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Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zorn, who's back to pass

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Speaker 2: Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes in to

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Speaker 1: Now here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve

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Speaker 1: Rabel and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.

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Speaker 4: Hey, well, I am here. This is Jim Zorn, not

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Speaker 4: Steve Rabel. And Raves is out today, so I he

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Speaker 4: encouraged me to continue with our series of legends and

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Speaker 4: stories of.

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Speaker 5: Yesteryear.

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Speaker 4: So I am going to take the reins here and

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Speaker 4: I've got a special guest today, and I was hoping,

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Speaker 4: and I know Raves would love to be here to

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Speaker 4: ask you a lot of questions. But we have Sherman Smith,

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Speaker 4: who was a former Seahawks player when I played a

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Speaker 4: former uh High school local High school coach, a former

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Speaker 4: college coach, pro coach and former Seahawks coach as well.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, you have.

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Speaker 4: Kind of run the gamut Sherman. Sherman, welcome to uh

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Speaker 4: our program here, our podcast here, and uh, I know, uh,

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Speaker 4: since we've known each other for so long, we'll have

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Speaker 4: a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Oh see, man, thanks for having me on the program

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Speaker 3: with you, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: We we have had several of your you know, past

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Speaker 4: uh memoried players. We even had Nick Beebout on uh

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Speaker 4: who you play?

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Speaker 3: You were? You were?

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Speaker 5: He was playing when you were playing, and yep, believe it.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I want people who have tuned in to kind

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Speaker 4: of get a feel for you and how you got

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Speaker 4: to the Seahawks. Did you grow up in a football

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Speaker 4: family and play football most of your childhood?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I didn't grow up in a football family,

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Speaker 3: Together, we went the junior.

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Speaker 6: High together, we went to high school together, and so

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Speaker 6: it was it was a pretty pretty unique situation. So

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Speaker 6: I started there, like I said, about seventh or seven or.

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Speaker 4: So after high school, did you guys all split up

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Speaker 5: And where?

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Speaker 3: Really blessed, it was really blessed. You know, our high

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Speaker 6: At that point, our high school had the probably the

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Speaker 6: I mean, he just he just built us up and esteem,

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Speaker 3: That's all I wanted to do.

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Speaker 5: When I was did you major education?

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Speaker 6: So I was really excited about what came after football

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Speaker 4: But when you got out of high school, you were

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Speaker 5: Did you? They recruited you as a KLB?

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Speaker 5: And you stayed. You were there all your entire college career.

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Speaker 4: You didn't get in there was no portal then, there

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Speaker 6: My freshman year was the first year that freshmen were

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Speaker 3: No, no, but I got drafted as a wide receipt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I really wasn't kidding myself. You know, I knew

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Speaker 6: First day of training camp when Jack came to me,

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Speaker 5: How did that? And you didn't care because you had

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Speaker 6: He took me as a guy that never played running

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Speaker 6: a lot of it was what I learned from Andy McDonald.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling Oh Man, Man, he had so many of them. Man,

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Speaker 6: he just I know, he always called me reverend, and

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Speaker 3: He was a fun loving dude. Man. But what I

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Speaker 6: You know, we're gonna take it slow with you, and

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Speaker 6: you know you'll figure it out. So we go out

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Speaker 6: I'm waiting. You know, I'm standing in the back. You're

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Speaker 6: I said, what do you mean, get in there? And

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Speaker 6: I said, you said you were going to take it slow.

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Speaker 6: And he started laughing. He said, I lied to you can't.

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Speaker 3: Get in there. And I said, man, it was so funny, man.

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Speaker 6: So from the very first day, you know, they put

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Speaker 3: Why you do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't have many coaches at that particular time either.

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Speaker 4: So Andy was both the he was a running back coach,

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Speaker 3: You know. It was always that kind of stuff. You

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Speaker 5: He's started limping.

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Speaker 4: Will, like a wide receiver. Mighty, you had some you

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Speaker 4: But you started. Now, when did it happen that we

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Speaker 5: When did that happen? Right when you started?

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Speaker 3: No, it was our first year.

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Speaker 6: Was in our first year, and they were taking advantage

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Speaker 3: You know. They we almost had to run pass option.

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Speaker 6: In before anybody knew about it, you know, because it

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Speaker 6: So I think, you know, they came up with a

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Speaker 5: What what is amazing to me?

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Speaker 4: And I don't think a lot of people realize on

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Speaker 4: you the ball seven yards deep. You you took lateral steps. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you didn't come forward until you got the until you

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Speaker 4: I came out almost a forty five degree angle deep

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and for me it was easy because you know,

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Speaker 3: So it all worked out pretty good for us.

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Speaker 4: And what did you see when you got the ball?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how did how did you handle that sprint draw?

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Speaker 4: Because you ran a lot of them and had you

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it was kind of easy at that point,

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Speaker 6: The tight end, or the butt of a ghost tight end.

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Speaker 6: I was just want to read what was open, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it was hey, man, they blocking them one way,

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Speaker 6: It really wasn't that hard. It was like, hey, run

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Speaker 4: What I thought was great about that series, uh, we

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Speaker 6: Well yeah, and you know, like I say, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is because of you.

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Speaker 6: Because we had a quarterback that could run the ball

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Speaker 6: So I really thought that the whole offense I may

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Speaker 6: you know, And so I thought that's what really made

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Speaker 3: Block, it was great.

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Speaker 6: But I really thought it all came from your ability

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: And we had to do we had to do some

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Speaker 4: don't know how many fake field goals you were involved with,

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Speaker 4: and I believe it was on a Monday night that

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And it was funny too, because you know, my last

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Speaker 3: He said, and that's exactly what they did. They watched it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, but you know, Jack, you know, hey, man,

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Speaker 6: You know, we were coming there, and we knew Jack

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Speaker 3: Man, he did's gonna have a fake field goal, a

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Speaker 6: You know, it was kind of funny just waiting to

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Speaker 3: Came in there, just with Jack, you know what he

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Speaker 4: And so I just remember everybody taking pride on that

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Speaker 5: Is the fake this week?

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Speaker 4: And you know, you knew he studied it because every

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Speaker 4: it was only designed for that particular team.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's right.

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Speaker 5: And that sand that was a shovel.

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Speaker 4: It was a shovel to you you Uh yes, I

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if we balked a guy out,

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Speaker 5: You scored. I mean, there was nobody to Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get touched, didn't get touched at all.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was it was it was a great design.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember, Gray, did you run any others? Did

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Speaker 4: or was that your main one that you remember that

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Speaker 6: The main one, you know, we know the one that

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Speaker 3: That they're probably the one that was specifically designed for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that was good.

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Speaker 4: Well after after the years there in nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 4: Do you know that I still remember the play I

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Speaker 5: And do you know that I threw the ball to you?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I did on the play I got injured on, And

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It was a play called ninety six,

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Speaker 4: But I I always remember this play called ninety six

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Speaker 5: We were clearing.

