WEBVTT - Part One: Oregon is a Bastard: The History of a White Supremacist State

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<v Speaker 1>M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once

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<v Speaker 1>again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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<v Speaker 1>everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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<v Speaker 1>all of history. And this week, of course, I'm in Portland, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>on the seventeenth, which is to us tomorrow but to

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<v Speaker 1>you in the past. There will be a rally from

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<v Speaker 1>a group called Patriot Prayer, who you will be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about in the next episode of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>with some members of Rose City antifas guests in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, my guest is My name is Marie L. Eaton,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've lived in Portland for fourteen years and I

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<v Speaker 1>do many different things here, including quite a bit of activism,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of activism. My main effort is with

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<v Speaker 1>sexual and relationship violence prevention and victim advocacy, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>done activism around that for about a decade now, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am a victim advocate both in the university setting

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<v Speaker 1>as well as independent organization setting. And you've also done

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of anti fascist action in the street

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<v Speaker 1>during which you you were photographed, uh and have become

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a figurehead of anti fa for CNN's reports

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<v Speaker 1>on the matter. So we're officially is officially an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Antifa. That's the Fox News chiron that would go across.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna be talking about Oregon, your lovely home state,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and also way more racist historically, at least than

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<v Speaker 1>most people would give it credit for based on Portlandia

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<v Speaker 1>and currently. Yeah, it's not just macrobiotic burritos. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of something else. Hippie ash cars

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<v Speaker 1>that run on garbage. Garbage, Yeah, yeah, garbage cars. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a little bit deeper than that. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna be getting into the day today. The

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<v Speaker 1>bastard is the state of Oregon, which you know, Sorry, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>I do love you, but let's get into it. So

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Hardeman Burnett was born in eight no seven. He

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<v Speaker 1>started out as a self educated which I think in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o seven just means uneducated owner of a general

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<v Speaker 1>store in Clear Creek, Tennessee. As a young man, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Burnett came to suspect that an enslaved black person was

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<v Speaker 1>drinking from his stores whiskey barrel at night, so he

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<v Speaker 1>set up a booby trap, a rifle that was rigged

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<v Speaker 1>to fire when the windows shutter was opened. His trap

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<v Speaker 1>wound up killing the poor man when the guy tried

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<v Speaker 1>to break into his house. Burnett expressed remorse, but was

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<v Speaker 1>not charged with any crime because it was eighteen o

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<v Speaker 1>seven and that sort of thing wasn't really a crime

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<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee back then. In eighteen forty three, Burnett helped

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<v Speaker 1>organize and lead the first great wagon train to Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was one of the pioneers who first discovered

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<v Speaker 1>this territory Oregon Trail. You could say is a game

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<v Speaker 1>about Peter Burnett, murderer and uh soon to be politician,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was quickly elected to the provisional Legislature of Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this before Oregan was a state, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>still a territory, and he served as the territory of

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon's first Supreme Court justice, chief Supreme Court Justice. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing his qualifications were let a wagon train and

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<v Speaker 1>was a murderer. So in either like you're our judge,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're in charge of this state right now. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So eighteen forty four, Peter Burnett was instrumental in passing

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<v Speaker 1>what came to be known as the Burnett Lash Law.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard of the Burnett Lash Law from you? Okay, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that we've talked this. Uh. I had not heard and

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<v Speaker 1>not remembered that. I'm sure I've heard it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have not remembered that until you brought it up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit famous, um it. Uh. It's essentially stated

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<v Speaker 1>that all black people were required to leave Oregon County

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<v Speaker 1>under penalty of being whipped quote not less than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>or more than thirty nine stripes. Uh. This punishment was

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<v Speaker 1>to be repeated every six months until they left the state.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the interesting things about Peter Burnett is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's a classic example of someone winding up on

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<v Speaker 1>the right side of a historical issue for tremendously wrong reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Peter Burnette was an outspoken abolitionist, not because he

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<v Speaker 1>believes slavery was wrong, but because he was just that

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<v Speaker 1>racist and he thought that if there was slavery, there

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<v Speaker 1>would be people who weren't white in the country. That

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<v Speaker 1>was his whole issue, which is there's a whole like

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of the abolitionist movement which were just people who

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<v Speaker 1>were too racist to own slaves. Um. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a little historical angle. It gets left out a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the time, but bizarre. So Burnett's law did include

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<v Speaker 1>a grace period three years for black women and two

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<v Speaker 1>years for black men, so we gave him some time

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of the state. Burnett also pushed against

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese migration to Oregon. He tried to ban it um.

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<v Speaker 1>He later went on to become the first governor of

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<v Speaker 1>the state of California, so he's my state's first governor

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And of course his first action and governor

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<v Speaker 1>of the state of California was I'm pretty sure you

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<v Speaker 1>can guess he tried to ban all black people. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you know? And then he tried to ban

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<v Speaker 1>all Chinese people from California. Peter Burnett was a consistent man,

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing else. Uh. And I got a picture of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he looks like we'll put it up on the

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<v Speaker 1>site behind the bastards dot com. But he looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you would cast to play a generical Look

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<v Speaker 1>at that four. That's a five head, Yes, that is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even a seven. I mean it is. It just

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<v Speaker 1>keeps going and those little curls on the side the curls.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go against them for the curls.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's he seems like he might have. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the only redeeming quality. And I mean it's a weird cravat.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks like someone in a story who would like

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<v Speaker 1>take off his cravat and his head would fall off

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<v Speaker 1>in an old fable. Yeah, it doesn't look like a

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<v Speaker 1>very happy person. No, no, he does not. He looks

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like the painting of the guy Vigo

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<v Speaker 1>and Ghostbusters to the bad guy who's trying to steal

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<v Speaker 1>that baby's body. Yeah, he's got that, he's got his

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<v Speaker 1>eyes are doing that sort of thing. So you really

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<v Speaker 1>owe it to yourself to look at a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Burnett, a guy who looks like his goal in

