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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. The moment October starts, all I want to

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Speaker 1: be a good select this weekend to release our episode

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Speaker 1: on horror movies. If you watch much horror, doesn't take

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Speaker 1: long to catch up to the fact that there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of creddy horror movies out there. But there's

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Speaker 1: also a bunch of really great ones too, and we

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Speaker 1: directs you to some movies that scare your socks off

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Speaker 1: this October. Enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Bryant Towdy, middle names Wayne,

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Speaker 1: middle names Malcolm. There we have. I always forget about

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Speaker 1: that Malcolm. Yeah, Wayne named after Wayne Coin, right, Uh? No,

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Speaker 1: John Vane and you were named after Malcolm in the middle.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right. Frankie Munis is my name saying? I

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Speaker 1: hope he's okay. Early, Brian Kranston too. I used to

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Speaker 1: love that show. Oh, it's a great show. I watched it,

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Speaker 1: um like within the last couple of months. I was

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Speaker 1: cleaning the house and put it on Netflix and still great. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really is a good show. So you clean your house,

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Speaker 1: you put on your VR goggles and just cue up

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Speaker 1: Malcolm in the Middle. Yeah. No, I just walk around

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Speaker 1: and bump into things and right exactly. But I put

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Speaker 1: on like a huge feather duster suit. Yeah, so you're

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Speaker 1: I do it. Yeah, it works kind of Well, someone's

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Speaker 1: but they should just they should sell that suit with

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Speaker 1: floor really really clean. Uh, what are you gonna title

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Speaker 1: and we title our own shows some horror films that

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Speaker 1: change the genre, all right, and you should add this

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Speaker 1: a k A. How could you guys forget blank? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should say like this. First of all, this is

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Speaker 1: a Grabster article, So it's Grabster's list, and he knows

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Speaker 1: what he's talking about. If you look at some of

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Speaker 1: So this is how about this. This is Josh and

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Speaker 1: Chuck's idea of some horror films that change the genre,

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Speaker 1: featuring the mind of the grabster. Yes, in other words,

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Speaker 1: it is not a complete list of every horror film

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Speaker 1: that changed the genre. Yes, because I would argue that well,

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Speaker 1: though I didn't really think it was that great, the

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Speaker 1: For a sub genre. Well, it's pretty accurate, actually it is.

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Speaker 1: nothing encapsulates these ideas more than the cabinet of Dr Calla.

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Speaker 1: to that because it was pretty insightful. But um, the

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00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: Exorcists really kind of changed the game, UM and that

425
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: it was a It spawned a bit of a sub

426
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: genre of um demonic movies. Sure, I were like religious based. Yeah,

427
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: even though I guess Rosemary's Baby was before that, but

428
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: The Exorcist was such a mega hit and it was

429
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Picture, the first horror movie to be

430
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: nominated UM for for that, and so it was just

431
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: like it was a big deal. It was. It sold

432
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: six million tickets in about two months. Yeah, it's amazing.

433
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: This is a horror movie, right, and it came out

434
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: in nowhere. Um. Apparently the effect I had on audiences

435
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: was extremely pronounced. There was a woman in Boston who

436
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: had to be carried from the theater and she goes

437
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: it cost me four dollars, but I only lasted twenty minutes.

438
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: So we're like that's the stories of that got around

439
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: and and people wanted to see, you know, this movie

440
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: can't be that scary, and they went and they were like,

441
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, that movie is that scary. Yeah, and

442
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: it holds up too. I mean, um, special effects are

443
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: they'd never quite hold up. But it's still a very

444
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: creepy movie. Um. Very famously, Linda Blair played the little

445
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: girl who was possessed by a demon, and uh, the

446
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: the heavy hitters were called in to exercises demon, including

447
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: um A Max van Style who was only forty four

448
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: when he played this guy in his easily in his seventies. Yeah,

449
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: is he Benjamin Button? Well know they made him up. Wow,

450
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: they did a great job. Yeah, which I don't see

451
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: why they felt the need to do that. I know

452
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: they God, who else did they almost cast? Oh? Brando?

