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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: He joined us always by our bard. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bars. I would put David Andrews in

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Speaker 1: terms of guys that I just enjoyed covering the most.

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Speaker 1: I would put David Andrews on my personal nout rushmore

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Speaker 1: up there with Devin mccordy, with Matthew Slater and those Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know Matt Russ four, but I think that those

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Speaker 1: three kind of stand alone for me as just perfect Patriots,

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Speaker 1: like just perfect on and off the field.

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Speaker 2: All throw in there too. And this was one of

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Speaker 2: the first guys we ever talked to was Dante Hidawer.

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Speaker 2: He's he definitely knew how much.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know what we were doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, did you get one question something

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Speaker 2: like that. He's like, you can talk to me once

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Speaker 2: a week or something. Yeah, it was like it was funny.

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Speaker 2: He was always really good to us.

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny. Was that's a good you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: giving us a little rookie moment. Yeah, he would do that,

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Speaker 1: and he was he was kidding, but he's also not kidding, and.

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Speaker 2: It had to be good, and it had to be good,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't answer.

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Speaker 1: I remember one time I tried to ask him another

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Speaker 1: question a couple of days later, and he remembered. He said,

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Speaker 1: You've already asked me your question this week. I'm not

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Speaker 1: answering it. He was kidding, But yeah, he's he's definitely

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Speaker 1: he was great. Yeah, he's definitely on that list as well.

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Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, Hello, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two with you for the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 1: Good story time there, good good recollection of our our

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Speaker 1: young days on the beat. More that come in the

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Speaker 1: next five weeks, I'll tell you, Oh yeah, yeah. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good segue though, Alex, and we

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Speaker 1: got Alex Barth here, Alex behind the glass, Alex is

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Speaker 1: with me, and I think it's a good segue into

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about off the top of

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Speaker 1: the show here with coming off camp two days out there,

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Speaker 1: I mean camp. We were both there for the last

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Speaker 1: our time, and I'll just speak for myself, I early

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Speaker 1: on in my time would come out in the spring

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Speaker 1: and just overrate everything that I saw this time of year.

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Speaker 1: You know, this guy's gonna be a star. That guy's

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, be he's gonna stink. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is my guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, we always make fun of Maurice Harris, but

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Speaker 1: it's the Maurice Harris of it all. We're making fun

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Speaker 1: of us, yes, for what we thought about. Good point,

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Speaker 1: there's that element of this whole time of year as always.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that, you know, just along those lines,

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Speaker 1: like I really want to drink the kool aid with

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Speaker 1: optimistic about what they put together.

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Speaker 1: They they had a really good off season. They had

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Speaker 1: they had a good spring. I thought the practices were

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Speaker 1: and drink it. What's your favorite kol Aid? Do you

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Speaker 1: have a favorite one? Oh? Man, I just the lemonade. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Put sugar in, which probably wasn't the healthiest thing to do.

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Speaker 1: You would put sugar in the kool aid.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do remember, okay, I do remember that. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, So back on football. I want to drink the

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree, and I think the hardest part about

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Speaker 1: you can't be that predictable. You have to change it

435
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 1: up and the defense. The front also dictates like where

436
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: you're sliding and where you're man to mand and all

437
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But in general, if that's like

438
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: the rule of thumb, then they can cover up for

439
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 1: a left guard that isn't the best. They can cover

440
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: up for a center, you know, Garrett Bradbury that has

441
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: some limitations because of his size and his play strength

442
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: and things like that in the past game. So you

443
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: can cover up stuff like that. It's doable. I just

444
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: it's another area of the team that I still think

445
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: that they're They're maybe one year away from truly fixing it.

446
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: They made strides this offseason, but now there's other holes

447
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: that have presented themselves and things like that. Andrews gets

448
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: cut and retires. You know, left guard hasn't really gone

449
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: the way that they necessarily plan. Now. The two guys

450
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: at left guard, I want to mention before we move on,

451
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: Cayden Wallace, who saw some reps at left guard during

452
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Mini camp, which I don't think is a small thing.

453
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: I think that's actually something we should focus on because

454
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: coming out of college at Penn State, there were a

455
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: group of people in the scouting community and in the

456
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: media who felt like he was a guard in the

457
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: NFL and not a tackle. He was one of those

458
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: tackle to guard converts types of guys. So we see

459
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: this a lot in college left and right tackles. They

460
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: just don't have the foot speed, or they don't have

461
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: the length, or they don't have something to play tackle

462
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL, so they move him inside the guard

463
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: and they're pretty good guard. So I do think Kidd

464
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: and Wallace could be a pretty good guard. So maybe

465
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Speaker 1: he's a left guard. And I'm still holding out hope.

466
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: We didn't see him much this spring. He's limited with something,

467
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: but I still believe that Jared Wilson could be heard

468
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Speaker 1: from in this competition as well. Maybe he starts his

469
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Speaker 1: career at left guard instead of center. So those two

470
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: guys are younger guys that maybe have a little bit

471
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: more upside or unknown compared to Cole Strange, which I

472
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: think we kind of know what he is at this point,

473
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: So maybe those two could eventually push Cole Strange. I

474
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: have no idea, you know, it's just a spring. No

475
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: clue what's going on with Leyden Robinson doesn't seem like

476
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: he's someone that's right now at least in the plan.

477
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: And then Cities is still kicking around too. He's still

478
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: around and could be in that Jack Connelly and there

479
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: tim Jack Conley is a good one too, I mean

480
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: because he can you know, maybe not as a starter ultimately,

481
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: but like he can play four positions. Yeah, and he's

482
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: got tremendous size, and I think that value probably helps

483
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Speaker 1: him push for a roster spot.

484
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Speaker 2: And then if he's doing that, you know, again that

485
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: left guard competition's wide open, maybe he kind of sneaks

486
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Speaker 2: in there.

487
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Speaker 1: So the other thing on offense, you know, offensive line

488
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: is the biggest small sea concern right now for me,

489
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Speaker 1: because if you give McDaniels a functional offensive line and

490
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Speaker 1: a good quarterback, they have enough weapons that I feel

491
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: like he can mix it up and he can figure

492
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: it out schematically. It gives you almost like a twenty

493
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: twenty one vibe at that point, with maybe even a

494
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: better quarterback, so you might even be better than you

495
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: were in twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one that the

496
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: skill positions were fine, but they weren't anything special. You know,

497
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: is Nelson agil or, Kendrick Bourne, Jacobe Myers, Henry Ormandre

498
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: still right. It wasn't like it. They were the seven Patriots,

499
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: like they had some guys, but it wasn't great. So

500
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: they were a good offense to you know, above average

501
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: offense that year. I don't see why they couldn't be

502
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: this year if they have the line play and the

503
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: quarterback play. The outside receiver spot still also feels like

504
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a small sea concern. They played

505
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: a lot of packages this week and in the spring

506
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: in general. It's a lot of Kishan Boodie, who I

507
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: like as a player. He's a fine player. But every

508
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: team is going to know they're gonna want to funnel

509
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: the ball through the middle of the field. Pop Douglass

510
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: caught like a million passes over the last two days.

511
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is going to be a big part of

512
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: the Stefan Diggs when he's healthy, is going to be

513
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: a big part of the things. And all those guys

514
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: feature or you know, I would assume are going to

515
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: be in those McDaniels, you know, slot receiver, tight end

516
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: over the middle, like that kind of role. So what

517
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: do they do They have anything on the outside to

518
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: at least make the defense respect it. Maybe that's Diggs,

519
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Kyle Williams if he can emerge and that I.

520
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: Think they want Kyle Williams as the X. There's also

521
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: Mac Hollins, who we didn't I mean, he was out there.

522
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: But he wasn't in uniform. He's dealing with something who

523
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see.

524
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably between you know, I almost wonder

525
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: if they want to move booty back to the Z

526
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: where he's the more natural fit and it's Mac Hollins

527
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams for the X.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kyle Williams maybe the catch a camp of

529
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: mini camp with the bomb on Monday, right, he catches

530
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: runs right through the middle of his own defense. Looked

531
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: like it was cover two. Linebacker is trying to carry

532
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: him up up the hole, the pole runner, and he

533
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: just ran right by the linebacker and caught about a

534
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: forty five forty four forty five yard bob from Josh Dobbs.

535
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: Not press though, No, there wasn't where he's not contacted. Right,

536
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: yesterday we got into practice and he had a one

537
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: on one on the outside against Christian Gonzales and it,

538
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, second team All Pro did second team All

539
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Pro things. So I'm not saying like that's not to

540
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: be overly critical of Kyle Williams. He's a rookie third

541
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Speaker 1: round pick going up against a top five to six

542
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: corner in the NFL. He's probably gonna have some ups

543
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: and downs against Christian Gonzales. But can Kyle Williams get

544
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: off press? Can he get off the line of scrimmage

545
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: against physical press man coverage? At five ten one ninety.

546
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: He's got a great release package, he's got great quicklins

547
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: off the line, But when guys get into his grill

548
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: and get into his airspace, is he going to be

549
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: able to get off the line of scrimmage in you

550
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: know a good amount of time, right, you know, on time,

551
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: all those types of things. I think that's a question

552
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: mark with him. I feel like they're gonna always, like

553
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: with McDaniels, and I want to get into some of

554
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: the McDaniels stuff, They're always going to have that middle

555
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: of the field option. I just feel like he's always

556
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: going to find a way to get slot receivers and

557
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: tight ends and running backs the ball. Are they going

558
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: to have enough on the outside? It would be the

559
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: other thing to me when we're talking about the ceiling

560
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: of this offense and how far they really could go.

561
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I like Keishawan Boodie, like I said, it still feels

562
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: like they're begging for more there though a little bit,

563
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe again maybe it's just the fact

564
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: that Digs isn't in team drills, right, I think that's

565
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, So maybe that and mac collins,

566
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Like I think those are two guys that are going

567
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: to be involved that we didn't get to see how

568
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: they're going to be using. Yeah, okay, so Kampleman sandwich.

569
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: Those are my small sea concerns on offense. The other

570
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: positive I want to talk about on offense is just

571
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: some of the things that we saw already from McDaniels

572
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: and the different things that they're going to incorporate within

573
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: this offense. I'm mostly really excited about. I think there's

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Honestly from what I saw

575
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: out of this offense or some of the old McDaniel staples.

576
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, the quick game and

577
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: the shotgun package in the way they call the offense

578
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: from the shotgun for the most part, is gonna be

579
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: pretty much you're everyone's gonna kind of recognize it. You know,

580
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: you're gonna understand what you're watching. There's maybe a little

581
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: bit of West Coast flavor going in there from under center.

582
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. Uh, And I still feel like

583
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: there's a dimension that maybe we'll see what Drake may

584
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: as a runner, you know, those types of things. It's

585
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: it's really what I wanted them to do. For the

586
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: most part, I really thought that what he showed at

587
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: least in mini camp and granted, you know, these are

588
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: base plays and we have a long way to go,

589
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: but it's encouraging. The other thing I wanted to point

590
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: out was there's a lot of stuff going on in

591
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: the backfield, like with running backs and stuff. I think

592
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna be it's gonna be a big running back here.

593
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: There's a chance that we're pony expressing, you know, going

594
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: back to the sm days, right, Like, there's a chance

595
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: that that's happening. Oh wait, that's not why they're called

596
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: the pony express. Yeah, it is Craig James and Eric Dickerson.

597
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: Right, but not because of the formation. It's because they're

598
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: the Mustangs. No, is that what the pony is? That

599
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: why that sets called pony? Yes, I didn't actually know that.

600
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: I like, I like what I teach you something like that,

601
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: I feel did I feel like that's normally the other

602
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: way around?

603
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: I figured, Well, I figured that term existed before nineteen

604
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: eighty two.

605
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that's why they

606
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: call it pony pony package anyways. Interesting, So I think

607
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: we could see some of that, and you could see

608
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: the complimentary skill sets because reminder Stevenson is that power back,

609
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: bigger back, and then they have these speedbacks with Antonio

610
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Gibson and Trayvon Henderson especially that they compliment each other

611
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: really well and there's some different things they can do.

612
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: There's obviously a brock Lampy element to this as well,

613
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: a full back element that I think is going to

614
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: be there too, and in this offense. So there's there

615
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: was a lot going on in the batfield, like they

616
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: have different formations, different looks, you know, different personnel groupings.

617
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: It was it was interesting. I don't know what all

618
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: of it, if all of it will right right, This

619
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: might be let's just throw as much as we see

620
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: what yeh, try see what we can do. Yeah, see

621
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: what works. But there was a lot of that going

622
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: on as well.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's this is what we talked about when

624
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: they hired McDaniels, was it's going to be there's a

625
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: big variation. Seeing the Josh McDaniels offense doesn't really mean

626
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: anything because there are so many different iterations of it

627
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: and he looks like he's really empty the back.

628
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's so that's my compliment, Sandwich. I

629
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about a bunch of other things from

630
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: uh mini camp as well, So keep it going here

631
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: and then we'll take your calls and emails. See the emails.

632
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: I see the calls. We'll get to those in a

633
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: few minutes, I promise. But the other big talking pointer

634
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: storyline that we got to touch on coming out of

635
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: mini campus Stefon Diggs and seeing Steffan Diggs really for

636
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: the first time. We saw him at that ot A

637
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: right last week. So we've seen three practices now Stefon Diggs,

638
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just talking about the football. He didn't do

639
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: any team drills yet and he's still not cleared for

640
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: He did like some team walked through, not any fold.

641
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: So I like to see that because that tells me

642
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: that they think it could be early, sooner rather than

643
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: later once we get the training camp. So they want

644
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to make sure he's on the same wavelength in terms

645
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: of learning everything as everybody else. So that's a good side.

646
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, even though his routes are against air,

647
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: when he was turning it on on some of those routes,

648
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I think Mark Daniels posted a video of him kind

649
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: of opening it up in some routes against air type stuff,

650
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: and he looks great. I mean his leg, the injured

651
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: leg is clearly smaller than the healthy legs. Still, he

652
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: still got to add some like muscle mass back to

653
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: that leg. But the twitchiness and the explosiveness look like

654
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs to me, like he looked really good moving

655
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: out there, especially relative to how close he He just

656
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: tores acl in October, and he looks miles ahead of

657
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: other guys that we've seen in this position. So he

658
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: said his goal was to be ready for week one.

659
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling it out. I think there's a real

660
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: possibility that he's ready for week one based off of

661
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: what we've seen.

662
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, he's not one hundred percent yet, but he's

663
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: got what three months, right, yeah, to get there, and

664
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 2: he doesn't seem very far away. So I yeah, he

665
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: looks like a guy that could play week one certainly.

666
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was good. He talked yesterday for the

667
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: first time as well since for the in the spring,

668
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: since his introductory press conference goals to be ready week one.

669
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I thought the other thing that stood out besides all

670
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: the other stuff, was the fact that there's a lot

671
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: of overlap for him and from Brian Dable which I

672
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: think you probably could have guessed. But right that helps,

673
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: It definitely helps. He said, there's some of the terminology

674
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: is slightly different, but for the most part the concepts

675
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: are the same. So they might call it something different

676
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: here than Brian Dable called it, but he's still running

677
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: the same rout. It's still those same mechanics of the row.