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<v Speaker 1>life was to ban people who aren't white from multiple states. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Burnett's lash law did not last long, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hard to say. Ten times fast law did not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even going to attend it fair enough. So

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<v Speaker 1>now the good news is that no black people are

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<v Speaker 1>recorded to have been lashed under. It apparently was not

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<v Speaker 1>used even in the eighteen forties in Oregon, and people

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<v Speaker 1>were like, this seems a little bit too racist. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking Oregon in eighteen forties. Who knows what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>especially rural areas where the rural law was even less

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<v Speaker 1>than it was in Portland. Whether or not it was used,

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<v Speaker 1>the law reflected the values of the first white people

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<v Speaker 1>who settled in the territory of Oregon. They wanted their

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<v Speaker 1>state to be slave free, but because that was the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to ensure the state had no black people

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<v Speaker 1>at all, in eighteen forty eight, the Oregon Territorial government

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<v Speaker 1>passed a law that banned any quote negro or mulatto

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<v Speaker 1>from living in Oregon. In eighteen fifty, the Oregon Land

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<v Speaker 1>Donation Act gave quote whites and half breed Indians six

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty acres of land from the government. All other

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<v Speaker 1>people of color were banned from receiving land grants. So

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon was founded as a whites only state. It was

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<v Speaker 1>seen as this is going to be just white people

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<v Speaker 1>in this chunk. So that was the Pacific Northwest from

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<v Speaker 1>the get go, almost two hundred years ago. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's this we'll be talking about. There's some people who

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<v Speaker 1>still think that ought to be the way things work. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So from the beginning, Oregon was a very rough place

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<v Speaker 1>to be anything but a very very white person. There

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<v Speaker 1>were some extraordinarily brave black pioneers who did try to

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<v Speaker 1>make a life out here. In eighteen fifty one, one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was Jacob Vanderpool. He was a former sailor.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he came from the Caribbean Islands, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we know exactly, But he came to own

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<v Speaker 1>a saloon, restaurant and boarding house in Oregon City. And

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<v Speaker 1>a white guy named Theophilius Magruder, which is a name,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a name in the name you would expect of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's about to do or who did what

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to talk about him doing, reported him for

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<v Speaker 1>the crime of being black in Oregon Um and he

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<v Speaker 1>was given thirty days to leave the state. Now, Magruder

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<v Speaker 1>also owned a hotel and a bar in the same town,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's entirely possible that his motive was as financial

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<v Speaker 1>as it was racist, if not more so. But Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderpool was forced to leave and forced to give up

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<v Speaker 1>his business. In eighteen fifty seven, Oregon wrote a state

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<v Speaker 1>constitution that enshrined its exclusion of black people into law.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote no free negro or mulatto not residing in this

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<v Speaker 1>state at the time of the adoption of this Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>shall ever come reside or be within the state, or

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<v Speaker 1>hold any real estate, or make any contract, or maintain

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<v Speaker 1>any suit therein. And the Legislative Assembly shall provide by

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<v Speaker 1>penal laws for the removal by public officers of all

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<v Speaker 1>such free Negroes and Mulattos, and for their effectual exclusion

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<v Speaker 1>from the state, and from the punishment of persons who

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<v Speaker 1>shall bring them into the state, or employ them or

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<v Speaker 1>harbor them therein. Yeah, so that's the initial law that

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon is founded under eighteen fifty seven. In eighteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon Territory finally becomes a state. It was the only

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<v Speaker 1>state in the Union that was officially whites only. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the only time that this happened. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>as much racism as there is in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, We're going the only state to try

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. So that's a fame. I guess. Texas

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<v Speaker 1>has the Alamo and which is also pretty racist as

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<v Speaker 1>kind of. I grew up in Texas and they always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of smoothed over why the Texans were rebelling against

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico a lot to do with the So they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to own people in Mexico. Didn't like people owning people. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they really hid that fat yeah always yeah. So, while

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon initially ratified the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which

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<v Speaker 1>gave citizenship to all people born or naturalized in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, including former slaves. This is why we have

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<v Speaker 1>birthright citizenship. It was they were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a legal solution too. We've got all these people that

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<v Speaker 1>were forced to be here and now they've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be citizens. Yeah. So Oregon initially ratified the fourteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it almost immediately rescinded the ratification of the amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people got angry. Oregon is also one of

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<v Speaker 1>only six states that refused to ratify the fifteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave black men the right to vote. So fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon eventually got it shipped together enough to finally ratify

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen Amendment. Do you want to guess when that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known this before, but I can't think of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was eight or nineteen fifty nine. Nineteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, all right, we'll ratify the amendment. That

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<v Speaker 1>let's black guys vote, just black guys. Uh. Yeah. It

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<v Speaker 1>did not reratify the fourteenth Amendment until nineteen seventy three. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely remember that date. I think it's important when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about like why this stuff still lingers, because

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't. It's not we're not talking about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred eighteen sixty five. Really isn't that long ago

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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about generations because the last Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>widows pension just stop getting paid like three years ago. Absolutely. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll say that all the time, like, oh, racism

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<v Speaker 1>is done, slavery is over. Okay, interesting, let's talk about redlining.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well that was a long time ago too, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, Oregon ratified

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<v Speaker 1>the amendment that gave birthright citizens ship to people fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years before. I was not that long. Disco might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a thing. I don't know when that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that may have been a thing. Yeah, it's about as

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<v Speaker 1>old as disco. It's about as old as disco. Although

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<v Speaker 1>that does feel that that does feel old now. Disco

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<v Speaker 1>actually feels older than white supremacy in orger Absolutely so. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably not hard to see why the state of

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon has stayed so white even though after eighteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight there was nothing legally the state authorities could do

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<v Speaker 1>to keep black people out of Oregon. So again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not whites only after that point. By eighteen ninety there

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<v Speaker 1>were only around a thousand black people in the entire state.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen twenty, there were just two thousand. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties would have been a rough time to be

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<v Speaker 1>a black person in Oregon because Oregon was the highest

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<v Speaker 1>per capita membership of the Ku Klux Klan of any

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<v Speaker 1>state in the Union. They marched in, Yeah, they gathered

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland proper all the time, thousands of them, thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of the thousands. They're Claverns, I think, Yeah, that's the name.