453
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: They almost cast Brando? But that would have been a

454
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: colossal mistake. Well, Friedkin said, you know, as soon as

455
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: you do that, it's a Marlon Brando movie. Yeah. And

456
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: I think he said picture a Brando picture. Sure, that's

457
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: what they said. Uh. And he'd wanted to be a

458
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: Brando picture. He wanted to be the Exorcist. Um, so

459
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: that you said. It was based on a book from

460
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: two years before by William Peter Bladdie. He he he apparently

461
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: was known as a comedy writer and he wanted to

462
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: do something different. He said, Hey, wouldn't it be funny

463
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: if the little girl's head spun around and she keeped

464
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: green bile? Wait, what do you hear? What I ever

465
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: do with the crucifix? Hey? So? Um? He actually wrote

466
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: the book because he wanted to scare America back to church.

467
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: That was his aim with the book. He believed that

468
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: there was real evil going on the world that part

469
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: of it was because of a a loss of faith

470
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: or a loss of religion, I guess, and that's what

471
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: he wanted to do with it. UM. And when the

472
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: movie came out, there was a huge pushback from religious

473
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: authorities like Billy Graham said he believed the movie itself

474
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: was possessed by a demon. I'm not sure how that

475
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: would happen, but that was like a huge thing at

476
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: the time. UM and a lot of a lot of

477
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: other UM religious establishment types were like, don't go see

478
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: that movie. It's evil. But there were some who who

479
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: were part of part of religion, major organized religion, who

480
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of saw through it and said, no, no, this

481
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: is it's good that we're talking about this, that there

482
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: we're telling people, you know, or people are seeing that

483
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: there there's such a thing as like good versus evil

484
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: literally combating on earth, you know, and people are talking

485
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: about this and thinking about it. And so in that sense,

486
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: the Exorcist like really kind of went to bat for

487
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: organized religion. Interesting. I saw another um criticism of it though,

488
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: that that said, one of the themes of the movie

489
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: that the book hadn't really intended but the movie picked

490
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: up on and expounded on, was intergenerational conflict, that that

491
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: it was Reagan the child represented the younger generation who

492
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: was at war with the establishment, and that it even

493
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: goes um so far as to where her mother, the

494
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: actress the movie that she's working on is about campus

495
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: takeover by young radicals, so that that's kind of a

496
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: theme that was apparently part of the subtext, but was

497
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: a major part of it in the movie at least interesting. Yeah,

498
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I thought so too, because apparently, I mean, you think

499
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: of intergenerational conflict now, apparently in the late sixties and

500
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: early seventies it was sharper than it probably ever has

501
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: been before or since. Yeah, m hm. The only other

502
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: thing I got is that the the green stuff that

503
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: she projectiles was Anderson's P soup and a little bit

504
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: of oatmeal texture Anderson's PC. Well, but you can't give

505
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: that anymore, Chuck. Let's do Jaws and then we'll take

506
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: a break. I love talking about Jaws. Yeah, I mean,

507
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Jaws is on you know, I did my top favorite

508
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: movies list at one point on our website, and I

509
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: listed Jaws is my favorite movie favorite of all time. Yeah,

510
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean that list changes, but it's Jaws is always

511
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: in my top five. I can watch it anytime it's on. Uh.

512
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It is one of the I've all. I've often said

513
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: it's a perfect movie. Um. And what I mean by

514
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: that is there's just not a misstep. Like the casting

515
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: was perfect, the acting was great, the script was great.

516
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: It played out just perfectly throughout the film. Um. He,

517
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: like Spielberg, was just a master storyteller with that movie.

518
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: You were talking about how young George Romero was in

519
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Night of the Living Dead. Olberg was twenty six when

520
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: he made Jaws. He was thirteen years old. He Uh,

521
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: and he was apparently scared to death when he finished filming.

522
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: The schedule had been for fifty five days, it went

523
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: to a hundred and fifty nine. Yeah. He had I

524
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: think been allotted four million dollars. He ended up spending

525
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: twelve million on it. Um. Yeah, largely because a shooting

526
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: on water is notoriously difficult and be the shark mechanical

527
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: shark they used was legendarily um wonky and how it

528
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: are not wonky but wonky wonky. It didn't work. It

529
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: rarely worked. So they spent a lot of time and

530
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: burnt a lot of hours trying to get this shark

531
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: to do its thing, and uh so much so that

532
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: it didn't even make that many appearances in the movie.

