1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: all of history. And this week, of course, I'm in Portland, Oregon, 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: on the seventeenth, which is to us tomorrow but to 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: you in the past. There will be a rally from 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: a group called Patriot Prayer, who you will be hearing 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: a lot about in the next episode of this podcast, 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: with some members of Rose City antifas guests in the day. 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Of course, my guest is My name is Marie L. Eaton, 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: and I've lived in Portland for fourteen years and I 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: do many different things here, including quite a bit of activism, 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit of activism. My main effort is with 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: sexual and relationship violence prevention and victim advocacy, and I've 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: done activism around that for about a decade now, and 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I am a victim advocate both in the university setting 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: as well as independent organization setting. And you've also done 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: quite a bit of anti fascist action in the street 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: during which you you were photographed, uh and have become 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: sort of a figurehead of anti fa for CNN's reports 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: on the matter. So we're officially is officially an interview 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: with Antifa. That's the Fox News chiron that would go across. 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: So we're gonna be talking about Oregon, your lovely home state, 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: which is one of the most beautiful places in the world. 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: Uh and also way more racist historically, at least than 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: most people would give it credit for based on Portlandia 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: and currently. Yeah, it's not just macrobiotic burritos. And uh, 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something else. Hippie ash cars 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: that run on garbage. Garbage, Yeah, yeah, garbage cars. It's 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit deeper than that. So that's 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: what we're gonna be getting into the day today. The 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: bastard is the state of Oregon, which you know, Sorry, Oregon, 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I do love you, but let's get into it. So 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Peter Hardeman Burnett was born in eight no seven. He 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: started out as a self educated which I think in 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: eighteen o seven just means uneducated owner of a general 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: store in Clear Creek, Tennessee. As a young man, Peter 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Burnett came to suspect that an enslaved black person was 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: drinking from his stores whiskey barrel at night, so he 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: set up a booby trap, a rifle that was rigged 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: to fire when the windows shutter was opened. His trap 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: wound up killing the poor man when the guy tried 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: to break into his house. Burnett expressed remorse, but was 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: not charged with any crime because it was eighteen o 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: seven and that sort of thing wasn't really a crime 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: in Tennessee back then. In eighteen forty three, Burnett helped 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: organize and lead the first great wagon train to Oregon. 48 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: So he was one of the pioneers who first discovered 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: this territory Oregon Trail. You could say is a game 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: about Peter Burnett, murderer and uh soon to be politician, 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: because he was quickly elected to the provisional Legislature of Oregon. 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: Now this before Oregan was a state, so it was 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: still a territory, and he served as the territory of 54 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Oregon's first Supreme Court justice, chief Supreme Court Justice. So 55 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm guessing his qualifications were let a wagon train and 56 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: was a murderer. So in either like you're our judge, 57 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: you're you're in charge of this state right now. Um, 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: So eighteen forty four, Peter Burnett was instrumental in passing 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: what came to be known as the Burnett Lash Law. 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: You heard of the Burnett Lash Law from you? Okay, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: that we've talked this. Uh. I had not heard and 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: not remembered that. I'm sure I've heard it, but I 63 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: have not remembered that until you brought it up. It's 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: a little bit famous, um it. Uh. It's essentially stated 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: that all black people were required to leave Oregon County 66 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: under penalty of being whipped quote not less than twenty 67 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: or more than thirty nine stripes. Uh. This punishment was 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: to be repeated every six months until they left the state. 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: So one of the interesting things about Peter Burnett is 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that he's a classic example of someone winding up on 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: the right side of a historical issue for tremendously wrong reasons. 72 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: Because Peter Burnette was an outspoken abolitionist, not because he 73 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: believes slavery was wrong, but because he was just that 74 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: racist and he thought that if there was slavery, there 75 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: would be people who weren't white in the country. That 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: was his whole issue, which is there's a whole like 77 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: chunk of the abolitionist movement which were just people who 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: were too racist to own slaves. Um. It's kind of 79 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: a little historical angle. It gets left out a lot 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: of the time, but bizarre. So Burnett's law did include 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: a grace period three years for black women and two 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: years for black men, so we gave him some time 83 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: to get out of the state. Burnett also pushed against 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Chinese migration to Oregon. He tried to ban it um. 85 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: He later went on to become the first governor of 86 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: the state of California, so he's my state's first governor 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: as well. And of course his first action and governor 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: of the state of California was I'm pretty sure you 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: can guess he tried to ban all black people. Yeah, yeah, 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: what do you know? And then he tried to ban 91 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: all Chinese people from California. Peter Burnett was a consistent man, 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: if nothing else. Uh. And I got a picture of him, 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: and he looks like we'll put it up on the 94 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: site behind the bastards dot com. But he looks like 95 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: the guy you would cast to play a generical Look 96 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: at that four. That's a five head, Yes, that is 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: maybe even a seven. I mean it is. It just 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: keeps going and those little curls on the side the curls. 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go against them for the curls. 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's he seems like he might have. That's 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: the only redeeming quality. And I mean it's a weird cravat. 102 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: He looks like someone in a story who would like 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: take off his cravat and his head would fall off 104 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: in an old fable. Yeah, it doesn't look like a 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: very happy person. No, no, he does not. He looks 106 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: a little bit like the painting of the guy Vigo 107 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: and Ghostbusters to the bad guy who's trying to steal 108 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: that baby's body. Yeah, he's got that, he's got his 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: eyes are doing that sort of thing. So you really 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: owe it to yourself to look at a picture of 111 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Peter Burnett, a guy who looks like his goal in 112 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: life was to ban people who aren't white from multiple states. Yeah, 113 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: so Burnett's lash law did not last long, which is 114 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: kind of hard to say. Ten times fast law did not. 115 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to attend it fair enough. So 116 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: now the good news is that no black people are 117 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: recorded to have been lashed under. It apparently was not 118 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: used even in the eighteen forties in Oregon, and people 119 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: were like, this seems a little bit too racist. That said, 120 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: we're talking Oregon in eighteen forties. Who knows what happened, 121 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: especially rural areas where the rural law was even less 122 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: