1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, and 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: I and Ben and today. Well, that makes this stuff 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. That's that's a given 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: you clicked on the thing. That's what it is. Uh. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about something that is highly controversial, as 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: most of our topics are in the United States especially, 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: but throughout the world. For this topic, it's something that 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: crosses the line between artificial intelligence, war, robotics. So many 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: different things are culminated in this one one topic. Yeah, 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: that's a really good way to put it. I hadn't 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: considered a lot of that. You're absolutely right, Matt, you 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: are spot on, yes, and especially one of the most 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: important things is should we really separate the humanity so 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: much from the act of killing? Separate, separate that close up, uh, 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: scary part about ending another human beings life and turning it, 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: turning it into a simulation. You know what. That's a 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: really good question, and it's something that I've had some 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: long debates about. If you'd like uh, can we talk 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: about that a little bit at the end, because this 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: is something I like to plant the seed for our listeners, 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Today we're talking about drones. Not the 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: not sci fi drones I like cool alien drones. No, 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about dot drones. So what what is a drone? Well, 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: it's any unmanned, remotely controlled machine. You could call anything 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: that does those meets that criteria a drone. Most commonly, 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: it's associated with the flying vehicles that we see in 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: warfare modern war fare nowadays, like Predator UA v s 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and stuff. Oh yeah, but you can also have them 32 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: in the water. You can also have them in space 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: or even underground. Oh yeah, the was the Boeing X 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: thirty five or X thirty six is there's a yeah, 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: there are several. In the X thirty something thirty seven, 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: that's the one we talked about. It was up in space. 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: No one knows what he was doing. Were not allowed 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: to know, No one is allowed to talk. Drones have 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: surprisingly enough, been in use for a long long time. 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: But before we explore the history of that, let's look 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: So let's look at just a couple of the legal issues. 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Now we're using what some people call a very very 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: biased source here, the American Civil Liberties Union. So according 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: to their report, UM, the drone game is blowing up. 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: So this a c l U report says that law 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: enforcement is this is a quote, law enforcement is greatly 47 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: expanding its use of domestic drones for surveillance. This is 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: interesting because in the Unity and in states, UM, although 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: privacy has clearly eroded as the decades have gone on, UH, 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: this expectation of privacy is always a hot button issue 51 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: from your local law enforcement and protest groups all the 52 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: way up to the supremes. And I don't mean Diana 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: Ross's gang. What what they're saying is that what the 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: a c l U was saying is that this sort 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: of widespread surveillance fundamentally changes, uh, the nature of public 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: life in America. UM. The a c l U is 57 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: also worried that police might arm remote controlled aircraft. Numerous states, 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: as at the time we record this in two thousand fourteen, 59 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: numerous states are working toward legislation about drones. And you 60 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: can really tell how those states feel about privacy based 61 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: on the kind of rulings they're making. The f a 62 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: A is a big thing. UM. A big deal the 63 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: Federal Aviation Administration. Who can fly what where? That's basically 64 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: what the f a A is for anyone who is 65 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: not familiar with that, And uh, they want to change 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: airspace rules or Congress wants the f A to change 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: airspace rules to make it easier for police to use 68 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: domestic drones. Uh, but not including privacy protection. So, Matt, 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: as as we know, the a c l U has 70 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: named several privacy safeguards they'd like to see in the 71 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: new laws. Yeah, there are a lot of those, but 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: before we get into them, I just want to say 73 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: how terrifying it is to think about police officers having 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: drones with rubber bullets and tasers attached to them, just 75 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: flying over a scene where maybe a protest is occurring, 76 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: and they're able to just remotely detach the weaponry essentially 77 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: from these things and shoot weaponry from a drone. That 78 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: to me is terrifying, and I'm certainly glad that someone 79 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: is looking into it. So there are certain usage limits, 80 