Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it.
Speaker 1: He joined us always by our bard. Here is Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bars. I would put David Andrews in
Speaker 1: terms of guys that I just enjoyed covering the most.
Speaker 1: I would put David Andrews on my personal nout rushmore
Speaker 1: up there with Devin mccordy, with Matthew Slater and those Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know Matt Russ four, but I think that those
Speaker 1: three kind of stand alone for me as just perfect Patriots,
Speaker 1: like just perfect on and off the field.
Speaker 2: All throw in there too. And this was one of
Speaker 2: the first guys we ever talked to was Dante Hidawer.
Speaker 2: He's he definitely knew how much.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what we were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, did you get one question something
Speaker 2: like that. He's like, you can talk to me once
Speaker 2: a week or something. Yeah, it was like it was funny.
Speaker 2: He was always really good to us.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny. Was that's a good you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: giving us a little rookie moment. Yeah, he would do that,
Speaker 1: and he was he was kidding, but he's also not kidding, and.
Speaker 2: It had to be good, and it had to be good,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't answer.
Speaker 1: I remember one time I tried to ask him another
Speaker 1: question a couple of days later, and he remembered. He said,
Speaker 1: You've already asked me your question this week. I'm not
Speaker 1: answering it. He was kidding, But yeah, he's he's definitely
Speaker 1: he was great. Yeah, he's definitely on that list as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, Hello, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch
Speaker 1: twenty two with you for the next couple of hours.
Speaker 1: Good story time there, good good recollection of our our
Speaker 1: young days on the beat. More that come in the
Speaker 1: next five weeks, I'll tell you, Oh yeah, yeah. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a good segue though, Alex, and we
Speaker 1: got Alex Barth here, Alex behind the glass, Alex is
Speaker 1: with me, and I think it's a good segue into
Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about off the top of
Speaker 1: the show here with coming off camp two days out there,
Speaker 1: I mean camp. We were both there for the last
Speaker 1: couple of days of practice, and we early on in
Speaker 1: our time, and I'll just speak for myself, I early
Speaker 1: on in my time would come out in the spring
Speaker 1: and just overrate everything that I saw this time of year.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy's gonna be a star. That guy's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, be he's gonna stink. You know, this
Speaker 1: is my guy.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You know, we always make fun of Maurice Harris, but
Speaker 1: it's the Maurice Harris of it all. We're making fun
Speaker 1: of us, yes, for what we thought about. Good point,
Speaker 1: good way to put that. So I get that there
Speaker 1: there's that element of this whole time of year as always.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that, you know, just along those lines,
Speaker 1: like I really want to drink the kool aid with
Speaker 1: this team right now because I am excited. I am
Speaker 1: optimistic about what they put together.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: They they had a really good off season. They had
Speaker 1: a really good off season, a good draft, good free agency,
Speaker 1: they had a good spring. I thought the practices were
Speaker 1: as energetic and just people buying in and there was
Speaker 1: energy and there was buying and there was competitiveness even
Speaker 1: during the team drills, you know towards the uh, the
Speaker 1: big portions of practice there during the team drills where
Speaker 1: you have offense defense on the field and everybody's off
Speaker 1: to the side that isn't on the that isn't playing
Speaker 1: and everyone's watching like there was a great energy and
Speaker 1: back and forth to what they were doing. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that tone is obviously set by the head coach and
Speaker 1: his energy and his enthusiasm, which is infectious. And I
Speaker 1: have the glass of kool Aid is like on the
Speaker 1: table right like I poured it. It's on the table,
Speaker 1: it's right there. I'm like about to pick it up
Speaker 1: and drink it. What's your favorite kol Aid? Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite one? Oh? Man, I just the lemonade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say lemonade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a long day, but that used to
Speaker 2: be a summer staple. Maybe I'll bring that back to
Speaker 2: This is the analogy I came up. So did you
Speaker 2: have like how did you have it? Because I used
Speaker 2: to get or my mom used to get like the powder.
Speaker 2: I used to have the pouches, right, isn't that where
Speaker 2: their power? Just know?
Speaker 1: We had like it was like a like a like
Speaker 1: a powder, like a Gatorade powder, but kool Aid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was in like you know, plastic kind of
Speaker 1: yeah yeah right right See I didn't I didn't like
Speaker 1: that one though, because I always felt like I got
Speaker 1: the ratio wrong, right, Like you had to nail the
Speaker 1: water the powder ratio. Otherwise it is either too wired
Speaker 1: down or it was too sugary.
Speaker 3: It was our first science experiment.
Speaker 1: Put sugar in, which probably wasn't the healthiest thing to do.
Speaker 1: You would put sugar in the kool aid.
Speaker 2: If I didn't get that already, I admitted it wasn't healthy.
Speaker 2: Years old, I see what like this this is country
Speaker 2: time for some reason.
Speaker 1: But like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to do that. I used to have that
Speaker 1: a lot with gatoring because I think it might have
Speaker 1: been a little bit cheaper than buying the body. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember that. Oh yeah, that I don't remember.
Speaker 1: The other thing that was great about now we're totally
Speaker 1: on a tangent side summer. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: great about the Gatorade Power is that I went to
Speaker 1: overnight camp and you could keep the gatorade powder. Didn't
Speaker 1: need a fridge for the gatorad power, right, So you
Speaker 1: could keep the Gatorade power powder in your bunk and
Speaker 1: then you would take like a cup of it with
Speaker 1: you to the dining hall and then you'd you know,
Speaker 1: you could put water in it and now you have gatorade.
Speaker 2: Oh I do remember, okay, I do remember that. I
Speaker 2: don't know that, like we were hat in the house,
Speaker 2: but I do. I do remember this.
Speaker 1: Okay, So back on football. I want to drink the
Speaker 1: kool aid. I the class is poured. It's there, it's
Speaker 1: in front of me. I see it. I see Rabel's vision.
Speaker 1: I see what he's brought to the table. I've honestly
Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching Josh McDaniel's work again too, you know,
Speaker 1: headset on play sheet. He just seems in his element,
Speaker 1: whereas maybe as a head coach it was a little
Speaker 1: bit different for him. But this seems to be his calling,
Speaker 1: is to be an offensive coordinator and and be a
Speaker 1: good one at that. We can't, you know, divulge too
Speaker 1: much about the plays that they were actually running, but
Speaker 1: the offensive were the offensive install in particular, I'm excited about.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of wrinkles in there that
Speaker 1: I was hoping that they were going to do, which
Speaker 1: we can get into in a little bit. And I
Speaker 1: want to drink the kool aid now. For the first
Speaker 1: time though, and probably my entire Patriots fandom, like I'm
Speaker 1: hardened by this team a little bit right, everyone knows
Speaker 1: what they've been post Brady. You know, they have one
Speaker 1: playoff appearance in five years. They're thirty three and fifty
Speaker 1: one with one winning season since Tom Brady walked out
Speaker 1: the door. So as much as I want to drink it,
Speaker 1: my guard's up, Like my guard is legitimately up about everything.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if I just trust my
Speaker 1: eyes and what I'm seeing you, Drake May made progressive
Speaker 1: strides throughout the entire spring where he just got better
Speaker 1: and better with every practice and you could see the
Speaker 1: comfort level improving. And he even said, which I thought
Speaker 1: was awesome, is exactly what you want to hear your
Speaker 1: quarterback say, I don't want to leave. He literally said
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to leave because they're making so much
Speaker 1: momentum here in the spring. So as much as my
Speaker 1: guard is up, my spring guard is up because I
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, overrate practices and shorts and
Speaker 1: a T shirt, and we obviously know what this team
Speaker 1: has been the last couple of years, So my guard
Speaker 1: is up because of that. But this is as optimistic
Speaker 1: as I've been. Specifically, I would say about the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball and quite some time with this team,
Speaker 1: because I really feel like by the end of the
Speaker 1: spring you were starting to see some real great signs
Speaker 1: about what this offense can be, especially from Drake May
Speaker 1: and Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say for me, I don't even know if
Speaker 2: it's like being hardened by the team as much as
Speaker 2: it is. I don't want to overcorrect and know you
Speaker 2: take so much from the spring and what does it
Speaker 2: amount to.
Speaker 1: And I also don't.
Speaker 2: Want to be sit here and be that guy like, well,
Speaker 2: actually none of it matters, yeah, right, because there are
Speaker 2: bits and pieces that matter you pick through it. I
Speaker 2: don't know that. Like, my level of optimism is about
Speaker 2: the same. I like the moves they made this offseason.
Speaker 2: I whether it be coaching, whether it be played like
Speaker 2: I think they did. I think I gave him like
Speaker 2: a beat, right, I think they did just about everything
Speaker 2: they could do. The veteran wide receiver market was the
Speaker 2: one thing that I was like, maybe they could have done,
Speaker 2: but like, overall, really solid, especially from where they worked
Speaker 2: where they are now is a significant significant improvement. So
Speaker 2: I but for me, it's just like I don't know
Speaker 2: how much I saw it, Like I guess the coaching
Speaker 2: stuff was more validating the player stuff. They're not in pads,
Speaker 2: We're not really sure. But that's not to say I
Speaker 2: don't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: I do. I just I felt good about it going in.
Speaker 2: So it didn't The spring didn't change a ton for me,
Speaker 2: other than maybe, like like you said, seeing how Vrabel
Speaker 2: was about his business, seeing Josh McDaniel's work again, those
Speaker 2: were probably the biggest takeaways for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree, and I think the hardest part about
Speaker 1: this job this time of year is determining what's real
Speaker 1: and what's This is the spring and there's no pads
Speaker 1: and there's no contact, and we're in shorts and T shirts.
Speaker 1: But one of the biggest things that I think is
Speaker 1: really important this time a year is procedural stuff. Are
Speaker 1: they getting in and out of the huddle? Are they
Speaker 1: lining up correctly? Are there a flurry of pre snap
Speaker 1: penalties or errors, substitution errors, penalties, things like that. Are
Speaker 1: guys jumping off sides all the time? There was a
Speaker 1: little bit of that yesterday. I thought it got a
Speaker 1: little bit loose in practice yesterday. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: with out of the five practices that we saw in
Speaker 1: the spring, it was really clean, like there weren't guys
Speaker 1: lining up incorrectly. And then it's well, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy went in motion when he shouldn't have, or this
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be in this alignment and he's
Speaker 1: in that alignment. Now we got to re huddle. Now
Speaker 1: we got to recall the play in the huddle, and
Speaker 1: like all this kind of stuff. And I know that
Speaker 1: sounds elementary and like it's these are professional football players,
Speaker 1: they should already know how to do these things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but based off the last couple of years of what
Speaker 1: we've watched, I'm telling you it's not that simple. There
Speaker 1: are instances, especially in the last two camps, I would say,
Speaker 1: where there was a ton of that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: going on and to not see any of that just
Speaker 1: allows you to get ahead of where they were this
Speaker 1: time last year. And it really hit me yesterday when
Speaker 1: we saw them doing some of their red zone install
Speaker 1: and things like that during practice how far ahead they
Speaker 1: are relative to years past. And I mean, really the
Speaker 1: last two years. They are already doing things now that
Speaker 1: is deep, deep, deep into the install that I just
Speaker 1: don't think they ever really got to, especially this time
Speaker 1: of year. Over the last couple of years, and that
Speaker 1: just allows you to continue to build, and then you
Speaker 1: come back for training camp and it's more putting in
Speaker 1: some of the specialized plays or some of the creative
Speaker 1: plays and some of the different things, and then just
Speaker 1: drilling the base stuff because you already have the base
Speaker 1: stuff installed. So that part of it, the cleanliness, the
Speaker 1: procedural stuff. How far along it appears that they are
Speaker 1: offensively in particular, I think defensively defense is kind of
Speaker 1: defense this time of year, and you're not really doing
Speaker 1: too much, But how far along they are? Red zone,
Speaker 1: third down, like they've did all that over the last
Speaker 1: couple of days, and they're already through all of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So now that it's all about tweaks
Speaker 1: and adjustments and adding and moving forward and continuing that momentum.
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing that I take away from
Speaker 1: this time of year, not necessarily who flashed and who
Speaker 1: didn't and that sort of thing. I try not to
Speaker 1: put too much stock into that stuff anymore. But is
Speaker 1: it a clean operation? Is it a professional operation? Does
Speaker 1: it look like it should? Do the players look like
Speaker 1: they should? Do people know where they're going? Are they
Speaker 1: lined up correctly? Are they getting in and out of
Speaker 1: the huddle on time? There was a time yesterday where
Speaker 1: they were a little slow getting out of the huddle
Speaker 1: and Vrabel is like yelling at like, let's go right.
Speaker 1: So those attention to detail things are definitely back with
Speaker 1: this football team, which is really encouraging. That's what you
Speaker 1: want this time of year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, people would ask me, well, does
Speaker 2: it feel different than last year? And it you know,
Speaker 2: I was kind of saying, yeah, yeah, I mean yes
Speaker 2: and no, it's just so early, how do you know?
Speaker 2: But I do remember one of the first things last
Speaker 2: year that was a little head scratching was like they
Speaker 2: didn't we've covered enough camps that we kind of know
Speaker 2: when you sort of take the jump to the next
Speaker 2: step and in any various number of ways. And it
Speaker 2: felt like at times they were maybe a little behind
Speaker 2: schedule with the install Now that was more in the
Speaker 2: summer than the spring. But to see them get into
Speaker 2: red zone and get into third down right away in
Speaker 2: mini campus like okay, here we go, like they're taking
Speaker 2: that next step. So the operation from that macro standpoint
Speaker 2: and then to zoom in a little bit more like
Speaker 2: you said, getting in out of the huddle, the substitution stuff,
Speaker 2: things like that. I think there were a few penalties
Speaker 2: yesterday that maybe went uncalled, but overall, penalty wise of
Speaker 2: very clean spring like that kind of stuff is how
Speaker 2: you tell that they're making progress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all positive things, good things. Now I'll do
Speaker 1: a little bit of a compliment Sandwich here. All that
Speaker 1: was really positive for the first thirteen minutes of the show,
Speaker 1: and I meant to every word. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, the drink is the kool aid is poured,
Speaker 1: it's right in front of me. I just need to
Speaker 1: see I need to see some padded practices before I'm
Speaker 1: starting to drink it, right, But it's right there in
Speaker 1: front of me.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The one to make this a compliment, Sandwich. The criticisms
Speaker 1: are just sort of the small sea concerns, I guess
Speaker 1: is the better way to put it. That I still have.
Speaker 1: And I'm still focused mostly on offense right now. One,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this offensive line is going to
Speaker 1: look like. I still am not one hundred percent sure
Speaker 1: that their line is going to be significantly improved, mainly
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen it in pads, so like that's
Speaker 1: a big reason and I think a lot of this
Speaker 1: time of year or two when you're not in pads,
Speaker 1: like it's hard to pass block without pads on, you
Speaker 1: really can't hit anybody. You're in a basketball stands and
Speaker 1: just trying to kind of stay in front of guys.
Speaker 1: It's clearly advance defense in that respect with the pass rush,
Speaker 1: and it's basically third down every play because you know
Speaker 1: they're running. You're not running the ball, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of advantages. But just looking at it on paper,
Speaker 1: you have what I believe is probably the biggest hole
Speaker 1: on in this you know, all twenty two right now,
Speaker 1: and the starting lineup on both sides of the ball
Speaker 1: at left guard. I have no idea what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do at left guard. Now. They have bodies to throw
Speaker 1: at it. It's not that they don't have options. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if any of them are good options.
Speaker 1: You know, Cole Strange probably right now is the leader
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. He's got the inside track if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy and all that momentum continues, I
Speaker 1: do think he's probably gonna hold off everybody and keep
Speaker 1: that job going into the season. But left guard is
Speaker 1: a giant unknown right now at center, we probably know
Speaker 1: what Brad Burry is gonna you're hoping he's gonna just
Speaker 1: be a serviceable starting center. I don't think anybody's thinking
Speaker 1: that he's going to be anything more than that. So
Speaker 1: those are two spots on your interior. Morgan mos is
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, just is what it is. Will
Speaker 1: Campbell's a rookie, is what it is. He's a highly
Speaker 1: drafted rookie, and you hope that that means that he's seamless,
Speaker 1: but he's a rookie at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And then there's Big Mike, who is Big Mic, right,
Speaker 1: So you put all this together, and that's my biggest
Speaker 1: concern with this team right now. We know what it
Speaker 1: looks like when the offensive line is so bad that
Speaker 1: you just can't really function offensively. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're going to get to that point. Hopefully we don't.
Speaker 1: But right now, if I had to say, what's my
Speaker 1: biggest concern on this team, it's still the offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still a lot of unknowns there. And look, I
Speaker 2: think I was talking to somebody about this. Guess say,
Speaker 2: like I think they're in a much better spot on
Speaker 2: the offensive line than they were last year. I think
Speaker 2: they're significantly improved, but I still think that there are
Speaker 2: concerns with that group.
Speaker 1: Both of those can be true.
Speaker 2: It's more just kind of an indictment on where they
Speaker 2: were last year with it. But they have like this
Speaker 2: time last year, you just did it left guard right,
Speaker 2: We don't know, And I think even to say Cole
Speaker 2: Strange is the favorite, like he was out there good
Speaker 2: amount in the spring, but he was kind of after
Speaker 2: by the fault, they weren't really you know, I city
Speaker 2: so I was playing on the right side because Mike
Speaker 2: when wine was limited and west Weis, who's I was
Speaker 2: since retired, wasn't out there.
Speaker 1: Tyres Robinson missed a couple of.
Speaker 2: Practice at this moment, but he wasn't out there, so
Speaker 2: we don't know would have been out there. You know,
Speaker 2: Lane Robinson's the one guy that just kind of seems
Speaker 2: like clearly he isn't getting the work. But you know,
Speaker 2: last year we were doing that at both tackle spots, right,
Speaker 2: who are both tackles.