than it was in Portland. Whether or not it was used, 123 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the law reflected the values of the first white people 124 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: who settled in the territory of Oregon. They wanted their 125 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: state to be slave free, but because that was the 126 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: only way to ensure the state had no black people 127 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: at all, in eighteen forty eight, the Oregon Territorial government 128 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: passed a law that banned any quote negro or mulatto 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: from living in Oregon. In eighteen fifty, the Oregon Land 130 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: Donation Act gave quote whites and half breed Indians six 131 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: and fifty acres of land from the government. All other 132 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: people of color were banned from receiving land grants. So 133 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: Oregon was founded as a whites only state. It was 134 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: seen as this is going to be just white people 135 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: in this chunk. So that was the Pacific Northwest from 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: the get go, almost two hundred years ago. Yeah, and 137 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: there's this we'll be talking about. There's some people who 138 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: still think that ought to be the way things work. Yes, 139 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: So from the beginning, Oregon was a very rough place 140 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: to be anything but a very very white person. There 141 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: were some extraordinarily brave black pioneers who did try to 142 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: make a life out here. In eighteen fifty one, one 143 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: of them was Jacob Vanderpool. He was a former sailor. 144 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I think he came from the Caribbean Islands, but I 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: don't think we know exactly, But he came to own 146 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: a saloon, restaurant and boarding house in Oregon City. And 147 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: a white guy named Theophilius Magruder, which is a name, 148 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: quite a name in the name you would expect of 149 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy who's about to do or who did what 150 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: we're about to talk about him doing, reported him for 151 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: the crime of being black in Oregon Um and he 152 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: was given thirty days to leave the state. Now, Magruder 153 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: also owned a hotel and a bar in the same town, 154 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: so it's entirely possible that his motive was as financial 155 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: as it was racist, if not more so. But Jacob 156 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Vanderpool was forced to leave and forced to give up 157 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: his business. In eighteen fifty seven, Oregon wrote a state 158 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: constitution that enshrined its exclusion of black people into law. 159 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Quote no free negro or mulatto not residing in this 160 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: state at the time of the adoption of this Constitution 161 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: shall ever come reside or be within the state, or 162 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: hold any real estate, or make any contract, or maintain 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: any suit therein. And the Legislative Assembly shall provide by 164 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: penal laws for the removal by public officers of all 165 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: such free Negroes and Mulattos, and for their effectual exclusion 166 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: from the state, and from the punishment of persons who 167 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: shall bring them into the state, or employ them or 168 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: harbor them therein. Yeah, so that's the initial law that 169 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Oregon is founded under eighteen fifty seven. In eighteen fifty nine, 170 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Oregon Territory finally becomes a state. It was the only 171 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: state in the Union that was officially whites only. So 172 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: this is the only time that this happened. You know, 173 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: as much racism as there is in the history of 174 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: the United States, We're going the only state to try 175 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: to do this. So that's a fame. I guess. Texas 176 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: has the Alamo and which is also pretty racist as 177 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: kind of. I grew up in Texas and they always 178 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: kind of smoothed over why the Texans were rebelling against 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: Mexico a lot to do with the So they wanted 180 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: to own people in Mexico. Didn't like people owning people. Yeah, yeah, 181 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: they really hid that fat yeah always yeah. So, while 182 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: Oregon initially ratified the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: gave citizenship to all people born or naturalized in the 184 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: United States, including former slaves. This is why we have 185 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship. It was they were trying to figure out 186 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: a legal solution too. We've got all these people that 187 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: were forced to be here and now they've got to 188 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: be citizens. Yeah. So Oregon initially ratified the fourteenth Amendment, 189 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: but then it almost immediately rescinded the ratification of the amendment. 190 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: I guess people got angry. Oregon is also one of 191 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: only six states that refused to ratify the fifteenth Amendment, 192 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: which gave black men the right to vote. So fortunately 193 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: Oregon eventually got it shipped together enough to finally ratify 194 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: the fifteen Amendment. Do you want to guess when that happened. 195 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: I've known this before, but I can't think of it. 196 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: It was eight or nineteen fifty nine. Nineteen fifty nine, 197 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: they were like, all right, we'll ratify the amendment. That 198 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: let's black guys vote, just black guys. Uh. Yeah. It 199 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: did not reratify the fourteenth Amendment until nineteen seventy three. Yes, yeah, 200 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: I definitely remember that date. I think it's important when 201 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: we talk about like why this stuff still lingers, because 202 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: it didn't. It's not we're not talking about like, you know, 203 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: a hundred eighteen sixty five. Really isn't that long ago 204 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about generations because the last Civil War 205 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: widows pension just stop getting paid like three years ago. Absolutely. Um, 206 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: but we'll say that all the time, like, oh, racism 207 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: is done, slavery is over. Okay, interesting, let's talk about redlining. 208 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: Oh well that was a long time ago too, we 209 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: will be talking about Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, Oregon ratified 210 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: the amendment that gave birthright citizens ship to people fifteen 211 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: years before. I was not that long. Disco might have 212 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: been a thing. I don't know when that. I think 213 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: that may have been a thing. Yeah, it's about as 214 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: old as disco. It's about as old as disco. Although 215 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: that does feel that that does feel old now. Disco 216 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: actually feels older than white supremacy in orger Absolutely so. Um, 217 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: it's probably not hard to see why the state of 218 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Oregon has stayed so white even though after eighteen sixty 219 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: eight there was nothing legally the state authorities could do 220 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: to keep black people out of Oregon. So again, it's 221 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: not whites only after that point. By eighteen ninety there 222 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: were only around a thousand black people in the entire state. 223 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: By nineteen twenty, there were just two thousand. Now, the 224 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties would have been a rough time to be 225 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: a black person in Oregon because Oregon was the highest 226 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: per capita membership of the Ku Klux Klan of any 227 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: state in the Union. They marched in, Yeah, they gathered 228 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: in Portland proper all the time, thousands of them, thousands 229 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: of the thousands. They're Claverns, I think, Yeah, that's the name. 230 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: They're Grand Wizards, Burnings cross Burns Center in the city. Yeah, 231 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I prefer to it's easier to focus on the ridiculous names. 