied

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<v Speaker 1>into using the Safari WebKit rendering engine, even if you

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<v Speaker 1>install an alternative browser like Brave or Safari or Firefox. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>if Apple iced out open AI or Anthropic, they both

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<v Speaker 1>could conceivably complain about Apple to the European Commission, who

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<v Speaker 1>might rule in favor of them and order Apple to

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<v Speaker 1>start supporting their models, in addition to levying a huge

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<v Speaker 1>multi billion dollar EUROFIE. And so Apple chose to save

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<v Speaker 1>itself the hassle and the cost and buried open Ai

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of them in the back. One might

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<v Speaker 1>imagine though, putting aside by cynicism, this is still a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, right, Wow, Chat GPT on every iPhone, well,

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone fifteen pro and so on. That's millions, hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people, tons of M one and M two

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<v Speaker 1>and M three mags. It's a huge deal. Each time

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<v Speaker 1>that someone interacts with chat gpt. Even though they're not profitable,

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<v Speaker 1>that's still a sliver of revenue. They're still paying chat gpt, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not just stapling this on, Sam Altman isn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for exposure? Is he? Yes? He is. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a coup at all, at least not one for

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai. As reported by Bloomberg's Mark German, Apple didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give open Ai any money to integrate Chat gpt, paying

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<v Speaker 1>them in distribution. As I said, for a tool that

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<v Speaker 1>loses the money on literally every transaction, Apple doesn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be paying anything. German also reports that users will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to upgrade their chat GPT accounts to chat

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<v Speaker 1>gpt Plus through the integration. No idea, I'm sorry, it's

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<v Speaker 1>far you get more requests, I get, who cares? But

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<v Speaker 1>the important thing is that upgrading to chat gpt plus

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<v Speaker 1>will likely operate on the same terms as every other

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<v Speaker 1>digital good and iOS, meaning that open ai will be

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<v Speaker 1>paying thirty percent of that take to Apple unless the

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<v Speaker 1>user upgrades directly on chat GPT's website. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>good for this company, to be clear, In most cases,

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<v Speaker 1>companies integrating chat gpt pay them on a per thousand

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<v Speaker 1>token basis, meaning that open ai will, while unprofitable, still

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<v Speaker 1>generate revenue of some kind when people ask them stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet Apple's deal doesn't appear to pay them at all,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that every single time that someone uses chat gpt

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<v Speaker 1>on their iOS device, they will be bleeding money. The

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<v Speaker 1>more popular or it is, the more money it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose them. It's a terrible deal, folks. This deal

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<v Speaker 1>is equal parts perilous and hilarious. It's so funny, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that could genuinely end up hurting open Ai,

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<v Speaker 1>all while insulating Apple. In the event that this integration

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<v Speaker 1>actually sees adoption by Apples hundreds of millions of users,

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to cost open ai incredible amounts of money

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to the fact that generative AI is both compute

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<v Speaker 1>and energy intensive unlike any other piece of tech, especially

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<v Speaker 1>as I imagine most users will ask it the occasional

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<v Speaker 1>question and find no reason to opt into the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a month Chat GPT plus subscription. Why would you care?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the use of this? On some level, it

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<v Speaker 1>also shows a remarkable amount of disdain from Apple towards

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai. Most deals that hinge on the vast reach

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<v Speaker 1>of the iOS ecosystem involve some kind of exchange of money.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty two, Google paid roughly twenty billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to be the default search engine on iOS. And just

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, that deal very clearly a mob style thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just Google saying, look it would be won't please

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 1>don't build a search and please don't please don't build

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<v Speaker 1>a search engine. Our search engine's really bad. Just slim me,

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<v Speaker 1>let me pay you man. Really gross stuff. But given

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of running chat GPT, and the fact a

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<v Speaker 1>large language model query is inherently more sophisticated and computationally

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<v Speaker 1>expensive than a simple search one, you'd expect the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>to be true. Right, the Apple would pay open ai

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<v Speaker 1>something to defray its costs, but no, no money's changed hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And if open ai makes a sale directly on the iPhone,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll undoubted least be subject to the same Apple text

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<v Speaker 1>as every other company. Like I said, this is possibly

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst deals I've seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a terrible deal, of folks. And I'd also speculate

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple likely requires some level of service level agreement