Speaker 1: Going to be?
Speaker 2: And you at least know going in Like nobody's question,
Speaker 2: where's Morgan Moses added thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: It's a fair question.
Speaker 2: But we know he's proven he can be in his
Speaker 2: starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. Will Campbell, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's it's based on potential, but he was the fourth
Speaker 2: overall pick for a reason.
Speaker 1: He's a very technically skilled guy.
Speaker 2: Like you're looking at upside there with Brad Berry, I
Speaker 2: think I still think that's a battle with him at
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson. It was limited the spring, so we didn't
Speaker 2: get to see much of him, But like you feel
Speaker 2: like you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Be able to get a starter there, there is.
Speaker 2: There is much more of a foundation from where they
Speaker 2: were last year. That doesn't mean it's gonna be great,
Speaker 2: but I just think you're gonna be able to build
Speaker 2: more continuity and in that continuity, even if it's not
Speaker 2: the best group. What was it How many games was
Speaker 2: it last year before they used the same offensive line
Speaker 2: back to back games? It was deep into the season
Speaker 2: like that. You know, injuries or injuries, but just in
Speaker 2: terms of swapping guys in and out, that shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a problem last year, And you can raise the level
Speaker 2: of the group, even if individually you know you don't
Speaker 2: have five great players across. If you get guys that
Speaker 2: are consistently out there working together, starting in camp and
Speaker 2: going through the season, that can make the group better.
Speaker 2: I know Kegan Steve Stifle from Steve wil firmness and
Speaker 2: has it, so I'll find the oh this stat yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Well, he was charting it every week last year. It's
Speaker 1: a good point that with continuity and hopefully the same
Speaker 1: set of five guys and see it through the same
Speaker 1: set of eyes and all that that good stuff, that
Speaker 1: the talent level could be better than. Was that saying
Speaker 1: that the whole could be better than the some of
Speaker 1: the park, better than the sum of their part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that there's that potential. I always look at it
Speaker 1: from a defensive perspective though, and when you talk about
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you're always looking for like where's the
Speaker 1: weak link that we can attack? And even teams that
Speaker 1: have great offensive lines, it's always about almost like who's
Speaker 1: your weakest link and how bad is that guy? Right?
Speaker 1: Because if it's a if that player is below replacement
Speaker 1: level and you're going out there Week one against the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders and they have Max Crosby, all the
Speaker 1: Raiders are gonna do is line up Max Crosby over
Speaker 1: your weakest link and they're just gonna have him rush
Speaker 1: twenty times over your weakest link on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna expose that. So the good news is
Speaker 1: for the offensive line, they have bodies. I'm not concerned about.
Speaker 1: They just don't have anybody to play here.
Speaker 2: So Week ten was Week ten was the first time
Speaker 2: they used to repeat line last year, but it was
Speaker 2: eight to ten. They didn't use it back to back weeks.
Speaker 2: Week ten and eleven was the first time they used
Speaker 2: the same offensive line and back to back weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds the Darian Lowe, Michael Jordan, Ben Brown, Mike
Speaker 2: oh and Winnho Demntro Jacobs. Yeah, we're better. They're beyond that, honestly.
Speaker 2: How many Well, Michael Jordan's obviously not here anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a real chance only one of those five guys
Speaker 2: is on the team this year. Michael went who's gonna
Speaker 2: make team obviously, right, Ben Brown I think is right
Speaker 2: on the bubble. Jacob's and low like they they brought
Speaker 2: in backup tackles to compete too.
Speaker 1: So there's a chance that one of those five guys
Speaker 1: is on the team this year. They're in much better
Speaker 1: shape than that. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Now.
Speaker 1: The other thing is we've talked about in the past.
Speaker 1: You can cover up one hole on the offensive line
Speaker 1: if you have one week link. There's ways to cover
Speaker 1: it up. It's honestly probably easier to do it on
Speaker 1: the interior than it is at tackle. Yes, because you
Speaker 1: can use the center. You know that you can put
Speaker 1: him in the slide side and not the man's side,
Speaker 1: and that way there they have somebody coming over, you know.
Speaker 1: So usually with protections you have three man slide side
Speaker 1: and then the backside is man to man. So those
Speaker 1: two guys on the backside are man to man. So
Speaker 1: if you have to put Morgan, Moses and Mike Onwenu
Speaker 1: one on one for a little while and then kind
Speaker 1: of have the left side be the slide side, now
Speaker 1: you can't be that predictable. You have to change it
Speaker 1: up and the defense. The front also dictates like where
Speaker 1: you're sliding and where you're man to mand and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But in general, if that's like
Speaker 1: the rule of thumb, then they can cover up for
Speaker 1: a left guard that isn't the best. They can cover
Speaker 1: up for a center, you know, Garrett Bradbury that has
Speaker 1: some limitations because of his size and his play strength
Speaker 1: and things like that in the past game. So you
Speaker 1: can cover up stuff like that. It's doable. I just
Speaker 1: it's another area of the team that I still think
Speaker 1: that they're They're maybe one year away from truly fixing it.
Speaker 1: They made strides this offseason, but now there's other holes
Speaker 1: that have presented themselves and things like that. Andrews gets
Speaker 1: cut and retires. You know, left guard hasn't really gone
Speaker 1: the way that they necessarily plan. Now. The two guys
Speaker 1: at left guard, I want to mention before we move on,
Speaker 1: Cayden Wallace, who saw some reps at left guard during
Speaker 1: Mini camp, which I don't think is a small thing.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually something we should focus on because
Speaker 1: coming out of college at Penn State, there were a
Speaker 1: group of people in the scouting community and in the
Speaker 1: media who felt like he was a guard in the
Speaker 1: NFL and not a tackle. He was one of those
Speaker 1: tackle to guard converts types of guys. So we see
Speaker 1: this a lot in college left and right tackles. They
Speaker 1: just don't have the foot speed, or they don't have
Speaker 1: the length, or they don't have something to play tackle
Speaker 1: in the NFL, so they move him inside the guard
Speaker 1: and they're pretty good guard. So I do think Kidd
Speaker 1: and Wallace could be a pretty good guard. So maybe
Speaker 1: he's a left guard. And I'm still holding out hope.
Speaker 1: We didn't see him much this spring. He's limited with something,
Speaker 1: but I still believe that Jared Wilson could be heard
Speaker 1: from in this competition as well. Maybe he starts his
Speaker 1: career at left guard instead of center. So those two
Speaker 1: guys are younger guys that maybe have a little bit
Speaker 1: more upside or unknown compared to Cole Strange, which I
Speaker 1: think we kind of know what he is at this point,
Speaker 1: So maybe those two could eventually push Cole Strange. I
Speaker 1: have no idea, you know, it's just a spring. No
Speaker 1: clue what's going on with Leyden Robinson doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: he's someone that's right now at least in the plan.
Speaker 1: And then Cities is still kicking around too. He's still
Speaker 1: around and could be in that Jack Connelly and there
Speaker 1: tim Jack Conley is a good one too, I mean
Speaker 1: because he can you know, maybe not as a starter ultimately,
Speaker 1: but like he can play four positions. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: got tremendous size, and I think that value probably helps
Speaker 1: him push for a roster spot.
Speaker 2: And then if he's doing that, you know, again that
Speaker 2: left guard competition's wide open, maybe he kind of sneaks
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: So the other thing on offense, you know, offensive line
Speaker 1: is the biggest small sea concern right now for me,
Speaker 1: because if you give McDaniels a functional offensive line and
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, they have enough weapons that I feel
Speaker 1: like he can mix it up and he can figure
Speaker 1: it out schematically. It gives you almost like a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one vibe at that point, with maybe even a
Speaker 1: better quarterback, so you might even be better than you
Speaker 1: were in twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one that the
Speaker 1: skill positions were fine, but they weren't anything special. You know,
Speaker 1: is Nelson agil or, Kendrick Bourne, Jacobe Myers, Henry Ormandre
Speaker 1: still right. It wasn't like it. They were the seven Patriots,
Speaker 1: like they had some guys, but it wasn't great. So
Speaker 1: they were a good offense to you know, above average
Speaker 1: offense that year. I don't see why they couldn't be
Speaker 1: this year if they have the line play and the
Speaker 1: quarterback play. The outside receiver spot still also feels like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a small sea concern. They played
Speaker 1: a lot of packages this week and in the spring
Speaker 1: in general. It's a lot of Kishan Boodie, who I
Speaker 1: like as a player. He's a fine player. But every
Speaker 1: team is going to know they're gonna want to funnel
Speaker 1: the ball through the middle of the field. Pop Douglass
Speaker 1: caught like a million passes over the last two days.
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is going to be a big part of
Speaker 1: the Stefan Diggs when he's healthy, is going to be
Speaker 1: a big part of the things. And all those guys
Speaker 1: feature or you know, I would assume are going to
Speaker 1: be in those McDaniels, you know, slot receiver, tight end
Speaker 1: over the middle, like that kind of role. So what
Speaker 1: do they do They have anything on the outside to
Speaker 1: at least make the defense respect it. Maybe that's Diggs,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Kyle Williams if he can emerge and that I.
Speaker 2: Think they want Kyle Williams as the X. There's also
Speaker 2: Mac Hollins, who we didn't I mean, he was out there.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't in uniform. He's dealing with something who
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably between you know, I almost wonder
Speaker 2: if they want to move booty back to the Z
Speaker 2: where he's the more natural fit and it's Mac Hollins
Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams for the X.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kyle Williams maybe the catch a camp of
Speaker 1: mini camp with the bomb on Monday, right, he catches
Speaker 1: runs right through the middle of his own defense. Looked
Speaker 1: like it was cover two. Linebacker is trying to carry
Speaker 1: him up up the hole, the pole runner, and he
Speaker 1: just ran right by the linebacker and caught about a
Speaker 1: forty five forty four forty five yard bob from Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 1: Not press though, No, there wasn't where he's not contacted. Right,
Speaker 1: yesterday we got into practice and he had a one
Speaker 1: on one on the outside against Christian Gonzales and it,
Speaker 1: you know, second team All Pro did second team All
Speaker 1: Pro things. So I'm not saying like that's not to
Speaker 1: be overly critical of Kyle Williams. He's a rookie third
Speaker 1: round pick going up against a top five to six
Speaker 1: corner in the NFL. He's probably gonna have some ups
Speaker 1: and downs against Christian Gonzales. But can Kyle Williams get
Speaker 1: off press? Can he get off the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: against physical press man coverage? At five ten one ninety.
Speaker 1: He's got a great release package, he's got great quicklins
Speaker 1: off the line, But when guys get into his grill
Speaker 1: and get into his airspace, is he going to be
Speaker 1: able to get off the line of scrimmage in you
Speaker 1: know a good amount of time, right, you know, on time,
Speaker 1: all those types of things. I think that's a question
Speaker 1: mark with him. I feel like they're gonna always, like
Speaker 1: with McDaniels, and I want to get into some of
Speaker 1: the McDaniels stuff, They're always going to have that middle
Speaker 1: of the field option. I just feel like he's always
Speaker 1: going to find a way to get slot receivers and
Speaker 1: tight ends and running backs the ball. Are they going
Speaker 1: to have enough on the outside? It would be the
Speaker 1: other thing to me when we're talking about the ceiling
Speaker 1: of this offense and how far they really could go.
Speaker 1: I like Keishawan Boodie, like I said, it still feels
Speaker 1: like they're begging for more there though a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe again maybe it's just the fact
Speaker 1: that Digs isn't in team drills, right, I think that's
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, So maybe that and mac collins,
Speaker 1: Like I think those are two guys that are going
Speaker 1: to be involved that we didn't get to see how
Speaker 1: they're going to be using. Yeah, okay, so Kampleman sandwich.
Speaker 1: Those are my small sea concerns on offense. The other
Speaker 1: positive I want to talk about on offense is just
Speaker 1: some of the things that we saw already from McDaniels
Speaker 1: and the different things that they're going to incorporate within
Speaker 1: this offense. I'm mostly really excited about. I think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Honestly from what I saw
Speaker 1: out of this offense or some of the old McDaniel staples.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, the quick game and
Speaker 1: the shotgun package in the way they call the offense
Speaker 1: from the shotgun for the most part, is gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty much you're everyone's gonna kind of recognize it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna understand what you're watching. There's maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of West Coast flavor going in there from under center.
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. Uh, And I still feel like
Speaker 1: there's a dimension that maybe we'll see what Drake may
Speaker 1: as a runner, you know, those types of things. It's
Speaker 1: it's really what I wanted them to do. For the
Speaker 1: most part, I really thought that what he showed at
Speaker 1: least in mini camp and granted, you know, these are
Speaker 1: base plays and we have a long way to go,
Speaker 1: but it's encouraging. The other thing I wanted to point
Speaker 1: out was there's a lot of stuff going on in
Speaker 1: the backfield, like with running backs and stuff. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be it's gonna be a big running back here.
Speaker 1: There's a chance that we're pony expressing, you know, going
Speaker 1: back to the sm days, right, Like, there's a chance
Speaker 1: that that's happening. Oh wait, that's not why they're called
Speaker 1: the pony express. Yeah, it is Craig James and Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 2: Right, but not because of the formation. It's because they're
Speaker 2: the Mustangs. No, is that what the pony is? That
Speaker 2: why that sets called pony? Yes, I didn't actually know that.
Speaker 1: I like, I like what I teach you something like that,
Speaker 1: I feel did I feel like that's normally the other
Speaker 1: way around?
Speaker 2: I figured, Well, I figured that term existed before nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that's why they
Speaker 1: call it pony pony package anyways. Interesting, So I think
Speaker 1: we could see some of that, and you could see
Speaker 1: the complimentary skill sets because reminder Stevenson is that power back,
Speaker 1: bigger back, and then they have these speedbacks with Antonio
Speaker 1: Gibson and Trayvon Henderson especially that they compliment each other
Speaker 1: really well and there's some different things they can do.
Speaker 1: There's obviously a brock Lampy element to this as well,
Speaker 1: a full back element that I think is going to
Speaker 1: be there too, and in this offense. So there's there
Speaker 1: was a lot going on in the batfield, like they
Speaker 1: have different formations, different looks, you know, different personnel groupings.
Speaker 1: It was it was interesting. I don't know what all
Speaker 1: of it, if all of it will right right, This
Speaker 1: might be let's just throw as much as we see
Speaker 1: what yeh, try see what we can do. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: what works. But there was a lot of that going
Speaker 1: on as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's this is what we talked about when
Speaker 2: they hired McDaniels, was it's going to be there's a
Speaker 2: big variation. Seeing the Josh McDaniels offense doesn't really mean
Speaker 2: anything because there are so many different iterations of it
Speaker 2: and he looks like he's really empty the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's so that's my compliment, Sandwich. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about a bunch of other things from
Speaker 1: uh mini camp as well, So keep it going here
Speaker 1: and then we'll take your calls and emails. See the emails.
Speaker 1: I see the calls. We'll get to those in a
Speaker 1: few minutes, I promise. But the other big talking pointer
Speaker 1: storyline that we got to touch on coming out of
Speaker 1: mini campus Stefon Diggs and seeing Steffan Diggs really for
Speaker 1: the first time. We saw him at that ot A
Speaker 1: right last week. So we've seen three practices now Stefon Diggs,
Speaker 1: and I'm just talking about the football. He didn't do
Speaker 1: any team drills yet and he's still not cleared for
Speaker 1: He did like some team walked through, not any fold.
Speaker 1: So I like to see that because that tells me
Speaker 1: that they think it could be early, sooner rather than
Speaker 1: later once we get the training camp. So they want
Speaker 1: to make sure he's on the same wavelength in terms
Speaker 1: of learning everything as everybody else. So that's a good side.
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, even though his routes are against air,
Speaker 1: when he was turning it on on some of those routes,
Speaker 1: I think Mark Daniels posted a video of him kind
Speaker 1: of opening it up in some routes against air type stuff,
Speaker 1: and he looks great. I mean his leg, the injured
Speaker 1: leg is clearly smaller than the healthy legs. Still, he
Speaker 1: still got to add some like muscle mass back to
Speaker 1: that leg. But the twitchiness and the explosiveness look like
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs to me, like he looked really good moving
Speaker 1: out there, especially relative to how close he He just
Speaker 1: tores acl in October, and he looks miles ahead of
Speaker 1: other guys that we've seen in this position. So he
Speaker 1: said his goal was to be ready for week one.
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling it out. I think there's a real
Speaker 1: possibility that he's ready for week one based off of
Speaker 1: what we've seen.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, he's not one hundred percent yet, but he's
Speaker 2: got what three months, right, yeah, to get there, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't seem very far away. So I yeah, he
Speaker 2: looks like a guy that could play week one certainly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was good. He talked yesterday for the
Speaker 1: first time as well since for the in the spring,
Speaker 1: since his introductory press conference goals to be ready week one.
Speaker 1: I thought the other thing that stood out besides all
Speaker 1: the other stuff, was the fact that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of overlap for him and from Brian Dable which I
Speaker 1: think you probably could have guessed. But right that helps,
Speaker 1: It definitely helps. He said, there's some of the terminology
Speaker 1: is slightly different, but for the most part the concepts
Speaker 1: are the same. So they might call it something different
Speaker 1: here than Brian Dable called it, but he's still running
Speaker 1: the same rout. It's still those same mechanics of the row.
Speaker 1: Whether there's an adjustment or there's a sight adjuster, or
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, it's all the same. So
Speaker 1: that's good. I think he'll pick it up quickly. Looked
Speaker 1: good out there. That could be the missing ingredient. Maybe
Speaker 1: that would make me feel better, the whole outside receiver
Speaker 1: thing that I was talking about earlier. So that's the fun.