232 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was cross burnings and murders and yeah, yeah, 233 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: we have to talk about that now, No, I mean 234 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: we can. That's what we're here for, Yeah, that is 235 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: what we're here. So Democrat Walter Pierce was elected governor 236 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty two after receiving the enthusiastic endorsement of 237 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: the Oregon Ku Klux Klan. In fact, it may have 238 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: been why he won, According to an article in The 239 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Guardian quote photos in the local papers show the Portland 240 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Chief of Police, sheriff, District Attorney, U s Attorney, and 241 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: mayor posing with klansmen, accompanied by an article saying them 242 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: in we're taking advice from the clan. So again, really 243 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: not weird that it took until the seventies to ratify 244 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: the fourteenth raified it. Yeah, So World War two is 245 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: when things really started to change demographically in Oregon. This 246 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: was the first time that a large number of black 247 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: people began to move to the state. And it was 248 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: because America was in this whole war thing, and we 249 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: need to build a shipload of boats. And if there's 250 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: one thing Portland's great at, it's being a place to 251 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: build a shipload of boats. You guys, we got our boats. 252 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: If I ever need to build a navy, this is 253 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the city. I'm gonna build that navy and go for it. Yeah, 254 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: we're here. I'm gonna crowdfunded like a like a like 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: a go fundmate, but instead of for medical bills, for 256 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: like a battleship or three. What are you going to 257 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: use it for? I don't know. You'll sail around like 258 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: what Elron Hubbard did, just sail around for eight or 259 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: nine years. Podcasting, podcasting, podcast boat, a podcast boat, a podcast, 260 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: cult boats podcast. I was going to say, uss past us, 261 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: that's more catchy than mine, exactly catchy than mine. I'm 262 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: not the namer in this well, in fairness, I'm not 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the name or either somebody else figured that out there. No, 264 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: I I feel your pain. So, by the end of 265 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: World War two, more than black people had moved to Oregon. 266 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Many of them resided in Vanport, a small city between 267 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: Portland and Vancouver, Washington, calling it a city at first 268 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: at least, yeah, small town, small town it was. Most 269 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: of it was temporary housing that was built because they 270 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: had so many workers coming in and they needed the 271 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: ability to host them in. Portland was a very tiny 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: city at this point. Still, here's how the Smithsonian described 273 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: the creation of Vanport quote completed in just a hundred 274 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and ten days. The town, comprised of ten thousand, four 275 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: fourteen apartments and homes, was mostly a slipshod combination of 276 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: wooden blocks and fiber board walls built on marshaland between 277 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: the Columbia Slough and the Columbia River. Vanport was physically 278 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: segregated from Portland and kept dry only by a system 279 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: of dikes that held back the flow of the Columbia River. 280 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: So a little bit of foreshadowing there. This is built 281 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: and basically the worst location you could build a town 282 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: to keep it dry. Years later, Manly Maven, who grew 283 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: up in Vanport, would describe it this way. Quote the 284 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: psychological effective living on the bottom of a relatively small 285 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: area dyked on all sides to a height of fifteen 286 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: to twenty five ft was vaguely disturbing. It was almost 287 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: impossible to get a view of the horizon from anywhere 288 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: in Vanport, at least on the ground during the lower 289 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: level apartments, and it was even difficult from upper levels, 290 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: which I can't really imagine this. It sounds like almost 291 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: something you'd see in like a dystopian movie, where these 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: people just have these dikes rising like they're walled in 293 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: on all sides. And this is the hub of you know, 294 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: the black community in Portland. You know for the first 295 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: time that it really has any size at all. Um So, yeah, 296 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: the idea was that once folks had settled into Vanport 297 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: and you know, worked at their jobs long enough and 298 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: earn some cash, they would be able to rent your 299 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: by homes elsewhere. It was not intended to be a 300 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,239 Speaker 1: permanent development, but discriminatory housing policy made it nearly impossible 301 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: for black people to uh, you know, live anywhere else 302 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: in the city. Um So, once the war ended, the 303 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Mayor of Portland wrote a newspaper article telling the black 304 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: people of Vanport that they were no longer welcome in 305 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: the state. Uh. This is the Mayor of Portland has 306 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: basically put up a letter saying like, Okay, thank you 307 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: for building the boats. You can go. You can go now. Yeah. 308 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: The housing authority discussed tearing the town down. A nineteen 309 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: forty seven Oregon Journal article described local attitudes to Vanport 310 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: this way, too many Oregonians, Vanport has been undesirable because 311 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: it is supposed to have a large colored population. Of 312 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: the some twenty three thou inhabitants, only slightly over four 313 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: thousander colored residents. True, this is a high percentage per 314 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: capita compared to other Northwestern cities, but as one resident 315 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: puts it, the colored people have to live somewhere, and 316 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: whether the Northwesterners lie it or not, they're here to stay. 317 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to dig into in terms 318 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: of the phrasing. They're both that this this journalist rather 319 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: than being like kind of confronting the racism, is like, well, 320 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: they're not entirely accurate. It's only a quarter color. And 321 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: then also, yeah, whether whether the Northwesterners like it or not, 322 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: they are here to stay. That's the attitude in nineteen seven. 323 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: So today you know Vanport as Delta park. Um. That's 324 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: a sort of the land that it's that's on now 325 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: because very little of Vanport City still remains um. In 326 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: ninety eight, it started raining very hard on Memorial Day, 327 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: Residents of Vanport woke up to driving rain. In this 328 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: letter from the Housing Authority of Portland, the HP, Remember 329 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: dikes are safe at present. You will be warned if necessary, 330 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: you will have time to leave. Don't get excited. I 331 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: do feel like if the government's sending you all caps 332 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: notes that they don't get excited, she'd probably get excited. 