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Speaker 4: We were clearing this zone out for you and you

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Speaker 4: ran a corner. And I'll remember Jerry Rome, my coach,

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Speaker 4: I will, I'll do that. And I stood strong, I planted,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that was a play. I didn't know

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Speaker 5: Place that that was when I got injured on wow.

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Speaker 3: So well, you see, we know how it happens, man.

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00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's you.

449
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 6: Know, plays like that when you know people don't you know,

450
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 6: it's not a big hit in a pile or something

451
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 6: like that, but it's just you stand a strong in

452
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 6: the pocket, you get hit and boom and it's a

453
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Speaker 6: significant injury.

454
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Speaker 3: You know. I know the injuries that I had to

455
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Speaker 3: my anterior crushes.

456
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Speaker 6: I think I tore my anterior krushion in eighty and heck,

457
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 6: I didn't even get touched on it.

458
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 3: It was no one touched me, and I blew my

459
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Speaker 3: knee out.

460
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Speaker 4: So I just said, man, that is interesting because we

461
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 4: talked to uh Kurt Warner. He was on one of

462
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 4: my podcasts, and he I remember handing him the ball.

463
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 4: You were already gone, but I remember handing him the

464
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 4: ball on a goal line play and he did a

465
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,959
Speaker 4: jump cut and he blew. He tore his anchur Christian

466
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: livement as well.

467
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 5: And right, what right? What game do you remember in

468
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 5: that nineteen eighty season, Sherman? What game that was? I

469
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 5: can't remember, man.

470
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Zee, I no, I can't remember. I

471
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: don't want to guess on it.

472
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just made that, but I know.

473
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Speaker 3: We were at home. I know we were at home

474
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 3: when I did.

475
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and so we were Did you get traded

476
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 4: to San Diego uh in eighty two?

477
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 3: In eighty two?

478
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the way it went down was, first I

479
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 6: got traded at to Kansas City and then I go

480
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 6: there and they they failed me on the physical saying

481
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 6: that I had a neck issue. So then I came

482
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 6: back and really the Sea the Seahawks were really great

483
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 6: to me because they I think John was I think

484
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 6: John Thompson was still the GM.

485
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 3: But they called me and they said, hey, you have

486
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 3: your choice.

487
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 6: Howard Mudd was in Cleveland and they said, we can

488
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 6: trade you to Cleveland or the San Diego. Well, I'm

489
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 6: from Youngstown, Ohio, so man, that'd be close to home.

490
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 6: So I called my mom and you know, told my

491
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 6: mom about it, you know, and my mom encouraged me

492
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 6: to go to San Diego. She just said, you know,

493
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 6: and I love that, you know, the Pacific Northwest and

494
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 6: she just said, you know, son, you know af you staying,

495
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 6: you go to San Diego.

496
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: So that's where I ended up getting trade to San Diego.

497
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't know that.

498
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 4: How many years were you there? You played with Dan

499
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 4: Fouts obviously, yes.

500
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 6: Yes, great experience playing with playing with those guys, really

501
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 6: a great experience.

502
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: Very talented team, very a lot of talent, yeah, a

503
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: lot of on that team.

504
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: But your knee didn't allow you to have a long,

505
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 4: a long career at that time. And was it your

506
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 4: knee that naughty or was it your neck?

507
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 3: No, what happened was, like I said, I tore my

508
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: interior crush it. I believe it was nineteen eighty.

509
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 6: I told my right interior crush it in nineteen eighty

510
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 6: and Z Man, We're doing a walkthrough.

511
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Speaker 3: In eighty three.

512
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 6: At a camp at a camp in San Diego, and

513
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 6: I blew my other knee app and.

514
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: That's and that was it. You had a walk through.

515
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: It was a walk through. When I went down, everybody

516
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: thought I was joking because there was we were doing

517
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: on air.

518
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I planted my left knee, man, and it

519
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 6: just buckled, and I'm laying down there and I'm pinching

520
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 6: myself hoping it's a dream.

521
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying, man, it's got to be a dream. And

522
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: it was it. I tore it worse than the one

523
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: that I did, Uh, you know, my right ney. So

524
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: that ended my career right there. That was it. I

525
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: knew that I wasn't playing anymore.

526
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Speaker 5: Football, Sherman.

527
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 4: When you were done, why did you Why did you

528
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: come back to the Northwest? Was it because of friendships

529
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 4: you had? You had established up here, or I know

530
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: you you know, I didn't get why if you were

531
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 4: in San Diego, you're from Youngstown, Ohio, why you came

532
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: back up here, because you you you established your home

533
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: up here.

534
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we really liked it, you know, Sharon and I,

535
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: we really liked.

536
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 6: The Pacific Northwest, and like you said, we had established friendship.

537
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 6: You know, it really changed once I was no longer

538
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 6: a member of the Seahawks, you know, because a lot

539
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 6: of our friendship.

540
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: For me was you know, guys in that locker room.

541
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 6: Sure, and you know, like guys like yourself and Steve

542
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 6: and you know, just those guys that we had, those

543
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 6: Dave Brown and guys like that. But you know, it

544
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 6: became different once I wasn't on the team because man,

545
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 6: you guys were working. You know, you guys were work

546
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 6: and so it was different. But I still we still

547
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 6: liked Seattle.

548
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: We enjoyed our.

549
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 6: Time there, and you know, and I enjoyed it even

550
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 6: when I came back and coached, you know, my tenure

551
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 6: with Pete Carroll. You know, I really thought about when

552
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 6: I retired from coaching, staying in the Pacific Northwest, but

553
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 6: with our kids being closer back here, you know, we

554
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 6: thought this would be best for us.

555
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 4: Well, you started. How many years did it take you

556
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: to get to become a coach? And you started in

557
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: high school? I believe at Redmond High School?

558
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I started, really, I started rip. I was teaching

559
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 6: at Redmond Middle School. And I started my coaching at

560
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 6: Redmond Middle School, Okay, And then Jim Sampson asked me

561
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 6: to come up and to work with the with the

562
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 6: with the varsity football team.

563
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: So then it's I started that. So I was at

564
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: both places.

565
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 6: I went to middle school, then I would go up

566
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Speaker 6: to the high school, and then the next year I

567
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 6: was just at the high school yep.

568
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: And then you went to the uh then you started

569
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: at the college level and you had to move.

570
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 5: That's you think you'd be done.

571
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: You think you were going to be done moving, and

572
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you get an opportunity to

573
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: coach at your alma mater.

574
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: Right right right.

575
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Speaker 6: And the thing if it was like I said when

576
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 6: I went, you know, my desire was to be a

577
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 6: high school coach.

578
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: And I turned the job down. You know, I turned

579
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Speaker 3: it down.