Speaker 1: Diggs the other there's one other thing on offense that
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up. Oh yeah, there's some scuttle butt,
Speaker 1: some talk about Pop Douglas and where does he fit
Speaker 1: into this whole equation fits I'll tell you that he
Speaker 1: could he get eftin Chisholmed and you know, could he
Speaker 1: be a surprise cut candidate if you will, like all
Speaker 1: those you know, talk radio things that we do. That's
Speaker 1: not happening. I don't think that's happening. I think that
Speaker 1: that is we basically ruled that out this week in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Now he is a jitterbug slot receiver in
Speaker 1: non padded practices, so he should look great. This is
Speaker 1: this is his time to shine like this is basically
Speaker 1: glorified flag football. He should be a stud in these
Speaker 1: types of practices. But to his credit, he was awesome
Speaker 1: for two straight.
Speaker 2: Down And we've seen him, We've seen it translate when
Speaker 2: the pads come on before, so it's not like we
Speaker 2: have nothing to go off of. He looked exactly at
Speaker 2: home and the mcdan slot receiver role, all those slot routes,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that really impressed me watching
Speaker 2: him run routes this week was how well he was
Speaker 2: adjusting the route based off the coverage. And you know,
Speaker 2: all those those routes on the inside have a bunch
Speaker 2: of options on them, and you're.
Speaker 1: Reading leverage, you're reading man zone. You know, too high,
Speaker 1: you're sitting here one high, he might be sitting someplace else.
Speaker 1: You're breaking away from man. You're reading leverage. So if
Speaker 1: the defender is outside of you, you're breaking inside. If
Speaker 1: he's inside, you're breaking outside. Like all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and he was doing all of it pretty seamlessly, and
Speaker 1: they were finding matchups for him. He's getting on linebackers
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. In the middle field. It looked
Speaker 1: like Edelman, Welker, Troy Brown, Dion Branch like. It looked
Speaker 1: like all those types of guys doing it at a
Speaker 1: really high level. He was open for two straight days
Speaker 1: pretty much all the time, and that was really good
Speaker 1: to see. I pot Douglas is a lock on this team. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: he always was, but I'm not wrong to say that
Speaker 1: there were people that were people sitting that those people
Speaker 1: were wrong. Yeah, okay, I'm glad with his stat much that.
Speaker 1: So those are my offens thing. Is there anything I missed?
Speaker 1: I tried to jot these all down and make sure
Speaker 1: we got to everything. Josh Dobbs had a couple of
Speaker 1: nice throws. Josh Dobbs can. Josh Dobbs is a classic
Speaker 1: veteran backup. In Mini camp, like Brian Hoyer was the same.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, he's no like Training Camp Brian
Speaker 2: Hoyer was MVP one of the most fun things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. Yeah, training Camp Brian Hoyer stands alone. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Dobbs definitely has some of that where he'll he'll go
Speaker 2: out there and sling and he hit.
Speaker 1: He had the deep throw to to Kyle Williams, yep,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: He had one yesterday. It wasn't deep, but he'd fit
Speaker 2: the ball in like a really tight window.
Speaker 1: That again, you're probably not testing, but he's testing it
Speaker 1: because it's it's practice and he knows his role and
Speaker 1: looked fair. I thought, I thought, you know, he had
Speaker 1: had a couple bad picks as well, but I thought,
Speaker 1: there's he's got more live than arm than maybe I
Speaker 1: thought he. It's always the guys like Josh Dobbs who
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a time in the league
Speaker 1: and a little bit of confidence and also just like
Speaker 1: they don't give an f Like if Josh Dobbs was
Speaker 1: a pick in this practice, does he care, No, he
Speaker 1: doesn't care. Like he cares, but like it's not like
Speaker 1: no pressure on Josh Dobbs to avoid turnovers and things
Speaker 1: like that. So a lot of these veteran backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in these practice they just rip it. They just rip it.
Speaker 1: And all of them can throw like they're all NFL quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: so they all have, you know, good arms, and they
Speaker 1: can all put it there and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: especially when it's you know, glorified seven on seven and
Speaker 1: there's really no live pass rush.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he did make some good None of them
Speaker 2: rip it like Brian hoyre No, he come out with
Speaker 2: the dark visor and just Brian Hoyer and I say,
Speaker 2: practice squad, not practice squad.
Speaker 1: Training camp. Brian Hoyer was me playing Matt. I say
Speaker 1: this a little bit tongue in cheek, like training camp.
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer what like had some moments that were like
Speaker 1: Brady esque, right, Like obviously Brady was Brady, but like
Speaker 1: there were times where Brian Hoyer would make just as
Speaker 1: good of a throw, like you were just like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was an absolute dime. Now Brady would make that
Speaker 1: throw like ten times in a row, and that was
Speaker 1: the difference. But like, yeah, Brian Hoyer is definitely all
Speaker 1: training camp team. Josh Dobbs might be close. Josh Oobs.
Speaker 1: Guy has some moments. He can put the ball, He
Speaker 1: can put the ball on guys. Yeah, he can absolutely good.
Speaker 1: Point oh really quickly. Also, before we move on to
Speaker 1: the defensive side, running back, running back's interesting Trayvon Henderson
Speaker 1: and Antonio Gibson feel redundant. Now there's still a role
Speaker 1: for both those guys, right, that's not necessarily a bad
Speaker 1: thing because they need to carry at least three. But
Speaker 1: I was playing around with the roster projection. I know
Speaker 1: you're playing around with the roster projection as well. Between Gibson, Henderson, Larison, Like,
Speaker 1: those three guys are probably the most likely. Obviously Henderson's
Speaker 1: going to be on the team, but those three guys
Speaker 1: behind Ramandre Stevenson, those four are really what we're talking
Speaker 1: about at running back. Those three Gibson, Henderson, Larison kind
Speaker 1: of are very redundant, very you know, similar to each other.
Speaker 1: Do they have room for all three of those because
Speaker 1: when I was doing the rows for projection, I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if they needed to carry four.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's a guarantee that they
Speaker 2: keep all of them, but I certainly think they have room.
Speaker 2: Especially you know, if you keep a guy like Marcus
Speaker 2: Bryant or Jack Conley or King Wallas can play some
Speaker 2: guard like that saves you an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: How many safeties are they really gonna keep? Maybe we
Speaker 1: didn't really get to tight ends.
Speaker 2: I'll use this as an excuse to talk about tight ends,
Speaker 2: they may only keep two tight ends right away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because nobody from that third tight end group emerged this spring.
Speaker 2: And look, there's still ways to go, but just just
Speaker 2: looking at it, if you know, between CJ.
Speaker 1: DePree, jahem Bell, G.
Speaker 2: Scott, and Jack Westover and I think all like west
Speaker 2: Over got a lot of run. I'm not rolling any
Speaker 2: of those guys out, but none of them really had
Speaker 2: any moments in the spring. You can get You're probably
Speaker 2: not gonna keep all four on the practice squad. You
Speaker 2: can get two of those guys to practice squad, maybe three,
Speaker 2: and you can just elevate as you need and eventually
Speaker 2: a roster spot will open up. So never really gonna
Speaker 2: keep two tight ends to start fourth running back makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: When when I looked at tight end, I did feel
Speaker 1: fel the same way. Do you need to keep all
Speaker 1: those guys on the roster There are so many with
Speaker 1: all the new rules, with the practice squad, with the
Speaker 1: elevations and all that stuff. If you really feel like
Speaker 1: you need a third tight end on game day, it's
Speaker 1: pretty easy to just elevate that plan right now from
Speaker 1: the practice squad for the short term and then there's
Speaker 1: all Unfortunately, there's always injuries and ir stints and things
Speaker 1: like that that open up roster spots if you feel
Speaker 1: like you run out of elevations and you need to
Speaker 1: put that guy on the fifty three man roster. So
Speaker 1: there's definitely ways to go with that. But I agree,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like any of those tight ends really
Speaker 1: separated themselves where if you're gonna be the third tight
Speaker 1: end on this team, you're gonna have to earn that role.
Speaker 1: It's not like just a we need to have three
Speaker 1: tight ends, so we're just gonna put this guy on
Speaker 1: the team. You're gonna have to earn it, especially with
Speaker 1: the flexibility from the practice squad. Now, I'll give my
Speaker 1: guy a CG dupre training camp because he's a pads
Speaker 1: on guy, he's a blocker, he's an inline tight end.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this time year is really c
Speaker 1: G dupreeze time to shine. Probably not. But I didn't
Speaker 1: think any one of those guys stood out either. So
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, you know, Henry Hooper
Speaker 1: definitely on the team at tight end, and then Brock
Speaker 1: Lampy if they want to have a full back package.
Speaker 1: There's only one full back on this team right now,
Speaker 1: and that's what it felt like. I compared it the
Speaker 1: other day to in lacrosse in high school when I
Speaker 1: was on JV. We only had one goalie, so there
Speaker 1: was no debate about who was going to be the
Speaker 1: starting goalie. There's no competition because we only had one goalie.
Speaker 1: So every single time they called the full back on
Speaker 1: the field, there was only one guy on the ninety
Speaker 1: man roster that was running on the field and it
Speaker 1: was Brock Lampy. So you know, maybe that's the way
Speaker 1: they go there with the tight ends and running backs.
Speaker 1: It's a numbers game there as well. So moving over
Speaker 1: to the defense, My biggest takeaway on defense from this
Speaker 1: camp in this spring the health of Christian Barmore, and
Speaker 1: in a good way. Christian Barmore looks like he's in
Speaker 1: great shape. He looks like he's a you know, he
Speaker 1: told us that green light, full go. He's got no
Speaker 1: limitations whatsoever if they have twenty twenty three. Christian Barmore
Speaker 1: not even thinking about Oh, him next to Milton Williams
Speaker 1: and him next to Keyon White, like just Christian Barmore
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Going back to twenty twenty three form
Speaker 1: is absolutely huge for this team. Not that I doubted
Speaker 1: that he was going to be a full go, but
Speaker 1: you still were a little bit wary with what happened,
Speaker 1: you know, with the blood clots last year. That's not
Speaker 1: a no joking matter, that's a very serious thing. But
Speaker 1: it was great to see him and he looks like
Speaker 1: he's in great shape, you know, running all around the field,
Speaker 1: chasing down plays, getting in the backfield of course, like
Speaker 1: we know he can. So that's a huge development. And
Speaker 1: the two of those guys, him and Milton Williams were
Speaker 1: attached to the hit the entire spring. Like those guys
Speaker 1: were the two interior starting defensive tackles from wire to
Speaker 1: wire this spring, and they would run on the field
Speaker 1: together and they run off the field together. They're becoming friends,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But it was great to see Barmore as
Speaker 1: a full go. TH's he looks like his old self,
Speaker 1: which is great development.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no ramp up, there was no I mean,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know just watching Praudice that this was a
Speaker 2: guy that went through a major medical issue last year.
Speaker 2: So that that was my big takeaway too. Well, that
Speaker 2: was one of two I had on defense. He looks good,
Speaker 2: he looks healthy, he looks ready to go.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your other one is, but my
Speaker 1: next one was the best player on the field for
Speaker 1: the spring, Christian Zalez easily the best player on the
Speaker 1: team throughout the entire spring. That's not surprising. He was
Speaker 1: a second team All Pro last year. He is the
Speaker 1: best player on the team. Yeah, until maybe Drake May
Speaker 1: takes that next step, he's going to be the best
Speaker 1: player on the team. And he's he just looked, I
Speaker 1: would say, almost even better than he did last year.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that he's added maybe to his
Speaker 1: game is he's making a lot more plays on the
Speaker 1: ball now. Maybe that's just because he was being tested
Speaker 1: more because Drake May said he wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: test him and he didn't want to let him off
Speaker 1: the hook by not throwing his way and things like that.
Speaker 1: But he had two picks on that practice that Drake
Speaker 1: May had a couple of picks to start this spring. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: we actually posted it on Twitter on Patriots Twitter handle.
Speaker 1: Just a beautiful over the shoulder one handed to interception
Speaker 1: staying over the top of a go route by Kyle
Speaker 1: Williams he just looks like he's maybe is sending to
Speaker 1: from second team to first team All Pro.
Speaker 2: I was saying this yesterday on Patriots Beat, like the
Speaker 2: next step, Like he's already in the conversation of is
Speaker 2: he one of the best corners in the league?
Speaker 1: Is he a top five corner in the league?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Which I think he is, But you know, people have
Speaker 2: that conversation, So what's the step up from that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Is he the best corner in the league? And is
Speaker 2: he like if he takes that step, holy cow? Right,
Speaker 2: and that's it, sir Tan right now, right? I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a hot take. How big is the gap
Speaker 2: between him and Sirtan or at least based off last year,
Speaker 2: how big is the was the gap between him and Sirtan?
Speaker 2: And do you think he can close that? I've said
Speaker 2: this before.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you want to answer that,
Speaker 1: but it's fun because they're similar players, Yeah, and they've
Speaker 1: Christian Zalez has talked about Patrick Surtan being sort of
Speaker 1: an idol or like an example for him that a
Speaker 1: guy he's studied and a guy he's followed his career,
Speaker 1: So they really play a lot of the same way,
Speaker 1: you know, they're both man coverage guys. They're both guys
Speaker 1: that can travel and and just take out your best player,
Speaker 1: your best receiver. So I'd probably give the experience in
Speaker 1: the edge a little bit to start tam. But the
Speaker 1: only thing that I felt like was missing from Christian
Speaker 1: Zalez's game, and it wasn't like a huge criticism or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but could you make some more picks,
Speaker 1: you know, more players, more plays of the ball. So
Speaker 1: that's that's what I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2: Is you mentioned, you know, is he getting more plays
Speaker 2: on the ball in the springs, is getting testimony. I
Speaker 2: think that's part of it, certainly, But I think the
Speaker 2: other thing is there really was no need to throw
Speaker 2: near him last Yeah, and now you get Carlton Davis
Speaker 2: on the other side, Marcus Jones fully healthy, ideally in
Speaker 2: the slot, Kyle Duggars, Brill.
Speaker 1: Pepper's fully healthy.
Speaker 2: By the way, Craig Woodson looks really good in coverage too,
Speaker 2: really goodn't coverage specifically, So there's gonna be more times
Speaker 2: where teams are gonna have to throw in his direction
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna want to test these other guys.
Speaker 2: So I think he will have an opportunity to make
Speaker 2: more plays on the ball this year.
Speaker 1: It certainly showed out this spring, and it was around
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. You look at his box scores,
Speaker 1: you know, from a charting perspective last year, like there
Speaker 1: are games where he's targeted once, targeted three times, you know,
Speaker 1: two times. I think the one gam where he's targeted
Speaker 1: a bunch was that Cardinals game with Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 1: and he locked them down. So you look at those
Speaker 1: types of games and it's like, well, he just doesn't
Speaker 1: have the opportunities, so he may picks on the ball
Speaker 1: like they're just if you're only getting targeted once or
Speaker 1: twice a game, you're just not it's not gonna have
Speaker 1: a ton of people, Matt.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember this wasn't he like one of
Speaker 2: the most targeted corners in football last year and people
Speaker 2: are like, why is he being targeted so much? But
Speaker 2: he'd like the lowest.
Speaker 1: Uh, he might have been targeted a lot because they
Speaker 1: played a ton of man, you know.
Speaker 2: Eighty four he was the twenty third most targeted, but
Speaker 2: among qualified corners completion percentage, I don't think I think
Speaker 2: it was really.
Speaker 1: Low top ten. I would I would guess like tenth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tied for ninth, fifty four point eight. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't mind if his targets are high, target them all
Speaker 1: you want. I don't care if he's not allowing completions. Great, yeah,
Speaker 1: awesome when you have the number when you play a
Speaker 1: lot of man coverage and you're man to man on
Speaker 1: the number one guy, they're not gonna just not throw
Speaker 1: to their number one receiver. It doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 1: You have to be really that's that's prime Revus right
Speaker 1: right right, But or you played Cincinnati week one, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna just not throw the ball to Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna try to throw it to him, even
Speaker 1: if Gonzo's on him, right, But it's yeah, no, that's Revas.
Speaker 1: Was that guy?
Speaker 2: Or remember when teams just didn't throw it non the
Speaker 2: Osma off for like two years off reputation, and then
Speaker 2: one year they're like, hey, maybe we should throw at
Speaker 2: this guy again and see and then it turned out
Speaker 2: he didn't have any more. So, yeah, gonzalso's twenty third
Speaker 2: in targets and he was thirty sixth in catches.
Speaker 1: Eleve it's a fun uh, it was a fun new
Speaker 1: answered by Drake may And and a good point by
Speaker 1: him of he's gonna see some targets in the season.
Speaker 1: So if I'm just afraid to throw it to his
Speaker 1: side of the field all of training camp, I'm not
Speaker 1: helping him get back, and it doesn't help me get
Speaker 1: better because he's going to be great coverage and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to put the ball on a platter for
Speaker 1: my guy. And so it's, you know, that whole iron
Speaker 1: sharp and iron thing. And it's good that those two
Speaker 1: are going back and forth a little bit. So Barmore
Speaker 1: and Gonzo Arrow up looking good on the both those guys.
Speaker 1: The other item I wrote down here not quite compliment
Speaker 1: sandwich style on the defense, but similar the third down
Speaker 1: pass rush. I think we saw a little bit more
Speaker 1: of what they have in store for it over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days they were in third down a
Speaker 1: little bit more, it felt like. So I do think
Speaker 1: that they're going to get into some of those you know,
Speaker 1: five man like mug looks and things like that a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Uh. You know, they did a lot
Speaker 1: of overload in Tennessee where they would still be in
Speaker 1: a four down line, but they have three guys to
Speaker 1: one side of the center and overload that side, and
Speaker 1: then you're gaming and picking guys and stunting and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff to get guys free. But maybe you know,
Speaker 1: they have a little bit more of a blitz package
Speaker 1: that we saw yesterday especially. I would say they kind
Speaker 1: of turned it up a little bit after the offense
Speaker 1: had a good day on Monday, Rabel said, pre practice,
Speaker 1: they did a lot of three man rush from the
Speaker 1: red zone. He'll drop eight in the red zone and
Speaker 1: Drake May was just kind of standing there with all day.