678
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: Whether there's an adjustment or there's a sight adjuster, or

679
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, it's all the same. So

680
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: that's good. I think he'll pick it up quickly. Looked

681
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: good out there. That could be the missing ingredient. Maybe

682
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: that would make me feel better, the whole outside receiver

683
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: thing that I was talking about earlier. So that's the fun.

684
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Diggs the other there's one other thing on offense that

685
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up. Oh yeah, there's some scuttle butt,

686
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: some talk about Pop Douglas and where does he fit

687
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: into this whole equation fits I'll tell you that he

688
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: could he get eftin Chisholmed and you know, could he

689
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: be a surprise cut candidate if you will, like all

690
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: those you know, talk radio things that we do. That's

691
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: not happening. I don't think that's happening. I think that

692
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: that is we basically ruled that out this week in

693
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: my opinion. Now he is a jitterbug slot receiver in

694
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: non padded practices, so he should look great. This is

695
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: this is his time to shine like this is basically

696
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: glorified flag football. He should be a stud in these

697
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: types of practices. But to his credit, he was awesome

698
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: for two straight.

699
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: Down And we've seen him, We've seen it translate when

700
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: the pads come on before, so it's not like we

701
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 2: have nothing to go off of. He looked exactly at

702
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: home and the mcdan slot receiver role, all those slot routes,

703
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: and one of the things that really impressed me watching

704
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: him run routes this week was how well he was

705
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: adjusting the route based off the coverage. And you know,

706
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: all those those routes on the inside have a bunch

707
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: of options on them, and you're.

708
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: Reading leverage, you're reading man zone. You know, too high,

709
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you're sitting here one high, he might be sitting someplace else.

710
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: You're breaking away from man. You're reading leverage. So if

711
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: the defender is outside of you, you're breaking inside. If

712
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: he's inside, you're breaking outside. Like all that kind of stuff,

713
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: and he was doing all of it pretty seamlessly, and

714
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: they were finding matchups for him. He's getting on linebackers

715
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. In the middle field. It looked

716
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: like Edelman, Welker, Troy Brown, Dion Branch like. It looked

717
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: like all those types of guys doing it at a

718
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: really high level. He was open for two straight days

719
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: pretty much all the time, and that was really good

720
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: to see. I pot Douglas is a lock on this team. Yes, right,

721
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: he always was, but I'm not wrong to say that

722
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: there were people that were people sitting that those people

723
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: were wrong. Yeah, okay, I'm glad with his stat much that.

724
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: So those are my offens thing. Is there anything I missed?

725
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I tried to jot these all down and make sure

726
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: we got to everything. Josh Dobbs had a couple of

727
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: nice throws. Josh Dobbs can. Josh Dobbs is a classic

728
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: veteran backup. In Mini camp, like Brian Hoyer was the same.

729
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, he's no like Training Camp Brian

730
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Hoyer was MVP one of the most fun things I've

731
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 2: ever seen. Yeah, training Camp Brian Hoyer stands alone. But yeah,

732
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: Dobbs definitely has some of that where he'll he'll go

733
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: out there and sling and he hit.

734
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: He had the deep throw to to Kyle Williams, yep,

735
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was.

736
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: He had one yesterday. It wasn't deep, but he'd fit

737
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: the ball in like a really tight window.

738
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: That again, you're probably not testing, but he's testing it

739
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: because it's it's practice and he knows his role and

740
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: looked fair. I thought, I thought, you know, he had

741
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: had a couple bad picks as well, but I thought,

742
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: there's he's got more live than arm than maybe I

743
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: thought he. It's always the guys like Josh Dobbs who

744
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a time in the league

745
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: and a little bit of confidence and also just like

746
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: they don't give an f Like if Josh Dobbs was

747
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: a pick in this practice, does he care, No, he

748
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: doesn't care. Like he cares, but like it's not like

749
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: no pressure on Josh Dobbs to avoid turnovers and things

750
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: like that. So a lot of these veteran backup quarterbacks

751
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: in these practice they just rip it. They just rip it.

752
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: And all of them can throw like they're all NFL quarterbacks,

753
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: so they all have, you know, good arms, and they

754
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: can all put it there and all that kind of stuff,

755
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: especially when it's you know, glorified seven on seven and

756
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: there's really no live pass rush.

757
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, he did make some good None of them

758
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: rip it like Brian hoyre No, he come out with

759
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: the dark visor and just Brian Hoyer and I say,

760
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: practice squad, not practice squad.

761
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: Training camp. Brian Hoyer was me playing Matt. I say

762
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: this a little bit tongue in cheek, like training camp.

763
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer what like had some moments that were like

764
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: Brady esque, right, Like obviously Brady was Brady, but like

765
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: there were times where Brian Hoyer would make just as

766
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: good of a throw, like you were just like, wow,

767
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: that was an absolute dime. Now Brady would make that

768
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: throw like ten times in a row, and that was

769
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: the difference. But like, yeah, Brian Hoyer is definitely all

770
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: training camp team. Josh Dobbs might be close. Josh Oobs.

771
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: Guy has some moments. He can put the ball, He

772
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: can put the ball on guys. Yeah, he can absolutely good.

773
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Point oh really quickly. Also, before we move on to

774
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: the defensive side, running back, running back's interesting Trayvon Henderson

775
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: and Antonio Gibson feel redundant. Now there's still a role

776
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: for both those guys, right, that's not necessarily a bad

777
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: thing because they need to carry at least three. But

778
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I was playing around with the roster projection. I know

779
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: you're playing around with the roster projection as well. Between Gibson, Henderson, Larison, Like,

780
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: those three guys are probably the most likely. Obviously Henderson's

781
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: going to be on the team, but those three guys

782
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: behind Ramandre Stevenson, those four are really what we're talking

783
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: about at running back. Those three Gibson, Henderson, Larison kind

784
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: of are very redundant, very you know, similar to each other.

785
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: Do they have room for all three of those because

786
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: when I was doing the rows for projection, I wasn't

787
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: sure if they needed to carry four.

788
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's a guarantee that they

789
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: keep all of them, but I certainly think they have room.

790
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Especially you know, if you keep a guy like Marcus

791
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: Bryant or Jack Conley or King Wallas can play some

792
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: guard like that saves you an offensive lineman.

793
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: How many safeties are they really gonna keep? Maybe we

794
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't really get to tight ends.

795
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: I'll use this as an excuse to talk about tight ends,

796
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: they may only keep two tight ends right away. Yeah,

797
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: because nobody from that third tight end group emerged this spring.

798
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: And look, there's still ways to go, but just just

799
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: looking at it, if you know, between CJ.

800
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: DePree, jahem Bell, G.

801
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Scott, and Jack Westover and I think all like west

802
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: Over got a lot of run. I'm not rolling any

803
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: of those guys out, but none of them really had

804
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: any moments in the spring. You can get You're probably

805
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: not gonna keep all four on the practice squad. You

806
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: can get two of those guys to practice squad, maybe three,

807
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 2: and you can just elevate as you need and eventually

808
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: a roster spot will open up. So never really gonna

809
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: keep two tight ends to start fourth running back makes

810
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: a lot of sense.

811
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: When when I looked at tight end, I did feel

812
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: fel the same way. Do you need to keep all

813
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: those guys on the roster There are so many with

814
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: all the new rules, with the practice squad, with the

815
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: elevations and all that stuff. If you really feel like

816
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: you need a third tight end on game day, it's

817
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: pretty easy to just elevate that plan right now from

818
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: the practice squad for the short term and then there's

819
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: all Unfortunately, there's always injuries and ir stints and things

820
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: like that that open up roster spots if you feel

821
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: like you run out of elevations and you need to

822
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: put that guy on the fifty three man roster. So

823
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: there's definitely ways to go with that. But I agree,

824
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like any of those tight ends really

825
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: separated themselves where if you're gonna be the third tight

826
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: end on this team, you're gonna have to earn that role.

827
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: It's not like just a we need to have three

828
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: tight ends, so we're just gonna put this guy on

829
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: the team. You're gonna have to earn it, especially with

830
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: the flexibility from the practice squad. Now, I'll give my

831
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: guy a CG dupre training camp because he's a pads

832
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: on guy, he's a blocker, he's an inline tight end.

833
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if this time year is really c

834
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: G dupreeze time to shine. Probably not. But I didn't

835
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: think any one of those guys stood out either. So

836
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, you know, Henry Hooper

837
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: definitely on the team at tight end, and then Brock

838
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Lampy if they want to have a full back package.

839
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: There's only one full back on this team right now,

840
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: and that's what it felt like. I compared it the

841
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: other day to in lacrosse in high school when I

842
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: was on JV. We only had one goalie, so there

843
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: was no debate about who was going to be the

844
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: starting goalie. There's no competition because we only had one goalie.

845
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: So every single time they called the full back on

846
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: the field, there was only one guy on the ninety

847
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: man roster that was running on the field and it

848
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: was Brock Lampy. So you know, maybe that's the way

849
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: they go there with the tight ends and running backs.

850
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: It's a numbers game there as well. So moving over

851
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: to the defense, My biggest takeaway on defense from this

852
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: camp in this spring the health of Christian Barmore, and

853
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: in a good way. Christian Barmore looks like he's in

854
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: great shape. He looks like he's a you know, he

855
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: told us that green light, full go. He's got no

856
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: limitations whatsoever if they have twenty twenty three. Christian Barmore

857
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: not even thinking about Oh, him next to Milton Williams

858
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: and him next to Keyon White, like just Christian Barmore

859
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Going back to twenty twenty three form

860
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: is absolutely huge for this team. Not that I doubted

861
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: that he was going to be a full go, but

862
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: you still were a little bit wary with what happened,

863
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, with the blood clots last year. That's not

864
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: a no joking matter, that's a very serious thing. But

865
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: it was great to see him and he looks like

866
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: he's in great shape, you know, running all around the field,

867
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: chasing down plays, getting in the backfield of course, like

868
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: we know he can. So that's a huge development. And

869
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: the two of those guys, him and Milton Williams were

870
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: attached to the hit the entire spring. Like those guys

871
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: were the two interior starting defensive tackles from wire to

872
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: wire this spring, and they would run on the field

873
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: together and they run off the field together. They're becoming friends,

874
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But it was great to see Barmore as

875
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: a full go. TH's he looks like his old self,

876
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: which is great development.

877
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no ramp up, there was no I mean,

878
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know just watching Praudice that this was a

879
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: guy that went through a major medical issue last year.

880
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: So that that was my big takeaway too. Well, that

881
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: was one of two I had on defense. He looks good,

882
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: he looks healthy, he looks ready to go.

883
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what your other one is, but my

884
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: next one was the best player on the field for

885
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: the spring, Christian Zalez easily the best player on the

886
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: team throughout the entire spring. That's not surprising. He was

887
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: a second team All Pro last year. He is the

888
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: best player on the team. Yeah, until maybe Drake May

889
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: takes that next step, he's going to be the best

890
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: player on the team. And he's he just looked, I

891
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: would say, almost even better than he did last year.

892
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: And the one thing that he's added maybe to his

893
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: game is he's making a lot more plays on the

894
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: ball now. Maybe that's just because he was being tested

895
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: more because Drake May said he wanted to kind of

896
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: test him and he didn't want to let him off

897
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: the hook by not throwing his way and things like that.

898
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: But he had two picks on that practice that Drake

899
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: May had a couple of picks to start this spring. Yesterday,

900
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: we actually posted it on Twitter on Patriots Twitter handle.

901
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: Just a beautiful over the shoulder one handed to interception

902
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: staying over the top of a go route by Kyle

903
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Williams he just looks like he's maybe is sending to

904
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: from second team to first team All Pro.

905
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: I was saying this yesterday on Patriots Beat, like the

906
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: next step, Like he's already in the conversation of is

907
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: he one of the best corners in the league?

908
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: Is he a top five corner in the league?

909
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: Right?

910
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: Which I think he is, But you know, people have

911
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: that conversation, So what's the step up from that?

912
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: Well?

913
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: Is he the best corner in the league? And is

914
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: he like if he takes that step, holy cow? Right,

915
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: and that's it, sir Tan right now, right? I don't

916
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: think that's a hot take. How big is the gap

917
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: between him and Sirtan or at least based off last year,

918
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: how big is the was the gap between him and Sirtan?

919
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: And do you think he can close that? I've said

920
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: this before.

921
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you want to answer that,

922
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: but it's fun because they're similar players, Yeah, and they've

923
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: Christian Zalez has talked about Patrick Surtan being sort of

924
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: an idol or like an example for him that a

925
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: guy he's studied and a guy he's followed his career,

926
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: So they really play a lot of the same way,

927
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're both man coverage guys. They're both guys

928
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: that can travel and and just take out your best player,

929
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: your best receiver. So I'd probably give the experience in

930
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: the edge a little bit to start tam. But the

931
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: only thing that I felt like was missing from Christian

932
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: Zalez's game, and it wasn't like a huge criticism or

933
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: anything like that, but could you make some more picks,

934
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, more players, more plays of the ball. So

935
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: that's that's what I wanted to get to.

936
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: Is you mentioned, you know, is he getting more plays

937
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: on the ball in the springs, is getting testimony. I

938
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: think that's part of it, certainly, But I think the

939
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: other thing is there really was no need to throw

940
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: near him last Yeah, and now you get Carlton Davis

941
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: on the other side, Marcus Jones fully healthy, ideally in

942
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: the slot, Kyle Duggars, Brill.

943
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Pepper's fully healthy.

944
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: By the way, Craig Woodson looks really good in coverage too,

945
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: really goodn't coverage specifically, So there's gonna be more times

946
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: where teams are gonna have to throw in his direction

947
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna want to test these other guys.

948
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: So I think he will have an opportunity to make

949
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: more plays on the ball this year.

950
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: It certainly showed out this spring, and it was around

951
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. You look at his box scores,

952
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, from a charting perspective last year, like there

953
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: are games where he's targeted once, targeted three times, you know,

954
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: two times. I think the one gam where he's targeted

955
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: a bunch was that Cardinals game with Marvin Harrison Junior,

956
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: and he locked them down. So you look at those

957
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: types of games and it's like, well, he just doesn't

958
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: have the opportunities, so he may picks on the ball

959
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: like they're just if you're only getting targeted once or

960
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: twice a game, you're just not it's not gonna have

961
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: a ton of people, Matt.

962
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember this wasn't he like one of

963
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: the most targeted corners in football last year and people

964
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: are like, why is he being targeted so much? But

965
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: he'd like the lowest.

966
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Uh, he might have been targeted a lot because they

967
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: played a ton of man, you know.

968
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: Eighty four he was the twenty third most targeted, but

969
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: among qualified corners completion percentage, I don't think I think

970
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: it was really.