580
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 6: You know, Randy called up, man, we can go back

581
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 6: to Alma made And I said, man, I just want

582
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 6: to be a high school coach. I never thought about coaching,

583
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 6: you know, on the college level, you know, you know,

584
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 6: and going back to Miami. But you know, you know

585
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 6: what I think as we continue to pursue it, Sharon

586
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 6: and I really just spend time praying about it, and

587
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 6: we just said, you know what, this would be a

588
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 6: great opportunity to go back home, you know, to get

589
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 6: the kids closer to their grandparents, for us to go

590
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 6: back to our alma matera, you know, and have a

591
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 6: chance to rejuvenate and get the program back to where

592
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 6: it was when when when I played there. Because when

593
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 6: you know, my three or four years at Miami Ohio,

594
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 6: whether as you look back at Miami Ohio football history,

595
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 6: where the best years that Miami football has experienced since

596
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 6: you know, so I can say that, you know, seventy three,

597
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 6: seventy four, and seventy five, Miami hadn't had a program

598
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 6: that has matched those those teams.

599
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: Yet. Yeah.

600
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good. I mean, you were you were an

601
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 5: awesome player. You were great for us.

602
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 4: I was hoping, I think when I played and I

603
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 4: had you as a teammate, I had Steve as a teammate,

604
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: Raves as a teammate. We had some good character guys

605
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: on our team, but we also had guys that really

606
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: cared about winning and staying together. And I think the

607
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: league at that particular time wanted guys to bond and

608
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: play together. You know, that was kind of what the

609
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: history of football was building, that that nucleish, building a

610
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: good group of guys.

611
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: And when we you know.

612
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: When you left, Raves was done, I was you know,

613
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: I had been injured, and uh, it really was something

614
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: that was odd to me that that players would move

615
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 4: around and and you the teams you were when you

616
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: when you first start, right.

617
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 6: But I noticed the you know, for me, you know,

618
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 6: God is good because man coming out there, you know,

619
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 6: that's where you know, I came out there and where my.

620
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: Faith, you know, Ken Hunterson led me to Christ.

621
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: And then I had guys like yourself and Steve largest

622
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 6: men in my life, Dave Brown, you know, guys that

623
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 6: men really showed me.

624
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: And when I say this in all sincerity, man, you.

625
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 6: Guys were great examples to me, great husbands and fathers and.

626
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: Great guys and me.

627
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 6: And I know that wasn't an accident that I was

628
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 6: in Seattle during that time and man, it helped give

629
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: me a foundation for my faith, the foundation type of

630
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 6: guy I wanted to be. And so man, those times,

631
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 6: like you said, character people, Norm Evans, you know, man, wife,

632
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 6: you know, sure, you know.

633
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: See I got the Norm Evans story. Man.

634
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 6: Remember our rookie year we played Minnesota Vikings. Yep, and

635
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 6: we should have won that game.

636
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: That's the yard you talking about, the one in Minnesota.

637
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: In Minnesota, that's the start of the show. You heard

638
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: you Rabel show that eighty yard touchdown. He's going to

639
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 4: really be excited that you brought that back up.

640
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 6: Well, you know, hey, I just know in that game,

641
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 6: I was the reason. I honestly thought I was the

642
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 6: reason we lost the game because when it happens, see,

643
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 6: we got down on the goal line and I was

644
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: giving the ball twice.

645
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean, we needed a yard and the play was I.

646
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 6: Was supposed to go to the A gap and then

647
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 6: bounce it outside because they were knifeing in into the middle. Well,

648
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 6: me being the you know, I'm gonna be a smart guy.

649
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 6: The shortest distance between two points is a straight line,

650
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 6: and I don't bounce the ball.

651
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: I decided, Man, I'm just gonna hit it up in there.

652
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: And got didn't get anything two times in a row.

653
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 6: And if I if I run to play the way

654
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 6: the players call, I hit my head on the goal

655
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 6: post and we have a biggest, the biggest upset we

656
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 6: going there. And we upset the Minnesota Vikings because the

657
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 6: year before.

658
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: I know they were a playoff team.

659
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if they were to the NFC Championship

660
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 6: game or not, but I know we were gonna beat them.

661
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 6: The beautiful thing, make a long story short, it was

662
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 6: Norm Evans because you know how Jack did man at

663
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 6: that point, we will watch team We watched the film

664
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 6: together and I'll.

665
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: Never forget that being there with the whole offense.

666
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 6: Man, and when those players came up, when Jack Petera

667
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 6: took over and told Jerry, Jerry, I got it.

668
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: From here, you know, and I knew it was coming.

669
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming. Well, that's what you learned. Also,

670
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: don't make excuses. If you mess up. You just need

671
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: to say it, because you look real bad in front

672
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: of your teammates making excuses.

673
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 6: All you know, I dropped the ball because the win

674
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 6: got my eyes and you know all that other crazy stuff.

675
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: So anyway, so Jack hit me up with it man,

676
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: and you know, and I just say, yeah, you know.

677
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 6: Coach, I was supposed to do this, and you know,

678
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 6: Jack use that favorite line. I'll put up with you

679
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 6: till I can replace you. What happened was the we

680
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 6: you know, after we would watch film, we go outside

681
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: and we do our little shakeout.

682
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: We run around, run some laps.

683
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 6: Norm Evans he came up and he did something I

684
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 6: carried on throughout my playing career and coaching career.

685
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: He came up to me and he's at that time,

686
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: he called you a rook. If you're a rook, Norm

687
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: called you a rook. He said, hey, hey, rook.

688
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 6: He said, if you do what you're supposed to do,

689
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 6: there's no guarantee we're gonna win, but it gives us

690
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 6: a chance.

691
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: He said, all we're asking you to do is.

692
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 6: Give us a chance. And I never forgot that. He said,

693
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 6: just do what you're supposed to do. That gives us

694
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 6: a chance. And I remember that as a player, and

695
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 6: then even when I started coaching, I would say the

696
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 6: same thing to my guys. Hey, you know, there's no guarantee,

697
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 6: but if you do what you're supposed to do, it

698
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 6: gives us a chance. We're just asking you to give

699
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 6: us a chance, and man, Norm Evans really help me

700
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 6: because man, you know, and I felt bad, Yeah, you know,

701
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 6: because I felt that I do that I was responsible.

702
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: If I do what I'm supposed to do, we win

703
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: the game.

704
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think every football player can look back.

705
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: I probably would think if I'd have completed one of

706
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: those one of the passes that was not completed in

707
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: the game, he would have won the game. I mean

708
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: we all felt that way. I don't think we ever.

709
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: I would never remember a game where I thought, yeah, Sherman,

710
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: Sherman lost it for us.

711
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'll tell Zee.

712
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what. Bob Blurtzeber.

713
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bob Blirtzeber.

714
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 6: I hadn't seen Bob blurtzemer since nineteen man, whenever his

715
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: last year was there.

716
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: So I hadn't seen him since Zee.

717
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 6: I run into the cat in two thousand and six.