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<v Speaker 1>They're Grand Wizards, Burnings cross Burns Center in the city. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I prefer to it's easier to focus on the ridiculous names.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was cross burnings and murders and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about that now, No, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we can. That's what we're here for, Yeah, that is

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<v Speaker 1>what we're here. So Democrat Walter Pierce was elected governor

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty two after receiving the enthusiastic endorsement of

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<v Speaker 1>the Oregon Ku Klux Klan. In fact, it may have

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<v Speaker 1>been why he won, According to an article in The

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian quote photos in the local papers show the Portland

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<v Speaker 1>Chief of Police, sheriff, District Attorney, U s Attorney, and

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<v Speaker 1>mayor posing with klansmen, accompanied by an article saying them

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<v Speaker 1>in we're taking advice from the clan. So again, really

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<v Speaker 1>not weird that it took until the seventies to ratify

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth raified it. Yeah, So World War two is

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<v Speaker 1>when things really started to change demographically in Oregon. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time that a large number of black

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<v Speaker 1>people began to move to the state. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>because America was in this whole war thing, and we

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<v Speaker 1>need to build a shipload of boats. And if there's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing Portland's great at, it's being a place to

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<v Speaker 1>build a shipload of boats. You guys, we got our boats.

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<v Speaker 1>If I ever need to build a navy, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the city. I'm gonna build that navy and go for it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're here. I'm gonna crowdfunded like a like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a go fundmate, but instead of for medical bills, for

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<v Speaker 1>like a battleship or three. What are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>use it for? I don't know. You'll sail around like

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<v Speaker 1>what Elron Hubbard did, just sail around for eight or

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<v Speaker 1>nine years. Podcasting, podcasting, podcast boat, a podcast boat, a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>cult boats podcast. I was going to say, uss past us,

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<v Speaker 1>that's more catchy than mine, exactly catchy than mine. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not the namer in this well, in fairness, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>the name or either somebody else figured that out there. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I I feel your pain. So, by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>World War two, more than black people had moved to Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them resided in Vanport, a small city between

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<v Speaker 1>Portland and Vancouver, Washington, calling it a city at first

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<v Speaker 1>at least, yeah, small town, small town it was. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of it was temporary housing that was built because they

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<v Speaker 1>had so many workers coming in and they needed the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to host them in. Portland was a very tiny

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<v Speaker 1>city at this point. Still, here's how the Smithsonian described

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of Vanport quote completed in just a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten days. The town, comprised of ten thousand, four

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen apartments and homes, was mostly a slipshod combination of

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<v Speaker 1>wooden blocks and fiber board walls built on marshaland between

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbia Slough and the Columbia River. Vanport was physically

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<v Speaker 1>segregated from Portland and kept dry only by a system

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<v Speaker 1>of dikes that held back the flow of the Columbia River.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little bit of foreshadowing there. This is built

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<v Speaker 1>and basically the worst location you could build a town

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it dry. Years later, Manly Maven, who grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Vanport, would describe it this way. Quote the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological effective living on the bottom of a relatively small

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<v Speaker 1>area dyked on all sides to a height of fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five ft was vaguely disturbing. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to get a view of the horizon from anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in Vanport, at least on the ground during the lower

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<v Speaker 1>level apartments, and it was even difficult from upper levels,

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<v Speaker 1>which I can't really imagine this. It sounds like almost

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<v Speaker 1>something you'd see in like a dystopian movie, where these

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<v Speaker 1>people just have these dikes rising like they're walled in

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<v Speaker 1>on all sides. And this is the hub of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the black community in Portland. You know for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that it really has any size at all. Um So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea was that once folks had settled into Vanport

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, worked at their jobs long enough and

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<v Speaker 1>earn some cash, they would be able to rent your

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<v Speaker 1>by homes elsewhere. It was not intended to be a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent development, but discriminatory housing policy made it nearly impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for black people to uh, you know, live anywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>in the city. Um So, once the war ended, the

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor of Portland wrote a newspaper article telling the black

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<v Speaker 1>people of Vanport that they were no longer welcome in

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<v Speaker 1>the state. Uh. This is the Mayor of Portland has

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<v Speaker 1>basically put up a letter saying like, Okay, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for building the boats. You can go. You can go now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The housing authority discussed tearing the town down. A nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven Oregon Journal article described local attitudes to Vanport

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<v Speaker 1>this way, too many Oregonians, Vanport has been undesirable because

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<v Speaker 1>it is supposed to have a large colored population. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the some twenty three thou inhabitants, only slightly over four

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<v Speaker 1>thousander colored residents. True, this is a high percentage per

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<v Speaker 1>capita compared to other Northwestern cities, but as one resident

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<v Speaker 1>puts it, the colored people have to live somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether the Northwesterners lie it or not, they're here to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot to dig into in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the phrasing. They're both that this this journalist rather

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<v Speaker 1>than being like kind of confronting the racism, is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not entirely accurate. It's only a quarter color. And

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<v Speaker 1>then also, yeah, whether whether the Northwesterners like it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>they are here to stay. That's the attitude in nineteen seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So today you know Vanport as Delta park. Um. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of the land that it's that's on now

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<v Speaker 1>because very little of Vanport City still remains um. In

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, it started raining very hard on Memorial Day,

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<v Speaker 1>Residents of Vanport woke up to driving rain. In this

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<v Speaker 1>letter from the Housing Authority of Portland, the HP, Remember

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<v Speaker 1>dikes are safe at present. You will be warned if necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>you will have time to leave. Don't get excited. I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like if the government's sending you all caps

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<v Speaker 1>notes that they don't get excited, she'd probably get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>To get pretty excited. Should get pretty side it, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened next is uh horrendous, Yeah, horrendous and

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<v Speaker 1>very predictable. The dikes did not hold. A hole opened

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<v Speaker 1>up shortly after four pm, and roughly one day Vanport,

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon's second largest city at the time, was completely wiped

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<v Speaker 1>out by floodwaters. Eighteen thousand, five hundred people, sixty three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred of whom were black, were displaced. Hundreds died, but

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know how many, because it really seems like

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<v Speaker 1>the HP may have secretly disposed of hundreds of corpses um.