533
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: I think they even kind of scaled it back, and

534
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: that ended up being better for the movie because you

535
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: didn't get as much shark. I looked up the um

536
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: the urban legend about the shark being named after Spielberg's lawyer, Bruce,

537
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: and apparently it's true. Really, Yeah, Bruce Rayner was the

538
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: name of Spielberg's lawyer, and the that was the nickname

539
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: for the mechanical shark on the set was Bruce. That's

540
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: pretty funny. So with Jaws, right, we're talking about horror

541
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: movies that changed the genre. Jaws not only changed the

542
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: horror genre, it changed movie making to this day, and

543
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: in multiple ways, multiple massive ways. It changed the entire

544
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: film industry, almost single handedly. Yeah, it was at the time,

545
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: there was a there was no such thing. You take

546
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: it for granted now, but there was no such thing

547
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: as a quote unquote summer release. No, a lot of

548
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: theaters closed down because a C wasn't in every theater

549
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and people didn't want to sit around in a hot

550
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: movie theater for two hours. Yeah, a summer release or

551
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: a tent pole for home or a blockbuster feature like

552
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Jaws was the first one of all those. At the

553
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: time when Jaws came out, they used to UM release

554
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: a movie on maybe one two screens and say New

555
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: York or l A for a week, and they did

556
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: make its way to you know, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Chicago for

557
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a few weeks, and then eventually make it to your

558
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: small town six eight weeks later. That was how movies

559
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: were released, not Jaws. Jaws was released on four hundred

560
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: and thirty five screens across the country, which is huge,

561
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: which is part of the part of the UM Summer

562
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Blockbuster release playbook now. Yeah, and it was also the

563
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: first movie to to spend lots and lots of money

564
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: on marketing UM and so I think the studios were like,

565
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you spend some dough on marketing,

566
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: you released this sing wide, you can make a ton

567
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: of money in the first month that the movie's out

568
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: and you're kind of set, like after that it's anything

569
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: else's gravy. Yeah, and that's after the first week or

570
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: two probably, Yeah, it was. Yeah, the whole the whole

571
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: point of blockbuster now is to get that opening weekend

572
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: to make all your money back in the opening weekend

573
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: and then everything else is gravy on top of it. Right,

574
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Jaws was it didn't make it. I don't know. Maybe

575
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: it did make its money back in the first weekend

576
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: because it hit a hundred million dollars in like seventy

577
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: eight days or something incredible like that, because it was

578
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: the first movie too had a hundred million dollars and

579
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: it did it in just a couple of months. Even. Yeah,

580
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: it eventually went on to make about two hundred and

581
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars domestically, which is I mean, that's a

582
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: great take now, Yeah, you know, much less the mid

583
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies for a twelve million dollars spend. For sure.

584
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: My only beef here is that I would not consider

585
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Jaws a horror movie. Yeah. I think it's an adventure film. Yeah,

586
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, with a scary antagonist. Yeah, but um,

587
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing how much I quote that movie in my

588
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: day today life. Yeah, just Shark, that's a great that's

589
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: a classic. All right, let's take a break. I'm gonna

590
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: meditate on that line, and we'll talk about a few

591
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: other scary movies, including one that was originally titled Scary

592
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Movie Okay, moving on to Halloween. Halloween Chuck eight, I

593
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: believe Halloween. Yes, John Carpenter, Uh, the youngish John Carpenter

594
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: who originally titled this movie The Babysitter Murders. No, A

595
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: little on the nose. Yeah, pretty terrifying title, I guess.

596
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Young Jamie Lee Curtis her very first movie, was it

597
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: really Yeah? Well, she went on to become known as

598
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: the scream Queen for all the horror movies she was in.

