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Speaker 1: You were listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: The last time I saw Allison Leerness, I had just

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Speaker 2: arrived in New York. It was November, right before the election.

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Speaker 2: Walking down Madison Avenue, I heard Ruthie, you're here. It

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Speaker 2: was Alison. She immediately whisked me into her best friend's

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Speaker 2: jewelry store, Sydney Garber, told me in detail about the

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Speaker 2: Peter Doig show at Cogozi and Gallery, and took me

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Speaker 2: for a coffee at our favorite sant Ambrose. Just like that,

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Speaker 2: I was swept immediately back into the best of New

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Speaker 2: York City. Alison and I have much in common. Were

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Speaker 2: two American women living abroad. We both adore the small

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Speaker 2: seaside towns of Liguria, and we share a favorite bookstore,

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Speaker 2: Haywood Hill and Mayfair. Alison grew up in Manhattan with

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Speaker 2: a mother who was a passionate cook, and she discovered

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Speaker 2: the joy of food and fashion early on, licking brownie

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Speaker 2: spoons next to her mom and elegantly accessorizing her school uniform.

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Speaker 2: She channeled this ambition into a dynamic career spanning Sachi

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Speaker 2: and Sauchi, Disney, LVMH and now Netta Porte. Today, Allison

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Speaker 2: and I are here at table four to talk about

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Speaker 2: food and fashion, leadership and womanhood, balancing work and family,

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Speaker 2: and of course we're going to plan our next trip

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Speaker 2: to New York City.

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Speaker 3: What could be better?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So here we are. It's so good to see. I

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Speaker 2: had to Swiss has been on the cards for a while.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't it your schedule? My schedule?

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm up and down, But here we are.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to let you go.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to leave.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm going Where have you been most recently? So?

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Speaker 3: I just got back.

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Speaker 4: From New York and prior to that, I was in Providence,

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Speaker 4: Rhode Island. Oh yes, visiting my alma mater with the

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Speaker 1: So with they had an open day. So we just

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Speaker 4: I felt just a really you know, the first time

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Speaker 3: How much time was it?

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Speaker 4: It had been probably ten years or so, not since

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Speaker 4: Because Providence is such an interesting place. There were lots

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Speaker 4: And there was one restaurant which you will know in particular,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was just basically thinking about early

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Speaker 1: It was just the one thing I remember here.

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Speaker 2: It is barbecue style with hunts tomato sauce, nineteen sixties. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Years ago made it and it's not anything actually want

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Speaker 3: My mother made me love. So it's of an era.

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Speaker 4: I remember, like some of my earliest memories of my

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Speaker 4: it all being hearing clinking glasses and thinking it was all.

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Speaker 3: Used to sitting on the steps of sitting in the.

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly coming and asking for like assaulted, not yes

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Speaker 4: I remember once, you know, if she did a big party,

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Speaker 2: You grew up with a mother who was a passionate

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Speaker 2: You know what my mom kept in her oven? And

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Speaker 1: I love the movies. I've always always loved the movies,

444
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Speaker 1: and to.

445
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Speaker 4: Me, the Oscars were like watching the Academy Awards on TV,

446
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 4: like it couldn't be more exciting. I mean, I felt

447
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 4: like every year I was up for an award, That's

448
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 4: how excited I got.

449
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Speaker 1: So we're in the nineties, we're in like mid early mid.

450
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Speaker 4: Nineties, and I would have friends over and I would

451
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Speaker 4: have these oscar parties and it was so.

452
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Speaker 1: Late, I guess it wouldn't be no, it was civilized.

453
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Speaker 4: It started at like, you know seven, I think, because

454
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Speaker 4: on the West Coast it's really early. And I remember

455
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Speaker 4: and I would go and I'd make I remember doing

456
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Speaker 4: like some chicken breast. My mom had this like dijon

457
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 4: chicken breast marinate thing. I remember doing that in making

458
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Speaker 4: a you know what I used to use a lot

459
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 4: was the Barefoot Contested cookbook, The Barefoot Contestia, and I

460
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 4: remember making the kind of couscouse like a couscous salad,

461
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Speaker 4: or making or Zo's or various p LOFs and things.

462
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Speaker 4: So I remember cooking at that moment in time. And

463
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Speaker 4: then when I really started cooking more actually is when

464
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Speaker 4: I moved to London. And I'll never forget I moved here.