333 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: To get pretty excited. Should get pretty side it, I mean. 334 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: And what happened next is uh horrendous, Yeah, horrendous and 335 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: very predictable. The dikes did not hold. A hole opened 336 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: up shortly after four pm, and roughly one day Vanport, 337 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Oregon's second largest city at the time, was completely wiped 338 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: out by floodwaters. Eighteen thousand, five hundred people, sixty three 339 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: hundred of whom were black, were displaced. Hundreds died, but 340 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: we don't know how many, because it really seems like 341 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: the HP may have secretly disposed of hundreds of corpses um. 342 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: Even even with the predictability that you were mentioning, people 343 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: often will trust authority figures, and even if it seems 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: predictable in hindsight, at the time, it probably didn't. They 345 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: probably really trusted that that they were safe. Oh yeah, 346 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: and I was sorry. I was not trying to say 347 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: that people bandports should have predicted it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 348 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: The city shaded on something. They didn't give a ship 349 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: with this place that was basically built underwater with the 350 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: water held in by walls, and then the walls start 351 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: getting flooded with water. Absolutely. Um, there's a rumor that 352 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: four fifty seven dead people were shipped to Japan for 353 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: some reason. There's a bunch of weird rumors around what 354 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: that's very god Yeah, it's it's it's kind of hard 355 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: to dig into. I heard they recover ups. I hadn't 356 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: heard that. It seems like a reasonable guests would be 357 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: somewhere between four and SI. But it's it's very hard 358 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, let me see that cycle repeating itself 359 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: with Puerto Rico. Yeah, where it's it's weird how things 360 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: rhyme all of the time in history. Ye all, the 361 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: speaking of rhyming, it's time for an ad break. That 362 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: was a bad plot. But do you have any products 363 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: and or services you'd like to plug before we get 364 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: to the ones that paid us? Uh? So it gets 365 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: to just kind of be anything anything you want. I 366 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: usually pick random objects on the table because I just 367 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: love advertising. All Right, I'm going to say that everyone 368 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: should read Man Search for Meaning by Victor frankpl Oh. 369 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: That is much more meaningful than the plug. I was 370 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: going to go, so, yeah, read Man Search for Ye well, 371 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: I was going Vino daily moisturizing lotion. Only daily moisturizing 372 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: lotion currently on this table of it. Let's uh, let's 373 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: let's move over to the products indoor services that actually 374 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: paid us for. We're back. We're back back, and we're 375 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: talking about racism Oregon. Now for something completely different. Well, 376 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: I mean compared to your sponsors. Oh, yes, very different, 377 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: because none of our sponsors support racism in Oregon for sure. Yeah, 378 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: pretty sure. I mean, like they make belts like Croup six. 379 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: I don't see how a belt could be racist. Depends 380 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: on where they're made. Should I be saying this? Should 381 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: I be talking about consumerism under capitalism? Well, yes, I 382 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: mean we do. It's one of those things we uh, 383 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: this is the ocean that we live in. So you 384 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: can't do anything but swim, but you can't try to 385 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: pick products that you feel don't add to the problems 386 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: as long as you're not sponsored by Amazon. We're not 387 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: sponsored by Amazon, and I do believe that it's a 388 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: general good to keep people's pants up. Yeah, let's get 389 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: back into us. Continue. So there's a lot more to 390 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: say in terms of Portland's history being terrible to the 391 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: black people who lived there. There was the time when 392 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: voters in nineteen fifty six approved the construction of an 393 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: arena that necessitated the destruction of four hundred and seventy 394 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: six films, half of which were black people's homes, And 395 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: of course black people made up like less than two 396 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: percent of the city at this point, so we're not 397 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: talking about a proportional sort of Yeah, and the expressway 398 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm about to say. Well, actually, no, 399 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: I was about to go into a completely different time 400 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: that they did that. There's yeah, there was the time 401 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: also in fifty six when the city of Portland used 402 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: federal funds to expand a local hospital by bulldoz in 403 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: seventy six acres black owned homes and businesses at the 404 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: junction of North Williams Avenue and Russell Street, which at 405 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: that point was considered Portland's black main street, which if 406 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm keeping track, is at least the third black main 407 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: street in a city in the United States that was destroyed. 408 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Although since Portland didn't bomb their's, which is what happened 409 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: in a couple of other states, I guess it's yeah, 410 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: better than the air Force, I suppose. Yeah, I mean 411 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: it's not it's hard to tell better from worse. Slow 412 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: deprivation is not always Yeah, I was reaching for a 413 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: little bit of levity in a situation that doesn't deserve it. 414 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: So tell us about this expressway, which I did not 415 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: include it here. Yeah, So Anyone who's in Portland knows 416 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. But for people outside, there 417 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: is this very long freeway project that goes past and 418 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: around the Memorial Coliseum, which you just mentioned that was 419 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: built the arena, and this expressway was initially going to 420 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: be in the west portion of Portland. Anyone who knows 421 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: Portland knows that the will Lambite River bisects east from west, 422 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: and so it was initially going to be on the 423 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: other side of the river. But then people over there 424 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: were saying, oh no, like, we don't want that over here. 425 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: And it was you know, predominantly white people who were 426 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: saying that, and so they decided, yeah, exactly, and nimby, nimby, 427 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: and so instead got placed right wrapped around right next 428 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: to the Memorial Coliseum and resulted in the destruction of many, many, 429 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: many many more homes and displaced people there. So it 430 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: just goes straight around northeast Portland and up north. But 431 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess most of those homes were upper middle class, 432 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, Caucasian, right, because that's most of that part 433 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: of port Let me check hold on a second, No, really, yeah, 434 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: are you surprised, racist? Racist? Oh my gosh, that doesn't 435 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: sound like we're about to continue talking about Oh wait, 436 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: I thought we were back to the sponsors. We're back 437 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: to belts. No, we're not talking about we're not talking 438 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: to milds. So yeah. Really kicking off in the nineties, 439 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties was a process called redlining. This is 440 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: basically banks colluding to refuse mortgage loans to qualify black applicants. 441 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Would be the quick way to sort of sum up 442 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: both of that process. An investigation published by The Oregony 443 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety journalism found that Portland banks were granting 444 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: loans to black Oregonians at roughly one tenth the rate 445 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: they were granting them to white people, um and one 446 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: tenth the rate that they were supposed to be granting them. 447 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, it's literal red lines 448 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: drawn on a map, very specifically placed. And that's something 449 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people are not aware 450 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: of that it is. It really refers to red lines 451 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: that were written on maps. Yeah, and they're resentally saying 452 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: we want to keep black people out of its neighborhoods, 453 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: we want to allow them to buy houses here. And 454 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: it's not like that we're really granting a lot of 455 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: loans to the black neighborhoods either, but like, yeah, they 456 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: were basically trying to hymn them in. It was kind 457 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: of like the zoning version of Kettling a little bit. Yeah. 458 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: So there were also a series of police shootings of 459 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: black men in the nineteen seventies and Portland's and in 460 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, and investigation revealed that the local Portland 461 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: police had been running over possums and leaving the corpses 462 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: in front of black owned restaurants, which don't even know 463 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: what to say. It's a thing that happened. So given 464 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: all of that, it's probably not much of a surprise 465 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: to listeners that for much of the nineteen eighties and 466 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, Portland became known in the punk community as 467 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: a haven for neo Nazi skinheads. Racist skins would be 468 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: I think the I listened to a lot of that 469 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: kind of punk music. Yeah, but yeah, there's a whole 470 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: lingo here. I saw the movie Green Room. It's a 471 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: fine film about Nazi skins in Oregon. Scary, scary. I 472 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: left feeling all sorts of feels. That's how you're supposed 473 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: to feel that's how you're supposed to feel real good racist. Yeah. 474 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: That was quite close to home. Yeah, yeah, but I 475 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: was going to say the possum imagery stayed really would still. 