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<v Speaker 1>Even even with the predictability that you were mentioning, people

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<v Speaker 1>often will trust authority figures, and even if it seems

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<v Speaker 1>predictable in hindsight, at the time, it probably didn't. They

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<v Speaker 1>probably really trusted that that they were safe. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was sorry. I was not trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>that people bandports should have predicted it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The city shaded on something. They didn't give a ship

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<v Speaker 1>with this place that was basically built underwater with the

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<v Speaker 1>water held in by walls, and then the walls start

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<v Speaker 1>getting flooded with water. Absolutely. Um, there's a rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>four fifty seven dead people were shipped to Japan for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. There's a bunch of weird rumors around what

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<v Speaker 1>that's very god Yeah, it's it's it's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>to dig into. I heard they recover ups. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>heard that. It seems like a reasonable guests would be

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere between four and SI. But it's it's very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Yeah, let me see that cycle repeating itself

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<v Speaker 1>with Puerto Rico. Yeah, where it's it's weird how things

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<v Speaker 1>rhyme all of the time in history. Ye all, the

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of rhyming, it's time for an ad break. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a bad plot. But do you have any products

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<v Speaker 1>and or services you'd like to plug before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the ones that paid us? Uh? So it gets

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<v Speaker 1>to just kind of be anything anything you want. I

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<v Speaker 1>usually pick random objects on the table because I just

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<v Speaker 1>love advertising. All Right, I'm going to say that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>should read Man Search for Meaning by Victor frankpl Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>That is much more meaningful than the plug. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go, so, yeah, read Man Search for Ye well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going Vino daily moisturizing lotion. Only daily moisturizing

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<v Speaker 1>lotion currently on this table of it. Let's uh, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's move over to the products indoor services that actually

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<v Speaker 1>paid us for. We're back. We're back back, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about racism Oregon. Now for something completely different. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean compared to your sponsors. Oh, yes, very different,

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<v Speaker 1>because none of our sponsors support racism in Oregon for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure. I mean, like they make belts like Croup six.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see how a belt could be racist. Depends

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<v Speaker 1>on where they're made. Should I be saying this? Should

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<v Speaker 1>I be talking about consumerism under capitalism? Well, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we do. It's one of those things we uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the ocean that we live in. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can't do anything but swim, but you can't try to

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<v Speaker 1>pick products that you feel don't add to the problems

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you're not sponsored by Amazon. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored by Amazon, and I do believe that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>general good to keep people's pants up. Yeah, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back into us. Continue. So there's a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>say in terms of Portland's history being terrible to the

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<v Speaker 1>black people who lived there. There was the time when

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<v Speaker 1>voters in nineteen fifty six approved the construction of an

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<v Speaker 1>arena that necessitated the destruction of four hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six films, half of which were black people's homes, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course black people made up like less than two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the city at this point, so we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a proportional sort of Yeah, and the expressway

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm about to say. Well, actually, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to go into a completely different time

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<v Speaker 1>that they did that. There's yeah, there was the time

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<v Speaker 1>also in fifty six when the city of Portland used

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<v Speaker 1>federal funds to expand a local hospital by bulldoz in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six acres black owned homes and businesses at the

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<v Speaker 1>junction of North Williams Avenue and Russell Street, which at

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<v Speaker 1>that point was considered Portland's black main street, which if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm keeping track, is at least the third black main

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<v Speaker 1>street in a city in the United States that was destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Although since Portland didn't bomb their's, which is what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of other states, I guess it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>better than the air Force, I suppose. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's hard to tell better from worse. Slow

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<v Speaker 1>deprivation is not always Yeah, I was reaching for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of levity in a situation that doesn't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us about this expressway, which I did not

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<v Speaker 1>include it here. Yeah, So Anyone who's in Portland knows

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I'm talking about. But for people outside, there

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<v Speaker 1>is this very long freeway project that goes past and

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<v Speaker 1>around the Memorial Coliseum, which you just mentioned that was

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<v Speaker 1>built the arena, and this expressway was initially going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the west portion of Portland. Anyone who knows

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<v Speaker 1>Portland knows that the will Lambite River bisects east from west,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was initially going to be on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the river. But then people over there

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, oh no, like, we don't want that over here.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was you know, predominantly white people who were

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, and so they decided, yeah, exactly, and nimby, nimby,

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<v Speaker 1>and so instead got placed right wrapped around right next

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<v Speaker 1>to the Memorial Coliseum and resulted in the destruction of many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many many more homes and displaced people there. So it

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<v Speaker 1>just goes straight around northeast Portland and up north. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess most of those homes were upper middle class,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Caucasian, right, because that's most of that part

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<v Speaker 1>of port Let me check hold on a second, No, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>are you surprised, racist? Racist? Oh my gosh, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like we're about to continue talking about Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were back to the sponsors. We're back

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<v Speaker 1>to belts. No, we're not talking about we're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>to milds. So yeah. Really kicking off in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighties was a process called redlining. This is

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<v Speaker 1>basically banks colluding to refuse mortgage loans to qualify black applicants.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be the quick way to sort of sum up

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<v Speaker 1>both of that process. An investigation published by The Oregony

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety journalism found that Portland banks were granting

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<v Speaker 1>loans to black Oregonians at roughly one tenth the rate

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<v Speaker 1>they were granting them to white people, um and one

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 1>tenth the rate that they were supposed to be granting them.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who don't know, it's literal red lines

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>drawn on a map, very specifically placed. And that's something

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 1>that I think a lot of people are not aware

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.919
<v Speaker 1>of that it is. It really refers to red lines

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that were written on maps. Yeah, and they're resentally saying

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>we want to keep black people out of its neighborhoods,

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 1>we want to allow them to buy houses here. And

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not like that we're really granting a lot of

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>loans to the black neighborhoods either, but like, yeah, they

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>were basically trying to hymn them in. It was kind

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.960
<v Speaker 1>of like the zoning version of Kettling a little bit. Yeah.