Speaker 1: So yesterday they did the opposite, the kind of came
Speaker 1: after him and the defense got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a leg up there. I look at you know, Bar Moore,
Speaker 1: Milton Williams gonna be on the field as much as possible,
Speaker 1: especially on third down. I do think on White's getting
Speaker 1: into that conversation too. Is being a regular on all
Speaker 1: three downs. They're moving him around though he's not playing
Speaker 1: the same position. Yeah, I've been handing the dirt mostly,
Speaker 1: I just write, but he's playing inside, he's playing outside.
Speaker 1: I think he's their chest piece. Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: the guy they're gonna hnt matchups with X factor. To me,
Speaker 1: like a big time X factor if he takes that
Speaker 1: next step in this scheme, which is more aggressive and
Speaker 1: more gaming and more to his skill set right worried
Speaker 1: about rush lane integrity and holding the edge and all
Speaker 1: that stuff that they did in the old system. If
Speaker 1: he is just allowed to just tee off, I think
Speaker 1: he could have a really a good year in that role. Now,
Speaker 1: when they get into third down, how are they one
Speaker 1: of their personnel around those guys gonna look like? Is
Speaker 1: Harold Landry gonna be a three down player for this team?
Speaker 1: Is that going to be Chaseon That's gonna merk? He
Speaker 1: got a lot of run? Is there a chance still?
Speaker 1: We didn't see it necessarily in the spring, but like
Speaker 1: a Brandon Swinson or an Elijah Ponder or someone that
Speaker 1: they just drafted, uh coming and breaking out into like
Speaker 1: a third down pass rusher role, you know that Joshua
Speaker 1: a type of role. I think it's probably Chason right
Speaker 1: now that they have in mind at least for this year.
Speaker 1: We'll see maybe if Swinson can take over that eventually.
Speaker 1: But the edge rush is still something that I would
Speaker 1: say somewhat unknown. Like the interior pressure. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's going to be really good and maybe that's enough
Speaker 1: that they can just flush the quarterback one way and
Speaker 1: Landry or a chaseon just to clean up sacks. And
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean you have to win your one
Speaker 1: on one as that guy. You just kind of have
Speaker 1: to be there and be ready. But do you feel
Speaker 1: any concern at all about pass rush off the edge
Speaker 1: in particular? I think Williams and Barnware and are gonna
Speaker 1: get after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like I said about the offensive line,
Speaker 2: like it's better. That doesn't mean they're where they need
Speaker 2: to be. It's more about how far away they were
Speaker 2: last year. Ye Chazon's gonna play a role. He was
Speaker 2: very involved. We didn't see a ton of Braden Swinson,
Speaker 2: but that's another guy I'll be interested to see more
Speaker 2: when the Pats come on.
Speaker 1: I hope they find a role for Anthony Jennings. I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 2: He didn't really have much of one in the spring,
Speaker 2: and it is kind of square peg round hole with
Speaker 2: this defense with him. We've talked about this, like, I
Speaker 2: just think he can play. But they have and did
Speaker 2: I mention Landry like and they have Langer so like
Speaker 2: they have guys that can compete there. I don't know
Speaker 2: that they have. Like we've talked about them getting that
Speaker 2: coverage dictating wide receiver for so long. That same kind
Speaker 2: of concept exists on defense, and you know, you might say, well,
Speaker 2: Christian Barber, Milton Williams, those guys can dictate blocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they can, and that's not nothing.
Speaker 2: But that's sort of like you know, a tight end
Speaker 2: being your coverage dictating wide receiver where it's gonna make
Speaker 2: a difference, like it's a factor, but it's not that
Speaker 2: there are more ways to counter that versus if it's
Speaker 2: a guy on the edge. It's a lot harder to
Speaker 2: double a guy on the edge versus guy in the middle.
Speaker 1: It's a lot eaer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like sliding protections and things like that. So
Speaker 2: there's still that like premiere pass rusher away. But the
Speaker 2: players they.
Speaker 1: Have there aren't bad.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that they have that guy that is,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't have their Matthew Judon.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of that with this roster right now.
Speaker 1: And I don't yeah, in a better way than it
Speaker 1: sounds because unlike Lash, you're like you're bringing up earlier
Speaker 1: with the tackles where we didn't know who their starting
Speaker 1: tackles were and that was not good this year. You know,
Speaker 1: I would say twenty of twenty two starters or twenty one.
Speaker 1: Like really, left guard is the only spot that I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure who's starting right now at that spot.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could make that case for X receiver that's
Speaker 1: sort of still up in the air. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I pretty much know who's starting everywhere on this team
Speaker 1: right now. It feels like now for the most part,
Speaker 1: they're like starting caliber players. Right The question is is
Speaker 1: are they starting caliber players or are they really like
Speaker 1: elite players, you know, maybe they're still missing some of that,
Speaker 1: you know, edge rusher. I think it's one spot outside
Speaker 1: receivers another spot where they could probably use still a
Speaker 1: talent upgrade there.
Speaker 2: I think those are the two, and I mean, we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens in right tackle, but I think going
Speaker 2: into when we start doing the draft, those are the
Speaker 2: two spots we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is just depth, and that
Speaker 1: was the next thing I wanted to talk about. Defensive
Speaker 1: line depth, inside linebacker depth. Those are two spots that
Speaker 1: I look at with this team that until we get
Speaker 1: into the real meata training camp and we see some
Speaker 1: of those guys. Now, I thought that there were some flashes,
Speaker 1: you know, Joshua Farmer, I thought flashed a couple of times,
Speaker 1: especially with getting hands and passing lanes and things like that,
Speaker 1: made a couple of bad passes down in the spring.
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw from Jack Gibbons a
Speaker 1: couple of times. You pointed out a coverage rep he
Speaker 1: had yesterday running with Javon's line five yards down the field.
Speaker 1: But that's impressive, Yeah, with Javon Baker, So maybe he's
Speaker 1: a guy that steps in there. We saw a lot
Speaker 1: of Robert Spulaine and Christian Ellis on the second level.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the the right now the leaders
Speaker 1: you know in the clubhouse to start. Certainly Robert Splaine's
Speaker 1: gonna start. We know that whether it's Ellis or if
Speaker 1: Julna Tevai comes back. You know, obviously to has been
Speaker 1: banged up with that calf, so he wasn't He was there,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't working out, wasn't participating. That that depth
Speaker 1: can be thinned out really quickly. And I think the
Speaker 1: same thing with the offensive line. If Will Campbell knock
Speaker 1: on wood, if Will Campbell has an injury, you know
Speaker 1: you're you're back into trade.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: We talked about this like it wasn't just the starters
Speaker 2: a tackle, they didn't have backups eas.
Speaker 1: Right, So you know that we're still kind of in
Speaker 1: that mode a little bit. But I wanted to focus
Speaker 1: on the linebackers because we get tons of questions about
Speaker 1: depth at insidelnebacker and after Splaine, what really is there.
Speaker 1: They're really seem to be optimistic about Christian Ellis, like
Speaker 1: I think they think he can be a weak side
Speaker 1: linebacker and next to Spallaine, I mentioned Tobai and Gibbons.
Speaker 1: After that, you're probably getting into a little bit of
Speaker 1: great territory of whether those guys are NFL players or not.
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu, So what do you like, linebacker? What do
Speaker 1: you make of all that? Well, his body type certainly
Speaker 1: fits it more in this scheme than it did in
Speaker 1: the other scheme, because you're not in this scheme in
Speaker 1: theory the defensive lines getting up the field. They're occupying
Speaker 1: blockers and they're getting up the field with that, and
Speaker 1: so you're not necessarily taken on guards or polers or
Speaker 1: full backs or whatever in the whole like Juwan Bentley
Speaker 1: Wood or a Dante High, Tower Wood or one of
Speaker 1: those types of guys, so you can be lighter in
Speaker 1: this defense at linebacker. I've always thought he was a linebacker,
Speaker 1: like a modern day NFL linebacker, maybe mostly on third downs,
Speaker 1: but if you can put a linebacker in that spot,
Speaker 1: you know, a safety body type that's playing linebacker like
Speaker 1: a Marte. Mapu just says things that you can do
Speaker 1: in theory, in theory because of the body type and
Speaker 1: the skill set, but things that you can do and
Speaker 1: from a coverage standpoint with that player become a lot more.
Speaker 1: You become a lot more flexible. You just do you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to play some split safety coverage for example,
Speaker 1: like he can run the middle of the field, you know,
Speaker 1: with a faster receiver, with an inside receiver, with a
Speaker 1: pass catching tight end. If you want to put him
Speaker 1: a man to man on a running back coming out
Speaker 1: of the backfield, then he has a little bit more
Speaker 1: coverage upside maybe than a true linebacker like a Tavai would,
Speaker 1: for example, to cover a decent running back coming out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. There's just a little bit more that
Speaker 1: you can do there with him in coverage. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see it in terms of him being like
Speaker 1: a first down, you know, first and second down run player.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will work out, but if
Speaker 1: he's in the third down package and he's playing at
Speaker 1: the second level and the third down package, there could
Speaker 1: be a role there for him. I've always thought that.
Speaker 1: I've always felt like that's where he belonged. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of what do they want with that
Speaker 1: last linebacker spot. Do they want a downhill guy who's
Speaker 1: kind of counter to what they have to give them
Speaker 1: a different look, or do they want more depth for
Speaker 1: the kind of players they have. Because if it's the
Speaker 1: second thing, it's mopoof, it's the first thing it's to buy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point. Tavai and Jennings are sitting out.
Speaker 1: We had Jennings on yesterday. He's a good guy and
Speaker 1: I like Jennings, but both those guys still still kind
Speaker 1: of stand out to me as holdovers from an old defense.
Speaker 1: I don't mean old in age, I just mean old
Speaker 1: the old defense in terms of what they used to do.
Speaker 1: Are these schematic fits and what they're doing now they're
Speaker 1: not bad football players like their NFL players like they
Speaker 1: belong in the league, and everything. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if they belong in this scheme. You know, Anthony Jennings,
Speaker 1: is he a hand in the dirt end?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Probably not. You know, he's a stand up guy, He's
Speaker 1: a set the edge guy. You know, Tavai is in
Speaker 1: that hybrid role that I don't know if that exists
Speaker 1: as much anymore. So those two guys definitely still stand out.
Speaker 1: I could hear it with Tavai two in terms of
Speaker 1: that as well. So you're right, you know, if they
Speaker 1: want to really turn this over at linebacker to just
Speaker 1: all two thirty two, twenty five and under type of linebackers,
Speaker 1: and that's not him, you know, he's not going to
Speaker 1: be on the team.
Speaker 2: But again, I think there's something to be said for
Speaker 2: having a guy that's maybe a little bit different for
Speaker 2: certain situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. Now, the other spot on the defense that
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting is what they were doing in
Speaker 1: the slot. They're they're putting a lot of different guys
Speaker 1: in the slot, a lot of different body types in
Speaker 1: the slot. Some safeties, some big corners, some small corners
Speaker 1: like Marcus Jones, a little bit like Pop Douglas. I
Speaker 1: thought there was a there was some chatter about Marcus
Speaker 1: Jones and does he still fit because of the type
Speaker 1: of slot corner he is. I thought he had a
Speaker 1: really nice spring. I still feel like he's in people's
Speaker 1: hip pockets all the time in coverage. They used him
Speaker 1: outside too, Yeah, as a strap player. So I think
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones is going to be here. Certainly has a role,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's fifth or sixth defensive back slash
Speaker 1: punt returner, that's enough.
Speaker 2: Of a you know, Josh McDaniels is itching to get
Speaker 2: involved on offense too. I also think, like I think
Speaker 2: some of that conversation like, oh, he's in a contract here,
Speaker 2: is he gonna get a second contract? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but he'll be here this year. Like he's not a
Speaker 2: guy you rush off the roster.
Speaker 1: But I was intrigued by some of the different body
Speaker 1: types that they were throwing at the slot position. Isaiah
Speaker 1: Bolden and Marcel's dial got a decent amount of run inside.
Speaker 1: Alex Austin, Alex Austen, Jail Pepper's got some run yesterday
Speaker 1: in the slot. Craig Woodson was playing a little bit
Speaker 1: in the slot at times. So they're clearly and they've
Speaker 1: said it, they clearly are looking for somebody to be
Speaker 1: a big slot and be someone that will be a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger and have a little bit more sturdiness
Speaker 1: to him than Marcus Jones. And to me though that
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if that's going to be a
Speaker 1: full time thing as more is it's gonna be game
Speaker 1: plan and packagedify. So if they're going to play Miami, right,
Speaker 1: if you're going up against a team that plays a
Speaker 1: lot of bass, like you know, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of regular whether it's two tight ends or a full
Speaker 1: back or something like that, Yeah, like you might want
Speaker 1: to be a little bit bigger. You might want to
Speaker 1: have a Jabiro Peppers in the slot or Craig Woodson
Speaker 1: in the slot instead of a Marcus Jones in the slot.
Speaker 1: Miami's actually one of those teams that does it. And
Speaker 1: then that's how they win is they have the speed
Speaker 1: on the outside with the bigger personnel on the inside,
Speaker 1: and it's tough to match up against. So a lot
Speaker 1: of these teams do that now where they put big
Speaker 1: people on the field and then they throw out of
Speaker 1: those big groupings and that's where they get you. You're
Speaker 1: in your base personnel, you only have four dbs on
Speaker 1: the field, but they have speed and they have playmaking
Speaker 1: at receivers still even with a full back or an
Speaker 1: extra tight end on the field. So where they go
Speaker 1: with that, I think it's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of mixing and matching. But they're clearly looking to see
Speaker 1: what's our best combination so that when we want to
Speaker 1: go to the big nickel look, or we want to
Speaker 1: go to a big slot, who's going to be the
Speaker 1: big slot and who's going to be the best one
Speaker 1: that role. I kind of could see it with your
Speaker 1: real Peppers a little bit. I thought he did it
Speaker 1: yesterday and did it pretty well. Craig Woodson had a
Speaker 1: really strong camp. I don't know where they put him,
Speaker 1: whether he's in the back end or they see him
Speaker 1: as a slot guy as well. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: one of those corners that we mentioned too. Where who
Speaker 1: do you think is the best fit for that type
Speaker 1: of role right now on this team? For the slock mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the big slot corner, the big slot, who's the
Speaker 1: best fit?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Alex Austin's the best player, but
Speaker 2: I think some of that is there's value and he
Speaker 2: can be your third boundary corner and backup slot slash
Speaker 2: big slot like counter to Marcus Jones.
Speaker 1: So that saves you a roster spot.
Speaker 2: But you know, is he as good in the slot
Speaker 2: as Marcella's Dial? Probably not, But Dial's not going to
Speaker 2: give you what Austin gives you on the outside. So
Speaker 2: I think they might end up keeping both of them
Speaker 2: and Bolden like they might keep six corners. I'm not
Speaker 2: rolling that out, but and I've said this, I kind
Speaker 2: of want to see Asa a Bolden play safety.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be good at.
Speaker 2: I think Alex Austin makes the most sense. Dial's probably
Speaker 2: the best pure slot corner of the group. But you know,
Speaker 2: if we're talking about somebody to start, if we're talking
Speaker 2: about somebody to be a counter to Marcus Jones and
Speaker 2: be depth Alex Austin because he can do so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what they go with that.
Speaker 1: But there they threw a lot of different bodies in
Speaker 1: that position to try to find the best combination, at
Speaker 1: least to experiment right now with those combinations. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna have a big nickel look like a three safety nickel.
Speaker 1: It's just whether you know who's gonna be where it
Speaker 1: is really good question. Who's going to be that nickel
Speaker 1: player will be fascinating. It's it's a really cool evolution
Speaker 1: to me just to get into like the nickel defender
Speaker 1: in the slot role a little bit. It's a cool
Speaker 1: evolution throughout the league of how that position has evolved.
Speaker 1: The Patriots deserve the credit. Josh McDaniels really deserves the credit.
Speaker 1: The two thousand and seven Patriots changed everything. They went
Speaker 1: eleven personnel with the slot receiver Wes Welker, and they
Speaker 1: forced teams to put a cornerback in the.
Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget they were able to do that
Speaker 2: because the two thousand and three Patriots changed everything because
Speaker 2: they were so dominant physically that it changed the rules
Speaker 2: which allowed you to send a five ft ten over
Speaker 2: the middle, which would have been unthinkable before that.
Speaker 1: So you get the you got eleven personnel, the three
Speaker 1: wide receivers, you have the player in the slot. So
Speaker 1: now the slot corner becomes a thing where they need
Speaker 1: a man to man slot corner that can guard a
Speaker 1: Wes Welker, that can guard a Julian Edelman, so on
Speaker 1: and so forth. So that happens that of all, as
Speaker 1: everybody kind of catches up with that. I would also
Speaker 1: give Belichick, and I don't think he gets enough of
Speaker 1: this credit from like a coaching perspective. When Patrick Chunk
Speaker 1: came back the second time and he turned Patrick Chung
Speaker 1: into a tight end stopper and started putting him man
Speaker 1: to man on tight ends and playing him in the
Speaker 1: box as that moneybacker, that I think that revolutionized it
Speaker 1: again where Patrick Chung. So you had Patrick Chung doing
Speaker 1: that and that sort of thing on tight ends and
Speaker 1: playing in the box as a safety, and then we
Speaker 1: sort of got into this iteration of the slot defender,
Speaker 1: which is turning a lot more into safety body types
Speaker 1: playing the slot because you have all the Shanahan inspired
Speaker 1: teams that are running outside zone all the time. So
Speaker 1: now the slot corners at the point of attack all
Speaker 1: the time. The slot you know, defender nickel back is
Speaker 1: at the point of attack in the run game because
Speaker 1: they're trying to get outside the numbers in the run game.