465
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Speaker 4: It was during the May Bank holiday weekend of two

466
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 4: thousand and one, so just before nine to eleven, and

467
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Speaker 4: I was really excited about coming. I was coming for

468
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 4: a short stant for a job. I was allowed to

469
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 4: come and work out of our London office for six months.

470
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 4: Moved over and moved into this corporate flat, and I

471
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Speaker 4: realized that the weekend I was going to arrive was

472
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Speaker 4: a bank holiday, and that maybe people wouldn't be around,

473
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Speaker 4: so I might be all on my own. And I

474
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 4: remember thinking, gosh, I'm going to be so lonely here.

475
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Speaker 1: What am I going to do? And I thought I

476
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Speaker 1: did two things.

477
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Speaker 4: One I wrote a little notebook the name of everyone

478
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Speaker 4: I knew in London, just so I could remind myself

479
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Speaker 4: that I wasn't alone, even if they weren't in town.

480
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Speaker 1: And then the second thing is I'm just going to cook.

481
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Speaker 4: And I remember going to the grocery store and going

482
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Speaker 4: to Waitros, which was like a revelation because it was

483
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Speaker 4: so much nicer than any grocery store I'd ever seen

484
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Speaker 4: in New York. And of course when I moved here,

485
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Speaker 4: I don't think London was even you know, it was

486
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Speaker 4: not nearly where it is now in terms of its

487
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 4: reputation in terms of food, and I remember all these

488
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Speaker 4: Americans would be like, oh my god, you're not gonna

489
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Speaker 4: be able to eat anything. And by the way, they

490
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: don't refrigerate their eggs.

491
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Speaker 3: That was amaz have that.

492
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Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's going to be Okay,

493
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Speaker 1: I think.

494
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Speaker 3: It's in the supermarket. Yeah, that's right, they don't it,

495
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Speaker 3: doesn't you remember.

496
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you please, no, thank you please? Okay,

497
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Speaker 1: fathe don't thank you.

498
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Speaker 4: I've said this just so many people over the years,

499
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Speaker 4: the number of dinners I've been to by delicious, yummy,

500
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Speaker 4: cozy dinners at home seasoned hosts, and I would sit

501
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Speaker 4: there and I'd reach for the thing to.

502
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Speaker 1: Put on my and then when your napkin. Okay, so

503
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Speaker 1: I'm not a weirdo. Okay, that makes me feel so

504
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Speaker 1: much better.

505
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Speaker 3: Than the napkin thing was, like, yeah, shocking. I think

506
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Speaker 3: it's changed now.

507
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it seems too.

508
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Speaker 3: That's what I can't say. Even if I have, like

509
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Speaker 3: a piece of bread, I always have to have.

510
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Speaker 4: Of course, Yes, I mean even if I'm meeting someone

511
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Speaker 4: for a drink and there's a napkin on the table.

512
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Speaker 1: Napkin.

513
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Speaker 3: I love napkins. Yeah, and for hours about napkins.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

515
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Speaker 1: Has anyone ever ask you here for a black napkin?

516
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Speaker 3: Oh? No.

517
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Speaker 1: I discovered this in New York. It's such a New

518
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Speaker 1: York thing.

519
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Speaker 4: I was having dinner with a friend who's wearing black

520
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 4: and your napkins actually don't shed, but there's a number,

521
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 4: you know, some of those really lineny napkins you're wearing black.

522
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Speaker 4: And a friend of mine was called the waiter over

523
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Speaker 4: and said, may I please have a black napkin?

524
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Speaker 3: Oh wow?

525
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, what's the black nap gin? And

526
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: she goes, they have black napkins. They don't get on

527
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Speaker 4: your stuff.

528
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Speaker 2: A friend of mine worked at Soho House in New York.

529
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Speaker 2: One of our chefs went to open Soho House in LA.

530
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Speaker 2: They had square plates. I think it was fashionable at

531
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Speaker 2: the time. Eddie said there were clients who just would

532
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Speaker 2: only eat on a round plate, you know, so they go, you.

533
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Speaker 3: Can only have a black name plate, any Eddie.

534
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Speaker 1: I digress.

535
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Speaker 4: And you know it's funny because I love trying different

536
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Speaker 4: foods and different dishes.

537
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Speaker 1: But however, I'm very happy.

538
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Speaker 4: Once I like something, I'm happy to stick with it

539
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Speaker 4: for a long period of time. And my friends have

540
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: always made fun of me. I mean I would literally

541
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Speaker 4: remember in New York, this was this one place we

542
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: used to go and I used to order the same thing,

543
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: and I probably ordered the same thing for two years

544
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Speaker 4: and then I'm done.