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.119
<v Speaker 1>So there were also a series of police shootings of

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>black men in the nineteen seventies and Portland's and in

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties, and investigation revealed that the local Portland

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>police had been running over possums and leaving the corpses

0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>in front of black owned restaurants, which don't even know

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>what to say. It's a thing that happened. So given

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>all of that, it's probably not much of a surprise

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to listeners that for much of the nineteen eighties and

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, Portland became known in the punk community as

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a haven for neo Nazi skinheads. Racist skins would be

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the I listened to a lot of that

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of punk music. Yeah, but yeah, there's a whole

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 1>lingo here. I saw the movie Green Room. It's a

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:29.159
<v Speaker 1>fine film about Nazi skins in Oregon. Scary, scary. I

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.919
<v Speaker 1>left feeling all sorts of feels. That's how you're supposed

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>to feel that's how you're supposed to feel real good racist. Yeah.

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>That was quite close to home. Yeah, yeah, but I

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 1>was going to say the possum imagery stayed really would still.

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.200
<v Speaker 1>You would still see people refer to possums in coded

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 1>language even through the nineteen eighties, from racist skinheads. They

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 1>would say keep the possums out. Yeah, it was still utilized.

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I did not have that. I just need that the

0:24:58.240 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>police were doing this, have no idea. I thought they

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>just like being dix and there were a lot of

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>dead possums in Portland. But there's a racial element to

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the tape. Fascinating. Yeah, it was still used as a

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>symbol of terror and racism. Wow, So from the cops

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 1>to the punks. That's not usually how that goes. I

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>know one thing about I'm not supposed to talk to

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>cosh but yeah, yeah, but these are the these are

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi skinheadpots. They like to win. The cops were

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>being racist. Yeah that's the thing they want cops doing. Yeah.

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So on about a month after I was born, well

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>lamb It Weekly published Young Nazis Portland's New Breed of

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Racists about the growing population of young fascists in the city.

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Reporter Jim Retten interviewed several of these guys and their

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Southeast Portland apartment and credit words due this was not

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like the New York Times profile and the Nazi next

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>door thing like it was an important that was covering it.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.439
<v Speaker 1>He seems to have done it a good job of

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>doing it, at least from what I've read. He asked

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>them about an assault on a guy named Sam Chin,

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a twenty seven year old Portland resid and originally from Singapore.

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Three skinheads had confronted Chin's family, beat up and stomped

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>on him, and read and brought this up to the Nazis.

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read a quote from the article. Although they

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>denounced the media's focus on violence, they are not unwilling

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to completely reject it. While they say the assault on

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Chin was not representative of their beliefs, they repeatedly stressed

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 1>that they are willing to fight for their cause. We

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't beat up someone for no reason at all, says Kay,

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>a tall male with a tattoo of a heavily booted

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>skinhead on his left bicep. But we're ready to defend ourselves.

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Which I picked that quote because you can put those

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>words in the mouth of patriot prayers. Joey Gibson. Absolutely,

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>who's the guy running the rallies that have been fights recently.

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the same sort of sentiment that comes from oath keepers,

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>three percenters, all of them. Yeah. So next we're going

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to talk about what happened on November when Muata Sarra,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a twenty eight year old Ethiopian immigrant student at PSU

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and a father of one, was dropped off in the

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>parking lot of his apartment complex by some friends. He

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was about to head into his apartment when a vehicle

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>holding three racist skinheads and their girlfriends pulled up. And

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>these guys have been drinking and handing out racist flyers

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>from an organization called White Area and Resistance. Get a

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit more into that. A second one of the

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>skins who I was originally going to use names because

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:15.959
<v Speaker 1>I usually do, but I do like your attitude of

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>not giving these guys the benefit of their names. So

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to name the skinheads. Yeah, but anyone

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>who's curious can get the book. A hundred Little Hitlers.

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:27.959
<v Speaker 1>That's a good title. Yeah, that's a real good title.

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm all for community education learning about people.

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But there is a distinction of putting out the names

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and repeating them out loud over and over and over again,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and forgetting the names of victims and heroes who have

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>stepped in. Yeah, I agree, that's that's that's yeah, so Chips, Sorry,

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the things you can we'll bleep out. Yeah, we'll bleep

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.199
<v Speaker 1>that out. The bleep you heard was a name that

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to say. One of these skins lived

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>in the same block of apartments all and I think

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>one of the scripts I heard from a police officer

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>was they could have strung tin cans on strings and

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>talk to each other. They lived that close together. So yeah,

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis had been drinking heavily and putting up white

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>supremacist posters around town. They shouted at Sara and his friends,

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and then while their girlfriends shouted for them to kill him,

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis jumped Mulaghetta Sarat. One of them hit Mulaghetta

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 1>in the back of the head, I believe with a

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>baseball bat, and there was no ball er mit in

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the car. They did not have that for baseball. No,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they had it for me for Nazi reasons. The reason

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis carry based bats and he had the initials

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of the organization carved into the back. Really, so he

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>had war carved in them. I don't think he had war.

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it was their own group, because they had

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>their own Yeah. So this was a batmant for doing

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>exactly what he did with committing violent assault and in

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>this case, murder, because they continued to hit mulu Getta

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>when he fell to the ground, and they also continued

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>to stomp on him with steel toed boots. He died

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that night from blood force trauma. So they went to prison. Um.