718
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 6: I'm coaching with the Titans then and we're playing Minnesota

719
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 6: in the in the preseason and I get the word

720
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 6: that hey, man, X teammate of yours wants to see you,

721
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 6: and it's Bob blurtzemer Ze.

722
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Man.

723
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 6: If I'm lying, I told my running back to the

724
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 6: story about the Minnesota game.

725
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: Zee, we go out to warm ups and you know

726
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: how that is. Bob Blursomer comes down there. He doesn't say, hey, sar, hey, man,

727
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: haven't seen you know what.

728
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 6: First thing he said, well, remember when you lost that

729
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: Minnesota game for the way you see that.

730
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: That's the that's the first thing, says Zee.

731
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 6: That's not the end of it. So then I see him.

732
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 6: I'm coaching with the Redskins with me and we're playing,

733
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 6: yeah with you, and we're playing in New York and

734
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 6: they had a thing with Lurcimer came back with an

735
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 6: old group of his and he gets on the elevator

736
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 6: and man, he looks back at me and we get

737
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: off the elevator and he said. First thing he said,

738
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 6: you know what, man, I wish they would have had

739
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 6: history replay.

740
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Maybe you you might have been in oh man, Oh yeah,

741
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: I never forgot it. Man, never forgot that. But you

742
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: may not.

743
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: Bob Blursimer holds me accountablefore it. First thing he said

744
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 6: to me, you know, so I cracked it ball.

745
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't funny, you know, but.

746
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: He yeah, you got he.

747
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: Remember he remembered the like I remember, so I remember.

748
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: A few plays just like that that had I thrown

749
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: a completion and I threw an incompletion. Uh yeah, those

750
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: things are they stick with you in your in your

751
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: memory bank.

752
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 5: Well that is, yes, they do.

753
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know you love Bob Blurts. He was

754
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: one of the funniest guys on the Seahawks team. But

755
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: he did come from Minnesota and he probably wanted to

756
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: beat Minnesota so badly that yes, it was it's it's

757
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: not it's hard for himything.

758
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: I guess I should have told that part of the

759
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: story too, because I kid you not. There was there

760
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: were three incidents.

761
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 6: I didn't tell the middle incident, but there was three

762
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: incidents where that happened, and it was that one in

763
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 6: New York when.

764
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: We got the elevator. He made that comment to me.

765
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 6: I asked him, I'm messing with my said, man, did

766
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 6: you bet some money on the game or something? You know,

767
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 6: I'm thinking he must have lost a lot of money

768
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 6: on the game or something.

769
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't know, and ze, man, what you

770
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: just said. That's what he told me.

771
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 6: He said, that would have been one of the biggest

772
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 6: victories that I've ever experienced in my career. If we

773
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 6: would have beat them. That's why he remembered.

774
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's why he remembered.

775
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: He told me that, Yeah, Sherman, Uh, you worked for

776
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: you worked for me. But one of the things that

777
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: I asked Steve Rabel, are there questions that you want

778
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: to ask Sherman? He said, I want to ask him

779
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: one one question. How hard was it to work for

780
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: the for the for me as as the head coach

781
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: in Washington when you came and worked with me, uh,

782
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 4: with the Washington Redskins at that particular time.

783
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: No, Lee.

784
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 6: You know, like I said, if somebody would ask me

785
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 6: this and you you wouldn't have.

786
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: Been around or whatever.

787
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 6: Man, I'd say the same answer, man, and I'll answered

788
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: this way along with then the I was truly blessed

789
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 6: as a coach that every head coach I worked under,

790
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 6: it was a great.

791
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 3: Privilege to work under these guys. I was blessed.

792
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 6: I couldn't look at one head coach and say, man,

793
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 6: except for that guy, it was a bad experience going

794
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 6: to Washington with the.

795
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: Coach with you.

796
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 6: You know, I had been with the Tennessee Titans or

797
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 6: slash Houston on the Tennessee Titans.

798
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: For thirteen years. Yes, and so leave them. Man. I

799
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: mean I was assistant head coach. We had we had

800
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: a pretty good team, you know, Sharon. We were in

801
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: the community and.

802
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 6: All that other stuff. But the reason why I did

803
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 6: go was because of you, you know. So you know,

804
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: so that's the reason why.

805
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to go.

806
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 6: You know, I came and you gave me that opportunity,

807
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 6: and you know, and so to say, to work with you,

808
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 6: it was a pleasure. You know, you did a great job.

809
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: You know, we knew see, you knew my gifting. You know,

810
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 6: you were the basically you were the coordinator.

811
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: Man, because you knew the offense.

812
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 6: You called the play, and man, that's the way it

813
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 6: should have been, you know, because you knew the scheme

814
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 6: much better than I do.

815
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: But then you let me do the things that I did. Well.

816
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: You know, you allowed me to talk to the team,

817
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: you allowed me to.

818
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: Do certain things, and so I think we worked off

819
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 6: of each other, and I just I thought it was

820
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: awesome working for you.

821
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: I thought you got I didn't think you were treated

822
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: right at all period. You know, I just don't think that.

823
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 6: I think given the chance, you know, we could have

824
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 6: been successful. And even when I left to go there

825
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 6: Jeff Fisher told me that. He said, Sherman, he said,

826
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 6: if it wasn't for the owner and the general manager,

827
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 6: he said, you guys, I think you guys would have

828
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 6: a chance. And I really believe that, I really believe.

829
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: You know, we have guys.

830
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 6: We know, we had some guys on the team that

831
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 6: they needed to go because they were a problem. You know,

832
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: I don't want to mention their name, but I know

833
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 6: you and I both know who they are, you know.

834
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 6: But I just thought you did a great job under

835
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 6: the circumstances. Really, man, They they, you know, they they

836
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 6: didn't treat you right, particularly that last year, because you know,

837
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 6: we started out great that first year. Man, we're six

838
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 6: and one or six or something, and then we started

839
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 6: having all those injuries.

840
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, we're killing it, man. Then we

841
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: start having.

842
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: Injuries, and then for some reason they want to blame

843
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: that on the offense and on you and play calling

844
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 6: and all the other stuff. When our defense was struggling,

845
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 6: you know, it wasn't just us, and we lost all

846
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 6: you know, our linemen, you know, they were long in

847
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 6: the tooth and you know, so all of that stuff.

848
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 6: So no, I say that to say, man, it was

849
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 6: great working with you, and I just thought you did

850
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 6: a great job under circumstances. I didn't think you were

851
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 6: treated right, you know, at all, and and so but

852
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 6: you you manned up and you really took care of business.

853
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: Well.

854
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Sherman. I'm gonna let Steve Rabel know

855
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: that for sure. That'll be the first time I talked

856
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: to him about when I call him, Hey, Sherman after

857
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: we were done.

858
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

859
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 4: And it was a short, short moment. You came here

860
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 4: and coached with Pete Carroll and you became the running

861
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: back coach here. And I think I think I've always

862
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: taken pride in knowing Sherman Smith as a player, as

863
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: a coach, high school, you know, uh, a middle school instructor.