971
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Low top ten. I would I would guess like tenth. Yeah,

972
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: tied for ninth, fifty four point eight. So like, I

973
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: don't mind if his targets are high, target them all

974
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: you want. I don't care if he's not allowing completions. Great, yeah,

975
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: awesome when you have the number when you play a

976
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of man coverage and you're man to man on

977
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: the number one guy, they're not gonna just not throw

978
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: to their number one receiver. It doesn't happen very often.

979
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: You have to be really that's that's prime Revus right

980
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: right right, But or you played Cincinnati week one, they're

981
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: not gonna just not throw the ball to Jamar Chase,

982
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: like they're gonna try to throw it to him, even

983
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: if Gonzo's on him, right, But it's yeah, no, that's Revas.

984
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: Was that guy?

985
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: Or remember when teams just didn't throw it non the

986
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Osma off for like two years off reputation, and then

987
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: one year they're like, hey, maybe we should throw at

988
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: this guy again and see and then it turned out

989
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: he didn't have any more. So, yeah, gonzalso's twenty third

990
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: in targets and he was thirty sixth in catches.

991
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Eleve it's a fun uh, it was a fun new

992
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: answered by Drake may And and a good point by

993
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: him of he's gonna see some targets in the season.

994
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: So if I'm just afraid to throw it to his

995
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: side of the field all of training camp, I'm not

996
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: helping him get back, and it doesn't help me get

997
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: better because he's going to be great coverage and I'm

998
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to put the ball on a platter for

999
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: my guy. And so it's, you know, that whole iron

1000
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: sharp and iron thing. And it's good that those two

1001
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: are going back and forth a little bit. So Barmore

1002
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: and Gonzo Arrow up looking good on the both those guys.

1003
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: The other item I wrote down here not quite compliment

1004
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: sandwich style on the defense, but similar the third down

1005
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: pass rush. I think we saw a little bit more

1006
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: of what they have in store for it over the

1007
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: last couple of days they were in third down a

1008
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: little bit more, it felt like. So I do think

1009
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: that they're going to get into some of those you know,

1010
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: five man like mug looks and things like that a

1011
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: little bit more. Uh. You know, they did a lot

1012
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: of overload in Tennessee where they would still be in

1013
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: a four down line, but they have three guys to

1014
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: one side of the center and overload that side, and

1015
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: then you're gaming and picking guys and stunting and all

1016
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: that good stuff to get guys free. But maybe you know,

1017
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: they have a little bit more of a blitz package

1018
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: that we saw yesterday especially. I would say they kind

1019
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: of turned it up a little bit after the offense

1020
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: had a good day on Monday, Rabel said, pre practice,

1021
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: they did a lot of three man rush from the

1022
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: red zone. He'll drop eight in the red zone and

1023
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: Drake May was just kind of standing there with all day.

1024
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: So yesterday they did the opposite, the kind of came

1025
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: after him and the defense got a little bit of

1026
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: a leg up there. I look at you know, Bar Moore,

1027
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: Milton Williams gonna be on the field as much as possible,

1028
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: especially on third down. I do think on White's getting

1029
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: into that conversation too. Is being a regular on all

1030
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: three downs. They're moving him around though he's not playing

1031
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: the same position. Yeah, I've been handing the dirt mostly,

1032
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: I just write, but he's playing inside, he's playing outside.

1033
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I think he's their chest piece. Yeah, I think he's

1034
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: the guy they're gonna hnt matchups with X factor. To me,

1035
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: like a big time X factor if he takes that

1036
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: next step in this scheme, which is more aggressive and

1037
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: more gaming and more to his skill set right worried

1038
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: about rush lane integrity and holding the edge and all

1039
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: that stuff that they did in the old system. If

1040
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: he is just allowed to just tee off, I think

1041
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: he could have a really a good year in that role. Now,

1042
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: when they get into third down, how are they one

1043
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: of their personnel around those guys gonna look like? Is

1044
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Harold Landry gonna be a three down player for this team?

1045
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: Is that going to be Chaseon That's gonna merk? He

1046
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of run? Is there a chance still?

1047
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: We didn't see it necessarily in the spring, but like

1048
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: a Brandon Swinson or an Elijah Ponder or someone that

1049
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: they just drafted, uh coming and breaking out into like

1050
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: a third down pass rusher role, you know that Joshua

1051
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: a type of role. I think it's probably Chason right

1052
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: now that they have in mind at least for this year.

1053
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: We'll see maybe if Swinson can take over that eventually.

1054
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: But the edge rush is still something that I would

1055
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: say somewhat unknown. Like the interior pressure. I feel like

1056
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be really good and maybe that's enough

1057
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: that they can just flush the quarterback one way and

1058
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: Landry or a chaseon just to clean up sacks. And

1059
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean you have to win your one

1060
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: on one as that guy. You just kind of have

1061
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: to be there and be ready. But do you feel

1062
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: any concern at all about pass rush off the edge

1063
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: in particular? I think Williams and Barnware and are gonna

1064
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: get after.

1065
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like I said about the offensive line,

1066
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: like it's better. That doesn't mean they're where they need

1067
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: to be. It's more about how far away they were

1068
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: last year. Ye Chazon's gonna play a role. He was

1069
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: very involved. We didn't see a ton of Braden Swinson,

1070
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: but that's another guy I'll be interested to see more

1071
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: when the Pats come on.

1072
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: I hope they find a role for Anthony Jennings. I

1073
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: really do.

1074
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: He didn't really have much of one in the spring,

1075
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: and it is kind of square peg round hole with

1076
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: this defense with him. We've talked about this, like, I

1077
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: just think he can play. But they have and did

1078
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: I mention Landry like and they have Langer so like

1079
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: they have guys that can compete there. I don't know

1080
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: that they have. Like we've talked about them getting that

1081
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: coverage dictating wide receiver for so long. That same kind

1082
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: of concept exists on defense, and you know, you might say, well,

1083
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Christian Barber, Milton Williams, those guys can dictate blocking.

1084
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they can, and that's not nothing.

1085
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: But that's sort of like you know, a tight end

1086
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: being your coverage dictating wide receiver where it's gonna make

1087
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: a difference, like it's a factor, but it's not that

1088
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: there are more ways to counter that versus if it's

1089
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: a guy on the edge. It's a lot harder to

1090
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: double a guy on the edge versus guy in the middle.

1091
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot eaer.

1092
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like sliding protections and things like that. So

1093
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: there's still that like premiere pass rusher away. But the

1094
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: players they.

1095
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Have there aren't bad.

1096
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: I just don't know that they have that guy that is,

1097
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, they don't have their Matthew Judon.

1098
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of that with this roster right now.

1099
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: And I don't yeah, in a better way than it

1100
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: sounds because unlike Lash, you're like you're bringing up earlier

1101
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: with the tackles where we didn't know who their starting

1102
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: tackles were and that was not good this year. You know,

1103
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I would say twenty of twenty two starters or twenty one.

1104
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: Like really, left guard is the only spot that I'm

1105
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: not really sure who's starting right now at that spot.

1106
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: Maybe you could make that case for X receiver that's

1107
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: sort of still up in the air. Other than that,

1108
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: I pretty much know who's starting everywhere on this team

1109
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: right now. It feels like now for the most part,

1110
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: they're like starting caliber players. Right The question is is

1111
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: are they starting caliber players or are they really like

1112
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: elite players, you know, maybe they're still missing some of that,

1113
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, edge rusher. I think it's one spot outside

1114
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: receivers another spot where they could probably use still a

1115
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: talent upgrade there.

1116
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: I think those are the two, and I mean, we'll

1117
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: see what happens in right tackle, but I think going

1118
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: into when we start doing the draft, those are the

1119
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: two spots we're talking about.

1120
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is just depth, and that

1121
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: was the next thing I wanted to talk about. Defensive

1122
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: line depth, inside linebacker depth. Those are two spots that

1123
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I look at with this team that until we get

1124
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: into the real meata training camp and we see some

1125
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: of those guys. Now, I thought that there were some flashes,

1126
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, Joshua Farmer, I thought flashed a couple of times,

1127
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: especially with getting hands and passing lanes and things like that,

1128
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: made a couple of bad passes down in the spring.

1129
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw from Jack Gibbons a

1130
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: couple of times. You pointed out a coverage rep he

1131
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: had yesterday running with Javon's line five yards down the field.

1132
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: But that's impressive, Yeah, with Javon Baker, So maybe he's

1133
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: a guy that steps in there. We saw a lot

1134
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: of Robert Spulaine and Christian Ellis on the second level.

1135
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: That seems to be the the right now the leaders

1136
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: you know in the clubhouse to start. Certainly Robert Splaine's

1137
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna start. We know that whether it's Ellis or if

1138
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: Julna Tevai comes back. You know, obviously to has been

1139
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: banged up with that calf, so he wasn't He was there,

1140
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: but he wasn't working out, wasn't participating. That that depth

1141
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: can be thinned out really quickly. And I think the

1142
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: same thing with the offensive line. If Will Campbell knock

1143
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: on wood, if Will Campbell has an injury, you know

1144
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: you're you're back into trade.

1145
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: Right.

1146
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: We talked about this like it wasn't just the starters

1147
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: a tackle, they didn't have backups eas.

1148
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Right, So you know that we're still kind of in

1149
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: that mode a little bit. But I wanted to focus

1150
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: on the linebackers because we get tons of questions about

1151
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: depth at insidelnebacker and after Splaine, what really is there.

1152
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: They're really seem to be optimistic about Christian Ellis, like

1153
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: I think they think he can be a weak side

1154
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: linebacker and next to Spallaine, I mentioned Tobai and Gibbons.

1155
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: After that, you're probably getting into a little bit of

1156
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: great territory of whether those guys are NFL players or not.

1157
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu, So what do you like, linebacker? What do

1158
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: you make of all that? Well, his body type certainly

1159
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: fits it more in this scheme than it did in

1160
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: the other scheme, because you're not in this scheme in

1161
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: theory the defensive lines getting up the field. They're occupying

1162
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: blockers and they're getting up the field with that, and

1163
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: so you're not necessarily taken on guards or polers or

1164
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: full backs or whatever in the whole like Juwan Bentley

1165
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: Wood or a Dante High, Tower Wood or one of

1166
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: those types of guys, so you can be lighter in

1167
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: this defense at linebacker. I've always thought he was a linebacker,

1168
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: like a modern day NFL linebacker, maybe mostly on third downs,

1169
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: but if you can put a linebacker in that spot,

1170
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: you know, a safety body type that's playing linebacker like

1171
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: a Marte. Mapu just says things that you can do

1172
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: in theory, in theory because of the body type and

1173
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: the skill set, but things that you can do and

1174
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: from a coverage standpoint with that player become a lot more.

1175
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: You become a lot more flexible. You just do you know,

1176
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: if you want to play some split safety coverage for example,

1177
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: like he can run the middle of the field, you know,

1178
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: with a faster receiver, with an inside receiver, with a

1179
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: pass catching tight end. If you want to put him

1180
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: a man to man on a running back coming out

1181
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: of the backfield, then he has a little bit more

1182
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: coverage upside maybe than a true linebacker like a Tavai would,

1183
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: for example, to cover a decent running back coming out

1184
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: of the backfield. There's just a little bit more that

1185
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: you can do there with him in coverage. Now, I

1186
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see it in terms of him being like

1187
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: a first down, you know, first and second down run player.

1188
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will work out, but if

1189
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: he's in the third down package and he's playing at

1190
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: the second level and the third down package, there could

1191
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: be a role there for him. I've always thought that.

1192
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: I've always felt like that's where he belonged. Yeah, it's

1193
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: just a matter of what do they want with that

1194
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: last linebacker spot. Do they want a downhill guy who's

1195
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: kind of counter to what they have to give them

1196
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: a different look, or do they want more depth for

1197
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: the kind of players they have. Because if it's the

1198
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: second thing, it's mopoof, it's the first thing it's to buy. Yeah,

1199
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: it's a good point. Tavai and Jennings are sitting out.

1200
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: We had Jennings on yesterday. He's a good guy and

1201
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: I like Jennings, but both those guys still still kind

1202
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: of stand out to me as holdovers from an old defense.

1203
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't mean old in age, I just mean old

1204
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: the old defense in terms of what they used to do.

1205
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: Are these schematic fits and what they're doing now they're

1206
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: not bad football players like their NFL players like they

1207
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: belong in the league, and everything. I just don't know

1208
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: if they belong in this scheme. You know, Anthony Jennings,

1209
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: is he a hand in the dirt end?

1210
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 4: Like?

1211
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: Probably not. You know, he's a stand up guy, He's

1212
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: a set the edge guy. You know, Tavai is in

1213
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: that hybrid role that I don't know if that exists

1214
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: as much anymore. So those two guys definitely still stand out.

1215
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: I could hear it with Tavai two in terms of

1216
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: that as well. So you're right, you know, if they

1217
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: want to really turn this over at linebacker to just

1218
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: all two thirty two, twenty five and under type of linebackers,

1219
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: and that's not him, you know, he's not going to

1220
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: be on the team.

1221
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: But again, I think there's something to be said for

1222
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: having a guy that's maybe a little bit different for

1223
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: certain situations.

1224
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. Now, the other spot on the defense that

1225
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting is what they were doing in

1226
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: the slot. They're they're putting a lot of different guys

1227
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: in the slot, a lot of different body types in

1228
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: the slot. Some safeties, some big corners, some small corners

1229
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: like Marcus Jones, a little bit like Pop Douglas. I

1230
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: thought there was a there was some chatter about Marcus

1231
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Jones and does he still fit because of the type

1232
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: of slot corner he is. I thought he had a

1233
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: really nice spring. I still feel like he's in people's

1234
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: hip pockets all the time in coverage. They used him

1235
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: outside too, Yeah, as a strap player. So I think

1236
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones is going to be here. Certainly has a role,

1237
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's fifth or sixth defensive back slash

1238
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: punt returner, that's enough.

1239
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: Of a you know, Josh McDaniels is itching to get

1240
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: involved on offense too. I also think, like I think

1241
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: some of that conversation like, oh, he's in a contract here,

1242
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: is he gonna get a second contract? I don't know,

1243
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: but he'll be here this year. Like he's not a

1244
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: guy you rush off the roster.

1245
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: But I was intrigued by some of the different body

1246
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: types that they were throwing at the slot position. Isaiah

1247
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Bolden and Marcel's dial got a decent amount of run inside.

1248
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Alex Austin, Alex Austen, Jail Pepper's got some run yesterday

1249
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: in the slot. Craig Woodson was playing a little bit

1250
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: in the slot at times. So they're clearly and they've

1251
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: said it, they clearly are looking for somebody to be

1252
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: a big slot and be someone that will be a

1253
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: little bit bigger and have a little bit more sturdiness

1254
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: to him than Marcus Jones. And to me though that

1255
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if that's going to be a

1256
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: full time thing as more is it's gonna be game

1257
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: plan and packagedify. So if they're going to play Miami, right,

1258
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: if you're going up against a team that plays a

1259
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: lot of bass, like you know, you know, a lot

1260
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: of regular whether it's two tight ends or a full

1261
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: back or something like that, Yeah, like you might want

1262
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: to be a little bit bigger. You might want to

1263
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: have a Jabiro Peppers in the slot or Craig Woodson

1264
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: in the slot instead of a Marcus Jones in the slot.