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>At the time, a big deal was made about the

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>fact that one of them, the kid with the bat,

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was the frontman of a popular local band and also

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>an actor who had worked with Gus Van Sant. Sort

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of articles they were talking about this

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>talented young actor and the terrible thing. It's like, well,

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>he murdered a guy, doesn't matter that he was good

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>at acting, right about that? And they still do that too. Yeah. Yeah,

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I said, it's not hard to the

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>way that perpetrators of various crimes depending on their race

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>makes a big difference in the headline. Yeah, you see

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>it every time there's a marked difference of what happens

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>when one of these people commits a crime in the

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>way that their report on them, or even if you

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>are a young black boy like Tamir Rice a child

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and people are saying, oh, he was a big scary,

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>he was manlike, it's horrifying yea. And yet then we

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>see these white men committing crimes who actually did something

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and the way that they're painting and it is absolutely ridiculous. Well,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and there's really old history to that. I remember reading.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>We did an episode where we talked about through the U. S.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Occupation of the Philippines, and there was an island that

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the there's a massacre in the U. S. Military base

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>where a bunch of US soldiers got killed, and then

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in response, they massacred. And the language they used was

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>they killed all of the men over ten, which you're

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>not a man at eleven, not a man at twelve,

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>not a man at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen.

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>But like it doesn't matter. I mean, massacring is wrong,

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>but like just the language used any man over ten

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>is like, I feel like you're not a man till twenty.

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>But that's just my view. I think it usually takes

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>more like maybe before I'll let you know when I

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>hit that point. I'm at thirty right now, and I

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>don't feel all the way there now. Mulgato Sura's murder

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>led to a legal case against Tom Metzker, a shriveled

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>little testicle of a man and the founder of White

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>areaan Resistance or War. You can see a documentary of

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>him made after this point with Louis Threw where he

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>spends several days with him, and you get the feeling

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that he's a ridiculous kind And I think this is

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a problem. This caused a problem because I think that

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these people were covered that way as

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of like, look at this ridiculous. He's racist, and

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>he's the things he says are terrible, but he's really

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>just a crazy old thing. He's kind of cute. Look

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>at this little guy. Yet, Now, what Tom had been

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>doing is sending his son up to Portland and sending

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>a significant amount of written propaganda up there that was

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>not just propaganda on you know, not national socialism or whatever,

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>but was specifically advocating violence and talking about ways to

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.239
<v Speaker 1>commit violence. I believe, you know, a little bit more

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>about this than I do. Yeah, so War his white

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Arian resistance group had these newspapers they would give out

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that we're overtly, horrifyingly racist, and the cartoons that they

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>would have on the covers were just absolutely disgusting. And

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>they would send up stacks to Portland for these young

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>groups of men who previously, we're not organized. They were

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>just going around and they would get drunk and they

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>would talk about being arian and racism and all that.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Not to say they shouldn't have been taken seriously at all,

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't organized at that point. And it wasn't

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>until Tom Medsker and his son stepped in that they

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>began to have tools. They began to have these newspapers, flyers,

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>they would pass out fake welfare applications that they would

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>pass out to women of color and humiliate them and

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>attempt to humiliate them. And it wasn't until that point

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>that they actually had these tools and these means of

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>propaganda to pass out that they began to feel organized.

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>And this is where we're get into something that's really

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting me. It's a little bit difficult to talk about.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Are you familiar with the concept of the fewer principle. UM.

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've heard specifically about it, but I

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>imagine it has to do with having a leader to

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>organize you. That's an aspect of it. It was the idea,

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>this was like the central idea behind the original nazis

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>an individual can embody and electrify at people and bring

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>them up and sort of use them as a tool

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>almost that and that that desirable and good. And obviously

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that's silly when you start talking about like nations, but

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a little to it when you talk about something

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like you've got these disaffected kids in Portland who have

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>no sort of organizing principle, and a guy like Tom

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Metzger who has just enough charisma, just enough vision to

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>get them united behind a purpose, and then they become dangerous.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think that you're seeing something similar with a

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>guy like Joey Gibson, who has I watched his speech,

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>is a good amount of personal charisma. He's good at speaking,

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>he's good at organizing. UM. And these people, the people

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>who show up these patriot prayer rallies, just like the

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>people who murdered Mulugeta Sara, we're doing shitty, racist things

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>in their personal lives beforehand, but it took a leader

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>coming in and then they're a cohesive Yeah. Absolutely, So

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that's where it's important to understand that concept

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>because that do you think it embodies something? Not that

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like the Nazi said that this was how everything worked.

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's how everything work, but I think

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>it's how Nazis work across time, and whether or not

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.479
<v Speaker 1>they call themselves Nazis or patriots or whatever, it's howies were.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Um so digression um yeah. Even though Tom Metzger had

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>not specifically ordered the Skinheads to commit that particular murder,

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 1>he was seen as having vicarious liability for indoctrinated kids

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>with racist ideology, publishing information on how to commit violent crimes,

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and sending people up to talk to them. So he

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>was ordered to pay like twelve and a half million

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>dollars in damages. Yeah, and he wound up with losing

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>complately bankrupted him. He had to sell his house. He

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>lost his house. Yeah. I had to pay amounts every

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>single months. Yeah up to today, at age like eighties something.

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>And they sold his house to a Hispanic family. Yes

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>they did they or no, the I think it was

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it was Sara's family right who, No, it was not.

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Was it the A C l U who got it?

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Or Southern Poverty Law Centered was the one to sue them,

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>if that's what you're asking. Yeah, And the neighbors were

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>extremely happy to see the new family move in. They

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't like Tom Metzker really because gosh, what a likable

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>guy he was. He seemed like he had a lot

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>on the ball. Sure he's a bad neighbor, you're saying, Yes,

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine weird how nazis. Yeah, it's like neighbors

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>don't like when a bunch of skinheads come in and

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>out of somebody's own Yeah, okay, keep that in mind. Yeah.