599
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Totally and this was shot in twenty days and uh

600
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: South Pasadena as the Midwest and um it's credited as

601
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: being birthing the slasher genre. Yeah it did, so there

602
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: were slasher films before. The Town That Dreaded Sundown was

603
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: like based on a true crime story actually in Texas

604
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: of one called Black Christmas The Grabster sites from UR

605
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: haven't heard of that one. But the idea of um

606
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: of a faceless almost a like non entity entity coming

607
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: at you, uh and relentlessly stalking you, be impervious to harm,

608
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: as the Webster puts it, um, and just coming at

609
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: you again and again trying to kill you. That that

610
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: was that was all established by Halloween, and it was

611
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: done like too too great effect as well. Yeah, and

612
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: it holds up. It's still scary. Uh. Michael Myers, of

613
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: course was the killer. Um the music that John Carpenter score.

614
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he scores most of his movies himself, but

615
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: very iconic, uh, basic thing. I think he only took

616
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: a couple of days to come up with it. But

617
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: like the Michael Myers character and the mask or so iconic,

618
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: the music is so iconic. Do you know about the mask, right, Chatner? Yeah, yeah,

619
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: go ahead. I went and check that one out too

620
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: to verify that it was true. And it definitely is

621
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: true that Michael Myers mask is actually a Captain Kirk

622
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: star Trek mask painted white. That is history. Yep. The

623
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: in the in the script when it came to the mask,

624
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: it just a pale, neutral features of a man. Yeah,

625
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: which makes the whole thing even creepier because he's an

626
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: implacid or is that the right word. I don't know.

627
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: He's just it's just almost like just an emotionless killer.

628
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: It made the fact that he was merciless, ruthless, pitiless

629
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: and and all arbitrarily killing people almost all the more

630
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: pronounced because his expression never changes. Well, to me, the

631
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: two things were creepiest about Halloween was the expression never

632
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: changed because of that mask, and he did not run,

633
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, he would just walk and you still

634
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: got the feeling like you can't outrun this guy even

635
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: though he's walking. That was another creepy part about it.

636
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: It follows with the walking aspect of it for sure. Yeah,

637
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: in the same way that like twenty eight Days Later

638
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: was freaky and that it took zombies and made him run. Yeah.

639
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Or I remember when I saw Friday I'm sorry, h

640
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time and Freddy

641
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Krueger was running around. I was like, that's not what

642
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: scary dudes do. Yes, scary dudes don't try now they

643
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: walk very creepily towards you and still somehow gained speed

644
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: on you even though you're running full speed. Freddy scared

645
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: me to death the first time I saw that movie. Yeah,

646
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: the first one was a pretty good one. But Halloween

647
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: established this, Like you said, it established the slasher genre,

648
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: and everything about slasher films still today all rooted in

649
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: Halloween John Carpenter's tropes. Yeah, and again, like you said,

650
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: there were a couple of other slasher films before, but

651
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: none of them grossed close to fifty million bucks. Wow,

652
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: is that how much Halloween made? Yeah, forty seven million

653
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: domestic at about a three hundred thousand dollar budgets. So

654
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: it uh, you know, that's sort of like with The Exorcists,

655
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Like there were other movies that sort of did this

656
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: thing before, but when you have a huge hit that

657
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: does it was when it sort of redefines the genre

658
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: because it's money. Yeah, that's everyone starts paying attention after all, Right,

659
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: what's next? What's next? My friend? Is a movie that

660
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: came out when I don't know, were you still in college? Uh? No,

661
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: you must have just been out then I was out

662
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: a few years. Okay, Well, regardless around our college era,

663
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: this movie came out. Because up to this point, everything's

664
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: come out either when we were little or before we

665
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: were born. This one was right in our wheelhouse. It

666
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: was The Blair Witch Project, which came out. Yeah, and uh.

667
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: One of the big things that um Blair Witch Project

668
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: did well two things. Really, it established the found footage

669
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: genre or sub genre that is so overplayed now, uh

670
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: in the viral marketing campaign. And that's how I came

671
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: upon it. I remember very specifically being in the apartment

672
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: of Scotty Polito, who you know, he shot our TV show,

673
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: one of my oldest friends. And I was sitting in

674
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: his apartment on Claremont Avenue Indicator and I happened upon this.

