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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Nori here our birthday bast program.

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Speaker 2: James Paris up next. Author of more than thirty books

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Speaker 2: and the editor in chief of Christianmoney dot com. He

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Speaker 2: regularly appears as a financial commentator on hundreds of radio

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Speaker 2: and television shows nationwide. By the age of thirty, was

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Speaker 2: a multimillionaire. By forty, he went bankrupt after becoming the

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Speaker 2: victim of an amvestment scheme perpetrated by his accountant. Then

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Speaker 2: still is his brother. Hey James, welcome back my friend.

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Speaker 3: Hey George, happy birthday pal. Great to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you have you been.

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Speaker 3: I'm great. I'm still playing with the big band, the

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Speaker 3: eighteen piece big band, which I know you love that music.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I'm playing with a small jazz combo. I

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Speaker 3: am back into the real estate business now for about

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Speaker 3: a year and still you know, writing and doing a

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Speaker 3: lot of writing for medium dot com. And I'm working

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Speaker 3: on another book right now.

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Speaker 2: Also super And you've rebounded from the tragedy that occurred

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Speaker 2: to some time ago for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everything has turned around. And you know the

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Speaker 3: last time I was on I talked about the death

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Speaker 3: of my brother, Yeah, and how I forgave him, and

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Speaker 3: not just forgave him, but we reconnected because he only

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Speaker 3: had a few months to live, and you know, he

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Speaker 3: did pass away last year. But I feel so good

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Speaker 3: that we reconnected, and I feel that it was really

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do, not just you know, because

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Speaker 3: of my spiritual beliefs, but I also feel that it

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Speaker 3: was the right thing to do in terms of not

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Speaker 3: having any regrets, you know, because you can't go back

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Speaker 3: when someone has already passed on. You can't go back

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Speaker 3: and do that again. You don't have that chance again.

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Speaker 3: So I feel great that we reconnected and we're able

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Speaker 3: to let that all be. You know, Water under the

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Speaker 3: Bridge Was.

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Speaker 2: It an emotional reunion for you.

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Speaker 3: James, Oh, it was. We were both my brother and

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Speaker 3: I were both crying. It was. It was a really

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Speaker 3: unusual moment. I mean, it didn't take away what he

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Speaker 3: did to me and my family, but there was a

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Speaker 3: healing there that's hard to explain. And forgiveness is very tough,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I've heard stories of people that are

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Speaker 3: forgiven the murderers of family members, I mean things like that,

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Speaker 3: and they talk about the freedom and the release that

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Speaker 3: it gives you spiritually, and that absolutely happened with me

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Speaker 2: What was the big moment where you realized what the heck.

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 3: Right? So what happened was every year my companies, I

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Speaker 3: had a broker dealer and also an investment advisor. We

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Speaker 3: were licensed across the country. We had multiple offices. So George,

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Speaker 3: one morning I get this very odd phone call from

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Speaker 3: my outside accounting firm. So every year we had to

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Speaker 3: have a very detailed, very expensive audit done that we

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Speaker 2: By the Big eight firms.

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Speaker 3: At the time, it wasn't a Big eight firm, but

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Speaker 3: I got this phone call and the accountant said to me,

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Speaker 3: the outside accountant, he said, look, there's one hundred and

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Speaker 3: And I said to him, what do you mean missing?

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Speaker 3: Like it's a mistake, there's you know, maybe some accounting

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Speaker 2: That I didn't make as much as I thought, or

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Speaker 3: That, right right, you know, with tax deductions and this

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Speaker 3: it is absolutely missing. And I said, well, the only

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Speaker 3: Because back then, in order to get your accounting records,

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Speaker 3: my brother, as part of his scheme, had destroyed all

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Speaker 3: We we lost the companies because basically we were required

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Speaker 3: And when I tell people I lost everything, they think, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a retirement account. No. No, I literally lost everything. My

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Speaker 3: It was it was just surreal.

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Speaker 2: Horrible, horrible, horrible horrible, and is it safe to assume

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Speaker 3: Well, he did have a cover story, so anytime there

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Speaker 3: He had similar stories of land that he owned that

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Speaker 2: And they were believable stories.

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Speaker 3: Right, they were. Yeah, absolutely, And he was Honestly, he

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Speaker 3: five year period he was embezzling, and we don't know

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Speaker 2: You were on with me in September of last year,

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Speaker 2: and when you're on, I got to believe you get

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Speaker 2: a lot of emails and things from our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Don't you.

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Speaker 3: I do. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I literally the next week I spend answering those emails

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Speaker 3: and I'm still not caught up, you know, after a

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Speaker 2: What do they want from you? What did they ask?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: It's it's interesting because there's a lot of different situations

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Speaker 3: as you have hope and faith, if you think that, hey,

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Speaker 3: As long as you have that hope, you can get

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Speaker 3: and I feel so humbled that they're reaching out to

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Speaker 3: to prayer. And what I learned in my book, which

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Speaker 3: It's God that has the answers. And I just have

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Speaker 3: if people would simply take the time to pray and listen,

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Speaker 3: that God will give them a plan that will give

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Speaker 2: Tell me your thoughts about prayer, James, What do you

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Speaker 3: Right? So I learned a very valuable lesson. I grew

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Speaker 3: And one of those times, I was sitting on a

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Speaker 3: That's the bench I was sitting on. I always see it.

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Speaker 3: That's the bench where I was sitting. And God said,

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Speaker 3: on my first appearance. I don't know how many years

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Speaker 3: just something that God put on my heart. And I

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Speaker 2: And now you're celebrating my birthday with us.

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about prayer, some people want to question,

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Speaker 2: so you're praying for money, what are you praying for?

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Speaker 3: Right? So in my book, I talk about this idea

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Speaker 3: It's not just a solution on Friday for the money

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Speaker 2: In your book How to Pray for a Financial Miracle,

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Speaker 2: you discuss the power of group prayer. Tell me your

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Speaker 3: Right. So in the Bible, in the Book of Matthew,

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Speaker 3: that's something I want to ask God, you know why

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Speaker 3: You could just say it's private and it's personal, but

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Speaker 3: I need your prayer right now. I just believe, just

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Speaker 2: Interesting take on that, then the one is worth more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting concept to think about. But I

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Speaker 3: And you'll see it happen. You'll be walking down the

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Speaker 3: I think that's greater to the person that's giving the

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and I've got to tell you, James,

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Speaker 2: I cannot walk past a homeless person without helping them.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a lot, but I just

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Speaker 2: can't walk past them. Many times I've said, let me

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Speaker 2: and they're still there waiting and I deliver. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not lying to them, and they're very happy and grateful.

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Speaker 2: don't do it for karma purposes. What goes around comes around,

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Speaker 2: the show. But for some reason, the more I help people,

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Speaker 2: but it's magical. I mean, there was one silly time

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Speaker 2: I gave a homeless guy twenty dollars, okay, twenty dollars.

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Speaker 2: How does that happen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's amazing, and I have to tell you

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Speaker 3: say karma. Some people would say it's the universe. I

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Speaker 3: That you know that we give to others and we

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Speaker 3: that you didn't get that thousand dollars check.

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Speaker 2: Just I didn't expect that. I didn't give the twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's absolutely incredible.

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