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>You know what else I'll keep in mind is these

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>products and services that are about to support our show,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>and we're back, and we're back. You didn't hear it

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>because what we just said will not be in the thing.

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>But we just did a great plug for Microsoft that

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to repeat. No, absolutely not, you know,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in our hearts, in our hearts. So let's get back

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>into racism in Oregon. Soura Is murdered. His funeral is

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously a very big deal, very emotional time. A lot

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of activists come out for it, and there are rumors

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that before the funeral that three Nazi skinheads might show

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>up to protest. This did not wind up happening, but

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>in spite of the increased visibility of the city hate problem,

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Portland's racist skinhead problem only got worse during the nineteen nineties.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>In a two thousand seventeen article for The Guardian, reporter

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Jason Wilson quote cr And Malloy, a union organizer and

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>anti fascist activist who was active during this period. In

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen there were multiple gangs and three hundred Nazis

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in a city of three hundred thousand. The anti racist

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 1>youth were intimidated and isolated. The Nazis were just openly

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>hanging out on the streets down in a Pioneer Courthouse Square.

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>They would just gather and sit around, and people knew

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to avoid that entire block. Yeah, and then there's talk,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>especially talk from racists about the quote unquote no go

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>zones in places like London rear Paris, which do not exist,

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of reporting on establishing that they're not real.

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>There were no go zones in Portland for people of

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>color in this period of time. Pioneer Square would have

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>been one of them. Siern malloy added, quote, it's not

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>hyperbolic to call it a war. There was intense fighting.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>So again, the street fighting that we're seeing right now

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon, that might happen literally the day after we

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>record this podcast is nothing new. But fighting between racist

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and anti racist skinheads in Portland earned it the nickname

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Skinhead City during the nineteen nineties, which is a cool nickname.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Beats it does beat Portlandia. Yeah, yeah, you guys are

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>going to be carrying that right. I'm sorry what people

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>out from l A keep doing. The nice cities in

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the Northwest. They destroyed Bend too. But I will say

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>about Skinhead City, it's at least accurate, which is a

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>heavy thing to say. But the whole Portlandia most you know,

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>there's some truth to that show, But that show is

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>for getting a very large portion of our population and culture.

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Part of what I wonder, depending on how all of

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:52.479
<v Speaker 1>this increased political violence goes, is how twenty or thirty years,

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>if that show will just make no sense to people,

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I hope. So, yeah, well not in that way, oh ye,

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 1>well yeah, if you're if you're going Okay, I see

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I was

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>just hoping that we'll win this fight against Joey Gibson

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and then first Culture will actually be celebrated for the

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>first time in Portland. Yeah. That would be nice. That

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>would be nice. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Yes. So. Um. Now,

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi skins who infested Portland and who degree still

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>invests both Portland and Oregon were obsessed with an idea

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that still holds much traction among the fascist right, the

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Northwest Imperative. The basic reasoning behind the Northwest Imperative is that,

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 1>since Oregon is already super white and filled with fascists,

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>why not try and turn it into a white ethno state. Um.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>From a Nazi point of view, the last two hundred

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.399
<v Speaker 1>years of Oregon history have already done a really good

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.320
<v Speaker 1>job of laying the groundwork for this. Oregon is currently

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the whitest state, in Portland the whitest big city in

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Yeah. There is today an organization called

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the Northwest Front dedicated to making the dream of the

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Northwest Imperative a reality. The about section of their website

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>sums them up this way. Quote the Northwest Front is

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a political organization of Arian men and women in the

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>United States and Canada of all ages and social backgrounds,

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>who recognize that an independent and sovereign white nation in

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest is the only possibility for the survival

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of the white race on this continent. So that's the rhetoric,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.919
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're angling for. The Southern Poverty Law Center

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 1>identifies eighteen different hate groups in the state of Oregon.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>An outside of explicit hate groups, Oregon still has a

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of its old problems with hate. A two thousand

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>eleven audit found that six of landlords and leasing agents

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the city discriminated against black and Latino renters, giving

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>them higher rents, forcing them to pay larger deposits, and

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>levying additional fees against absolutely that's nuts. And with gentrification

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>as well, the neighborhoods that have been most chicken shaken, chicken, chicken, chicken,

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>most chicken they got shipped real good yes by gentrification

0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>in uh recent times are the same neighborhoods like I'll

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>buy a neighborhood that we have seen a lot of

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the history you've talked about of pushing people of color

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to that center are now gentrified with huge condos and

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>entirely unrecognizable. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, and this is

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the I mean, you can trace some of that back

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to Portland, to be honest. So black students in Portland

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>are suspended and expelled at a rate four to five

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>times higher than that of their white peers. And this

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 1>brings us more or less to the modern era where

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>we are today. Portland is a city with a lot

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of left wing political activism now and definite reputation is

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>being quote woke. It's seen as a hippie to be

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.479
<v Speaker 1>sort of place. But you know, we've as we've covered,

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a very long history of discrimination and a very

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>long history of racist organizing. Over the last two years,

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 1>though Oregon has entered what maybe a different era. The

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 1>fighting in the streets is bigger and bloodier than it

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>has ever been before. The group behind it, Patriot Prayer

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and to a lesser extent, the Proud Boys, is harder

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to place and harder to get the mainstream to condemn

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>than a man like Tom Metzger and an organization like

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>White Arian Existance. Newspapers know what to do when you

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 1>call yourself white or Area Resistance your Patriot Prayer, you're

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>covered an American flag, you say you don't support hate,

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>or if you're the Proud Boys and you're punching each

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 1>other in naming cereals like it's harder for especially casual Yeah. Yeah,

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's where we are now, and that's what we're

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>going to get to in the next episode, the coming

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 1>of Patriot Prayer, the story of Joey Gibson and the

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>bloodshed that has gone with it. But before we close

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>out today, I would like to talk with you a

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit about one of what I think is the

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>most promising attempts to kind of fix this problem that's

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 1>very deep problem in Oregon of racism and Oregon, of

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.240
<v Speaker 1>of you know, white supremacy in Oregon. The rural organizing projects.