476 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: You would still see people refer to possums in coded 477 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: language even through the nineteen eighties, from racist skinheads. They 478 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: would say keep the possums out. Yeah, it was still utilized. 479 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: I did not have that. I just need that the 480 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: police were doing this, have no idea. I thought they 481 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: just like being dix and there were a lot of 482 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: dead possums in Portland. But there's a racial element to 483 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: the tape. Fascinating. Yeah, it was still used as a 484 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: symbol of terror and racism. Wow, So from the cops 485 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: to the punks. That's not usually how that goes. I 486 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: know one thing about I'm not supposed to talk to 487 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: cosh but yeah, yeah, but these are the these are 488 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: the Nazi skinheadpots. They like to win. The cops were 489 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: being racist. Yeah that's the thing they want cops doing. Yeah. 490 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: So on about a month after I was born, well 491 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: lamb It Weekly published Young Nazis Portland's New Breed of 492 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: Racists about the growing population of young fascists in the city. 493 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: Reporter Jim Retten interviewed several of these guys and their 494 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Southeast Portland apartment and credit words due this was not 495 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: like the New York Times profile and the Nazi next 496 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: door thing like it was an important that was covering it. 497 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: He seems to have done it a good job of 498 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: doing it, at least from what I've read. He asked 499 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: them about an assault on a guy named Sam Chin, 500 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: a twenty seven year old Portland resid and originally from Singapore. 501 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: Three skinheads had confronted Chin's family, beat up and stomped 502 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: on him, and read and brought this up to the Nazis. 503 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a quote from the article. Although they 504 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: denounced the media's focus on violence, they are not unwilling 505 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: to completely reject it. While they say the assault on 506 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Chin was not representative of their beliefs, they repeatedly stressed 507 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: that they are willing to fight for their cause. We 508 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't beat up someone for no reason at all, says Kay, 509 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: a tall male with a tattoo of a heavily booted 510 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: skinhead on his left bicep. But we're ready to defend ourselves. 511 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: Which I picked that quote because you can put those 512 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: words in the mouth of patriot prayers. Joey Gibson. Absolutely, 513 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: who's the guy running the rallies that have been fights recently. 514 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: That's the same sort of sentiment that comes from oath keepers, 515 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: three percenters, all of them. Yeah. So next we're going 516 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: to talk about what happened on November when Muata Sarra, 517 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old Ethiopian immigrant student at PSU 518 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: and a father of one, was dropped off in the 519 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: parking lot of his apartment complex by some friends. He 520 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: was about to head into his apartment when a vehicle 521 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: holding three racist skinheads and their girlfriends pulled up. And 522 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: these guys have been drinking and handing out racist flyers 523 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: from an organization called White Area and Resistance. Get a 524 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: little bit more into that. A second one of the 525 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: skins who I was originally going to use names because 526 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: I usually do, but I do like your attitude of 527 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: not giving these guys the benefit of their names. So 528 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: I'm not going to name the skinheads. Yeah, but anyone 529 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: who's curious can get the book. A hundred Little Hitlers. 530 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: That's a good title. Yeah, that's a real good title. 531 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: And so I'm all for community education learning about people. 532 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: But there is a distinction of putting out the names 533 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: and repeating them out loud over and over and over again, 534 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: and forgetting the names of victims and heroes who have 535 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: stepped in. Yeah, I agree, that's that's that's yeah, so Chips, Sorry, 536 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: the things you can we'll bleep out. Yeah, we'll bleep 537 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: that out. The bleep you heard was a name that 538 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: we're not going to say. One of these skins lived 539 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: in the same block of apartments all and I think 540 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: one of the scripts I heard from a police officer 541 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: was they could have strung tin cans on strings and 542 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: talk to each other. They lived that close together. So yeah, 543 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: the Nazis had been drinking heavily and putting up white 544 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: supremacist posters around town. They shouted at Sara and his friends, 545 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: and then while their girlfriends shouted for them to kill him, 546 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: the Nazis jumped Mulaghetta Sarat. One of them hit Mulaghetta 547 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: in the back of the head, I believe with a 548 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: baseball bat, and there was no ball er mit in 549 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: the car. They did not have that for baseball. No, 550 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: they had it for me for Nazi reasons. The reason 551 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: the Nazis carry based bats and he had the initials 552 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: of the organization carved into the back. Really, so he 553 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: had war carved in them. I don't think he had war. 554 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: I think it was their own group, because they had 555 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: their own Yeah. So this was a batmant for doing 556 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: exactly what he did with committing violent assault and in 557 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: this case, murder, because they continued to hit mulu Getta 558 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: when he fell to the ground, and they also continued 559 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: to stomp on him with steel toed boots. He died 560 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: that night from blood force trauma. So they went to prison. Um. 561 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: At the time, a big deal was made about the 562 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: fact that one of them, the kid with the bat, 563 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: was the frontman of a popular local band and also 564 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: an actor who had worked with Gus Van Sant. Sort 565 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: of a bunch of articles they were talking about this 566 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: talented young actor and the terrible thing. It's like, well, 567 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: he murdered a guy, doesn't matter that he was good 568 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: at acting, right about that? And they still do that too. Yeah. Yeah, 569 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it's not hard to the 570 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: way that perpetrators of various crimes depending on their race 571 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: makes a big difference in the headline. Yeah, you see 572 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: it every time there's a marked difference of what happens 573 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: when one of these people commits a crime in the 574 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: way that their report on them, or even if you 575 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: are a young black boy like Tamir Rice a child 576 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: and people are saying, oh, he was a big scary, 577 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: he was manlike, it's horrifying yea. And yet then we 578 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: see these white men committing crimes who actually did something 579 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: and the way that they're painting and it is absolutely ridiculous. Well, 580 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: and there's really old history to that. I remember reading. 