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: So h drone would only be used by law enforcement 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: if there was a warrant, let's say, or an emergency 82 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: or something very specific where you could prove you have 83 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: grounds on which to prove that you needed to use 84 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: this drone. So just no drone joy rides for the 85 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: heck of it. Yeah, you don't. Every police officer doesn't 86 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: have a drone attached to their vehicle that can be 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: deployed at anytime to track their ex girlfriends or something. Yeah, 88 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the same not yet searches. Yeah. Okay. There's also data retention, 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: which is you know, how much information is going to 90 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: be kept by these things that's collected, um, and only 91 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: when there's specific grounds again to collect and keep evidence 92 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: should that be done. And this is all again, guys, 93 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: this is all stuff that the a c l. You 94 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: thinks should be in the laws, which frighteningly enough means 95 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: that it is not in the laws now. So well, 96 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: you gotta keep it as wide as you can if 97 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: you're the creator of these drones and you need them 98 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: to be used, or the you are of these drones. Uh. 99 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: You're also looking at policy usage policy, which would say 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: that the public's representatives should be deciding when these things 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: are used or how they're used, not by police departments themselves. Okay, 102 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: so elected officials should make transparent decisions. Yeah, although although 103 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: that to me is also a terrifying thought. The people 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: subject to I don't know, bribery are the ones now 105 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: making the decisions. No offense representatives, but you know that 106 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: you are subject to bribery, not that you necessarily take it. Potentially, Well, 107 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: they're subject to it, whether or not they go through 108 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: with it attempts. Right. There's also abuse prevention and accountability, 109 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: so this is use of domestic drones would be subject 110 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: to some kind of audit or at least an oversight 111 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: program or committee. So they just can't go willing nearly 112 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: use their drones. And the last one is weapons, and 113 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: they're saying both lethal and non lethal those should both 114 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: not be on the drones. Yeah, and that's an interesting 115 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: point too. I think those are great ideas, great proposals. Um, 116 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: it's an interesting point about non lethal weapons because as 117 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: most people who have some real world experience with non 118 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: lethal weapons, No, they're not always non lethal. Something can 119 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: always go wrong. Yes, the human heart can give away, 120 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: for can give way for a lot of reasons, and 121 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: electricity is usually one of those things, or large amounts 122 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: of current like tasers. Right. Uh. So, there was an 123 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: interesting legal case that we found reported by Vice, which 124 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: said that a federal judge has ruled that the f 125 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: a A has not made any legally binding rules against 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: commercial drones. And this happened when the f A sued 127 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: a guy named Raphael Perker, the first person the agency 128 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: had tried to find for flying a drone commercially. Now, 129 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: some of uh, the listeners out there may be familiar 130 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: with a promotional video that Amazon put out, right, do 131 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: you remember this one that? Yes, the one where Amazon 132 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: just proposed to be using or they decided, hey, it 133 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't be cool if we use drones to send you 134 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: all your stuff, so you know, maybe our drones won't 135 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: throw your packages the way some of our employees you, oh, 136 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: just kidding, sorry, uh, or they might be worse because 137 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: they would rebel at some point. Yeah, so okay, the 138 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: the idea though, the f a A has always said 139 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: that flying a drone for a commercial business is illegal, 140 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: but the judge didn't agree. A guy named Patrick Garritty 141 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: Garrit D judge with the National Transportation Safety Board, said 142 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: there are no laws against it. You know, go wild, 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: you guys. So the f A attempted to define raphaelp 144 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars after you used a drone to film 145 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: a commercial at the University of Virginia, and he fought 146 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: the case, and he said the f A never regulated 147 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: model aircraft, and uh that it's basis for making them 148 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: illegal was a two thousand seven policy notice and it 149 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: wasn't legally binding. So apparently his argument goes, the f 150 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: a A is not yet taken the required public notice 151 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: necessary to make it an official regulation. So at this point, 152 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: what that means, man, is it's the wild West for 153 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: commercial drones. We could do like that Oprah thing with 154 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: a car. You get a drone, You get a drone. 