1265
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: Miami's actually one of those teams that does it. And

1266
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: then that's how they win is they have the speed

1267
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: on the outside with the bigger personnel on the inside,

1268
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: and it's tough to match up against. So a lot

1269
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: of these teams do that now where they put big

1270
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: people on the field and then they throw out of

1271
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: those big groupings and that's where they get you. You're

1272
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: in your base personnel, you only have four dbs on

1273
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: the field, but they have speed and they have playmaking

1274
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: at receivers still even with a full back or an

1275
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: extra tight end on the field. So where they go

1276
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: with that, I think it's going to be a lot

1277
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: of mixing and matching. But they're clearly looking to see

1278
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: what's our best combination so that when we want to

1279
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: go to the big nickel look, or we want to

1280
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: go to a big slot, who's going to be the

1281
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: big slot and who's going to be the best one

1282
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: that role. I kind of could see it with your

1283
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: real Peppers a little bit. I thought he did it

1284
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: yesterday and did it pretty well. Craig Woodson had a

1285
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: really strong camp. I don't know where they put him,

1286
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: whether he's in the back end or they see him

1287
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: as a slot guy as well. You know, maybe it's

1288
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: one of those corners that we mentioned too. Where who

1289
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: do you think is the best fit for that type

1290
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: of role right now on this team? For the slock mark, Yeah,

1291
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: for the big slot corner, the big slot, who's the

1292
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: best fit?

1293
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Alex Austin's the best player, but

1294
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: I think some of that is there's value and he

1295
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: can be your third boundary corner and backup slot slash

1296
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: big slot like counter to Marcus Jones.

1297
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: So that saves you a roster spot.

1298
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: But you know, is he as good in the slot

1299
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: as Marcella's Dial? Probably not, But Dial's not going to

1300
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: give you what Austin gives you on the outside. So

1301
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: I think they might end up keeping both of them

1302
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: and Bolden like they might keep six corners. I'm not

1303
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: rolling that out, but and I've said this, I kind

1304
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: of want to see Asa a Bolden play safety.

1305
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: I think he'd be good at.

1306
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: I think Alex Austin makes the most sense. Dial's probably

1307
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: the best pure slot corner of the group. But you know,

1308
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: if we're talking about somebody to start, if we're talking

1309
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: about somebody to be a counter to Marcus Jones and

1310
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: be depth Alex Austin because he can do so much.

1311
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what they go with that.

1312
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: But there they threw a lot of different bodies in

1313
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: that position to try to find the best combination, at

1314
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: least to experiment right now with those combinations. So they're

1315
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a big nickel look like a three safety nickel.

1316
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: It's just whether you know who's gonna be where it

1317
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: is really good question. Who's going to be that nickel

1318
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: player will be fascinating. It's it's a really cool evolution

1319
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: to me just to get into like the nickel defender

1320
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: in the slot role a little bit. It's a cool

1321
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: evolution throughout the league of how that position has evolved.

1322
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: The Patriots deserve the credit. Josh McDaniels really deserves the credit.

1323
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: The two thousand and seven Patriots changed everything. They went

1324
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: eleven personnel with the slot receiver Wes Welker, and they

1325
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: forced teams to put a cornerback in the.

1326
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget they were able to do that

1327
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: because the two thousand and three Patriots changed everything because

1328
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: they were so dominant physically that it changed the rules

1329
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: which allowed you to send a five ft ten over

1330
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: the middle, which would have been unthinkable before that.

1331
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: So you get the you got eleven personnel, the three

1332
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: wide receivers, you have the player in the slot. So

1333
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: now the slot corner becomes a thing where they need

1334
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: a man to man slot corner that can guard a

1335
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: Wes Welker, that can guard a Julian Edelman, so on

1336
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: and so forth. So that happens that of all, as

1337
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: everybody kind of catches up with that. I would also

1338
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: give Belichick, and I don't think he gets enough of

1339
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: this credit from like a coaching perspective. When Patrick Chunk

1340
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: came back the second time and he turned Patrick Chung

1341
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: into a tight end stopper and started putting him man

1342
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: to man on tight ends and playing him in the

1343
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: box as that moneybacker, that I think that revolutionized it

1344
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: again where Patrick Chung. So you had Patrick Chung doing

1345
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: that and that sort of thing on tight ends and

1346
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: playing in the box as a safety, and then we

1347
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: sort of got into this iteration of the slot defender,

1348
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: which is turning a lot more into safety body types

1349
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: playing the slot because you have all the Shanahan inspired

1350
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: teams that are running outside zone all the time. So

1351
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: now the slot corners at the point of attack all

1352
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: the time. The slot you know, defender nickel back is

1353
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: at the point of attack in the run game because

1354
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to get outside the numbers in the run game.

1355
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: So now it's like, all right, well, we originally we

1356
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: needed to cover one hundred and eighty pound jitterbug slot receiver,

1357
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: so we're worried about that. So the Jonathan Joneses of

1358
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: the world emerge, right, and those guys become important now,

1359
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: k Kyle Arrington. Now the outside zone world has taken over.

1360
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: So you got tackles and guards and blocking tight ends

1361
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: that are getting up on one hundred and eighty pounds

1362
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: slot corners. Well, that ain't gonna work, so they out

1363
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, like the you know Cheucey

1364
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson types, like the safety slots, Yeah, start to

1365
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: become thing. Brian Branch, you know in Detroit, he starts

1366
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: to become a thing. And now you need to be

1367
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: a little bigger there, and you need to be able

1368
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: to take on a blocker and you'll be at side

1369
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: and bigger slot receivers like it got like Jacobey Mitay. Yeah, yeah,

1370
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 1: it's good point too. You know, bigger slot receivers, pass

1371
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: catching tight ends that are really just receivers, right, you

1372
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: know Dalton Concaid types that are truly just pure receivers.

1373
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: So you have all these different things that are going on,

1374
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: and it's cool how the game is so cyclical like that.

1375
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: And now the Patriots are sort of in this different

1376
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: type of defense and now they're looking for their Brian Branch,

1377
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: Like who's going to be that slot safety that's going

1378
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: to be able to play that role, you know, is

1379
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: it Peppers, is it Dugger or is it Woodson? Is

1380
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: it someone like that that's already on the team or

1381
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: is this something that we look at in twenty six

1382
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: Not that I want to lose that many games, but

1383
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: Caleb downs, well, I mean now they're back in the

1384
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: top ten tops hopefully not. Yeah, So that that's a

1385
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's just me, but I can find

1386
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff cool.

1387
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: No, the whole you know, I could do hours on that,

1388
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: the history of the game evolving and all that.

1389
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: Last thing on the list, very bottom of the I

1390
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: have like ten things listed out on my rundown. Here,

1391
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: we get it. You don't care, and it is the

1392
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: very last thing on the list, and I'm gonna see

1393
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: you up for it. Andy Borgoalis, looks like you can kick. Yeah,

1394
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: looks good. Yeah he was.

1395
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: You had a really good spring, closed it out yesterday,

1396
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: went four to four, drill to fifty one yarder. I

1397
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: think they're gonna keep John Parker Romo one just to

1398
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: keep the pressure on and keep the competition up.

1399
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: In two.

1400
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna want him on the practice squad.

1401
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: Is Essentially a lot of teams use a practice squad

1402
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: now to have a backup kicker. You're not gonna have

1403
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: two kickers on the fifty three, right, But now you

1404
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: have a guy that has worked with your long snapper

1405
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: and your holder and his experienced and it's kind of

1406
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: tough to cut the guy and you know, mid August,

1407
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: only to then bring him back after roster cuts if

1408
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: he's even still around, and we'll come back.

1409
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: So I think Parker Romo is.

1410
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: Going to be here, and with him being here, there

1411
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: will be a kicker competition. They will both be kicking

1412
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: and we'll obviously track it. But Borgalis has advertised so far.

1413
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: So my question for you about kick it is not

1414
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: necessarily about that because Borgolis what missed one kick in

1415
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: the practices? I think it was nineteen for twenty, so

1416
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: that is a number. I think Brian Hines put that

1417
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: one out yesterday. So Ben Dynamite, Now, there's no live

1418
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: rush right, truly live rush right, And there's no pressure

1419
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: really like there's some pressure, but we're not talking about

1420
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people in Jillette Stadium in Week one, you know,

1421
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: game winning kick pressure. So those are still unknowns, right,

1422
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: You know whether he's gonna when he kicks with a

1423
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: rush against him if it's just as good. But with

1424
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: what we've been able to see, he's been great. Do

1425
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: you have a like do you have weight on kickers too,

1426
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: to like gauge that kind of stuff.

1427
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 2: Well, the big thing with him is the weather, right,

1428
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, we can't no, we can't get it.

1429
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: That's not a training camp thing.

1430
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: That's on an early season thing like it's gonna Although

1431
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: who knows the way these saturdays have been. Maybe we

1432
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 2: will get to see him kick in fifty and raining

1433
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: in July. Yeah, but that's just good. We're gonna have

1434
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: to cross operation we come to it. I said this

1435
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: at the draft. I liked his approach. When he was

1436
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: asked about it, he did downplay it. He didn't because

1437
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: I hate it when guys like, well, you know, they

1438
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: get asked on that. Well, you know, kicking's kicking. Well okay,

1439
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: but part of kicking is adjusting to the elements, and

1440
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: the same for any position, whether it be in any sport.

1441
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: You know, you hear baseball players well you know in

1442
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: the plane in the cold, Oh, you know, we get you.

1443
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, we play one hundred and sixty two games team,

1444
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: but they're not all the same. So he didn't downplay it.

1445
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I understand why people have that question,

1446
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 2: but I'm looking forward to proving people wrong, which means

1447
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: he understands it's gonna be adjustment. He understands's gonna be different.

1448
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: You hope he's kind of mentally wired right that he

1449
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: just goes about it business wise and doesn't let it

1450
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: bother him. But that's just something we're gonna have to

1451
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: see when we see it. There's really no way unless

1452
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: they have a really, really really large walk in freezer

1453
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: here that we don't know about that they can empty out.

1454
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: That's just gonna be something that we're gonna have to

1455
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: see when it comes up.

1456
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: Is it that crazy to go Rocky style and go

1457
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: in the walk in freezer? Because I've always thought that that,

1458
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: But it's a possibility, right, Like why not?

1459
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: So the Saints did that with their quarterbacks I think

1460
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: last year before they played the package, So why not?

1461
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 2: Like they cleaned it out and they brought a cup

1462
01:06:59,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: a receiver.

1463
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: They have the bubble right, and it's just like how

1464
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: we get as cold as you possibly don't think you

1465
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: can get that bubble that cold because it's it's not

1466
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: like maybe the maybe the new facility will have like

1467
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: temperature control. So that's what I'm wondering.

1468
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: Can you get it because you also need significant size

1469
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: because you got to be able to make sure the

1470
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: kicks work. Could you create a golf simulator type room

1471
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: for a kicker where you don't need to see the

1472
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: ball flight because it's track, but you can also get

1473
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: the room really cold, or you put fans on the

1474
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: walls to simulate wind, or something like.

1475
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: The VR type stuff right where they have the v V.

1476
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: You have to feel it, Yes, you have to feel

1477
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: the cold furniture thing. Have you ever been to that thing?

1478
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: Shuns right, it's called I think it's called mom it's

1479
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: and it's like you could like feel the wind in

1480
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: your face.

1481
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 2: Like on the Oh yeah, well they have I don't

1482
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: know if they haven't been in a while. They used

1483
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: to have at the hall where you could do the vinetaries.

1484
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: They still have. It needs to be just that, but

1485
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: close it in so you can make it. You need to.

1486
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: They need to update that a little bit. It's seen

1487
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: it's better days, but they still have it. But the technology,

1488
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, they could say so updated do that, but

1489
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: make it actually feel like January two thousand and two,

1490
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: before that blizzard or in that blizzard, and then let

1491
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: him go kicking that you get fake snow, you put

1492
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: it on the ground, Like, I think it's a good idea. Yeah,

1493
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I think it's you got to do it right. I mean,

1494
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,280
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Speaker 1: very much. All right, let's get to these phones. Hopefull

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Speaker 1: you guys are still there. Chad is in LA. What's up? Chad? Hey?

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Speaker 6: How are you guys?

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Speaker 4: Thank you good?

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Speaker 1: How are you Chad?

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Speaker 6: My question is offense defense. I'm getting a little bit

1537
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 6: of feedback, so I apologize if I'm a little stuttered.

1538
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 6: My defense question is, with everything looking the way that

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 6: it's looking, are, can we confidently say potentially top five

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01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 6: top ten defense this year?

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01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: All right?

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: If they want to get a top five like key

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Speaker 2: On White's kind of take a pretty significant jump.

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01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a lot. That's I mean, they

1545
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: were you need dugg Er and Peppers to both be

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: fully healthy. It's a little lofty.

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a top five every single what if goes

1548
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: their way with the schedule they have, they could sneak

1549
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: in the top five, but it would take a lot.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So our offense is competing on a daily basis

1551
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 6: against a really good defense on a regular bait, right,

1552
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 6: you know?

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01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 6: Okay, So my my question then is this, so they're

1555
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna be battle ready. Has Campbell's arms shown

1556
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 6: any issue whatsoever since all of the hype during the draft.

1557
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: I would say that he's gotten better with every practice, honestly.

1558
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I try to watch him as much as

1559
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: I can. H I wish that we could watch film

1560
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: a practice because it's always hard with the line of scrimmage,

1561
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: a lot of moving bodies and flashes of color and

1562
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: things like that in there. But I felt like you

1563
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: got better at each practice. And the one thing that

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: I definitely saw him making real strides with was protecting

1565
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: his inside. That was the biggest issue with him in college.

1566
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: He get opened up and then he'd get crossed inside,

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: whether with an inside counter or like a spinner or

1568
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: a crossover or something like that. I thought he did

1569
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: a better job of that of staying inside out and

1570
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: not drifting off of his set as a camp went

1571
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: on here. So we'll see when the pads come on.

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Speaker 1: But no, I wouldn't say that it was majorly. Sometimes

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01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: I could see guys getting into his body, but he's

1574
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: got such a great anchor that I didn't see it

1575
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: was as a huge deterrent, at least so far. Yeah.

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's non padded practice, so it's a

1577
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: little early to say yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And then if I could ask one more question, if

1579
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 6: our olne is challenging, that affects our running game, doesn't it?

1580
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that that And thanks for the call, Chad,

1581
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: and thanks for waiting that. That's where I'm at with

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: the line. I don't I'm not trying to be alarmist

1583
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: about it yet. It's not in that level of it

1584
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: wasn't like last year like you brought brought up earlier.