581 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: We did an episode where we talked about through the U. S. 582 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: Occupation of the Philippines, and there was an island that 583 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: the there's a massacre in the U. S. Military base 584 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: where a bunch of US soldiers got killed, and then 585 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: in response, they massacred. And the language they used was 586 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: they killed all of the men over ten, which you're 587 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: not a man at eleven, not a man at twelve, 588 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: not a man at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen. 589 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: But like it doesn't matter. I mean, massacring is wrong, 590 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: but like just the language used any man over ten 591 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: is like, I feel like you're not a man till twenty. 592 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: But that's just my view. I think it usually takes 593 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: more like maybe before I'll let you know when I 594 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: hit that point. I'm at thirty right now, and I 595 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: don't feel all the way there now. Mulgato Sura's murder 596 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: led to a legal case against Tom Metzker, a shriveled 597 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: little testicle of a man and the founder of White 598 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: areaan Resistance or War. You can see a documentary of 599 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: him made after this point with Louis Threw where he 600 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: spends several days with him, and you get the feeling 601 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: that he's a ridiculous kind And I think this is 602 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: a problem. This caused a problem because I think that 603 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these people were covered that way as 604 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: sort of like, look at this ridiculous. He's racist, and 605 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: he's the things he says are terrible, but he's really 606 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: just a crazy old thing. He's kind of cute. Look 607 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: at this little guy. Yet, Now, what Tom had been 608 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: doing is sending his son up to Portland and sending 609 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: a significant amount of written propaganda up there that was 610 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: not just propaganda on you know, not national socialism or whatever, 611 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: but was specifically advocating violence and talking about ways to 612 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: commit violence. I believe, you know, a little bit more 613 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: about this than I do. Yeah, so War his white 614 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Arian resistance group had these newspapers they would give out 615 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: that we're overtly, horrifyingly racist, and the cartoons that they 616 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: would have on the covers were just absolutely disgusting. And 617 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: they would send up stacks to Portland for these young 618 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: groups of men who previously, we're not organized. They were 619 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: just going around and they would get drunk and they 620 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: would talk about being arian and racism and all that. 621 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: Not to say they shouldn't have been taken seriously at all, 622 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: but they weren't organized at that point. And it wasn't 623 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: until Tom Medsker and his son stepped in that they 624 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: began to have tools. They began to have these newspapers, flyers, 625 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: they would pass out fake welfare applications that they would 626 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: pass out to women of color and humiliate them and 627 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: attempt to humiliate them. And it wasn't until that point 628 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: that they actually had these tools and these means of 629 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: propaganda to pass out that they began to feel organized. 630 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: And this is where we're get into something that's really 631 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: interesting me. It's a little bit difficult to talk about. 632 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the concept of the fewer principle. UM. 633 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard specifically about it, but I 634 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: imagine it has to do with having a leader to 635 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: organize you. That's an aspect of it. It was the idea, 636 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: this was like the central idea behind the original nazis 637 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: an individual can embody and electrify at people and bring 638 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: them up and sort of use them as a tool 639 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: almost that and that that desirable and good. And obviously 640 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: that's silly when you start talking about like nations, but 641 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: there's a little to it when you talk about something 642 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: like you've got these disaffected kids in Portland who have 643 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: no sort of organizing principle, and a guy like Tom 644 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: Metzger who has just enough charisma, just enough vision to 645 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: get them united behind a purpose, and then they become dangerous. 646 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: And I think that you're seeing something similar with a 647 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: guy like Joey Gibson, who has I watched his speech, 648 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: is a good amount of personal charisma. He's good at speaking, 649 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: he's good at organizing. UM. And these people, the people 650 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: who show up these patriot prayer rallies, just like the 651 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: people who murdered Mulugeta Sara, we're doing shitty, racist things 652 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: in their personal lives beforehand, but it took a leader 653 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: coming in and then they're a cohesive Yeah. Absolutely, So 654 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: I think that's where it's important to understand that concept 655 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: because that do you think it embodies something? Not that 656 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: like the Nazi said that this was how everything worked. 657 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's how everything work, but I think 658 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: it's how Nazis work across time, and whether or not 659 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: they call themselves Nazis or patriots or whatever, it's howies were. 660 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: Um so digression um yeah. Even though Tom Metzger had 661 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: not specifically ordered the Skinheads to commit that particular murder, 662 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: he was seen as having vicarious liability for indoctrinated kids 663 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: with racist ideology, publishing information on how to commit violent crimes, 664 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: and sending people up to talk to them. So he 665 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: was ordered to pay like twelve and a half million 666 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: dollars in damages. Yeah, and he wound up with losing 667 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: complately bankrupted him. He had to sell his house. He 668 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: lost his house. Yeah. I had to pay amounts every 669 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: single months. Yeah up to today, at age like eighties something. 670 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: And they sold his house to a Hispanic family. Yes 671 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: they did they or no, the I think it was 672 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: it was Sara's family right who, No, it was not. 673 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: Was it the A C l U who got it? 674 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: Or Southern Poverty Law Centered was the one to sue them, 675 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: if that's what you're asking. Yeah, And the neighbors were 676 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: extremely happy to see the new family move in. They 677 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: didn't like Tom Metzker really because gosh, what a likable 678 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: guy he was. He seemed like he had a lot 679 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: on the ball. Sure he's a bad neighbor, you're saying, Yes, 680 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: I would imagine weird how nazis. Yeah, it's like neighbors 681 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: don't like when a bunch of skinheads come in and 682 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: out of somebody's own Yeah, okay, keep that in mind. Yeah. 683 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: You know what else I'll keep in mind is these 684 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: products and services that are about to support our show, 685 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: and we're back, and we're back. You didn't hear it 686 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: because what we just said will not be in the thing. 