155 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: You get a drone, Matt, I think we should buy 156 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: a drone. Good, you want to We could get some 157 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: cool aerial shots. You want to do some more roof shooting, Yeah, 158 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: like a little drone. Yeah, okay, al right, well I'll 159 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: do that. I'll do a mini drone, a mini drone 160 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: because somehow that will be less bad because it's smaller. Well, 161 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: and then used to get swarms of mini drones that 162 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: all interact with each other. It's so weird when we 163 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: think about this, unarmed, unmanned vehicles. So we've we've given 164 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: the most up to date information about the present of drones. 165 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: One thing that might surprise a lot of people, is 166 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: that the concept of drones. It's not recent. It's actually 167 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: very old, this whole unmanned attacking observation thing. Right. Oh yeah, 168 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: way back in eighteen forty nine, Austria attacked Venice with balloons. 169 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: There are balloons loaded with explosives. They're not necessarily drones, 170 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: but they're unmanned vehicles in the air or unmanned air contraptions, right. Yeah. 171 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: And then like just a few decades later, uh, the U. S. 172 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Civil War had sorry, not the whole Civil War. During 173 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: the U. S. Civil War forces in in the States, 174 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: we're working on balloons in eighteen sixty two, they were 175 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: trying to use them for reconnaissance and bombing operations. And 176 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: that's a that's a very interesting story, Matt. Honestly, I'm 177 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: surprised there has not been a film made about the 178 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: Civil Wars balloon brigades. That's war films about everything else. 179 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know they I guess you could make 180 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: it a catchy topic or a catchy title for that. 181 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it would be. A band of balloons, 182 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm done. I thought of that earlier, Okay, but those 183 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: are just you know, those are just balloons, and granted 184 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: you can't really pilot a balloon very well. But there, uh, 185 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: there were aircraft that were older too, right, Yeah, there 186 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: were some of the first radio controlled planes were brought 187 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: about right after World War One, and that was a M. 188 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: Lows radio control techniques that were used for those, and 189 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: it's really cool. Actually it was supposed to be used 190 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: to fight against some of the Zeppelins um of World 191 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: War One. Right after that, they're like, oh, man, let's 192 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: find a way to take down these Zeppelins. Let's make 193 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: some radio control aircraft they can fly into them and 194 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: explode those suckers. And they never Actually, probably a lot 195 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: of that is because of the Hindenburg explosion and the 196 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: way technology turned away from Zeppelin's. Okay, that makes sense, 197 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: and figured out how easy it is to make one explode. Yeah, 198 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: it's a shame because wouldn't be fantastic to live in 199 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: a world that had Zeppelins. Why why some I have 200 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: to screw that up for everyone else? They're pretty energy efficient. Man, Yeah, 201 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: you gotta play BioShock Infinite, Man, I should I should 202 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: play BioShock Infinite or just rewatch Fringe the uh so 203 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: later we know that ultimately these flying bomb concepts or 204 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: these aerial torpedoes became the ancestors of cruise missiles, right, 205 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: And they learned to remotely or they learned to control 206 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: these using as you said, radio signals. Uh. The famous 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: automatic airplane was first foamed for representatives of the U. 208 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: S Army in nineteen seventeen. Uh. But if we fast forward, 209 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: we find some of the first uses of remote surveillance 210 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: by the US. All day was attached a camera to 211 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: a kite. Yeah. I guess it's a little dramatic. Well, yeah, 212 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: but that's honestly, that's how you I guess begin m. Well, 213 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: we've got this kite. Hey, we've got a lightweight camera. 214 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: Let's do it. And then in uh In and in 215 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Vietnam between sixty five and seventy three, uh, the US 216 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: Army had been able to test some of these some 217 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: of these surveillance concepts, right. Because you know, it's really 218 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: there was a really dodgy position here where there were 219 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: areas of Southeast Asia where the US was not officially involved. However, 220 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: as it came to light earlier in some other episodes 221 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: we've done, this official involvement was not necessarily involvement in practice, right, 222 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: So we know that these monitoring aspects, right. This this 223 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: application of what they called an electronic battlefield to map 224 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: the entire theater with sensors, uh, probably changed the way 225 