1585
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: We're ways away from that, luckily. But that's that's the

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: engine of your offense. I know everybody gets bored by

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01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line talk and stuff, but truly, uh, you

1588
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: cannot call every thing if you don't have a good

1589
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: offensive line, like you just there are things on the

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01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: playsheet that you're just eliminated, you know, the longer developing

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: plays obviously, but there also might be run plays that

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: you're just not good enough to execute, and the more

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01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: complex run schemes, and so then it just narrows the

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: scope of the things that you can call, and that

1595
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: makes you predictable and easy to scout and all that

1596
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it's a huge part of it,

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: the run game, the pass game, all of it. It's

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: not just pass protection though, so it's a good point

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: of by the caller. That's a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: And the best run games truly are the most diverse,

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Speaker 1: like the ones that can call you know, a pluthor

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01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: of runs like Detroit under Ben Johnson. I mean, my god,

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: their run game install must have been like a like

1604
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: a phone book, right, like they just said, you have

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01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: all these different types of runs and you have no

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: limitations with the personnel up front, so you can just

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Speaker 1: do whatever you want. And that's just a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that adds a lot to the table. And you hope,

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Speaker 1: you know, Will Campbell's are really athletic, high end run

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: blocker as a prospect, and you hope that he's one

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: of those types of tackles that now he's not going

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01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,959
Speaker 1: to be Penny Suol, but like you hope that he

1613
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: is one of those types of guys from cut from

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: that same clot that he can pull and he can

1615
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: get out in front of blocks and he can you know,

1616
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: reach front side on the outside zone and like he

1617
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: can't allow you to have more range to your run game.

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: That would be great. That's exactly what you're what I'm

1619
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: looking for out of him in year one, you know,

1620
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 1: to go back to the question about Campbell pass protection

1621
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: is probably gonna have some hits and misses for him.

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01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: I would say year one, as he learns his body,

1623
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: learns how to you know, get away with the shorter

1624
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: arms and like all that kind of stuff, there might

1625
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: be some losses there early. But can he really be

1626
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: a day one impact run blocker, because he should be.

1627
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: That's what he was at LSU, and then he should

1628
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: be that in the NFL. If he's that already out

1629
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: of the gate, then I'll be really optimistic about where

1630
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: they're at with Will Campbell. All right, Nate is in Connecticut.

1631
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: What's up? Nate?

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 5: Hey, guys guys here you well, yes, we got you. So,

1633
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 5: like my question to you guys is, well, hold on. First,

1634
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 5: I'll say it is my second to last day of school.

1635
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 5: Very excited. So I'm going to talk about something that

1636
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 5: excites me, and that is our cornerback room. What I

1637
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 5: really think. I think we have a really strong room

1638
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 5: with the addition to Carlton Davis and of course the

1639
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 5: main star Christian Zalees and Marcus Jones, and then uh

1640
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 5: maybe Alex Austin on the outside and sometimes in the slot.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 5: But my main thing is that where would you rank

1642
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 5: our cornerback room like in the league? Like is it

1643
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 5: top five?

1644
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 4: Top ten?

1645
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 5: Because I know we're getting compared to a lot of

1646
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 5: duos like Derek Stingley and then you have Pats their

1647
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 5: Tan and.

1648
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 7: The Bronx and the new Broncos DV.

1649
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, where where you guys thought on where the

1650
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 5: Pats cornerback room stands across the league? Thank you guys.

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01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling Nate and congrats on ending school.

1652
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah like that because you know he's he's cool and

1653
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: he calls catch twenty two during school. Awesome. Maybe I

1654
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: don't know where do they rank and quarterback. It's a

1655
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: good question. I haven't necessarily looked at. Yeah, I don't know,

1656
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: but the other team's de charge off the top of

1657
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: my head is high. Yeah, yeah, it's the duo is

1658
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: high for sure. I mean it's a second team All

1659
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: Pro corner and a really good corner in Carlton Davis.

1660
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: So I would say the duo is high. Uh, I

1661
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 1: think they have a chance to be in that conversation, certainly,

1662
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: and they definitely have a chance to be one of

1663
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: the best man coverage groups in the league, maybe already

1664
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: are the best man coverage group in the league. Denver

1665
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: has a good one.

1666
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 4: You know.

1667
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: Pat Sartan will obviously hold that down. They have a

1668
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: good all the all the corners by the team. Yeah, so.

1669
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: Christian Benford, Maxwell Harrison about Storm Duck, Jalen Ramsey's not

1670
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: gonna be there, Yeah, Sauce Gardner, Brandon Stevens, Nate Wigan, No, No, Denzel.

1671
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,919
Speaker 1: War Martin Emerson not bad. It wasn't bad. Darius Slade,

1672
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: Joey Porter, not bad.

1673
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: Him still taking the Patriots there, Stingley, Kamari Lassiter's up

1674
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 2: there right, D'Angelo ross is on the Texans, former Patriot

1675
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: Pats er Tan Riley Moss, Chris Abrams, Draine in the slot.

1676
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty good. I'd say Denver's probably Rileys

1677
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: really good player too.

1678
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas City is Christian Fulton, Jalen Watson.

1679
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: Why isn't is he hurt McDuffie or maybe this isn't

1680
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: including slot corners? Well, he plays a little bit on that,

1681
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: that's true. It's a good group two. Yeah, Trayvon Diggs

1682
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: here elam No keey Ringo Quinny and Mitchell Dorri Jackson,

1683
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: Eli Rix. I mean that's a good Philly Philly.

1684
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1685
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: And then what's his name? Is counting him as a safety?

1686
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 2: I think all right, they're probably I don't think this

1687
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: includes slot corners, so maybe this isn't the best thing

1688
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: to go off of.

1689
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: I can't think of his damn name. I have a kid. Yeah,

1690
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: I know, Cooper Gen Cooper Deen like literally, yeah, Mike

1691
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: Sayner still, marsha On Lattimore's not bad, but I'm still

1692
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: taking Yeah, the Patriots, it's probably it's Denver. Probably Moss

1693
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: and Patrick Startan are a really good duo.

1694
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 6: Oh.

1695
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: I saw J. C.

1696
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: Horn cool Aid McKinstry next to each other, but they're

1697
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: on different teams, so that's not it. Uh Yeah, I

1698
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: mean that's pretty much it. Look I the Patriots are

1699
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 2: right there with anybody.

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: Along those lines.

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: I'll ask you this because I've been asked this to

1702
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 2: bring it up je or Alexander, at least by the Packers.

1703
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't get the like I see some Patriots fans

1704
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: really clamoring for it.

1705
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: Where's he? What's the plan there so he could play,

1706
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: he could play Nickel. Is he gonna come here and

1707
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: play Nickel though? Or I don't know. So, like he's

1708
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: a boundary corner. Just I love Jeor Alexander. I do too.

1709
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, but so was he he

1710
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: was nineteen draft. I want to say he was one

1711
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: of our first drafts that I was really covering the

1712
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: NFL and covering the team, and I was horrible at

1713
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: evaluating whatever word you want to use. I know people

1714
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: get all up in arms when I say scout, So

1715
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: I won't say that I was horrible at it. Twenty eighteen,

1716
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, I was very I was, you know,

1717
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: young buck, trying to do this, trying to fake it

1718
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: till I bake it. But I saw JayR. Alexander's tape

1719
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: at louis Ville and was just like, that's a dog.

1720
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: So is a heck of a corner. And he ended

1721
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: up being as good of a player as I thought

1722
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: he would be. In he's a stud. But he's been injured.

1723
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: He's been consistently injured for like three or four years now.

1724
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: He's also progressively played fewer percentage of his snaps in

1725
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: the slot every year last year he played three thirty

1726
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: one on the boundary, just fourteen in the slot.

1727
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: Like he's a boundary corner. So it's a name, you know,

1728
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: every time this comes about, I know, but it's gonna happen,

1729
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, and there are names they

1730
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: could add.

1731
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't need to add, but like,

1732
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: first off, the guys I look at right away if

1733
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna make that kind of splash move, and it

1734
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 2: would be a splash move, yeah, Trey Henderson, t J.

1735
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: Watt, and I don't know that of those guys are

1736
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: where they are, Like you, Gyr, you are just signing him.

1737
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: So what about Jayalen Ramsey? Because Jaalen Ramsey can play

1738
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: the slot, he can play some safety. At this point,

1739
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: Ramsey is probably in my mind, the best slot corner

1740
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He doesn't play there all the time.

1741
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: He does play a little bit on the outside still,

1742
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: but when you use him in that like and he

1743
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: has experienced doing he's yeah, it's like two hundred STAPs.

1744
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: You know. Some teams call it different things. You know,

1745
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: Star is probably the most common one. When he plays

1746
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: that star role, like he's he's awesome at it. He's

1747
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: really really good.

1748
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: That's the guy. And is Miami gonna trade him or

1749
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna release him?

1750
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: Might be a post June one designation guy, So that's

1751
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: if he haven't traded him yet. There's probably not a

1752
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: huge market.

1753
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 2: If he gets cut. And I think Jeier Alexander is

1754
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 2: a better player at this point.

1755
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: I think Ramsey might be a better player because Jeer

1756
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: Alexander has but he's just hurt. He hasn't really I

1757
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: guess health assume.

1758
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Jeer Alexander, I think at this point is

1759
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: Ramsey just peak was a better player.

1760
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying Ramsey is a better investment because

1761
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: he's so this.

1762
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: This is what I'm getting at Madden rating, Jeer Alexander

1763
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: is probably higher. Who's a better fit for the Patriots

1764
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: right now? If you're gonna add one of those two guys,

1765
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 2: I think it's Jalen Ramsey and I don't think it's close.

1766
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: I think it's Jalen Ramsey on both things, but it's

1767
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. That's not here nor there. Jalen Ramsey

1768
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: is a really good player still, and the fact that

1769
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: he has that twilight of his career option of moving

1770
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: inside to the slot because he's so instinctive and he's

1771
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: such a great playmaker inside that he just as it

1772
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: knows for the football. Yeah, he would be a great fit.

1773
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Honestly, now, I don't know if he was

1774
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: run available. Miami is not trading him here, No, he

1775
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: probably have to get cut. Yeah. Well, then again, they

1776
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: traded Devonte Parker here. Well, I think that's a different Well,

1777
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: but if they're clearly done with Ramsey, I mean I

1778
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: don't actually I haven't followed that one close enough for

1779
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: they've done with him or is he done with them?

1780
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of ball. So they.

1781
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: Remember when they got him from the Rams and everybody

1782
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: talked about that was the end of the AFC East

1783
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 2: ever being competitive Jalen Ramsey, So, well, it was kind

1784
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: of a it's been a messy marriage from the beginning,

1785
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 2: if I have my facts. Trade here, he got traded

1786
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: to Miami from the Rams, like you said, and he

1787
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: played in Vic Fangio's defense, yeah, the very first year.

1788
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: And Vic Fangio is not a matchup guy. He is

1789
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: do what we do, play sides. Everybody's got their side

1790
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: of the field. That they're gonna play and he's not

1791
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: a he's not like a shadow guy, he's not a

1792
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: travel guy. And Jalen Ramsey didn't like it. He took

1793
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: exception to it, was vocally public about it and said that,

1794
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, I'm Jalen Ramsey essentially like I want to

1795
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: do the whole revis tylaw thing like I got you,

1796
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: you know, cat cover cat coverage, as Mike Rabel called it,

1797
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: like that's the way he wants to play, and they

1798
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: didn't want him to do that.

1799
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: They wanted him to play his side of the field

1800
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and play his role and that sort of thing. So

1801
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: he butted heads with Vic Fangio Vic Fangio leaves and

1802
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: then last year I thought that they did that more

1803
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: and they are more creative with his usage, and he

1804
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: was doing more he wanted to be doing. So I

1805
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know what the hold up is now. A contract

1806
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: probably would be my guest, like he's getting expensive and

1807
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: he's getting older, so maybe it's it's some sort of contract.

1808
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: I always hate to use cap casualty because it's really

1809
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: not what it is, but maybe it's something like that.

1810
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: I haven't looked up the exact particulars of why he's Yeah, it.

1811
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: Doesn't really and it doesn't really say but it looks

1812
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: like he wants out. Yeah, they've also got to figure

1813
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 2: out they got a whole thing on their hands with

1814
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: John who Smith.

1815
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: That was a long winded way of saying that it

1816
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the coaching staff has nailed it with

1817
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, like they haven't really exactly. And when

1818
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: I say nailed it eight, he hasn't been thrilled with

1819
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: his usage and and like the defense and the scheme

1820
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: that they're running and all that kind of stuff. I'll

1821
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: tell you you're anti Mike McDaniel. We know that you

1822
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: don't want as a head coach. Yeah, you don't like him?

1823
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: I do think, well, no, because this is where we

1824
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: always gets twisted. He's a good play designer. He's a

1825
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: very good play designer.

1826
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: He is. I will give him credit for that. I

1827
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: don't like him as a head coach. So I watched

1828
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: his press conference the other day. Yeah, he looks a

1829
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: little bit like a beaten man. Like he looks he's

1830
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: he's very you know, he used to be this like

1831
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: vibrant guy, this big personality. Uh maybe even to a

1832
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: detriment at times he's feeling you can feel the hot

1833
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: butt almost like he was hired to that king early

1834
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: and he's in overseas and you feel the seat warmer

1835
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: on that guy. I wonder who said that that that

1836
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: might be the case. It's tough when for them, and

1837
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: I know this is in Dolphins Catch twenty two, but

1838
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: they are a division. It is tough for them that

1839
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: they just can't keep to a healthy Like if I'm

1840
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: not saying they would have won the super Bowl, then stop.

1841
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: But they've also had a couple of decent backup quarterbacks

1842
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 2: that they just get rid of. Sure, but like invest

1843
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 2: if you know you have an injury prone quarterback, invest

1844
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 2: in a good backup.

1845
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: When they win to a plays, they are like a

1846
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: ten to eleven win pace team. That's not the differentiator.

1847
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: And he's I think he is a differentiator because of

1848
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: how they run their offense. Like their offense is so

1849
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: motion heavy and it's so multiple and all these different

1850
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: things that you need a true to a esque trigger

1851
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: man like Tua is a point guard. He's not a

1852
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 1: he's not an overlease like toolsy quarterback. He's not Josh

1853
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Allen or you know, Mahomes or Lamar right where he's

1854
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: got these crazy physical tools. He's more of like that

1855
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: point G distributor, and they the way that offense hums

1856
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: when he's out there is just different than what they

1857
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: has been with their backups, so that that's not just

1858
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: to let them off the hook, like they have a

1859
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: fragile quarterback and they don't necessarily account for it the

1860
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: way if they should with a reliable backup. But they're

1861
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: a ten to eleven win paced team. They're a playoff

1862
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: team with two and they're not without them. Right, it's

1863
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: that simple. What year did McDaniel get there?

1864
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 5: Again?

1865
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty twenty ish, I

1866
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: want to say it's like the third or fourth year.

1867
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: So the thing I'm trying to find is the real differentiator.

1868
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: So here it is against teams over or under five hundred.