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<v Speaker 1>for its partners, meaning that open ai has to dedicate

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<v Speaker 1>resources to maintain up time for Apple devices using chat

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<v Speaker 1>GPT for free, which will in turn be incredibly expensive

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain, burning money with every query on a product

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple will only offer when Apple services can't do

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<v Speaker 1>the job, and if iOS eighteen doesn't bring the expected

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 1>users to chat GPT, those resources are just gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sit there, unused, redundant, and they could be servicing

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 1>other deeply unprofitable demand. It might be hyperbolic to describe

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<v Speaker 1>this as text equivalent of the Versie tree, but only

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. It's also just unbelievably funny. It's so funny.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You heard the last episodes. You heard people talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Altman, like the art of the deal guy, the

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<v Speaker 1>deal master, the master of contracts, the guy who can

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<v Speaker 1>outthink us all, the mega genius, the mega nerd, the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate deal maker who could split the valley asunder with

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<v Speaker 1>a wave of his hand. Sam Ortman is regularly described

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<v Speaker 1>as this tier one operator, this superior intellect, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>he has signed the worst tech deal I've seen other

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<v Speaker 1>than I think the one signed by Yahoo with being

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<v Speaker 1>from a few episodes back. It might actually be worse though,

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<v Speaker 1>because even then Yahoo got paid by Microsoft. Jesus Christ.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I think this also proves something else open ai. They

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<v Speaker 1>have no leverage, They don't have anything they can play with.

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>They don't have anything they can go to Apple and

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>say you need us, baby, No, they haven't got shit.

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>It's hilarious. Open ai has effectively agreed to give chat

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<v Speaker 1>GPT for free to hundreds of millions of people and

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<v Speaker 1>got absolutely nothing in return. And worse still in this

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<v Speaker 1>marvelous technological cocultry. According to Anissa Gardisi of The Information,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is already working on cutting deals with both Google

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<v Speaker 1>and their Gemini LLM and Anthropics Claude to integrate them

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<v Speaker 1>into iOS, likely using open Aiy's dogshit deal to leverage

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 1>better terms. Allmand may have been at the Worldwide Developers Conference.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there, people taking pictures of him acting like

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<v Speaker 1>it was this big goddamn deal, but he didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to speak, nor was he mentioned during any of Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Cook or Craig Federiggi's remarks, Apple treated chat GPT with

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<v Speaker 1>less excitement than a new suite of emojis, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like an afterthought to a presentation that was deliberate and

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>intentional in its lack of froth or hype. A series

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<v Speaker 1>of fun, potentially exciting features, things you could play with

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>if you want it, all delivered with a continual promise

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 1>of privacy and reliability that tacitly accepted that the AI

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<v Speaker 1>hype train was moving a little too fast. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a humiliating moment for the generative AI movement, especially so

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>for open Ai, a company that desperately needs good news

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>at a time when the world has become deeply suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>of its product and its CEO. Apple is, for better

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<v Speaker 1>or or worse, the gatekeeper to the technology used by

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of people, and Apple has decided that

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT is a feature, not a product, and one

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't trustworthy or useful enough to run without a

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<v Speaker 1>user's permission or even pay for. This was, on some

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<v Speaker 1>level open AI's iPhone moment, though. This was the time

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<v Speaker 1>the world would see exactly how important the most important

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<v Speaker 1>tech company in the world thought the most important startup

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<v Speaker 1>in the world was and the answer was not particularly

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<v Speaker 1>important at all. Apple can and likely will dump chat

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<v Speaker 1>GPT at a moment's notice, replacing it with any number

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<v Speaker 1>of other large language models, or ripping the feature out

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<v Speaker 1>entirely thanks to the fact that it was introduced as

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<v Speaker 1>a feature at the end of another feature, at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of a presentation of better, more useful features. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's insane is all of this is done without you

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<v Speaker 1>creating an account. I know some of you might be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit scared that chat gbt's in your phone.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't. They don't get your queries, they don't save

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<v Speaker 1>anything about what you're doing on their Apple has raked

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<v Speaker 1>them over the coals, and you don't even need an

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<v Speaker 1>account to use it, which means that they're not even

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<v Speaker 1>increasing their users with this. Their queries are going up,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can't even get any vanity metrics out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so unbelievably busted. It is one of the funniest