687 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: But we just did a great plug for Microsoft that 688 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: we're not going to repeat. No, absolutely not, you know, 689 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: in our hearts, in our hearts. So let's get back 690 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: into racism in Oregon. Soura Is murdered. His funeral is 691 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: obviously a very big deal, very emotional time. A lot 692 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: of activists come out for it, and there are rumors 693 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: that before the funeral that three Nazi skinheads might show 694 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: up to protest. This did not wind up happening, but 695 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: in spite of the increased visibility of the city hate problem, 696 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Portland's racist skinhead problem only got worse during the nineteen nineties. 697 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: In a two thousand seventeen article for The Guardian, reporter 698 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: Jason Wilson quote cr And Malloy, a union organizer and 699 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: anti fascist activist who was active during this period. In 700 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: the nineteen there were multiple gangs and three hundred Nazis 701 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: in a city of three hundred thousand. The anti racist 702 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: youth were intimidated and isolated. The Nazis were just openly 703 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: hanging out on the streets down in a Pioneer Courthouse Square. 704 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: They would just gather and sit around, and people knew 705 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: to avoid that entire block. Yeah, and then there's talk, 706 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: especially talk from racists about the quote unquote no go 707 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: zones in places like London rear Paris, which do not exist, 708 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of reporting on establishing that they're not real. 709 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: There were no go zones in Portland for people of 710 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: color in this period of time. Pioneer Square would have 711 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: been one of them. Siern malloy added, quote, it's not 712 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: hyperbolic to call it a war. There was intense fighting. 713 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: So again, the street fighting that we're seeing right now 714 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: in Oregon, that might happen literally the day after we 715 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: record this podcast is nothing new. But fighting between racist 716 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: and anti racist skinheads in Portland earned it the nickname 717 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: Skinhead City during the nineteen nineties, which is a cool nickname. 718 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: Beats it does beat Portlandia. Yeah, yeah, you guys are 719 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: going to be carrying that right. I'm sorry what people 720 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: out from l A keep doing. The nice cities in 721 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: the Northwest. They destroyed Bend too. But I will say 722 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: about Skinhead City, it's at least accurate, which is a 723 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: heavy thing to say. But the whole Portlandia most you know, 724 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: there's some truth to that show, But that show is 725 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: for getting a very large portion of our population and culture. 726 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: Part of what I wonder, depending on how all of 727 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 1: this increased political violence goes, is how twenty or thirty years, 728 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: if that show will just make no sense to people, 729 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: I hope. So, yeah, well not in that way, oh ye, 730 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: well yeah, if you're if you're going Okay, I see 731 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I was 732 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: just hoping that we'll win this fight against Joey Gibson 733 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: and then first Culture will actually be celebrated for the 734 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: first time in Portland. Yeah. That would be nice. That 735 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: would be nice. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Yes. So. Um. Now, 736 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: the Nazi skins who infested Portland and who degree still 737 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: invests both Portland and Oregon were obsessed with an idea 738 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: that still holds much traction among the fascist right, the 739 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: Northwest Imperative. The basic reasoning behind the Northwest Imperative is that, 740 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: since Oregon is already super white and filled with fascists, 741 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: why not try and turn it into a white ethno state. Um. 742 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: From a Nazi point of view, the last two hundred 743 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: years of Oregon history have already done a really good 744 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: job of laying the groundwork for this. Oregon is currently 745 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: the whitest state, in Portland the whitest big city in 746 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah. There is today an organization called 747 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: the Northwest Front dedicated to making the dream of the 748 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: Northwest Imperative a reality. The about section of their website 749 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: sums them up this way. Quote the Northwest Front is 750 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: a political organization of Arian men and women in the 751 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: United States and Canada of all ages and social backgrounds, 752 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: who recognize that an independent and sovereign white nation in 753 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest is the only possibility for the survival 754 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: of the white race on this continent. So that's the rhetoric, 755 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 1: that's what they're angling for. The Southern Poverty Law Center 756 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: identifies eighteen different hate groups in the state of Oregon. 757 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: An outside of explicit hate groups, Oregon still has a 758 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: lot of its old problems with hate. A two thousand 759 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: eleven audit found that six of landlords and leasing agents 760 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: in the city discriminated against black and Latino renters, giving 761 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: them higher rents, forcing them to pay larger deposits, and 762 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: levying additional fees against absolutely that's nuts. And with gentrification 763 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: as well, the neighborhoods that have been most chicken shaken, chicken, chicken, chicken, 764 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: most chicken they got shipped real good yes by gentrification 765 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: in uh recent times are the same neighborhoods like I'll 766 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: buy a neighborhood that we have seen a lot of 767 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: the history you've talked about of pushing people of color 768 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: to that center are now gentrified with huge condos and 769 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: entirely unrecognizable. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, and this is 770 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: the I mean, you can trace some of that back 771 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: to Portland, to be honest. So black students in Portland 772 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: are suspended and expelled at a rate four to five 773 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: times higher than that of their white peers. And this 774 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: brings us more or less to the modern era where 775 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: we are today. Portland is a city with a lot 776 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: of left wing political activism now and definite reputation is 777 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: being quote woke. It's seen as a hippie to be 778 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,479 Speaker 1: sort of place. But you know, we've as we've covered, 779 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: there's a very long history of discrimination and a very 780 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: long history of racist organizing. Over the last two years, 781 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: though Oregon has entered what maybe a different era. The 782 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: fighting in the streets is bigger and bloodier than it 783 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: has ever been before. The group behind it, Patriot Prayer 784 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent, the Proud Boys, is harder 785 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: to place and harder to get the mainstream to condemn 786 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: than a man like Tom Metzger and an organization like 787 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: White Arian Existance. Newspapers know what to do when you 788 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: call yourself white or Area Resistance your Patriot Prayer, you're 789 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: covered an American flag, you say you don't support hate, 790 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: or if you're the Proud Boys and you're punching each 791 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: other in naming cereals like it's harder for especially casual Yeah. Yeah, 792 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: So that's where we are now, and that's what we're 793 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: going to get to in the next episode, the coming 794 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: of Patriot Prayer, the story of Joey Gibson and the 795 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: bloodshed that has gone with it. But before we close 796 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: out today, I would like to talk with you a 797 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: little bit about one of what I think is the 798 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: most promising attempts to kind of fix this problem that's 799 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 1: very deep problem in Oregon of racism and Oregon, of 800 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 1: of you know, white supremacy in Oregon. The rural organizing projects. 