545
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Speaker 3: So you know what the equivalent of that.

546
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Speaker 1: Is wearing the same clothes everything.

547
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Speaker 3: Maybe.

548
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Speaker 2: I mean there was a period when my husband was

549
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Speaker 2: very sick, and here there were all these things that

550
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: were going and I realized that that I could just

551
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Speaker 2: wear the same denim skirt every single day.

552
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Speaker 3: As a matter of.

553
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Speaker 2: Fact, the denim skirt was stolen not long ago in

554
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: my suitcase which they put out on the street, and

555
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: the person forgot to put it in the boot. So

556
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: the suitcase is still and I came back until Charles,

557
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: our manager, I said, you know, and then the suitcase

558
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: was still, and then my denim skirt was in it.

559
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: He said, well, every cloud has a silver life.

560
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Speaker 1: It was only one of the skirts, or did you

561
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Speaker 1: have a few?

562
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the choice.

563
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Speaker 2: What I realized is that you know, decision, decision, decision,

564
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Speaker 2: like you in a restaurant that somehow just knowing that

565
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Speaker 2: every day, O care, I just put on the denimsk

566
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: uniform though, and whatever it is, So maybe there is

567
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Speaker 2: you probably would never ever think about wearing the same

568
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: thing the way you chose the same Yeah, it was true,

569
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: so you could eat and I don't think i'd go

570
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Speaker 2: to a restaurant have the same So there's no fashion.

571
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's really a fashion food thing.

572
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Speaker 4: I mean I was thinking about it a lot in

573
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Speaker 4: the sort of run up to today and just in general.

574
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Speaker 4: And I mean, everyone has to eat, but there are

575
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 4: people that have very transactional relationships with food. You know,

576
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: they just look at the Ar'm just gonna eat, and

577
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's fuel similar to sort of clothes in

578
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: that you know, everyone has to get dressed, and you

579
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 4: can either just treat it as Okay, I need to

580
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: cover my body to go out, but for me in

581
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: the same way, it's such a source of creativity and joy.

582
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been asked a lot, you know,

583
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: why do you why do you love clothes? Why do

584
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: the fashion?

585
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: I always assumed it's because my mom was really into

586
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 4: fashion and I threw us most successa aw the joy

587
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: that it brought her. But I think also, you know,

588
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: I went to a school where we had a very

589
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Speaker 4: strict uniform.

590
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: Tell me about what was the school.

591
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: It was called Shape in in New York, and I

592
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: don't know it's prime less strict now, but we had

593
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, for lower school, you had to wear a

594
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: little either yellow seersucker or green tunic. And in the

595
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: winter months there was this like polyester version, and then

596
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: you were white blouse and you would to wear green

597
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: or yellow sox and brown hard shoes.

598
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: Later on you could wear it like boat shoes and things.

599
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: And then for the upper school you'd wear kilt and

600
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: you had to have a collar and specific colors. But

601
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: it was quite you know, it was strict. When we

602
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: would have a field day, a sports day, I would

603
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: lie in thinking like, oh my gosh, what am I

604
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: going to wear it? Not what am I going to

605
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: wear it to like wow, anyone, but just I get

606
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: to choose, I get to che I would drive my

607
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 4: mom insane. Do you think I could wear anyway? And

608
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: so I realized that to me, fashion is self expression.

609
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: It's freedom, and it's the same thing being able to choose,

610
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: you know, to have the privilege to choose what you eat,

611
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 4: where you eat it, putting things together, experimenting, and it's

612
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: choice and it's just having that, the freedom to choose.

613
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: And actually it's really funny. I was thinking, sorry, this

614
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: is a bit of attention, but about choice, and I

615
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: was we used to do. There was this candy store

616
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: out in Watermill called the Penny Candy Store that was

617
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: around for years. It was like the equivalent of like

618
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: a little news agent here that sold candy. And when

619
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: we would have this tradition with my dad where he

620
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: would take us to the penny candy store and we

621
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: each would have I remember at first was a dollar

622
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: and then it was two dollars and you could choose

623
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Speaker 4: what you wanted, and the people in the store were

624
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: super strict, so literally like if you went over by

625
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 4: a cent, you had to put something back. But I

626
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: remember there was this thing around I don't know what

627
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: made me think of this just now, but there's this

628
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 4: thing around choice. And I always knew exactly what I

629
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: wanted from that penny candy thing, and might go to

630
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: my sister and she would take like an hour, and

631
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: the question was do you want one big thing? Do

632
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: you want lots of little things? And how do you

633
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 4: sort of like your grandmother that can I have two lunch? Like,

634
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: how do I get the most out of this.