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: that we think about designating or guiding bombers today. So 226 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: a really interesting thing happened here is that after they 227 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: while they were doing these experiments, the Air Force started 228 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: populating the region, right, but not with regular planes. Yeah, 229 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: they were populating the skies with these remotely piloted vehicles 230 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: or RPVs. And it's kind of neat they've had this evolution. Okay, 231 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: So there there are these three overlapping phases that drones 232 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: have gone through. The first drone is the drone as 233 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: a target, which is kind of interesting. That's from nineteen ten, 234 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen tens, let's say, until the nineteen fifties. Then 235 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: you've got the drone as a sensor, something that can 236 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: be in the air, that can detect something and send 237 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: it send that signal back to somebody else. That's around 238 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties to the nineteen nineties. Then you've got 239 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: the drone as the weapon, and that's the most recent 240 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: from the two thousands, the new modern warfare drones up 241 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: until today, and so it's gone over this large evolution, 242 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: and now my question has been, Yeah, what's the next evolution? Ah, 243 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: what's the future of drones? Like a self a completely 244 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: self running drone, A drone that can on its own 245 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: just monitor the skies. It can be the sensor and 246 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: the weapon and the controller. A solar powered drone maybe 247 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: uh high altitude that's able to somehow derive enough energy 248 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: from solar panels to uh continually adjust it's its flight 249 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: or its orbit depending on where it is relative to 250 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: the bug limit, and then also be able to continue 251 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: with its seem speed maybe adjust its flight. Right now, 252 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: so far as we know, there are no solar panels 253 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: that are efficient enough to give that sort of flight 254 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: in a reasonable way. The kind of solar panels we 255 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: have to build now are would take up so much 256 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: surface area that it's tough to imagine the thing actually 257 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: working in any realistic capacity. It would be one of 258 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: those like Rich Countries toys that we built just this 259 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: show that we could do it. Unless unless you could 260 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: use some other form of energy to get it. Maybe 261 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: let's say it's an space orbiting Yeah, can't use enough 262 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: energy with secondary propulsion system getting to get it up there. 263 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: Then just use a solar to run all of its systems. 264 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: Yeah or yeah, and maybe just powers enough power so 265 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: they can prevent orbit decay. A bad idea X thirty seven. 266 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: You guys, that stuff is crazy. Please check it out 267 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it before. I I routinely search 268 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: news for that and uh and trade journals just to 269 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: see if we ever figure out what it was doing. 270 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Whether there are some great guesses but nothing confirmed. Now, Matt, 271 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: the idea of drones, especially with the threat of impinging 272 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: on privacy, has always been kind of a passionate issue 273 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: for you. So I want to ask you some questions 274 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: too before we move into I want to end it 275 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: on a little bit of maybe good news, um. But 276 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: before we do that, let's get through the really messy stuff. UM. 277 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about drones and war, and you asked 278 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: about the are you mentioned rather the distancing effect of 279 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: of taking people's lives. I do know that there's been 280 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: some research on PTSD in drone operators drone pilots, and 281 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: they do suffer PTSD. UM. They are aware that these 282 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: are human lives, that it's not just a video game. However, um, 283 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: one of the things that I think a lot of 284 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: us as civilians uh don't know about with the with 285 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: piloting a drone is that the lag time is crazy. 286 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: It's if it's a video game, it's a horrible video game. Also, 287 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: you know you're potentially killing innocent people, right, So I 288 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: agree with you that the distancing is very dangerous because 289 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: although people do experience PTSD, the I don't know if 290 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: experiencing it that remotely is um is as uh as 291 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: much of a what's a good word deterrent maybe to 292 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: killing in the future. I don't know, man, I have 293 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: no answers, but it just seems like an issue that 294 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: we should at least talk about. So what what draws 295 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: you to? What? What makes this idea is so um 296 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: so close to you? You're very passionate about this. Well, 297 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: I've been playing video games on my whole life, and 298 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: in most of those video games you are killing