1869
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: I gotta look up the year here. This is why

1870
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: it's not Dolphins catch twenty two because we don't know the.

1871
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 2: I want to say it was twenty it was twenty two, Okay, Yeah,

1872
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 2: So since twenty twenty two, the Dolphins against teams under

1873
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: five hundred, five and three, ten and one, seven and

1874
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: four against teams over five hundred which gave for five

1875
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: one in five, one in five. They can't beat good

1876
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: team two has played in these games. Will because there's

1877
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: the other thing about to his record in the cold.

1878
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: I'll give you that they can't beat good teams and

1879
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 2: they can't beat teams with the cold because shocker Mike

1880
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: mcdanne refuses to make any adjustments about anything.

1881
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: Ever, I don't think it's that. I really don't, and

1882
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I know we get into this argument philosophically all the time.

1883
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: It's still in your school, though, what I think my

1884
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: biggest criticism of the Dolphins, My biggest criticism of the

1885
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Dolphins is that they can't beat the good teams because

1886
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: they get killed in the trenches. They get murdered every time.

1887
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Especially they're all good teams are usually good in the

1888
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 2: trenches right there.

1889
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: They just they are not a physical football team. So

1890
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: they don't play well in the cold. They don't play

1891
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: well against good teams that are built in the mid

1892
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: through the trenches. They don't, you know, they don't play

1893
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: well in those situations. Their offensive line has been terrible

1894
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: for basically like two or three years now, as bad

1895
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: as the Patriots in some ways, and a big reason

1896
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: why is because they don't invest in it. You know,

1897
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: they don't draft people, know, they don't really invest highly. Now,

1898
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: they drafted an offensive lineman this year, right.

1899
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 2: Defensive linean didn't they take the kid from Michigan Kenneth Grant.

1900
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: You're right they did. Yeah, Now they need to run defense.

1901
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: That was a bit, That's a part of it. It's

1902
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. They needed to be sure

1903
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: up the middle. But they just feel they're like allergic

1904
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: to drafting a good offensive lineman. And it's worse this

1905
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: year because Toront Armstead retired. So it's like they don't

1906
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: have I don't even think they have a starting left

1907
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: tackle that you feel great about right now. They have

1908
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: invested in speed on the outside, you know, Hill and Waddle,

1909
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: obviously John new Smith. That tight end was an investment.

1910
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: They are heavily invested in their backfield like they're running

1911
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: backs like a chan and those guys they that's all

1912
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: they care about. This is to your point. They care

1913
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: about the skill players, and they care about the scheme,

1914
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: and they don't care about the trenches, and they just

1915
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: get bullied by these good teams and the trenches. It's

1916
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: tough so to.

1917
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 2: Against teams over five hundred or sorry, yeah, against teams

1918
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: over five hundred six and thirteen since since Mike McDaniel

1919
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: got there, against teams over five under five hundred nineteen

1920
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: and three nineteen and three against under five hundred six

1921
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 2: and thirteen against it. So it it too is a

1922
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 2: part of that.

1923
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: It's not all of it, but it is a part

1924
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: of Okay, So I want to hear they're starting projected

1925
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: offensive line. This is our lads, Debtha Winstill No, I

1926
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: thought it was. He started from the last year. It's

1927
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: not good. Okay, So here's their starting five on the

1928
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: offensive line. Tell me if this is better or worse

1929
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: than the Patriotskay, your boy Patrick paul I left tackle.

1930
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: I do like Patrick did not play really as ad

1931
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: play last Yeah, a total unknown. Isaiah Win is maybe

1932
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. Keep going. James Daniels, who's a veteran

1933
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: free agent signing over from Pittsburgh, was a good player.

1934
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: But it's been heard so that would have been their

1935
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: West s White Seri equivalent. He's a little bit better.

1936
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: Then, we'll call that, all right, So we'll give that

1937
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: one of the Dolphins. They know left guard, that's left guard.

1938
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: We'll give that one. Of the Dolphins. Aaron Brewer at

1939
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: center is a really good player, so give him that.

1940
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: He's good. Here's one that was Patriot adjacent Jonas right

1941
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: now projected starting right guard. I'll take Austin Jackson at

1942
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: right tackle. I'll take more Moses. That might be the

1943
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: worst offensive line. Not good, it's not good. Brewers are

1944
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: really good center. And then what's there about it? Like, uh,

1945
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,759
Speaker 1: not great? Any names that we'd even recognize that? Jackson

1946
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Carmen is still kicking around the league. He's backing up

1947
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: at guard. Liam Eichenberg still Kaaran Irad has been a

1948
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: huge bus for them. Yeah. Uh, Andrew Meyer is like

1949
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: a veteran journeyman center. He's kind of like a West Tweitzerka.

1950
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: He's in that mold. The one good player on their

1951
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: offensive line that I feel good about. Jonah will be

1952
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: a good player, but he's Aaron Brews a really good center,

1953
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: like top five, top ten centers in the league. But

1954
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: other than that, you're you're looking at a bunch of Yeah,

1955
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: that's not pretty, and they don't they Their highest draft

1956
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: pick was Jonaho's a high second round pack well, because

1957
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: they just want fast guys and offense aren't fast. They

1958
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: want Chop Robinson and they want athletes on offense, like

1959
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking at. All right, let's get back

1960
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: to the phones. Uh At, it was a full Dolphins minute.

1961
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: And I feel like like we don't have to be

1962
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: like glass houses anymore because I feel like the Patriots

1963
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: are kind of in a good spot. So I don't

1964
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: better than that offensive line wise, they might be better. Honestly,

1965
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: that might be the worst offensive line in the NFL.

1966
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: All right, Emories in Virginia. What's up, Emory?

1967
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 4: Yes, good afternoon, Jim. Enjoy your show man. Hey, I

1968
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 4: got a couple of questions here. What have you seen

1969
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 4: from Kobe minor anything? I'll take anything if you've seen

1970
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 4: anything from Nick Kids and my last one, My last

1971
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 4: one is a fante Samuel s has the Patriots closed

1972
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 4: the door on him? The kind of had a Hall

1973
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 4: of Fame career as far as his total career, and

1974
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,480
Speaker 4: he has some good years here with New England Patriots.

1975
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:53,799
Speaker 4: Help me out, what do you mean.

1976
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,440
Speaker 1: By closing the door, like in terms of like alumni stuff.

1977
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: Or yeah, alumna stung. I haven't seen in any games,

1978
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 4: no conversation from you guys or all of anybody realt.

1979
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 4: Nobody talks about Asante sam You've seeing it, and I

1980
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 4: thought the guy had an amazing career Hall of Fame

1981
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 4: work over fifteen interceptions, seven returns for touchdowns. He owned

1982
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 4: the NFC in NFL postseason interception return for touchdowns. He

1983
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 4: owns that and two Super Bowls.

1984
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair point, Emory, Thanks for the call.

1985
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: I I know it didn't end great with Bill and Sante,

1986
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: so that it might stem from that Bill's not here anymore,

1987
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: So maybe there's an opportunity to iron out that relationship

1988
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: again now that that he's not around anymore. Rabel must

1989
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: must have played with Sante Samuel right today? He was

1990
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: he was on seven seven? Yeah, yeah, so last year, yeah,

1991
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: I think he was here. I think they overlapped, so maybe.

1992
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: Two years uh or no, yeah, they overlapped for a while.

1993
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 2: Rabel was here one oh eight, Samuel was here three

1994
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: zero seven.

1995
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1996
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was the Vergificantly Yeah, yeah so maybe yeah.

1997
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 2: Well, I also wonder if that question is we were

1998
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 2: just talking about the slot corners, like a Sante Samuel

1999
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: Junior still a free agent.

2000
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've seen some people bring him up as

2001
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: a potential fit. Yeah, what was the first thing Zobe minor?

2002
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: Kobe Minor he had. He's been in that opportunity group.

2003
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: I didn't really see anything eye bobbing from him, but

2004
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: just in terms of where he's playing and who he's

2005
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: playing with. He's been sort of with that with that

2006
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: third group, I would say for most of minicamp, which

2007
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: isn't surprising, you know. So it was like Marcus Bryan

2008
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: was like, you know, playing in that that spot, would

2009
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: tackle with a lot of Ben Woolridge reps and stuff

2010
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: like that with him. Yeah, so similar. All right, Uh,

2011
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: William is in Philly. What's up, William? Haven't heard from

2012
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: you in a while.

2013
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 3: It's been a while. How you doing good? Yeah? Well,

2014
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 3: I just wanted I didn't get a chance that the

2015
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 3: talk about far as the real fast just I was

2016
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 3: very pleased. I was pleased. Uh, will Campbell, I understand it, Evan,

2017
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 3: you know I was. I was a little against it,

2018
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 3: but I understand we needed a tackle. I like to

2019
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 3: running back and Kyle was a Kyle Williams the wide receiver. Yeah,

2020
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 3: I said, okay, okay, I like free agency everything I have.

2021
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 3: If Bill was doing this, it probably wouldn't went this

2022
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 3: way though, But I was very pleased. I have no

2023
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 3: complaints of anything.

2024
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 4: I just.

2025
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 3: Still looking trying to for that true number one. And

2026
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 3: that's just the take I wish you want to have

2027
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 3: with Alex will Fast. I know we in twenty twenty five.

2028
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 3: I know his name is, is it John Mayors?

2029
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 4: S missed?

2030
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 3: If I'm staying right, he doesn't come out.

2031
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 2: To Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, you gonna ask about wide reserves

2032
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 2: next year. So Jeremiah Smith's twenty seven, right, and Ryan Williams.

2033
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Those are the two best receivers in college football. They're

2034
01:33:58,320 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: both another year.

2035
01:33:59,320 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2036
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 3: Do you see Mark Wave was moving up to get them,

2037
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 3: I mean to get one of them. Maybe that's our

2038
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 3: chance to finally get a true number one.

2039
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean two years from now hopefully, or you know,

2040
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: by the time we get there twenty twenty seven draft,

2041
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: that's year three of Drake May right, and.

2042
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Doing my math right there, Yeah, they should be a

2043
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: playoff team. They shouldn't be this year four we're going

2044
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 1: into here, or year four of Drake.

2045
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: May Yeah, they should not be in a spot where

2046
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 2: they can trade up that I mean, those guys will

2047
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 2: both gonna be top five picks. They shouldn't be in

2048
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 2: a spot where they can trade up to the top five.

2049
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: I think I can give you some names this year

2050
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 2: if you want, if they're in a position now. Granted,

2051
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 2: I think I said this about who was it a

2052
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and I was like, if they're

2053
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 2: in a position draft and they it's not good.

2054
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that.

2055
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 2: About Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams if they're in a

2056
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,560
Speaker 2: position draft those guys.

2057
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: Something went wrong.

2058
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 2: As good as those players are right, this year's draft

2059
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 2: is weird just because some of the top receivers are

2060
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 2: true juniors. So are they gonna come out? Are they

2061
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 2: gonna go back to school? One name I've heard a lot,

2062
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 2: so Carnel Tait is the guy you like from Ohio

2063
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 2: State and they got to.

2064
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Get an X.

2065
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 5: So.

2066
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams from Clemson is so many people have talked about.

2067
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 2: I think he's an inside guy. He's a good player,

2068
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 2: but he's more redundant than he get that true X.

2069
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 2: Carnel Tate from Ohio State is a big name, and

2070
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 2: I think he's a senior.

2071
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: I think he's coming out.

2072
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston from Washington is another name you'll hear a

2073
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 2: lot he is really that traditional, big, physical X. I

2074
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: haven't done a ton of work, so this is a

2075
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: very light comparison. Don't take this gospel.

2076
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: It will probably change.

2077
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 2: But that is your sort of tech McMillan kind of player,

2078
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 2: the guy I really like. And he is a true

2079
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 2: junior and his quarterback's a true junior. So I don't know.

2080
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 2: They may stay and I'm gonna be watching this all year.

2081
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, he.

2082
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, he is.

2083
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can let you go. You

2084
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 2: don't have to stay odd for this whole explanation, I

2085
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to hold you, but

2086
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 2: uh yeah, Jordan Tyson is like he's big, but he's

2087
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 2: not so big that he's lumbering, right. He's got good speed,

2088
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: he's quick, he's got great ball skills. He's just really young.

2089
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of variation there. And I

2090
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: think I said this about Tet McMillan last year, who

2091
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 2: came out as a true junior. A lot of the hype, right,

2092
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: there is projection, right, this kid is going to turn

2093
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: twenty one in August. So what you know we're talking about, Well,

2094
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 2: this is what he's on the path to become If

2095
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: he becomes that guy, you're talking about, somebody who's a

2096
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: top ten, top fifteen pick and can play the X

2097
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 2: and be a legitimate playmaker in the NFL. There are

2098
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 2: also guys that have been at this point in their

2099
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 2: career that have that hype that they just don't take

2100
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 2: that next step. He's got a good quarterback in Sam Levitt.

2101
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: It's a really rising program, fast rising program at Arizona State.

2102
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 2: They've done a great job with player development. I think

2103
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: he's in good hands there. I think Hines Ward is

2104
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 2: actually their wide receivers coach. I know he wasn't one point,

2105
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: but I feel like it was around in this time

2106
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 2: last year. I did this, this feel about Tet McMillan.

2107
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: So this is this is the guy that I'm kind

2108
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 2: of behind. As we start the season.

2109
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: It can change. There's a whole other season to go.

2110
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about a first round receiver for

2111
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots in twenty twenty six, if he comes out,

2112
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Tyson.

2113
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, Okay, uh just real, just real fat.

2114
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 3: But I know I haven't been calling like that. Whatever,

2115
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 3: It's not that because my job is kind of a

2116
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: little demanded and asking a lot of me. But but

2117
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 3: when I'm like, I'm off to dato. So that's why

2118
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm able to call when I just to check it

2119
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 3: in on y'all guys. But I'm always listening to y'all. Okay,

2120
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 3: So I have agree and y'all take care.

2121
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks William, it was good to hear from you.

2122
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for the kindes. Ward is the wide receivers coach

2123
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: Arizona State.

2124
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 4: Still.

2125
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I really liked. Uh. You know,

2126
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 1: I haven't watched any of these guys closely, but just

2127
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 1: seeing Cardinal Tate in the in the college football playoff,

2128
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: just one of those smooth Ohio State wide receives.

2129
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: He's in Ohio State X. He's not like JSN No.

2130
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: He's more like a laved Garrett Wilson type. Yeah, just

2131
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: like smooth athletes. He's big, six', three, toy he's, big

2132
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: he's got some he's got some. SKILL i think you

2133
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: will Like Jordan tyson The arizona's. Take, YEAH i think

2134
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 1: you will Like you're not it's not AND i know

2135
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 1: all the caveats of a whole fault college football season to.

2136
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: Go but this class is is not is not? Great,

2137
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: right it's not? There, well it's it's similar to this, year, Right,

2138
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: like it's. Not there's not A i think it's better

2139
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: than this. Year there's. Not there's not A Marvin harrison,

2140
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: Junior Milik. Neighbors, well here's the weird thing about this.