675
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: And this was pre Facebook. I don't even know how

676
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: I found it. You before things were being shared around

677
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: and I happened upon this website, the very first Blair

678
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: Witch Project website, and I was like, dude, come over

679
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: here and check this out. This is the scariest thing

680
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And I remember the website set it

681
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: up as if it was real, and that this found

682
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: footage thing, it's so overdone now it's hard to go

683
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: back in time and remember when it was fresh. But

684
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: I remember looking at and being like, did this happen?

685
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Did they really find this footage of this murder in

686
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: the woods? Liked to see this? That was the rumor

687
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: that this was actually real, man. And this is, like

688
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, this is before the found footage genres.

689
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: So people were being exposed to this concept for the

690
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: first time, and we're kind of falling for it. I mean,

691
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: you're either in college or you're just recently out of college,

692
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: so you're maybe slightly more guldbal than you are ten

693
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: years ready to believe it? You want to believe right,

694
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, the idea that this was actual found footage,

695
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: it just made it all the more enjoyable and people

696
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: were buying into it. And I think the other part

697
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: of it too, was that the filmmakers, partly because they

698
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: didn't have the budget for actual effects, left a lot

699
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: of the scariest parts to your imagination. Yeah, nor did

700
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: they have the talent to make a good narrative film,

701
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, they worked on a sixty four

702
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: page script, which I was surprised that it was that

703
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: that big. But they shot it for eight days and

704
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: originally they were going to make it like a documentary

705
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: about the found footage, and then one of them had

706
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: a flash of of perspective was like, wait, wait, wait, wait,

707
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: let's just release it like it's found footage. And that

708
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: was that. The rest was history. Yeah, and I'm poking fun.

709
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: That was not very nice at all. Um Eduard of

710
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Sanchez and Daniel Myrick or Merrick, the co directors, they

711
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: they should be credited with the truly ingenious uh campaign

712
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: and invention that well, they weren't the first to come

713
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: up with on footage, right, there were some films before. Um,

714
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: I've never known how to pronounce it, Mondo Kanne, ermando Kane,

715
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: I think Connie. It's from nineteen sixty two and it

716
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: was supposedly a documentary about um like some like weird

717
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: tribal rituals. I think there's head shrinking maybe involved, and

718
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: it purported to be like real footage. Same with Cannibal Holocaust,

719
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: where if you've never seen Campbell Holocaust, go out and

720
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: watch it right now. It's very disturbing. Um. And it's

721
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: so disturbing that the director of the movie was charged

722
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: with murder because they believed that the actual murders depicted

723
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: they were so realistic. They thought that it was a

724
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: snuff film basically, but it was supposed to be a

725
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: documentary as well. So there was an idea of like

726
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: found footage or documentary style horror movies that had come before,

727
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: but nothing like The Blair Witch where it was just

728
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: straight up these people we found their their old camera, uh,

729
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: and this is what was on it. Well, and they

730
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: were smart enough to kind of dig up an old

731
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: thing that never went huge, you know, and they're like, hey, man,

732
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: like these other movies, they never really hit it big,

733
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: and they it was a timing thing. They they, I mean,

734
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: hats off for them to them, yeah, good for them,

735
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: and to them. Nice going to a right chuck. Scream, Yeah, scream.

736
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: I tease that it was originally titled scary movie. I'm

737
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: glad it wasn't because scary movie is awesome. I don't know,

738
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: it's scary movie ever would have been called maybe it

739
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: would have never been made, or maybe they would have

740
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: called that scream. Oh yeah, I guess so. So. Scream

741
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: was a very big deal when it came out. The

742
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: writer Kevin Williamson, um, and this is still the highest

743
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: growing slash of film of all time, basically Scream one. Yes,

744
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it was huge. I got Nev Campbell's haircut as a

745
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: result of it. Like it was a big, big pop

746
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: culture water mark. It was. And one of the big

747
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: things about it, aside from the boatloads of money that

748
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: it made, was it spawned a sub genre called meta horror,

749
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: which is um even though it had been done by

750
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: no less than its own director Wes Craven. With Wes

751
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Craven's New Nightmare Uh two years before Scream, it wasn't

752
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: nearly as popular, but met a horror is this idea?