Speaker 1: So now it's like, all right, well, we originally we
Speaker 1: needed to cover one hundred and eighty pound jitterbug slot receiver,
Speaker 1: so we're worried about that. So the Jonathan Joneses of
Speaker 1: the world emerge, right, and those guys become important now,
Speaker 1: k Kyle Arrington. Now the outside zone world has taken over.
Speaker 1: So you got tackles and guards and blocking tight ends
Speaker 1: that are getting up on one hundred and eighty pounds
Speaker 1: slot corners. Well, that ain't gonna work, so they out
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, like the you know Cheucey
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson types, like the safety slots, Yeah, start to
Speaker 1: become thing. Brian Branch, you know in Detroit, he starts
Speaker 1: to become a thing. And now you need to be
Speaker 1: a little bigger there, and you need to be able
Speaker 1: to take on a blocker and you'll be at side
Speaker 1: and bigger slot receivers like it got like Jacobey Mitay. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good point too. You know, bigger slot receivers, pass
Speaker 1: catching tight ends that are really just receivers, right, you
Speaker 1: know Dalton Concaid types that are truly just pure receivers.
Speaker 1: So you have all these different things that are going on,
Speaker 1: and it's cool how the game is so cyclical like that.
Speaker 1: And now the Patriots are sort of in this different
Speaker 1: type of defense and now they're looking for their Brian Branch,
Speaker 1: Like who's going to be that slot safety that's going
Speaker 1: to be able to play that role, you know, is
Speaker 1: it Peppers, is it Dugger or is it Woodson? Is
Speaker 1: it someone like that that's already on the team or
Speaker 1: is this something that we look at in twenty six
Speaker 1: Not that I want to lose that many games, but
Speaker 1: Caleb downs, well, I mean now they're back in the
Speaker 1: top ten tops hopefully not. Yeah, So that that's a
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's just me, but I can find
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff cool.
Speaker 2: No, the whole you know, I could do hours on that,
Speaker 2: the history of the game evolving and all that.
Speaker 1: Last thing on the list, very bottom of the I
Speaker 1: have like ten things listed out on my rundown. Here,
Speaker 1: we get it. You don't care, and it is the
Speaker 1: very last thing on the list, and I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: you up for it. Andy Borgoalis, looks like you can kick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looks good. Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: You had a really good spring, closed it out yesterday,
Speaker 2: went four to four, drill to fifty one yarder. I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna keep John Parker Romo one just to
Speaker 2: keep the pressure on and keep the competition up.
Speaker 1: In two.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna want him on the practice squad.
Speaker 2: Is Essentially a lot of teams use a practice squad
Speaker 2: now to have a backup kicker. You're not gonna have
Speaker 2: two kickers on the fifty three, right, But now you
Speaker 2: have a guy that has worked with your long snapper
Speaker 2: and your holder and his experienced and it's kind of
Speaker 2: tough to cut the guy and you know, mid August,
Speaker 2: only to then bring him back after roster cuts if
Speaker 2: he's even still around, and we'll come back.
Speaker 1: So I think Parker Romo is.
Speaker 2: Going to be here, and with him being here, there
Speaker 2: will be a kicker competition. They will both be kicking
Speaker 2: and we'll obviously track it. But Borgalis has advertised so far.
Speaker 1: So my question for you about kick it is not
Speaker 1: necessarily about that because Borgolis what missed one kick in
Speaker 1: the practices? I think it was nineteen for twenty, so
Speaker 1: that is a number. I think Brian Hines put that
Speaker 1: one out yesterday. So Ben Dynamite, Now, there's no live
Speaker 1: rush right, truly live rush right, And there's no pressure
Speaker 1: really like there's some pressure, but we're not talking about
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people in Jillette Stadium in Week one, you know,
Speaker 1: game winning kick pressure. So those are still unknowns, right,
Speaker 1: You know whether he's gonna when he kicks with a
Speaker 1: rush against him if it's just as good. But with
Speaker 1: what we've been able to see, he's been great. Do
Speaker 1: you have a like do you have weight on kickers too,
Speaker 1: to like gauge that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, the big thing with him is the weather, right,
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, we can't no, we can't get it.
Speaker 1: That's not a training camp thing.
Speaker 2: That's on an early season thing like it's gonna Although
Speaker 2: who knows the way these saturdays have been. Maybe we
Speaker 2: will get to see him kick in fifty and raining
Speaker 2: in July. Yeah, but that's just good. We're gonna have
Speaker 2: to cross operation we come to it. I said this
Speaker 2: at the draft. I liked his approach. When he was
Speaker 2: asked about it, he did downplay it. He didn't because
Speaker 2: I hate it when guys like, well, you know, they
Speaker 2: get asked on that. Well, you know, kicking's kicking. Well okay,
Speaker 2: but part of kicking is adjusting to the elements, and
Speaker 2: the same for any position, whether it be in any sport.
Speaker 2: You know, you hear baseball players well you know in
Speaker 2: the plane in the cold, Oh, you know, we get you.
Speaker 2: You know, we play one hundred and sixty two games team,
Speaker 2: but they're not all the same. So he didn't downplay it.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I understand why people have that question,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking forward to proving people wrong, which means
Speaker 2: he understands it's gonna be adjustment. He understands's gonna be different.
Speaker 2: You hope he's kind of mentally wired right that he
Speaker 2: just goes about it business wise and doesn't let it
Speaker 2: bother him. But that's just something we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: see when we see it. There's really no way unless
Speaker 2: they have a really, really really large walk in freezer
Speaker 2: here that we don't know about that they can empty out.
Speaker 2: That's just gonna be something that we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: see when it comes up.
Speaker 1: Is it that crazy to go Rocky style and go
Speaker 1: in the walk in freezer? Because I've always thought that that,
Speaker 1: But it's a possibility, right, Like why not?
Speaker 2: So the Saints did that with their quarterbacks I think
Speaker 2: last year before they played the package, So why not?
Speaker 2: Like they cleaned it out and they brought a cup
Speaker 2: a receiver.
Speaker 1: They have the bubble right, and it's just like how
Speaker 1: we get as cold as you possibly don't think you
Speaker 1: can get that bubble that cold because it's it's not
Speaker 1: like maybe the maybe the new facility will have like
Speaker 1: temperature control. So that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Can you get it because you also need significant size
Speaker 2: because you got to be able to make sure the
Speaker 2: kicks work. Could you create a golf simulator type room
Speaker 2: for a kicker where you don't need to see the
Speaker 2: ball flight because it's track, but you can also get
Speaker 2: the room really cold, or you put fans on the
Speaker 2: walls to simulate wind, or something like.
Speaker 1: The VR type stuff right where they have the v V.
Speaker 1: You have to feel it, Yes, you have to feel
Speaker 1: the cold furniture thing. Have you ever been to that thing?
Speaker 1: Shuns right, it's called I think it's called mom it's
Speaker 1: and it's like you could like feel the wind in
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 2: Like on the Oh yeah, well they have I don't
Speaker 2: know if they haven't been in a while. They used
Speaker 2: to have at the hall where you could do the vinetaries.
Speaker 1: They still have. It needs to be just that, but
Speaker 1: close it in so you can make it. You need to.
Speaker 1: They need to update that a little bit. It's seen
Speaker 1: it's better days, but they still have it. But the technology,
Speaker 1: you know, they could say so updated do that, but
Speaker 1: make it actually feel like January two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: before that blizzard or in that blizzard, and then let
Speaker 1: him go kicking that you get fake snow, you put
Speaker 1: it on the ground, Like, I think it's a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's you got to do it right. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not going to feel that until November December the earliest.
Speaker 2: Now, you got to hope that if he's kicking in
Speaker 2: a snowstorm, that it snows during the week so he
Speaker 2: can get out there during the week and kind of
Speaker 2: experiment and work with it.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, if he's kicking during a snowstorm, with
Speaker 1: the way that our weather has been true, they're playing
Speaker 1: in the championship, yeah, or something like, they're playing deep
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, which is uh, which is good anyways,
Speaker 1: Right if hopefully he makes a kick, but it will
Speaker 1: be good anyways. Uh all right, So we're gonna open
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Speaker 1: you guys are still there. Chad is in LA. What's up? Chad? Hey?
Speaker 6: How are you guys?
Speaker 4: Thank you good?
Speaker 1: How are you Chad?
Speaker 6: My question is offense defense. I'm getting a little bit
Speaker 6: of feedback, so I apologize if I'm a little stuttered.
Speaker 6: My defense question is, with everything looking the way that
Speaker 6: it's looking, are, can we confidently say potentially top five
Speaker 6: top ten defense this year?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: If they want to get a top five like key
Speaker 2: On White's kind of take a pretty significant jump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a lot. That's I mean, they
Speaker 1: were you need dugg Er and Peppers to both be
Speaker 1: fully healthy. It's a little lofty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a top five every single what if goes
Speaker 2: their way with the schedule they have, they could sneak
Speaker 2: in the top five, but it would take a lot.
Speaker 6: Okay, So our offense is competing on a daily basis
Speaker 6: against a really good defense on a regular bait, right,
Speaker 6: you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
Speaker 6: Okay, So my my question then is this, so they're
Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna be battle ready. Has Campbell's arms shown
Speaker 6: any issue whatsoever since all of the hype during the draft.
Speaker 1: I would say that he's gotten better with every practice, honestly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I try to watch him as much as
Speaker 1: I can. H I wish that we could watch film
Speaker 1: a practice because it's always hard with the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: a lot of moving bodies and flashes of color and
Speaker 1: things like that in there. But I felt like you
Speaker 1: got better at each practice. And the one thing that
Speaker 1: I definitely saw him making real strides with was protecting
Speaker 1: his inside. That was the biggest issue with him in college.
Speaker 1: He get opened up and then he'd get crossed inside,
Speaker 1: whether with an inside counter or like a spinner or
Speaker 1: a crossover or something like that. I thought he did
Speaker 1: a better job of that of staying inside out and
Speaker 1: not drifting off of his set as a camp went
Speaker 1: on here. So we'll see when the pads come on.
Speaker 1: But no, I wouldn't say that it was majorly. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I could see guys getting into his body, but he's
Speaker 1: got such a great anchor that I didn't see it
Speaker 1: was as a huge deterrent, at least so far. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's non padded practice, so it's a
Speaker 1: little early to say yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then if I could ask one more question, if
Speaker 6: our olne is challenging, that affects our running game, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that that And thanks for the call, Chad,
Speaker 1: and thanks for waiting that. That's where I'm at with
Speaker 1: the line. I don't I'm not trying to be alarmist
Speaker 1: about it yet. It's not in that level of it
Speaker 1: wasn't like last year like you brought brought up earlier.
Speaker 1: We're ways away from that, luckily. But that's that's the
Speaker 1: engine of your offense. I know everybody gets bored by
Speaker 1: the offensive line talk and stuff, but truly, uh, you
Speaker 1: cannot call every thing if you don't have a good
Speaker 1: offensive line, like you just there are things on the
Speaker 1: playsheet that you're just eliminated, you know, the longer developing
Speaker 1: plays obviously, but there also might be run plays that
Speaker 1: you're just not good enough to execute, and the more
Speaker 1: complex run schemes, and so then it just narrows the
Speaker 1: scope of the things that you can call, and that
Speaker 1: makes you predictable and easy to scout and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it's a huge part of it,
Speaker 1: the run game, the pass game, all of it. It's
Speaker 1: not just pass protection though, so it's a good point
Speaker 1: of by the caller. That's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: And the best run games truly are the most diverse,
Speaker 1: like the ones that can call you know, a pluthor
Speaker 1: of runs like Detroit under Ben Johnson. I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: their run game install must have been like a like
Speaker 1: a phone book, right, like they just said, you have
Speaker 1: all these different types of runs and you have no
Speaker 1: limitations with the personnel up front, so you can just
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. And that's just a lot of
Speaker 1: things that adds a lot to the table. And you hope,
Speaker 1: you know, Will Campbell's are really athletic, high end run
Speaker 1: blocker as a prospect, and you hope that he's one
Speaker 1: of those types of tackles that now he's not going
Speaker 1: to be Penny Suol, but like you hope that he
Speaker 1: is one of those types of guys from cut from
Speaker 1: that same clot that he can pull and he can
Speaker 1: get out in front of blocks and he can you know,
Speaker 1: reach front side on the outside zone and like he
Speaker 1: can't allow you to have more range to your run game.
Speaker 1: That would be great. That's exactly what you're what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for out of him in year one, you know,
Speaker 1: to go back to the question about Campbell pass protection
Speaker 1: is probably gonna have some hits and misses for him.
Speaker 1: I would say year one, as he learns his body,
Speaker 1: learns how to you know, get away with the shorter
Speaker 1: arms and like all that kind of stuff, there might
Speaker 1: be some losses there early. But can he really be
Speaker 1: a day one impact run blocker, because he should be.
Speaker 1: That's what he was at LSU, and then he should
Speaker 1: be that in the NFL. If he's that already out
Speaker 1: of the gate, then I'll be really optimistic about where
Speaker 1: they're at with Will Campbell. All right, Nate is in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: What's up? Nate?
Speaker 5: Hey, guys guys here you well, yes, we got you. So,
Speaker 5: like my question to you guys is, well, hold on. First,
Speaker 5: I'll say it is my second to last day of school.
Speaker 5: Very excited. So I'm going to talk about something that
Speaker 5: excites me, and that is our cornerback room. What I
Speaker 5: really think. I think we have a really strong room
Speaker 5: with the addition to Carlton Davis and of course the
Speaker 5: main star Christian Zalees and Marcus Jones, and then uh
Speaker 5: maybe Alex Austin on the outside and sometimes in the slot.
Speaker 5: But my main thing is that where would you rank
Speaker 5: our cornerback room like in the league? Like is it
Speaker 5: top five?
Speaker 4: Top ten?
Speaker 5: Because I know we're getting compared to a lot of
Speaker 5: duos like Derek Stingley and then you have Pats their
Speaker 5: Tan and.
Speaker 7: The Bronx and the new Broncos DV.
Speaker 5: But yeah, where where you guys thought on where the
Speaker 5: Pats cornerback room stands across the league? Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling Nate and congrats on ending school.
Speaker 1: Yeah like that because you know he's he's cool and
Speaker 1: he calls catch twenty two during school. Awesome. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know where do they rank and quarterback. It's a
Speaker 1: good question. I haven't necessarily looked at. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but the other team's de charge off the top of
Speaker 1: my head is high. Yeah, yeah, it's the duo is
Speaker 1: high for sure. I mean it's a second team All
Speaker 1: Pro corner and a really good corner in Carlton Davis.
Speaker 1: So I would say the duo is high. Uh, I
Speaker 1: think they have a chance to be in that conversation, certainly,
Speaker 1: and they definitely have a chance to be one of
Speaker 1: the best man coverage groups in the league, maybe already
Speaker 1: are the best man coverage group in the league. Denver
Speaker 1: has a good one.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Pat Sartan will obviously hold that down. They have a
Speaker 1: good all the all the corners by the team. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Christian Benford, Maxwell Harrison about Storm Duck, Jalen Ramsey's not
Speaker 2: gonna be there, Yeah, Sauce Gardner, Brandon Stevens, Nate Wigan, No, No, Denzel.
Speaker 1: War Martin Emerson not bad. It wasn't bad. Darius Slade,
Speaker 1: Joey Porter, not bad.
Speaker 2: Him still taking the Patriots there, Stingley, Kamari Lassiter's up
Speaker 2: there right, D'Angelo ross is on the Texans, former Patriot
Speaker 2: Pats er Tan Riley Moss, Chris Abrams, Draine in the slot.
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty good. I'd say Denver's probably Rileys
Speaker 1: really good player too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas City is Christian Fulton, Jalen Watson.
Speaker 1: Why isn't is he hurt McDuffie or maybe this isn't
Speaker 1: including slot corners? Well, he plays a little bit on that,
Speaker 1: that's true. It's a good group two. Yeah, Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: here elam No keey Ringo Quinny and Mitchell Dorri Jackson,
Speaker 1: Eli Rix. I mean that's a good Philly Philly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then what's his name? Is counting him as a safety?
Speaker 2: I think all right, they're probably I don't think this
Speaker 2: includes slot corners, so maybe this isn't the best thing
Speaker 2: to go off of.
Speaker 1: I can't think of his damn name. I have a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, Cooper Gen Cooper Deen like literally, yeah, Mike
Speaker 1: Sayner still, marsha On Lattimore's not bad, but I'm still
Speaker 1: taking Yeah, the Patriots, it's probably it's Denver. Probably Moss
Speaker 1: and Patrick Startan are a really good duo.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I saw J. C.
Speaker 2: Horn cool Aid McKinstry next to each other, but they're
Speaker 2: on different teams, so that's not it. Uh Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that's pretty much it. Look I the Patriots are
Speaker 2: right there with anybody.
Speaker 1: Along those lines.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you this because I've been asked this to
Speaker 2: bring it up je or Alexander, at least by the Packers.
Speaker 2: I don't get the like I see some Patriots fans
Speaker 2: really clamoring for it.