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>You want to tell me a little bit about them. Absolutely, Well,

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 1>first I want to just close out our conversation about

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>absolutely with a lot of the viewpoints that people think

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that people in Portland have, and Portland's think that they

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 1>themselves have. They have let a lot of this just

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>go entirely under the radar, and I think it's because

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in Portland, particularly white people, and

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean just particularly I'm talking specifically about white people.

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>They are silent about this oppression. They think if they

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>put a Black Lives Matter sign in their yard that

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>they've done racial justice work. And that's just not how

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna solve all this. And so people need to

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 1>get involved in organizations. They need to educate themselves, they

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>need to read more about the history of Oregon, listen

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to podcasts like this, and uh change things. Yes, right,

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I did that just for you. I appreciate Rural Organizing Projects.

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>So I haven't personally organized with Rural Organizing Project, and

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I want to say that upfront because I really think

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that getting a representative from their organization would be wonderful.

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>But basically Rural Organizing Project focuses on underrepresented rural areas

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and Oregon that have been disenfranchised and ignored. Because a

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>big reason why we see this current uprising and problem

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 1>with these groups like the Oathkeepers. Three per centers in

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>groups like Patriot Prayer will have this kind of sentiment

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>in their mission statements that poor white people, especially poor

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 1>white men, are not being properly represented. They feel like

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>things are being taken away from them, and they feel

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.280
<v Speaker 1>like the right wing propaganda that they are getting radio

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>stations they listen to, podcasts they listen to, and websites

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that they go on frequently. They feel like they are

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>getting accurate information when they oftentimes are getting very tainted

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and biased information that is not telling the whole story

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>of why we have gotten to this point within our

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>hyper capitalistic system. And so Rural Organizing Project really tries

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to bring representation back to those areas. They try to

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:55.280
<v Speaker 1>organize with legislators to ensure that we are focusing energy

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and resources to make sure that people are not being

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>left out in cold quite literally, um, not being left

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>out um to just rely on these groups to take

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>them in, but to instead feel like they are part

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Oregon community and that they are valued and

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to be in a city to

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>get those resources. And through that they are able to

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>educate people on the dangers of these groups like oath keepers,

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 1>three percenters, etcetera. And so the work that they do

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>is so important because it is very true that we

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>cannot ignore rural areas in our communities, not just to

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.720
<v Speaker 1>fight racism, but because they are human beings that deserve

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>resources and deserve care, and rural areas have been hit

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>hard by this hyper capitalistic automation and um jobs have

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>been stripped away over the course of history, and so

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 1>people have been just seeing jobs go away, and instead

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 1>of being given the proper information of oh, the reason

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>why these jobs have changed is for these reasons, they

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>instead are told by somebody, Oh, you know why, It's

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>because of that immigrant, it's because of of women wanting

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to enter the workforce, It's because of this and that,

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and so then they hold tight to these traditional ideas

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of what it is to be an American, which were

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>never accurate to begin with if we really look at

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 1>our history. But that is how they're able to be radicalized.

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>So Rural Organizing Project takes that on and I am

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 1>very proud to have them in Oregon. And it's it's

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>my opinions as a journalist that low key and low

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>key because it hasn't been covered enough. One of the

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>most important stories going on in the country right now

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is the disintegration of society and rural parts of the

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.839
<v Speaker 1>United States. For example, cattle wrestling is the highest it's

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>been in more than a hundred years. Cattle wrestling, agricultural

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 1>theft is the highest it's been in quite a long time.

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>You are seeing rising rates of poverty and a lot

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of chunks of rural America. What you're saying is a

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>breakdown of social order in these places. And all of

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>these things are number one, major contributors to the growth

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of fascist movements, major contributors to the growth of racist movements,

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and on a human lovel just terrible for the people there.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And we most people listening to this probably live in city.

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It is important to pay attention to what happens out there.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>But because they're your fellow citizens, and because when their

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>lives get worse, your lives get worse. Absolutely the way

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>it works in a society. So listeners, if you've enjoyed

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 1>this episode, if you find this compelling, please donate some

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>bucks to the Rural Organizing Project absolutely look come up, yeah,

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>look come up online. Will include the link to the

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 1>website on ours So yeah, check that out, check out

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>all of our sources behind the bastards dot com. And uh,

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, open up your wallet strings if you have

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 1>a couple of extra bucks to give. And if you're

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon, volunteer, Yeah, volunteer with Rural Organizing Project absolutely uh.

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And if you're in Oregon in general, be more active.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some stuff going on, this stuff going on going on.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that will make it get better is

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<v Speaker 1>the people who aren't, i'll say charitably on the shitty

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<v Speaker 1>side of things, getting active or at least supporting the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are being active in the streets, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>really important too. So well, I'm working on a project

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<v Speaker 1>to help make that easier for people to have access

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<v Speaker 1>to what is needed in the area, and I'll send

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<v Speaker 1>that to you once I have something awesome. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>got anything else you wanna you wanna pitch blood Man

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<v Speaker 1>search for Meeting, Right yeah, Victor Frankel read Man, Search

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<v Speaker 1>for Meeting Victor Frankel, Holocaust survivor, right yes. Check it

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<v Speaker 1>all out. You can check out this podcast on our

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<v Speaker 1>website behind the Bastards. You can check out all the sources,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course tomorrow we will be talking about Patriot Prayer,

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Gibson, and the most dangerous street gang in America

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<v Speaker 1>that you probably haven't heard of, Patriot Prayer, So all

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<v Speaker 1>of that coming up next in the week. Have fun

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Check it out and you can find us

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram and Twitter at Bastard's pod and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I got for you. Go go do something

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<v Speaker 1>positive for the world. Goodbye, And I love statistically about

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<v Speaker 1>of you.