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<v Speaker 1>and worst deals I've ever seen. I think it also

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<v Speaker 1>shows that Sam Mortman doesn't have the juice. He really

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been able to outside of kind of intimidating people

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<v Speaker 1>vaguely in the valley, really use his power that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft weighed in to get him back at open Ai

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<v Speaker 1>because it was good for Satchy Nadella, who had kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tied his fate to Sam's. And it's funny the

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<v Speaker 1>moment they step into the real world just doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to scale that well. Where are the big deals for

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai? Where are the huge integrations? The Information reported

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<v Speaker 1>last week that open AI's annualized revenue, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is just a fudged figure. It takes the months of

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<v Speaker 1>revenue so far and extrapolates from there. They say they're

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<v Speaker 1>annualized revenue is going to reach the billions in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. Yet they're still so unprofitable. And even if

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<v Speaker 1>Apple had paid the money to integrate Chat GBT, it

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<v Speaker 1>would still lose money on every search. And it's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why no one else is saying this,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe some are Nick Builton and Vanity Fair give

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<v Speaker 1>you cred there, classic dagnam lad. And the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>the few people saying it with me are also smart.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but this is a crazy bad deal.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one the guarantee is that open ai will

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<v Speaker 1>bleed money every single time someone picks up if they

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<v Speaker 1>even use it. If they don't use it, that's still embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still a deeply damaging thing for open Ai. Sam Altman,

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<v Speaker 1>despite being the Valley's golden boy, didn't get to go

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<v Speaker 1>on stage. They didn't even in this presentation mention what

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<v Speaker 1>chat gbt's premium features do, nor did they really make

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<v Speaker 1>much effort to explain why you should give a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to romanticize Apple. There are no great,

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<v Speaker 1>big tech companies all out my Apple devices. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to some of these features. That is faint praise

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>for a tech industry that's lost its way. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will give them credit for tim cook cooking mister Altman,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a great time for people who like

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<v Speaker 1>bad things happening to bad people. I know I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be calling Sam Mormon a bad person. I mean, just

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>read the stuff about him, listen to the episode. But

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<v Speaker 1>look what happens when a little boy from the world

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<v Speaker 1>of startups tries and goes up against the ugly forces

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<v Speaker 1>of capitalism, the real scary monopolies. Apple won't accept another monopoly.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the empire, for better or for worse. It

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<v Speaker 1>is scary how much power Apple has. It is worth

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<v Speaker 1>considering whether you are feeling safe using AI on these devices.

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<v Speaker 1>What they've said suggests that, yeah, I would say you are,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that's something you really should consider. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode links, I will provide all of the

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<v Speaker 1>documentation of everything I'm talking about here, because I want

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you to genuinely know everything you can make an informed decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say I would be unsurprised if every single

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<v Speaker 1>other phone company doesn't do similar stuff. Samsung's already doing

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<v Speaker 1>AI stuff I haven't looked, but I amaguine Google is too.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's going to be doing this. I would trust Apple

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<v Speaker 1>above them, because ah they they apparently have clearly worked

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<v Speaker 1>out that what people actually want is for their phones

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<v Speaker 1>to work, and that they'll keep making money just by

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<v Speaker 1>making people happy. I'm not going to say they're super ethical.

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<v Speaker 1>They're better than most, and they say that with a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of kind of annoyance because they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to blow smoke with them. But back to the

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<v Speaker 1>really fun part. This may be a genuinely dangerous thing

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<v Speaker 1>for open AI, and at the very least, it's deeply

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<v Speaker 1>horribly humiliating. Sam Altman might be able to walk into

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<v Speaker 1>any room in the valley and say insane things like

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<v Speaker 1>I need seven trillion dollars for new energy. I needed

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred billion dollar computer, mister Nadella, But when he

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<v Speaker 1>walks up to Tim Cook, there's nothing to really say. Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll add this at the end so that Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>feels happy, and that's all this is. This is so

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<v Speaker 1>idiots like Jim Kramer on CNBC can say, Wow, Apple's

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<v Speaker 1>god chat GPT in it and great, it doesn't matter,

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's buried, and I guarantee you you're gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to turn it on. Apple aren't the best. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who the best are. I don't know who the

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<v Speaker 1>most ethical are. I don't even know how you evalue

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