something 299 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: or eliminating something. In many of the ones that I've 300 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: played for let's say my college years and video gaming, 301 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: were killing human beings. And there is there's an extreme 302 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: detachment because you know, obviously it's not real. You know 303 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: that it's not real. Then I can just imagine children 304 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: who have grown up with the technology with that playing 305 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: Call of Duty when you were seven or eight years old, 306 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: even though you're not supposed to having that simulation, and 307 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: and transferring it to now you're eighteen nineteen, fresh out 308 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: of high school, going into the military, and now you're 309 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: playing a flight simulator game where you're killing people. Um, 310 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: I just wonder how that's going to affect this, like 311 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: the psyche of the effect psychologically these younger people. Do 312 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: you think that people growing up around video games have 313 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: a lack of empathy unless Yeah, I can't speak to that. 314 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I believe that I have lots 315 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: of empathy, and I don't do much else besides play 316 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: video games. So I don't know. All right, I'm not 317 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna blow up your spot, but you are. You are 318 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: full of fascinating hobbies, and I don't know, I think 319 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: you're beating yourself up. Well, most of them include an 320 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Xbox controller. But no, I hear it, I hear you. 321 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: What what about drones and privacy? Oh, that's that's a 322 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: whole another can of worms there. Yeah, drones and privacy, man, 323 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: Come on that, Uh, there's an expectation privacy that is 324 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: always debated, right and then and past court rulings, at 325 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: least in the United States have said that you cannot 326 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: have an expectation of privacy in certain areas like you're 327 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: on the street. You're walking on a public street. You know, 328 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No matter how much of a diva or 329 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: celebrity you may be, you cannot tell people not to 330 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: take your picture or look at you, because, um, until 331 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: somebody totally iron Rand's the entire country. Anyone can walk 332 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: on the sidewalk if I mean, if you have to 333 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: be completely anonymous that they make those tinted windows for 334 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: you and enjoy it while you're in the car, then sorry, right, 335 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: And then there's Uh. It's interesting because when we talk 336 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: about the idea of privacy, what I think is regardless 337 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: of um, someone's political leanings, right or personal ideologies. The 338 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, I made I made a bad iron Rand 339 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: joke just a second ago. But if we look at 340 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: it on the other side, then the idea of a 341 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: collectivist socialist society, right, which would be the opposite of objectivism, uh, 342 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: would still have these huge threats to privacy. You know, 343 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: we have read a lot of you guys listening out there. 344 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: I've read it too, and one of the big things 345 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: is that Winston has uh no privacy. He has um 346 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: I guess uh spoiler alert, but a minor spoiler. He 347 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: thinks he has privacy, but he doesn't really right. And 348 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: and this this idea for anyone who is for anyone 349 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: who is wants to or inclined to say, oh, your 350 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: political beliefs differ from mine, or on this issue we disagree. 351 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: I don't think that we should let people be as 352 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: easily divided because there's one thing that I have noticed 353 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: about the the fight for personal privacy, at least in 354 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: the United States, and that's the it's getting people from 355 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: all bents of polit politics, religion, uh, any other ideology. 356 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. Pepsi drinkers, coat drinkers coming together. Privacy. 357 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: It's one of those things that it's going it will be. 358 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: We're going to fight for it as long as we 359 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: can until it's just completely gone. And at some point 360 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: it's just going to be gone. Yeah, I also believe 361 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: the erosion privacy is inevitable. When that's you know, we've 362 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: talked about this before. It's it's if you think about it, 363 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: the the existence of privacy has been sort of short 364 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: lived for a long time too. But now that we've 365 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: talked about some of the darker issues there, we'd also 366 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: like to hear from you guys um when you think 367 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: the future of drones is. But before we go out, 368 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to end it on a little bit of 369 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: an up note and talk about some non military uses 370 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: of drones, because it's not all, you know, accidentally killing civilians. 