Speaker 1: Where's he? What's the plan there so he could play,
Speaker 1: he could play Nickel. Is he gonna come here and
Speaker 1: play Nickel though? Or I don't know. So, like he's
Speaker 1: a boundary corner. Just I love Jeor Alexander. I do too.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, but so was he he
Speaker 1: was nineteen draft. I want to say he was one
Speaker 1: of our first drafts that I was really covering the
Speaker 1: NFL and covering the team, and I was horrible at
Speaker 1: evaluating whatever word you want to use. I know people
Speaker 1: get all up in arms when I say scout, So
Speaker 1: I won't say that I was horrible at it. Twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, I was very I was, you know,
Speaker 1: young buck, trying to do this, trying to fake it
Speaker 1: till I bake it. But I saw JayR. Alexander's tape
Speaker 1: at louis Ville and was just like, that's a dog.
Speaker 1: So is a heck of a corner. And he ended
Speaker 1: up being as good of a player as I thought
Speaker 1: he would be. In he's a stud. But he's been injured.
Speaker 1: He's been consistently injured for like three or four years now.
Speaker 2: He's also progressively played fewer percentage of his snaps in
Speaker 2: the slot every year last year he played three thirty
Speaker 2: one on the boundary, just fourteen in the slot.
Speaker 1: Like he's a boundary corner. So it's a name, you know,
Speaker 1: every time this comes about, I know, but it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, and there are names they
Speaker 1: could add.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't need to add, but like,
Speaker 2: first off, the guys I look at right away if
Speaker 2: you're gonna make that kind of splash move, and it
Speaker 2: would be a splash move, yeah, Trey Henderson, t J.
Speaker 1: Watt, and I don't know that of those guys are
Speaker 1: where they are, Like you, Gyr, you are just signing him.
Speaker 1: So what about Jayalen Ramsey? Because Jaalen Ramsey can play
Speaker 1: the slot, he can play some safety. At this point,
Speaker 1: Ramsey is probably in my mind, the best slot corner
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He doesn't play there all the time.
Speaker 1: He does play a little bit on the outside still,
Speaker 1: but when you use him in that like and he
Speaker 1: has experienced doing he's yeah, it's like two hundred STAPs.
Speaker 1: You know. Some teams call it different things. You know,
Speaker 1: Star is probably the most common one. When he plays
Speaker 1: that star role, like he's he's awesome at it. He's
Speaker 1: really really good.
Speaker 2: That's the guy. And is Miami gonna trade him or
Speaker 2: they're gonna release him?
Speaker 1: Might be a post June one designation guy, So that's
Speaker 1: if he haven't traded him yet. There's probably not a
Speaker 1: huge market.
Speaker 2: If he gets cut. And I think Jeier Alexander is
Speaker 2: a better player at this point.
Speaker 1: I think Ramsey might be a better player because Jeer
Speaker 1: Alexander has but he's just hurt. He hasn't really I
Speaker 1: guess health assume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Jeer Alexander, I think at this point is
Speaker 2: Ramsey just peak was a better player.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying Ramsey is a better investment because
Speaker 1: he's so this.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm getting at Madden rating, Jeer Alexander
Speaker 2: is probably higher. Who's a better fit for the Patriots
Speaker 2: right now? If you're gonna add one of those two guys,
Speaker 2: I think it's Jalen Ramsey and I don't think it's close.
Speaker 1: I think it's Jalen Ramsey on both things, but it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. That's not here nor there. Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: is a really good player still, and the fact that
Speaker 1: he has that twilight of his career option of moving
Speaker 1: inside to the slot because he's so instinctive and he's
Speaker 1: such a great playmaker inside that he just as it
Speaker 1: knows for the football. Yeah, he would be a great fit.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Honestly, now, I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: run available. Miami is not trading him here, No, he
Speaker 1: probably have to get cut. Yeah. Well, then again, they
Speaker 1: traded Devonte Parker here. Well, I think that's a different Well,
Speaker 1: but if they're clearly done with Ramsey, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't actually I haven't followed that one close enough for
Speaker 1: they've done with him or is he done with them?
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of ball. So they.
Speaker 2: Remember when they got him from the Rams and everybody
Speaker 2: talked about that was the end of the AFC East
Speaker 2: ever being competitive Jalen Ramsey, So, well, it was kind
Speaker 2: of a it's been a messy marriage from the beginning,
Speaker 2: if I have my facts. Trade here, he got traded
Speaker 2: to Miami from the Rams, like you said, and he
Speaker 2: played in Vic Fangio's defense, yeah, the very first year.
Speaker 2: And Vic Fangio is not a matchup guy. He is
Speaker 2: do what we do, play sides. Everybody's got their side
Speaker 2: of the field. That they're gonna play and he's not
Speaker 2: a he's not like a shadow guy, he's not a
Speaker 2: travel guy. And Jalen Ramsey didn't like it. He took
Speaker 2: exception to it, was vocally public about it and said that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm Jalen Ramsey essentially like I want to
Speaker 2: do the whole revis tylaw thing like I got you,
Speaker 2: you know, cat cover cat coverage, as Mike Rabel called it,
Speaker 2: like that's the way he wants to play, and they
Speaker 2: didn't want him to do that.
Speaker 1: They wanted him to play his side of the field
Speaker 1: and play his role and that sort of thing. So
Speaker 1: he butted heads with Vic Fangio Vic Fangio leaves and
Speaker 1: then last year I thought that they did that more
Speaker 1: and they are more creative with his usage, and he
Speaker 1: was doing more he wanted to be doing. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hold up is now. A contract
Speaker 1: probably would be my guest, like he's getting expensive and
Speaker 1: he's getting older, so maybe it's it's some sort of contract.
Speaker 1: I always hate to use cap casualty because it's really
Speaker 1: not what it is, but maybe it's something like that.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked up the exact particulars of why he's Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really and it doesn't really say but it looks
Speaker 2: like he wants out. Yeah, they've also got to figure
Speaker 2: out they got a whole thing on their hands with
Speaker 2: John who Smith.
Speaker 1: That was a long winded way of saying that it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the coaching staff has nailed it with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, like they haven't really exactly. And when
Speaker 1: I say nailed it eight, he hasn't been thrilled with
Speaker 1: his usage and and like the defense and the scheme
Speaker 1: that they're running and all that kind of stuff. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you you're anti Mike McDaniel. We know that you
Speaker 1: don't want as a head coach. Yeah, you don't like him?
Speaker 2: I do think, well, no, because this is where we
Speaker 2: always gets twisted. He's a good play designer. He's a
Speaker 2: very good play designer.
Speaker 1: He is. I will give him credit for that. I
Speaker 1: don't like him as a head coach. So I watched
Speaker 1: his press conference the other day. Yeah, he looks a
Speaker 1: little bit like a beaten man. Like he looks he's
Speaker 1: he's very you know, he used to be this like
Speaker 1: vibrant guy, this big personality. Uh maybe even to a
Speaker 1: detriment at times he's feeling you can feel the hot
Speaker 1: butt almost like he was hired to that king early
Speaker 1: and he's in overseas and you feel the seat warmer
Speaker 1: on that guy. I wonder who said that that that
Speaker 1: might be the case. It's tough when for them, and
Speaker 1: I know this is in Dolphins Catch twenty two, but
Speaker 1: they are a division. It is tough for them that
Speaker 1: they just can't keep to a healthy Like if I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they would have won the super Bowl, then stop.
Speaker 2: But they've also had a couple of decent backup quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that they just get rid of. Sure, but like invest
Speaker 2: if you know you have an injury prone quarterback, invest
Speaker 2: in a good backup.
Speaker 1: When they win to a plays, they are like a
Speaker 1: ten to eleven win pace team. That's not the differentiator.
Speaker 1: And he's I think he is a differentiator because of
Speaker 1: how they run their offense. Like their offense is so
Speaker 1: motion heavy and it's so multiple and all these different
Speaker 1: things that you need a true to a esque trigger
Speaker 1: man like Tua is a point guard. He's not a
Speaker 1: he's not an overlease like toolsy quarterback. He's not Josh
Speaker 1: Allen or you know, Mahomes or Lamar right where he's
Speaker 1: got these crazy physical tools. He's more of like that
Speaker 1: point G distributor, and they the way that offense hums
Speaker 1: when he's out there is just different than what they
Speaker 1: has been with their backups, so that that's not just
Speaker 1: to let them off the hook, like they have a
Speaker 1: fragile quarterback and they don't necessarily account for it the
Speaker 1: way if they should with a reliable backup. But they're
Speaker 1: a ten to eleven win paced team. They're a playoff
Speaker 1: team with two and they're not without them. Right, it's
Speaker 1: that simple. What year did McDaniel get there?
Speaker 5: Again?
Speaker 1: Oh man, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty twenty ish, I
Speaker 1: want to say it's like the third or fourth year.
Speaker 1: So the thing I'm trying to find is the real differentiator.
Speaker 2: So here it is against teams over or under five hundred.
Speaker 1: I gotta look up the year here. This is why
Speaker 1: it's not Dolphins catch twenty two because we don't know the.
Speaker 2: I want to say it was twenty it was twenty two, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So since twenty twenty two, the Dolphins against teams under
Speaker 2: five hundred, five and three, ten and one, seven and
Speaker 2: four against teams over five hundred which gave for five
Speaker 2: one in five, one in five. They can't beat good
Speaker 2: team two has played in these games. Will because there's
Speaker 2: the other thing about to his record in the cold.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that they can't beat good teams and
Speaker 2: they can't beat teams with the cold because shocker Mike
Speaker 2: mcdanne refuses to make any adjustments about anything.
Speaker 1: Ever, I don't think it's that. I really don't, and
Speaker 1: I know we get into this argument philosophically all the time.
Speaker 1: It's still in your school, though, what I think my
Speaker 1: biggest criticism of the Dolphins, My biggest criticism of the
Speaker 1: Dolphins is that they can't beat the good teams because
Speaker 1: they get killed in the trenches. They get murdered every time.
Speaker 2: Especially they're all good teams are usually good in the
Speaker 2: trenches right there.
Speaker 1: They just they are not a physical football team. So
Speaker 1: they don't play well in the cold. They don't play
Speaker 1: well against good teams that are built in the mid
Speaker 1: through the trenches. They don't, you know, they don't play
Speaker 1: well in those situations. Their offensive line has been terrible
Speaker 1: for basically like two or three years now, as bad
Speaker 1: as the Patriots in some ways, and a big reason
Speaker 1: why is because they don't invest in it. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't draft people, know, they don't really invest highly. Now,
Speaker 1: they drafted an offensive lineman this year, right.
Speaker 2: Defensive linean didn't they take the kid from Michigan Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 1: You're right they did. Yeah, Now they need to run defense.
Speaker 1: That was a bit, That's a part of it. It's
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. They needed to be sure
Speaker 1: up the middle. But they just feel they're like allergic
Speaker 1: to drafting a good offensive lineman. And it's worse this
Speaker 1: year because Toront Armstead retired. So it's like they don't
Speaker 1: have I don't even think they have a starting left
Speaker 1: tackle that you feel great about right now. They have
Speaker 1: invested in speed on the outside, you know, Hill and Waddle,
Speaker 1: obviously John new Smith. That tight end was an investment.
Speaker 1: They are heavily invested in their backfield like they're running
Speaker 1: backs like a chan and those guys they that's all
Speaker 1: they care about. This is to your point. They care
Speaker 1: about the skill players, and they care about the scheme,
Speaker 1: and they don't care about the trenches, and they just
Speaker 1: get bullied by these good teams and the trenches. It's
Speaker 1: tough so to.
Speaker 2: Against teams over five hundred or sorry, yeah, against teams
Speaker 2: over five hundred six and thirteen since since Mike McDaniel
Speaker 2: got there, against teams over five under five hundred nineteen
Speaker 2: and three nineteen and three against under five hundred six
Speaker 2: and thirteen against it. So it it too is a
Speaker 2: part of that.
Speaker 1: It's not all of it, but it is a part
Speaker 1: of Okay, So I want to hear they're starting projected
Speaker 1: offensive line. This is our lads, Debtha Winstill No, I
Speaker 1: thought it was. He started from the last year. It's
Speaker 1: not good. Okay, So here's their starting five on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. Tell me if this is better or worse
Speaker 1: than the Patriotskay, your boy Patrick paul I left tackle.
Speaker 1: I do like Patrick did not play really as ad
Speaker 1: play last Yeah, a total unknown. Isaiah Win is maybe
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. Keep going. James Daniels, who's a veteran
Speaker 1: free agent signing over from Pittsburgh, was a good player.
Speaker 1: But it's been heard so that would have been their
Speaker 1: West s White Seri equivalent. He's a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Then, we'll call that, all right, So we'll give that
Speaker 2: one of the Dolphins. They know left guard, that's left guard.
Speaker 1: We'll give that one. Of the Dolphins. Aaron Brewer at
Speaker 1: center is a really good player, so give him that.
Speaker 1: He's good. Here's one that was Patriot adjacent Jonas right
Speaker 1: now projected starting right guard. I'll take Austin Jackson at
Speaker 1: right tackle. I'll take more Moses. That might be the
Speaker 1: worst offensive line. Not good, it's not good. Brewers are
Speaker 1: really good center. And then what's there about it? Like, uh,
Speaker 1: not great? Any names that we'd even recognize that? Jackson
Speaker 1: Carmen is still kicking around the league. He's backing up
Speaker 1: at guard. Liam Eichenberg still Kaaran Irad has been a
Speaker 1: huge bus for them. Yeah. Uh, Andrew Meyer is like
Speaker 1: a veteran journeyman center. He's kind of like a West Tweitzerka.
Speaker 1: He's in that mold. The one good player on their
Speaker 1: offensive line that I feel good about. Jonah will be
Speaker 1: a good player, but he's Aaron Brews a really good center,
Speaker 1: like top five, top ten centers in the league. But
Speaker 1: other than that, you're you're looking at a bunch of Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not pretty, and they don't they Their highest draft
Speaker 1: pick was Jonaho's a high second round pack well, because
Speaker 1: they just want fast guys and offense aren't fast. They
Speaker 1: want Chop Robinson and they want athletes on offense, like
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking at. All right, let's get back
Speaker 1: to the phones. Uh At, it was a full Dolphins minute.
Speaker 1: And I feel like like we don't have to be
Speaker 1: like glass houses anymore because I feel like the Patriots
Speaker 1: are kind of in a good spot. So I don't
Speaker 1: better than that offensive line wise, they might be better. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that might be the worst offensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 1: All right, Emories in Virginia. What's up, Emory?
Speaker 4: Yes, good afternoon, Jim. Enjoy your show man. Hey, I
Speaker 4: got a couple of questions here. What have you seen
Speaker 4: from Kobe minor anything? I'll take anything if you've seen
Speaker 4: anything from Nick Kids and my last one, My last
Speaker 4: one is a fante Samuel s has the Patriots closed
Speaker 4: the door on him? The kind of had a Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame career as far as his total career, and
Speaker 4: he has some good years here with New England Patriots.
Speaker 4: Help me out, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: By closing the door, like in terms of like alumni stuff.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, alumna stung. I haven't seen in any games,
Speaker 4: no conversation from you guys or all of anybody realt.
Speaker 4: Nobody talks about Asante sam You've seeing it, and I
Speaker 4: thought the guy had an amazing career Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: work over fifteen interceptions, seven returns for touchdowns. He owned
Speaker 4: the NFC in NFL postseason interception return for touchdowns. He
Speaker 4: owns that and two Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair point, Emory, Thanks for the call.
Speaker 1: I I know it didn't end great with Bill and Sante,
Speaker 1: so that it might stem from that Bill's not here anymore,
Speaker 1: So maybe there's an opportunity to iron out that relationship
Speaker 1: again now that that he's not around anymore. Rabel must
Speaker 1: must have played with Sante Samuel right today? He was
Speaker 1: he was on seven seven? Yeah, yeah, so last year, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was here. I think they overlapped, so maybe.
Speaker 2: Two years uh or no, yeah, they overlapped for a while.
Speaker 2: Rabel was here one oh eight, Samuel was here three
Speaker 2: zero seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the Vergificantly Yeah, yeah so maybe yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I also wonder if that question is we were
Speaker 2: just talking about the slot corners, like a Sante Samuel
Speaker 2: Junior still a free agent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've seen some people bring him up as
Speaker 1: a potential fit. Yeah, what was the first thing Zobe minor?
Speaker 1: Kobe Minor he had. He's been in that opportunity group.
Speaker 1: I didn't really see anything eye bobbing from him, but
Speaker 1: just in terms of where he's playing and who he's
Speaker 1: playing with. He's been sort of with that with that
Speaker 1: third group, I would say for most of minicamp, which
Speaker 1: isn't surprising, you know. So it was like Marcus Bryan
Speaker 1: was like, you know, playing in that that spot, would
Speaker 1: tackle with a lot of Ben Woolridge reps and stuff
Speaker 1: like that with him. Yeah, so similar. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: William is in Philly. What's up, William? Haven't heard from
Speaker 1: you in a while.
Speaker 3: It's been a while. How you doing good? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 3: I just wanted I didn't get a chance that the
Speaker 3: talk about far as the real fast just I was
Speaker 3: very pleased. I was pleased. Uh, will Campbell, I understand it, Evan,
Speaker 3: you know I was. I was a little against it,
Speaker 3: but I understand we needed a tackle. I like to
Speaker 3: running back and Kyle was a Kyle Williams the wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, okay, okay, I like free agency everything I have.
Speaker 3: If Bill was doing this, it probably wouldn't went this
Speaker 3: way though, But I was very pleased. I have no
Speaker 3: complaints of anything.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 3: Still looking trying to for that true number one. And
Speaker 3: that's just the take I wish you want to have
Speaker 3: with Alex will Fast. I know we in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I know his name is, is it John Mayors?
Speaker 4: S missed?
Speaker 3: If I'm staying right, he doesn't come out.
Speaker 2: To Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, you gonna ask about wide reserves
Speaker 2: next year. So Jeremiah Smith's twenty seven, right, and Ryan Williams.