635
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: Little The thing is that it's also about I certainly

636
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: think about it and food, and I know you think

637
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: about it and clothes. The other issues, the issues of

638
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: food poverty, of the fact that there are people who

639
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: don't have a choice because there are no well, first

640
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: of all, we know that in the Bronx where you

641
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: and I know very well that there are no vegetable

642
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: shops and if you want to buy a carrot, there

643
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: aren't any. And then people who can't afford to give

644
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: their children a home cooked meal because they're working at

645
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: Amazon and they have to be there for the night shift.

646
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: Or maybe there's a mother who'd rather do homework with

647
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: her kid than cook for kids, so they order out

648
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: or they go to you know, fast food places, or

649
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: and we know that there are no choices, as we

650
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: know also with fashion, and you know what we can

651
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: wear and what we can afford to wear, and what

652
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: people can express their identity. And there's vintage clothes and

653
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: there's used clothes, and there's difficult times for that. But

654
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: I know it's a concern of yours very much. So

655
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that'd be interesting to discuss.

656
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've always felt, or we've always felt

657
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: such a huge responsibility to give back from a business

658
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: respective to give back to the communities that we serve

659
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: so really great you know. Example is for nott A Porte,

660
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: we have these vans where we do a same day

661
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: delivery in certain cities around the world, and the dream

662
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: was always Okay, we're delivering beautiful clothes to discerning, wonderful customers.

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Speaker 4: But then the vans come back empty, right, and could

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Speaker 4: there be a way that we could use those vans

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Speaker 4: for the greater good?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: So we've done all kinds of things. So, for example,

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Speaker 4: we worked with a Good Plass Foundation in New York

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Speaker 4: where we were collecting from customers lightly used or unused

670
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Speaker 4: children's clothing, toys, you know, accessories the parents might need.

671
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Speaker 4: Call it a baby carrier or things like that. So

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Speaker 4: when you get your delivery from the van, and then

673
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Speaker 4: you might say, well, guess what, my kid has just

674
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Speaker 4: outgrown their toddler bed or what have you. And then

675
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: we would collect that in our vans and then bring

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Speaker 4: it back to bring it back to the charity, which

677
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: really was great. And during COVID, you know, we were

678
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: able to use, you know, the deepest, darkest moments of

679
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: lockdown to use some of our vehicles for food delivery,

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Speaker 4: things that nature.

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Speaker 1: I think with clothes, and I.

682
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Speaker 4: Think the awareness is so much greater now, and I

683
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: see this wonderfully in my kids and their generation, this

684
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: notion of clothing not just having a second life, but

685
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Speaker 4: a third life. And so on the one hand, there's

686
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: an industry around that. Okay, you can rent things, you

687
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: can buy things secondhand. If you want something designer, you

688
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: can't afford it, okay, great, and it democratizes fashion. But

689
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Speaker 4: I think the other thing that's that's wonderful is you know,

690
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Speaker 4: there's so much it's not wonderful that there's so much access,

691
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Speaker 4: but the access can be put to good use. You know,

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Speaker 4: these wonderful organizations like Dress for Success which work with women,

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Speaker 4: right and.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's fabulous.

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Speaker 3: So tell us about well, we've worked.

696
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Speaker 4: With them in the past where you know, they're bringing

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Speaker 4: women back into the workforce and so they're women who

698
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: have either come out of very hard domestic situations, women

699
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Speaker 4: who've come out of prison, and they come and they're

700
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Speaker 4: doing these interviews and they're trying to get back into

701
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Speaker 4: sciding and they don't have anything to wear. They don't

702
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Speaker 4: have a pair of shoes that are decent, they have

703
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Speaker 4: an old pair of sneakers, and so it's Dressed for Success.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, they have these outposts where essentially you

705
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: could go in, you're given interview training, but also how

706
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Speaker 4: do you show up what's the appropriate thing to wear,

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Speaker 4: and then there's a wardrobe that you can choose from

708
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Speaker 4: and it really sets you up. And so I think

709
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Speaker 4: there's so many ways that one can get involved. And

710
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Speaker 4: you know, in London there's so many friends who are

711
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: doing great car boot sales and things in this nature,

712
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Speaker 4: just as a way, you know, because if you're in

713
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Speaker 4: a private position where you have not only enough, but

714
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Speaker 4: you've got too much, what can you do with it

715
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Speaker 4: to help someone else or to sort of help, you know,

716
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: even in a small way, try and tackle these gargantuan problems.