371 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: It's not all targeting people with no due process or 372 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: UH police surveillance state stuff. There's also the possibility that 373 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: UH agriculture could benefit from drones. For instance, the you know, 374 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the idea that it could help farmers do better land management, 375 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: increase overall yields, um most large farms in the United 376 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: States and rural areas. So as long as the drones 377 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: are less than foreigner feet high, they're legal for the 378 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: f a A. So yeah, police officers will be using those. 379 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: So put your paranoia hats on and enjoy the idea 380 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: of police officers flying drones over your house at all 381 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: times of night. Yes, they're probably there right now, can 382 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: you hear them? Right? And if you saw our earlier 383 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: episodes on militarization, of police. Then you know that maybe 384 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: that's not the best example of non military use. I'm sorry, Matt, Well, 385 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: it's okay. Here's here's the counterpoint. There are surveillance cameras 386 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: all over the place where you live. I don't care 387 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: where you live. There are probably surveillance cameras, even if 388 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: they're just in the small stores. Yeah, even if it's 389 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: just those, they are. They're all over the place. But 390 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, there on the streets, they're on traffic, Yeah, 391 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: they're everywhere. There in our building, there are a couple 392 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: that can probably see us right now from outside the studio. 393 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things again that we're going 394 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: to have to live with for the rest of our lives. 395 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: And now there are these things that will just be 396 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: flying over us. And you know, they might be the 397 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: security from your mall, some drones hanging around the mall. 398 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: That might be police officers looking for drugs. Who knows. 399 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought up drugs, my friend, because 400 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: another thing that drones can do is be operated by villains. 401 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: Criminal is by nair do wells and wrap scallions according 402 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: to call of duty. Was it black too? I think? 403 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: And the entire idea. Sorry for all the video game talking, 404 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: and it just reminds you video against so much, the 405 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: idea that hackers would take over the military drones and 406 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: start a war. Okay, I can see that. So because 407 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: drones are hard for people to spot, especially given the size. 408 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: So what if you start go taking your drone over 409 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: the border to drop off drugs or something like that? 410 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: They there To my knowledge at this point, there's not 411 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: an unmanned vehicle that somebody could buy and then used 412 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: to fly over people as in human trafficking with humans 413 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: as cargo. But a couple of keys wouldn't be unmanned, then, 414 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: would it. No, it wouldn't. It would be unsteered p 415 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: i P. Piloted in person. There you go. I don't 416 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: know what the well, you know, they make these the 417 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: massive I think they're one fourth scale airplanes, the remote 418 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: control airplanes. I wonder if that's being used right now 419 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: as drug trafficking, because that's essentially a drone slightly different, 420 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: but it's it's happened before. That's that I think probably 421 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: in some border areas it's probably really good work around, 422 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: But there's there's got to be a sweet spot because 423 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: the US Mexico border is monitored pretty closely, so I 424 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: think they have an eye on the airspace. I don't 425 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: know how you would get around that. But in other 426 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: borders that are a bit more porous, like the um 427 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: like the opium trade in Central Asia, right, Uh, those 428 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: borders are so porous that it might not be necessary 429 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: to fly a drone. You might just need to know 430 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: the right guy and just want Isn't that how it 431 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: always is? And Uh, the idea of how hard certain 432 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: agencies or countries are working to actually stop the drug 433 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: trade is another episode that we could do. Um. But yeah, 434 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: so so this could be this could be something for criminals. UM. 435 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: One one potential thing here for national security walks may 436 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: recognize that in two thousand eleven, a terrorist named Rezwan 437 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: Firdaus Uh excuse me, f E r d a u 438 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: s Uh plotted to bomb US targets by putting explosives 439 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: on a drone UM emphasis there on planned. Uh. And 440 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: then there's another example right in Brazil. Yeah, in a 441 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: Brazilian prison in two thousand twelve caught a drone helicopter 442 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: that had cell phones just it was full of cell 443 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: phones that were meant for inmates. In the prison and 444 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: they stopped it by I think one of the one 445 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: of the police grabbed onto the helicopter legs