Speaker 2: Those are the two best receivers in college football. They're
Speaker 2: both another year.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you see Mark Wave was moving up to get them,
Speaker 3: I mean to get one of them. Maybe that's our
Speaker 3: chance to finally get a true number one.
Speaker 2: I mean two years from now hopefully, or you know,
Speaker 2: by the time we get there twenty twenty seven draft,
Speaker 2: that's year three of Drake May right, and.
Speaker 1: Doing my math right there, Yeah, they should be a
Speaker 1: playoff team. They shouldn't be this year four we're going
Speaker 1: into here, or year four of Drake.
Speaker 2: May Yeah, they should not be in a spot where
Speaker 2: they can trade up that I mean, those guys will
Speaker 2: both gonna be top five picks. They shouldn't be in
Speaker 2: a spot where they can trade up to the top five.
Speaker 2: I think I can give you some names this year
Speaker 2: if you want, if they're in a position now. Granted,
Speaker 2: I think I said this about who was it a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and I was like, if they're
Speaker 2: in a position draft and they it's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that.
Speaker 2: About Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams if they're in a
Speaker 2: position draft those guys.
Speaker 1: Something went wrong.
Speaker 2: As good as those players are right, this year's draft
Speaker 2: is weird just because some of the top receivers are
Speaker 2: true juniors. So are they gonna come out? Are they
Speaker 2: gonna go back to school? One name I've heard a lot,
Speaker 2: so Carnel Tait is the guy you like from Ohio
Speaker 2: State and they got to.
Speaker 1: Get an X.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams from Clemson is so many people have talked about.
Speaker 2: I think he's an inside guy. He's a good player,
Speaker 2: but he's more redundant than he get that true X.
Speaker 2: Carnel Tate from Ohio State is a big name, and
Speaker 2: I think he's a senior.
Speaker 1: I think he's coming out.
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston from Washington is another name you'll hear a
Speaker 2: lot he is really that traditional, big, physical X. I
Speaker 2: haven't done a ton of work, so this is a
Speaker 2: very light comparison. Don't take this gospel.
Speaker 1: It will probably change.
Speaker 2: But that is your sort of tech McMillan kind of player,
Speaker 2: the guy I really like. And he is a true
Speaker 2: junior and his quarterback's a true junior. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: They may stay and I'm gonna be watching this all year.
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, he.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can let you go. You
Speaker 2: don't have to stay odd for this whole explanation, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to hold you, but
Speaker 2: uh yeah, Jordan Tyson is like he's big, but he's
Speaker 2: not so big that he's lumbering, right. He's got good speed,
Speaker 2: he's quick, he's got great ball skills. He's just really young.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of variation there. And I
Speaker 2: think I said this about Tet McMillan last year, who
Speaker 2: came out as a true junior. A lot of the hype, right,
Speaker 2: there is projection, right, this kid is going to turn
Speaker 2: twenty one in August. So what you know we're talking about, Well,
Speaker 2: this is what he's on the path to become If
Speaker 2: he becomes that guy, you're talking about, somebody who's a
Speaker 2: top ten, top fifteen pick and can play the X
Speaker 2: and be a legitimate playmaker in the NFL. There are
Speaker 2: also guys that have been at this point in their
Speaker 2: career that have that hype that they just don't take
Speaker 2: that next step. He's got a good quarterback in Sam Levitt.
Speaker 2: It's a really rising program, fast rising program at Arizona State.
Speaker 2: They've done a great job with player development. I think
Speaker 2: he's in good hands there. I think Hines Ward is
Speaker 2: actually their wide receivers coach. I know he wasn't one point,
Speaker 2: but I feel like it was around in this time
Speaker 2: last year. I did this, this feel about Tet McMillan.
Speaker 2: So this is this is the guy that I'm kind
Speaker 2: of behind. As we start the season.
Speaker 1: It can change. There's a whole other season to go.
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about a first round receiver for
Speaker 2: the Patriots in twenty twenty six, if he comes out,
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Tyson.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, Okay, uh just real, just real fat.
Speaker 3: But I know I haven't been calling like that. Whatever,
Speaker 3: It's not that because my job is kind of a
Speaker 3: little demanded and asking a lot of me. But but
Speaker 3: when I'm like, I'm off to dato. So that's why
Speaker 3: I'm able to call when I just to check it
Speaker 3: in on y'all guys. But I'm always listening to y'all. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I have agree and y'all take care.
Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks William, it was good to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the kindes. Ward is the wide receivers coach
Speaker 1: Arizona State.
Speaker 4: Still.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I really liked. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched any of these guys closely, but just
Speaker 1: seeing Cardinal Tate in the in the college football playoff,
Speaker 1: just one of those smooth Ohio State wide receives.
Speaker 2: He's in Ohio State X. He's not like JSN No.
Speaker 1: He's more like a laved Garrett Wilson type. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like smooth athletes. He's big, six', three, toy he's, big
Speaker 1: he's got some he's got some. SKILL i think you
Speaker 1: will Like Jordan tyson The arizona's. Take, YEAH i think
Speaker 1: you will Like you're not it's not AND i know
Speaker 1: all the caveats of a whole fault college football season to.
Speaker 1: Go but this class is is not is not? Great,
Speaker 1: right it's not? There, well it's it's similar to this, year, Right,
Speaker 1: like it's. Not there's not A i think it's better
Speaker 1: than this. Year there's. Not there's not A Marvin harrison,
Speaker 1: Junior Milik. Neighbors, well here's the weird thing about this.
Speaker 1: Class there's so many young. Guys there's so Many Red
Speaker 1: strips sophomores And Drew junior is that there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Variants so there are guys that have that, upside but
Speaker 1: they haven't played to it. Yet there's nobody going into
Speaker 1: the season that you're hyping like. That there, is but
Speaker 1: they're not in the draft until next. Year so but
Speaker 1: like last, year there's more upside with this group than
Speaker 1: there was last. YEAR'S i would, Say, so we're getting
Speaker 1: the way ahead of ourselves with the twenty twenty. Seven
Speaker 1: you knew it was going to happen. Eventually but has
Speaker 1: there ever been a wide receiver going one two in the?
Speaker 1: Draft probably, not not THAT i can think. Of, No,
Speaker 1: NOW i Would Jeremiah smith to me IS i would
Speaker 1: Pick Jeremiah smith Over Ryan. WILLIAMS i think he's a
Speaker 1: little bit more physically. Imposing, Yeah Jeremiah smith And ryan's
Speaker 1: are a lot Of Julio jones like. THAT i see
Speaker 1: that sort of. Player he's just so freaking, good where
Speaker 1: Like Ryan williams still looks a little his body type so.
Speaker 1: Long Ryan williams to, me is a Good Ryan williams
Speaker 1: is just souped.
Speaker 2: Up and this guy's really good AND i think HE
Speaker 2: i think he's a better version Of DeVonta.
Speaker 1: Smith, yeah that's a good. Comp, yeah just from the
Speaker 1: body type perspective and the. Place Jeremiah smith just is
Speaker 1: just a freaking you, Know.
Speaker 2: Jeremiah, okay you know how we always get annoyed when
Speaker 2: people throw out generational, prospect, Right this is why we get,
Speaker 2: annoyed because When Jeremiah smith comes, along we need a
Speaker 2: way to describe.
Speaker 1: Him Maybe Jamar chase, TOO i GUESS i could see that.
Speaker 1: COMP i know that gets thrown.
Speaker 2: Out so When Jeremiah smith got when we finished What
Speaker 2: Jeremiah smith was a true freshman last, year, Right, Yeah
Speaker 2: so when we finished the twenty four, draft, YES i
Speaker 2: started looking at recruiting and the true freshman coming, in
Speaker 2: AND i was Reading Jeremiah smith's, bio which was unbelievable
Speaker 2: on twenty four to.
Speaker 1: SEVEN i was asking people about, it AND i saw
Speaker 1: somebody said somewhere like like he's better Than Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 2: Junior And i'm, like, oh like a better, Prospect like
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a BETTER nfl? Prospect is, no right,
Speaker 2: now he's better Than Marvin Harrison, junior who everybody was
Speaker 2: calling generational coming out of the.
Speaker 1: Draft SO i the one thing that's going to stop
Speaker 1: them Going julio is like high school games are ON. Espn,
Speaker 1: yeah but they, were like they were showing. Him they
Speaker 1: do those Like friday night, lights like high school, specials
Speaker 1: and they would go and they would Show Julio jones'
Speaker 1: high school. Game you don't really, do like who nobody
Speaker 1: gets that? Anymore like where? Then, yeah but that's the last. Name,
Speaker 1: yeah DID i did she do or have one of?
Speaker 1: THOSE i think you had. ONE i don't think he.
Speaker 2: Did he might, have like they televised some high school,
Speaker 2: games but it wasn't because the.
Speaker 1: Cruits so CAN i CAN i bring this back to
Speaker 1: to twenty? SIX i want to give you one more
Speaker 1: thing on next.
Speaker 2: Year by the, Way Jeremiah smith is the ninth highest
Speaker 2: rated recruit in twenty four to seven. History he is
Speaker 2: the highest rated wide. Receiver this is since two, thousand
Speaker 2: so this Includes Julio, jones who is the thirty seventh
Speaker 2: highest rate of all. Time the reason they're not gonna
Speaker 2: go one. TOO i mean they might go one, too
Speaker 2: but if they, Don't Dylan stewart From South, carolina WHO
Speaker 2: i know you watched because he Faced Well, Campbell Dylan
Speaker 2: stewart is maybe it's Not Jeremy, smith maybe he's close
Speaker 2: To Ryan, williams but like he is one of the
Speaker 2: best edge prospects we've. Seen he get AND i mean
Speaker 2: it's the, school but he gets a lot of comps to, clowning.
Speaker 1: Right and that will be the that will be will,
Speaker 1: happen whether It's smith Or. Williams you, know someone's gonna
Speaker 1: fall a couple OF i don't think they're gonna go one.
Speaker 1: TOO i actually don't think they're gonna both. Go like
Speaker 1: there's a chance that one of them, falls like slightly
Speaker 1: just because of Positional Jeremiah smith should go one, One
Speaker 1: yeah he. Might Jeremiah smith is. Different But Ryan williams
Speaker 1: might go like. Six LIKE i wouldn't be, shocked you,
Speaker 1: Know Like Milik neighbors went, Six you, know, LIKE i
Speaker 1: don't think that's out of the. Possible can we get
Speaker 1: back to the twenty six offseason, though because now we're
Speaker 1: two years ahead of. Time but here's let me just
Speaker 1: say this on. That it's that kind of.
Speaker 2: Draft this is a lot of the context for the
Speaker 2: twenty years away from. It you were gonna hear a
Speaker 2: lot during the twenty sixth. Draft, no, okay but if
Speaker 2: they do, this it means they can't get this guy twenty.
Speaker 1: Seven get ready for? That so can we can we
Speaker 1: talk about the twenty six? Offseason? Yeah this is very
Speaker 1: catch twenty. Two they have not played a game in
Speaker 1: twenty five and we're talking about twenty.
Speaker 2: Six but getting too far? Ahead isn't talking about the next?
Speaker 2: Draft is talking about.
Speaker 1: The draft After So nicholas And oslo norway across the.
Speaker 1: Pond he mentions, that you, know what is the our
Speaker 1: biggest needs heading into twenty twenty? Six like what we
Speaker 1: think The patriots' biggest needs will be in twenty? Six
Speaker 1: he MENTIONS x, receiver right, tackle tight. END i would
Speaker 1: say those are all on the. List edge, rusher pass
Speaker 1: rusher is gonna be really.
Speaker 2: High you know how we do like a big three
Speaker 2: needs every. Year, yeah zooming on Our henry stays, healthy
Speaker 2: they're probably year away from tight end on that developmental titands,
Speaker 2: Right but that's not a big three. Thing, sure it's
Speaker 2: the wide, receiver the right, tackle and then that pass.
Speaker 1: Rusher, yeah class rusher might be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a weaker. Class SO I i know it's easy to, say, like,
Speaker 1: oh just go drafted In, hutchinson, right like obviously that's but,
Speaker 1: YEAH i would say a real true three down impact
Speaker 1: pass rusher is probably there still their biggest hole when
Speaker 1: you start to factor in positional value and like all
Speaker 1: that kind of, Stuff, like obviously left guard is probably
Speaker 1: they're truly their biggest hole on their depth chart right.
Speaker 1: Now but you're not. Good hopefully they're not drafting a
Speaker 1: left guard as high as you know in the first. Round,
Speaker 1: well we've been down this road. Before, Yes but even
Speaker 1: if they have a even if they're as good as
Speaker 1: some people think they're gonna be and they're that team
Speaker 1: that goes from worse to first or something like that
Speaker 1: and they make the, playoffs they're picking early twenties and
Speaker 1: they take a left guard THAT i.
Speaker 2: Was gonna, say we've been down that road BEFORE i
Speaker 2: WAS i know you're gonna be. Upset we've been down
Speaker 2: that road. Before there is one pass. Rusher so some
Speaker 2: of the names of the top right, Now Ruben bain From, MIAMI.
Speaker 2: Jt overton From, Alabama Michael, kamara WHO i think some
Speaker 2: people started looking at last. Year he could have come
Speaker 2: out if that's What i'm thinking, Of Denise Dennis sutton
Speaker 2: From Penn, state number thirty. THREE i don't know if
Speaker 2: you recall any of him from Watching Abdul. Carter he
Speaker 2: had he had a really good college football. Playoff he
Speaker 2: had a really good college football. Playoff he's one of,
Speaker 2: these like It's Penn, state freak. Athlete coach him up
Speaker 2: on the skills kind of, thing, like that's a. Guy
Speaker 2: if The patriots are a five hundred team or, BETTER
Speaker 2: i think that's probably gonna be one of the guys
Speaker 2: we're talking.
Speaker 1: About, YEAH i would say right now for, me And
Speaker 1: i'm an offense, guy BUT i would like to see
Speaker 1: them get a pass. Rusher it got off the. Edge you,
Speaker 1: KNOW i say pass, rusher BUT i really mean edge,
Speaker 1: rusher that type of. Player it just seems like that
Speaker 1: would really put a bow on a lot of. Things
Speaker 1: and plus it's also a blue chip. Position it's a
Speaker 1: premium position if you get a boot chip, talent like
Speaker 1: it's another building block type of. Position right where you Have,
Speaker 1: gonzo you Have Drake may hopefully you Have Will campbell
Speaker 1: at left. Tackle and then if you add a premium
Speaker 1: pass rusher to that, too now that's another pillar type
Speaker 1: of player in position that you can stack the board
Speaker 1: on like? That do you to watch some constructive criticism
Speaker 1: that is really just a constructive? Criticism to, me this
Speaker 1: might be like a pu email actually because you're mentioned in,
Speaker 1: it but none of these criticisms are about. You. No,
Speaker 1: no the second ONE i think is more. Pus i'll
Speaker 1: read the first. Criticism he says that on catch twenty, Two, evan.
Speaker 2: We get a, name not get criticized. Anonymously It's jared In.
Speaker 2: La but again he likes. You there's no criticisms of you.
Speaker 1: Here So, evan on catch twenty, two when you wanted
Speaker 1: to say something But alex is, talking you make a
Speaker 1: noise that is unfathomly uncomfortable to. SAY i don't never
Speaker 1: even notice. That it sounds like he types a bunch
Speaker 1: of e's yeah you and, Ah i'm probably saying yeah
Speaker 1: Because i'm agreeing With alex's point or actively listening to his.
Speaker 1: Point it's.
Speaker 2: Okay this could also be one of those things where
Speaker 2: like it's all critical you and then he's watching this
Speaker 2: and it's, like oh, SHOOT i got them mixed.
Speaker 1: Up it happens all the, time BUT i say it
Speaker 1: under my breath and the mic picks it up every every,
Speaker 1: time period after every. Period, LITERALLY i can't describe it.
Speaker 1: BETTER i. CAN i assume he MEANS i. Can he
Speaker 1: SAID i, can't BUT i can describe it better without calling.
Speaker 1: IN i don't. KNOW i Think i'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: me saying, yeah WHICH i do some.
Speaker 2: Type i've never noticed anything out of place in. THAT
Speaker 2: i know you do, that but that's NOT i don't
Speaker 2: think you say it. Weird THAT'S i know people get
Speaker 2: on me for and, yeah AND i know people get
Speaker 2: on me With that's WHERE i thought that was.
Speaker 1: Going, see, YEAH i just did it like oh, that,
Speaker 1: yeah that's. Normal it's. OKAY i don't. Protest i'll take the.
Speaker 1: CRITICISM i. Constructive the other one is more PU I i.
Speaker 1: Think but when we like preface our takes With i'm
Speaker 1: not saying we're fitting him for a red, jacket Or
Speaker 1: i'm not, saying you, know he's gonna be an all
Speaker 1: pro or, anything Or i'm not comparing him To Tom.
Speaker 1: BRADY i get it like those he. Says it's me
Speaker 1: in particular again that does this too. Often but, LOOK
Speaker 1: i do that a. Lot And i'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say this to toot my own. Horn but we're in
Speaker 1: the business where like IF i come on this show
Speaker 1: AND i say That Drake may is gonna is going
Speaker 1: to be the Next Tom, brady that will get clipped
Speaker 1: and then it will be like held over that. Forever
Speaker 1: you've got to qualify stuff in this. Business, Yeah so
Speaker 1: like IF i don't qualify, stuff THEN i leave My
Speaker 1: LIKE I i don't want to get in that sort of. Thing,
Speaker 1: Okay and Again i'm NOT i know that sounded a little.