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Speaker 3: And tell me more about Netaporte. When did you start working?

718
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: So I started almost well eighteen years ago and we

719
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Speaker 4: were it wasn't gosh, it wasn't a start at.

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Speaker 3: Start, did it. It's going to be twenty five seven

721
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Speaker 3: years into seven.

722
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Speaker 4: Years in a remarkable business, a remarkable founder, a remarkable team.

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Speaker 1: And I remember, I mean I had been there.

724
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Speaker 4: But was a newsletter that was that had launched in

725
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: the nineties called Daily Candy.

726
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this.

727
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: Of this, and I remember, and it was all things

728
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: sort of what's going on in fashion and what's going

729
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: on with the restaurants, go in the culture. And I

730
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: remember seeing I was in New York and seeing this

731
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: email saying there's this website that's going to be selling fashion,

732
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Speaker 4: and I remember signing up immediately thinking, God, what could

733
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Speaker 4: be better? I always loved fashion. This idea could you

734
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Speaker 4: get stuff delivered? I remember the very first thing that

735
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Speaker 4: I bought, which I still have, which is this Chloe

736
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Speaker 4: satin dropwat dress.

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Speaker 1: I haven't worn it probably for a long time, but

738
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Speaker 1: it still sits there. It's this wonderful memento. And you know,

739
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Speaker 1: the mission was really to make.

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Speaker 4: This fashion consumer's life easier and to also inspire her.

741
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Speaker 4: And so what we've seen firsthand and where I feel

742
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: so privileged is not just to work with super teams

743
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: and really amazing individuals, but really just to see the

744
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Speaker 4: joy that fashion can bring. Again, you're not solving the

745
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: world's problems, but it really can put a spring in

746
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Speaker 4: your step. Just like you see here every second of

747
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: the day, people sit down and whatever troubles they had

748
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: or whatever they've got going on, they take a bite

749
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Speaker 4: and you see the shoulders come down and this spark

750
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Speaker 4: in their eyes and it's.

751
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: That celebratory, isn't it.

752
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you started working there, and then what

753
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: was a trajectory for being.

754
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Speaker 1: So I stayed? So I started.

755
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Speaker 4: So I started working there running sales and marketing, and

756
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: then I started running Netta Protein in its entirety. We

757
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Speaker 4: then launched a number of other businesses, is the Outnet,

758
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Speaker 4: which is a discount business, Mister Porter, which was a

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Speaker 4: men's business, and over the eighteen years was involved in

760
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Speaker 4: those launches with great teams. And then I started running

761
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Speaker 4: Netaportein and mister Porter. And then I ran Netaportein, Mister

762
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Speaker 4: Porter and the Outnet, and then we merged with an

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Speaker 4: Italian business called Yuks, and then I ran all four.

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Speaker 3: Stores how many people? And then well, you.

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Speaker 4: Well, when I joined, we were probably about one hundred,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty people, and today we're twenty five

767
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: hundred and change. And there's been different ownership and everything

768
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Speaker 4: along the way. So I feel like I've worn lots

769
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Speaker 4: of different hats under the same.

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Speaker 2: What does it feel like to be a woman who

771
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Speaker 2: is in this position? Is it something that you are

772
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Speaker 2: thinking about other women? Are you thinking about your own kids?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Is it thinking about the future now, what we've achieved,

775
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Speaker 2: what we have to do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, especially in this.

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Speaker 2: World right now that we're here, where there seems to

778
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Speaker 2: be so much back going on rather than yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's I think I had a couple

780
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Speaker 4: of great role models.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: My mom, as I said, was you know, a work

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Speaker 4: She's not just a working woman. But I think she

784
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Speaker 4: really taught me indirectly that being a mom and being

785
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Speaker 4: a working woman and having a successful career are not

786
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Speaker 4: mutually exclusive. I also had at my school in New York,

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Speaker 4: this phenomenal headmistress named Mildred Berenson who would stand at

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Speaker 4: a podium.

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Speaker 1: She was amazing.