864
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: I've always thought of you.

865
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: In all of those situations at the same and I

866
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: took real pride in what you know, the body of

867
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: work that you did here. I was really proud to

868
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: come back and be able to see you as a

869
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: friend but also as a coach. And uh, you you

870
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: got to coach Marshawan. Actually you coached thirteen years. You

871
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: coached some really good running backs in Tennessee. But you're

872
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: starting running back here was Marshawn Lynch. How was that

873
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: as a How many years did you coach him?

874
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 5: Here?

875
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: Five?

876
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 6: And was yeah, I had I was because I was

877
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 6: there seven years. And I would say, well six, you

878
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 6: know because.

879
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: Marshawn that last year Marshawn you know was in and out.

880
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 6: But I would say definitely a solid five. And the

881
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: six was he the best?

882
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 5: Was he the best running back that you coached? While

883
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: you know, uh, in your your.

884
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 6: Here's what I said, And I got myself in trouble.

885
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 6: I said not to put one down to build up another.

886
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: But you know, I had the pleasure of coaching the

887
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: Heisman Trophy winner and Eddie George.

888
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: And Eddie Eddie was the.

889
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 6: Man, and we had the success that we had here

890
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 6: in Tennessee was beat you know, Eddie George played a

891
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: big part in us being successful, going to a super Bowl.

892
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 6: We didn't win it, but I mean doing what we did.

893
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 6: And the same fear that people had of Marshawan when

894
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 6: they played the Seahawks was the same thing the team

895
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 6: said about Eddie when they played us. So I mean

896
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 6: it was, man, you got to stop Eddie George. You

897
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 6: gotta stop Eddie George. So I say this is the

898
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 6: as you know, the you scott player.

899
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: They were different. They were different kind of.

900
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 6: Guys, totally different, I would say from a skill set.

901
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: Marshawn had a little bit more. You know. Marshaan could

902
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: break tackles, he could he could use power on you.

903
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: He could beat you with elusiveness. You know. He just

904
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: had all of that. Eddie.

905
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 6: You know, Eddie had didn't have all the tools in

906
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 6: the bag, but he had so much other stuff that

907
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 6: he was just as dangerous, you know, to me. But

908
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 6: I always thought Marshan could score. Every time he touched

909
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 6: the football.

910
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: That was my thing. Get the ball in his hand,

911
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: the man might score a touchdown. And I always told.

912
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 6: Him, if it was up to me, you'd never come

913
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 6: off the field. I wouldn't have taken him off the

914
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 6: field in any situation, you.

915
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: Know, because he was good. You know, He's just that

916
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: of a player. And Eddie was. Eddie was different in

917
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: that his leadership. They were different guys. But Eddie George

918
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: was special man.

919
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 6: He was a special player that I would tell all

920
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 6: of my young players follow his example on the field

921
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 6: and off the field.

922
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: You follow his example and you'll be okay. So I

923
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: was blessed to see it. And I think both of

924
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: them were one day going to the Hall of Fame.

925
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: You know. I think they're both. I think they're both

926
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: future Hall of Famers.

927
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 6: I think right now Ed might be in the I

928
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 6: think they're down to the group of twenty five. I

929
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 6: was just with them a couple of weeks ago. He's

930
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 6: now in the group of twenty five. Now, they got

931
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 6: it down to twenty five and he's still in that group. Okay,

932
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: so for the Hall, you know, but yeah, for the

933
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, yes.

934
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I just.

935
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: I know this when I when I coached for the

936
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions. Uh, I was there when Barry Sanders was there,

937
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget being on the sideline, uh and

938
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 4: Barry being on the field on offense, and you could

939
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: look down the you could look all the way down

940
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: both sides of the sideline from art you know, from

941
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: the home team or the Detroit Lions, to the opposing

942
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: team on the other side of the field. When Barry

943
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 4: was on the football field, everybody was as close to

944
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: the sideline as they could get because they wanted to

945
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: watch Barry.

946
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: Touch the ball. And it was I believe that was.

947
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: Just a thrill to be to be on that on

948
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 4: that sideline and watch watch that guy because you're you're

949
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: right when you said it about Marshawn Barry, when you

950
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: just knew when he touched the ball he could It

951
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: may not be a straight shot, but he could.

952
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: Go all the way.

953
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: And I had that feeling Marshawn he in the in

954
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: the high time of Marshawn Lynch.

955
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: Here it was like that as well. I mean, I

956
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: think people.

957
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: Were there to watch that guy touch the ball and

958
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: he was just a great back and you just wanted

959
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: to see him get the ball because he could do

960
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: something with it that not many other runner drugs could

961
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 4: do with that ball.

962
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 5: It was amazing, That's exactly, you know.

963
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 6: And I love and I love coaching the guy because

964
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 6: I always thought as a running back coach, you know,

965
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 6: you always hear about over coaching. You know, you can

966
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 6: over coach a guy, And I just thought always with

967
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 6: the runners, you know, man, I say, I coach you

968
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 6: up from point A to point B. Give you the

969
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 6: you know you say, running the football as much art

970
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 6: as it is science, is as much read as it

971
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 6: is feel. And I said, let me give you the

972
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 6: science part of it. You know, it's his own play.

973
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 6: You need to go pace to the whole. Here's your read.

974
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: I said, once you get to that point, then man,

975
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: you do what God has given you. You know, I

976
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: don't coach you past that point.

977
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 6: You know, you just just do this from point A

978
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 6: to point B and then man, do your thing.

979
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: And that's what it was always simple for him, keep

980
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: it simple, and he just man.

981
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 6: I just I enjoyed watching the guy play, you know,

982
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 6: I really did.

983
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: It was just fun watching, you know, and knowing his attitude.

984
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 6: Somebody asked him about being in beast mode, and you know,

985
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 6: why do you run the way you run? He said,

986
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 6: because I run not to get tackled. You know, that

987
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 6: was his mindset. I'm trying not to get tackled.

988
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: And I know, you know, Zee, they talk about the

989
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: run that he had against the Saints, you know, the

990
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: beast quake, the run.

991
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 6: I always thought the run that he had against the

992
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 6: Cardinals in Arizona was I thought he showed more in

993
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 6: that run than he did in the run against the Saints.

994
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: I thought that was a great run.

995
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 6: That he had that So, but he's a special man,

996
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 6: special dude, special.

997
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Character, great teammate, great.

998
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 6: I thought he was a great leader because when he

999
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 6: smoked guys, you know, they when Marsian had something to say. Now,

1000
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 6: you don't listen to what he has to say, and

1001
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 6: he didn't talk a lot, but when he did say something,

1002
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 6: if there was ever a problem with someone on the

1003
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 6: offensive defense, Marshawn would take care of. You see Marshawn

1004
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: going to talk to someone's you know, getting things, take

1005
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 6: taking care of.

1006
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: So I love the guy, absolutely crazy about him.