2141
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Class there's so many young. Guys there's so Many Red

2142
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: strips sophomores And Drew junior is that there's a lot of.

2143
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: Variants so there are guys that have that, upside but

2144
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: they haven't played to it. Yet there's nobody going into

2145
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: the season that you're hyping like. That there, is but

2146
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: they're not in the draft until next. Year so but

2147
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 1: like last, year there's more upside with this group than

2148
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: there was last. YEAR'S i would, Say, so we're getting

2149
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the way ahead of ourselves with the twenty twenty. Seven

2150
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: you knew it was going to happen. Eventually but has

2151
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: there ever been a wide receiver going one two in the?

2152
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Draft probably, not not THAT i can think. Of, No,

2153
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: NOW i Would Jeremiah smith to me IS i would

2154
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: Pick Jeremiah smith Over Ryan. WILLIAMS i think he's a

2155
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: little bit more physically. Imposing, Yeah Jeremiah smith And ryan's

2156
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: are a lot Of Julio jones like. THAT i see

2157
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: that sort of. Player he's just so freaking, good where

2158
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Like Ryan williams still looks a little his body type so.

2159
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: Long Ryan williams to, me is a Good Ryan williams

2160
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:30,839
Speaker 1: is just souped.

2161
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 2: Up and this guy's really good AND i think HE

2162
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 2: i think he's a better version Of DeVonta.

2163
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: Smith, yeah that's a good. Comp, yeah just from the

2164
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 1: body type perspective and the. Place Jeremiah smith just is

2165
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: just a freaking you, Know.

2166
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: Jeremiah, okay you know how we always get annoyed when

2167
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 2: people throw out generational, prospect, Right this is why we get,

2168
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 2: annoyed because When Jeremiah smith comes, along we need a

2169
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 2: way to describe.

2170
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: Him Maybe Jamar chase, TOO i GUESS i could see that.

2171
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: COMP i know that gets thrown.

2172
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Out so When Jeremiah smith got when we finished What

2173
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: Jeremiah smith was a true freshman last, year, Right, Yeah

2174
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 2: so when we finished the twenty four, draft, YES i

2175
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 2: started looking at recruiting and the true freshman coming, in

2176
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,520
Speaker 2: AND i was Reading Jeremiah smith's, bio which was unbelievable

2177
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: on twenty four to.

2178
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: SEVEN i was asking people about, it AND i saw

2179
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: somebody said somewhere like like he's better Than Marvin Harrison.

2180
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 2: Junior And i'm, like, oh like a better, Prospect like

2181
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a BETTER nfl? Prospect is, no right,

2182
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 2: now he's better Than Marvin Harrison, junior who everybody was

2183
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 2: calling generational coming out of the.

2184
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: Draft SO i the one thing that's going to stop

2185
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: them Going julio is like high school games are ON. Espn,

2186
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: yeah but they, were like they were showing. Him they

2187
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,839
Speaker 1: do those Like friday night, lights like high school, specials

2188
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 1: and they would go and they would Show Julio jones'

2189
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: high school. Game you don't really, do like who nobody

2190
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 1: gets that? Anymore like where? Then, yeah but that's the last. Name,

2191
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: yeah DID i did she do or have one of?

2192
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: THOSE i think you had. ONE i don't think he.

2193
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,759
Speaker 2: Did he might, have like they televised some high school,

2194
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 2: games but it wasn't because the.

2195
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: Cruits so CAN i CAN i bring this back to

2196
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: to twenty? SIX i want to give you one more

2197
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 1: thing on next.

2198
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Year by the, Way Jeremiah smith is the ninth highest

2199
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 2: rated recruit in twenty four to seven. History he is

2200
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:21,799
Speaker 2: the highest rated wide. Receiver this is since two, thousand

2201
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 2: so this Includes Julio, jones who is the thirty seventh

2202
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 2: highest rate of all. Time the reason they're not gonna

2203
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: go one. TOO i mean they might go one, too

2204
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 2: but if they, Don't Dylan stewart From South, carolina WHO

2205
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 2: i know you watched because he Faced Well, Campbell Dylan

2206
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 2: stewart is maybe it's Not Jeremy, smith maybe he's close

2207
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: To Ryan, williams but like he is one of the

2208
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 2: best edge prospects we've. Seen he get AND i mean

2209
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 2: it's the, school but he gets a lot of comps to, clowning.

2210
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: Right and that will be the that will be will,

2211
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: happen whether It's smith Or. Williams you, know someone's gonna

2212
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: fall a couple OF i don't think they're gonna go one.

2213
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: TOO i actually don't think they're gonna both. Go like

2214
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: there's a chance that one of them, falls like slightly

2215
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: just because of Positional Jeremiah smith should go one, One

2216
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: yeah he. Might Jeremiah smith is. Different But Ryan williams

2217
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 1: might go like. Six LIKE i wouldn't be, shocked you,

2218
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: Know Like Milik neighbors went, Six you, know, LIKE i

2219
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: don't think that's out of the. Possible can we get

2220
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: back to the twenty six offseason, though because now we're

2221
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: two years ahead of. Time but here's let me just

2222
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: say this on. That it's that kind of.

2223
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 2: Draft this is a lot of the context for the

2224
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 2: twenty years away from. It you were gonna hear a

2225
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 2: lot during the twenty sixth. Draft, no, okay but if

2226
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 2: they do, this it means they can't get this guy twenty.

2227
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: Seven get ready for? That so can we can we

2228
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 1: talk about the twenty six? Offseason? Yeah this is very

2229
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: catch twenty. Two they have not played a game in

2230
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: twenty five and we're talking about twenty.

2231
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 2: Six but getting too far? Ahead isn't talking about the next?

2232
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 2: Draft is talking about.

2233
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 1: The draft After So nicholas And oslo norway across the.

2234
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: Pond he mentions, that you, know what is the our

2235
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: biggest needs heading into twenty twenty? Six like what we

2236
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: think The patriots' biggest needs will be in twenty? Six

2237
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: he MENTIONS x, receiver right, tackle tight. END i would

2238
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: say those are all on the. List edge, rusher pass

2239
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: rusher is gonna be really.

2240
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: High you know how we do like a big three

2241
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 2: needs every. Year, yeah zooming on Our henry stays, healthy

2242
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,879
Speaker 2: they're probably year away from tight end on that developmental titands,

2243
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 2: Right but that's not a big three. Thing, sure it's

2244
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 2: the wide, receiver the right, tackle and then that pass.

2245
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 1: Rusher, yeah class rusher might be a little bit of

2246
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:28,560
Speaker 1: a weaker. Class SO I i know it's easy to, say, like,

2247
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: oh just go drafted In, hutchinson, right like obviously that's but,

2248
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: YEAH i would say a real true three down impact

2249
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher is probably there still their biggest hole when

2250
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 1: you start to factor in positional value and like all

2251
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: that kind of, Stuff, like obviously left guard is probably

2252
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 1: they're truly their biggest hole on their depth chart right.

2253
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Now but you're not. Good hopefully they're not drafting a

2254
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,719
Speaker 1: left guard as high as you know in the first. Round,

2255
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: well we've been down this road. Before, Yes but even

2256
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: if they have a even if they're as good as

2257
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: some people think they're gonna be and they're that team

2258
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: that goes from worse to first or something like that

2259
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: and they make the, playoffs they're picking early twenties and

2260
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: they take a left guard THAT i.

2261
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 2: Was gonna, say we've been down that road BEFORE i

2262
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 2: WAS i know you're gonna be. Upset we've been down

2263
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 2: that road. Before there is one pass. Rusher so some

2264
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 2: of the names of the top right, Now Ruben bain From, MIAMI.

2265
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 2: Jt overton From, Alabama Michael, kamara WHO i think some

2266
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 2: people started looking at last. Year he could have come

2267
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 2: out if that's What i'm thinking, Of Denise Dennis sutton

2268
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: From Penn, state number thirty. THREE i don't know if

2269
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: you recall any of him from Watching Abdul. Carter he

2270
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: had he had a really good college football. Playoff he

2271
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 2: had a really good college football. Playoff he's one of,

2272
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 2: these like It's Penn, state freak. Athlete coach him up

2273
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 2: on the skills kind of, thing, like that's a. Guy

2274
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 2: if The patriots are a five hundred team or, BETTER

2275
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 2: i think that's probably gonna be one of the guys

2276
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:49,719
Speaker 2: we're talking.

2277
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: About, YEAH i would say right now for, me And

2278
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: i'm an offense, guy BUT i would like to see

2279
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: them get a pass. Rusher it got off the. Edge you,

2280
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: KNOW i say pass, rusher BUT i really mean edge,

2281
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: rusher that type of. Player it just seems like that

2282
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: would really put a bow on a lot of. Things

2283
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and plus it's also a blue chip. Position it's a

2284
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: premium position if you get a boot chip, talent like

2285
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: it's another building block type of. Position right where you Have,

2286
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,719
Speaker 1: gonzo you Have Drake may hopefully you Have Will campbell

2287
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,879
Speaker 1: at left. Tackle and then if you add a premium

2288
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: pass rusher to that, too now that's another pillar type

2289
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: of player in position that you can stack the board

2290
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 1: on like? That do you to watch some constructive criticism

2291
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 1: that is really just a constructive? Criticism to, me this

2292
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 1: might be like a pu email actually because you're mentioned in,

2293
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: it but none of these criticisms are about. You. No,

2294
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: no the second ONE i think is more. Pus i'll

2295
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: read the first. Criticism he says that on catch twenty, Two, evan.

2296
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 2: We get a, name not get criticized. Anonymously It's jared In.

2297
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 2: La but again he likes. You there's no criticisms of you.

2298
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: Here So, evan on catch twenty, two when you wanted

2299
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: to say something But alex is, talking you make a

2300
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: noise that is unfathomly uncomfortable to. SAY i don't never

2301
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 1: even notice. That it sounds like he types a bunch

2302
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 1: of e's yeah you and, Ah i'm probably saying yeah

2303
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: Because i'm agreeing With alex's point or actively listening to his.

2304
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Point it's.

2305
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay this could also be one of those things where

2306
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 2: like it's all critical you and then he's watching this

2307
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 2: and it's, like oh, SHOOT i got them mixed.

2308
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: Up it happens all the, time BUT i say it

2309
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: under my breath and the mic picks it up every every,

2310
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: time period after every. Period, LITERALLY i can't describe it.

2311
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: BETTER i. CAN i assume he MEANS i. Can he

2312
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 1: SAID i, can't BUT i can describe it better without calling.

2313
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 1: IN i don't. KNOW i Think i'm pretty sure it's

2314
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:49,600
Speaker 1: me saying, yeah WHICH i do some.

2315
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 2: Type i've never noticed anything out of place in. THAT

2316
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 2: i know you do, that but that's NOT i don't

2317
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 2: think you say it. Weird THAT'S i know people get

2318
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 2: on me for and, yeah AND i know people get

2319
01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 2: on me With that's WHERE i thought that was.

2320
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 1: Going, see, YEAH i just did it like oh, that,

2321
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: yeah that's. Normal it's. OKAY i don't. Protest i'll take the.

2322
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: CRITICISM i. Constructive the other one is more PU I i.

2323
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 1: Think but when we like preface our takes With i'm

2324
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: not saying we're fitting him for a red, jacket Or

2325
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: i'm not, saying you, know he's gonna be an all

2326
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 1: pro or, anything Or i'm not comparing him To Tom.

2327
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: BRADY i get it like those he. Says it's me

2328
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: in particular again that does this too. Often but, LOOK

2329
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 1: i do that a. Lot And i'm not trying to

2330
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 1: say this to toot my own. Horn but we're in

2331
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: the business where like IF i come on this show

2332
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 1: AND i say That Drake may is gonna is going

2333
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: to be the Next Tom, brady that will get clipped

2334
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: and then it will be like held over that. Forever

2335
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you've got to qualify stuff in this. Business, Yeah so

2336
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: like IF i don't qualify, stuff THEN i leave My

2337
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: LIKE I i don't want to get in that sort of. Thing,

2338
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay and Again i'm NOT i know that sounded a little.

2339
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Arrogant i'm not trying to be, arrogant But i'm just

2340
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 1: saying that if you say something about a player and

2341
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 1: you're get a little bit, excited and you get a

2342
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: little bit over the top about, it then you're you

2343
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: will Get. Oh Evan lazar said On catch twenty two

2344
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: that you Know Drake may is gonna WIN, Mvp, like,

2345
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: NO i didn't say, that, Right so that's why we do.

2346
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: That BUT I i. UNDERSTAND i appreciate the constructive. CRITICISMS

2347
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: i will work on my. YEAHS I i guess that's

2348
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: WHAT i was. AT i think that's what than.

2349
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 6: That.

2350
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 1: NO i told you that none of them are about,

2351
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: you and they all love, you all, Right, kendall but

2352
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't even juicy for. You minor. Stuff kendall is

2353
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 1: In North. Carolina what's, Up?

2354
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 4: Kendall, Hey, hey how you?

2355
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 7: Doing he Could, HEY i wanted to, ask what's going

2356
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 7: on with Jaylen. POLK i know he's been, hurt BUT

2357
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 7: i was just seeing him participating like like in most

2358
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 7: of the. Drills look like he's kind of competedive be

2359
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 7: in the, drills going up for the, balls catch and running.

2360
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 7: Around is he just he just can't participate in the

2361
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 7: practice right? Now Or and my second, thing how far

2362
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 7: do you feel he's behind you think you'd be ready to?

2363
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 4: Train?

2364
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 5: Account?

2365
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah so he's uh, Appreciate, Okay, kendell thanks for the.

2366
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Call so he said. That rabel actually said this. Yesterday

2367
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 1: he did have a shoulder procedure in the off. Season

2368
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: he indred his shoulder at the very end of last.

2369
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: Year it was the last second to last game of the.

2370
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 1: SEASON i want to say it was actually finished the

2371
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: year on ir, technically but it. Was it was one like,

2372
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 1: that and he had the. Shoulder he's still coming back from.

2373
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 1: That he is. Running him And digs are on the

2374
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: same exact. Program they do absolutely everything in, practice, individuals,

2375
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 1: walkthroughs and then when the live team stuff, starts they

2376
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: are off on a side, field so they're all they're

2377
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: not the only thing they're not doing is the live

2378
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: live team eleven on. Eleven's they are doing everything else

2379
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: AND i actually it's routes against air, again same THING

2380
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 1: i said With, Diggs bulk looks like he's in good.

2381
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 1: Shape he's just not cleared for full contact. Yet not

2382
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that we're full contact, now but full, PRACTICE i guess

2383
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: is a better way to put. That so that's what he's.