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Speaker 4: She would stand at a podium our little lectern when

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Speaker 4: we had our assemblies, and she was always immaculately dressed,

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Speaker 4: and she wore these little pumps.

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Speaker 1: I think they must have.

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Speaker 4: Been those Ferragama pumps with the bows. And she had

795
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Speaker 4: this habit of just sort of clicking her heels together,

796
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Speaker 4: and I remember she would be sort of immaculate, clicking

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Speaker 4: her Pharamagama pumps. And she'd say because it was a

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Speaker 4: girls school I went to, and she'd say, girls can

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Speaker 4: do anything. One day a woman will be president. And

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Speaker 4: as a kid, I mean I barely was paying attention

801
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Speaker 4: I'm sure just I thought it was washing over me.

802
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: But it was interesting because when I eventually went to

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Speaker 4: a co ed school, I never for a second thought

804
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Speaker 4: I would lesser of anything by being a girl.

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Speaker 1: So I think it did kind of sink in.

806
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Speaker 4: And then as I, you know, started a career and

807
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 4: advanced in a career, the question that I gat from

808
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: younger women all the time is, you know, how do

809
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Speaker 4: you how do you not even like, how do you

810
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Speaker 4: do it? Because you're so great, but how do you

811
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Speaker 4: do all these things?

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Speaker 1: How can you do all these things?

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Speaker 4: And I remember reading something and one of the supplements

814
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Speaker 4: here and I can't remember it might have been Nigella

815
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: Lawson who said it, which was around just it was

816
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 4: something around prioritization, and I think that piece had said,

817
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, you can have an active social life, you

818
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 4: can have out, you can have all these things. You

819
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Speaker 4: can't necessarily have them all on full volume at the

820
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Speaker 4: same time. But what I took away was this priority piece,

821
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Speaker 4: and the thing that I believe in so strongly is

822
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Speaker 4: just you need to know what.

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Speaker 1: Your priorities are.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to justify them to anybody, but know

825
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Speaker 4: what they are, and then your answer will always sit

826
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Speaker 4: comfortably with you, you know. So for me, I always

827
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Speaker 4: knew it with my family. For someone else it might

828
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Speaker 4: be their career. That's that's their choice. But then you know, okay,

829
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Speaker 4: it's this thing and it's that thing, and so you

830
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 4: have to okay, sometimes you have no choice, right but

831
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Speaker 4: in the instances where you can make it. And I

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: think the other piece of advice I would always give

833
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Speaker 4: is just set your stall out early on. If you're

834
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Speaker 4: meaning you're starting a job. Let's say I'm coming to

835
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: work for you and I've just had a lucky me.

836
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Speaker 4: If I were and I'm kind of work for you

837
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Speaker 4: and i've just had a baby, yeah, and I have

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Speaker 4: there are only certain hours I can do instead of

839
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Speaker 4: or I need to make sure i'm out of you.

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00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: In a Restaurant's probably not the best example, but I'm running,

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00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: I'm running the shop, and these are Instead of being

842
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: embarrassed about it, instead of looking at my watch and

843
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: stressing out, I would say to you, hey, Ruthy, I'd

844
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: really love to come and you know, work with you,

845
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: but every day I need to make sure that my

846
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: bag is packed at six pm because I have a chut.

847
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Speaker 1: And then you can choose whether you hire me or not.

848
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Speaker 4: But just lay it out, just lay out the ways

849
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Speaker 4: in which you work and sort of what works.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, and just being upfront about it.

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00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that also is the responsibility of all of

853
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Speaker 2: us who hire people. When I did my first book,

854
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: cal Reebuck was head of Random House, and she would

855
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Speaker 2: not let a meeting be scheduled after five o'clock. There

856
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Speaker 2: are just no meetings that you could have where women.

857
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Speaker 2: I was thinking about her kids being picked up from school.

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: You know, men could stumble home like seven and was late.

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00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: At the office, and so there was a whole initiative.

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Speaker 2: But I think for us, for me, I think about

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Speaker 2: the people who have no choice, you know, the people

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Speaker 2: who are packing shelves, yeah, supermarkets, are taxi tab driver

863
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: or working. You know that the responsibility is on us

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Speaker 2: to provide workspaces that for the person who's washing the

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Speaker 2: dishes or coming in one day a week.

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Speaker 3: How we do that?

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Speaker 2: And I think women helping women, women I'm directing, is

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Speaker 2: so crucial.