and I 446 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: pulled it down to the ground triumphantly. Um. And then 447 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the the officers they're just jumped on 448 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: and beat it up pretty hard. I'm pretty sure that's alright. Well, 449 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: take our word for it. I haven't seen the made 450 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: for TV movie yet, but I'll take your word for 451 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: it for now. Uh. There's also the idea of weather investigation, 452 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: and this is pretty cool, uh that you could you know, 453 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: there's there's always a huge difficulty for people who want 454 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: to investigate natural disasters and catastrophic weather phenomenon meteorological phenomenon, 455 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: and that is of course that you could die driving 456 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: into a tornado, that you could die standing at the 457 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: edge of the ocean with some sensors waiting for the tsunami. Yea. 458 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Even the tank I forget the name of the show, 459 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: but the guy who has the tank that drops to 460 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: the ground, it's still extremely dangerous. So these drones offer 461 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: away potentially to investigate tropical storms, and NASA began experimenting 462 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: with this in two thousand thirteen. Officially, Uh, this is 463 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: a little bit different from a tempts to see if 464 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: cloud seating could alter hurricanes, which was, as far as 465 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: we know, unsuccessful. But they used uh these big, big 466 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: drones called Global Hawk drones. Uh. Naval wingspan is wide 467 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: is a seven thirty seven. Uh, they're huge. They're extremely 468 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: cool too. I highly recommend you do a YouTube search 469 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: for those Global Hawk So they fly them through hurricanes 470 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: with a bunch of sensors on and I hope they 471 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah. Uh, that's something. The only thing they 472 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: track though, right, Yes, you can also track wildlife. Uh. 473 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: There are uvs that are set up with cameras and 474 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: GPS and they're able to track wildlife. So let's say 475 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: you've got maybe a group of giraffe or elephants or 476 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: something you want to track and see how if there 477 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: are any poachers that are endangering them or something, or 478 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: maybe you just want to look at their eating habits. 479 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Just get these drones follow these things and uh, man, 480 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: you're set up. It's pretty great because you don't have 481 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: to be on the ground looking for them at all times. Um. 482 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: And they can wear tracking colors to make it easier, 483 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: but they don't have to with this technology, which is 484 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I think that's just a fantastic point because 485 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: the well, one of the things that often haunts me 486 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: about the age in which we live is that it 487 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: is possible that one day, you know, Matt, you could 488 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: have grandchildren and they won't believe you when you tell 489 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: them that animals used to just run a while, run 490 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: around in the wild. You know, that's to me, that's frightening. Uh. 491 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: The so the anything that could save that, it would 492 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: would be amazing. I mean, not to not to be 493 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: preachy again, it's just, uh, it's fascinating when you read 494 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: the theories from various various researchers, paleontologists and so on 495 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: who say that we are in the middle of a 496 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: mass extinction. It's interesting wonder which animals are gonna make 497 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: it out and humans are could be on the topic 498 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: blot too, h Yeah, masters of disasters, other huge storms 499 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: they could look at right of course we're talking um, 500 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: we we're talking sand storms, We're talking so nami's, we're 501 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: talking uh tornadoes. Oh I just learned this yesterday. This 502 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: is a weird wind man. There's a word that it's 503 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: it's a weird word. H a b oo b huboob 504 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: I think it's pronounced Arabic word that describes these gigantic 505 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: sandstorms that can happen in desert areas. I was watching 506 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: this video of this guy driving into one and it 507 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: starts he's driving as daytime. As he's driving, you see 508 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: people driving away from this massive storm, the headlights out, 509 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: and then when he gets in there, it's pitch black 510 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: because there's just so much crazy stuff happening. Good to 511 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: have a drone there. Um other things we mentioned forest 512 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: rangers tracking fires. Wildfires huge problem in California, right, Yeah, 513 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: well a huge problem all over the place, and it's 514 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: a huge It would be a great advantage to have 515 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: a drone. They wouldn't have to worry about a lot 516 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: of smoking inhalation or any of the other things. Yeah, 517 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: it's huge. Oh and another point, you know their convicts 518 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: who were on the fire, the wildfire teams out west. 519 