1007
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 4: Well, some of those guys in the in the league

1008
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: know what to say at the right time. And to

1009
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 4: be one of those guys, he's got to be pretty

1010
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: awesome too, because then you know that they've got the pulse,

1011
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 4: the vision, the expression uh and you and you listen

1012
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: and follow it. I mean, that's what makes a great

1013
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 4: football team, right, I think.

1014
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 6: And you know they yeah, me too, and they and

1015
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 6: they know and he knew that man, They respected him,

1016
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 6: you know, they respected him as a player.

1017
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: Man. They knew this cat is a real deal man,

1018
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: you know, you know, and he comes to work every day.

1019
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: You know. That's what That's what I loved about the

1020
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: teams that.

1021
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 6: We had back there during the time with Pete Man.

1022
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 6: Our guys loved the practice. Our guys loved to come

1023
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 6: to work, Richard Sherman, that defense man cats wanted to work, Russell.

1024
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 6: I mean, we had guys that worked hard and man,

1025
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 6: you know, they encourage each other, held each other accountable,

1026
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 6: and so that's why that that group was really special.

1027
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 6: And I know we talk about the loss in Super

1028
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 6: Bowl forty nine. I truly believe if we had won

1029
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 6: forty nine, I truly believe we were gonna win three

1030
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 6: in a row. I thought we had the makings. If

1031
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 6: we stay healthy, we're gonna win three in a row.

1032
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: That's that's what everyone was thinking.

1033
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 6: And I think that was really a lot of the

1034
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: disappointment that a lot of the guys went through, and

1035
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 6: losing the second one was the misopportunity to win the

1036
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 6: third one and so so.

1037
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: But but that was a special group of guys.

1038
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was well, Sherman.

1039
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 4: After you know, you think about the time that you

1040
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: had here towards the end of your your career and

1041
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 4: now you're retired, but you know, some guys right off

1042
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 4: into the sunset, and you have not really ridden off

1043
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: into the sunset. Almost one of the most exciting times

1044
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: in your life has been after football, after not only playing,

1045
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: but after coaching, because a lot of a lot of

1046
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 4: us find ourselves weeding in the backyard and picking up leaves,

1047
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: especially in the Northwest. But your life has just, you know,

1048
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: it's just revved up. But it's been because of a

1049
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: unique situation. And I don't you know, we can't we

1050
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: can't spend an hour talking about it. We should spend more.

1051
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: But I think it was truly amazing to me that

1052
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 4: you had something happened in your life that nobody else

1053
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: would ever I remember you calling me. I remember sitting

1054
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: where I was sitting when you made that phone call.

1055
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: You said, zee, man, I gotta tell you something, and

1056
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I had no idea, but I knew

1057
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: it was serious.

1058
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 5: And you.

1059
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: Told me about Delan, and I just thought that was

1060
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: just a you know, the most unusual story I think

1061
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 4: I'd ever heard in my life, and I think a

1062
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: lot of people might know it. But how did it

1063
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: first start? And we'll go through it quickly, but I want.

1064
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: You to talk about how.

1065
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: Delan, this young man came, didn't you Now? From what

1066
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: I heard I think from you, is that you recruited

1067
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: him in the beginning at the college level, Is that correct.

1068
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: Yes, it's interesting.

1069
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 6: When Sharon and I suddenly left Seattle in nineteen eighty

1070
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 6: nine to go back to Miami, Ohio, a lot of

1071
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 6: my friends, a lot of our friends back didn't understand why.

1072
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: But then when this story came out, they got it.

1073
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 6: He was God, man, God setting stuff up. Because when

1074
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 6: I went back there, that's when I.

1075
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: Started recruiting Dealan h He was a high.

1076
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 6: School player and I recruited him to come to Miami Ohio,

1077
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 6: which he did, and I coached him for a year.

1078
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 6: So that's where I first met Delan, you know, when

1079
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 6: he was a senior in high school.

1080
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: But you left you left after his freshman year or

1081
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 4: before his freshman year?

1082
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 6: Yes, uh, let me see, it was my second year,

1083
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 6: so it was after his freshman year.

1084
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 5: I left, okay, and you went on to University.

1085
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: Of University of Illinois with Liz with.

1086
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: Lou Tepper, but then he stayed on. Did he finish

1087
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 4: his career at Did Delan finish his career at?

1088
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? Yeah? Man.

1089
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 6: He ended up becoming the leading rusher, all time rusher

1090
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 6: in the MAC.

1091
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean he had a great career.

1092
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 6: He had an outstanding career as a running back. I mean,

1093
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 6: he broke all the records, so he was the.

1094
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: Man did and you just liked to be his coach.

1095
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you had no idea that anything further was

1096
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: ever going to happen or at that there was a

1097
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: whole nother story waiting.

1098
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

1099
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 6: And what was interesting is people would say to us,

1100
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 6: you know, you know, hey, man, you guys could be

1101
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: father and son.

1102
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: And so I had no reason to think that he

1103
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: was my father.

1104
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 6: I was his father because you know, no one, no

1105
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: young lady had come to me and said, hey, buddy.

1106
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 5: You know right, and he didn't eat.

1107
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: I'm pregnant and he didn't either. No, so we would

1108
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: both kind of joke it off and you know and

1109
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 6: then just ignore, you know, and so so that's how

1110
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 6: we handled so, you know, he just laughed about it.

1111
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he became a coach, and then he wanted

1112
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: to be as as far as the off season. He

1113
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: came here one summer to be a guest coach. Yes, yes,

1114
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: And did he ask you or did he ask Pete?

1115
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: How did he get here?

1116
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: You know what? I think mo Kelly really took care

1117
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: of it. I think I think at that.

1118
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 6: Time mo Kelly was responsible for getting those guys in.

1119
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: And you know so Mo so Dealing, Dealing knew Mo

1120
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: from somewhere. I think Mo may have played.

1121
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: In the Canadian League and Dealing they knew each other

1122
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 6: from somewhere.

1123
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: Okay, but he could have gone in. That's that's the

1124
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 4: thing I always think is that Delan could have gone anywhere.

1125
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 4: But no, he comes here for summer.

1126
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 6: Ye.

1127
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 5: What year was that, Sherman?

1128
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: The year after we won the Super Bowl? Okay, so

1129
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: that was a twenty fourteen season.

1130
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 5: And he and he stayed for training camp only.

1131
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: He he was he was really only here for a short.

1132
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 6: Period of time because he had to get back because

1133
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 6: he was coaching at Indiana. At Indiana, so he had

1134
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 6: to get back to football. So he only stayed with

1135
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 6: us here for ten days. It was a short It

1136
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 6: was a shorter period of time than most of the

1137
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 6: intern stayed.

1138
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: Well, I always remember the assistant O line coach at

1139
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: that time was Golden Rule, Pat Rule. Yeah, my man,

1140
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: And he said I think he even made the comment

1141
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: that you guys, you guys sounded like, what's going on here?