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Speaker 1: You know, women in leadership too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, luckily were far more evolved than we were

871
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: as a society years and years ago. But still, you know,

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Speaker 4: I look at my industry and way less than a third.

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Speaker 4: Leadership roles are held by women. You always in fashion,

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Speaker 4: there's lots of women working in fashion. When you look

875
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: at leadership, it's same thing. Architecture schools are full. I

876
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: think it's something like sixty percent women forty percent men.

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 4: And then partnerships. You know, the boards are really low.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of work to do. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, do we think that we will have a

880
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: woman president?

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will.

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Speaker 4: It's been drilled into me from parents and rest in

883
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Speaker 4: Peace knew what she was talking about.

884
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Speaker 2: Imagine a state bottled olive oil chosen and bottled for

885
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Speaker 2: the River Cafe, arriving at your door every month. Our

886
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Speaker 2: subscription is available for six or twelve months, with each

887
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Speaker 2: oil chosen personally by our head chefs and varying with

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Speaker 2: each delivery. It's a perfect way to bring some River

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Speaker 2: Cafe flavor into your home or to show someone you

890
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Speaker 2: really care for them with the gift. At our website

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Speaker 2: shop the River Cafe dot.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: So you chose the recipeta, which is really a great thing,

895
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: So tell me why you chose it. All the recipes

896
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Speaker 2: and all the River Cafe so you chose the bandicada.

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's very hard to choose. I think

898
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: in the case of Banicouda one, I'm a savory person.

899
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: I love Anthoon's and it's got a real umamminus to it.

900
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: I feel like the bandicotta sauce. Interestingly, we've never had

901
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: it in Italy. We've only ever had it either here

902
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 4: or at home.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the north north of Italy, Yes,

904
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: because that's where it comes from, like the mountainous region

905
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Speaker 2: of Piedmonte.

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Speaker 4: And it's so you know, it's been a tradition in

907
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Speaker 4: our house for years where we always used to have it.

908
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Speaker 4: My husband's a phenomenal cook, and we always used to

909
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Speaker 4: have it on New Year's Day and it'll be one

910
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: of those things where you'd kind of wake up a

911
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: little bit tired. Yeah, yeah, and it was just it

912
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Speaker 4: sort of hit all the spots that you needed it too.

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Speaker 4: So we would always have binding count and that was

914
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Speaker 4: our thing. And so we do it with cooked vegetables

915
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Speaker 4: and you know, winter months, but we also do it

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Speaker 4: with fresh crud de tay.

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Speaker 1: In the summer time. I'll say, you dip it and

918
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Speaker 1: use it as a dip as opposed to a dressing.

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Speaker 1: I mean I could drink it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it too.

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Speaker 2: I love the as you say, the saltiness, and then

922
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Speaker 2: as you say, the seasonality of it in the winter.

923
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Speaker 2: Will the recipe that you have we kind of. I

924
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Speaker 2: think it had carrots, it had charred, and it had

925
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Speaker 2: fennel and had something else, a nauto choke. It's really

926
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Speaker 2: nice with a nauto choke because visually to see a

927
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Speaker 2: whole auto choke.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so batya kouto with prosecco, serve six people. You

929
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Speaker 4: will need seven hundred and sixty mili of prosecco, three

930
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 4: garlic cloves peeled, three hundred grams of Swiss chart two

931
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Speaker 4: fennel bulbs cut into six wedges, three celery hearts quartered,

932
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Speaker 4: twelve salted anchovies cleaned and filled it, two hundred and

933
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Speaker 4: fifty grams of unsalted butter, and fifty.

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Speaker 1: Mil of olive oil. Yum.

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Speaker 4: You put the prosecco into a saucepan, add the garlic

936
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Speaker 4: and boil it until the prosecco has reduced and the

937
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: garlic is soft. Remove from the heat, blanch the Swiss charred,

938
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Speaker 4: remove and then boil fennel and celery until soft.

939
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Drain.

940
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Speaker 4: Return the saucepan with the reduced prosecco and soften garlic

941
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: to the heat and add the anchovy filets. Allow them

942
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: to melt into the mixture. Gently whisk in the soften butter.

943
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Speaker 4: Remove the pan from the heat. After the first edition

944
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Speaker 4: of butter. When all the butter has been incorporated, add

945
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Speaker 4: the olive oil and black pepper. Arrange the warm vegetables

946
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Speaker 4: on a serving plate, pour over the sauce, and serve immediately.

947
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Speaker 2: Yum, yeah, you're you're just saying that Al's a really

948
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Speaker 2: good cook.