753
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: And if you've ever seen Scream, you know they're constantly

754
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: just referencing horror movies, like this is where you know,

755
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: you don't go out and make out in the car

756
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: because that's where you get killed. And then they would

757
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: do that and get killed, right, although I don't think

758
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: that specific thing happened, like don't go back into the house. Yeah,

759
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: like all the tropes of horror movies are addressed in

760
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: the movie, and they're talking about them as the horror

761
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: movie tropes. Yes, yeah, exactly, maya horror. Yeah. And there

762
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: are plenty of other things that came along better met

763
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: a horror um examples like have you seen Tucker and

764
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: Dale Versus Evil? Uh no? Check it out? Man, all right,

765
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: that's a good movie. Zombie Land. Did see that where

766
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: he's rattling off all of the things that you need

767
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: to notice survive a zombie apocalypse that he learned from

768
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: zombie movies, right, And then Cabin in the Woods. Did

769
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: you see that? One? Great movie? It was a great movie.

770
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good. I mean from beginning

771
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: to end, it was a great movie. Did you like Scream? Yeah?

772
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I love Scream. I liked all the screams. I only

773
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: saw the first two. The second one I think might

774
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: have been even better than the first to me, And

775
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: that the second was shot Emily worked on that it

776
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: was shot here in at Agnes Scott College. Parts right

777
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: to go back and watch it knowing that now I'll

778
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I've driven past that place. Uh. So

779
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: I got a few tidbits, like I said. Initial title

780
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: of scary movie um number two. The Weinstein Brothers initially

781
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: offered it to George Romero and Sam Rami, Um, what

782
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: else do I have here? Drew Barrymore was originally supposed

783
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: to play Sydney, the lead character, and then she said, no,

784
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: how about if I just played that girl at the beginning,

785
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: which kind of was a big thing because you see

786
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Drew Marry Barrymore And it was a big shock when

787
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: she died in the first scene. You know, you can't

788
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: kill off your heroine right away. Yeah, I mean, like

789
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that first scene really really scaring

790
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: me when I saw it the first time in the theater.

791
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's a scary, gruesome, gory. Yeah, very

792
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: well played. Uh. And then before he went to um

793
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: NEV Campbell, he went out to Alicia with Britney Murphy

794
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: and Reese Witherspoon Cambell your christ choice. Uh. And then

795
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: the mask, the iconic screen mask apparently wasn't off the

796
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: shelf mask. Wow, that made that company's money. Yeah. And

797
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: the wine Steins didn't like it. They were like, I

798
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: hate that mask. Everything else is fine, huh. But west

799
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Craven said, no, it's got to be the mask. It

800
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: would be stupid. Bob m alright, we're gonna finish up

801
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: with our own edition here. Finally, nineteen sixty Psycho. I

802
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: can't believe this wasn't in the list. I think Ed

803
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: kept this off the list to toy with somebody he

804
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: doesn't like specifically. That's the only explanation. Yeah, because Psycho

805
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: changed everything. Yeah, it really did. I mean it was

806
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: the you could say that it was one of the

807
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: first slasher flicks. It was a early psychological thriller. Um.

808
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: It was based on the real life story of Ed Geen.

809
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't exactly mirror a Gaen's life, but

810
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the idea of um being obsessed with your mother so

811
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: much that you will commit murder. Uh. It was definitely

812
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: rooted in a Gains story. Um. If you're not familiar

813
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: with ed Geen. He not only he was I don't

814
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: even know if he was a serial killer. I think he.

815
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: I think he murdered one, maybe two people, but more

816
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: than anything, he was a grave robber. But he likes

817
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to um dress up in people's skin, women's skin and

818
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: pretend he was his own mother. Which, man, that's a

819
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: lot of years on the couch work and that one

820
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: out or you can just die at the hands of

821
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: cops one of the two. Um. And he also inspired

822
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: leather Face from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah, and and Buffalo

823
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: Bill of course. Oh yeah, yeah, Sounds of the Lambs. Yeah,

824
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: one guy inspired all those two, all those guys. So

825
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: I found this article Psycho Colan The Horror Movie that

826
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Changed the Genre by Owen Glieberman or is it Gliberman?

827
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: Think he wrote for Legendary Critic, wrote for e W

828
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: for years and years and now writes for a variety.