1142
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 3: Well, he well, we're sitting up there.

1143
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 6: My office was right across from from from Pat's office,

1144
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 6: and so Delan and I are in there talking about

1145
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 6: something and Pat just walks there. He said, look, man,

1146
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: he said, there's no way you guys have to be

1147
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 6: father and son. He said, you have to be. He said,

1148
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 6: there's too many similarities. And I look, I said, Pep,

1149
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 6: get out of here. Man, you're crazy.

1150
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: Get out of here, you know.

1151
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: And so that that it was like that, even Marshaan

1152
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 6: and those guys were saying.

1153
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: They were calling them little Sharon, Hey, little she Wow.

1154
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 3: You know, Pete said, Pete said something about it. So

1155
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: Delan and I we're not thinking anything about it.

1156
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 6: Like I said, you know, there's nothing that should be

1157
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 6: an indication. And he knew he was adopted, but you know,

1158
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 6: he didn't. There was no connection that you know, when

1159
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 6: he started looking for his biological parents where it was

1160
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: going to end up.

1161
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: How long after he left those ten days and he

1162
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 4: went back to the University of Indiana and you coached

1163
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: that season to the Super Bowl again? But how long

1164
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: after that did this this phone call or not even

1165
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: a phone call. I don't think he I think he

1166
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 4: showed up at your doorstep.

1167
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: No, no, what happened? I mean it was years later.

1168
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: It wasn't until twenty seventeen.

1169
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 6: That after, you know, So it was I had retired,

1170
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 6: you know, because my last my last season was twenty sixteen.

1171
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 6: So it was twenty seventeen, about a week before Thanksgiving

1172
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 6: that Dylan called me and he said, I need to

1173
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 6: talk to you. And so I thought he was probably looking.

1174
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 3: For a job.

1175
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 6: He had a job connection somewhere, you know, and so

1176
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: he because we talked all the time, you know, even

1177
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 6: though yeah, we talked all the time, you know, so

1178
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 6: we had a relationship going. So hey, he called me up, coach, serm,

1179
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 6: you know, want to talk to you, coach. And so

1180
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 6: when I when I called him that morning, he wasn't

1181
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 6: talking about football.

1182
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: He said, hey, you know, I'm adopted. I said yeah.

1183
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 3: He said why. You know, I started looking for my

1184
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: biological uh you know parents. I said, that's great. He

1185
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: said I got my birth record. I said that's great.

1186
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 6: He said, I find my biological mom and I'm I'm man,

1187
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 6: I'm man dealing man.

1188
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: That is really good man, really happy to hind it

1189
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: for you, you know. And then he said and uh.

1190
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: And then when he told me his biological mom's name,

1191
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: my heart dropped because I knew I knew her in

1192
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 6: a way that I could be his father. And so

1193
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 6: before he could say it, you know, before I could

1194
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: think it, he said, I asked.

1195
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: Her who my father was and she said you, and

1196
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: that was it.

1197
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 6: And that's how I came down, you know, and she

1198
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 6: said you and you know, and so I, just like

1199
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 6: he jokes about, Man, I was mumbling and stumbling all

1200
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 6: over myself, you.

1201
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: Know, because honestly, you know, the thing I knew is.

1202
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 6: Me, man, and is I shared with my players, you know,

1203
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 6: throughout the years. You know, I told him Man, I

1204
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 6: shared my scars with him.

1205
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: I shared with him. Man.

1206
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 6: I was reckless and irresponsible, you know, in high school,

1207
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 6: you know, Man, I was out there. You know, Man,

1208
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 6: I wasn't a Christian at that point. So I can't

1209
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 6: even blame him saying, well, I you know, I wasn't

1210
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 6: a Christian, but you know, I definitely wasn't following christ

1211
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 6: for sure, and so so.

1212
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: I would say I wasn't surprised. And I told my

1213
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: guys this because Marshawn said.

1214
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 6: Something to me about it when we were back there

1215
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 6: for the ten year anniversary, and when.

1216
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: We talked about it, Marshawn said, I remember you telling

1217
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: us that you're not. You wouldn't be.

1218
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 6: Surprised if you had a child out there, you know,

1219
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 6: he said, the way you were, I said, yeah, but

1220
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 6: I was surprised at who it was when I found out.

1221
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: That's the only thing to surprise me is that it

1222
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 6: was him, you know, because I have.

1223
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: A relationship with this guy. So so that's what I meant.

1224
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: So yeah, and you know, so that was twenty seventeen

1225
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 6: that you know, he told me, and you know, we

1226
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 6: went through the process, and you know, he told me,

1227
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 6: and you know, I.

1228
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: Told him, I'll call you back. I need to process,

1229
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: you know. You know.

1230
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: It hit me like a and so you know, I

1231
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 6: called him back and just said, hey, man, you know,

1232
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 6: I know, you know, Carol's sure. I want to be sure.

1233
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 6: Let's get a DNA test. He said, absolutely, let's do it.

1234
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 6: So we did that. I had not talked to Carol

1235
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 6: in fifty years, however long it was, you know, since

1236
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 6: seventy two. So I had not talked to Carol since

1237
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 6: that time. So she knew it but didn't tell me.

1238
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 6: So you know, I called her up. She hadn't talked

1239
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 6: to me. She was and the story is she was

1240
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 6: so worried about what I was going to say, you know, she.

1241
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 3: Said, she was crying all day, concerned about my call.

1242
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: What's he going to say to me? And I called

1243
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 6: her up and I apologize. I said, I'm sorry, I'm

1244
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 6: sorry I put you in a position that you had

1245
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 6: to make a decision like that, you know, And she said, hey,

1246
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 6: you know what, Sherman.

1247
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: We were both young.

1248
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: You know, you know, and so you know, we made

1249
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 6: a mistake. I did what I thought was best for

1250
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: him and what was best for you. That's why I

1251
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 6: didn't tell you, and so that's that's so that's.

1252
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: Where we went from. So it was a great you.

1253
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: Know, when I told Sharon about it, you know, my wife, man,

1254
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 6: she was beautiful. She didn't he didn't say I'm leaving

1255
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 6: you and all of the other stuff, even though this happened.

1256
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 6: You know, Sharon was a junior in high school in Cleveland.

1257
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 6: I was a senior in high school in Youngstown. We

1258
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 6: didn't even know each other. But she was beautiful. She said, Hey,

1259
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 6: our family just got bigger. I want to go meet

1260
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 6: my grandkids. And Sharon has been treating, dealing in those

1261
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 6: grand boys like they are.

1262
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: Hers by blood. You couldn't. You can't tell her any different.

1263
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 6: If you tell her any different, you better get ready

1264
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 6: to fight, because that's how she is.

1265
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 5: That is amazing.

1266
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: Well, that whole story and just all the things that

1267
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 4: have come out of that. I've never heard anything like

1268
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 4: that in my life. And you know, we all have

1269
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 4: probably secrets that we haven't told, but that was one

1270
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: that in the exposure of it was meant for good.