Speaker 1: Arrogant i'm not trying to be, arrogant But i'm just
Speaker 1: saying that if you say something about a player and
Speaker 1: you're get a little bit, excited and you get a
Speaker 1: little bit over the top about, it then you're you
Speaker 1: will Get. Oh Evan lazar said On catch twenty two
Speaker 1: that you Know Drake may is gonna WIN, Mvp, like,
Speaker 1: NO i didn't say, that, Right so that's why we do.
Speaker 1: That BUT I i. UNDERSTAND i appreciate the constructive. CRITICISMS
Speaker 1: i will work on my. YEAHS I i guess that's
Speaker 1: WHAT i was. AT i think that's what than.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: NO i told you that none of them are about,
Speaker 1: you and they all love, you all, Right, kendall but
Speaker 1: it wasn't even juicy for. You minor. Stuff kendall is
Speaker 1: In North. Carolina what's, Up?
Speaker 4: Kendall, Hey, hey how you?
Speaker 7: Doing he Could, HEY i wanted to, ask what's going
Speaker 7: on with Jaylen. POLK i know he's been, hurt BUT
Speaker 7: i was just seeing him participating like like in most
Speaker 7: of the. Drills look like he's kind of competedive be
Speaker 7: in the, drills going up for the, balls catch and running.
Speaker 7: Around is he just he just can't participate in the
Speaker 7: practice right? Now Or and my second, thing how far
Speaker 7: do you feel he's behind you think you'd be ready to?
Speaker 4: Train?
Speaker 5: Account?
Speaker 1: Yeah so he's uh, Appreciate, Okay, kendell thanks for the.
Speaker 1: Call so he said. That rabel actually said this. Yesterday
Speaker 1: he did have a shoulder procedure in the off. Season
Speaker 1: he indred his shoulder at the very end of last.
Speaker 1: Year it was the last second to last game of the.
Speaker 1: SEASON i want to say it was actually finished the
Speaker 1: year on ir, technically but it. Was it was one like,
Speaker 1: that and he had the. Shoulder he's still coming back from.
Speaker 1: That he is. Running him And digs are on the
Speaker 1: same exact. Program they do absolutely everything in, practice, individuals,
Speaker 1: walkthroughs and then when the live team stuff, starts they
Speaker 1: are off on a side, field so they're all they're
Speaker 1: not the only thing they're not doing is the live
Speaker 1: live team eleven on. Eleven's they are doing everything else
Speaker 1: AND i actually it's routes against air, again same THING
Speaker 1: i said With, Diggs bulk looks like he's in good.
Speaker 1: Shape he's just not cleared for full contact. Yet not
Speaker 1: that we're full contact, now but full, PRACTICE i guess
Speaker 1: is a better way to put. That so that's what he's.
Speaker 1: Doing him And digs have been on the same. Regiment
Speaker 1: they're working together off on this on the other field
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may. Be and when the team
Speaker 1: is running eleven on, eleven's they're running through. Routes it's
Speaker 1: usually With Ashon, grant the offensive assistant that they're running
Speaker 1: routes and it seems like they're trying to mirror what's
Speaker 1: going on on the like the other field and running
Speaker 1: the same type of routes that they would be if
Speaker 1: they were participating in the eleven on. Eleven so that's
Speaker 1: what those guys have been. Doing that was the other
Speaker 1: thing about practice as we wrap up with the show,
Speaker 1: here AND i want to mention one Non patriots thing
Speaker 1: real quick. Too that was one thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me about to practice is just the method of
Speaker 1: the madness of how they structure. Practice AND i want
Speaker 1: to Say bill did, this AND i don't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to say That jirod didn't do, this because maybe they
Speaker 1: did And i'm just not one hundred percent remembering. It
Speaker 1: but there is a very clear build up To Mike
Speaker 1: rabel's practice script where they start practice within these like
Speaker 1: every team, individuals but then they go to like routes
Speaker 1: against air or defense against, air where the rep the
Speaker 1: same stuff they're gonna rep in the eleven on. Elevens
Speaker 1: so they'll do it against, air then they'll do it
Speaker 1: at a jog through pace against the, defense whereas it's
Speaker 1: eleven on, eleven but it's at a slower tempo like
Speaker 1: an upscale walk through and then they get to the
Speaker 1: live team. Drill so by the time they get To
Speaker 1: live eleven on eleven's that's the third time that they've
Speaker 1: repped that set of plays that they're working on in.
Speaker 1: Practice like that's gotta be really helpful for like muscle
Speaker 1: memory and learning the. Plays so you have this like
Speaker 1: clear build up from routes on, air walk through reps
Speaker 1: live eleven on eleven and they just like do that
Speaker 1: as like a circuit each, day and then each day
Speaker 1: is you, know obviously the plays are a little bit,
Speaker 1: different but even some of the uh between the twenties
Speaker 1: eleven on, elevens when they're doing base, stuff it's clearly
Speaker 1: the same play as each.
Speaker 2: Day, well AND i think some of it too is
Speaker 2: we talked earlier about just how practice there's a good
Speaker 2: flow to.
Speaker 1: Practice everything's, moving they're not.
Speaker 2: Stopping you can fix what you need fix during those
Speaker 2: slower periods when you get into the up tempo rat
Speaker 2: parts moving because you've already kind of made the.
Speaker 1: Corrections, yeah it's you can see. It and then there's
Speaker 1: times where you literally will see a guy against air
Speaker 1: run a route and then you go fast forward to
Speaker 1: the eleven on eleven and he wins on the route
Speaker 1: on eleven on, eleven and it's, like, oh, okay well
Speaker 1: they practiced that earlier and now they're doing. It borne
Speaker 1: had one the other, day ran that circus route where
Speaker 1: you fake like you're gonna break inside and then you
Speaker 1: break out on the out and and he ran that
Speaker 1: route perfectly in the, drill and then he ran it
Speaker 1: perfectly in eleven on elevens and caught a touchdown in red.
Speaker 1: Zone so that was a that's a very clear kind
Speaker 1: of structure to. Practice all, RIGHT a couple more questions
Speaker 1: from the, emails and THEN i want TO i want
Speaker 1: to talk like two minutes On Roman anthony Because i'm
Speaker 1: really excited About Roman, anthony all, right AND i gotta
Speaker 1: get this. Out but in a, second this is a good,
Speaker 1: question in your, opinion who on the roster would you
Speaker 1: trade and? Why who on the roster would trading?
Speaker 2: WHY i just think if they have players with trade,
Speaker 2: value they probably shouldn't be trading those guys because they
Speaker 2: need the.
Speaker 1: Talent that's a tough. Question do you have an? Answer
Speaker 1: it's Between Kendrick born And Kishan. Boody, YEAH i guess
Speaker 1: a wide receiver would be my. Answer so we both
Speaker 1: did our run throughs of a roster. Projection so far
Speaker 1: you're gonna post, YOURS i think right, on, yeah on
Speaker 1: The Sports. Up so maybe Next, wednesday well we'll talk
Speaker 1: more in depth about roster projections and do that sort
Speaker 1: of thing on the. Air but the we both sort
Speaker 1: of got settled on maybe seven guys in the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: ROOM i just feel it just feels one. Heavy and
Speaker 1: if you're gonna Keep Afton, chisholm if he's truly gonna
Speaker 1: be here and is already stamped the roster and things
Speaker 1: like not, already but is going to treading in that,
Speaker 1: direction it just seems like they have a lot of
Speaker 1: bodies there AND i don't, know maybe It's, born maybe It's,
Speaker 1: Booty maybe it's just which ever guy has the most
Speaker 1: trade value in that. Room no offense or anything to
Speaker 1: any of these, players but, yeah Like Javon, BAKER i
Speaker 1: just don't know what kind of trade value you're gonna
Speaker 1: have With Javon. Baker you, know he's probably a guy that's,
Speaker 1: Expendable but it's hard to sit here and say you're
Speaker 1: gonna get anything, Back like if you could get something.
Speaker 1: Back you, know day three pick For booty or born like,
Speaker 1: that that's probably worth. It maybe if you feel like
Speaker 1: you have a logjam in numbers, there what position would
Speaker 1: you look to add and?
Speaker 2: Why WHAT i mean starting left guard for free. Safety
Speaker 2: i've been on. THIS i think that They Craig. Woodson he,
Speaker 2: honestly he's just been so good in. Coverage, yeah like
Speaker 2: at the you, know at line of scrimmage man. COVERAGE
Speaker 2: i don't know THAT i want them in center. FIELD
Speaker 2: i don't know if that's the best use of his skill.
Speaker 1: SET i would say left guard as. WELL i pass
Speaker 1: strusher is definitely up there. Too Ed, dresher if they
Speaker 1: could pull off a Trade hendrickson trade or who's the
Speaker 1: other guy's holding? OUT Tj, Watt, yeah OBVIOUSLY i would
Speaker 1: do that if it's if it's available and it makes
Speaker 1: sense with the picks and all that stuff that would
Speaker 1: have to go, Back but you could probably find a
Speaker 1: veteran left guard that you could just plug in And
Speaker 1: i'll hold them to it on This this was one
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about on this show all off.
Speaker 1: Season we just were looking for them to add that
Speaker 1: one year stop gap left. Guard, yeah who was The
Speaker 1: Morgan moses of left, guards, right, like just get that
Speaker 1: guy so that you can kick that can down the
Speaker 1: road and then invest in that later. On but get
Speaker 1: through the season with a serviceable. Player did they think
Speaker 1: it Was Wes. SCHWEITZER i don't, know maybe they. Did
Speaker 1: it would seem like early on maybe they thought that
Speaker 1: who's that's who it was going to. Be BUT i
Speaker 1: never felt great about. THAT i compared him To Michael
Speaker 1: jordan last. YEAR i thought that was the level of
Speaker 1: Player jordan ended, up, Right so that was one, Thing and,
Speaker 1: yes it was one thing they might have missed out
Speaker 1: on this, Offseason BUT i don't hold it too much
Speaker 1: against them because if that's the one thing they they
Speaker 1: didn't hit this, offseason then they had a pretty good.
Speaker 1: Offseason it's a left. Guard it's not like they ignored left,
Speaker 1: tackle so, right SO i give them a break and
Speaker 1: that you probably weren't going to be able to hit
Speaker 1: everything that you needed in one. Offseason but could you
Speaker 1: have paid a little bit more for a free agent
Speaker 1: guard who was a little bit better Than Wes schweitzer
Speaker 1: that you knew was going to play this, year and
Speaker 1: not that you could have predicted a? Retirement But Wes
Speaker 1: schweitzer was a journeyman. Guard that is not one snap last. Year, yeah,
Speaker 1: Right so could you have done a little bit more
Speaker 1: at that? Spot would be the one second GUESS i would.
Speaker 1: HAVE i know they're probably bigger second, guesses like A
Speaker 1: Dk metcalf trade or something like, that but that was
Speaker 1: a spot that could have been that should have been
Speaker 1: more easily filled in my. Opinion all, right so that's the.
Speaker 1: SHOW i know everybody hates WHEN i do, this but
Speaker 1: last two Nights i've been watching Some Red sox Because
Speaker 1: Roman anthony is up for The Red sox AND I
Speaker 1: i was excited, Mildly, alex and you're the baseball guy,
Speaker 1: here so that's Why i'm talking to you about. THIS
Speaker 1: i was excited mildly About mayor And hamble a, little,
Speaker 1: yeah but just based off of my very uneducated, opinion
Speaker 1: Like Roman anthony seems like a lot better. Player he's
Speaker 1: a different level of.
Speaker 2: Prospect, YEAH i don't know that he's a different level
Speaker 2: of player right, now but like he's gonna get. There you,
Speaker 2: know he has the potential to be a five tool.
Speaker 2: Guy very excited about.
Speaker 1: Him you saw it last, Night like they don't and
Speaker 1: some of this is the, approach and we don't need
Speaker 1: to get into that whole, thing but, like, yeah they
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of guys who hit the way
Speaker 1: the hit the ball the way he did last night
Speaker 1: to just kind of find that space down the line
Speaker 1: in driving a couple of.
Speaker 2: Runs like they they're just kind of swinging out of
Speaker 2: their shoes a. Lot so you, know his nuanced approached,
Speaker 2: plate you, know he's he's ahead on that and he
Speaker 2: made the air and right field he probably shouldn't be
Speaker 2: playing right. Field, uh you know he's a left. Fielder
Speaker 2: but he's.
Speaker 1: A like he's the number. One he wasn't just their
Speaker 1: number one. Prospect he was the number one prospect in.
Speaker 2: Baseball there's juice there that that being a number one
Speaker 2: prospect in baseball at whatever point in your, career being
Speaker 2: that almost equation as much to being a first overall
Speaker 2: pick as being a first overall pick in baseball. Does
Speaker 2: like that's the prospect rankings are as much draft rankings
Speaker 2: as the actual draft. Rankings it takes them more, time,
Speaker 2: right so you've proven you can do it at one.
Speaker 2: Point SO i mean almost think of this like the
Speaker 2: first overall picks coming.
Speaker 1: In that's the. Way that's why it feels and just you,
Speaker 1: know again my very uneducated baseball, opinion just watching the
Speaker 1: swing and when he does make, contact even when he makes,
Speaker 1: out it's like he makes hard. Contact, Yeah so that
Speaker 1: was the big book liner off the. Pitcher that was
Speaker 1: like one hundred something miles an hour off the.
Speaker 2: Bat they have something called barrel, percentage which is, basically
Speaker 2: what percent of the time that you hit the ball
Speaker 2: are you hitting the ball with.
Speaker 1: The part of the bath you're supposed to hit it.
Speaker 2: With and he was putting up like goofy numbers in
Speaker 2: the miners, percentage, exit, velocity all that, stuff which it
Speaker 2: could not be the be all end all of. Evaluation,
Speaker 2: well but it's a definitive.
Speaker 1: Number so that's one of those. Ones hit the way
Speaker 1: he swings, too, Though and he's this, big tall dude
Speaker 1: six foot three six y. Four he's got you, know
Speaker 1: long lake you aren't when he gets the arm, extend
Speaker 1: like you can tell that he's just gonna be able
Speaker 1: to hit the ball a mile and he hits it.
Speaker 1: Hard LIKE i, said even some of these outs that he's,
Speaker 1: MAKING i know he's only as a one hit in two,
Speaker 1: games but some of the outs that he's made are
Speaker 1: just hard hit balls or like the fly balls that
Speaker 1: he hits Like opo to left, field like he's still getting,
Speaker 1: it like pretty close to the, monster you, know like
Speaker 1: you were still.
Speaker 2: And that's, early like usually the first couple of weeks
Speaker 2: during an adjustment.
Speaker 1: Period, yeah a lot Of i'm not a big baseball
Speaker 1: prospects guy and like some like we were furious like
Speaker 1: two years ago that weren't Calling, Marcelo, yeah because it's
Speaker 1: ridiculous the way that they baby these. Guys and then
Speaker 1: on top of, that you like we had so many
Speaker 1: as kids Like Blake swihart and like all these like
Speaker 1: Other Anderson he's Not he's Not Blake, Swihart like it's
Speaker 1: this is just For Roman. Anthony you. Have there's different
Speaker 1: than sufferable to handholding you these.
Speaker 2: Guys to be up at twenty. One players don't come
Speaker 2: up with twenty one years. Old they don't nine a rare.
Speaker 1: Player, okay everybody tells Me Roman anthony is a rare.
Speaker 1: Player what took so? Long so this this was. Different
Speaker 1: this was not about his he was ready to.
Speaker 2: Play the international guys are different than the high school
Speaker 2: like different development paths for an international signing versus a
Speaker 2: high School this is What if baseball really wants to
Speaker 2: get people excited in the young players and they want
Speaker 2: more of, this they need to do a couple of. Things,
Speaker 2: one everybody's in the. Draft no more international. Signing everybody's
Speaker 2: in the. Draft, two no more drafting out of high.
Speaker 2: School everybody's gonna go play, college and that will shorten
Speaker 2: that minor league, windows so guys will come right. Up and,
Speaker 2: then uh was they gotta let teams trade draft.
Speaker 1: Picks the only place doesn't do it like THE. Nba
Speaker 1: basically basically, yeah all, right but with a more functional minor.
Speaker 1: League all, right so we have to. Go But i'm.
Speaker 1: CALLING i Think Roman anthony is going to be a.
Speaker 1: STAR i really. DO i just LIKE i think he's.
Speaker 1: RELAXED i think he's, cool.
Speaker 2: And you know WHAT i like about, Him Ted, Williams,
Speaker 2: Yazz Jim, Rice Many. Ramirez The Red sox when they are,
Speaker 2: good they have a top player in left. Field they
Speaker 2: have not had a star left fielder really since me And,
Speaker 2: hey as much AS i Love Jason bay, so, like
Speaker 2: this is a chance they got to Get Roman anthony
Speaker 2: in the left, field and once they, do like, here we.
Speaker 1: Go it's just one of those. Positions it's kind of
Speaker 1: a bell.
Speaker 4: Cow.
Speaker 1: Yeah in when they have a star left, fielder they're generally.
Speaker 1: Good they have a chance to have a star left fielder.
Speaker 1: Here all, right we'll be back next. Week The patriots
Speaker 1: are on summer, break but we are not. Yet we
Speaker 1: will have a little bit of a break which we
Speaker 1: can talk about in a few. Weeks but this we'll
Speaker 1: be back next. Week we'll keep you carried through these
Speaker 1: five or six weeks until training camp. Starts maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do a little live roster projection type thing off Of
Speaker 1: alex's roster projection next, week which will be. Good but
Speaker 1: keep it, here don't go, anywhere don't go on summer.
Speaker 1: Break From catch twenty. Two we'll be here with you
Speaker 1: guys all the way till training. Camp so thanks for.
Speaker 1: Listening we'll see you next. Time For Evan, lazard The
Speaker 1: alex Is alex behind The, Glass Alex, bart thanks for.
Speaker 1: Watching we'll see you guys next. Week, hey this Is.
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