829
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh he does. Yeah, but he uh he put it best.

830
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: He said, um, well, you know, the iconic shower scene,

831
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: first of all, is hugely important because it was Hitchcock

832
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: really kind of ripped up the script, not literally, but

833
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: the horror movie script when he kills off Janet Lee

834
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: halfway through the movie. It was you just didn't do

835
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: that at the time. We came out of nowhere, and

836
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: we've seen that come up later on, like at the

837
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: end of Nither Living Dead or Drew Barrymore and Scream.

838
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: Hitchcock was the first one to do that. Yeah, And Uh,

839
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: Glieberman puts it this way. He said he was also

840
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: slicing through years, decades, centuries even of audience expectation that

841
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: the hero or heroine of a fictional work would be

842
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: shielded and protected or would at least die usually the

843
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: end in a way that made some sort of moral

844
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: dramatic sense. Uh. In Psycho, the murder made no sense

845
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: at all, right, And he really kind of hits it

846
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: on the head there. It was like, if you've never

847
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: seen Psycho or heard of it, the movie is just

848
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: going along about this woman who likes steals some money

849
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: from her work, and she's kind of on the lamb

850
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: and checks into this hotel and you don't even know

851
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: it's a horror movie. You're thinking it's a a movie

852
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: about a lady who steals money and is trying to

853
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: get away from getting caught, right, and then just out

854
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: of nowhere, she's hacked up in a shower and at

855
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: the time, audiences and still if you haven't seen it,

856
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: it's shocking. The audiences were just like they didn't know

857
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: what they'd seen right exactly, So you're not not only

858
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: is is the hero no longer safe? That means maybe

859
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: you're not either. So it has it had a really

860
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: huge unsettling effect. And then Owen Glieberman points out that

861
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Hitchcock was so smart that he even he he even

862
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: made a nod to the the type of pat expected

863
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: horror that the audience was used to. In the house

864
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: that he used for Psycho, the Bates House. There was

865
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: this huge, rambling Victorian mansion on a hill. There's lots

866
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: of taxidermy, and it was like over over decorated and

867
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: just creepy. But up to that point, like that was horror.

868
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: That was what a horror movie looked like and felt like.

869
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: And this was this was kind of Hitchcock's homage to that,

870
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: but at the same time he was also putting the

871
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: heel of his shoe on it as well. Yeah, and

872
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: that house was, I mean almost a character in itself.

873
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: Like if you've ever seen the recreation of it, at

874
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: in in Los Angeles. I think it's a universal Did

875
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: you see it? Oh yeah, I never did. The closest

876
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: I came was I think when different Strokes went there.

877
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: That's the closest you got to it. Yeah, uh yeah. Man,

878
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen the thing in person, like it's

879
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: it sends a chill up your back just seeing this

880
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: thing in like a sunny Los Angeles day. Still, it's

881
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: such an iconic house, it's like, oh man, uh, there

882
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: it is. That's where Norman Bates lives. He's the most

883
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: disturbed human of all time. Right. So in the movie,

884
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 1: of course, there was the mother character who is sort

885
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: of referenced throughout the movie. And it is not until

886
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: the end that you realize that there is no mother.

887
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: Mother is dead. There's just Norman Bates and all his

888
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: rage and hang ups. Yeah. So all the monster movies

889
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: about giant ants and or the creature from the Black Billgoon, monsters,

890
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: things that were and other that a normal person had

891
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: to do battle with that was gone. Now the monster

892
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: had been on screen the whole time, and you had

893
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: noticed it. And now what do you think about your

894
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: neighbor who has seemed a little weird from time to

895
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: time before. Could he be a murderer who thinks he's

896
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: his mother, who knows this is what Hitchcock did everybody

897
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: back in nineteen sixty And you almost get like I think,

898
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Owen Gliberman points it out. Yeah, he does. At the beginning,

899
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: he basically says like, UM, we probably didn't see Psycho.

900
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: If you're reading this, you're probably too young to have

901
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: seen Psycho in nineteen sixty And we should all feel

902
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: sad that we didn't, because it's so changed everything that

903
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: we can't do anything but take it for granted now.