1271
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 5: And oh absolutely, you know.

1272
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: Well, see you're not both a good friends with Tony Evans.

1273
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 6: And I remember because I called Doc Evanson told him

1274
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 6: because he's one of my mentors.

1275
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: I called him and told him, and.

1276
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 6: He told me back in twenty seventeen, he said, God

1277
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 6: is going to use this story for his glory.

1278
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: He said, God is going to use this and he did.

1279
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 3: When they came out.

1280
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 6: With the movie, showed me the Father that was it there,

1281
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 6: It is right there. God used that story for his glory.

1282
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 6: And so, like you're saying, after I got through planing

1283
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: and it was years later after you know, twenty seventeen.

1284
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 6: I think the movie didn't come out till twenty nineteen twenty.

1285
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: Something like that.

1286
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 6: But man, you know, but God has been using that

1287
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 6: story and I've had opportunities go around and not speak

1288
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 6: on the story itself, but just to speak on fatherhood

1289
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 6: and men and you know, because coaching all that other stuff.

1290
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: So God has used thirty two years of coaching.

1291
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 6: Experience to allowed me to go out and really encourage

1292
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 6: the body.

1293
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: Of Christ, but particularly men.

1294
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed talking to men about you know, our

1295
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 6: responsibility to be difference makers.

1296
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: And so God has opened.

1297
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 6: Up that door from me to use that story, let

1298
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 6: alone my own experiences that I've had.

1299
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you uh, I mean, that's why that's why

1300
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 4: Andy McDonald called you the Rev. Yeah, and that's why

1301
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 4: you have been a great leader on teams that I've

1302
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: been a player on and and a coach on. That's

1303
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: why you're That's why you're there because you also have

1304
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: you have that pulse of the situation and you don't

1305
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: get uh, you don't get fluttered in times of stress.

1306
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: And you know, I mean, what a what a testimony

1307
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 4: if you will that you've had just being able to

1308
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 4: handle a situation like that, and Sharon being so strong

1309
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: in that situation as well.

1310
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: So well, God had us both ready for what we

1311
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: need to do. You know, It's like I told.

1312
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 6: You know, people, I said, you see things differently at

1313
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 6: sixteen than you do when you see five.

1314
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: That's when I found out about it. You know, I think,

1315
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: I think that's what I found out about these. I

1316
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: might have got sixty five at that point, but.

1317
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 6: You know, zee for me, I think the thing that

1318
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 6: was important to me, you know, the guy that led

1319
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 6: me to Christ, you and he were roommates and that

1320
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Speaker 6: and that's Hutch and man, just take you know, learn

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Speaker 6: to take my walk serious man, understanding my identity in

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Speaker 6: Christ and saying, man, that's.

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Speaker 3: Who I am.

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Speaker 6: You know, Christianity is not what you do, it's who

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Speaker 6: you are. And so man, I wanted to be you know,

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Speaker 6: I wanted to make a difference for Christ. And so

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Speaker 6: you know, perfect absolutely not man. You know Roman's three

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Speaker 6: twenty three applies to me all the sin, the fall,

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Speaker 6: so you know I know that. But but my big

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Speaker 6: desire was really to live the glorified God, still to live.

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Speaker 3: The glorified God.

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Speaker 6: And so it was at those moments, man, that you know,

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Speaker 6: just said, man, I want to be God's man.

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Speaker 3: I want to make a difference for him.

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Speaker 6: And so that's been a mindset that I've had and

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Speaker 6: a desire that I've had, and so, uh you know that.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's all about for me. You know, it's it's.

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Speaker 6: God's glory and you know, living to please him and

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Speaker 6: thanking him for allow me to be a part of

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Speaker 6: what He's doing. And uh, you know, taking a cat

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Speaker 6: like me and saying, Okay, now I'm gonna use you know.

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Speaker 3: And uh, well, and that's why I'm forself. And you know, so,

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Speaker 3: like I said, I had great examples, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you've been You've been used.

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Speaker 4: You you take the bull by the horns when you

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Speaker 4: when you need to stand up and uh say something

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Speaker 4: as well. So uh, I think that in all of

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Speaker 4: your career. You know, your career might be over in

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Speaker 4: just coaching football, but you're not in your careers.

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Speaker 5: You're not. Your career is.

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Speaker 4: Never going to be over in influencing men. And uh,

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Speaker 4: I just think.

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Speaker 6: Let me say, I was I was speaking this past year.

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Speaker 6: I was on Father's Day. I was speaking at this

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Speaker 6: church in Kansas City and they had man I'm speaking

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Speaker 6: to this church and they have three services on Sunday

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Speaker 6: and this is this big megachurch.

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Speaker 3: So I come in there, I come in and I

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Speaker 3: meet the senior pastor, and he said, hey, man, are

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Speaker 3: you still you know, he asked me what I was doing.

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Speaker 3: He said, are you still coaching? You know? And I

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Speaker 3: said yes I am. And he said, well where are

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Speaker 3: you coaching at now? And I said, well, I'm getting

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Speaker 3: ready to coach at your church this morning. And so

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I'm still coaching, you know, and so

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Speaker 3: and that's how I look at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So what I'm standing in front of these group of

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Speaker 6: people the church, man, it's to me, you know, see,

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Speaker 6: you know you've done it's coaching, man, just sharing.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're teaching, you're sharing, just like when you

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Speaker 3: stand in front of your players.

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Speaker 6: And you you're coaching a player or something like that.

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Speaker 3: So I said, yeah, man, I'm still coaching, you know.

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Speaker 3: I still look at it. God still has me coaching. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well that is that that's uh, that speaks truth. And

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Speaker 4: and also you coach with that humility and uh, that's

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Speaker 4: what it takes for those men to actually listen and

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Speaker 4: to get something from what you you know, what you're

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Speaker 4: what you're bringing to them. So I'm sure that it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter. What doesn't matter, because when you spend time

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Speaker 4: in anything, you do it it bears all kinds of fruit,

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Speaker 4: and you're doing that in men's lives, that's for sure. Hey,

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Speaker 4: uh yeah, well I can't I can't thank you enough

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Speaker 4: for being a part of this, uh this program. And

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Speaker 4: Raves is going to be really upset because we've had

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Speaker 4: you on and he didn't he only got to ask

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Speaker 4: one question, and but I'm going to.

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Speaker 5: Make sure that he knows the answer to that too.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Shureham for being a part of

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Speaker 4: our podcast. And uh, yep, we're just looking at your

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Speaker 4: Christmas car pitch and laugh this morning.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at the camp man, beautiful looking family. Man.

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Speaker 4: Well, we both thank yeah, you're you're welcome. We both

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Speaker 4: have big families. Now we get to enjoy them all.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, all right, I'll see you later. Bye, Shiram Man,

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Speaker 5: take care of all right.