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: Really Yeah? Interesting? Yep? Is that that seems rather mad? 520 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: MAXI in to me. They're volunteers. I don't know what 521 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: the circumstances of volunteer service are. Maybe they get time off, 522 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: but how much of that you know? Uh, that's a 523 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: cool that's an interesting idea. We'll have to dig in. 524 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Another thing we said, uh, this is another future thing 525 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: that we mentioned earlier was that this makes some fantastic 526 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: filming way more affordable. Oh yeah, Chandler, one of the 527 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: guys that works here, a how stuff works, made a 528 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: music video that featured a drone and it was a 529 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: cool experience, excellent footage. It looks like you spent several 530 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: million dollars, but it was just the day with a 531 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: guy who can run a drone and maybe you're done. Wow, 532 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: all right, let's get four hundred dollars. Well, yeah, we 533 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: can get one here. They're not that expensive. I bet 534 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: an ol. Can you can pilot a drone? Can't you? 535 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can totally pilot drones. That's right. Our 536 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: super producer, Noel is always no we uh we try 537 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: to give you a shout out every show, and we 538 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: didn't mention it in the beginning. All right, okay, all right, 539 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: well thank you. Know you're too you're far too kind. 540 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: Another thing is the oil and gas monitoring. So offshore 541 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: oil rigs are incredibly risky and cartoonishly expensive endeavors. First, 542 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: you have to explore to find the oil, and increasingly 543 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: you have to do some wild science, some mad science 544 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: to get the oil out of the ground in a 545 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 1: way that is safe and use a deep drilling. When 546 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: one of these goes up, or when something goes wrong 547 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: with these anywhere in the pipeline, it's very bad business, 548 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: very very bad business. And so having the drone to 549 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: monitor that, which you know, I'm surprised that hasn't happened 550 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: yet because so many not just on oil platforms, but 551 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: so many pipelines run through politically dangerous areas, right, yeah, 552 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: it's huge advantage. You've probably seen some videos or at 553 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: least clips of drones, underwater drones that are used by 554 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: the oil industry to check out their rigging, check out 555 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: the pipelines, and sometimes even catching glimpses of scary looking creatures. 556 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those which ones? It's just it's 557 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: they're unmanned submarines that are used to patrol the areas. 558 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: And there are a couple awesome clips that you know, 559 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: I go on lively all the time right right, as 560 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: you should too if you're eighteen or older. They're not 561 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: paying us to say that, but yeah, there's some really 562 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: interesting cliffs there of just underwater sea creatures that are 563 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: usually later identified, but sometimes they're horrifyingly ambiguous. Nice. Uh yeah, 564 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: and that's that goes to one of our last points, 565 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: which was one of our first points, was that drones 566 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: are not just restricted to the air around us in 567 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: the immediate environment. They can go into space. Uh, they 568 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: can be remotely operated underwater. There'll be digger drones. There 569 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: was this movie, and I'd love for one of our 570 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: listeners to to help me figure out which one this 571 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: was where. I think it was called Screamers, but I'm 572 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: not sure it was about. It was a sci fi 573 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: for little robots that were in the ground. Yeah, do 574 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: you remember that one? Uh? The that film kind of 575 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: made me think of underground drones was. I don't know 576 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: if it'll bear rewatch. Somebody warned me, because it's kind 577 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: of sad when you see a movie that hasn't aged well, 578 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't remember if I 579 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: liked it because of the coolness of the technology or 580 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: because actually like the story. But I remember liking it, 581 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: so I might have to at least watch the first 582 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Yeah, or sometimes you can just watch the 583 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: trailer on YouTube and that I'll tell you if you're 584 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: in all right doing it? Uh, so while we head 585 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: off to do that, Thank you guys so much for 586 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: checking out our episodes on drones. We have some new 587 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: videos coming up as well. Uh. We don't want to 588 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: ruin this surprise too much, but we've been doing a 589 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: lot of government stuff lately, and our show covers everything 590 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: that someone may or may not want you to know. 591 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: So we're gonna be throwing some curve balls in the 592 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: next few weeks. 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