949
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Speaker 1: Owl's a very good cook.

950
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Speaker 3: Tell me about his cookbait.

951
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: So he is the second of three boys, and growing

952
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Speaker 4: they spent a lot of time in Wales, and my

953
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 4: father in law was a way a lot for work,

954
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Speaker 4: and so my mother in law very wise, they thought,

955
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Speaker 4: oh wait, I'm spending this time in Wales. I'm at

956
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Speaker 4: the top of this hill. The weather's horrendous, and I've

957
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Speaker 4: got these three boys. I'm going to teach them to

958
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Speaker 4: cook or I'm going to become a short order Cook's

959
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 4: lo and behold you these three men who became great cooks.

960
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Speaker 4: And my husband trained actually as a chef, so he

961
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Speaker 4: always worked in restaurants and things during his gap year

962
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: and right after I think it was just finishing university.

963
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: You know, he was trained by the Rue Brothers, and

964
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Speaker 4: he has this just incredible I think curiosity, but also.

965
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Speaker 1: Imagination and creativity.

966
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Speaker 4: I mean he can open a cupboard and see all

967
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: these desperate ingredients and see a dish and I I

968
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: always laugh because to me, I just see desperate ingredients.

969
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: So I think my fashion corollary is I can up

970
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: up a closet and I can see lots of different

971
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Speaker 4: ways of wearing things.

972
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: But I do not have his skills in the kitchen.

973
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's been touching from a great conversation,

974
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: is that how many of your memories, whether it's going

975
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: to brown, whether it's meeting your father and Friday afternoons,

976
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: whether it was your mother's cooking or her work, or

977
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: coming to London and making a notebook of friends to call,

978
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: which I shared as well, or right now trying to

979
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, deciding what to eat with your husband is

980
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: about food and memories and memories and food and how

981
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: if food is alleviating hunger, and food is sharing, food

982
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: is entertaining, food is creating a framework for your children

983
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: of adventure.

984
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: It's also comfort.

985
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do need comfort, if you feel like

986
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: something that will just give you comfort.

987
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: Is there something that you would go to? Chicken service, chicken.

988
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Chickens your pants down.

989
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: Just from a really young age, soup was always the

990
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: thing that I was given to make you feel better.

991
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: But unlike things, let's say, like ginger ale, which you

992
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: were given when you felt sick, and anytime I even

993
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 4: smell it now I feel sick because of sensation, chicken

994
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: soup was one of those things where immediately you would

995
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: feel better. And I remember my grandmother, my maternal grandmother,

996
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 4: who was not a sensational cook, made a great chicken soup,

997
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: lots of dill. She had matza balls in them that

998
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 4: my father described as hockey pucks. But I loved them,

999
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: and it.

1000
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Was always my thing.

1001
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 4: And there was this place in New York that closed

1002
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: down years ago, but when I was having take out

1003
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 4: all the time called the International Poultry Company, and I

1004
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: remember ordering like quarts of mats of ball soup. And

1005
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: so that's always been my thing, and I go to

1006
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: and I remember I wasn't married to my husband yet

1007
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: I think we weren't even engaged.

1008
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: And I had come back from China and I got

1009
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I was.

1010
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: Incredibly sick, like six six sick, and I wasn't able

1011
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 4: to eat anything for about ten days.

1012
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: And my mother in law, who's phenomenal, came over with this.

1013
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: Pot of chicken soup, and I just remember it was

1014
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: the first thing that I could eat, and it was

1015
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: like it was like putting water on a wilting flower.

1016
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: And so always to me, it's chicken soup. And I've

1017
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: you know, idealing my husband's chicken soup. There's a place

1018
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Speaker 4: in New York called Butterfield Market, these two sort of

1019
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: food stores on that bree side, and they do a

1020
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: great chicken soup. So when I'm in New York, I mean,

1021
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 4: it could be a thousand degrees outside and I'm eating

1022
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 4: chicken soup.

1023
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll have that.

1024
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you for having me. Thank you, Yes,

1025
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: stay forever. What are we going to do when we

1026
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: go to New York together? We're gonna go where We're

1027
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: gonna go.

1028
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: Back to that brookstore, Sanding Garbor. We're gonna go to eat.

1029
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 4: We'll have a two inch sandwich and from the met Okay,

1030
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: come on Let's do It.

1031
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Thank

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Speaker 4: You for listening to Ruthie's Table for in partnership with

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