904
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: And everything that's comes since the and has been trying

905
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: to regain that shock and horror that it instilled in audiences,

906
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: and and thus far no one's actually been able to

907
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. And the other thing, I remember when

908
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I saw it when I was younger. I think I

909
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: saw this when I was like fourteen ish, Um, and

910
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I think I had this impact on just about everyone.

911
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I took a shower for a month.

912
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: I was straight up bathtub curtain open, doors open, windows open,

913
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: making your mom watch, she's keeping watch. You know. That

914
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: would have been full circle back to yeah, yeah, you

915
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: didn't even want to have anything to do with your

916
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: mom No, man, like it changed the shower curtain industry

917
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: for a while after that. Yeah, bet, very good movie.

918
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: And um, there were a couple of Hitchcock movies in

919
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: the last few years. Uh, two different ones, one with

920
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins and one with Toby Jones that were both

921
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: really good. And one was about the years that he

922
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: was making Psycho. The other was about the years when

923
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: he was making The Birds, and they were both really

924
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: really good movies. And you should check those out too.

925
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: You should repeat that. We just got a interjection from Noel,

926
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: so go ahead and say it again, Josh, in case

927
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: it didn't come through. So Nol just said that. Um.

928
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: The director of The Black Coats Daughter is Anthony Perkins,

929
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: who played Norman Bates in Psycho's Son. Wow. He also

930
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: did another movie now that Noel says that, Thanks Noel. Um.

931
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: It's called The Pretty Little Thing That Lives in the House,

932
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: which was another horror movie, a ghost story that was

933
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: his first one, and I think that might be on Netflix.

934
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: It's great. It's a really great movie too. Man. This

935
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: has got me fired up to see some horror movies.

936
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: It's a renaissance of horror Yeah. It's tough though, because

937
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Emily doesn't really dig it, so I have to just

938
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: find a loane time to do that, to watch in

939
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the bathroom. All right, Well, if you want to know

940
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: more about horror movies, go watch horror movies. Go forth

941
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: and let us know what we missed. For God's sake. Yeah,

942
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: if you want to check out the grabsters list, type

943
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: in horror movies on the search bar at house to

944
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: works dot com and will bring up this fine, fine

945
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: list that you will disagree with. And um, since I

946
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: said disagree, it's time for listener mail. Uh. This from Eric,

947
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna call it what he called it, a

948
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: Schoolhouse Rock and nostalgia theory. Alright, I think he's pretty

949
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: right on this just came in. Actually, there's a hot take, hey,

950
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: guys in Schoolhouse Rocks. So Josh made the statement that

951
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: gen xers are most nostalgic generation attributed to this success

952
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: of Schoolhouse Rock. I'm going to offer my own theory.

953
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: I propose that gen x is nostalgic mostly for pop

954
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: culture because of the prolifer uh that word of child

955
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: targeted advertisements and marketing in the seventies and eighties. Certainly

956
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: something We've talked about this. Theories got like, while our

957
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: little impressionable brains were developing, we're being taught by those

958
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: who are steering pop culture to long for and find

959
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: fulfillment in the toys and other products our cartoons were

960
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: pushing on us. Now it's adults, those messages are still

961
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: deep in our psyche. We can't shake the idea that

962
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: we still really need those Star Wars action figures to

963
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: be happy, not because the toys and the shows were

964
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: so great, because we had been tricked into believing we

965
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: need them. I have nothing scientific to back this up,

966
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: just a hunch yet. What you mean there hasn't been

967
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: a study from m I t alright on Star Wars toys.

968
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised by that as well. I thought

969
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: you were being facetious at first. Yeah. I don't know

970
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: which ways up at this point. Nothing scientific to back

971
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: this up, but I'd love to hear what you all think.

972
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: See if anyone out there is any respectable and informed input,

973
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: which Eric, that is from Eric Lewin and Erica. I

974
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: think that's super valid. Yeah I do too, Eric. I

975
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: think you've really hit upon something here, and that's all

976
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: I have to say. About it. If you have a

977
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: great theory, fan theory, real life theory, whatever, we want

978
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: to hear them there, especially if it's interesting. You can

979
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,240
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980
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,440
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981
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982
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983
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