2384
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: Doing him And digs have been on the same. Regiment

2385
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 1: they're working together off on this on the other field

2386
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may. Be and when the team

2387
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: is running eleven on, eleven's they're running through. Routes it's

2388
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 1: usually With Ashon, grant the offensive assistant that they're running

2389
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 1: routes and it seems like they're trying to mirror what's

2390
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: going on on the like the other field and running

2391
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: the same type of routes that they would be if

2392
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 1: they were participating in the eleven on. Eleven so that's

2393
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 1: what those guys have been. Doing that was the other

2394
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: thing about practice as we wrap up with the show,

2395
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 1: here AND i want to mention one Non patriots thing

2396
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 1: real quick. Too that was one thing that stood out

2397
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 1: to me about to practice is just the method of

2398
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: the madness of how they structure. Practice AND i want

2399
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: to Say bill did, this AND i don't necessarily want

2400
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: to say That jirod didn't do, this because maybe they

2401
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: did And i'm just not one hundred percent remembering. It

2402
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: but there is a very clear build up To Mike

2403
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: rabel's practice script where they start practice within these like

2404
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: every team, individuals but then they go to like routes

2405
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:01,280
Speaker 1: against air or defense against, air where the rep the

2406
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: same stuff they're gonna rep in the eleven on. Elevens

2407
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: so they'll do it against, air then they'll do it

2408
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: at a jog through pace against the, defense whereas it's

2409
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: eleven on, eleven but it's at a slower tempo like

2410
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: an upscale walk through and then they get to the

2411
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 1: live team. Drill so by the time they get To

2412
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 1: live eleven on eleven's that's the third time that they've

2413
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: repped that set of plays that they're working on in.

2414
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 1: Practice like that's gotta be really helpful for like muscle

2415
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: memory and learning the. Plays so you have this like

2416
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: clear build up from routes on, air walk through reps

2417
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: live eleven on eleven and they just like do that

2418
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 1: as like a circuit each, day and then each day

2419
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 1: is you, know obviously the plays are a little bit,

2420
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 1: different but even some of the uh between the twenties

2421
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,799
Speaker 1: eleven on, elevens when they're doing base, stuff it's clearly

2422
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 1: the same play as each.

2423
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 2: Day, well AND i think some of it too is

2424
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 2: we talked earlier about just how practice there's a good

2425
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 2: flow to.

2426
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 1: Practice everything's, moving they're not.

2427
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 2: Stopping you can fix what you need fix during those

2428
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,639
Speaker 2: slower periods when you get into the up tempo rat

2429
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 2: parts moving because you've already kind of made the.

2430
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Corrections, yeah it's you can see. It and then there's

2431
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 1: times where you literally will see a guy against air

2432
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 1: run a route and then you go fast forward to

2433
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: the eleven on eleven and he wins on the route

2434
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 1: on eleven on, eleven and it's, like, oh, okay well

2435
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 1: they practiced that earlier and now they're doing. It borne

2436
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: had one the other, day ran that circus route where

2437
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: you fake like you're gonna break inside and then you

2438
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 1: break out on the out and and he ran that

2439
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,640
Speaker 1: route perfectly in the, drill and then he ran it

2440
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: perfectly in eleven on elevens and caught a touchdown in red.

2441
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: Zone so that was a that's a very clear kind

2442
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,799
Speaker 1: of structure to. Practice all, RIGHT a couple more questions

2443
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 1: from the, emails and THEN i want TO i want

2444
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: to talk like two minutes On Roman anthony Because i'm

2445
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 1: really excited About Roman, anthony all, right AND i gotta

2446
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 1: get this. Out but in a, second this is a good,

2447
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: question in your, opinion who on the roster would you

2448
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: trade and? Why who on the roster would trading?

2449
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 2: WHY i just think if they have players with trade,

2450
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 2: value they probably shouldn't be trading those guys because they

2451
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 2: need the.

2452
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 1: Talent that's a tough. Question do you have an? Answer

2453
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: it's Between Kendrick born And Kishan. Boody, YEAH i guess

2454
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,719
Speaker 1: a wide receiver would be my. Answer so we both

2455
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 1: did our run throughs of a roster. Projection so far

2456
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna post, YOURS i think right, on, yeah on

2457
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 1: The Sports. Up so maybe Next, wednesday well we'll talk

2458
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: more in depth about roster projections and do that sort

2459
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: of thing on the. Air but the we both sort

2460
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: of got settled on maybe seven guys in the wide receiver.

2461
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 1: ROOM i just feel it just feels one. Heavy and

2462
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: if you're gonna Keep Afton, chisholm if he's truly gonna

2463
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: be here and is already stamped the roster and things

2464
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 1: like not, already but is going to treading in that,

2465
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: direction it just seems like they have a lot of

2466
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 1: bodies there AND i don't, know maybe It's, born maybe It's,

2467
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Booty maybe it's just which ever guy has the most

2468
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: trade value in that. Room no offense or anything to

2469
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 1: any of these, players but, yeah Like Javon, BAKER i

2470
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: just don't know what kind of trade value you're gonna

2471
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: have With Javon. Baker you, know he's probably a guy that's,

2472
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Expendable but it's hard to sit here and say you're

2473
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna get anything, Back like if you could get something.

2474
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 1: Back you, know day three pick For booty or born like,

2475
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 1: that that's probably worth. It maybe if you feel like

2476
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: you have a logjam in numbers, there what position would

2477
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 1: you look to add and?

2478
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 2: Why WHAT i mean starting left guard for free. Safety

2479
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 2: i've been on. THIS i think that They Craig. Woodson he,

2480
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 2: honestly he's just been so good in. Coverage, yeah like

2481
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 2: at the you, know at line of scrimmage man. COVERAGE

2482
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 2: i don't know THAT i want them in center. FIELD

2483
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 2: i don't know if that's the best use of his skill.

2484
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: SET i would say left guard as. WELL i pass

2485
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 1: strusher is definitely up there. Too Ed, dresher if they

2486
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: could pull off a Trade hendrickson trade or who's the

2487
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: other guy's holding? OUT Tj, Watt, yeah OBVIOUSLY i would

2488
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: do that if it's if it's available and it makes

2489
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: sense with the picks and all that stuff that would

2490
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: have to go, Back but you could probably find a

2491
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 1: veteran left guard that you could just plug in And

2492
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: i'll hold them to it on This this was one

2493
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about on this show all off.

2494
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 1: Season we just were looking for them to add that

2495
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: one year stop gap left. Guard, yeah who was The

2496
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 1: Morgan moses of left, guards, right, like just get that

2497
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: guy so that you can kick that can down the

2498
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 1: road and then invest in that later. On but get

2499
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: through the season with a serviceable. Player did they think

2500
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: it Was Wes. SCHWEITZER i don't, know maybe they. Did

2501
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: it would seem like early on maybe they thought that

2502
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: who's that's who it was going to. Be BUT i

2503
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 1: never felt great about. THAT i compared him To Michael

2504
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: jordan last. YEAR i thought that was the level of

2505
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 1: Player jordan ended, up, Right so that was one, Thing and,

2506
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 1: yes it was one thing they might have missed out

2507
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: on this, Offseason BUT i don't hold it too much

2508
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: against them because if that's the one thing they they

2509
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: didn't hit this, offseason then they had a pretty good.

2510
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 1: Offseason it's a left. Guard it's not like they ignored left,

2511
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 1: tackle so, right SO i give them a break and

2512
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: that you probably weren't going to be able to hit

2513
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: everything that you needed in one. Offseason but could you

2514
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: have paid a little bit more for a free agent

2515
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 1: guard who was a little bit better Than Wes schweitzer

2516
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 1: that you knew was going to play this, year and

2517
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 1: not that you could have predicted a? Retirement But Wes

2518
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 1: schweitzer was a journeyman. Guard that is not one snap last. Year, yeah,

2519
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Right so could you have done a little bit more

2520
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 1: at that? Spot would be the one second GUESS i would.

2521
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 1: HAVE i know they're probably bigger second, guesses like A

2522
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: Dk metcalf trade or something like, that but that was

2523
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 1: a spot that could have been that should have been

2524
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 1: more easily filled in my. Opinion all, right so that's the.

2525
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: SHOW i know everybody hates WHEN i do, this but

2526
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: last two Nights i've been watching Some Red sox Because

2527
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 1: Roman anthony is up for The Red sox AND I

2528
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 1: i was excited, Mildly, alex and you're the baseball guy,

2529
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: here so that's Why i'm talking to you about. THIS

2530
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: i was excited mildly About mayor And hamble a, little,

2531
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: yeah but just based off of my very uneducated, opinion

2532
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 1: Like Roman anthony seems like a lot better. Player he's

2533
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 1: a different level of.

2534
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 2: Prospect, YEAH i don't know that he's a different level

2535
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 2: of player right, now but like he's gonna get. There you,

2536
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 2: know he has the potential to be a five tool.

2537
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Guy very excited about.

2538
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 1: Him you saw it last, Night like they don't and

2539
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: some of this is the, approach and we don't need

2540
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: to get into that whole, thing but, like, yeah they

2541
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of guys who hit the way

2542
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: the hit the ball the way he did last night

2543
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 1: to just kind of find that space down the line

2544
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: in driving a couple of.

2545
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 2: Runs like they they're just kind of swinging out of

2546
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 2: their shoes a. Lot so you, know his nuanced approached,

2547
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 2: plate you, know he's he's ahead on that and he

2548
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 2: made the air and right field he probably shouldn't be

2549
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 2: playing right. Field, uh you know he's a left. Fielder

2550
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 2: but he's.

2551
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: A like he's the number. One he wasn't just their

2552
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: number one. Prospect he was the number one prospect in.

2553
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 2: Baseball there's juice there that that being a number one

2554
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 2: prospect in baseball at whatever point in your, career being

2555
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 2: that almost equation as much to being a first overall

2556
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:05,040
Speaker 2: pick as being a first overall pick in baseball. Does

2557
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 2: like that's the prospect rankings are as much draft rankings

2558
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 2: as the actual draft. Rankings it takes them more, time,

2559
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 2: right so you've proven you can do it at one.

2560
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 2: Point SO i mean almost think of this like the

2561
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 2: first overall picks coming.

2562
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: In that's the. Way that's why it feels and just you,

2563
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: know again my very uneducated baseball, opinion just watching the

2564
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 1: swing and when he does make, contact even when he makes,

2565
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 1: out it's like he makes hard. Contact, Yeah so that

2566
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: was the big book liner off the. Pitcher that was

2567
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 1: like one hundred something miles an hour off the.

2568
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 2: Bat they have something called barrel, percentage which is, basically

2569
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 2: what percent of the time that you hit the ball

2570
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 2: are you hitting the ball with.

2571
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 1: The part of the bath you're supposed to hit it.

2572
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 2: With and he was putting up like goofy numbers in

2573
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 2: the miners, percentage, exit, velocity all that, stuff which it

2574
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 2: could not be the be all end all of. Evaluation,

2575
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 2: well but it's a definitive.

2576
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: Number so that's one of those. Ones hit the way

2577
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: he swings, too, Though and he's this, big tall dude

2578
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 1: six foot three six y. Four he's got you, know

2579
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: long lake you aren't when he gets the arm, extend

2580
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:02,920
Speaker 1: like you can tell that he's just gonna be able

2581
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 1: to hit the ball a mile and he hits it.

2582
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 1: Hard LIKE i, said even some of these outs that he's,

2583
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: MAKING i know he's only as a one hit in two,

2584
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 1: games but some of the outs that he's made are

2585
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: just hard hit balls or like the fly balls that

2586
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: he hits Like opo to left, field like he's still getting,

2587
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 1: it like pretty close to the, monster you, know like

2588
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 1: you were still.

2589
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 2: And that's, early like usually the first couple of weeks

2590
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 2: during an adjustment.

2591
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:25,919
Speaker 1: Period, yeah a lot Of i'm not a big baseball

2592
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: prospects guy and like some like we were furious like

2593
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 1: two years ago that weren't Calling, Marcelo, yeah because it's

2594
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous the way that they baby these. Guys and then

2595
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: on top of, that you like we had so many

2596
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 1: as kids Like Blake swihart and like all these like

2597
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: Other Anderson he's Not he's Not Blake, Swihart like it's

2598
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 1: this is just For Roman. Anthony you. Have there's different

2599
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: than sufferable to handholding you these.

2600
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 2: Guys to be up at twenty. One players don't come

2601
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:54,680
Speaker 2: up with twenty one years. Old they don't nine a rare.

2602
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Player, okay everybody tells Me Roman anthony is a rare.

2603
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Player what took so? Long so this this was. Different

2604
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 1: this was not about his he was ready to.

2605
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 2: Play the international guys are different than the high school

2606
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 2: like different development paths for an international signing versus a

2607
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 2: high School this is What if baseball really wants to

2608
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:15,320
Speaker 2: get people excited in the young players and they want

2609
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 2: more of, this they need to do a couple of. Things,

2610
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 2: one everybody's in the. Draft no more international. Signing everybody's

2611
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 2: in the. Draft, two no more drafting out of high.

2612
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 2: School everybody's gonna go play, college and that will shorten

2613
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 2: that minor league, windows so guys will come right. Up and,

2614
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 2: then uh was they gotta let teams trade draft.

2615
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Picks the only place doesn't do it like THE. Nba

2616
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 1: basically basically, yeah all, right but with a more functional minor.

2617
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:40,200
Speaker 1: League all, right so we have to. Go But i'm.

2618
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 1: CALLING i Think Roman anthony is going to be a.

2619
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 1: STAR i really. DO i just LIKE i think he's.

2620
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 1: RELAXED i think he's, cool.

2621
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 2: And you know WHAT i like about, Him Ted, Williams,

2622
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 2: Yazz Jim, Rice Many. Ramirez The Red sox when they are,

2623
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 2: good they have a top player in left. Field they

2624
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 2: have not had a star left fielder really since me And,

2625
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 2: hey as much AS i Love Jason bay, so, like

2626
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 2: this is a chance they got to Get Roman anthony

2627
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 2: in the left, field and once they, do like, here we.

2628
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 1: Go it's just one of those. Positions it's kind of

2629
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:09,880
Speaker 1: a bell.

2630
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 4: Cow.

2631
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah in when they have a star left, fielder they're generally.

2632
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 1: Good they have a chance to have a star left fielder.

2633
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 1: Here all, right we'll be back next. Week The patriots

2634
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: are on summer, break but we are not. Yet we

2635
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 1: will have a little bit of a break which we

2636
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:25,960
Speaker 1: can talk about in a few. Weeks but this we'll

2637
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: be back next. Week we'll keep you carried through these

2638
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 1: five or six weeks until training camp. Starts maybe we'll

2639
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 1: do a little live roster projection type thing off Of

2640
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: alex's roster projection next, week which will be. Good but

2641
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:40,320
Speaker 1: keep it, here don't go, anywhere don't go on summer.

2642
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: Break From catch twenty. Two we'll be here with you

2643
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: guys all the way till training. Camp so thanks for.

2644
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Listening we'll see you next. Time For Evan, lazard The

2645
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 1: alex Is alex behind The, Glass Alex, bart thanks for.

2646
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: Watching we'll see you guys next. Week, hey this Is.

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02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:56,520
Speaker 1: Deuce thanks for tuning into the.

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02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:58,360
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