801 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: You want to tell me a little bit about them. Absolutely, Well, 802 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: first I want to just close out our conversation about 803 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 1: absolutely with a lot of the viewpoints that people think 804 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: that people in Portland have, and Portland's think that they 805 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: themselves have. They have let a lot of this just 806 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: go entirely under the radar, and I think it's because 807 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: a lot of people in Portland, particularly white people, and 808 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: I don't mean just particularly I'm talking specifically about white people. 809 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: They are silent about this oppression. They think if they 810 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: put a Black Lives Matter sign in their yard that 811 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: they've done racial justice work. And that's just not how 812 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna solve all this. And so people need to 813 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: get involved in organizations. They need to educate themselves, they 814 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: need to read more about the history of Oregon, listen 815 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: to podcasts like this, and uh change things. Yes, right, 816 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: I did that just for you. I appreciate Rural Organizing Projects. 817 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: So I haven't personally organized with Rural Organizing Project, and 818 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: I want to say that upfront because I really think 819 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: that getting a representative from their organization would be wonderful. 820 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: But basically Rural Organizing Project focuses on underrepresented rural areas 821 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: and Oregon that have been disenfranchised and ignored. Because a 822 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: big reason why we see this current uprising and problem 823 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: with these groups like the Oathkeepers. Three per centers in 824 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: groups like Patriot Prayer will have this kind of sentiment 825 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: in their mission statements that poor white people, especially poor 826 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: white men, are not being properly represented. They feel like 827 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: things are being taken away from them, and they feel 828 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: like the right wing propaganda that they are getting radio 829 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: stations they listen to, podcasts they listen to, and websites 830 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: that they go on frequently. They feel like they are 831 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: getting accurate information when they oftentimes are getting very tainted 832 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: and biased information that is not telling the whole story 833 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: of why we have gotten to this point within our 834 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: hyper capitalistic system. And so Rural Organizing Project really tries 835 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: to bring representation back to those areas. They try to 836 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 1: organize with legislators to ensure that we are focusing energy 837 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: and resources to make sure that people are not being 838 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: left out in cold quite literally, um, not being left 839 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: out um to just rely on these groups to take 840 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: them in, but to instead feel like they are part 841 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: of the Oregon community and that they are valued and 842 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: that you don't have to be in a city to 843 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: get those resources. And through that they are able to 844 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: educate people on the dangers of these groups like oath keepers, 845 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: three percenters, etcetera. And so the work that they do 846 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: is so important because it is very true that we 847 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: cannot ignore rural areas in our communities, not just to 848 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: fight racism, but because they are human beings that deserve 849 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: resources and deserve care, and rural areas have been hit 850 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: hard by this hyper capitalistic automation and um jobs have 851 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: been stripped away over the course of history, and so 852 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: people have been just seeing jobs go away, and instead 853 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: of being given the proper information of oh, the reason 854 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: why these jobs have changed is for these reasons, they 855 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: instead are told by somebody, Oh, you know why, It's 856 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: because of that immigrant, it's because of of women wanting 857 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: to enter the workforce, It's because of this and that, 858 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: and so then they hold tight to these traditional ideas 859 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: of what it is to be an American, which were 860 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: never accurate to begin with if we really look at 861 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: our history. But that is how they're able to be radicalized. 862 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: So Rural Organizing Project takes that on and I am 863 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: very proud to have them in Oregon. And it's it's 864 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: my opinions as a journalist that low key and low 865 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: key because it hasn't been covered enough. One of the 866 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: most important stories going on in the country right now 867 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: is the disintegration of society and rural parts of the 868 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: United States. For example, cattle wrestling is the highest it's 869 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: been in more than a hundred years. Cattle wrestling, agricultural 870 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: theft is the highest it's been in quite a long time. 871 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: You are seeing rising rates of poverty and a lot 872 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: of chunks of rural America. What you're saying is a 873 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: breakdown of social order in these places. And all of 874 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: these things are number one, major contributors to the growth 875 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: of fascist movements, major contributors to the growth of racist movements, 876 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: and on a human lovel just terrible for the people there. 877 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: And we most people listening to this probably live in city. 878 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: It is important to pay attention to what happens out there. 879 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: But because they're your fellow citizens, and because when their 880 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: lives get worse, your lives get worse. Absolutely the way 881 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: it works in a society. So listeners, if you've enjoyed 882 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: this episode, if you find this compelling, please donate some 883 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: bucks to the Rural Organizing Project absolutely look come up, yeah, 884 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: look come up online. Will include the link to the 885 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: website on ours So yeah, check that out, check out 886 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: all of our sources behind the bastards dot com. And uh, 887 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: you know, open up your wallet strings if you have 888 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: a couple of extra bucks to give. And if you're 889 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: in Oregon, volunteer, Yeah, volunteer with Rural Organizing Project absolutely uh. 890 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: And if you're in Oregon in general, be more active. 891 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: There's some stuff going on, this stuff going on going on. 892 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: The only thing that will make it get better is 893 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: the people who aren't, i'll say charitably on the shitty 894 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: side of things, getting active or at least supporting the 895 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: people who are being active in the streets, because that's 896 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: really important too. So well, I'm working on a project 897 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: to help make that easier for people to have access 898 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 1: to what is needed in the area, and I'll send 899 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: that to you once I have something awesome. Well, you 900 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: got anything else you wanna you wanna pitch blood Man 901 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 1: search for Meeting, Right yeah, Victor Frankel read Man, Search 902 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: for Meeting Victor Frankel, Holocaust survivor, right yes. Check it 903 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: all out. You can check out this podcast on our 904 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: website behind the Bastards. You can check out all the sources, 905 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: and of course tomorrow we will be talking about Patriot Prayer, 906 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: Joey Gibson, and the most dangerous street gang in America 907 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: that you probably haven't heard of, Patriot Prayer, So all 908 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: of that coming up next in the week. Have fun 909 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: with it. Check it out and you can find us 910 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter at Bastard's pod and that's that's 911 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: that's all I got for you. Go go do something 912 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: positive for the world. Goodbye, And I love statistically about 913 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: of you.